From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b503d6f100; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39F9138000054; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0n-0006JE-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0n-0006J5-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVj0m-0004eb-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W33 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:02:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:30 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 10:02:30.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[D97D8ED0:01CA95C9] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b503d6e2f9d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole this evening and night.= I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz. It would be very inte= resting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad, LFR1000) and two ho= me made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109, the other with 4 tubes)= . I will try them! Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH.=20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Lubos, Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and wo= uld be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but ha= ve already reached 990kms. 73s Roger =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole thi= s evening and night. I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz.= It would be very interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad= , LFR1000) and two  home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N51= 09, the other with 4 tubes). I will try them!
Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km= away from my QTH.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000
From: rogerlapt= horn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: WSP= R_500

Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz= WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am,= of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

= 73s
Roger



Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-a21d4b561830163; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CEF8F380002A4; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKoI-00032v-MI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKoI-00032m-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKoF-0005Gi-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2749066pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dJYnuwkYObCrPUmId781Kwo7TAE0W+zLTRxruF34UJc=; b=TkBzMwI/KKTWj5d+HYyYAqBqLFRqOAtp6KhKNMqGEu3xKTNVvFjAczB2emDRjo8H2M nXrBiNPTIB8HbdpBBTDIJcUWS3Rc+6xhC46/+Bn/urIdfkS+9r7cyULcYP5r+Xd2vusm vejvOnQhlACiaxGyqtK7O2uOb4exlriMWH8+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oPjICpOHRMvFjfyP8JdsW+Bqr0kC10Yzg9kV9Xhpx6VEsqr75YHdhkCAU+pHnVDR/q KFQNo9ZaSEO3hIaA0E5Kti8RYK46ejpNIp+NVf70ADjt+k9H+2DwidnrettWkCHTUbt+ dqpFwm3qOO6AvlMJI9KeR/G3E3xB9e2BRIQsY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.13.11 with SMTP id q11mr1597573rvi.2.1263933372491; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:12 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f18b224a40f7b534 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b5618083e60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ko, Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >> >> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >> >> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >> >> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & >> I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >> >> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >> >> >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > Hi Gary > Just received: > > 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 > 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke > > > > --000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ko,

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one= point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx= text box (Tx1) I have used as there is more than you have decoded. I will= try placing the same text into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or= all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl= >
Gary -= G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on= LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi Gary
Just received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -451 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke




--000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.221]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b4baa06258; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:45:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 26906380000EB; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSzr-0006VT-2V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:44:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSzq-0006VK-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:44:26 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUSzo-0004pb-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:44:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 85313 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2010 22:44:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0c5Ib93c3sFcQhXpJp3+969MVEGcAs5+dgxoBsPc51ww9CzkJE9a1gtZ6g4tVdkkPlAu6cBkO7IHsLi6N/7j4/WDB3BdGLwFFV/FP71gkZaMCnv4vi10HodSSMYCl9n735zsfYwfHtUrcWhM7Mac3ErUnf8YH8fP2oekrgXuySM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 22:44:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: Gy46v0EVM1k1nGqPBUvZ9TB.EE7z5ZooI_Wiqry7v2z9Fbuu5QgMuGeQYGvxrt7jHQHVLHwGIBElz96SfjnRzSBJnyT3TjWO9B2h4bDwPKjXQu1EcyM.0gZYjLMD6rk6MmqpnVA5mOw49su54_iJuv7uHDwuJ5eg60louMxiebQTRwfnuiDHvyXwU6yCovfCYILa0.goAt4F7aF3iTRsyrNt5E7ye11zb54IR8K01q6xL3q6hxvDhJyzkQa573GHq1xvbeORxl71krY3gg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <5CFBFABB20E64C229ED9741C5FDED135@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:44:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: VX9MRC tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dd4b4baa056bca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Well, Gus' SSB beacon is getting up to about S5 here at times, but I can also hear (at 2238utc) VX9MRC on about 507.77kHz peaking up to about RST549, with the usual deep QSB. I think this is the first time I have heard a readable transatlantic CW signal on 500k. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.152]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-a97b4b4b3379310; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:19:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7F7FD38000183; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL6P-00020J-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL6P-000209-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUL6M-0006Su-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAF/CSktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbACNVQbJFoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288569485" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:18:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40984b4b33772370 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6= K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most nights= when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6BH= Z and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I had= first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes rec= eiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either pos= t your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details of= your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I mis= sed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather= good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26= ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite starting= about 2100z I=20 will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u= and Bob=20 most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.=
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last= night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal la= st night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions=20 must have been very good last night as I had first time reception=20 of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations mo= re often=20  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitation= s due to=20 strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your cw= signal on any=20 night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already= mentioned=20 it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/= 2
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 A= lbert=20
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last ni= ght

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the= night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, us= ing my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW.= Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my know= ledge just=20 enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and a normal= bandwidth=20 suited for this mode. Reports received from the following US-stati= ons: W1VD,=20 WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01= -11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best o= f both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.92]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5ee24b53380f333; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:17:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3431A38000090; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXn3-0006jW-7m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:15:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXn2-0006jN-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:15:48 +0000 Received: from f134.mail.ru ([217.69.128.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWXn0-0007cs-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:15:48 +0000 Received: from mail by f134.mail.ru with local id 1NWXms-0004i8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:38 +0300 Received: from [80.234.22.101] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:38 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=F3=C5=D2=C7=C5=CA_=E8=CF=C8=CC=CF=D7?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [80.234.22.101] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:38 +0300 X-Mru-Data: 3226:1:1:106:106:0 Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405c4b53380e75d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EE=CF=D7=D9=C5 =EB=C1=D2=D4=D9@Mail.Ru =D3 =D0=D2=CF=C2=CB=C1=CD=C9 =C9= =D3=D0=D5=D4=CE=C9=CB=C1=CD=C9!=20 http://r.mail.ru/cln4831/map.mail.ru/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-a6fc4b424bb21d8; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:12:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CAFE338000119; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRtHD-0001cx-3H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:11:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRtHC-0001co-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:11:42 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRtHA-0004ja-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:11:42 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o04KBPjl031911 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:11:25 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cad.6046bc76 (34952) for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229114101.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.114.101]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA061-88884b424b692fb; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <76CBD5EABC614F83846BA8DB4BB0076F@IBM7FFA209F07C> <4B217277543543E5ADE6606204D1CDBB@IBM7FFA209F07C> In-Reply-To: <4B217277543543E5ADE6606204D1CDBB@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:11:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b424bb075c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing most nights around this QRG. 73= de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: Who? Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing&= nbsp;most=20 nights around this QRG. 73 de Markus (DF6NM)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 9:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Who?
=
Station is still sending WX, anybod= y know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS= 60,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-86a04b649e8636c; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE7DD38000178; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKRp-0004Om-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKRp-0004Od-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbKRm-0003Nq-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UL1ams007643 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:01:36 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:01:37 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:27 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Optic cable distributor Thread-Index: Acqh7qQ+QMVvRH5xRT6PNBNLIYarZgAADA6M References: <644F25ED85C94A3D8E4CEC80685E0D52@TraceyPC> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <7EE06E4C47284C5D801D13F46AB1DCE1@TraceyPC> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.204821 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723" Subject: LF: WG: Optic cable distributor X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b649e8429b1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,=20 Tracey found the mail i meant, mni tnx. So, agn the infos abt cable and so on, below.... (It is one possibility,= other cables may do it as well...) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gardner@talktalk.net] Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:56 An: Stefan Sch=E4fer Betreff: Re: Optic cable distributor No I'll let you do it as it was your message :-) =20 73s Tracey =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: Tracey Gardner =20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: AW: Optic cable distributor Yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Do you want to forward it to the reflec= tor? Others asked for the cable as well... =20 73, Stefan =20 TNX!! ________________________________ Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gardner@talktalk.net] Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:23 An: Stefan Sch=E4fer Betreff: Fw: Optic cable distributor =20 =20 Hello Stefan =20 Is this the message that you were looking for? =20 73s Tracey =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor Dear LF Group,=20 Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributo= r. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked,= if just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cabl= e there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he ev= en would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle).= One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or Fren= ch language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address= dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the su= ccess. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX si= gnals ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable= would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,
Tracey found the mail i meant,= mni tnx.
So, agn the infos abt cable and= so on, below.... (It is one possibility, other cables may do it as well..= .)
 
Stefan/DK7FC

Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gar= dner@talktalk.net]
Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:56
An:= Stefan Sch=E4fer
Betreff: Re: Optic cable distributor

No I'll let you do it as it was your message :-)
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
To: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:= 47 PM
Subject: AW: Optic cable distributo= r

Yes it is!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Do you want to forward it to the reflector? Others asked= for the cable as well...
 
73, Stefan
 
TNX!!

Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gar= dner@talktalk.net]
Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:23
An:= Stefan Sch=E4fer
Betreff: Fw: Optic cable distributor

Hello Stefan
 
Is this the message that you were looking for?
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statemen= ts and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about= the cable.

The type of cable I use= is CWKF-1001E2= 2 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone= contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial custome= rs or also private customers can order the cable there. He told me, that= even private customers can order there and he even would sell short lengt= hs of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7= Euro. It is possible to order in English or French language but not in Ch= inese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries= the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me= very much.

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC=

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst= St=F6cker
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic= transmission of RX signals

...

What type of cable do yo= u suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV= and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

_____________________________________= ______________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f= =FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

http://produkte.web.de/go/02/<= /FONT>

 

 

<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.204]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5ee24b5ca4d376; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:51:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C74E3800015F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8U0-0000Qc-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8U0-0000QT-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8Ty-0001to-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5A871C00085 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9814A1C00087 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4C1A11C00085 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124195044311.4C1A11C00085@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b5ca4d2699a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fs= net.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.76]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b45053c264; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:48:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D3FF38000085; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdj1-000080-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdj1-00007r-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdiz-0002Cx-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F065151C004 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5883F3862 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 40C9C18056; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from 159.20-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (159.20-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.20.159]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 Message-ID: <20100106224719.xa5jukecq8swskwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.20.159 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b4505391eea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Here it is 559 with remarkable little qsb. Sounds almost like local. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Albert : > Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, > > Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the > north east. > > 73, Albert PA0A > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF054-8bec4b521088307; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBDEA38000077; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWE6i-0003tD-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWE6i-0003t4-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWE6g-0003if-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 13F7B1C00085 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0657D1C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.2.4]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A5A201C00085 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100116191438678.A5A201C00085@mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon ....... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b52108637ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not quite enough luck .......close though G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should be) With a bit of luck GB4FPR live CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon .....= ... no email access at the station ,=20 Tnx G .. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not  quite enough luck .......cl= ose=20 though
 
 
G ..
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:24 PM
Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should=20 be)

With a  bit of  luck GB4FPR=  =20 live  CW  502.0  Saturday afternoon ........
no email access at  the  st= ation ,=20
 
Tnx G ..
 
 
 




------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b48d9bb354; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:32:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4AE1380000BE; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTh1Q-0000H5-9W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTh1P-0000Gw-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTh1M-0000iS-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13165834bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:30:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=04qVxtROzaEaJUzBHZAPqvDWM5x+/WKhYdOd3DncbBg=; b=VANPVcQfJt8kbZfZOvwW5IVMAYlIjnDZ0K5J7/W0Aqj6QttQShUUMl1XQyH8ve1KFu WfbUZ4rcMoRDVIpUsTwEbuzqHgwP00CpZpZKGIgDrC7lV+gvzrWe1NAdLq23bXAxa2BE vboaVJ4XzvFnvD9BC+mCQjEsZKzabKiHRV0JY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DiPIASK3g3wlS5fIJ+VWmaRmH4FYiZ2tdkCDNpks/YpgTkvx3FnNhPaFWjFsOVvkdl 4IwrWhh2KJMSFh8eZI7habtKOD7YoFsa1BKgB2M6KZuXWnx/WVmzvydWNFPDcTPNKwab 4zEBivC0tJ2oGSQmji5lj0hV3CQktoV0+hLe8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.133 with SMTP id f5mr2461655bkb.157.1263065441399; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:30:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001091130o585af64bk54bb7fcb65217a64@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b48d9b958eb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bravo Gary! Mal, I respect you as an excellent LF CW operator, but you do talk such *utter tripe* sometimes! 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/9 Gary - G4WGT > Mal, > > Perhaps we don't wish to. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/9 mal hamilton > > Dead End mode >> The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are >> strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. >> G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* KKorn42@aol.com >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: WSPR LA3? >> >> OK, Lee, >> 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! >> >> It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. >> >> Or are we lured into a dead end ..... >> >> 73 >> de >> Klaus >> dj6lb >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo Gary!

Mal, I respect you as an excellent LF CW operator, but= you do talk such utter tripe sometimes!

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Mal,

Perhaps we don't wish to.

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/9 mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>

Dead End mode
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW= =20 MODE.
G3KEV
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<= div>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KKorn42@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
=A0
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
=A0
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
=A0
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb




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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
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boundary="Boundary_(ID_luGBo1jhRVupW78vULALEQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_luGBo1jhRVupW78vULALEQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ScstwkSGZod92H/jc0ORTQ)" --Boundary_(ID_ScstwkSGZod92H/jc0ORTQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Andrey,LF,nice capture AGC Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AGC 24-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Andrey,LF,nice capture AGC
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines > showing, > only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either > > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ > > If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and > 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr frequency > to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > > > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier > > 503.4 K/cs > > de mal/g3kev > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Moritz" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > > > >> Dear Mal, LF Group, > >> > >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > >> > >> Cheers, Jim Moritz > >> 73 de M0BMU > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com 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14:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:19:05 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2010 22:19:05.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA6AEEA0:01CA96F9] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_" Subject: LF: WSPR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2202 -16 -0.5 0.503914 0 G4WGT IO83 30 2204 -7 -0.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 2206 5 1.8 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!

2200 -23  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
2202 -16 -0.5   0.503914  0 G4WGT IO83 30
2204&n= bsp; -7 -0.4   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
2206 &nbs= p; 5  1.8   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

Lubos, OK2= BVG

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDt= a=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.141]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-85fc4b40fa6b1af; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:13:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5883838021E2C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWiX-0005OL-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWiX-0005OC-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWiV-0001yk-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 99103 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 20:06:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=N1lZRLk1PSEELtR7q49PdTmWcKUVxO5EMBSZD+tcu0esQl6FRJ09eas4b55o9QIcjpVyv0qVUgX7qR4bWdpcgVZ4K/4sUU0Ju7ks6V4l7C6hMZo4irk6U6iq5W91MN6w3SyyUlZwcvBvgBYYYK+sj9PGS7ohz26ivrtyUfiWpGk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.220.78 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 20:06:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: 8aCkIPEVM1kF0fb_Tv_QywDwmL8WUg.YvdPk4SvkiVl_iTftzR2ijJO3wntA_fxZPwih0TLrLpcb6eTIdsrLAHSQlhOERGbKD1jLk3OCYQXikCOeKSPkq0jnmMtJjrRP7GSJ84gsZk9kFhrovEpj.DzkoBvllvK3Q.tTYxsnvDHN4x.Wjw1klLt9Z8TEgShUmlbkUtBbJ9In4rqGgENqhRkDZKhBNs8icKnhJndFMqyqvw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <55419FA8164A45CCA0094231C642F8EC@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:06:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b40f8f02a5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here= on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not= identified yet.=20 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Station sending 'DTL' over and over= again in QRSS60=20 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx= . 1Hz=20 lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.83]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4b4765d112c; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:05:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6CBD33800017C; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIFh-0005qN-BP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIFg-0005qE-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:56 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTIFe-0001H6-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 36083 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 17:03:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=RyXUn/BA1C11Uub9Ly+8yMiRWASAlY0WPnfy5J0Y2n6pp+Zx1cGJGhJxe7P4owQy8bJWC3TXJTMCJ2JYK48uulZWF4MaeHmTAEWOKTCY1jwvy7dfuWR7+QBCST4e56fHSV940/hHu19Xvpg5pgx4wjWIv/cbNml5S96jjTHopxY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.134.103.150 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 17:03:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: 6pJGQp4VM1m5KdOIR3nPcDBdAF1._WHzTCaI6c.pj173JOJ3FmkmmZ8FwaJyTNEL0Rzw_AO3cWON5UMS9qbcq7fFawn4VsChL1eWfq5d5mWlHyRTFGeNIVTpZIDBR6Hsw9jMt2aVdGmNkKhoL.3yrzECSvZso8a4uKg9lLcMOSWv0fnnS4GobDk2JrPjvEcPFbdzusFK0iOrtDyQgIWquZTJjoA72zp5zbCX9aJVoT1mhg8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <10F19CC86D914F84AED9B3AE78F05DB3@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:03:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40534b4765cf56da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Thanks for the email. Snow this week in Biggleswade has been about 2i= nches, less than Xmas week, but temperature much lower (-5C is low for= us southerners) Main roads OK but side roads and pavements ice cover= ed. Wish you good DX for 2010, and hope to have QSO with you again= soon. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Dennis I wondered why u did not reply. Here several inches of snow on grnd= and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affected=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Hi all, I have called CQ several times this past week on 500kHz and may ha= ve got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ but their transmissi= ons blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby railway overhead line= equipment. Sorry if I missed your calls. Keep warm and 73, Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Thanks for the email.  Snow this= week in=20 Biggleswade has been about 2inches, less than Xmas week, but temperatu= re much=20 lower (-5C is low for us southerners)  Main roads OK but side roa= ds and=20 pavements ice covered.   Wish you good DX for 2010, and hope= to have=20 QSO with you again soon.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, January 08, 201= 0 3:22=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost= on railway=20 overhead lines.

Dennis
I wondered why u did not reply. Her= e several=20 inches of snow on grnd and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas= not=20 affected
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 08,= 2010 12:10=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on= railway=20 overhead lines.

Hi all,
 
I have called CQ several times th= is past week=20 on 500kHz and may have got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3= DXZ but=20 their transmissions blotted out by QRM caused by frost on=20 nearby railway overhead line equipment.    Sor= ry if I=20 missed your calls.
 
Keep warm and 73, Dennis=20 M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-5d84b53404b17a; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:52:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG071-5d84b53404b17a; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYLa-00079k-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYLZ-00079b-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:29 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWYLS-0007oC-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:29 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2010 16:51:13 -0000 Received: from p5DC4386D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.56.109] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 17:51:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ejIAblCRezBgwl7PYZgiFeimo45M5pkVHt50Gjn 2110IC9hXsVOS1 Message-ID: <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:51:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.56000000000000005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA979D.A3A83550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA979D.A3A83550 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, a bit more than 3Hz below. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz > intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >> showing, >> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >> >> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr > frequency >> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mal hamilton" >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> > >> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier >> > 503.4 K/cs >> > de mal/g3kev >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "James Moritz" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> > >> > >> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >> >> >> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >> >> >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWsp-0004ck-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:05:38 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so1034509pxi.30 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yBISqObv8YzwvsMWSR12gSjkS7PM2HE5JNTSUT7Wz4k=; b=Y5OspCBvhFndBhde5U0Q5sjPaD/+pFdabw9fK58tQot8sZ3xQfaqi8ycDVVL+70he8 c7XoDoBgksWrt67V1nLYVqjy1xrr0ZKAdmzGGHdvSlzD/LjZY1fJzRwOer2rqxNLeBo1 5x9T3II6sPwlUY5Tf8tjX4o4kFFZJxMer0wHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Is5+WUXhg8KpvDBt+m5PuWhmPD3lP1dGfPFtgDlVZvkdje0w4VmMEdHQQaSmdak5Zx 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SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m206.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roelof, When I was checking earlier I could hear NDB KN on 494.000 kHz (495.025). 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roelof Bakker > Hello Gary, > > Glad to hear you solved this problem. > I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there. > The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > JO23tm > > --000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roelof,

When I was checking earlier I could hear NDB= KN on 494.000 kHz (495.025).

73, Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/14 Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demo= n.nl>
Hello Gary,

Glad to hear you solved this problem.
I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there.=
The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz.

73,
Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
JO23tm


--000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5b14b5619c7248; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:45:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG032-5b14b5619c7248; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:44:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKve-00039s-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKve-00039j-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKvb-0005Kv-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 58607 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=N0B3MJYtQn22CWAEdx2KP/DO1KR2sxR8Wc8rZV948Q2+dRibozK1U7xZ8/FgUxkxM9EEwbbjSI+4FD2Pjtvlz4rl6H9GFc9EfqSOYawGofno0CReZwqHJcU0e65sgTcRVdCvLdlRt7Gz8BPikvJ0SD2u3x5Qy7y6y0U8kJvYbhM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: vY.1DZQVM1knr8NIAEhAPWCzrl7DZtYtv4kR4JCplRjTcryMnqsNIJMGaIwVEv2sfZROBBwFoJxdEiSyO_BGo6vqSeRgMimB1bIn2Lby649AMIRazoGKv470Bb3C5YmGaVniu3zd4_yhalrowj9aqYub2C6N_1mD8AVACttCFkAA4SHXPB1iPcESqrfr_Q5GzuyplcNKc4hJMhpCVoXdKXJn4o3kDb4wkaal7yzS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Thread-Index: AcqZPfEREToFkm8jRJKXmArOkWaMQwACesVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary, =20 202800 24 -2 1.9 223 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203000 25 -1 1.9 223 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203200 22 -2 1.8 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203400 24 -2 2.0 223 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203600 23 -2 1.9 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 204000 22 -2 1.8 223 29 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 19 January 2010 19:30 To: Rsgb_Lf_Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Hi All,=20 For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on= LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. Sorry, no prizes :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/= 19/10 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Gary,
 
202800 24  = -2 =20 1.9  223 32 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203000 25   -1  1.9  223 33=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203200 22   -2  1.8  223 30=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203400 24   -2  2.0  223 31=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203600 23   -2  1.9  223 30=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
204000 22   -2  1.8  223 29=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 19 January 2010=20 19:30
To: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJ= T=20 JT4A

Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.<= /DIV>

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minute= s.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the= results on=20 LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.14= 9/2630 -=20 Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a604b5611141b7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:08:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604b5611141b7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:07:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKLg-0002bC-VK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKLg-0002b3-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKLe-0008DJ-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0JK6eHY075807 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:40 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100119-0, 01/19/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi All, > > For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. > > The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. > > Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. > > If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF > & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. > > Sorry, no prizes :-(( > > > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. Hi Gary Just received: 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b4e7d86378; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:12:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF05938000081; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFB2-0006Hl-8n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFB1-0006Hc-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:11 +0000 Received: from mcgi37.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVFAz-00053X-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:11 +0000 Received: from mcgi37.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi37.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08CE11470 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:02 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.253] by mcgi37.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:01 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:01 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b4e7d8453ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b505a8c2e7; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:07:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7BEDF3800008E; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkwe-0007Pi-Ud for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkwe-0007PZ-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30] helo=mta03.eastlink.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVkwd-0005oN-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KWA00ER6EW6MYS0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:54 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAInoT0sY4IgYgWdsb2JhbACBRFEamVEBARYkLq9tCYtPgkeBagQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,281,1262577600"; d="scan'208,217";a="528511582" Received: from me01.eastlink.ca (HELO eastlink.ca) ([24.224.136.24]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:10:19 -0400 Received: from [142.177.160.131] by me01.eastlink.ca (mshttpd); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 From: vmath@eastlink.ca To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-id: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-8.04 (built Jul 29 2009; 32bit) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ)" Subject: LF: 500khz WSPR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b505a8b2ce8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ) Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline Hi all...left the rig running all night ... 2010-01-15 08:14 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -2 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 08:12 WD2XSH/10 0.503838 +2 0 EM95tg +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 1828 1136 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -4 0 FN42pb +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 701 436 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -4 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 07:16 SM6BHZ 0.503924 -26 0 JO57wq +27 0.501 VE1VDM FN85ij 5087 3161 2010-01-15 07:04 PA0A 0.503899 -21 0 JO33de +37 5.012 VE1VDM FN85ij 4916 3055 Regards Vernon - VE1VDMIcom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees ) --Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ) Content-Type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline

Hi all...left the rig running all night ...

 2010-01-15 08:14   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -2   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 
 2010-01-15 08:12   WD2XSH/10   0.503838   +2   0   EM95tg   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   1828   1136 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/17   0.503891   -4   0   FN42pb   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   701   436 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -4   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 

  
 2010-01-15 07:16   SM6BHZ      0.503924   -26   0   JO57wq   +27   0.501   VE1VDM   FN85ij   5087   3161 
 2010-01-15 07:04   PA0A        0.503899   -21   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   VE1VDM   FN85ij   4916   3055 

 

Regards Vernon - VE1VDM

Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees )

--Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b53623f219; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:17:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91FEC380000BD; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWabM-0000Ne-Hh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWabM-0000NV-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWabL-0000tM-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC97B51C008 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877D4F3862 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 506DC18056; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from 238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.63.238]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.63.238 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b53623d1358 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jay, I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. Reports via wsprnet.org 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > USB. Some stations will begin > this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > Stations may be adjusting their > power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > power column. Any and all reports, > groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > > We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > continue on in WSPR mode > instead. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-a21d4b4a2f982c3; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:50:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EEBF38000119; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3nC-0004SD-M3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3nC-0004S4-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3nB-0004C3-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327ED51C002 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C6531E703 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id CB2D618056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b4a2f971eb6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) =20 depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Cowburn : > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =20 > a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =20 > current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =20 > limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =20 > estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =20 > (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =20 > one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =20 > be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =20 > a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =20 > would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =20 > the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =20 > capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB =20 > difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =20 > for a great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.27]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b658ccd345; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1469838000153; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbaJG-00082c-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbaJG-00082T-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbaJD-0007ZT-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:53 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G/6uZZEjj19MdO/LwE9EOzQHTYxX/jg9T4Pu4yqr3GShTMyZKtKLGYwjq8vkcv3W; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.63] (helo=wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NbaJ3-0007Ze-Rf; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 Received: from 97.124.46.88 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: <12077821.1264946261487.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c260963b8aaedd422e9746a90631e68e55c51666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.63 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601b4b658ccb490c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is > in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use > outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, > please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the > correct format now. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send > the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is > already working vy fine! > That is a very interesting approach to minimizing induced noise on the RX cable. What are the loss characteristics of the optical link, including the diode(s)? Chris Trask N7ZWY WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a0a4b4f5ed8120; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:13:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b4f5ed8120; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:13:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVUBL-0001Zs-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVUBL-0001Zj-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVUBJ-00034R-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 17937 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from 188-23-178-118.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.178.118]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub94.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jan 2010 18:12:20 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1263492740.1774.8.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave! Many thanks for your report. I appreciate this much. I'm using a Marconi Antenna (13m vertically) with multiple topload-wires up to 50m long. Capacitive load is about 650pf and loading coil is 2,1mH. The PA-output was about 200W this evening. 73 de OE3GHB Gerhard Am Dienstag, den 12.01.2010, 21:34 +0000 schrieb Dave G3WCB: > Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, > > OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. > > RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. Windsor, S.E.England > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b3e80f1f5; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:10:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E8953800347F; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQqU3-0002ed-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQqU3-0002eU-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQqU1-0006NP-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 59CB76248D62 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:00:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.248.111.114] by freemailng1803.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:00:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:00:29 +0100 Message-Id: <1160510449@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hans-Albrecht Haffa To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gTjrDX3AXupDQprNzKo5EuLWFhtgof0F2iyA9SBYDupjqq sqWzcrZ8AOYI+AozMEgicvzISDOYm98tZgr9PSvZfenkXciatk= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b3e7ee44512 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Ossi,=20 also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands for= experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape stri= p "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explan= ing message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc.=20 But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band, wi= th no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as TE= ST or QST message.=20 Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amateu= r mode.=20 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: odl > Hallo victor ! > tu fer pic testing new antenna > running good in the new year hi > happy new year=20 > 73 oe5odl ossi > victor13@online.nl schrieb: > > Happy new year to all, > > > > captured ODL this morning > > 137710 Hz > > > > 73 > > > > Victor > > PA3FNY > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > > >=20 >=20 ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-86514b58e6db61; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6500538000090; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY6gE-0000Fq-EJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY6gD-0000Fa-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:13 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY6gB-0001BH-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0LNh80d003542 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:43:09 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:43:08 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: ERP<>EMRP Thread-Index: Acqa0Fq5w+pUi4DKSW+jf170wx7dfQAIo/tE References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com><007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.692;21.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.21.232720 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9AF3.7C226F07" Subject: LF: ERP<>EMRP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b58e6d96a0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9AF3.7C226F07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy,=20 =20 Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? =20 73, Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic elec= tromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getti= ng antenna efficiency. =20 =20 Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. =20 Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the= antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to= 6dB error. 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(HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.3.245]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:28:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003901ca9d1a$92b4bf70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:27:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Eddie Let me know if u need a report on qrs or cw. I can hear and work all the other Micro Watt merchants. My 40m loop is E/W but I can use the inv L if needed to hear u. I must get a NS loop installed in case I am missing something de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > > > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > > period of the screenshot. > > > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > > Grabbers. > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > > 1245utc. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave > > G3WCB > > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > > contains elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of > > g3zjo > > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > > To: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > > same time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB052-861f4b575d7813f; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:46:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 46CA43800012D; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgU1-0007br-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgU1-0007bi-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgTz-0000Ks-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120194446.KLLM4474.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:46 +0000 Received: from [82.26.27.117] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgTt-00064g-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:46 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqaBkO27twyCziUQrmUuKRfYTPE5QAAq9tQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=bPV2uaBrCK0c115Nj8QA:9 a=Qhqh4cR7GYJDxvUeamAA:7 a=EqLM3iYCDs2yUvX1Xluq-GnmlREA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ytwkUWg1-ORZ-iBWLQIA:9 a=CaZqtJTrva1N0raLA34A:7 a=0Lu0qnCzvIs6ixH4PGk3sBLrGeMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b575d77667f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1200km!!!!=A0= new record for me!!

 

With best regards

 

 

Jim

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010= 19:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

Hell= o LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s= ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b563c04d6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:11:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2BEE3380000BD; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNCj-0004et-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNCj-0004ek-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXNCh-0000wM-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so396920bwz.29 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Uit57Jo36KxnH2yzT5B/7g/GTBG9ht4B9XGwg/miDlg=; b=s/mlmzpfT9zgfUeK8oOi9HzQ+1gtcrdQ9uoOUAqmYhXRtD9/ntC0LBHITOUMOZW6el VsRrUzwLHnIVjVJySFt+EFgmGHtzwctgo4e17TJFRR4RqxtiF4QtF6Pva6omiEyZa1U5 iODJzovUalvWLwS+t7LK3yPOrBox4GkyJ1c4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YQZCKv8cswHurlWnjOwQfFWN+75Fz0DleBu/frCO9LHft2ZB2o1vICoa34JlpsFc3o zirGNZy2t9HcsOwjCRCKt9orqJjGNHa3o5oP+JA3uaf+pjnCZ1mqAL/KscgNSqa4qj50 AXEZC1zipedtN36M/QBAn9c+pUiicNcWX5+h8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.26 with SMTP id f26mr4684016bkf.66.1263942576998; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b563c025e3c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All, I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my personal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy. If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England *please leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch for G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All,

I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015174bec34518940047d8c9055-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b48d3b21fb; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:06:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4B398380000D4; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgd0-000070-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:05:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgd0-00006r-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:05:38 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTgcy-0000Yl-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:05:38 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F7FA21D for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:05:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from cor306597a14dc (dc5146dcf7.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.70.220.247]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:05:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: "Cor PA0AM" To: References: <0428D232A1EB4AD581A389F01D2C5991@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <0428D232A1EB4AD581A389F01D2C5991@Inspiron> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:05:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100109-0, 09-01-2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b48d3b00ac9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageSpecial Message Formats=20 Normal WSPR messages consist of a callsign, 4-digit grid locator, and= power level in dBm. These messages are always preferred when appropri= ate. However, compound callsigns (i.e., callsigns with add-on prefix= or suffix) cannot fit into the 28 bits allocated in a standard messag= e. Similarly, 6-digit locators cannot fit into 15 bits. Messages using= these components are therefore sent using a two-transmission sequence= . For example, if the callsign is PJ4/K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator= is FK52UD, and the power level 37 dBm, the following messages will be= sent in alternating transmissions:=20 PJ4/K1ABC 37 FK52UD 37=20 If you have special need to use a 6-digit locator with a normal callsi= gn, check the box Force transmission of 6-digit locator. If the callsi= gn is K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator FN42AX, and the power level 37= dBm, the following messages will then be sent in alternating transmis= sions:=20 K1ABC FN42 37 FN42AX 37=20 Callsigns enclosed in angle brackets are actually sent as 15-bit hash= codes. If such a code is received by another station before the full= callsign has been received, it will be displayed as <...> on the deco= ded text line. Once the full callsign has been received, the decoder= will thereafter recognize the hash code and fill in the blanks. Two= very different callsigns might have the same hash code, but the 15-bi= t hash-code length ensures that in practice such collisions will be ra= re.=20 Please note that messages with compound callsigns or 6-digit locators= will not be properly decoded by WSPR versions earlier than 2.0. Furth= er details on message formats can be found in Appendix B, and in the= WSPR source code.=20 7=20 From: Lee Hudson=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3 Hi Klaus, Yes I'm using V2 However: 100109 1456 9 -22 2.4 0.503919 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -3 13= 0 100109 1500 7 -24 1.6 0.503921 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -1 1= 0 100109 1502 6 -25 1.8 0.503919 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 3= 0 100109 1506 13 -18 1.7 0.503918 <...> JO28WJ 10 -1 1= 0 100109 1508 17 -14 1.7 0.503916 LA3/O28WJJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1510 16 -16 1.8 0.503915 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1512 11 -20 1.8 0.503915 LA3/O28WJJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1516 14 -16 1.7 0.503896 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -1 6= 0 100109 1518 15 -15 1.8 0.503895 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1520 15 -15 1.7 0.503896 LA3EQ/M 10 1 1= 0 100109 1522 11 -19 1.8 0.503898 JO28WJ 10 1 1= 0 The question I suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the trans= missions, WSPR on a PC, or something homebrew for /M use? 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Special Message Formats

Normal WSPR messages consist of a callsign, 4-digit gr= id locator,=20 and power level in dBm. These messages are always preferred when appro= priate.=20 However, compound callsigns (i.e., callsigns with add-on prefix or suf= fix)=20 cannot fit into the 28 bits allocated in a standard message. Similarly= , 6-digit=20 locators cannot fit into 15 bits. Messages using these components are= therefore=20 sent using a two-transmission sequence. For example, if the callsign= is=20 PJ4/K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator is FK52UD, and the power level 37= dBm, the=20 following messages will be sent in alternating transmissions:=20

PJ4/K1ABC 37 <PJ4/K1ABC> FK52UD 37

If you have special need to use a 6-digit locator with= a normal=20 callsign, check the box Force transmission of 6-digit= =20 locator. If the callsign is K1ABC, the 6-digit grid= locator FN42AX,=20 and the power level 37 dBm, the following messages will then be sent= in=20 alternating transmissions:

K1ABC FN42 37 <K1ABC> FN42AX 37

Callsigns enclosed in angle brackets are actually sent= as 15-bit=20 hash codes. If such a code is received by another station before the= full=20 callsign has been received, it will be displayed as <...> on the decoded= text line. Once=20 the full callsign has been received, the decoder will thereafter recog= nize the=20 hash code and fill in the blanks. Two very different callsigns might= have the=20 same hash code, but the 15-bit hash-code length ensures that in practi= ce such=20 collisions will be rare.

Please note that messages with compound callsigns or= 6-digit=20 locators will not be properly decoded by WSPR versions earlier than 2.= 0. Further=20 details on message formats can be found in Appendix B, and in the WSPR= source=20 code.

7


=
Hi Klaus,
 
Yes= I'm using=20 V2
Ho= wever:
 
1001= 09=20 1456   9 -22  2.4   0.503919  LA3/O28WJJ= =20 10          -3  = ; =20 13    0
100109 1500   7 -24  1.6 = ; =20 0.503921  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     1    0
100109 1502 &= nbsp; 6=20 -25  1.8   0.503919  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 3    0
100109 1506  13 -18  1.7  = ;=20 0.503918  <...> JO28WJ 10     &nbs= p; =20 -1     1    0
100109 1508 = 17=20 -14  1.7   0.503916  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1510 = 16=20 -16  1.8   0.503915  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
100109 1512  11 -20  1.8  = ;=20 0.503915  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1516 = 14=20 -16  1.7   0.503896  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     6    0
100109 1518 = 15=20 -15  1.8   0.503895  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
1001= 09 1520  15=20 -15  1.7   0.503896  LA3EQ/M=20 10           &n= bsp; =20 1     1    0
100109 1522 = 11=20 -19  1.8   0.503898  <LA3EQ/M> JO28WJ=20 10     1     1  &nbs= p;=20 0
<= /FONT> 
The question I=20 suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the=20 transmissions,
WSPR= on a PC,=20 or something homebrew for /M use?
 
73= ,
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.76]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b60953d1a2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 118CE38000049; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdN-0003sr-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdN-0003si-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDdL-0005X3-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127193253.CMJS10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100127193253.HVBM22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:53 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B6094E0.1719.223E059@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=UzKWH3ZmO763UQOEUKYA:9 a=JmRMaStnd7Gpv0HnSHQ0_-6wpEgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV on 136.32 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b60953b237a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be running a test transmission tonight transmiting 'XDV' using QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz from now (1930UTC) to around 0900 tomorrow morning. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a1f4b561186146; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:10:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b561186146; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKNm-0002eH-36 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKNl-0002e8-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:57 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKNi-0008Ed-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:57 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4595822pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jz1UnADciaYVWC9LTDZkEz1GEGMyMieqs/eTXzALbsY=; b=BLtg4b/6Ggt1mmGmwlHVXErKvVZ7XGSm3+GSM52ShwACafDWoeni6X12MPuE9npOtl rJG1rW3hO2OCp03uz6RYo3oVNQ2n0wfY6HQK3u0kwUUUcmMoOoEs0pz5HGiZVygY/lHI 2jo6q96abq09Hk5F6ylvFo2T+hKUdy+USsl8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nwJMV3Z1wmD49V69KeZoID7AhuFRCGaHnkrQf0sw6u3shWWQXbf2uNotIAgneC1fYN tijRt5vAYZBMAI88HyHPZjLxQ2D2pXPuE2Tn9l3zRfDj94/9l2xVtKAdYxWML/UY6q++ CE5FKjlSuBkibrhR2klCklDO72L6bToxOEZ+o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr5682057rvi.136.1263931725844; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:45 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a95e560d6a129678 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Martin, Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping for others to try decoding. I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. > > At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. > > Can't decode it, of course. > > Martin GW3UCJ. > > > > > --000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin,

Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.=

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP sig= nal showing up. You should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute= on the even minutes. Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollie= s.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.





--000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-91f4b506af53e; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:18:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f4b506af53e; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:17:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVlzk-00081G-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVlzj-000817-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:43 +0000 Received: from web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVlzi-0002mU-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 11051 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263561207; bh=MlnrFmycg6MZuflvEGnfARRme/q5viiaSklepiUP91Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g0Lbcvk3NcaJA8yQatJUVXrHhdJO0mAc/ipukfjST1Jby5pEzBgSjuk8VwR4bMFrAWTVYTpnYV9gZ5FlX7wply9A7sYlfXzKgvndL2JsTX+zgcItzahIkSd+eZQdEaIoC5KJTVSomVQUZJZH4Z2gmy17R2iE8d4216EoKiaWMXA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b1fvXQ6/8egIvZpB48U8Lj8hH3ngeToP4yoAqLmNVwIglCMhUgsMijDL7ml7/AFuWcMsTaALdCXFS2mHkOyGfM4TiEkKgcmixfIvRUIBHwDPhNRlADoMmhrK/Lg/sGnlCLgkkz29Mpy6iihYNb/6lIEAA9ohrceCmTlx+g8VOUI=; Message-ID: <924161.10258.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X340N9MVM1l0SUH8oq2cW6wWRt9dONR_8EMKQDaEAT5elbOeTW.DkLBu3rFi_5VKMv8tvtsKFEHfktEUuXofj9wFrPXFeMxyde3wZAOW3QgH54bIof9hDVwmbLePq.fk71upr3jxkrcU7.rrv8cIH6FT6.sMRVu61fod23EKDxn.i2QEQuY.YBoE9iP9YZHcPY2Zb7BGl9Z.sCBG7nit2dbX4Zx_D3_byYoAiDZ44UcDwtxu5wdFzoqAd69xyWxpn8CMchzAzjNbepbtPrs48alsTMLU2Fn9MP6J6AZHuw2AJZKWfQfFc79j Received: from [81.129.12.153] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =C2=A0 Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "HNY"....e= tc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hellschreiber sty= le of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site=C2=A0=C2=A0..... htt= p://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html 73 Petefmt From: Laurence KL1X Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54 Looks like variable frequency drive interference=C2=A0from devices=C2=A0li= ke pumps, elevator motors, =C2=A0cranes=C2=A0etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough. =C2=A0 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =C2=A0 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =C2=A0 Anyone come across these? =C2=A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =C2=A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =C2=A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =C2=A0 Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=E2=80=99s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now.=20 =20 --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "= HNY"....etc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hel= lschreiber style of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site &= nbsp;..... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html
73 Petefmt

From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
Sub= ject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fr= iday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54

Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 

Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=E2=80=99s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now.
<= br> =20 --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a574b4333d618d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:43:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b4333d618d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:43:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NS8j8-0003XM-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NS8j7-0003XD-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:33 +0000 Received: from omta1.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.99]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NS8j4-0000TP-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:33 +0000 Received: from torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.177.7.56]) by tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100105124115.SWGL29008.tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:41:15 -0500 Received: from JimPC ([142.177.7.56]) by torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with ESMTP id <20100105124115.FRIS27443.torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@JimPC> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:41:15 -0500 From: "Jim and Hannelore Fisher" To: References: <015001ca8db5$53f543a0$fbdfcae0$@princeton.edu> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <016b01ca8e04$5ae52320$10af6960$@princeton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqNx6Wcs+9XI1+ST1aTZoknVqywNgAPKXZw Content-Language: en-ca X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020205.4B43336B.01B2,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN=2.872,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mni tnx, Victor! 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-05-10 05:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500khz licence Hello Jim, i am using a synthesised drive unit SD1 from Redifon (very old) to generate wspr.The ssb modulator for this at 1.4MHz for this I build in myself, PA is also homebrew,500W output, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Jim and Hannelore Fisher Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 4:15 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hi Victor-- How are you generating WSPR on 500 kHz--transverter/directly? 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-04-10 16:10 To: blacksheep Subject: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a2b4b563d41159; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:16:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4b563d41159; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:16:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNIG-0004jL-C5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:15:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNIG-0004jC-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:15:28 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXNID-0006Rr-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Biggest in 2 years... http://spaceweather.com/ Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.82]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-8c344b3e29523b7; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:56:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33B2B38000132; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQkmP-0000ny-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQkmP-0000np-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQkmM-0004zd-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35931980AE for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b3e29520aee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Graham, no sign of radio Caroline here,Akraberg is S9+20dB Hope to get my 500kc licence soon,nothing official yet, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Graham Verzonden: vrijdag 1 januari 2010 16:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s P, Well may be best time will be round 2000 > 2200 Hrs ..for the skip distance Any Dutch stations on 500 later ? 73 - G . This list is scary http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.txt .... From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Graham,
 
no=20 sign of radio Caroline here,Akraberg is S9+20dB
 
Hope=20 to get my 500kc licence soon,nothing official yet,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 Graham
Verzonden: vrijdag 1 januari 2010 16:44
A= an:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Radio Caro= line now=20 on 531Kc/s

P,  Well  may be best&nbs= p; time =20 will be  round 2000 > 2200  Hrs ..for the  skip di= stance=20
 
Any  Dutch stations  on= 500 later=20   ?
 
73 - G .  
 
 
 
This  list is  scary = ; http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.= txt ....=20

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s

Yes Graham the German station is winning here= at times=20 but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes=20 on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low= power but=20 can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes&= nbsp;it a=20 bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fr= i, 1/1/10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF:= Radio=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = ; German=20 station playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..q= uite =20 regular flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the&nbs= p; same=20 freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury=20 in Essex.
 
Signa= l RS 57-9=20 here in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL= =20 petefmt






------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b40f32b2ec; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:42:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CCC138005D8B; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWD7-0004y4-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWD7-0004xu-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWD4-0001nb-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.22] (helo=[10.218.42.13]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRWCu-000LAR-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:33:45 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:33:22 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <606162377.20100103193322@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QSO with RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40f15300de X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike and LF! G3XDV wrote 03.01.2010, 22:15 MSK(GMT+3h): MD> Just completed a two-way QRSS10 contact with RU6LA, QRB 2823km.=20 MD> Thanks, Ed, for your patience. This is our 2nd QSO - the first was in= =20 MD> 2005, also using QRSS10. Pic attached of part of Ed sending my call=20 MD> and report.. TNX for the QSO! But first was in Nov 9 2002 and second was in Jan 15 2005 :-) also in QRSS= 10 HNY ! I'm CQing now on 137.703 73! Ed RU6LA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-a18f4b55f5d345; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:11:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1EF138000141; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXIWJ-00024Q-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXIWJ-00024H-An for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXIWH-0007bA-Cr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7282160pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O8ThcFZzpwzxP3sQwQ7Y6JdH3bnTKvTMkcL1r38Jdwc=; b=pWbmM01HWulv4FfQ3008nJjWONL4qb+cYevzb7p5Tdfgl2uxLPAd3woDGgYwZ+PhvM Iag/qYD7jE4bo2A3vRReNwosz7YKZ47qRJ4pL0Ki84LiA4zheNa/1sBFr4xKyxeaBkxI emvubvYTdv+mM38oS2Tv5eQxt0Hn3Mtvljb50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XMhwek3/c+7vXWHml/Y9Tdv4vj3Sgmk7smxIUxn+xI0fy+hsZfSwtca6AjrWQQuxRa qTZV9DdHuQJ+4rFO+n2O9UqOsQzqvv9pVRqbpazA4lePJEVLmvp7P0LhlnEKqfYF3IsF XLzkUbIshiMYGtpZMotdNZgMS4WeR1+2Af6A0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr4167177wam.184.1263924569284; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001191009y49dcce7fr23fb61c0370d9576@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b55f5d1204a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Andrey, Surprisingly good give that XGJ was running low power! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:57 AM, rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, Henny, LF, > > ..And my modest results... > Captures at 23.30z and 01.50z > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB023-86444b49eb82d7; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B2F88380000AA; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzFi-00031E-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzFi-000315-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTzFg-0002Wm-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFAAx6SUtOlPII/2dsb2JhbACNUwbEA4QvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="429010710" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.242.8]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 14:58:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca9205$5db00930$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: MF/LF CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b49eb8028ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/MF GRP Tnx for all your recent emails, mostly direct in support of CW acty= on MF/LF bands. Mail from Russia, Eastern Europe countries and some= nearer, not so many from the UK !!!!!! As requested I will continue to work xband to give those not licensed= a chance to have a QSO, this will apply to both LF and MF. In spite of the WX at present I am QRV on both 137 and 500 K/cs daily,= antennas so far have not been affected by the snow or frost. Frequencies normally used by me are 137 for CW, 137.7 for QRS3 and 50= 2.6 CW and QRS3 if requested. plus/minus adjustments to avoid others. QSX frequencies are 7033 K/cs always monitored when I am active. plus= 3533 K/cs or any other freq if requested. As well as LF/MF all HF ban= ds from 1.8 - 30 M/cs available and VHF/UHF 144 and 432 M/cs. QSX procedure used, so pse BK when I call CQ this station is always AT= TENDED =20 73 and agn tnx all messages received and HNY De Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/MF GRP
Tnx for all your recent emails,  = ;mostly direct=20 in support of CW acty on MF/LF bands. Mail from Russia, Eastern Europe= countries=20 and some nearer, not so many from the UK !!!!!!
As requested I will continue to work= xband to give=20 those not licensed a chance to have a QSO, this will apply to both LF= and=20 MF.
In spite of the WX at present I am QR= V on both 137=20 and 500 K/cs daily, antennas so far have not been affected by the snow= or=20 frost.
Frequencies normally used by me= are 137=20 for CW, 137.7 for QRS3  and 502.6 CW and QRS3 if requested.= plus/minus=20 adjustments to avoid others.
QSX frequencies are 7033 K/cs al= ways monitored=20 when I am active. plus 3533 K/cs or any other freq if requested.= As well as=20 LF/MF all HF bands from 1.8 - 30 M/cs available and VHF= /UHF=20 144 and 432 M/cs.
QSX procedure used, so pse BK wh= en I call CQ=20 this station is always ATTENDED  
73 and agn tnx all messages received= and=20 HNY
De Mal/G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a514b5596aa2e6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:25:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA021-a514b5596aa2e6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:25:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXCCO-0000xd-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXCCO-0000xU-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXCCM-0000xo-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWH003MHROJAX@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:17 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KSOFn7cNzaxDDIWnKDBluw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_KSOFn7cNzaxDDIWnKDBluw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg)" --Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Joe, nice capture and also audible, best 73s henny pa3cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Joe,
nice capture and also audible,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm
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09:28:52 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0B9SdNB033374 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:28:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> From: "Albert" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather good= results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting, it wou= ld be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 repo= rted a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for a CW= QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Repo= rts received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/= 5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar,= 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the nig= ht of 10/11=20 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my cur= rent=20 setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42= WD2XSH/17=20 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough fo= r a =20 CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for thi= s mode.=20 Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and=20 WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01-11,= 03:20 UTC,=20 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best of bo= th=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74b53033d2d7; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:31:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3035C38000109; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUH9-0004WZ-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUH9-0004WQ-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWUH8-0006ek-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WcKu1d00417dt5G54cWXFw; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WcWV1d0092DDHkk3ZcWVdo; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:30:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b53033c7e79 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0 dial USB overnight tonight - wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR >I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but >with little European audience. > An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5eda793c0; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:05:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 877AA3800013D; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZk9R-0008Oi-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZk9R-0008OZ-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZk9P-0007yg-EX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkFAMhoXktOlhe6/2dsb2JhbACIJ9BtgiSCFQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,346,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="425983159" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.23.186]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2010 12:03:45 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002901ca9e7f$9c25f950$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <862755.8003.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5eda773494 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 No apologies needed for me Sam. So many times I think, 'I never did see an answer to that one.' So instead I will make it a plea to groups, don't use the 'underground network'. If I am not interested I can use the DEL key. 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: 26 January 2010 11:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Apologies, that should have been a direct reply to Mike. However, I'm sure it is of wider interest as the amateur spectrum tends to 'fold round'. The microwave bands (with EME) sit adjacent to the LF bands! 73 de Sam, G4DDK On 26 Jan 2010, at 10:22, "Mike Dennison" wrote: Can anyone on this group tell me whether Morse is still used for EME and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts, or does all activity now use purpose-designed digital modes? Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =========== No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2644 - Release Date: 01/26/10 07:46:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.220]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-86464b5c824d2ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9CE0D380001A9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6BD-0007Tp-HP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6BC-0007Tg-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6BA-0000r0-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlEIAP8QXEtZ8QP1/2dsb2JhbAAsh3zMEoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="281145407" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.3.245]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:22:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003301ca9d19$da767520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:22:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dc4b5c824b2e51 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan What loss ? Let me know when u want a QSO on cw 137. I have both LF and MF availab= le for immediate QSO'S also xband for a qso if u like 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Mal, LF, That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX le= vel or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and= others not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and have= the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP succes= s. That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea,= your ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it= is a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4= wave for 600m? Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic control (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally,= the braid length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i= could build a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv= there i use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more= signal but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of= the overall loss resistance and so on. Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/= or DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559= in >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5UFO, M0BMU...... 73s Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave= inv L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX= . RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W= . QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH ar= e underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear= what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? Wh= at about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you= gave me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is al= ways VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW= simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visib= le with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in= the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals= are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not gett= ing any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrot= e: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed= for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antis= ocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA= is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR ha= s more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandw= idth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N.= The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing me= ssage contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction ,= sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but= could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If= JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peop= le like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more= and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrot= e: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be= one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves= it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, be= ing heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of= those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the= WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know= to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwi= dths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I thi= nk I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF,= HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are= , as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKn= n without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and= seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use= on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to aba= ndon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder= routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A.= We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spa= cing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal= still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, th= e 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Sco= tland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sign= als - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there= be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms= will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to hea= lth, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to= JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I= have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5eec4b3e19ed41; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:51:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADEB438006199; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjfh-0000NV-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjfh-0000NM-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjfd-0001a7-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FDC970000AF for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 733FF70000B0 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.58]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 268EF70000AF for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100101154404158.268EF70000AF@mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:44:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b3e18946989 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable P, Well may be best time will be round 2000 > 2200 Hrs ..for the= skip distance=20 Any Dutch stations on 500 later ? 73 - G . =20 This list is scary http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.tx= t ....=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earli= er RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so= I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can'= t find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit bor= ing. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequ= ency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same fr= eq ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Reveng= e at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
P,  Well  may be best = time =20 will be  round 2000 > 2200  Hrs ..for the  skip dist= ance=20
 
Any  Dutch stations  on 500= later  =20 ?
 
73 - G .  
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
=

Yes Graham the German station is winning here at= times but=20 earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening= comes on so=20 I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but= can't=20 find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it= a bit=20 boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 1/1= /10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Rad= io=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = German station=20 playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite = regular=20 flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the  same fr= eq=20 ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT=20
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in=20 Essex.
=  
Signal= RS 57-9 here=20 in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL=20 petefmt



<= BR>



------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a7a4b50e05d324; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA072-a7a4b50e05d324; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtre-0007Rx-FI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtre-0007Rm-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtrc-0003QV-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815E13B462 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:58 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> In-Reply-To: <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =C2=A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not > the mirror image how does that work.=20 Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich waveform that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b507702223; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A03A53800010F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmqC-0000Ek-BH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmqB-0000Ea-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:55 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmq1-0003IR-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:55 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so600746bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:07:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q7RshyS5k7y5COR6ysncunInboCVro5xY28Iz4DnpkY=; b=wTt6pWAbYov42uOm2SiOoGtEmztkZtnnlN0XvnQYBsAaBfNTROGm9SKCtNgWy4a6oT Pcn5dmnbgnqMm80kSL7bt9XlDUsNeBRYOnofcUdzx4WQz9SJKP1cjp47dNPkD6xyJkQ4 MtAxcxchiRcRPl+Ao8XaVK+L9M/Zg3xFfr01E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I8cN7nI8BsoLm3buTVHiNtZcVjMDtyaxT+tiUPaNqoSIMM3Y5ekhTMUbodIGttqKDK wQlvEGb6bXsYNPUOsS9HbvavhLKpjY98aLOa6M8Ccufk9XOH363jKXkIAEG0a0CGABpE yhu+/3uL74M2B0OdKWiTCwhr6eAwaZuRKFzsk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.206 with SMTP id i14mr1299286bkd.52.1263564449931; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:07:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255579ea30645b047d34869f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b5077002862 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255579ea30645b047d34869f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe > I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi All, > > Anyone come across these? > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > > I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255579ea30645b047d34869f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-)

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
=A0
Anyone come across these?
=A0
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
=A0
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
=A0
73,
Lee M0LMH.
=A0



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--0003255579ea30645b047d34869f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.215]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-a97c4b50ec4312d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:29:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DCBC38000135; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVueg-0000ZD-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVueg-0000Z3-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuec-0003zZ-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1031706bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k5ChJaIAOsFQuz1wtwXBcx/RzDo0ZDhOBxMFZgrlKuY=; b=Grvg9wA6De6PxYa6+2VGgkRjimyhxJxJYpc6k1p+91RRaoGRMXvLTWcHLBvRX2F/QU PO4anVzf3d8FLL3d4hrHEkUXmlG0bjsQ5A0I/rmFdUbDHpIeVnKh2C8yuQQMwltEQREe ijwWryv5TUiuzf6vp9BcNeizc7tpepyoVNDMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZHkDhsvQd4FciNZqNiDIm51SxMpXwd1ljEYD8noj/sJxuoWM84mUY6GIu7HQTQrZBp BItgT796Jg08f5PgCPk8UCiJRArSOwd6VCKDeWtqALZDLftf+jw4rfYpG7b/NdAlnBFD PiEIy4rBsaczg+BE6J9s1R+oMEetAQ6gzQ2nc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.203 with SMTP id a11mr1607535bka.50.1263594504227; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001151428m723a4625h511be205a883af43@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b50ec416ef9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lubos, These are my unique reports in the last hour. I'm being heard! Good luck tonight. TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGridPwrReporterRGridkmaz 2010-01-15 22:02 G3XBM 0.503904 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 GM4SLV IP90gg 896 354 2010-01-15 21:38 G3XBM 0.503924 -15 0 JO02dg 0.001 G7NKS IO92ub 46 240 2010-01-15 21:38 G3XBM 0.503902 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 F5WK JN18hp 436 157 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -27 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL-SWL JO52hp 701 83 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -19 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0BMU IO91vr 69 210 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -21 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0LMH IO93gx 223 329 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503903 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 PA0A JO33de 417 73 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503899 -16 0 JO02dg 0.001 PA0AM JO11sh 248 114 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503915 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 OR7T JO20ix 337 113 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Victor, LF! > I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. > > 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 > 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? > > Lubos, OK2BVG > ------------------------------ > From: victor13@online.nl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 > Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test > > > Thanks for the report lubos, > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*Namens *Lubos OK2BVG > *Verzonden:* vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR_test > > Hello LF! > > 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 > 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > ------------------------------ > Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s > ten prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lubos,

These are my unique reports in the last hour. I'm= being heard! Good luck tonight.

= <= th>Reporter
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73s
= Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com<= /a>>
Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.
2150 -21 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503965=A0 0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154=A0=A0 8=A0= 1.5=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2200 -23=A0 0.3=A0=A0 0.503876=A0= 0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG
From: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test


Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
=A0
Victor
-----Oorspronkelij= k bericht-----
Van:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13=A0 0.4=A0=A0=20 0.503876=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4=A0=A0 0.503966=A0 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116=A0 10=A0 1.4=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7:= Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav= =FD?



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esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVlhB-0002Zc-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:54:35 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.6] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:54:25 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 12:54:25.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDE91260:01CA95E1] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_" Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices like pumps,= elevator motors, cranes etc. Very musical if listening on SSB and strong= enough. =20 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =20 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =20 Anyone come across these? =20 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =20 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =20 73, Lee M0LMH. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/=3D --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 
=
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SP= AM protection. Sign up now. =3D --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b57802e177; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:14:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0EFAF38000229; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXing-0000p8-78 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXinf-0000oz-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXind-0001N6-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KMD5W9003693 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:05 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c16.7b120d57 (37106) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229232080.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.232.80]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB084-90f24b577fea1ca; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <5238746462E1480FBF3092BBC6D58D0D@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> <8CC67DCBC2BEFD8-FB8-DB36@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <20100120123757.B0FCC31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100120123757.B0FCC31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b57802b4997 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Rik, same here: With XP I used the mixer sliders to connect "wave out" to= "stereo mix" input, but there seems to be only very limited and uncom= fortable level control under Vista. Someone mentioned that the "Virtua= l Audio Cable" software can do the routing but I haven't tried it yet. Best regards, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Hello Markus, all, a bit off topic: with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output to the inpu= t and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr. Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection= between audio out and audio in the only way ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote: ... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced severa= l spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! =20 73, Markus, DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 Thema: LF: Twente receiver Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I= hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (s= trong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Rik,
 
same here: With XP I used= the mixer=20 sliders to connect "wave out" to "stereo mix" input, but there seems= to be only=20 very limited and uncomfortable level control under Vista. So= meone=20 mentioned that the "Virtual Audio Cable" software can do the routing= but I=20 haven't tried it yet.
 
Best regards,
 Markus
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Wednesday, January 20,= 2010 1:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes= DX
=
Hello Markus,= all,

a bit off=20 topic:
with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output= to the=20 input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr.
Is there= a way to=20 do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection between audio out= and audio=20 in the only way ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 12:42= =20 20/01/2010, you wrote:
... and=20 connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots= from=20 WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus,=20 DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walt= er und=20 Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010,=20 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to= All who=20 realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many st= ns on MF -=20 EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great= =20 job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b43c82a28e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C2A5F380000A6; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIbi-0005bm-Em for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIbh-0005bd-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:33 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSIbf-0003zq-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:33 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so7513953fxm.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:x-goomoji-body:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9wk/3Hen5AplUC8olNKYKXof0Cl7OOzmhpmzeWNgC+U=; b=CCGeKODPu7JaEd5ZLZYi2Knt5rH4DKBF52B13vREsfrBXbLcy04Z7A/CYxdPYtc32o l8Ml0h0iO7+qWL6zasKaT2OwBp90PSWLj7gsNycMN9nKfW23nmTUIf6Z9TpY4kd6g6Q+ 6WhdDS0IoSPkRpQTvNUBu1O3G/ekFl7xOXQe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:x-goomoji-body:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b9bRIuQIZKmvayqVfEzkIz7WEOF2sYCLVNM00F8c6kAMr3UElemWhUCdW10S70FP1G wfAY5epPYV+vysGwNj/qo/VxK7T5phhk6u1KiMA51eZh7GWkMW8M9vRVuoUPxrAFZq4N 7fY+xssZMfX+L61lS//zqazK+ehOmG8l4lBUc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.204 with SMTP id t12mr988367hba.142.1262733264647; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001485f7d87caf7604047c72ff6f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b43c828516c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --001485f7d87caf7604047c72ff6f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e --001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side... Just got home from work (4 hours on a coach to do 50 miles, then 9 miles walk back home coz everything is stationary) Found the LF antenna sagging under 10cm of snow. Bashed the bulk of the snow off, but the last bit clinging to the top Tee is detuning. At least the Class A MOSFET is designed to work into complete mismatches and can take the abuse. [?] Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions --001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side...
Just got home from work (4 hours on a coach to do 50 miles,=A0then 9= miles=A0walk back home=A0coz everything is stationary)
Found the LF antenna sagging under 10cm of snow.=A0=A0 Bashed the=A0= bulk of the snow off, but the last bit clinging to the top Tee is detunin= g.
=A0
At least the Class A=A0 MOSFET is designed to work into complete mism= atches and can take the abuse.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s
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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E820A380000A4; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWE-0001Mc-GF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWE-0001MT-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJWC-0005m3-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D3E4700004D for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:37:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 81A9470000B4 for ; 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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b4b1bc6453f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including conducting technical investigations.... The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an addition to it. To me, radio communication means passing messages. 73 David G4DMP -- +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b4a0645334; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19ADC38000083; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU12p-0003XB-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU12o-0003X1-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU12o-0007x8-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFAEKUSUtcGmSh/2dsb2JhbACNVAbFGYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="303142461" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.26.100.161]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 16:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca9215$70751410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b4a064410f0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on 500 his fi= rst PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ now cq on= 500. plus others. OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 de mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: LF: 137.7 Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. Two DL stns and one F stn active at present. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO so= lid both ways=20 and PA0LCE on 500 his first PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W
Plenty of CW act on both bands at pre= sent. PA0AM=20 and LA3EQ now cq on 500. plus others.
OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7
de mal/g3kev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 3:36=20 PM
Subject: LF: 137.7

Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3.
Two DL stns and one F stn active at= =20 present.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-86034b59424c2af; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4AB038000087; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYCl7-0000ug-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYCl6-0000uX-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:40 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYCl3-0003B1-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:40 +0000 Received: from COL122-W65 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:12:29 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:12:29 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2010 06:12:29.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[E05F5930:01CA9B29] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_" Subject: RE: LF: Further DX reports from OK land X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b59424a0aee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! YES, my computer decoded your QRPP signal last night. I am glad! It means, that= I am able to see your signal repeatedly. Our first successful test was not a go= od luck only. =20 73! =20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 **************************** Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Further DX reports from OK land Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again: 2010-01-21 21:32 G3XBM=20 0.503906 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001=20 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102=20 2010-01-21 20:50 G3XBM 0.503908 -28=20 1 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG=20 JN88ks 1232 102 Thanks again Lubos! 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= meta name=3D"ProgId" content=3D"Word.Document">

Hello Roger, LF!

YES, my computer decoded your QRPP signal last night. I am glad! It means, that= I am able to see your signal repeatedly. Our first successful test was not a go= od luck only.

 

73!

 

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

 

****************************



Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000
F= rom: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subjec= t: LF: Further DX reports from OK land

Lubos is listening again on= 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again:

 2010-01-21 21:32 =  0.503908 
 G3XBM   0.503906  -26  0  JO02d= g  0.001 <= /font>  OK2BVG  JN88ks  1232  102 
 2010-01-21 20:50  G3XBM  -28   1  JO02dg =  0.001  OK2BVG   JN88ks  1232  102 

Thank= s again Lubos!

73s
Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www.youtube.= com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
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Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAko= ly. Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b3e4866231; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:09:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13E4938004401; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmkv-0001QE-Nx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmkv-0001Q5-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from mx7.mail.ru ([94.100.176.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQmkt-0005XK-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=42328 helo=EFREMOV) by mx7.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NQmkn-000N14-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:01:41 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B3E2FF8.20187.6DA323@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:01:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: XDV on 136.32kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b3e46ee378c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mike, LF, My grabber will not work some time - it is necessary to alter lengthening coil. HNY! 73 Andrey >I will beacon again overnight using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. The icy > and dry weather is very good for the antenna current which is 10% up > on normal, but it seems conditions were poor last night. > > I note that PA3CPM is still on 136.3182kHz. We were joined by OE5ODL > last night on 136.321kHz. > > Any DX listeners out there? Has anyone got a grabber on the Eu DX > window, apart from DF6NM and RN3AGC? > > Mike, G3XDV > ============ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD031-b974b4bafb87f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:09:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD091-b974b4bafb87f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:09:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTNW-0006kZ-22 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTNV-0006kQ-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:53 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUTNT-0004zF-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:53 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BN8ZjO001912 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:35 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c49.53c9a403 (43914) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC083-ab8a4b4baf6cbd; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:29 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Oh dear Mal! I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living in the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a legal or regulatory system. As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end in itself. You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance - I no longer have that excuse! On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did not > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g4gvw" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > > effective radiation. > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > > considered a "message"! > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > > listener under the regulations. > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > > addition to it. > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > -- > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b5833bf333; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:00:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5B9D38000134; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXukr-0004de-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXukr-0004dP-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXukp-0004dc-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWL001U0FUDBX@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:59:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:58:56 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 21-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1EP0lsT3XJRq/VKIMowo4Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b5833bd3511 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_1EP0lsT3XJRq/VKIMowo4Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RkzjZ11GqyxGyD/GN4IA4A)" --Boundary_(ID_RkzjZ11GqyxGyD/GN4IA4A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Joe,LF Nice capture and also audible, best 73s Henny pa3cpm. 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Hello Joe,LF
Nice capture and also audible,
best 73s
Henny pa3cpm.
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b=ALZLSNGKGueI9/om3fYH72nKyTuQ+UMtHq7/ms/nV78Ryz8IwiTX6fQN2YGHtMXt32 P3D1FuJNiZ5SzibDI5KaeXLtL+dsbo8xZhSkPauGpRDQ4zhGlgNMYrLzGnemmBAfj8kp E4wRiANtZz0qsnkFS+ZXbDo7IwiFRd2kFQrE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.26.2 with SMTP id d2mr1020815waj.14.1264080392239; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:26:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001210526n4c4e5d6di8ddd5067c11c96e0@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b58563f1f2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thank you for the report! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/19 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren, LF! > I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you used the lower power, > as you wrote to Andrey. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a6d4b4e47391f9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:21:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b4e47391f9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBZ0-0005Uq-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBZ0-0005Uh-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVBYz-0003qc-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3069C7B802A for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151CCF3863 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id EC91918056; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from 203.146-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (203.146-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.146.203]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 Message-ID: <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.146.203 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) All, 500kHz seems to be excellent again, VX9MRC is solid 559 here. Last nights WSPR: 2010-01-13 02:40 WD2XSH/10 0.503864 -22 0 EM95tg 2 SV8CS KM07js 8537 53 2010-01-13 01:00 WD2XSH/17 0.503892 -16 0 FN42pb 10 SV8CS KM07js 7421 59 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a6f4b50e8e155; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4b50e8e155; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:14:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuQn-0008Mw-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuQn-0008Mn-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuQl-0003p3-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 15571 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 22:14:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=ZsKl8jj8EWNcmQoMYVzaNu9Foj3R4qjtYO20+2cAptmQOL+5vE+S6z695GrbV/HNmkByGXeOpkV9l2wixXuhDIWBxNmcxwYnaQprdq+5S6h+G44iC6rLDlxqZa29QImYK3jGRvkBewVIqpfC93zV4QaBIlueee1Dp5emA59Zn4s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 22:14:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: zfOPvSYVM1lHouC2ghHclDlTUBHMSqmhe2FtTFIwP22hLqXEByGA1iGSoYz6uBOBNUyTWYCsxUyoqzq9losj55Qx2iCviH_a14_syKwGVyxZ7F0tyI0vOeatxzZoKe_LRxaF1uv32mmSOlHtdEppZpyJK6kmXs90Mw5v86oQm8ByZJb0rl5qq56uiHrU..fWn_WS1A.FbG4B3Q0lHLrVje2bN9AfO2M77SfxF8go X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzw DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5b04b4267a4340; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:12:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG031-5b04b4267a4340; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:11:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRv8U-0002Su-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRv8T-0002Sl-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRv8R-0005O2-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB79681B8 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <004901ca8d88$f417ce70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Andrey, I will transmit for another hour and go to bed then.The tx is to new= to leave it on all night unattended hi. 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:56 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Hello Victor, I observe 503100, there are no traces... The receiver will work up to the morning. 73 Andrey Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.124/2599 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 04/10 09:24:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB024-a1924b40ef5963; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A746D38000923; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRW11-0004jj-UP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRW11-0004ja-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRW10-0001in-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E85E40803C for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB14B0052 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48553495BB1 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 Message-ID: <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b40ee7275ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal, PA0A se= ems to have difficulties copying him. RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector members! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b42132dd8; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:11:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A469D38006DE7; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpV9-0008SC-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpV9-0008S3-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpV6-0003CN-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5DB4034F for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b42130e61e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-5ef64b59d945394; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 412DF3800012C; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYMp6-000291-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYMp6-00028s-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYMp3-0006GZ-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W19 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:57:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.42] From: Laurence KL1X To: , Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:57:18 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com>,<007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g>,,<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de>,,<20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2010 16:57:18.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4B62800:01CA9B83] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_" Subject: LF: WE 2 X PQ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b59d9430fc8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 WE2XPQ was testing overnight 137.7752 Khz DFCW + CW IDENT @12WPM and risin= g 0.1Hz or so "staircase" http://kl1x.com/staircase.jpg dot 60. Power was= just 1W into a short loaded vertical but sure was good to be getting some= RF running out for a change.=20 =20 I don=92t expect further transmissions or an increase in power for a "whil= e" as Im returning to work in OKlahoma :-( though I might sneak the trans= mitter in my bag and play with some part 15.. =20 Laurence WE2 X PQ Wasilla Palmer Alaska http://kl1x.com =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/=3D --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
WE2XPQ was testing overnight 137.7752 Khz DFCW + CW IDENT @12WPM and risin= g 0.1Hz or so "staircase" http://kl1x.com/staircase.jpg dot 60. Power was just 1W into a short loaded vert= ical but sure was good to be getting some RF running out for a change.
 
I don=92t expect further transmissions or= an increase in power for a "while" as Im returning to work in OKlahoma :-= (  though I might sneak the transmitter in my bag and play with some= part 15..
 
Laurence WE2 X PQ Wasilla Palmer Alaska
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Sign up now.= =3D --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4b64842e97; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5412B380000B1; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIgj-0003UW-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIgj-0003UN-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIgg-0002Z4-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20100130190845.EVAU8038.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:08:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id bv8k1d00L1p78xe05v8ljr; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:08:45 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=jMiB6A1_aHT_62d5v34A:9 a=6nl5VR9-kus7Y1qdDoMA:7 a=2lLzR_8S-FOOK4OCpYtUyVEMZCQA:4 Message-ID: <4B648439.8060907@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:49 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b64842d45b9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mike, I watched that range from 0100 to after your sunrise, and only saw a few hints of signal from Dave and you -- identifiable only by frequency, and not to be trusted! My neighborhood has gotten even noisier at night, but one can hope for miracles. John, W1TAG On 1/30/2010 12:56 PM, Mike Dennison wrote: > I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 > to 0900UTC. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-b5194b4f4eb4131; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41EDC3800004F; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT6L-0000uN-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT6L-0000uE-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT6H-0002Qc-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUtX1d0050QuhwU54V350p; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:05 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VV341d00W2DDHkk3NV34DC; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:03:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b4f4ea9290c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to work. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ____________ Jay, I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is N/S. I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. 73 Jim WD2XSH/35 K0HW ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b61f8fa2e7; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:52:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41C3238000098; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NabKU-0003vX-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NabKT-0003vO-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NabKQ-0002MW-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0SKp1Xt003744 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: RX-Loop Preamp with BF862 Thread-Index: AcqgLf4llbDn0No/QjCiWwOCCw3GBgAJZG3F References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.709;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.28.204233 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RX-Loop Preamp with BF862 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b61f8f80f2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, =20 Yesterday i have tested a new preamp for my RX Loop (44 turns, 85cm diamet= er, 3dB BW<1kHz) with the BF862 (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet= /philips/BF862_3.pdf ) that is very sensitive and especially designed for= AM car radios, so for short vertical antennas like we also use. Its equiv= alent noise at 100kHz is below 1nV/sqrtHz. =20 As you know i use a fiber optic cable to transmit the amplified signal to= the RX, to fully avoid coupling (galvanic, inductive or capacitive) of QR= M by the PC and all in the house to the antenna. The loop was mounted abt= 2m above ground, hung up on a tree, for testing. Since the fiber optic ca= ble does not affect the symmetry, there is no need for a symmetrical pream= p and no interaction with a coax. =20 The circuit is VERY simple and so i want to present it to you (professiona= l hand-made!), see picture. =20 Results were very promising. DCF39, the only signal that was available to= that short testing time was abt 80dB above noise (S9+10dB) and the backgr= ound noise @137,7 was now given by my RX, not by the antenna any more. =20 Length of the fibre optic cable was abt 20m (a fair distance to the house)= but i have also tried 30m without a relevant difference... =20 If it is interesting for you, i could create such a pretty drawing :-) of= the optic RX (also very simple) that transforms to LF again... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgIUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAHgAAAExGOiBSWC1Mb29wIFByZWFt cCB3aXRoIEJGODYyAAYJAQWAAwAOAAAA2gcBABwAFQAzAAEABABLAQEggAMADgAAANoHAQAcABUA MwABAAQASwEBCYABACEAAAA4ODNCNTUyMTNDMkUwMjQ5QjAwNDkxRjc0OUMxNEVCMgD5BgEDkAYA 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Hello Mike.LF
 
I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey
 
73s  HNY to All
henny pa3cpm


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--Boundary_(ID_RaXZt3/I2ossObpp+O9UYg)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA103-b5424b64b90b381; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DC7263800013D; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMD4-0004so-8g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMD3-0004sf-J3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:33 +0000 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbMD0-000456-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:33 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=39477 helo=EFREMOV) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NbMCu-0002Xh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:19:55 +0100 Message-ID: <00bd01ca9c7a$308f47c0$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: References: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 62 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b5b76573a95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Walter Your signal on WSPR mode: 2108 -24 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2118 -24 1.1 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2124 -26 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2126 -25 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2134 -24 1.0 0.505089 0 DI2AG JN59 27 73! Marcin SQ2BXI Dear MF, DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=6BX6 as amplifier, xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state amplifier. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.11]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-86154b644d8d372; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:17:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25E9F38000102; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF3j-0002w1-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF3i-0002vs-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:26 +0000 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF3g-0001P0-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:26 +0000 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so957277qyk.4 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OlEXHR2a2LGdM0KnxUzf3PVPRA9Or66cLOF3RolUfHA=; b=NBkl3UyaPikHvWn2pABmyyAeBFYsvKEhsxiB1CZucri2cMcspLc04Yk/2iTDxRtt7/ D6WGGaxyv5bT12+pvk/XJDvk0/jpCtbFGafSrSZscPj3LNWP61wC557GttG/9K3GF21u 2/G5Yk/1vap5DsP2lQUrX0/zXmyw+8A0VpPqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YIt+cpk3yXL1x6GJumBCzaRUQig1bQOMmCwjwDYkfHXmhX9Xo1l8bCfDtl1fusf517 Sjpwhpb8/2VTWZ3rIg9l1SPU4qyPbAFyS/3B/Ct9aNOLHsafkYNBz4tfJpNwkKDb1WiZ jD+I/Ww2QMQQ2JoBI1XUGBkVMhgFt6bhE9aVk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.34.223 with SMTP id m31mr974259qad.351.1264864576810; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001101caa19c$ea978890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B628BC8.5040701@mail.ru> <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> <001101caa19c$ea978890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001300716n108d5861q30f832605b1058b7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4b644d8c32b9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andrey, Thank you for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:10 AM, rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, Dmitry, LF, > >> Hi LF >> >> XGJ visible now in RA3 > > I confirm. > Capture 22.40-02.30 > >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b5c18fe227; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:55:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 354C03800011C; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYz9Z-0003H1-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYz9Y-0003Gs-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYz9W-0006LG-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwOAEunW0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYszBmEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="289405527" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 09:52:59 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: , Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJECT_NOVOWEL=0.131 Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b5c18fd3182 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50" ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All

 

I am running my= QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran= in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial fr= equency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will= run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non= qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.2= 2KHz

 

Modulation QRSS= 3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at= 50 Ohms

 

Total current= consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top= Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt=

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/= 10 19:33:00

------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50-- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ATT00010.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00010.txt" _______________________________________________ Knightsqrss mailing list Knightsqrss@cnts.be http://mail.cnts.be/mailman/listinfo/knightsqrss_cnts.be Knightsqrss clipboard http://www.on5ex.be ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b48a27f1fa; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:36:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 617B038000084; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdLg-0007Qz-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdLg-0007Qq-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdLe-0007dO-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEAC8xSEtcHEyX/2dsb2JhbACNTwbHSYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,247,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="413585002" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.76.151]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jan 2010 15:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9141$5d5f2a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:35:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: wspr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b48a27c0ce5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3XBM u are strong enough at -21 db for a solid QRS3 QSO others are ev= en stronger, and ideal for a CW qso. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3XBM u are strong enough at -21 db= for a solid=20 QRS3 QSO others are even stronger, and ideal for a CW qso.
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9db4b541d9ee7; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:37:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME097-9db4b541d9ee7; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:36:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWn55-0007S2-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWn54-0007Rt-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWn52-0003i6-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWF00FIKP6SSX@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:03 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <53EB242A46AA4CBB9D593B73683874BC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 18-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fAHQrFXcZYnNbb4mJ7cYvA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_fAHQrFXcZYnNbb4mJ7cYvA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA)" --Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 18-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren LF
capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b5a11a31d82 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sync = 21 That's more like it ! Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > Jim, LF, > > Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? > > Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. > Thanks for the 2 way. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 > 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO > 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 > 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 > 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 > 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR > 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 > 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT > 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 > 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK > 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 > 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT > 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 > > > ******************************************************************************* > > 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > > LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any >> decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I >> just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ >> calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > --001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sync =3D 21=A0=A0 That's more like it !
2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Jim, LF,

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ??

Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick.
Thanks for the 2 way.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.

202100 20 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
202300 15 =A0-14 -0.1 =A0-24 28 * =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202500 21 =A0 -6 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202700 21 =A0 -3 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202800 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0RRR =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
202900 21 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 27 * =A0 =A0 =A0 FB GARY 73 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203000 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A073 G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
203100 22 =A0 -2 =A00.0 =A0-24 30 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0FINALLY JIM SK =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
203300 13 =A0 -8 =A00.2 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203400 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TU DE G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
203500 21 =A0 -5 =A00.4 =A0-24 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0 HI HII =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0

*********************************************************************= **********

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

LF,=20

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcom= e any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last ni= ght. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operatio= n to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


--001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b4b54c9aa; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6605B380005C9; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044g-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044X-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUNJ6-0002Up-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQGAGrjSktOlzqW/2dsb2JhbACIJocqyQmELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="283193970" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.151.58.150]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 16:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b4b54c42c63 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did not apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > effective radiation. > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > considered a "message"! > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > listener under the regulations. > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > addition to it. > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > 73 > > > > David G4DMP > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-b5274b585a6d43; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:45:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5DE07380000E3; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXxKW-0005X4-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXxKW-0005Wv-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXxKT-0005rr-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so118377fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ijrNRhhr599cOJUnZp0mdgrY/QLVjKCPWIuOEIfIC2s=; b=ghW4PhCmnOJBIZayGw54H58LhJ9WkRaGZ1f/1/Hlk7nff1jA+ZnVsfndwASykxqKc3 0OWkM0MUWUDCVHJEab+KFwpTXt3Y3Ul+Vkck0rIFVQwY8y7b/pPCSljZBwFoYWKIVqWf MbZwjfWxsyU8b2HnfvreX9JYxUljB/t14Q93s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=g23X0ir69g9NkpJo00mmeF/lZhAM+/bV/n17HnZ0gNKEQG3zN5bp7LtaVkX361PVp+ gqxlkReoa3RTBvlEwanytd5z1yTnZmxEmSjFpYoJXiQPcay/NATYHglWbzpvX1C9uyzq rJltmjhItpD1acaqmIo0ZSDMCMB7NzfJi3u+U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.167.83 with SMTP id f19mr162775hbe.34.1264081441082; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b585a6b280a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re ERPs. I think mine is mostly right-ish. The antenna is a 7m high Te= e with a large top-hat, so its effective height is pretty much the same. = At a wavelength of 600m, that gives a radiation resistance of around 0.2 ohms. Load resistance of the whole antenna system is close to 50 ohms (very convenient that !!) and with 100 Watts pumped into it means ERP coul= d be 0.4 Watts or 26dBm. But there's a lot of wet trees and bushes around the antenna now, and Its quite reasonable to expect half the signal to be lost in them. When the weather improves, I'll go off and have a go at measuring accurate field strengths, but have gut-feeling I'm wihin 3dB of the estimate. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn > Hi Rik, > > This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP > last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for las= t > night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements done some tim= e > ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective heig= ht > and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to= 2mW > but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite lar= ge > error margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes= the > 1mW ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements si= nce > Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. > > What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That will > also have some effect on the relative levels. > > BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman'= s > Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) > stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was > 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe > > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, >> >> the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot= af >> data is available. >> I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web >> site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least= 2 of >> the 3 calls in the same time slot: >> I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 >> hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. >> >> * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roge= r) >> 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of >> 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and= 200uW >> =3D 7dB) >> >> * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of= Andy) >> 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy >> would run "only" 30mW ERP ? >> But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as >> well ... >> >> * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of And= y) >> Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) >> >> All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: >> >> Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. >> >> Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my >> QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. >> >> 73 >> >> *Eddie* G3ZJO >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot >> *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM >> >> Congratulations, "water pistol" >> 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG >> Hello Roger, LF! >> This moment is just now: >> >> 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >> >> 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 >> >> Congratulation! >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> ------------------------------ >> Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED in= formace. >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: >> 01/19/10 17:49:00 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re ERPs.=A0=A0 I think mine is=A0mostly right-ish.=A0=A0 The antenna= is a 7m high Tee with a large top-hat, so its effective height is pretty= much the same.=A0=A0 At a wavelength of 600m, that gives a radiation resi= stance of around 0.2 ohms.=A0=A0 Load resistance of the whole antenna syst= em is close to 50 ohms (very convenient that !!) and with 100 Watts pumped= into it means ERP could be 0.4 Watts or 26dBm.=A0=A0 But there's a lo= t of wet trees and bushes around the antenna now, and Its quite reasonable= to expect half the signal to be lost in them.
=A0
When the weather improves, I'll go off and have a go at measuring= accurate field strengths, but have=A0 gut-feeling I'm wihin 3dB of th= e estimate.
2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Hi Rik,

This is most= interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP last night, so= it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night. My ERP= was based on (a) field strength measurements done some time ago by M0BMU= and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective height and antenna= current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim se= emed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large error mar= gins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW ERP= is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim&#= 39;s last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago.

What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That wi= ll also have some effect on the relative levels.

BTW, Dom Baines M1= KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Eng= ineering Handbook (1948)
stated the maximum working distance for 1=A0kW 500kHz over salt water was= 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then!

73s
Roger= G3XBM




2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site= is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days= ) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill= to check how often I copied=A0 at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time= slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 ho= p ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.
* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor= of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8d= B between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 20= 0uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average differenc= e =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB,= so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJ= O: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )
All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congrat= ulations Roger.
=A0
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX= a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
=A0
73
=A0
Eddie G3ZJO
=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf= Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= br>Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
=A0
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortabl= e margin too.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>= ;
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0= =A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0= .5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

L= ubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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=A0<= br>
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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-865b4b40deeebf; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:16:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D459380000BA; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUyg-0003RU-5L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUyf-0003RL-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:57 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUyd-0001CR-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:57 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGAK9tQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLDYIJwV6EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="267754070" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:14:45 +0000 Message-ID: <006101ca8ca0$9d2abc00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <926747.2377.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b40deed09f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sri to inform you but most were within the UK allocation however that= matters not are they legal or otherwise operating around the 500 khz= allocation. Looks like PA0A is legal after some mis information from others. I was the first stn in the UK/EU area to work PA0A, his first QSO and= a first PA/G qso Worked at midnight 1st Jan 2010. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi Mal and LF I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside= the 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fu= lly licenced station within their own respective territories. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote= : From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the= acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or ot= herwise? g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations= we've been warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no= one called him although there were several on the band. Not a good id= ea to give Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence= to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wro= te: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agen= cy has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 60= 0m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA.= For those able to understand Dutch language the most recent official= publication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to= have been adequately informed about the process. It is not even clear= if notifications to participate in the experiment by individual Radio= Amateurs have already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested partie= s via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded belo= w and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an= act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequenc= y band without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' ye= t to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued= by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indi= vual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experi= ments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the= future will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the= fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' fi= rst-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlan= tic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radi= o piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and compliment= ed him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tenden= cy to repeat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozenda= mateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen vo= or radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken ge= maakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onde= rzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband= in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgeste= ld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebr= acht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC).= De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap= Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de ver= enigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap= Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunnin= g voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateur= zaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het ex= periment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunnin= g zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het exp= eriment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij= in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment= .=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergun= ning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehono= reerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend,= maken wij dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good= signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sri to inform you but most were withi= n the UK=20 allocation however that matters not are they legal or otherwise operat= ing around=20 the 500 khz allocation.
Looks like PA0A is legal after some= mis=20 information from others.
I was the first stn in the UK/EU= area to work=20 PA0A, his first QSO and a first PA/G qso
Worked at midnight 1st Jan 2010.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi Mal and LF
 
I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were ou= tside the=20 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure the= y=20 were all fully licenced station within their own= respective=20 territories.

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sun,= 3/1/10, mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

From:=20 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject:=20 Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 201= 0,=20 16:35

WHY so much fuss about this= station PA0A,=20 what about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS,= and=20 others. Are these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ---= --
Fr= om: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, Janua= ry 03, 2010=20 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal sta= tions=20 we've been warned about (see below). He was CQing la= st night=20 and no one called him although there were several on= the band.=20 Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not sure ho= w it would=20 affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= =20 petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders = <mis= an@xs4all.nl>=20 wrote:

F= rom:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re:= LF: PA0A=20 on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.n= l
Date:=20 Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13

To all LF,=
 
Please beware tha= t the official=20 Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published the iss= ue of=20 experimental licences for the 600m band tot= the Dutch=20 Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Du= tch=20 language the most recent official publication is= quoted=20 below. However not all their memebe= rs seem=20 to have been adequately informed ab= out the=20 process. It is not even clear=20 if notifications to participate in= the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have= =20 already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry= to inform all=20 LF interested parties via this reflector that= the=20 transmissions like the one recorded below&nbs= p;and and=20 therfore QSO's with PA stations may stil= l be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the&n= bsp;PA=20 stations, transmitting on an frequency band withou= t official=20 permission. It looks like it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit= official=20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities=20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual= Radio=20 Amateurs in writing about their participation= to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose= a starting=20 date somewhere in the future will=20 be in order, and not legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1= -2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs ha= ve a rich=20 history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the= 1920's=20 with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from= PA. The=20 Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio= piracy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and= =20 complimented him on his innovative achie= vement.=20 History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Bes= t=20 73's,
 
Michael Sanders,= =20 PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar to= egang tot 500=20 KHz voor radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het= =20 overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozend= amateurs=20 VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gem= aakt over=20 de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zu= llen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden= in deze=20 frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden= die voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De= =20 resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de=20 nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012= (NVC). De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen= bij=20 Agentschap Telecom.

Om het=20 onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de vereniging= en een=20 collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agents= chap=20 Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog= overleg=20 met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoo= rwaarden=20 voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn=20 inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA=20 besproken. 

Als=20 vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zi= jn de=20 verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het=20 experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateu= rs=20 informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele=20 deelname aan dit experiment. 
<= BR>Individuele=20 aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de= 500 kHz=20 zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden=20 gehonoreerd .

Zod= ra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit=20 bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

= =20

 
----- Original= Message -----=20
From:=20 = Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Fri= day, January=20 01, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject:= Re: LF: PA0A=20 on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must= be the=20 two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: UA9CS Thread-Index: AcqgjHQBjK49zEWZS5qwrUhYm6UW8AAS3dt3 References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <294710097.1264732537.160446436.49340@mcgi35.rambler.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.710;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.29.112127 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: AW: LF: UA9CS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0D8.D339A578" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b62cb1b343b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0D8.D339A578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roman,=20 =20 Tnx very much for your reply. Well, the distance to me is abt 3400km and= i am optimistic to reach that in DFCW3 or DFCW10, if necessary. Please,= can you ask him, if he is interested in a sked? I will try to get his sig= nal with my loop antenna but QRSS120 is difficult, since i am sitting in= my car on a hill, not at home on the TV with a glass of wine ;-) Could yo= u ask him if he wants to try to receive my signal? I wrote a mail to him= but got no answer. Perhaps the mail was lost in a spam filter? A sked can= only be relatively spontanous, since there must be wind for my kite anten= na... But if i could stay in email contact with him, it should be possible= . =20 mni tnx, Roman! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roman RW3ADB Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 03:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: UA9CS Hi Stefan, LF! UA9CS op.Igor from Ekaterinburg city over the Ural mountains, asiatic russia. We always know him here hi is a very famous op in SAT and in LF too. His signal "S" into mode 90-120-240 are visible so often in Moscow on the RN3AGC grabber. I copy his trace at once, but my rx condition more poor then Andrey's RN3AGC. I can re-send your message to Igor, he can't read RSGB I think. DFCW-3 impossible for your distance I think, his signal are not so strong in Moscow into mode 120/240. Start to SWL him, he is active every day by a beacon. Check his activity by the russian grabbers in Izhevsk, Asbest and Moscow. His signal visible 100% every day in Izhevsk and Asbest grabbers if that grabbers still working. 73! Roman * Stefan Sch=E4fer [Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:18:47 +0100]: > Dear LF, > > Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO > with him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and > already asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an > interesting LF web site and seems to be well qrv. 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<4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:30:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b5f6d677bfa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrey,=20 you're quite good here in Nuernberg, currently about 0.5 uV/m.=20 Good luck, Markus=20 (DF6NM in JN59NK) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rn3agc=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. 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Andrey,
 
you're quite good here in Nuernberg,= currently=20 about 0.5 uV/m.
 
Good luck,
Ma= rkus
 
(DF6NM in JN59NK)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rn3agc=
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 20= 10 7:34=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC

Hello LF,
Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90.
Start= at 21z.=20 Will work all night.
Reports are welcome!

73=20 Andrey

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.19]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b40d8d7263; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B66138001EA2; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUSY-0003BM-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUSX-0003BD-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Received: from web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUSX-0005Bp-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 24626 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 17:41:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262540500; bh=pY95P+6+iV5Q00z9s9zGjK+Vzy4TGSlfHTC2P9qYSsE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FV0XocuOxOVeeXAc2XGTM1BD+cUPcT/N3NlViZ9V9jUMINqXaFkz8n0sgvm1n3Z6guRru17/8PPy3dd95dFQ3qa9wHnWRxlmK48+0HvfqgGfA9NlA5OYMPi+4m/ODYBbm2qjJVPPd9iQOTukvuCejBqFNpXQaNRyo5zUxvir1GM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3texTuw7O9UfGomuRbfsoP0IxNfmQ7USaHe2jqZgZSWXLiLnH1vdqyhlMnJS7Yoc+HJQ7pWCH5Vs9ipp4I0SB38tWeiApnf3Vlw6zWT4O54x/wjGcebDjU2b1aYTHHkiTRKs83nDgoiXc7+RcViZsdxy8b82gupIGZZZWV2y3NM=; Message-ID: <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BkhOHE0VM1k2q4p6QbXWPjq1WNl_O6dI8CLi0eylzoxzcgXTFMUBKDc5Xu3G6w.wZNyxIuJICRkhgE8XRJCPpunfw7FMuJ7L7kDIjfaNKs566PWPGtwbjB4Av0d2RojBC6MiqV706ZD4ckw9iLwZeiJ_d0J94_6rDDPpRtoojtNEeUPW17MsPx41lKMode72.NJFC5ZXfLDUkrmDj4qYFJ_SAEnmuW4NLfYfTA0wQarmy1n7AgMs4hvNbQ2Nw2RQ1UjgH_rXu3rWjidW9qAB2w0- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:41:39 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b40d71440f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Rik =A0 May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing= SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2222= devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has prop= osed. =A0 Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe= whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted ....= but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? =A0 Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load diggi= modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh th= ats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists. =A0 73 HNY petefmt From: Rik Strobbe Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16 Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept= simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones= 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal=A0 cont= rolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driving the= mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low power asp= ect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use the readi= ly available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no brain sur= gery required. >=20 > 73 es GL petefmt >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >=20 > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >=20 > There is a way... >=20 > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. >=20 > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating= teh WSPR > message and the PIC code >=20 > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. >=20 > Perhaps there's a demand here... >=20 > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 >: >> Roger >>=20 >> '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' >>=20 >> That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf >> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 convent= ional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good >> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0 drive train , vfo=A0= controlled >> or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. >> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... >>=20 >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >>=20 >> Some suggestions: >>=20 >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of roo= m >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >>=20 >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>=20 >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 > >>>=20 >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0 =A0 ISWL G11088 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Rik
 
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x= 2n2222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM= has proposed.
 
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
 
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down loa= d diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW .......= . oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot.....  slapped wrists.
 
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven= .be>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January,= 2010, 17:16

Pete,

There is no need for linear amplificat= ion with WSPR, so things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kH= z WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz= and then divide by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and= pretty straightforward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be= to hard.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>:

>= Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal  co= ntrolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification  driving= the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the  Low po= wer aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.  Then use= the readily available Software that can be down loaded for  free....= no brain surgery required.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> ---= On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>= From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January,= 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way...
>
> If you ca= n arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the
> four WSP= R tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
> This= could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the
> other, giving a 2-bit D/A= converter, controlling a varicap on the
> oscillator.
>
&= gt; Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive.
> See =   www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP   for details of generat= ing teh WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The design= in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
> with som= e trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
> standalon= e manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there's a demand here.= ..
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC
>= ; http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog could be= written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
> port and PIC= based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
&= gt;
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
> This email has been= scanned for damaging side-effects by the health
> and safety police= , is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to
> health, but= may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions
>
>= ;
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham  <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.= uk>>:
>> Roger
>>
>> '''  More= people should use WSPR - '''
>>
>> That's not as = easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audi= o to  rf
>> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fin= e  if you have a  conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that= works down to  500/137 ...No good
>> if you  have divi= ding logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo  controlled
&g= t;> or PIC based without the  'ability'  to  run a wspr&= nbsp; generating  code set ..
>> Its a  good  poin= t worth making though ...
>>
>> G..
>> From:= Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
&= gt;> To:  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<h= ttp://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>> Mal,
= >>
>> Some suggestions:
>>
>> More people should use WSPR -= lots of stations (more than 100 at a time
>> based on 10MHz usag= e) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
>> of= the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station
>>= performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty of ro= om
>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversat= ional modes.
>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to= use it (not UK), is of
>> interest to me as a listener, but I ag= ree that it's not a good idea to use
>> this mode when the band= is open for really long-distance DX if interference
>> to weak= signals is likely.
>> You should try a New Year resolution: "I= will be more tolerant and moan
>> less".
>>
>>= ; 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
>>
>&g= t; Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 201= 0/1/2 mal hamilton  <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.mai= l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net>>
>>&= gt;
>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading= over 3 kcs wide and
>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is cau= sing QRM to those of us trying to
>>> listen and work the East= Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>>> station is= licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
>>> Th= e 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.
>>> Does anyo= ne else have an opinion?
>>> G3KEV
>>>
>>= ;
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------------= ----------------
>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk<http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/= >
>> G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11= 088
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
&= gt;




=20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5fa4b596be231f; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:12:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4b596be231f; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:12:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYFXe-0001Jd-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYFXe-0001JU-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYFXb-0003MF-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD3F51C01E for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4953C31E702 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:28 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ERP<>EMRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_92078544==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_92078544==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, Stefan, the theoretical values are: isotropic antenna: 0dBi / -2.15dBd (directivity =3D 1) half wave dipole: 2.15dBi / 0dBd (directivity =3D 1.64) short dipole: 1.76dBi / -0.39dBd (directivity =3D 1.5) quarter wave vertical monopole: 5.16dBi / 3dBd (directivity 3.28) short vertical monopole: 4.77dBi / 2.64dBd (directivity 3) This values assume free space for the dipoles and=20 a perfect (conductive) ground plane for the=20 monopoles. And no losses (greenery, buildings). For a certain area in north-east England these values are +/- 100dB For calculating the (theoretical) EIRP one need=20 to take the dBi values or the directivity For calculating the (theoretical) ERP one need to=20 take the dBd values or divide the directivity by=20 1.64 (there comes Stefan's 1.83 =3D 3/1.64) For calculating the (theoretical) EMRP the=20 reference is a short monopole, one need to take=20 the dBi-4.77 or dBd-2.62 values or divide the directivity by 3. So EIRP gives the "best" values, that's why=20 manufacturers of inferior antennas often give dBi=20 values on their prospects but mention just dB ;-) An easy way to add a good 2dB to the gain. 73, Rik ON7YD At 09:32 22/01/2010, you wrote: >Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the equati= on. >I^2.R is the actual power radiated. >Which direction it then goes is a different issue. > >Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ? >A very short dipole has 1.5 times=20 >directivity. Therefore a short monopole over=20 >perfect ground ought to have 3 times. Neither of which is 1.83 > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > >This email has been scanned for damaging=20 >side-effects by the health and safety police, is=20 >guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to=20 >health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > >2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 ><schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de> >Hi Andy, > >Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? > >73, Stefan > >________________________________ > >Von:=20 >owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20 >im Auftrag von Andy Talbot >Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? > > >So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact=20 >figure derived from basic electromag theory) and=20 >Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficie= ncy. > >Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. > >Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is=20 >the effective height of the antenna used to get=20 >Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever=20 >lead to 6dB error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top= hat > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > > --=====================_92078544==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, Stefan,

the theoretical values are:
isotropic antenna: 0dBi / -2.15dBd (directivity =3D 1)
half wave dipole: 2.15dBi / 0dBd (directivity =3D 1.64)
short dipole: 1.76dBi / -0.39dBd (directivity =3D 1.5)
quarter wave vertical monopole: 5.16dBi / 3dBd (directivity 3.28)
short vertical monopole: 4.77dBi / 2.64dBd (directivity 3)
This values assume free space for the dipoles and a perfect (conductive) ground plane for the monopoles. And no losses (greenery, buildings).
For a certain area in north-east England these values are +/- 100dB

For calculating the (theoretical) EIRP one need to take the dBi values or the directivity
For calculating the (theoretical) ERP one need to take the dBd values or divide the directivity by 1.64 (there comes Stefan's 1.83 =3D 3/1.64)
For calculating the (theoretical) EMRP the reference is a short monopole, one need to take the dBi-4.77 or dBd-2.62 values or divide the directivity by 3.

So EIRP gives the "best" values, that's why manufacturers of inferior antennas often give dBi values on their prospects but mention just dB ;-)
An easy way to add a good 2dB to the gain.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 09:32 22/01/2010, you wrote:
Well, yes it is I suppose= if you lump antenna directivity into the equation. 
I^2.R is the actual power radiated.
Which direction it then goes is a different issue.
 
Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ?
A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity.  Therefore a short monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times.  Neither of which is 1.83

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer < schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
Hi Andy,

Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna?

73, Stefan

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot
Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please?


So go on:  argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficiency.

Or  ERP =3D   I^2 . Rrad   where I is measurable.

Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB error.  The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat

Andy
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--=====================_92078544==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI042-eac34b50ad1c225; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:59:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8A776380001B1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqRv-00032G-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:59:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqRv-000320-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:59:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqRu-0001Hx-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b50ad1a1feb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Nor here, seems to be a local thing 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-8e24b4c5c833a2; 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Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:26:08 +0000 Message-ID: <004001ca937a$0143e380$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:25:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Andy, Johan The Class E AM guys do this. The amplifier below will do 500 watts at carrier and 150%+ modulation effortlessly. http://www.classeradio.org/class_e_8_fet.pdf Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan H. Bodin" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:56 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m > Hi Andy, > > I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as > expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it > shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical > design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. > Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the > matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. > The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having > half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). > > Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > Andy Talbot wrote: >> All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) >> I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. >> >> Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the >> latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel >> - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power /per-se/. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b633e1e3d3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:59:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A9B3380000C9; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nawyh-00084U-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nawyg-00084L-SP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:02 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nawyd-0003Uh-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:02 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43164 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NawyX-000JEc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:57:53 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005d01caa11d$55a87f70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:57:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b633e1a7128 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Stefan, Idea excellent! But to make it is unreal. I do not have possibility to do any changes in the aerial. If suddenly with the aerial something happens also it will break, I will make the new aerial a double wire. And fortunately, the aerial becomes covered by ice infrequently. By the way, the ice layer this time was absolutely small. There were cases that the wire became covered by ice till the thickness of 12 mm :) Thanks! 73 Andrey Hi Andrey, Perhaps it is an idea to use 2 wires in parallel as the antenna wire. If you connect the two wires together at the end, you have the possibility to fed a DC current to the wire to melt the ice. A few Volt and a few Ampere should be enough, so not much power waste. It could be fed by a standard AC-decoupling network or can be injected during the TX breaks of your beacon by a relay (or it can be done by hand from time to time ;-) ). So you could avoid the crash of your wire... What do you think? ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von rn3agc Gesendet: Do 28.01.2010 16:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce > power. > Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. > Power 5 W. > Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. > > Thanks! > > > 73 Andrey > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-8bf84b4ceb16353; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1EAA38000113; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoNR-0001sD-Eb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoNR-0001s4-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUoNO-0003Nm-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 97452 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 21:34:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Importance:X-MimeOLE; b=UqJNIWpCFg3lKP2ydqezkggNQHKAbAKgiCLT3G4jaxDPPZ5heNZwgjQjwvznGcwHX1OhAyq0ZTcIAYVpWsNKPknVwta3eFijzhDufLD+cbtC7TZH51TPy8IOjEuVaz6ug8HHR9DOYWGaDQ8+psoKKF7touUeDLmhxGRJ0GWSFCg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.121.201 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 21:34:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: ExKD7wMVM1ldEuJQ8KrY5jY3b33MTzAk7DZ4Pzj8fdsvknpHp8UieHmeBdUi..p9_l8qF_fbjF6opl1TgTp0VYcLl2tDcKNtmbfJlaOoKfx3Imbtx67Eutr_TlfG.qs6VbMcbLCR2VeFU.yDM6dWUJzXSqLJDgNQMLXAe1uJ.PsTV9XoXSDtK_WZQa5Xx60gOnpIXEdh3C4OF7NF9E.F80HinkWyes6qNPtrlyL60fTHIBPC7A7A53IaJHVUAj8O X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA93CF.02435180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b4ceb143c56 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA93CF.02435180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. 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To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:49:00 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqfmlAGT2VFQAU0QayGedsdGkxuJAAADkjc Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop>,<1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b60b5374a69 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, you are good copy here (-18dB). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal syn= c but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn > Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is= addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you= are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not= read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is= not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the te= xt to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short pe= riod say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so= in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim,
 
you are good copy here= (-18dB).
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
 
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Jim,

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a= signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up.=

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net">james.cowburn@virgin.net>= ;

Hi Gary

 

Just got two= decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replie= d with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best reg= ards=

 <= /p>

Jim

 <= font color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial">Dr. James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue" lang=3D"DE"><= /p>

 

The information transmitted is inten= ded only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidenti= al and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read th= is message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email= is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT<= br> Sent: 27 January 2010 21:0= 3
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500= kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy fo= r answering Rik's query.

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call= so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a= report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce= the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200= mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO= 83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.=

But the signal is clearly audible, CW= would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A= produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 jan= uari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4= A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial freq= uency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 


--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b5cc3ee18e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A11DA38000089; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAYZ-0002Db-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAYZ-0002DS-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml110.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAYX-00037C-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML110.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: "henny van elst" To: References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <004801ca9d1c$343a6dd0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:03:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 22:03:40.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F8C360:01CA9D41] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Re: YO 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b5cc3ec149c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Andrey, henny cpm 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: "rn3agc" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: YO 24-01.jpg > Henny, > > "PW" at the top - UA3PW > > > 73 Andrey > >> Hi LF, >> Capture ra3yo >> henny pa3cpm >> best 73s > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2641 - Release Date: 01/23/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5bb4b60ae8f1f0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:23:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG042-5bb4b60ae8f1f0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:22:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFKJ-0005EZ-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFKJ-0005EQ-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFKG-0006oq-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4092492pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rd7eX6+yoeFz9BOzWyGvJnqYmE/4WTalObHU63OdgrA=; b=UxScjH2IyYkQLNrEoSDCFQCBqhQj+jRxJTCpDBmN2TJ73iHnlSo6N/OLbnt4y7QTyl ihZKC7trRsAQDlK48SQ/R/1neLvWEgsSzh5W0QSzwkKo1+ikVpmcd1VInXQnMyWn0fYD 6WrB2a37lfhSrUfIT9eGprS/EAQxb90LR23eQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ORPSROx2Gr9kpWgVqM4ax40/Je8EQlYDHCRnbKQ1/SqevKxD+gVUznDtpifYk1R0rP 9r5c5W5QRxJkoOMxkiqJH1I8T/lf//zPwMsmzJvcjDyjdh/7wvuXfIA4ilCiKu7qvw4v l/zreTjbGxanwvdPTVQPUc2ZWOPWIf9iefqVU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.35 with SMTP id g35mr6507906rvb.7.1264627276979; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:21:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:16 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 103d754684c23f79 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271321m4bad2046r36f11fe9e3bd8c62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, Thank you for your report, I have just changed the message to a beacon typ= e instead of CQ as there were no replies on air. I will continue to welcome reports. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Beckmann, Gerhard > Hello Gary, > > > > =85.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM! > > > > 210200 8 -21 1.1 -11 29 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *Im Auftrag von *Gary - G4WGT > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 20:33 > *An:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Betreff:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > > > LF, > > > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB= . > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard,

Thank you for your report, I have just chan= ged the message to a beacon type instead of CQ as there were no replies on= air.

I will continue to welcome reports.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


2010/1/27 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de&= gt;

Hello Gary,

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= =85.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM!

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2= 10200=A0 8=A0 -21=A0 1.1=A0 -11 29 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CQ G4WGT IO83=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0= =A0 0

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v= y 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI (JN59LN)

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Von:<= /span> ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org= ] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4W= GT
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Jan= uar 2010 20:33
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

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LF,

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Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial fre= quency 502.300 kHz USB.

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73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


--000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b5ba4de2a2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:39:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19ECC380000B3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYrQe-0001UP-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYrQe-0001UG-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYrQb-000788-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkHAL8zW0tZ8cDw/2dsb2JhbAAth3zMXYQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,332,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="437559374" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.192.240]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 01:38:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b5ba4dd1997 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave= inv L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX= . RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W= . QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH ar= e underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear= what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? Wh= at about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you= gave me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is al= ways VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW= simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visib= le with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in= the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals= are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not gett= ing any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrot= e: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed= for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antis= ocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA= is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR ha= s more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandw= idth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N.= The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing me= ssage contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction ,= sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but= could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If= JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peop= le like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more= and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrot= e: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be= one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves= it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, be= ing heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of= those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the= WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know= to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwi= dths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I thi= nk I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF,= HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are= , as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKn= n without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and= seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use= on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to aba= ndon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder= routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A.= We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spa= cing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal= still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, th= e 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Sco= tland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sign= als - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there= be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms= will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to hea= lth, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to= JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I= have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b44e0b9206; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:12:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9068A38000115; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbIV-0007tU-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbIV-0007tL-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSbIT-0006rE-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIEAFRvREtOlvoh/2dsb2JhbACNRQbFUYQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="410012708" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.250.33]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 19:11:51 +0000 Message-ID: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:11:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b44e0b72cf1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST= on 500 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ= then test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. Has anyone worked him yet ? Active now at 1710z G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Am I the only station in EU hearing= this beacon now=20 sending 12TH TEST on 500
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 06,= 2010 5:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS<= /DIV>

New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil&nbs= p;El Haj Is,=20  near Yemen I think,  CQ then test.Good signal=20 here 569 taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
 &nb= sp;
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9ad4b438a3f3d8; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:51:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME041-9ad4b438a3f3d8; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:51:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSEUB-0004Z8-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSEUB-0004Yz-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSEUA-0007hm-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A79A4080CB for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354D64B004B for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2448B495BD3 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 Message-ID: <1262717424.4b4389f0204bd@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: PA0AM (439) and OZ8NJ (599) in QSO on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20100105 1840UTC: Receiving PA0AM and OZ8NJ in QSO on 502.5kHz. PA0AM is 319 to 439 and OZ8N= J is a big 599 signal. RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins ANT: Resonated inv-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-8bf94b5b0410249; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9EDE3800007A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgin-0005Vh-BY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgim-0005VY-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgik-0003Xk-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B5D7B802A for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5620731E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 15E4818056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5b040e645c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the =20 current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the =20 tophat works well and the effective height will be more or less the =20 physical height. The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 =20 A a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently), =20 probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > All, > > Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =20 > classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =20 > antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =20 > about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I =20 > assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna =20 > current is 0.12A. > > My results are as follows: > > Assumed effective height 5m ERP =3D 1.53mW > Assumed effective height 4m ERP =3D 0.98mW > Assumed effective height 3m ERP =3D 0.55mW > > So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad =20 > estimate, and it may indeed be lower than this figure. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b5a2f1a363; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E0D138000141; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSXb-0004Su-Gf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSXb-0004Sl-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYSXZ-0001Q3-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jan 2010 23:03:39 -0000 Received: from p5DD357F1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.87.241] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 00:03:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19D1Zk6ZlFDgV2H5MOzsrx48+mNvpoq4+hdP+KxZg 2vLMN1+yfzzKTC Message-ID: <000e01ca9bb7$22321b30$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <004101ca9b7f$679af1c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:03:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55000000000000004 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b5a2f1852f2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, WE2XGR/6 should correct his indicated frequency. Under http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/activity it is "0.510667 MHz" but actually it is 0.511500 MHz according to most spotters especially= those who are known for consistently precise frequency readouts like e.g. M0BMU. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR > Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR tonight and tomorr= ow night on 510 kHz dial=20 > USB. We > appreciate the continued monitoring by a number of station during ev= enings this week. At QSB=20 > peaks > the signals have been quite strong at distances of 3000+ miles sugge= sting even much more=20 > distant > receptions are possible. We're hoping additional stations will have= a chance to monitor this > weekend. > > All reports, no matter the distance, are always appreciated. They ca= n be sent direct or=20 > entered > automatically as 'spots' in the WSPR.net database. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.730 / Virendatenbank: 271.1.1/2636 - Ausgabedatum: 01/21/= 10 08:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-85f54b5b2989170; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F09CD3800019D; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjDn-0006Wx-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjDm-0006Wo-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:26 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjDj-0006hr-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:26 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1773162bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cxCvmKG84AxCwXEFzOUc6DtPUphZhK3He8uXLkbEhLQ=; b=gSI8V5TI1c7ijIhtXV2gZluO2cUHn2jMsWZoFHPLu5ZC4aKg8PAdJXQYGF25Xluav4 /uum1td0d44v+bgLReFFs8NczU5rGyTB/o+gBDssO+/DSu1ao03VmQfRAf9zj2sV+vAu ZpMMwM340HC+8IkhCwjL9j9dkKj9cFPDrpAmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hubEB8HPCKKqV67IkXd4yrt+b4q8gGid3DpLYHeIUFJ3SAukQVdSBk0AKBHNE33yBu V8nXI/EMX/XJOF/iBfC8qj+wD5nFqa2updZBc+OrMEbaSxtUgW4QpqJv8WL9aYZi1UKR W3Khl24n4WP78qH7xFCRJm0J77w/IbDZmOae0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.79 with SMTP id u15mr2505340bkf.117.1264265536730; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:52:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5b29862b2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: > After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for > 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial > (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a > low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... > > To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put > the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more > to offer anyway. > > Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth > change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The > coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference > should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message > contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync > and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > >> Thanks for this help Andy. >> >> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>> get it going is in there. >>> >>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>> >>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >>> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>> >>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >>> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>> >>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >>> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >>> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>> >>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >>> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >>> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >>> be lost for the duration? >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>> >>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>> >>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>> >>>> 73s >>>> Roger G3XBM >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not ge= tting any decodes yet.

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--0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.130]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b524c2312b; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:30:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 331BF380000BB; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWI5F-00061e-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWI5F-00061V-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWI5D-0005D6-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0GNTSn9011994 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:29 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:28 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:28 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: next /p acty Thread-Index: AcqW7bo7NUtWKioHT/2kD6FQRKeUiwAFN0N1 References: <1263674804.5160.15.camel@gerhard-desktop> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.681;16.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.16.231817 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9703.BF28FC0C" Subject: LF: next /p acty X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b524c223fdb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9703.BF28FC0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group,=20 =20 There was poor wind the last days but tomorrow in the afternoon (starting= abt 16 UTC) it could be enough and so i will try to be QRV /p in JN49IS= again. 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Nothing seen so far. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA073-a8e4b50ae402b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:05:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA096-a8e4b50ae402b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:04:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqWe-0003Ph-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqWe-0003PW-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqWd-0001P5-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.85]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0842C2D7D for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DE107C9C for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-075-021-117.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.75.21.117]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BB4E32C2E05 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:52 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-03.arcor-online.net BB4E32C2E05 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1263578633; bh=YYN2MQNZB2RZfVxoSMG/Xrx5exKJHgeL4F25DFKhdT8=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ptpRCooj1EejLtSFTsf9f+gP2MjJh/q3KtacGGIkufx23/yMvDk0rPeKQPZjllBPb RGdnhAf8QVGdV6yPaa9ml0KzNeUAhLhwFSbBhGJL7aa36kpCWuhvwDiXN/K+8J/859 UzvKHA1t8qg/QsfKT+GdxWlaeUax3dTta06DlBec= Message-ID: <9038BFA7619D408AA72BB2168826BAB2@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:03:46 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: g3xdv qso Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA960D.154C1790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : arcor.de DKIM : fail X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA960D.154C1790 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike, LF nice signal in jo51tq, tnx for the nice qso, HNY. 73 Ed DL2HRE ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mike, LF
 
nice signal in jo51tq, tnx for the ni= ce qso,=20 HNY.
 
73 Ed DL2HRE
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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger When the wx improves I was thinking of putting up an inv V dipole for= 500 at between 100 and 120 ft is my max height. This would have a lot= more gain than my inv L at the same height. The down side would be mo= re high angle radiation because of the low height relative to waveleng= th. It would be good for local working but not the DX, too many hops, how= ever it might be worth trying. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Mal (et al) Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom thi= s is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up= a corner of a garden.=20 For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el= beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX= CZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V= design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
When the wx improves I was thinking= of putting up=20 an inv V dipole for 500 at between 100 and 120 ft is my max height. Th= is would=20 have a lot more gain than my inv L at the same height. The down side= would be=20 more high angle radiation because of the low height relative to= =20 wavelength.
It would be good for local working bu= t not the DX,=20  too many hops, however it might be worth trying.
 mal/g3kev
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 4:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500=

Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher= than our=20 local church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA= there will=20 be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long ant= enna would=20 only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas,= see also=20 the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated= http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA.=20 Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
= Roger=20 G3XBM


2010/1/14 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole=20 on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b65fade1c4; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:49:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA67338000086; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhdr-0000hu-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhdq-0000hl-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:38 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f190.google.com ([209.85.222.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbhdn-0002TG-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:38 +0000 Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so3368201pzk.4 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QWE37F65EZqDYzs2ODSAGwPYw295bNxxyLv7a3VIf8c=; b=C89BHPfE/SE6Badpc01cwvfXjfoU1V8BQZwdlhdISjtqrx1CTrsguVIWVitHdRpp5g CdrtflWPlmLivBmipSn6ZrFYnq/QqhsKaszvL0s1fmQGJh1MjO6yof3MQIa/n9Eo4dRo OLNh/EpFTzo12KeLZ5WYj/xroQDV4zS9Vgkb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Kue1vtZB6iSrhov2dFfqXP0XvYeTdyDkRHVRd6F4Obpus+tJ8xISrzyFEa95HHNIIG YH1dzEFgdNd8NuMu8Nq5GWVJpzVfwECR8pUUkDJNWMXoeKASMBoR10g7+1C5UkYCdnAo 8CzIy608Gl2wOmBDKMbcUmtpm7X9wine3tCcQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr2564268rvi.58.1264974447682; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:27 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33f8aacfee8e6f53 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b65fadc508f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus had grea= t success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not so. Thank you for your report & comments. I will be closing down about 2200utc. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz wrot= e: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: > > > > {10}Test transmission from G4WGT > > Locator IO83qo > > Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts > > ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW > > > Mode and station control by SpecLab > > Test de G4WGT > > > > To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the cen= ter > frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as the= RX > frequency. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" > To: "LF Group (RSGB)" > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM > Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > > > LF, >> >> I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. >> The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. >> > > > --000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim,

Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bi= t of juggling. Marcus had great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn&= #39;t say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would= easily get 100% but not so.

Thank you for your report & comments.
I will be closing down about 2200utc.

Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.
On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
After post= ing that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty= cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial (certai= nly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more importantly, as my PA is a low= efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WS= PR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a band= width change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in= S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth= difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 Th= e differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the same= algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this= help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500= kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged time= s or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really= weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with= initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked= on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the hel= p files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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On 31= January 2010 20:48, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>= wrote:
Dear Gary, LF Group,

This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc:



{10}Test transmission from G4WGT

Locator IO83qo

Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts

ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW


Mode and station control by SpecLab

Test de G4WGT



To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the cente= r frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as the= RX frequency.



Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk><= br> To: "LF Group (RSGB)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08


LF,

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.



--000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA061-b5284b4f961717; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A1D75380000AD; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXqo-0003Jr-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXqo-0003Ji-6o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXql-0008MH-Vq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 23698 invoked by uid 507); 14 Jan 2010 23:07:07 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 23:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <201001142307210931.0963EDD2@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:07:21 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b4f9614738d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I once worked out that Grande Gr=E8ve Bay between Great Sark and Little Sa= rk could have accommodated a 3 element beam for topband, pointing NW. =20 73 John F5VLF sometime GC3PAI/A *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 14/01/2010 at 16:35 Roger Lapthorn wrote: >Mal (et al) > >Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) > >Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is >indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corne= r >of a garden. > >For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam >antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJV= A. >Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? > >Best 73s >Roger G3XBM > > >2010/1/14 mal hamilton > >> Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design= , >at >> a modest height around 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> > > > >--=20 > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-85e54b654509243; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 593AA3800010A; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVXI-0007Y0-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVXI-0007Xr-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVXG-0005Xg-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX3005ZGSM4EY@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:51:40 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:51:37 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0A6DFF5EF8924A7B89C2B0D25308D247@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 31-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+jI3h9moolJOp9dxFfCUZA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b65450754fa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_+jI3h9moolJOp9dxFfCUZA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xIh0dSMaWb50t6edNkWlDA)" --Boundary_(ID_xIh0dSMaWb50t6edNkWlDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Capture VX9MRC 507.77Khz. 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Hi Joe,LF
Capture VX9MRC 507.77Khz.
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b5a1f8a0d03 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The JT4A transmission from M0BMU is now QRT - thanks for the reports. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-5eab4b5042b21cb; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A1993800005F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjMG-0006cw-Uh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjMG-0006cn-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVjMD-0001NS-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so206667pwj.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:24:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bvKa/cKevRow9y59JwkQ6fV3YoQ9FHj2qfj0B0I/ebs=; b=i7LyjPHkymvZrrv0UtwdRH0+U464rxC3w+/2EdulT/ngIwLkq1HILDEYJKb8KkGkPl 2MJomrHUY27Uwqtpbxv3KtJsuZQvptzdHsOtTdrHdwod/+tnkM9dDwokJgH1LWgSyrE8 roKEEayMfxZCw8IrRHIWb8BHbMpobjB0pG2Cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=eTPHWiyTknJouBy5viyuSLnpIWJDgZ3a3Zwh8bB6CoTHGvrcLm8+W4xss/ul1lFAQP AF4Gx2OMddQWmLhEPz+BFQ/STQDbLc4OxppLSF+8kTVveJ5IN0M26bCbKDZf4KgdDUxm 4R3/hLEyOLupTKUvGveDO77XcPsGfQHTUSelA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.107.14 with SMTP id j14mr1583474rvm.271.1263551076796; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:24:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 647837d1d456123b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b5042b100ab X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roman, LF, I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum line that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a repeated 1 minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken into 1 minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box for clearer display. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > Hi Gary, LF! > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. > Is't real to be an NDB ID. > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. > > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]: > >> Hi All at LF, >> >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. >> >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios >> using >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a >> > couple > > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? > That signal is absent today on the grabber. > > of >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet >> > it > >> was >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. >> >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the >> signal >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had >> disappeared as well. >> >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound >> > card > >> is >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> > Hi Tracey, >> > >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following >> > UNID > >> :- >> > >> > >> >> 498.7< > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > > > >> > *NT* 0 UNID >> >> XUU > >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID >> when/if >> > it gets strong enough. >> > >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner >> > >> > Hello Gary >> >> >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there >> are a >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> >> >> Tracey >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at >> about >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At >> > times > >> there >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which >> looks >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB >> on that >> >> frequency. >> >> >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz >> either >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the >> > HF > >> side of >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be >> >> interested. >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi LF! >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roman, LF,

I realise I have resolved the issue of the= "signal" but the spectrum line that appeared at the bottom of= the display looked like it was a repeated 1 minute segment. It was in fac= t a continuous signal which was broken into 1 minute lengths by the time= label at the bottom which is in a black box for clearer display.

73,=A0Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
Hi Gary, LF!
TNX to all for the details and participation in identification.
I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute.
Is't real to be an NDB ID.
Some time he was like a carrier on the screen.

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]:
Hi All at LF,

Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz.

The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" ra= dios
using
my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a
couple

Do you tried to rx today or yesterday?
That signal is absent today on the grabber.

of
NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet=
it
was
there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber.

My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the signal
not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had=
disappeared as well.

You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound
card
is
an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

> Hi Tracey,
>
> Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following=
UNID
:-
>
>

498.7<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=3Dsignal_list&fil= ter_khz_1=3D498.7&filter_khz_2=3D498.7&limit=3D-1>
> *NT* =A0 0 =A0 UNID

XUU<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/= ?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_itu=3DXUU>
> =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28
> Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID
when/if
> it gets strong enough.
>
> 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>
>
> =A0Hello Gary
>>
>> Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
>>
>> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
>>
>> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that= there
are a
>> good number of unid NDBs in that area.
>>
>> Tracey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8
>>
>> Hi Roman, LF,
>>
>> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.
>>
>> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at
about
>> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning.= At
times
there
>> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whi= ch
looks
>> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an= NDB
on that
>> frequency.
>>
>> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a= few kHz
either
>> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the=
HF
side of
>> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be=
>> interested.
>>
>> 73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi LF!
>>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8= kHz?
>>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt5= 00-4.jpg
>>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/cap= t500-4.1.jpg
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roman RW3ADB.
>>>
>>>
>>
>




--
Roman RW3ADB.


--000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-b52a4b60aa50c6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:04:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C7494380001BA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF2t-0004sS-39 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF2s-0004sI-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:26 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF2p-0006Zf-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:26 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so9788243pxi.30 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:03:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=O+U/iWSXQZ3Rs/Sdvxx3lxNAlQHeg8SjWDB8JGdBL4w=; b=kHYHWdV9JKhWWRJQ00RRxyDTP8FQS8vu5yNNbL1r3l36DWLxCota+pikxWEUId4c1Z MssjQkDgWetMebnt3fkKs4hwd7uHPWpAUs/6wiev9A9GZNINwa9ZU1vc3lrb01IZxxu4 fj9nSBMq0x7w7UdpLrHRHCZEpOE2V7fnsEQuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BXkDXyVStTAkeq17fXp44GbqqmHR6FarX8G9f15xF/sCjsvAvN2bcxJhTI4YtH/uQj 1JOZmKRwI5M6tbdutSZyHmdLHGoRM0ffOoLRzxh9WPVZ/EvsX/dYjcsrA8jQbkDUW70g BPVxQnI9sOcfx7X7aZLn9VE+TYUuEcvqXzVow= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.23.17 with SMTP id a17mr23856rvj.157.1264626195795; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:03:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:15 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 807d37cfe9b1fa4b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b60aa4c0354 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > > Gary, >> >> solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. >> But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. >> Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ >> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 >> *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group >> *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A >> >> LF, >> >> Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo >> > > --000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, & Andy,

Thanks for your report & comments= & Andy for answering Rik's query.

Well= there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text= to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield.=

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the= power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW= ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to= 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT= - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@goog= lemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually gu= aranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>

Gary,<= /font>
=A0
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
<= /div>

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b4a582819f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan, You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3KEV will already be writing his response in support of you email, HI. However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propagatio= n experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not have been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacitors rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military tracking station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then, with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and thi= n copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, essentially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have learned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN. So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is a great and pleasurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WSPR, and indee= d many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have their place on the ham bands of today. 73s and a happy New Year to you. Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Dear LF, > > WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it= is > the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw > in wspr, congrats! > > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with > even much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is= so > good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal > meaning of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software tha= t > does record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done= by > you due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station= and > the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it= done > by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the sa= me > in than in CW? > > If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and= WSPR > accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to > get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look > if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer... > > Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contac= t? > Really? > > If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still doi= ng > QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appears to som= e of > us. > > For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice > since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be > catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or > at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same time= and > want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything else is > just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not increa= se > any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated when the > next, of course better, version comes out... > > In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to > the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan,

You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3= KEV will already be writing his response in support of you email, HI.
<= br>However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propaga= tion experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not= have been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacit= ors rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military trackin= g station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then,= with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter= made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and th= in copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, esse= ntially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have lear= ned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN.

So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is= a great and pleasurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WS= PR, and indeed many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have the= ir place on the ham bands of today.

73s and a happy New Year to you.

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de&= gt;
Dear LF,

WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it is= the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw in wspr, congrats!

What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with ev= en much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a QSO to VK will be possible?

I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal mean= ing of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software that does= record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done by you= due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station and= the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it do= ne by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the= same in than in CW?

If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and WSP= R accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer...

Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contact?= Really?

If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still= doing QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appe= ars to some of us.

For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice= since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same= time and want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything= else is just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not= increase any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated= when the next, of course better, version comes out...

In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring.

Stefan/DK7FC






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--0015174c45807a7657047cd72379-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD102-86384b3f803d120; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:19:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 003D0380000E4; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7cw-0004ry-J9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7cw-0004rp-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7cs-00079W-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.41] (helo=[10.228.80.182]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NR7cf-000If6-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:18:44 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:15:37 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1478826918.20100102161537@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV in s10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------11C6FA24B59226" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b3f803c252f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------------11C6FA24B59226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF enthusiast! This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo Signal is not so bad in daylight 73! 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X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Message-Boundary-16672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Ed, Thanks for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your transmission. Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the report. I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most evenings. Mike, G3XDV ========== > > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo > Signal is not so bad in daylight > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru --Message-Boundary-16672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: RU6LA at G3XDV20100102.jpg Date: 2 Jan 2010, 17:35 Size: 6596 bytes. 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FDvdtkUrq0ZxbPD5mDXH1UONOQnIYCr26trYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.140.197 with SMTP id y5mr157209hby.105.1262541304616; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dd4b40dac1108c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phase shift network at audio *need* consist of no more than a pair of CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks does a better job. Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz by phase shifting teh audio, then followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse. * http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf* It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q outputs from the soundcard. May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, only to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of course) Andy 2010/1/3 M0FMT > OK Rik > > May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing > SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x 2n2222 > devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has > proposed. > > Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe > whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted .... > but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? > > Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down load diggi > modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh thats > not PC on this reflector forgot..... slapped wrists. > > 73 HNY petefmt > > > > ** > > > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16 > > > Pete, > > There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept > simple. > Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones > 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. > As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward), so > writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting M0FMT > >: > > > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal > controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving the > mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power aspect > so no QRO linears required if you play the game. Then use the readily > available Software that can be down loaded for free.... no brain surgery > required. > > > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot > > wrote: > > > > From: Andy Talbot > > > > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 > > > > There is a way... > > > > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > > oscillator. > > > > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > > See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR > > message and the PIC code > > > > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > > standalone manually trigerred mode. > > > > Perhaps there's a demand here... > > > > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > > port and PIC based dongle... > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > > > > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > > > > > > 2010/1/3 Graham > >: > >> Roger > >> > >> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' > >> > >> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf > >> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional > >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No > good > >> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo > controlled > >> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code > set .. > >> Its a good point worth making though ... > >> > >> G.. > >> From: Roger Lapthorn > >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >> Mal, > >> > >> Some suggestions: > >> > >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice > >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > >> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to > use > >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference > >> to weak signals is likely. > >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > >> less". > >> > >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > >> > >> Roger G3XBM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > > > >>> > >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide > and > >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to > >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a > >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. > >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. > >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? > >>> G3KEV > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phas= e shift network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of= CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks=A0does a=A0better jo= b.
=A0
Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz=A0by phase shifting= teh audio, then=A0followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse.=A0 http://= www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q ou= tputs from the soundcard.
=A0
May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean= you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output,= only to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output,= of course)

Andy
2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
OK Rik
=A0
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2= 222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has= proposed.
=A0
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
=A0
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load= diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ....= .... oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists.
=A0
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;=20

Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "= rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20


Pete,

There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so= things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is= to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide= by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.

73,= Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@y= ahoo.co.uk>:

> Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal= =A0 controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driv= ing the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low po= wer aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use th= e readily available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no br= ain surgery required.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
>
> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jn= t@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way.= ..
>
> If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pul= led onto the
> four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by= two logic lines.
> This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the<= br>> other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the<= br>> oscillator.
>
> Then a PIC keyer can generate the log= ic level drive.
> See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating teh= WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The design in ther= e uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
> with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
&= gt; standalone manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there'= ;s a demand here...
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enou= gh in a PC
> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog coul= d be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
> port and= PIC based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>= ;
> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the he= alth
> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to
> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar= regions
>
>
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk= >>:
>> Roger
>>
>> '''=A0 More people sho= uld use WSPR - '''
>>
>> That's not as= =A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner audio to=A0 rf>> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0= conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137= ...No good
>> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0= drive train , vfo=A0 controlled
>> or PIC based without the=A0= 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating=A0 code set ..
>> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ...
>>
&g= t;> G..
>> From: Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, Ja= nuary 02, 2010 10:20 PM
>> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<http:= //uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>> Mal,
>> >> Some suggestions:
>>
>> More people should us= e WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time
>> based on 10= MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
>> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station<= br>>> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plen= ty of room
>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.
>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK)= , is of
>> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it'= s not a good idea to use
>> this mode when the band is open for= really long-distance DX if interference
>> to weak signals is likely.
>> You should try a New Year= resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
>> less"= .
>>
>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflect= or
>>
>> Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>> >>
>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.= mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net>>
>>>
>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs= spreading over 3 kcs wide and
>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6= BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to
>>> listen and wor= k the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocat= ion.
>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.>>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>>> G3KEV
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------= ------------------------------------------------------
>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blo= gspot.com/
>> http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk<h= ttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk/>
>> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0= =A0 ISWL G11088
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



=

--001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b5cad1030f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:26:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 584ED38000087; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ92F-0000tK-65 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ92E-0000tB-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ92C-0002Ca-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 82474 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 20:26:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cDh5aiEDWoRV2I1zWZEAnVrPMrlEM5d5hI1PbFW2nKtnRdzDxozxAAPzMbjBvfTtFq9EeiQ9lYUtHC6ptyh+6vMg+YBgSMANy8Z6fHVDjQX0JwuG8vKFMp8qpwby8ptZiMyhap9ZaDM40WMzSUr2v4QV9+6VC8SPp/mVbfGI7lk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 20:26:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: wlLkY.MVM1mWvIibGKZGIvauSoIMpVbPRykKUopMPpoe99UJVHV0GgzXDVEKpX5u8xh8NtaJEv9mD6lDfKXwFKF6efWwsL6kPhdMSQuaZCxRjgRiaawSMIbOIgJY.xqE1YBiFANaiZMmS8s4PpLLrTW0BJIuNA3GEYXSpHh3X0ZoG8JitdsQD94JbkSef9RIni.dwDpMIDcWv4ZwMHi99KWjXDSYN9.r0Mj3eJ25M1nMbDu0cHy.bSo2uB0rx2z5_5Zye5di4_MgNiSK X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01CA9D33.73CE18E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5cad0e3f69 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CA9D33.73CE18E0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Graham, LF Group, Well, here's a bit of a picture - will see what else emerges! 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with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME062-9be4b3e2af21a; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:03:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQktU-0000vB-M9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQktU-0000v2-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQktS-00023t-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4658546fxm.4 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=YgBEPVuLjN4pM1z+KS8ZcoH58vYoE4puznOxfr1ZT0U=; b=lBheshMbcrxG/jxhJzhf6yhneJAVcZ7qv6AGAUm0+W7s1BPkg6DAw/OmZpXkYFYMsd 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tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d238.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I've made some minor tweaks to tthe WSPR transmission on the beacon signal: 1) Frequency moved up to 503875.0Hz after a request from DK land to avoid QRM over there. Sri, forgotton who asked for the QSY! 2) Power increased by 6dB to maximum it can put out. The value in the WSPR message of 23dBm hasn't changed, but is now nearer the truth of what it actually is. (First few transmissions had an error and showed 3dBm, corrected now). 3) Duty cycle lowered to seven slots each hour - approx 23% To compensate for the power increase and my leccy bill :-( Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-9234b4a3ee9ad; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD093-9234b4a3ee9ad; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4oj-0005L1-Nz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4oi-0005Kd-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:20 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU4od-00010t-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:20 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Jan 2010 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from p5DD347CD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.71.205] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 21:55:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SL3ABPVuS/5yfKRjg5PlTUBKif9PDCW3520YkF+ 7k2wZAwRsb9d0Y Message-ID: <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:54:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5,0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km. -:) Anyway, new distance record for you! 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:00 G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:32 G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:40 G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: 01/09/10 08:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg,=
 
I'm afraid one of us two wi= ll have to=20 move his qth or antenna by 10km. -:)
Anyway, new distance record for you!<= /FONT>
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 2010-01-09 00:02   G3XBM   0.503897   -23   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 00:54   G3XBM   0.503893   -25   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:00   G3XBM   0.503896   -22   1   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:10   G3XBM   0.503893   -18   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:16   G3XBM   0.503895   -23   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:32   G3XBM   0.503894   -24   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:52   G3XBM   0.503889   -22   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 02:12   G3XBM   0.503887   -25   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 02:40   G3XBM   0.503894   -20   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 03:08   G3XBM   0.503888   -22   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 12:54=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR over= night

My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overn= ight.=20 Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so woul= d welcome=20 "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the= WSPR band=20 around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
R= oger=20 G3XBM

http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
h= ttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM

G3XBM=20    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


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------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA081-b5304b63f32d15d; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:51:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 70DF538000115; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb91l-0001Yx-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb91l-0001Yo-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb91i-0007kU-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX1004XAXV3D6@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:48 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <8B245F3A4C5743C9A9CFBEA053DF3569@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 30-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_drXH2/iFNb10fw9LnBBweA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b63f32b05af X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_drXH2/iFNb10fw9LnBBweA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg)" --Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello,Warren,LF Nice capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm Best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 30-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello,Warren,LF
Nice capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
Best 73s
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hamilton" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:27:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b4df4a80179 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes a single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less when > the tank circuit is resonant. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: "rsgb" > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM > Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx > > > Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characteristics > like in class E > mal/g3kev > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-a97b4b649cb93c9; 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Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:17:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BCF8380002A1; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGB4-0006q3-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGB3-0006pu-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGB0-0007eT-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:57 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jan 2010 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from p5DD358AD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.88.173] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 23:15:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RYBxOTmAR1LW2jBIrDhrK4Bz1FLiyBntDQyd5ly YsckZraDOdJxGq Message-ID: <043401ca9f9e$4719e910$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:15:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46000000000000002,0.46000000000000002 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b60bb5d7910 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the other point that Paul (or was it Clemens?) made is that the 't= rick' for magic SNR reports in WSPR is just to narrow the BW below 100Hz. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit. Narr= owing the Rx bandwidth=20 right down to 7Hz won't make any difference to decoding ability provid= ed there is no AGC pumping=20 from out of (WSPR band) signals. (But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energ= y in the two outside=20 ones). Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/27 Clemens Paul This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list= members. I have made the same observations. Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz result= s in an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've foun= d out that the *real* SNR is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signa= l which was just below the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW= either. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results= in a 1.46Hz noise=20 bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. = Its most likely based on=20 the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noi= se which upsets the=20 frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth and safety police, is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contr= ibute to dissolving the=20 nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio)= . If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I al= so get a significant=20 increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR= needed to get a positive=20 decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org] namens Andy=20 Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a just a case of=20 being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de= +37 5.012 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub= +20 0.100 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de= +37 5.012 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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But the other point that Paul (or was= it Clemens?)=20 made is that the 'trick' for
magic SNR reports in WSPR is just to= narrow the BW=20 below 100Hz.
 
73
Clemens
D= L4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 10:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Rep= orts

Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit.&n= bsp; =20 Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any differen= ce to=20 decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR= band)=20 signals.   
 
(But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone= energy in=20 the two outside ones).
2010/1/27 Clemens Paul <= cpaul@gmx.net>
This phenomen,or rather bug,has= been reported=20 here by several list members.
I have made the same observations= .
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250H= z to something=20 below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of= up to around=20 15dB!
I've done some tests with a frien= d 20km away on=20 10m and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other= words an=20 extreme weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz= BW coudn't be=20 decoded with 20Hz BW either.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ&nb= sp;
----- Original Message -----
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, January= 27, 2010=20 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR= =20 Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and res= ults in a=20 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and= reports=20 upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is=20 interesting.   Its most likely based on the fact that= typical=20 signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets= the=20 frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaran= teed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe &= lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An= dy,
 
maybe the "ma= gic" lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from= a 2.5kHz (SSB)=20 filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increa= se in SNR=20 values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it ha= rdly affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises=20 by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7Y= D -=20 OR7T
Van: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden:=20 woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction syst= em, or is=20 it a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5c94b5c25a7ec; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:49:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG056-5c94b5c25a7ec; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:49:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ010-0004kG-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ00z-0004k7-N9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:21 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ00x-0006sh-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 19274 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 10:48:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=pV+c01QN6wG/NXWLrtl2QF1NVFWZnCp+Nvo5duiZZPEFC7hPfO4iB7i7aGIlPsnHlQ6Krg16sSPkGq+HC27qQAb22Hn7r0/zoCwJzg/Xs7WCb+dwTYYHAs4/ywiGdcJ4TD9AscIYlKWnfJNlSguNSfhDVsJvnIurF+3b+sviG2k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.8.40 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:48:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: aL2VOW4VM1lsKGNEoSQ617xxilPadNU5EfvVgXb0MX.rrEST7HOuijPWQcy.kDElXxFHHOjsr34j3j1FgBHASbdr19HMLCW.cKdIVM9dJmfIYtHeUmlBm8vXoVIl0NRUoj3_LM1UkgX6nR1aJpGZ9HYjAOCy61BYiffkMUi.B8oZRfQqJA7sckhvCNUmfWmO4Pje1c43zOS2ut0RUuP6ymOypVNtizilOFHOc9F5qbKOHIusHD0lCtgBigodOYWNFh.K4d6rYZ.xGScYqqvnuFP21.TMpQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370" ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think= =20 the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna= here is a=20 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 wi= th a 24 Hz=20 IF bandwidth
 
By the=20 way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of=20 both modes!
 
(With=20 QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier=20 between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency= CW, dots=20 and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and th= e carrier=20 drops between letters.)
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: FW:=20 [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi=20 All

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I am ru= nning my QRPp=20 MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receivin= g the=20 QRSS3. :-

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Using= Spectran in -=20 Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings an= d dial on=20 the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the= Spectran=20 Waterfall.

Spectra= n will run at=20 the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the= evil Data=20 and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

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Frequen= cy=20 503.22KHz

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Modulat= ion QRSS3 FSK,=20 mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5=20 Morse

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Power= 500mW at 50=20 Ohms

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Total= current=20 consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

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Antenna= 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

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ERP >= ;1mWatt=20

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Eddie=20 G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2= 639 -=20 Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00

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Jan 2010 22:24:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5782ea7995 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luck wi= th the dripping tap. Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English beer for certain :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 g3zjo > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie** G3ZJO* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luc= k with the dripping tap.

Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shal= l buy you a pint of best English beer for certain :-))

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/20 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
=

Yeh ! Congra= tulations Roger.

=A0

Lubos you ha= ve the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

=A0

73

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

=A0

Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

=A0

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BV= G <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

=A0

No virus found in= this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.= com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00




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--0003255537167dcb27047da00da1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-8b974b5d75c0123; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:43:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66005380000B2; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMOP-0004Ak-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMOP-0004Ab-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMON-00070f-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWS00LTDTPPRX@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:41:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:41:46 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> <7058406e0f760b568d29f756c8036bdc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b5d75bd3c01 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Roelof, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: LF: 509khz > Hello Henny, > > Z on 509 kHz is the upper sideband of NDB Zilnia from Slovakia. > The carrier is at 508 kHz. > > BL is the lower sideband of a UNID with the carrier at 510 kHz. > Location probably northern Africa. > > I hope this helps. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b4a6d6d15d; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:14:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75432380000A8; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7uZ-0007QH-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7uZ-0007Q8-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU7uX-00022d-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NU7uX-0002Yk-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:33 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NU7uW-0004pO-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <65D879D3D0CA40A9AC1A997B24A3B68C@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <372296.44597.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: 500KHz Grabber and WSPR Rx back on Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b4a6d6c501b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All, I have knocked up a quick and dirty server that will carry out the basic functions required. It is by no means complete, so interruptuions are likley next weekend while I make improvements. In theory the grabber and WSPR receivers are now active and should remain QRV during the week, though if it goes off, I wont be able to fix it. I have not yet got remote control of it. s/n rations seem slightly better tonight tha observerd of late, maybe there is less QRM from the new machine, though it may just be better propagation. Regards Mark GM4ISM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.218]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5eec4b4102ea1c8; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:49:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE6C238006577; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWgs-0005Mq-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWgr-0005Mh-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:41 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWgo-0006AI-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:41 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9326575bwz.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IDpn18ptg56JDBcehHOMoUsyLm0F5qJe+kAUOp1ZVqQ=; b=HAWgz42Q8vm1UFa5HhNbYrbVEDcaIZznfYV35rL6mABzlBBVl/wBtBBgbirB3ndJ4k WwL8fftyRCRJ2n58vRhTzRA4T0azJrZGVrcCKGA0x2FSI//VOfGyCOYsiQcF2ceq4kiV 72pVtK6UZ0Bsm8uzFgpgRG5g1O1gyX2XgEBNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v6YdCQX1flMIHdtle4xpIch9v7ffjvxEnncGVBe9k408amRMHL1R8rCy7WKkh0dYJq nT2rwlEhqGR0MIRPKtuZ9XKUApUNwo4mb38hy1bRHDCASSz6ZGLf5zT9m49yZzvrHm39 4ezdYkp8Dp4WshXg9lFOdGNQSSeEqJsPDeiDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.153.27 with SMTP id i27mr10382892bkw.155.1262549072083; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:04:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001031204i254a12aft25b3063c8c1447cd@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4b40f8967814 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter (and all LF) My point on WSPR is a serious one and I think you've either not followed my logic or understood how bandwidth efficient WSPR is. Let me spell it out again... Within just 200Hz of the band *>100* stations can happily coexist and still leave ALL of the remaining band for good use by stations wanting QSOs (rather than beacon type experiments) using whatever narrowband mode they choose. This is *excellent* use of precious spectrum and beats anything else for "experimentation and self training per Hz" by my book. I have every wish to enjoy the rest of 500Hz as well, but find the small slot for WSPR a valuable use of the band in a way very much in keeping with the aims of our ham licences. Also, with WSPR high power is *not* necessary, so interference and coexistence issues should be perfectly manageable. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/3 M0FMT > Hi Roger and LF > > 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation and can > not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wide band > compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating via sky > wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply. > > 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity" stations HF > of the British experimental and research allocation does not have any real > impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it is a non issue > IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neanderthal brain. > 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on TV over > the week end and ......... > > > Harry Lime said ..... "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had > warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da > Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They > had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The > cuckoo clock!" > > > > Think on! > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On *Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn * wrote: > > > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 > > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a > time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), > is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good > idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference to weak signals is likely. > 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and > moan less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > > > >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >> and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter (and all LF)

My point on WSPR is a serious one and I think= you've either not followed my logic or understood how bandwidth effic= ient WSPR is.

Let me spell it out again...

Within just 200Hz= of the band >100 stations can happily coexist and still= leave ALL of the remaining band for good use by stations wanting QSOs (ra= ther than beacon type experiments) using whatever narrowband mode they cho= ose. This is excellent use of precious spectrum and beats anything= else for "experimentation and self training per Hz" by my book.=

I have every wish to enjoy the rest of 500Hz as well, but find the sma= ll slot for WSPR a valuable use of the band in a way very much in keeping= with the aims of our ham licences. Also, with WSPR high power is not necessary, so interference and coexistence issues should be perfectly= manageable.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk= >
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 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
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 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
Hi Roger and LF
=A0
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation= and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's= a wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propag= ating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.
=A0
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission=A0from one of the EU "Vanity= " stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation doe= s not have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see= so it is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Nean= derthal=A0brain.=A0=A0
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The=A0Third Man was on TV= over the week end and .........=A0=A0
=A0

Harry Lime said ....= . =A0"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, mur= der and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and= the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 ye= ars of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!= "=A0=A0=20

=A0

Think on!


73 es=A0HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapth= orn <ro= gerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com><= br>Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20
=
Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and st= ation performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of= room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational mod= es.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant an= d moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this= reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spre= ading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to= those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cann= ot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacon= s.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
=A0



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--00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-b5154b5c1b69168; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:05:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C48338000100; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzKB-0003T1-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzKB-0003Sr-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzK9-0006Qt-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851074C8014 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:04:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4848F4C8114 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:03:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:03:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XGJ , AGC last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b5c1b674622 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , Roman , Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.89]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-a2394b470c191a0; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:42:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 246B4380000B8; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCHH-0004Wz-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCHH-0004Wq-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from kane.otenet.gr ([83.235.67.31] ident=OTEnet-mail-system) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTCHE-0006lC-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (ppp-94-66-141-44.home.otenet.gr [94.66.141.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id o08Af65h024332 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:41:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4B470BBB.1030101@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:40:59 +0200 From: Alex Deligiannis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100107093341.389XQ.1767140.root@mp06> <201001071537270031.013BAB86@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <201001071537270031.013BAB86@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: [Lowfer] U.S. Loran-C to end by October 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594b470c186fdc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John RABSON wrote: > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 07/01/2010 at 06:33 w1tag@charter.net wrote: > > >> The Coast Guard has today published two articles in the Federal Register. >> They state that Loran-C is not needed as a backup to GPS or for any other >> Federal requirement, and that they intend to begin shutting down Loran-C >> operations on Feb. 8, with completion by October 1, 2010. >> >> See: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-84.pdf >> >> John, W1TAG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Lowfer mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Lowfer@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > We will loose onother LF signal olso.... > The Swiss Federal council decided that the HBG time signal transmitter at Prangins (Vaud) located at 46 degrees 24' North, and 6 degrees 15 ' East, and serving a 1500 mile radius at the heart of Europe, will cease activity at the end of 2011. Since 1966, the HGB transmitter at Prangins has transmitted official time signals synchronized to Universal Coordinated Time (UCT), on a frequency of 75 Khz. The precise carrier frequency of 75 kHz, synchronized by an atomic, clock, and the time markers (second pulses, and coded information giving the time of day and the date), can be used for the verification of frequency standards and time control purposes. During periodic maintenance work carried out on the transmitter, the obvious signs of age were observed on the antenna masts. Independent consultants opined that without a complete overhaul, the installation should be closed because it presented considerable risks. To maintain the transmitter at Prangins would be very expensive and the time signal is used too little to justify the high costs of a renovation, according to the study carried out by the outside experts. The Swiss Federal council thus, decided to close the installation at the end of 2011. This window of time will permit users to adapt their clocks to the signal of the German transmitter DCF77, whose signal is received in Switzerland with a quality comparable with that of the HBG. The Swiss official time will continue to be transmitted by METAS (Swiss Federal Office of Meteorology) on the Internet at ntp.metas.ch . METAS is charged with the reckoning and the diffusion of standard units in Switzerland, of which the unit of time, the second, is one. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.74]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b4a7959b4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:05:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1720C380001E4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU8hj-0007aN-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU8hj-0007aE-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU8hh-0005yo-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUGAFEISktOkWUe/2dsb2JhbACIJpQPt02ELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,252,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="303756114" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.101.30]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 01:04:03 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9259$f7f7b070$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100111002406.dhsto910w04gwwc0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4b4a79573f87 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Spot on Rik And why are those who build gear from scratch, use simple antennas, embrace technology and try new modes, also interested in CW, QSO's, the experiments of those who build powerful PA's, huge antenna's etc, but the tolerance is not extended by the other side. Why are there two sides? I would much prefer fellowship between all Hams. Why make the group a misery. I have been astounded from day one by the in fighting on this group. I expected more from an experimental group that requires, in the UK, a Special Research Permit. The SRP/NOV application needs more details for a successful application than "I want to talk to my mates on the key". Eddie G3ZJO -------------------------------------------------------------------- For some reason anything to improve the signal seems to be acceptable except the visible aid of computers: - buy or build big antennas (and have the property to place them): OK - buy or build big PA's: OK - try new modes using "visible" aid of a computer: no way 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-91a4b3f9d28141; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:23:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b3f9d28141; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:23:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR9Y1-0005q1-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR9Y1-0005ps-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR9Xz-0002eE-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from COL122-W47 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:21:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:21:52 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <964056144.20100102171058@dx.ru> References: <964056144.20100102171058@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 19:21:52.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[D66F3D30:01CA8BE0] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_" Subject: RE: LF: EW6GB 137.710 QRSS3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ed, LF! OK, I see EA6GB on 137.710 "M" Lubos, OK2BVG > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: EW6GB 137.710 QRSS3 >=20 > now CQ > FB O S6 >=20 > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ed, LF!
OK, I see EA6GB on 137.710 "M"

Lubos, OK2BVG


> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300
> From: ed@dx.ru=
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: EW6GB 137.7= 10 QRSS3
>
> now CQ
> FB O S6
>
> 73! Ed= RU6LA 136.73.ru
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Wi= ndows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s te= n prav=FD? =3D --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a6f4b50e3d66f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4b50e3d66f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu5l-00080b-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu5k-00080S-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVu5i-0006zt-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A0A401F5 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the report lubos, Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ -- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
 
Victor
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Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4&nb= sp; =20 0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966=   0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899 = 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4b623f6e1c1; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7230A38000047; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057i-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057Z-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nag1E-00045K-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0T1pVYi023533 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Question to the groundwave Thread-Index: AcqgfcTQocUqf0PIRuKxkrvztkfZ6QAAhuAA References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.710;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.29.13927 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b623f6c5f17 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan and LF,=20 =20 I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follow= s :-) =20 The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (a= bout) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 100= 0km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level,= same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. =20 I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km= border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. =20 So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above exampl= e to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theore= tical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the= whole distance but anyway. =20 And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime= , by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave,= so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where= no sky wave is present!? =20 If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it= so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on= LF?=20 =20 Tnx for enlightning answers... =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! 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with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 00:07:47 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:07:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9252.1B65F240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group 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Surely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009. Results so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 content. My MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :- "Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and some small font Hell which looks best on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it should not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns." I have run MEPT's on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen? As I have mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more complex stuff and full Call Sign.. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 10 January 2010 21:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Making comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like. A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. 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A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you *must* compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn > Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it > performs. > > It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range > limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB > for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see > what "the experts" say. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > 2010/1/10 mal hamilton > >> Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur >> trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace >> been keyed it could have been identified. >> I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and >> speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW >> Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little >> antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding >> noise. >> RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be >> calculated just guessed and meaningless. >> Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. >> >> G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for >> given power on WSPR >> >> Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on >> 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for >> him to hear very weak signals than many others. >> >> For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms >> range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another >> 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under >> favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a >> good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he >> might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he >> is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. >> >> It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the >> propagation theory etc. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2010/1/10 James Cowburn >> >>> Dear LF, >>> >>> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >>> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >>> >>> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >>> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >>> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >>> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >>> and antenna configuration? >>> >>> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >>> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >>> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >>> its performance with other known signals. >>> >>> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would >>> the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has >>> the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is >>> it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for >>> a great 2010 >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Jim* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >>> >>> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f95ffa50c872047cd5fbc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Andy
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2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Fair comment Mal, and one of= these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs.

It should be= possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSP= R on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR),= path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "= ;the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM



2010/1/10 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk= .net>
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not deco= de for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identifie= d.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal=A0CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big= signal and environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningle= ss.
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real time.
=A0
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist= for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on= 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier fo= r him to hear very weak signals than many others.

For what it's= worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Ger= many (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in han= d, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable= conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good ni= ght. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he migh= t just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the= propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net" target=3D"_blank">james.cowburn= @virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource= for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consi= stently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and= the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly esti= mating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at th= at power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx= stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then= it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strengt= h at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals.<= /font>

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how= much further would the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me,= assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capa= bility is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over= known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and= best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best reg= ards=

=A0

=A0

Jim

=A0

=A0

Dr. James Cow= burn G7NKS

E= james.cowburn@virgin.net<= /span>= =

=A0

=A0




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--001485f95ffa50c872047cd5fbc4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a494b5b4f4224d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:34:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA011-a494b5b4f4224d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:34:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYljH-0007QZ-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYljG-0007QP-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYljD-0005GQ-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAADeWktOlvwl/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFyBKEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448233020" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.252.37]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 19:32:54 +0000 Message-ID: <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy= visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs= or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informed g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote= : I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the ca= rrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the= right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These= signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm no= t getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which= is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more= importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough= said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a be= acon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with= a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB redu= ction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this= bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two mo= des. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and= they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR= beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or= days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really= weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally= going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensiv= e use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and= documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz,= with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'= If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting= files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600= .pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available= in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted somet= hing for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest sp= aced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code= to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be= decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the= mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone wa= s spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH= zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone= energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G wav= eforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrb= g.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.ra= yjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is qu= ite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate= timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7= /503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the= PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and= "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by= the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances= hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and= polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)= reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes= like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but ne= ver tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dum= mies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously not reading recent postings= about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, like= I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complic= ate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, ther= e are a lot of=20 these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informed
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 7:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
I still see these data signals as= a waste of=20 time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% witho= ut having=20 to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for le= vel 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visi= ble but only=20 an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO  i= f you need=20 an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is se= nding JT4A=20 but I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon cod= e is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier,= which is=20 a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). = And more=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one= - enough=20 said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code chang= ing, so=20 will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. &= nbsp; For=20 a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resulting= 4.75dB=20 reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation are all th= e same, so=20 this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes.  The= differing=20 message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or=20 correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they= use the=20 same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapth= orn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of= your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at= certain=20 pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offer= ing the=20 possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me run= ning=20 flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and= having a=20 reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure=20 there will be others who would value this too.

73sRoger=20 G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was= never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, altho= ugh after=20 our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and documented= code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, =20  with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT sui= te to 'try=20 out'   If you download and read the WSJT us= ers guide=20 and other supporting files, there's all you need to= know to get=20 it going is in there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wo= rse than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being avai= lable in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from= DC to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come= across A, D=20 and G being used respectively on LF, HF and=20 uWaves)    There's probably only a fraction= of a dB=20 in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB= or two away=20 from the Shannon limit.  [Which knocks spots off CW= or any=20 fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error= =20 correction].   Wolf has a similar signalling eff= iciency,=20 but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid bei= ng too=20 wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something=20 for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. &nb= sp;JT4G,=20 the widest spaced varient of them looked=20 suitable.    After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded=20 not to abandon that mode,  and in fact he m= odified=20 the code to  enhance the decoder routine so the wide= spaced=20 version would be decoded with the same S/N as=20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mo= de was,=20 even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone= was spread=20 out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for= 1kH zwide=20 overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete= tone=20 energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4= G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset&nb= sp; GB3SCX=20 and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB= on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland ht= tp://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html =20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode= to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing= =20 information is available to keep it synched.  =
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= =20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just= by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any inte= rest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" wa= veforms=20 will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) = reference=20 to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mod= es like=20 JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MH= z but=20 never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the di= rection of=20 a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar= that I=20 might understand, please?

73s
Roger G3XBM
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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA102-a544b56ec7158; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:44:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a544b56ec7158; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:43:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXYxE-0006B2-B4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXYxD-0006At-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYxC-00052l-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KBgKHI029523 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:20 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.caa.599ff47a (37553) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.104]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-b3104b56ec121d6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:14 -0500 Received: from webmail-m033 (webmail-m033.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.216]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME038-b3104b56ec121d6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 References: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 30462-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.54 by webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC67DCBC2BEFD8-FB8-DB36@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots= from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! 73, Markus, DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 Thema: LF: Twente receiver Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( an= d saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI= 2AG (weak). Great job. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 =3D ----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several= spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus, DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to All who realized the Twent= e receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK,= and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-a97e4b3e1d75120; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:06:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61AD238006BAF; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjwS-0000Vf-P8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjwS-0000VW-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjwQ-0001gQ-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQjwQ-0003Ww-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:30 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQjwQ-0001zj-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:30 +0000 Message-ID: <15D26B1C5FDA4C129090B0EBE1B56E8C@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:01:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GM4ISM WSPR Tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b3e1cab6c0a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 Firstly apoligies for a few WSPR spots that will have apperad on the= database, spotting my own test transmissions, I forgot to switch off= spot uploading while I was testing. It is the last stage of the transverter project, that will finally giv= e me all mode capability on 500KHz. Power amps are ready and I will= be able to run about 50W RF, just shy of 1W ERP An alternative antenna is being investigated to provide a more sustain= able system for longer term tests, as the main station antenna has to= be lowered in high winds, it is an unguyed pump up mast with a 70MHz= yagi on it. In the meantime the grabber here still functions on the ferrite rod an= tenna and I have had a couple of decodes (-27dB) from WD2XSH/17, but= as these were both the second half of the pair, the hash coded call= did not display and thus the spots did not upload again. Wishing all a Happy New Year=20 Mark GM4ISM ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Firstly apoligies for a few WSPR spot= s that will=20 have apperad on the database, spotting my own test transmissions, I fo= rgot to=20 switch off  spot uploading while I was testing.
It is the last stage of the transvert= er project,=20 that will finally give me all mode capability on 500KHz.  Power= amps are=20 ready and I will be able to run about 50W RF, just shy of 1W ERP
 
An alternative antenna is being inves= tigated to=20 provide a more sustainable system for longer term tests, as the= main=20 station antenna has to be lowered in high winds, it is an unguyed pump= up mast=20 with a 70MHz yagi on it.
 
 
In the meantime the grabber here stil= l functions on=20 the ferrite rod antenna and I have had a couple of decodes (-27dB)&nbs= p;from=20 WD2XSH/17, but as these were both the second half of the pair, the has= h coded=20 call did not display and thus the spots did not upload again.
 
Wishing all a Happy New Year <= /DIV>
Mark GM4ISM
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-a8514b50e8592bc; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB57A38000141; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuOI-0008HV-2l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuOH-0008HM-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuOG-0003mh-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W3 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:11:27 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:11:27 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 22:11:27.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEBF4380:01CA962F] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_" Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b50e8576f06 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF! I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? Lubos, OK2BVG From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Thanks for=20 the report lubos, =20 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 =20 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.
2150 -21 -0.5   0.503965  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154&nbs= p;  8  1.5   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
2200 -23=   0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody= receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG
Fr= om: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri,= 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test

Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4 &= nbsp;=20 0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966&nbs= p; 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899  0= PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5de4b60b5f618b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:54:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG077-5de4b60b5f618b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:54:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFp5-00068s-3b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFp4-00068i-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFp3-0007Iw-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127215305.HVXT4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:05 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFou-0005VN-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:05 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <00a101ca9f9b$182cb1d0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> thread-index: AcqfmgO9+nPR1f5wQnmF7NNq3hqivQAAHPlg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=rAh2LSg9fjRDHveUXkMA:9 a=6bw9joUT2o-qJvEoFx0A:7 a=H7rHMA_-BhIc92t-rRFFaZ_Q8w4A:4 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=36S4FZIGIzrOm8Vz:21 a=DaKEW6D8KZ9ZX_lP:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=87olYQBfMnBlasYZDUkA:9 a=sz8JjHFNnm_DB1xXGqIA:7 a=xx0AFF6eXITVTlJdEN4xMfNtLhEA:4 a=mftO4deV2_QA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will do! I am getting several decodes of your "G4WGT QRZ" call all at around -15dB. There is another occasional signal on evens but not decoding I am running 10W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat). I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around 0.5% to 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW. With best regards Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Will do! &= nbsp; I am getting several decodes of your “G4WGT QRZ” call all at around -15dB. &nbs= p; There is another occasional signal on evens but not decoding

 

I am running 10= W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat).    I am assum= ing (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around  0.5% to 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and= 100mW.

 

 

With best regards=

 

Jim

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of G= ary - G4WGT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:44
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the= decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you= up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

Hi Gary

 

Just got two decodes of= you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied with my= call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 =

The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are he= reby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4W= GT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query.=

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon &a= mp; continue to see if there is a report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 min= utes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good= report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van:Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-a96a4b60c51e25c; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8DAF83800012E; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGpT-0007mx-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGpT-0007mo-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGpR-0008DO-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail6.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.8]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0RMvZV6044788 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57a24ca71001271425g458b45d0vc14c80409ca48073@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca71001271425g458b45d0vc14c80409ca48073@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b60c51d2bd0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren, Sorry, yes it is /6! I have not been listening much on 500 kHz as conditions have been absolutely raving since the start of October 2009. Too busy listening elsewhere! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5c14b55b28af5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:24:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b55b28af5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:24:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXE3X-0001PL-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXE3X-0001PB-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXE3W-0001nD-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Authentication-Results: ams-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsAAD9BVUuQ/uCWe2dsb2JhbACbfQEBFiQGpUKVD4QzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,303,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="56286418" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2010 13:23:30 +0000 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0JDNU5G023544; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:30 GMT Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-120.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id o0JDNTX09961; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:29 GMT Message-ID: <4B55B24F.9070400@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:27 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racal Dana 9084 sig gen - display flashing and no output? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Cowburn wrote: > > > Dear LF, > > > > I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signal gen but I can’t seem to get any > output and the frequency display is flashing. I have tried to google > for a manual to no avail. You can get one here http://www.mauritron.com/ Though the last manual I got from them was for the 9081 and although usable the scan quality was not the best. Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-9f24b506d1423a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:26:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24b506d1423a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:26:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmBM-0008C6-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmBM-0008Bx-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmBM-0002u0-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 95640 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2010 13:25:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263561937; bh=Vs+uldlYkDqhNwlCKBTw0ssFZIVevq6LBpCbYnJxfGk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rYrZwIwyWijy2bGuCM8kYRPeps1xk1/zjlZXtIi4uYvx2Psr1RrY1VA20m8yrQ36gjV29wK61gizLLYTXGGMwmMe6NA+BkyYFQdG/tFWCJ5Zj8o7k60Y7GmkJ7F3iqi8eif+VVGPqpRG+lSdJxdSzTc85y2pfyBJdSav34GujAM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y3KEgkxvu6zbdAqc1BZDW4T73Vrp5Cwb96f2nKoZYeXAHj/KRoYWyZk6hdxPsetO8DPvb+1HOfrbzkHJm4bkENgu7MPTyMlewuKKUci/Zy1uevUCaHeWlYl4Fx1xoIhYsQZhpsNlQPEezgYAwgIra0FXeDGmDSSD5bbGYcSFlvU=; Message-ID: <450619.95347.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DL7aVGgVM1m8LVg83CncdeFLmsRnKEosDpY91p.w2nhLjEa9n_0DO0Jqx17oQOAoz6VGlb64gcGancx4.syC5YjHsfrvZGBVKx.wC9GKEVcVQ1kobUMowvf62d3W2XwFEaBgttdMzZ940AmW7MMyNTpqz.zQlm83xwtgPW7BH5pZZEiGnasjy5jDwjJRoyswuEddT17i.4Sy3E0oGNFJDmZcCc_mCUAd.VjYU4keNsvmes6vG4UOrPYuT00L7I9vkuSQUo7ELDeJGu4agif3 Received: from [81.129.12.153] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:37 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <924161.10258.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d250.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and .... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvfinale.html......= =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 but the Cats Whickers take the cream!!! =C2=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, M0FMT wrote: From: M0FMT Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 13:13 Hi LF =C2=A0 Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "HNY"....e= tc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hellschreiber sty= le of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site=C2=A0=C2=A0..... htt= p://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html 73 Petefmt From: Laurence KL1X Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54 Looks like variable frequency drive interference=C2=A0from devices=C2=A0li= ke pumps, elevator motors, =C2=A0cranes=C2=A0etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough. =C2=A0 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =C2=A0 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =C2=A0 Anyone come across these? =C2=A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =C2=A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =C2=A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =C2=A0 Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=E2=80=99s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now.=20 =20 --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
but the Cats Whickers take the cream!!!
 
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, M0FMT <m0fmt@ya= hoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subje= ct: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Frid= ay, 15 January, 2010, 13:13

<= /TABLE>
Hi LF
 
Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "= HNY"....etc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hel= lschreiber style of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site &= nbsp;..... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssq= rv/qrssqrvrpt1.html
73 Petefmt

From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
Sub= ject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fr= iday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54

Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 

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=20 --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a794b5098c615d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA071-a794b5098c615d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVp3N-0001JT-FM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVp3N-0001JJ-0j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVp3H-0004Qg-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskLAF8mUEtOkaFE/2dsb2JhbACCFYYt0SWEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="447427778" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.161.68]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 16:29:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. 130uW ERP brought M0LMH into my WSPR coverage (ON,PA,DL and GM4SLV at 890Km too). I am not a dog lover but I do tend to associate dog breeds with people, it takes a Rottweiler, (or 2) to get hold of an idea, stick with it and produce a complete system like WSPR. It takes a Bloodhound to search out the QRSS3 on my weak signal, M0LMH is the Bloodhound. The practical test of WSPR copy-ability against QRSS3 FSK on 500KHz confirmed the expected. Only M0LMH knows the precise comparative noise and levels of difficulty. As I see it, WSPR decoded CALL - LOC - POWER information at -27dB. At this level The QRSS3 content was visible but undecipherable. Not until there was a drop in QRN / QRM did it become possible to read a 2 letter Ident. Later, as the noise dropped, more information was readable using 3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths. Following that, with even less noise, 5 unit Hell became almost 100% readable but not quite. I don't know if my signal was audible at any time, which would have enabled any copy by ear. Congratulations and thanks to M0LMH for a most interesting test. Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LF Group=

 

Yesterday I inc= reased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reach= ed its limits.

 

130uW ERP broug= ht M0LMH into my WSPR coverage (ON,PA,DL and GM4SLV at 890Km too).

 

I am not a dog= lover but I do tend to associate dog breeds with people, it takes a Rottweiler, (or 2) to get= hold of an idea, stick with it and produce a complete system like WSPR.  = It takes a Bloodhound to search out the QRSS3 on my weak signal, M0LMH is the Bloodhound.

 

The practical= test of WSPR copy-ability against QRSS3 FSK on 500KHz confirmed the expected. Only M0LMH knows= the precise comparative noise and levels of difficulty.

As I see it, WS= PR decoded CALL – LOC - POWER information at -27dB. At this level The QRSS3 content was visi= ble but undecipherable. Not until there was a drop in QRN / QRM did it become= possible to read a 2 letter Ident. Later, as the noise dropped, more informatio= n was readable using 3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths. Followin= g that, with even less noise, 5 unit Hell became almost 100% readable but not= quite. I don’t know if my signal was audible at any time, which would hav= e enabled any copy by ear.

 

Congratulations= and thanks to M0LMH for a most interesting test.

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-b5234b46f81fe6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:17:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F682380000DE; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAwy-0004K1-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAwy-0004Js-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTAwt-0006B9-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so12397259bwz.4 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:15:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6ptxsGY1dsEt0gJbjiPBnXygz117SkvSfX4T7zaePQs=; b=HzkrSn9idTUDWv0EUYmBzzCkIM/3zY7ZMWeJttOcgEVVBsQAZUETJ0lepFXe+KzhtY B/95ug1WQwUmRusqxHzuWW/j9F3XsAOoRrymzcmudVnoMdShtZ3QzisB7vtvNgydzFRC ZnHcsRRI5wqfDkzwJJ8pBpXGdVvHIYARIb2XY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HRuwok5gmS66Xo6d7gtzyi7Tp+4NZWCW6wRk5XIB0JswT/aEDn2al3URmn0UWU2GXS SiarjtfdLfsMaVC07W9TtRM4Djczi2dH7hyS/+p42T6Bd5CaPDeIAKwlBjwYMhTSnMTU s8fiFIKtSaZRxM+urDmZi5gEVLKEB1vTn1xd0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.27 with SMTP id z27mr6361191bkw.206.1262942156296; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:15:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b46f81d651c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far.... Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received. I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still. Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a *massive* incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is *so* useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been *much* harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect. Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes! Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/8 M0FMT > Hi LF > > For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably > equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can > be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual > database way. > > URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On *Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo * wrote: > > > From: g3zjo > Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > > WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various > stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over > Europe. > > Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz= WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago= with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500k= Hz page at htt= p://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I'v= e now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 coun= tries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my= WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with= Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have be= en received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain= 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a ma= ssive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line da= tabase Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power= stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements an= d propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been m= uch harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz= for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so th= ere is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all= the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a goo= d station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/= 1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt= @yahoo.co.uk>
Hi LF
=A0
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR=A0reception reports=A0b= y suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real= time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in= the usual database way.
=A0
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es=A0H= NY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>= wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Subject: LF:= RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from variou= s
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over<= br>Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME102-9b14b5b12e831b; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:17:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b5b12e831b; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:16:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhi8-0005xr-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhi8-0005xi-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhi6-0006EK-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99DF51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1B631E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 413AC18056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123161524.ajhx17uwv4k0k48w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_1ijbmn0mdbpc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --=_1ijbmn0mdbpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, you can download MMANA from http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/pages/mmana-gal.php The datafile for your antenna is attached 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Thanks Rik. > > It is good to know that the your figures more or less agree having =20 > done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me these =20 > simulations please? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe =20 > > =20 > wrote: > Roger, > > I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and =20 > the current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So =20 > the tophat works well and the effective height will be more or less =20 > the physical height. > The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with =20 > 0.12 A a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). > In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated =20 > recently), probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. > > Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn =20 > >: > > All, > > Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =20 > classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =20 > antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =20 > about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I =20 > assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. 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Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A26773800008F; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUiL-0002UZ-CT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUiK-0002UQ-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com ([209.85.220.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaUiI-0006hv-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:16 +0000 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so756817fxm.4 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0U0piFyaPRCYxJoRKNdUc/mV2BUrCEFZSiTqvJP7IkU=; b=rr56b697Sn3SPIGok2KreqkQ4Z4efHKV2+M7kIQLHX5blZ09E/9FcIrU85QmyUB6oC d7mHk7NRQEYKJgOeo8XU05QrVybuzgLPp0xOZq/eoekEemZtKhzXsXFz7iud7hpI7rwY QEJL0AwDx2vINEm1DgxRgIMoWdymPKM0JlaFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=a5ZRxbI2z3prRMqOOWRKUmla1B4fVaXu2CDJ8HhU/meiHr9YGFJcEt8718lC7D7g9E EfShxTTBJbodRNDfqtj5wA0yJJdx5drjalBIgvE8iO0fjkTUuARDJtu2i1uZ6fhgc910 6v3rIZY7318kU5y9I0G8IiEkeQ3wYydNaPi9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.66 with SMTP id k2mr1206023hbh.213.1264686427000; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <45636.72585.qm@web86405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <45636.72585.qm@web86405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:06 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fwd: 500kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b6195a50880 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Andy, I tried to send this to the LF reflector, but I am away from home at the moment, and it does not seem to want to accept mail from me - perhaps you could forward it... Dear Rik, Andy, I have been using a push-pull class D PA in my "EER transverter" for various FSK (and linear) modes over the last year or so. To get a symmetrical square-wave drive from the low-level (basically sinusoidal) 500k input, the input signal is squared up by a limiting amplifier, to a TTL level, then drive to one gate is simply inverted. To get a 50/50 square wave drive, it is important that the limiter has symmetrical limiting thresholds - the circuit I used can be seen in the EER Transverter v3 article on the UK_500kHz group files download page at http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk500khz/files. It is also important that the input to the limiter has a symmetrical waveform - but this is easily achieved by simple band-pass filtering, a single tuned circuit with a loaded Q of, say, 5 will produce a nice sine wave from a fairly horrible input waveform. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 21:56 > I was looking at driving push-pull > transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite > recently. > > How about a frequency doubler? The output > doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only > clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of > a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted > in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this > one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate > whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for > dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > --001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Andy,

I tried to send this to= the LF reflector, but I am away from home at the moment, and it does not= seem to want to accept mail from me - perhaps you could forward it...
=
Dear Rik, Andy,

I have been using a push-pull class D PA in my "EER transverter&q= uot; for various FSK (and linear) modes over the last year or so. To get= a symmetrical square-wave drive from the low-level (basically sinusoidal)= 500k input, the input signal is squared up by a limiting amplifier, to a= TTL level, then drive to one gate is simply inverted. To get a 50/50 squa= re wave drive, it is important that the limiter has symmetrical limiting= thresholds - the circuit I used can be seen in the EER Transverter v3 art= icle on the UK_500kHz group files download page at http://groups.googl= e.co.uk/group/uk500khz/files. It is also important that the input to= the limiter has a symmetrical waveform - but this is easily achieved by= simple band-pass filtering, a single tuned circuit with a loaded Q of, sa= y, 5 will produce a nice sine wave from a fairly horrible input waveform.<= br>
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

--- On Wed, 27/1/10, Andy Tal= bot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail= .com> wrote:

> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: We= dnesday, 27 January, 2010, 21:56
> I was looking at driving push-pul= l
> transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite
> recently.= =A0=A0=A0
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> How about a frequency doubler?=A0 =A0 The out= put
> doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only
&g= t; clocks a flip-flop.=A0=A0=A0And simple doubler can consists of
> a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant)
> fol= lowed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted
> in phase= from the 500kHz drive signal.=A0 Then apply this
> one,=A0 along wi= th the original to a two input XOR gate
> whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for
>= dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive.
>
>=A0
<= br>


--001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI061-eaca4b4a3e71155; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:54:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CC3E38000250; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4mQ-0005IE-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4mP-0005I5-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:57 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU4mL-00010M-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:57 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so353981fga.10 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=F+KPA0LJsNGDFJBc0wRl/qusNqjz6YMklAIg2akho70=; b=IbvWIbQxEjRPJhumjMHlwdIyN7l3zDnClsxFfZwHspDX+8fezcp3Q2NcPBmaFNq0Ib hcWeVuKH5Et0B4xBOycFxGLcqe/+KPMhobdVjaqba2UBRF0IMtonksWDYUtPjWb88f6U kTTfdsgI4h5Uf6LConh18nVvn39osrfAq/pVI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JGmMLZRBhdYY5d/lCVvax4pIwkhtwEewLHMWyv9x7sy8eYhGv0NWbD4JyfQy4SITyn jC+QPgz9LrvjE7JcJUF84stek/gKNw2AfFiqyGKRdkTqZiEyLbmSA97Vpgx6gUttWQ3Z q0Qw4OQbKcAI6nFXG8D4C4ByuHx/K0KMTnyx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.166.141 with SMTP id b13mr140371hbe.101.1263156769622; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_EVENT_UNSAFE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b4a3e707922 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That spreadsheet is for calculating the free space path loss between two stations - given by L =3D 32.4 + 20.LOG(F.d) F in MHz, d in km Totally inappropriate for LF ionospheric, groundwave , microwave ducting and even tropospheric propagation. In fact, only really applicable to satellites and hilltop to hilltop links Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > Dear All > > > > I have been inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link bel= ow, > clearly some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but thi= s > may be able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and > assuming x hops etc. > > > > > > http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php > > > > Putting in Roger=92s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and > reception report of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a =93gain fa= ctor=94 > for WSPR of 65dB. > > > > This seems rather implausibly high so I=92m obviously missing a trick > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > *RF Link Budget Calculator* > > *RF Link Budget Calculator*: To calculate power at the receiver input, > enter values in the empty boxes below. > > > > Transmitter Power > > W > > > > Transmitter Center Frequency > > Hz > > > > Transmit Antenna Gain > > dB > > > > > > > > > > > > Distance Between Antennas > > km > > > > > > > > > > > > Receive Antenna Gain > > dB > > > > Other Losses > > dB > > > > > *Results* > > > > EIRP > > =3D > > -28.20 > > dBW > > Wavelength > > =3D > > 596.42 > > m > > Free Space Loss > > =3D > > 86.39 > > dB > > > > > > > > > > Received Power > > =3D > > -49.59 > > dBW > > > > =3D > > 1.10E-5 > > W > > > > =3D > > -19.59 > > dBm > > > > =3D > > 1.10E-2 > > mW > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > > > > > > Dr. James Cowburn > > > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Roger Lapthorn > *Sent:* 10 January 2010 19:55 > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for giv= en > power on WSPR > > > > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Ri= k? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe > > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) > depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting James Cowburn : > > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my curren= t > antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR= is > around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed > accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setti= ng > and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one > knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possi= ble > to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx base= d on > its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would= the > remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx ha= s > the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, the= n is > it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all fo= r a > great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > > > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That spreadsheet is for calculating the free space path loss between= two stations - given by L =3D 32.4 + 20.LOG(F.d)=A0=A0 F in MHz, d in km<= /div>
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Totally inappropriate for LF ionospheric, =A0groundwave , microwave= ducting and even =A0tropospheric propagation.
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In fact, only really applicable to satellites and hilltop to hilltop= links

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/10 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net">james.cowburn@virgin.net>= ;

Dear All

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I have been= inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly= some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but this may be= able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and assuming= x hops etc.

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http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php<= /font>

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Putting in Ro= ger=92s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception repor= t of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a =93gain factor=94 for WSPR= of 65dB.

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This seems ra= ther implausibly high so I=92m obviously missing a trick somewhere.=

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Jim

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Dr. James Cow= burn

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Beh= alf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:5= 5=20


To:= rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Subject:= Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on= WSPR

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Do we know how many= dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?

73s
Roge= r G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= ;

Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved= signal strength (and thus SNR) depends more of the number of hops involve= d than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting James= Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:

=A0Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions= on a resource for calculation of =A0a link budget for WSPR over a set dis= tance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my= =A0current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =A0li= mit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =A0estimati= ng or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =A0(EMR) at tha= t power setting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =A0one= knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =A0be poss= ible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =A0a given Rx= based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =A0would= the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =A0the othe= r Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =A0capability is diffe= rent, then is it fine to factor for the dB =A0difference over known paths/= signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =A0fo= r a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Co= wburn G7NKS

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--001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b5c7923d3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:45:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8928F38000091; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5Z8-000796-Q8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5Z8-00078x-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ5Z6-0000bA-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OGhqoS020528 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:52 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:54 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: JT4A simple guide? Thread-Index: AcqclnT0cnGo5AN5TZOPRQkJ2N11wAAeZSvk References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.163040 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D14.6A2C5B06" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5c79211f02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D14.6A2C5B06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, LF,=20 =20 That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX level= or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and= others not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and= have the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? =20 I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP success.= That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... =20 Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea, your= ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it is= a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4= wave for 600m? =20 Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic con= trol (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally, the brai= d length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i could bui= ld a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv there i= use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more sig= nal but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of= the overall loss resistance and so on. =20 Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/or= DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559 in= >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5= UFO, M0BMU...... =20 73s =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave inv= L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX. RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W. QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH are underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never bee= n a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW simp= ly would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and= see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others althoug= h the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier be= en keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocia= l (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is= a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has mo= re to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. Th= e coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing messag= e contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but cou= ld you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJ= T users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to ge= t it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but= at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths= / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF an= d uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seem= s less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routi= ne so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. = We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal stil= l had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotlan= d http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals= - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. 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([217.12.12.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4QI-0000Wc-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 88590 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 21:18:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=3agHfQe+uFs0eXEVJGuuAUe20tOHjSkzRR4TNcg0PoCbiWYhXaj/tsOtNy2ep/qKGYf0bBUriuqAEf86TlcMQdwxLaJhWUalaZ2jG4W/Coni1K4q30abcUn0S/QNG9agDoaIYBjJobJeeWfZaLLAU2eusccG3zdjx5x9RMjkKz8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 21:18:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 7_a_u1wVM1noz6YaJqXiQf5d5ldYfcPCzaJYO3z9c1IOG9_EZ.HhzAyR7gDVX.jB6sxjw3TUeeWHPQcM1g00.Md32x4Kjbvm9TWez2LE1cOD9pgaMjJhrMs3WtgioZuc_zGIp6NMgWc.mpMncBBL_EfWoaHN5rrVsBnVqKrWXFq3vuFiPTLqfZZFtZ9PrEHwCiwHujRYp7uBRWgSUIMNr_ApdyT3CyuM8uvihQcuxl_Oe9Re X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:18:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b58c4df4379 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replying to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX message), but obviously not OK at your end! 205200 21 -3 2.0 -77 26 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205400 14 -8 1.9 -77 25 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205600 10 -15 1.9 -74 21 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205800 20 -4 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 210000 20 -8 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 210200 17 -4 1.9 -74 23 * NIL G4WGT 1 0 210400 19 -6 1.9 -74 22 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 210600 21 -4 1.8 -74 22 * NIL DECODE 1 0 210800 0 -24 0.5 131 21 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > LF, > > Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to > 503.700 kHz. > > 73, > > Gay - G4WGT. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a004b5c1eb216e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:19:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG032-a004b5c1eb216e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:19:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzXo-0003ax-9g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzXn-0003ao-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzXl-0006VR-57 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8EAGKtW0tOlObF/2dsb2JhbACNbgXGYoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437565424" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.230.197]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01ca9cde$821fdf00$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:17:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA3CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one hrd now on 500 PA3CW test de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b5f81db6a; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:59:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49FC13800008A; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvIp-0001Is-AE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvIo-0001Ie-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:34 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvIm-0004sZ-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:34 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aMm41d0080QuhwU5CPySG6; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:26 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aPyR1d0052DDHkk3NPyR4m; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b5f81da1fef X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-861d4b5c9ddc213; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:22:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3EFAE380000BD; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ81D-0008O2-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ81D-0008Ns-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from mailout01.t-online.de ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ81B-0001bh-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de (fwd00.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout01.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ5nS-0002Wd-Aa; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:46 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bHfqPQZaZhRvwGkf8cUrF-mDOIMBkIaQ8LHPIOO6KBksOllxfHSKBx-c8j2+7cWwwa@[84.147.227.98]) by fwd00.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ5nH-0MC0jQ0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01ca9d16$77f27460$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bHfqPQZaZhRvwGkf8cUrF-mDOIMBkIaQ8LHPIOO6KBksOllxfHSKBx-c8j2+7cWwwa X-TOI-MSGID: 8e87c548-791f-4c4a-b72d-58ab7428b41e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b5c9ddb5fb5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Peter-Tjerk, dear Markus, many thanks for both mails. So we know the hundreds of reports were possible by cooperation of two hard-working guys - one in the twente-radio, receiving, the other in Markus` computer, decoding, and both connected by flash-rated internet. A great idea. Thanks a lot. Peter-Tjerk, I have a question. On Sunday, 21.2.2010 we will visit young friends in Gronau. Both are working at utwente. Could it be possible to have a look at the receiver-equipment in utwente? Please answer directly to wum.staubach@t-online.de or DJ2LF@DARC.de 73 and many thanks again. Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pieter-Tjerk de Boer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > > > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports > > between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be a > > hard-working guy ). > > Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR > decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. > > So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by > someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. > > 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b4a46d52a5; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:29:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11B9D3800015C; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5LH-0005l5-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5LH-0005kw-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5LE-0001C9-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13533327bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WJ1zjOWoUPzjj0MHB58Zxw/WbCGsjz0BQhgBeI3Gvi0=; b=hmIjQnNMp233ObK57wTh71pwDlVJunbWPBB7l9bTDyvvGzJLa7o3AlmPtGGMHZc7Br l7dHTU/N1cTGvpeRugoYpASD/W5Gl0u4JoQ61lu1fdpEnoNPk7K+T3pBRpp8sUjA2imK tJnZEkdj4LW+It48kergyb+U97exGuiyg6b6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fvOrG77waaW/HXSiwTpvCs1RI4CHRCv7Em9KWp06h65ejDKjrzaeweQG/Wc271pjCz 3YeNDxva0ZZ2NLGpWcnkxXm4WEFVl6iqLwwzfPCbY3OST4Fa9hpjJD6vLH/JpfB9cSSZ Qlv1yPDmXW3Yqs1if7FUTS5qia7RKANh1GhGs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.133 with SMTP id f5mr3158889bkb.157.1263158931015; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:50 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b4a46d31b42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some friends10-20kms further away to listen? :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Clemens Paul > >Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, > > I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km.= -:) > Anyway, new distance record for you! > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:00 > G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:32 > G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:40 > G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM > *Subject:* LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight > > My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking > especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good > ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band > around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ------------------------------ > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: 01/09= /10 > 08:35:00 > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some friends1= 0-20kms further away to listen? :-))

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
>Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg,
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=A02010-01-09 00:54=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503893=A0 =A0-25=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:00=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503896=A0 =A0-22=A0 =A01=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:10=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503893=A0 =A0-18=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:16=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503895=A0 =A0-23=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010= 12:54=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overni= ght

My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight= .=20 Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would we= lcome=20 "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle= of the WSPR band=20 around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
Rog= er=20 G3XBM

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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM

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--00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.9]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b60bd7e182; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:26:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61E9C380001BF; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGK3-00070u-B8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGK2-00070l-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:14 +0000 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGJz-0007kk-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:14 +0000 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so7661qwf.16 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094b60bd7d5245 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof, Must be WE2XGR/6 as there is no WE2XGR/B -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On 1/27/10, Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello all, > > Last night I had excellent aural reception of WE2XGR/B and VX9MRC. > WE2XGR/B was approximately 12 dB stronger than the bandnoise and Joe 10 dB. > > 27-01-2010 03:00 UTC WE2XGR/B 507.300 kHz > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > Best regards, > Roelof > ===================================================================== > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > Locator: JO11tm > > Receiver: > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > ====================================================================== > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-85fe4b561e4e37b; 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boundary=000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b561e4c1cb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roger, I should have stated USB. sorry. Gary. 2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn > What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? > > 73s > Roger g3XBM > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Martin, >> >> Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. >> >> I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be >> able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping >> for others to try decoding. >> >> I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. >> I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Martin Evans >> >>> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >>> >>> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >>> >>> Can't decode it, of course. >>> >>> Martin GW3UCJ. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger,

I should have stated USB.

sorry.

Gary.


2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary pl= ease?

73s
Roger g3XBM

2010/1/1= 9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

<= /div>
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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--000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b601ed4202; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:09:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 605A9380000A2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5k3-0002Pz-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5k3-0002Pq-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na5k1-0000ig-Jo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ED77B8050 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7503631E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:11 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:18 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100127110711.7503631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b601ed23255 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, I guess we just caught a propagation dip. When you called I could just copy bits and pieces of the call, enough to assume it was you and gave a 339 report. During the the signal went up to Q4 and Q5 at the end. Ten minutes after the QSO I could hear you testing with a solid 559 signal. Nice to work you in CW, after our previous ThorX and PSK31QSo's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 01:18 27/01/2010, you wrote: >Thank for the report Jay , > > I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult >cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi > >73 - G .. > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: >Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > > > > > Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... > > 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD > > FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 > > 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.79]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-862b4b50a9e5311; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C39403800018D; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqEV-0002aK-0j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqEU-0002aB-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqER-00053N-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:14 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAPM3UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMI4QxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280303486" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:45:05 +0000 Message-ID: <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA960A.767E2BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b50a9e21742 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA960A.767E2BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger 3 wspr carriers now visible but only PA0AM decoding, all would= be readable in QRS 3 all good visibility mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? 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Roger 3 wspr carriers now visible but= only PA0AM=20 decoding, all would be readable in QRS 3 all good visibility
mal/g3kev
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
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post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWhJ-0005sD-Re for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWhJ-0005s4-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWWhH-0007El-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoGALi1UktZ8+E4/2dsb2JhbACIKssmgjeBewQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,291,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="436893486" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.243.225.56]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 15:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier 503.4 K/cs de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b5af3e435d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:04:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E95B380000A3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYfdd-0005A9-3u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYfdc-0005A0-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:52 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYfdZ-0002zQ-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:52 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1699163bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:02:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=WgTKLBawpoewHg6DmZdyHdRwx7B84YcikzCXXipzfZE=; b=T9tVnvuwhEZjg6K5ww+aCcq0a2QkDZyPe4B9cGUE/79RWHgbpH2LMQueg+szi1OgLZ 3lTWxJjD3j0XE3KYlg5TDlz09CRNYQ/cTWrI5a2YL4BbkyVfBHxuShgPchXahj2AlGHv RQ2xKVAMp53DzIQNgeEgzeSeOejU2m1JmhGXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bfMTvlogc+9AB+w24HUbERyyeDqe5AhsJYGRQroYJV3mbxOB0rUNf9pgdcw+89SgfY aMs+s6bXMEsHMYd3P06UyYs2KDG9xdxnklXOnvxiwrtgQpXDiRD+xXh6FHM4mGktKiu2 T9aL/o3V5IeHNgtjajcpIKV/Yb7Qcnu2JheS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.79 with SMTP id u15mr2379273bkf.117.1264251762221; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b5af3e2441c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All, Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A. My results are as follows: Assumed effective height 5m ERP = 1.53mW Assumed effective height 4m ERP = 0.98mW Assumed effective height 3m ERP = 0.55mW So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and it may indeed be *lower* than this figure. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All,

Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the= classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is= a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.= 5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights= of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A.

My results are as follows:

As= sumed effective height 5m=A0=A0=A0=A0 ERP =3D 1.53mW
Assumed effective= height 4m=A0=A0=A0=A0 ERP =3D 0.98mW
Assumed effective height 3m=A0=A0= =A0=A0 ERP =3D 0.55mW

So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and= it may indeed be lower than this figure.

73s<= br>Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI053-eac84b4366f4353; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:21:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A2FA7380000B3; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSC80-0003tD-PF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSC80-0003t4-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSC7y-0001wE-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NSC7s-0002Ij-02; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:19:20 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bNCAQUZBZhDHZSow0vPMsHJ4e+f1ZZqi42rp+ausV3laxBOs0xw94dv48Fx9he8QSv@[84.147.233.101]) by fwd04.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NSC7m-25YEaG0; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003901ca8e22$e7e90200$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <1160510449@web.de> <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:19:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bNCAQUZBZhDHZSow0vPMsHJ4e+f1ZZqi42rp+ausV3laxBOs0xw94dv48Fx9he8QSv X-TOI-MSGID: b5307af3-e145-4eeb-907f-0e01f4fefa80 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b4366f242c7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Ossi, please stay on frequency. We need your signal. I think it was= only one who saw a crocodile. Don`t worry. 73 and best fer 2010 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? > entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new= year " > da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werd= e > ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 > oe5odl ossi > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > Dear Ossi, > > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our ban= ds for experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape= strip "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self expl= aning message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc. > > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the= band, with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission= as TEST or QST message. > > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciate= d amateur mode. > > > > 55, > > Hans-Albrecht > > DK 8 ND > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl > >> > > > > > > > >> Hallo victor ! > >> tu fer pic testing new antenna > >> running good in the new year hi > >> happy new year > >> 73 oe5odl ossi > >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: > >> > >>> Happy new year to all, > >>> > >>> captured ODL this morning > >>> 137710 Hz > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> Victor > >>> PA3FNY > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.88]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-5eaa4b557ec0182; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:43:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C9DD380000E2; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXAbE-0008Oe-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXAbD-0008OV-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXAbB-00043m-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from COL122-W7 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:42:03 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2010 09:42:03.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7EA5810:01CA98EB] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_" Subject: LF: WE2XGR_in_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584b557ebd0a2b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.=20 My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6 2332 -29 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2=20 0204 -24 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0302 -26 -0.4 0.511551 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0304 -25 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only: 0404 -20 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0432 -19 0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0504 -19 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) My last written record was at 06:24UT: 0624 -28 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.
My first= written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6

2332 -29  0.7 &nb= sp; 0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

so it was continue and than I= saw WE2XGR/6 and /2

0204 -24  0.8   0.511500 = 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0302 -26 -0.4   0.511551  0 WE2XG= R (BadMsg)

0304 -25  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR= (BadMsg)

and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only:

0404 -20  0.8&n= bsp;  0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0432 -19  0.6 = ;  0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0504 -19  0.8 &n= bsp; 0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

My last written record was at= 06:24UT:

0624 -28 -0.5   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg= )

I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list= only.


73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



=
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v= =E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b40ee94fa; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:23:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4FAA3380017E4; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVvA-0004WD-V3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVvA-0004W4-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVv9-0005pL-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100103191517.GYHK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:15:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100103191517.CEPF22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:15:17 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=b7oK8i92-n75Dq2t9_AA:9 a=Y2EQdKyngotNE73DeUz3x5skHHkA:4 a=gmBXsakOPyV2O1YJ9SEA:9 a=LqyZLpZ44axLD1ldLrwA:7 a=VgukEHKo78YEq4S9bvVXdnvyjzIA:4 a=m-d4AzJMVx9zMfUgoWcA:9 a=8GURyMa913sVJHdaI_YDxeayBYsA:4 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=u_B9eZw-Zy5EKGji:18 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-25258 Subject: LF: QSO with RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b40ed097e6f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Message-Boundary-25258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Just completed a two-way QRSS10 contact with RU6LA, QRB 2823km. Thanks, Ed, for your patience. This is our 2nd QSO - the first was in 2005, also using QRSS10. Pic attached of part of Ed sending my call and report.. Mike, G3XDV ========== --Message-Boundary-25258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: RU6LA at G3XDV QSO 20100103x.jpg Date: 3 Jan 2010, 19:07 Size: 7959 bytes. 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5a74b5b45c0205; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:54:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG022-5a74b5b45c0205; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:54:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYl6R-00076z-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYl6Q-00076q-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:58 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYl6N-00054m-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:58 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAKHUWktZ8Y3g/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFyBSEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437540562" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.141.224]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 18:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the rig= ht circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These sign= als are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not ge= tting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wr= ote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is desi= gned for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a= bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more impor= tantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said.= .. To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so= will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beaco= n, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a= bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduct= ion in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this ban= dwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes.= The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the= added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they= use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn = wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beaco= n, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days= perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak= signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to exp= lore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with init= ially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally goi= ng to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive us= e on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docu= mented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with= JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If= you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files= , there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf= =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than= JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a= range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red= light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G bein= g used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a= fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only= a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW= or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction= ]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user fri= endly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something= for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced= varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was per= suaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be deco= ded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spr= ead out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwid= e overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energ= y). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G wavefor= ms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.or= g and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjam= es.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite= an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate ti= ming information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503= .85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.= Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the= health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar= regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) ref= erence to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies= " guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I still see these data signals as a= waste of time=20 since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having= to wait=20 for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visible= but only an=20 odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO  if you= need an=20 immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <an= dy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= designed=20 for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a= bit=20 antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).  And more= =20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - eno= ugh=20 said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so will=20 put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.   For= a beacon,=20 WSPR has more to offer anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit wit= h a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resulting 4.75d= B=20 reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation are all the sa= me, so=20 this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable = between=20 the two modes.  The differing message contents wont affect th= e=20 efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation&n= bsp;that=20 matters - and they use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn= <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
T= hanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of you= r valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-= arranged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibili= ty of=20 really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power the= n I'd like=20 to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to te= st with=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who wo= uld value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was never= =20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although= after our=20 extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. &n= bsp; JT65x=20 was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used= for EME on=20 144 / 432 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one= of those=20 included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you dow= nload and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is in there.=
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC= to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come acros= s A, D and=20 G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)  &nb= sp;=20 There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are,= as far as I=20 can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.&n= bsp;=20 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as strai= ght=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf has a= similar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a lin= ear TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted some= thing for=20 use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.  JT4G,= the=20 widest spaced varient of them looked suitable.  = ; =20 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mo= de, =20 and in fact he modified the code to  enhance th= e decoder=20 routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the= same S/N as=20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mode= was, even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide= overall, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset = GB3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.ray= james.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html  Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generat= e from a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is avail= able to=20 keep it synched.  
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.= 7/503.85=20 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming= the=20 PIC.   Would there be any interest, bearing in mind&= nbsp;both=20 the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the= =20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has bee= n scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guar= anteed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute= to=20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapth= orn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)  refer= ence to=20 JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M=20 which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but nev= er tried=20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might unders= tand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-ba54b4b363b3a5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:31:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD107-ba54b4b363b3a5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:31:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULHk-0002Vj-IH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULHk-0002VZ-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULHi-0001fb-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAE3ESktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbADWcoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="430696232" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01ca92ca$97eed020$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de><002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Another script for EPISODE 2 of Dr WHO ???? Coming soon to a WSPR screen near you?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:36:32 +0000 > David Pratt wrote: > > > In a recent message, John P-G > > wrote ... > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > > Licence: > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > frequencies. > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > to undertake this "self-training"? > > If I decide to spend some time studying how "radio communications" > might be affected by variations in propagation conditions then why > shouldn't I collaborate with other like minded operators and pool our > resources and results. > > If at another time I decide to study how "radio communications" might > be affected by different receiving system architectures why should I > have to rely on "2-way real time message passing" to quantify my > results if I can obtain (to me) more useful and interesting results in > another way. > > Perhaps another open-minded experimenter is willing to generate some > signals for me to study? Perhaps a widely spaced group of them would > be willing to participate? > > Perhaps later the other operator might want to follow his own > investigation into transmitting antenna design, and I might act as a > remote measurement facility. > > The knowledge gained into "radio communication" is personal to each > operator - you might get nothing from my own recent investigations into > "remote HF station control and operation over the internet", and I might > get nothing from your chat with someone on 80m CW, or your 599TU > report from Aruba on 40m in a contest. > > If you gain some new insight into an aspect "radio communication" > having 2-way, real-time communications - then great, no-one is > stopping you. > > If I gain some insight into an area of "radio communication" from a > system like WSPR - then to me that's also "self-training in radio > communication". > > Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond > its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, > CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information > transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of > "self-training in radio communication". > > Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... > > > John > GM4SLV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-85fd4b612166b1; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:32:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35ADC38000074; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaMxq-0000tH-LH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaMxq-0000t8-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaMxo-0002XJ-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D2AA2DF for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <004001ca9f65$80786e90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b6121651319 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andrey, just traces of your signal, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, Many thanks for the reports! I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce power. Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. Power 5 W. Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. Thanks! 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Andrey,
 
just=20 traces of your signal,
 
73
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 rn3agc
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon= AGC (+=20 new announcement)

Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF,<= /FONT>
 
Many thanks for the reports!=
I am very surprised such good resul= ts. Now I will=20 try to further reduce power.
Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137= 775.5,=20 dfcw90.
Power 5=20 W.
Who will have the opportunity, plea= se watch for=20 the beacon.
 
Thanks!
 
 
73 Andrey
 
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-a7d34b4fa0df125; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B06093800006B; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVYZo-0003es-Cn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVYZo-0003ej-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVYZl-0005Xu-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi72.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3F81151F for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.195] by mcgi72.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> <201001142307210931.0963EDD2@smtp2.numeo.fr> Message-Id: <970333614.1263509634.54149464.8780@mcgi72.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b4fa0dc6aef X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! Too many times I'm looking to the corner's of my house and to the near buildings and dream about half-wave or similar LF/MF antenna. http://rw3adb.narod.ru/dipol/rw3adb0.JPG The blue variant around 100m's long on the 70 m's to 55 m's The green variant is more then 220 m's long each 70 m's high. But it is a dream only... Thoroughfare, kindergarten and yards with the small child's over the wires. I don't know whats wires which will be do not destroyed by the ice at winter time here for the similar lengths. Own providers use a steel rope 10mm's diameter for fiber-optics cables suspension strands. The max length are the similar to the blue 1/4 length. That ropes looking are very dangerous every winter over the 10-15cm's snow over each trace. -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a844b50b26828f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:22:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA084-a844b50b26828f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:22:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqni-00042G-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqni-000427-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqng-0001f1-A8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82FA7B8047 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D47F3862 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2289618056; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from 153.149-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (153.149-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.149.153]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20100115192124.tm2gal8t2c0g08k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.149.153 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lee, the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Lee Hudson : > Hi Mal, > > I've got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz > Do seem centred about 504.000 > All are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur activity. > > Also a strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as =20 > the cat whiskers earlier which showed similar traces, but probably =20 > unrelated and local to me. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 15 January 2010 17:06 > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: Dirty carrier > > Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. =20 > Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? > > G3KEV > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: =20 > 01/15/10 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.138]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-860a4b608af1369; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E30538000092; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCx3-0003dL-DX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCx3-0003dC-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaCx1-00057v-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id afUF1d00D0bG4ec5Bip9Hf; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aip71d00E2DDHkk3Pip79A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca9f81$300f0a10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <168F7F330270493183FC0D8F85E4B729@AGB> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:47:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4b608aef78cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 G Interesting. Started monitoring 502.4 kHz WSPR when home at noon today...so will be looking for early spots today. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > Ok Jay > > Yes odd night as the signals into EU where quite low , no spots from the SV station > either ....very deep qsb , even Finbar faded out at one time ! > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:14 AM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > >> >> Graham >> >> Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, there was room to spare >> with the two spots at >> -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the pond! >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT >> >> >>> Thank for the report Jay , >>> >>> I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t >>> early on ... rf was going the other way hi >>> >>> 73 - G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >>> Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT >>> >>>> >>>> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >>>> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>>> 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-86604b40fe571d2; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:30:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9A583800061F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX48-0005ia-AI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX47-0005iR-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRX45-0006J2-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 247121C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1704A1C00083 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6F2331C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103202832455.6F2331C00081@mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <147798FDC48D4E7CA02A2381502B55E5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b40fe320523 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its like comparing Apples and Bananas .. err .. sounds more like th= e Watford gap beacon syndrome ... an amusing window of time , wher= e those who elected to live in the frozen north of the country ,= watched from a afar as our southern counterparts proceeded to flood= the land with beacon ground wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed= post's and qrt's ...these days the land still floods but only by ac= t of ..... whoever=20 EU "Vanity" station .. well the same station transmitted the zl2afp= sounder system in ssb and produced some useful results http://group= s.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder ... at least we kn= ow why psk31 doesn't travel too well on 500=20 And holds the 500 distance record to the north of china .... Vanity= ?=20 G .. ))=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Hi Roger and LF 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocat= ion and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It= 's a wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply= . 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity"= stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does= not have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can se= e so it is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= Neanderthal brain. =20 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on= TV over the week end and ......... =20 Harry Lime said ..... "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias= , they had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelange= lo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have= brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what= did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!" =20 =20 Think on!=20 73 es HNY petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its like comparing Apples and Bananas   .. err  ..= sounds=20 more like the  Watford gap beacon syndrome ...  an amusing= =20 window  of time  , where  those who elected to  li= ve in=20 the  frozen north of the  country , watched from a afar as= our=20 southern counterparts proceeded to flood the  land with  bea= con ground=20 wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed post's and qrt's ...these days= the =20 land still floods but only  by act of  ..... whoever
 
EU "Vanity"  station .. well the  same station transmit= ted the=20 zl2afp sounder system in ssb and  produced some useful results&nb= sp; http://groups.google.c= om/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder =20 ... at least we know  why psk31 doesn't travel too  well&nbs= p; on 500=20
 
And holds the 500  distance reco= rd=20 to the  north of china .... Vanity ?=20
 
G .. ))
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb

Hi Roger and LF
 
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s al= location=20 and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas.= It's a=20 wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= =20 propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't= =20 apply.
 
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU= "Vanity"=20 stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation= does not=20 have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can= see so it=20 is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= =20 Neanderthal brain.  
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third= Man was on=20 TV over the week end and .........  
 

Harry Lime sa= id .....=20  "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfar= e, murder=20 and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci= , and the=20 Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had= 500 years=20 of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo= =20 clock!"  =20

=20

Think on!=20


73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Ro= ger=20 Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From:=20 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:= LF: Anti=20 Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturd= ay, 2=20 January, 2010, 22:20

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.ne= t>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ= is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamp= ed by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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G3XBM    GQR= P 1678=20      ISWL=20 G11088



------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME084-9e24b58a611238; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:08:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME106-9e24b58a611238; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:08:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2N4-0006VX-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2N4-0006VO-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2N2-0008A3-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAN40WEtcG7Bg/2dsb2JhbACNbwbMFoQ8BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,319,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="289187183" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.27.176.96]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 19:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:06:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik's figures are always exaggarated could be plus/minus 100 dB either= way. Recent dipole gain figures from Rik indicated that I am running= 400 mw erp. whereas some months ago his estimate on received signals from me= was 20 plus watts and here there has been no changes here same old TX= /ANTENNA. Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESS= WORK, think of a figure juggle it about and publish. In the amateur context depending on site, theory and practical are of= ten a long way apart. When I have queried these figures there is NO RESPONSE G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Dear Jim, Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours,= I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate th= e most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on= Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little= optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether th= e truth is somewhere in between. Would much appreciate this. Thanks 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rik's figures are always exaggarated= could be=20 plus/minus 100 dB either way. Recent dipole gain=20 figures from Rik indicated that I am running 400 mw=20 erp.
    whereas some month= s ago his=20 estimate on received signals from me was 20 plus watts and here= =20 there has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA.
 Figures from=20 others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESSWORK, think of= a=20 figure juggle it about and publish.
In the amateur context depending on= site,=20  theory and practical are often a long way apart.
When I have queried these figure= s there is NO=20 RESPONSE
G3KEV
   
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 21,= 2010 5:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chan= ce of some=20 new ERP estimates please?

Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF= reflector=20 in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and= expertise=20 to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM pl= ease.=20 Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being= a little=20 optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether= the truth=20 is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this.=20 Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a744b5a0e28253; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:44:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA064-a744b5a0e28253; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:44:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQLX-0002g1-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQLX-0002fs-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQLV-0007Qf-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so1055164pwj.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:43:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ST+XS2xrV6Q6B0WIT7T0t7xv/nDp1E3xPWZSuhW02u8=; b=URjwRnsnTyrlegysdhlNkhQ5yd0BpCJicCYZSN5IhWAQJVY45wgu2x5oooak+4k06z KXuHrKOiFD57J9Ye+LWa/Ql6HGSwWCa9USNXiDdrnc1b+gAhcVzGKE0p2U1Ob/EVs08H DYCuZtqz4j2P8nxLRVQHc+KYNE7TgEJ3m9WeA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hsn98w9QAurVFCXZUoOcbyl0PErk/hOWTKSGgZ/vEsTwokxItFc5RGfEbr9zOVeuFb ztfGAQ7kwsdN8e8ReFF+ZfNuZgPTH2qLpAczPASgYfUNBoH+OZI5vKqB8gOyAkty54kJ Guny5ISsufdCN8gGOl+v5rOzcimPHQ1DJ07KI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr2342762rvl.250.1264192981094; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:43:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:01 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70985394019949f9 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, LF, Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. Thanks for the 2 way. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 ******************************************************************************* 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any > decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I > just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ > calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > --000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim, LF,

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4= A 2 way contact ??

Thanks Jim, looks like my chan= ge of sound card did the trick.
Thanks for the 2 way.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.

202100 20 =A0= -4 -0.1 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0= 0=A0
202200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0M0BMU G4WGT IO= 83 OOO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
202300 15 =A0-14 -0.1 =A0-24 28 * =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202500 21 =A0 -6 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0= G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202700 21 =A0 -3 -0.1= =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202800 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0RRR =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
202900= 21 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 27 * =A0 =A0 =A0 FB GARY 73 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203000 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A07= 3 G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=
203100 22 =A0 -2 =A00.0 =A0-24 30 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0FINALLY JIM SK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0=A0
203300 13 =A0 -8 =A00.2 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BM= U SK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203400 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TU DE G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
203500 21 =A0= -5 =A00.4 =A0-24 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0 HI HII =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0

******************************= *************************************************

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT &l= t;g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening &a= mp; I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decodi= ng a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before ch= anging Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even= minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

--000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-86014b5b0bf92fc; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:47:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48DC838000047; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhFy-0005om-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhFy-0005od-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhFv-00061Y-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1730856bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q274Q1Q0ewYJo88VoM1ruGcJPcowNVd+u9wOemlj0cU=; b=tWYjzUDvVZY455I/oiSqTKy1x5ABCHWOiGzJNuwxjPEmn18TxMNcKMraUtAsmpe174 kgKauf0XtKY45nwBS1AxQ2t9qgy1KXu2ixmf66gMYdDefphVy6hyGXH+Dmv9+GwFO1Is TacdNpM2w9P+RM7TiXnGqXf1QHyr3/NFxZ8mQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=D+nPpNJc/PHyY0EVOzHbTcpoz7a1lTKq6VcXjWzg4BM7XmkMenkr30qBrHCCcofrw9 OXOqPVO64D3zUakyYzXwDl8Raxvb0EItCAgATu1I9VqKte606ro0ikgqmAgY0HDOTizT ms8vFYKhNRAzkAClyajBlaFkko6WQmBjFvxeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.150 with SMTP id l22mr2307795bkl.171.1264257986188; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:25 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b5b0bf87f87 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Rik. It is good to know that the your figures more or less agree having done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me these simulations please? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Roger, > > I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the > current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the tophat > works well and the effective height will be more or less the physical > height. > The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 A a > radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). > In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently), > probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. > > Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > > All, >> >> Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the classic >> formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is a 5m long >> vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not >> being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or >> 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A. >> >> My results are as follows: >> >> Assumed effective height 5m ERP = 1.53mW >> Assumed effective height 4m ERP = 0.98mW >> Assumed effective height 3m ERP = 0.55mW >> >> So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and >> it may indeed be lower than this figure. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rik.

It is good to know that the your figures more or less= agree having done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me the= se simulations please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Roger,

I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the cur= rent through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the tophat= works well and the effective height will be more or less the physical hei= ght.
The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 A= a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP).
In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently),= probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP.

Very impressive that it covers over 1200km.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>:

All,

Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =A0classic= formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =A0antenna is a 5m= long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =A0about 1.5m x 1.5m= . Not being clear how to model the top hat I =A0assumed effective heights= of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna =A0current is 0.12A.

My results are as follows:

Assumed effective height 5m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 1.53mW
Assumed effective height 4m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 0.98mW
Assumed effective height 3m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 0.55mW

So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad =A0estimate,= and it may indeed be lower than this figure.

73s
Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
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--00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-8c074b40c7a3125; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:36:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E0AF3800006F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRTQl-0002Zc-7B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRTQk-0002ZT-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRTQi-0004ea-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGAItVQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLD4IJwX2EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="404237985" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 16:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01ca8c92$bcd526c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:35:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b40c7a23699 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty over= XMAS and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or otherwise? g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've bee= n warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called= him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give= Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not= yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band to= t the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those= able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publicatio= n is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been ad= equately informed about the process. It is not even clear if notificat= ions to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs hav= e already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this= reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and= therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'r= adio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band wit= hout official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO= with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch= Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radi= o Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiments tra= nsmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future= will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact'= as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's,= starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's= from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy'= but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on= his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radioze= ndamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over= de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wa= t de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie= tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de= 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De veren= igingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen= een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de= verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment.= Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmer= king kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor= de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WHY so much fuss about this station= PA0A, what=20 about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others= . Are=20 these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 4:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we'v= e been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called him=20 although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates=20 a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= =20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M.= Sanders=20 <misan@xs4all.nl&= gt;=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A= on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc= :=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
=
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the offi= cial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experiment= al=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio= =20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able= to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publicati= on is=20 quoted below. However not all their memebers= seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the pr= ocess. It=20 is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transmis= sions like=20 the one recorded below and and therfore QSO's= with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio= =20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an fre= quency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amat= eurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting= date=20 somewhere in the future will be in order= , and not=20 legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-= 1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich= history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first= succesful=20 trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse,= was=20 convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the Judge= =20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tende= ncy to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot= 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op= 7 oktober=20 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz= band. De=20 verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het= uitzenden=20 in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die= voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultate= n van het=20 onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingsc= ommissie=20 voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een= rapport=20 indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek= te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de= inhoud van=20 de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenig= ingen nog=20 overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorw= aarden voor=20 de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidde= ls met de=20 VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder= =20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwo= ordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuel= e=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen ko= men voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Individ= uele aanvragen=20 voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door= =20 Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">
Zo= dra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beken= d via deze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

&nb= sp;

 
----- Original Message ---= --
Sent: Friday, Janua= ry 01, 2010=20 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the tw= o of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:56:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Victor, I observe 503100, there are no traces... The receiver will work up to the morning. 73 Andrey Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Südostbayern,12,90006°O/48,4150°N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-901575245-1262535071=:89933" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40c1e73a3f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl&g= t; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


=20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.204]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b5783372f9; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:27:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4B3FB38000074; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXj0I-0001Cj-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXj0I-0001CZ-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXj0G-0001VG-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8638151C001 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6826F31E702 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 91F3918056; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from 79.98-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (79.98-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.98.79]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <20100120232608.i80okx8y880gc0gg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.242.98.79 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4b5783356a4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, Lubos, congrats to both. Roger: next stop Iceland ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! > > Thank you so very very much for finding my tiny signal. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3= =BD? 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I will put the power up a bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures > WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync = 9 > dB = -2 > DT = 0.0 > DF = -107 > W = 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > > Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd1380613ecbc047dc787e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the pow= er up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
As said I haven't read any instructio= ns / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies= of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.









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F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b4dfab2343; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:54:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 77E2F3800008F; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6SZ-0004TB-1k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6SY-0004T2-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6SU-0001PM-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:42 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so15806407bwz.4 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:52:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CGWM2IHMyRS4Q9efjYNC/bHe2sdVbAyO+ykm0FTnt0w=; b=Ok2ZJLdWJizL/VOjVVKSCNkzCKnRMHmTR9fwLcvKtoBqrFByv+IXI7ZirZUgyYLS9n Kryu3FUkuBNwquKfNhB02kk/orsoLHqLXGeCTPiiqWHyLs3vHWWFforUkKnJNxF/ZEv0 Z/X7uvoknkUPj5aUAQmgnU60l1dtqipsV8px8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OTMGQWraHpoU1tlbOHyeV3IqIChKr+o4NeF23z9Z8yiervYCoUtF6LVzGXEufgG7LH 9+RNY1rGys7LGgGRn+yjnoEbaKmz+YaiBgFRwg7pxSZszqf6/wck+wQUDL5GZxDl/4T4 r7FOlXlpGKJvlmT60oXBNl58L9cpIf8rAfID4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.199 with SMTP id q7mr313206hbh.12.1263401548333; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:52:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4dfab0042d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those transmitters consist of a full bridge output, where the connection to the series LC is hard switched to alternately +V or -V. The result is a low impedance voltage source driving the tank. Such a transmitter requires a series tuned circuit at Fo to select the wanted component while appearing as a high impedance to all harmonics. So you will not see any drain (source of the upper device) waveform oteh rthan the square wave outptu plus any incidental small spikes, that ideally shouldn't be there. Contrast with a class E that alternately switches to ground then opens, allowing the voltage peak to fly off to whatever the C-L-C network allows it to reach. Tnx for the replies to my - originall light hearted - comment about needing a 1kW PA. It looks simpler than at first thought, so I just 'may' get round to adding it to the project to-do list (after retirement / quitting - getting ever closer). The 137kHz 700 Watt jobbie was straightforward enough - it was uncontrolled transients that caused problems there as I was running from such a high Vcc (340 Volts) that layout mattered. Keeping with a 50V rail ought to simplify things somewhat. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/13 mal hamilton > Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes > a > single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. > It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting > L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. > mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM > Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx > > > > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less > when > > the tank circuit is resonant. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > From: "mal hamilton" > > To: "rsgb" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM > > Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx > > > > > > Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the > > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching > characteristics > > like in class E > > mal/g3kev > > > > > > > --001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Those transmitters consist of a full bridge output, where the connect= ion to the series LC is hard switched to=A0alternately +V or -V.=A0=A0The= result is a low impedance voltage source driving the tank.=A0=A0=A0=A0 Su= ch a transmitter requires a series tuned circuit at Fo to select the wante= d component while appearing as a high impedance to all harmonics.=A0=A0 So= you will not see any drain (source of the upper device) waveform oteh rth= an the square wave outptu plus any incidental small spikes, that ideally= shouldn't be there.
=A0
Contrast with a class E that alternately switches to ground then open= s, allowing the voltage peak to fly off to whatever the C-L-C network allo= ws it to reach.=A0=A0
=A0
Tnx for the replies to my - originall light hearted - comment about= needing a 1kW PA.=A0 It looks simpler than at first thought, so I just = =A0'may' get round to adding it to the project to-do list (after= retirement / quitting - getting ever closer).=A0 The 137kHz 700 Watt jobb= ie was straightforward enough - it was uncontrolled transients that caused= problems there as I was running from such a high Vcc (340 Volts) that lay= out mattered.=A0=A0=A0 Keeping with a 50V rail ought to simplify things so= mewhat.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/13 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Tnx Jim for reply, but since= a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes a
single frequency tx it= is getting close to class E design.
It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting=
L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output.
mal/g3kev=


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz"= <james.moritz@btopenwo= rld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject= : LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>= ; In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less wh= en
> the tank circuit is resonant.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
&= gt; 73 de M0BMU
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: &q= uot;mal hamilton" <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January= 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx
>
>
&= gt; Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the<= br> > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching
chara= cteristics
> like in class E
> mal/g3kev
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--001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a7e4b535d46177; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA076-a7e4b535d46177; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWaHK-00009X-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWaHK-00009O-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWaHI-0008Sd-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0HIt31a023361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:25:03 -0330 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:25:03 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Many thanks for the capture and very clear copy of the beacon. It was QRT shortly after your reception, but has resumed operation. 73 Joe On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Nice capture VX9MRC, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 16-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-5eb24b50e03019b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA954380000ED; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtqh-0007RE-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtqh-0007R5-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtqg-0006oi-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from COL122-W47 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:36:47 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:36:47 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 21:36:47.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7259E00:01CA962A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b50e02e7903 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116&= nbsp; 10  1.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

Lubos,= OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b694b5330c0258; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694b5330c0258; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:46:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXJO-0006IZ-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXJN-0006IQ-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWXJL-0007S5-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4551B1C00088 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 306421C0008B for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.28.180]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 782501C00088 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117154454492.782501C00088@mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:44:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines showing, only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr frequency to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier > 503.4 K/cs > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b60c5c761; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:01:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8525038000116; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGsI-0007rk-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGsH-0007ra-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:37 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGsE-0008Fo-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:37 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CDB135687 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID760oaAXab0470X02; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:27 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID760oaAXab0470X02 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.217.9] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 051oaAXay3872M40; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.9 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B60C585.4000507@usa.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:00:21 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAB@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B5EECA7.6060702@usa.net> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID051oaAXay3872X40 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FUZZY_OCR=0.000,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: AW: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020802040104050606010802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b60c5c4087d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020802040104050606010802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/27/2010 12:52 AM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: 
Hi Alberto, 
 
Tnx for reply. Let us know about your loop preamp if it is finished.
Surely Stefan, I will.

On this subject, does anybody have a first hand experience with this component (OPA847) ? On paper it looks very good...

73  Alberto  I2PHD

       

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<1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> <1128689800.1264030506.47635240.13375@mcgi64.rambler.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:49:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d01bc772f8f48631 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211049n403bb863j5cc5244b3adedc99@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174b58a21d341e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roman, I do not know where the signal came from, I think it must have been generated with the other sound card. The strange thing was that it was not there during daylight. Having just stated that about signal not there during daylight, the street light outside nearby has just developed a fault, it now keeps going off for 30 to 60 seconds & coming back on again. The "signal" could be due to the faulty street light, waiting now for the local authority engineers to repair the light. When it has been repairedI can connect back to the other sound card & check. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/20 Roman RW3ADB > Hi Gary, LF! > OK, I'm understood. > There is no any ideas what is a signal? > > Roman > > * Gary - G4WGT [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]: > > Roman, LF, >> >> I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum >> line >> that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a >> > repeated > >> 1 >> minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken >> > into > >> 1 >> minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box >> for >> clearer display. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> > Hi Gary, LF! >> > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. >> > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. >> > Is't real to be an NDB ID. >> > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. >> > >> > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 >> +0000]: >> > >> >> Hi All at LF, >> >> >> >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" >> > radios > >> >> using >> >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a >> >> >> > couple >> > >> > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? >> > That signal is absent today on the grabber. >> > >> > of >> >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. >> > Yet > >> >> >> > it >> > >> >> was >> >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. >> >> >> >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was >> > the > >> >> signal >> >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference >> had >> >> disappeared as well. >> >> >> >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound >> >> >> > card >> > >> >> is >> >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> >> > Hi Tracey, >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following >> >> >> > UNID >> > >> >> :- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> 498.7< >> > >> >> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > >> > > >> > >> >> > *NT* 0 UNID >> >> >> >> >> >> XUU > >> > >> >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 >> >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID >> >> when/if >> >> > it gets strong enough. >> >> > >> >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner >> >> > >> >> > Hello Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> >> >> >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that >> there >> >> are a >> >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> >> >> >> >> Tracey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> >> >> >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in >> at >> >> about >> >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At >> >> >> > times >> > >> >> there >> >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher >> which >> >> looks >> >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an >> NDB >> >> on that >> >> >> frequency. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few >> kHz >> >> either >> >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as >> > the > >> >> >> > HF >> > >> >> side of >> >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may >> > be > >> >> >> interested. >> >> >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi LF! >> >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 >> > kHz? > >> >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Roman RW3ADB. >> > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman,

I do not know where the signal came from, I= think it must have been generated with the other sound card.=A0The strang= e thing was that it was not there during daylight.

Having just stated that about signal not there during daylight, the stre= et light outside nearby has just developed a fault, it now keeps going off= for 30 to 60 seconds & coming back on again.

The "signal" could be due to the faulty stre= et light, waiting now for the local authority engineers to repair the ligh= t. When it has been repairedI can connect back to the other sound card &am= p; check.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>



2010/1/20 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
Hi Gary, LF!
OK, I'm understood.
There is no any ideas what is a signal?

Roman

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]:
=

Roman, LF,

I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spec= trum
line
that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a
repeated
1
minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken
into
1
minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box
for
clearer display.

73, Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>

> Hi Gary, LF!
> TNX to all for the details and participation in identification.
> I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute.
> Is't real to be an NDB ID.
> Some time he was like a carrier on the screen.
>
> * Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59
+0000]:
>
>> Hi All at LF,
>>
>> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz.
>>
>> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real= "
radios
>> using
>> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to= Rx a
>>
> couple
>
> Do you tried to rx today or yesterday?
> That signal is absent today on the grabber.
>
> =A0of
>> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800= kHz.
Yet
>>
> it
>
>> was
>> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber= .
>>
>> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only= was
the
>> signal
>> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interfe= rence
had
>> disappeared as well.
>>
>> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sou= nd
>>
> card
>
>> is
>> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.
>>
>> 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>> > Hi Tracey,
>> >
>> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the= following
>>
> UNID
>
>> :-
>> >
>> >
>>
>> =A0498.7<
>

http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_khz_1= =3D498.7&filter_khz_2=3D498.7&limit=3D-1
> >
>
>> > *NT* =A0 0 =A0 UNID
>>
>>

XUU<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/= ?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_itu=3DXUU>
>
>> > =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28
>> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy= an ID
>> when/if
>> > it gets strong enough.
>> >
>> > 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>
>> >
>> > =A0Hello Gary
>> >>
>> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
>> >>
>> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll= find that
there
>> are a
>> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area.
>> >>
>> >> Tracey
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8
>> >>
>> >> Hi Roman, LF,
>> >>
>> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.
>> >>
>> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the sig= nal fades in
at
>> about
>> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following= morning. At
>>
> times
>
>> there
>> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz= higher
which
>> looks
>> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists= for an
NDB
>> on that
>> >> frequency.
>> >>
>> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency= & a few
kHz
>> either
>> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as we= ll as
the
>>
> HF
>
>> side of
>> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne= who may
be
>> >> interested.
>> >>
>> >> 73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi LF!
>> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber arou= nd 498.8
kHz?
>> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_49= 8.8/capt500-4.jpg
>> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_= 498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Roman RW3ADB.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
>
>




--
Roman RW3ADB.


--000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC033-864f4b57871833e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FF9738000094; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjGD-0001cZ-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjGD-0001cQ-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjGA-0000MY-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.67] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjGA-0006Nb-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B578700.4050701@inext.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:43:12 +0100 From: oberreiter oswald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b5787166e20 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Am 20.01.2010 18:56, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Ossi, tnx for transmission yesterday in the night up to 2 o clock! > In the moment i built my first own RX on a ham band ever with very satis= fying results. I used ur sugnal to compare it to the K2. Screenshot will= follow ;-) > > 73 es awdh! > > Stefan / DK7FC > =20 servus Stefan! ja bin meistens in der nacht qrv um die conds zu beobachten mal besser=20 mal schlechter hi eben langwelle. zur zeit mache ich meistens qrrs 2.5 mit einer eigenbaupa von oe5eep=20 der vfo ist freilaufend im wahrsten sinne des wortes hi aber auf qrss3 ist das egal . die meiste zeit bin ich am antennenverschlimmbessern hi manchmal gehts sogar besser aber das ist nicht immer der fall , wenn ich bedenke dass die erste verbindung ueber 120 km vor 11 jahren=20 eine riesenfreude gemacht hat . wir dachten damals, meine freunde oe5eep und oe5pgl die antenne geht schon gut hi, heute weis ich dass es sicher keine langwellenantenne war hi . vor 11 jahren war eben alles anders hi alles nur in cw ein qso uber 1000= =20 km dauerte oft 90 minuten bis jeder das rufzeichen richtig hatte heute macht man das mit wspr in millisekunden also nicht=20 selber sondern der pc . da kann man dann sagen mein guter pc hat wieder ein neues land=20 gearbeitet hi . die zeiten aendern sich eben . zur zeit habe ich 20 laender auf lw gearbeitet die meisten in cw . und einen swl raport aus usa . so wie ich dass hier in europa mitbekomme wird jeden tag aus usa=20 gesendet und hier empfangen. leider hoert uns niemand oder beobachtet das eu tx band in usa . manchmal kommt die station aus usa mit nur 200 watt hier sehr gut an da muessten die freunde in usa uns auch empfangen koennen? meinen usa raport bekam ich auf 137775. also was solls werde eben doch einnen drachen steigen lassen muessen so=20 wie du hi . geht ueberigens sehr gut deine drachenantenne hast sicher hier in eu das= =20 staerkste signal. awdh de ossi oe5odl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9e44b561437190; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME108-9e44b561437190; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:21:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKYi-0002vC-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKYh-0002v3-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKYe-0008Ke-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:15 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so248564bwz.29 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:20:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eo/WPLEO0VEtZVmkgMDF6KGyaR4gM6CAf0RDLPkqn0s=; b=dQjmvXywRj8YjOn7s2fk6G/tA/OZDxr6xn/nh4RhRatTX2IacIZmQU/tuV9WJIFCnW zsG/IENlIV9rzc0iIW5yacd6++gG4YIazMYJ6H4SCFINY04svs2PIpsSj9ypr9+lH6KE FyP/KOJ6Oi+cfL06ncAJoujZjbn7B4FW+k5Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RdcS79Y/psuKZEL2crgCQY59Y/P5gz36NQTGxLVpqO5XI9JLaDdxGtBojy4MKHcXHl GwhvxJgCCrz2HW10ByfVRz0j91XgxofCcymEa6RjsrDwfhAzEDpH7nlwhyEdpHuMdAqv Sk0mxQ1cXc+LxMyjuWBxNniWNZbfVSXXbxnP4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.135.217 with SMTP id o25mr4636342bkt.105.1263932406672; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? 73s Roger g3XBM 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Martin, > > Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. > > I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be > able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping > for others to try decoding. > > I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. > I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > >> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >> >> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >> >> Can't decode it, of course. >> >> Martin GW3UCJ. >> >> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please?

73s
Roger g3XBM
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT = <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Martin,
=
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

=
I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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--0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8e64b50ea692a0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:21:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b50ea692a0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:21:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuWx-0000Ho-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuWx-0000Hf-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuWu-0003sv-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 1228 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from 188-23-186-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.186.96]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2010 22:20:26 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1263594026.5428.7.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabber in OE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear group! I have set up a temporary grabber under http://grabber.mine.nu . It covers the range from 137670 to 137820. It will update every 2 Minutes. The Antenna is my Marconi which I usually also use for TX and the RX is my TS440s. I will keep it running during the night. Cheers and 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-86244b45f20b2a6; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:39:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB06A38000107; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NStUX-0002F2-FQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NStUX-0002Et-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NStUV-0004rp-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 11359 invoked by uid 507); 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60204b637b4c43b8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dimitry,LF Strong signal here F4DTL JN18FP IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010 In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru writes: Hi LF XGJ visible now in RA3 Dmitry ra3yo --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dimitry,LF Strong signal here
 
F4DTL JN18FP
 
IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010
 
In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru= =20 writes:
Hi=20 LF

XGJ visible now in=20 RA3

Dmitry
ra3yo

= --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-86a54b61f07a244; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1111738000077; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naaks-0003RW-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naaks-0003RN-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naakp-0001yD-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so763168pwj.4 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=x5o4HO1jbNJmU47upUbR8wT2P/vmr/RQ5z/kFOOAa0U=; b=rVpDGxxeBfll4SgnZWZWqOoFhjX5IFVGgyylztBWJ46fmG27QvQbxNm2J3DLD5j390 mTPwAshm3ej6zW25KfLbV6whwBO/7vSOCq9BYTDtkHNERvPzp7OG9tSdfQAxog2dOT+W igOrAbvNHYgEqrEBwlRP7RbViaFh85B3VrsgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=vUGtd39uitEOBUNHU+8lIlTZ0HGhOfLm4edwKy1bY5ZtX8delZttDMiL6+BL/1i/8n cyGEOqfJ4Z7/XN2v9usv/EYeoiV0xLiLG08/s7QBF6/XGo/ZLGfbIQQgOcrjt7HZHGa6 SNo7o6OfnAza3c/WXb90zSeJpY8B1EaXbjrDg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.100.20 with SMTP id c20mr701161rvm.143.1264709648039; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4049479c94d04693 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 503.600 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b61f0786480 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome. 503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF,

Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome.

503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5f364b3e096835f; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:40:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF4AE38000236; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQidI-0008E6-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQidI-0008Dx-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQidI-0004En-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 54442 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 14:37:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262356653; bh=qVlCnVTDTROecTrOeob7WurytcCEkZjBt7gFbdNsp0o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z4IujQQIjgATmisR3Vt36Ac3NCkSLKCEFjRGTmRzu7mlxQtxpi8c5HeIYSyGCa2hDX30EjbaIuy1P+hAnov0EF/v75O8se6H2jrzyCOj7owQrC4IjghsAWZpXUoVAqLwTRsNFEfac/gduM6U9SUEKYmlmwRqv2uE3fjwf/AmyKE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QQxTNO39dncM819l8BxKAAVNkwe9imXNyuInHfjT1tduGxy7rdpspDla+0My/h4r1oGTNVG7OBUIMjpekNeOxlP3I3qsOfWXGGe9a0bfB+uZCtRVgidEoQKsE4j0wTz6C38atgztEkUBsvhq3XrUUzx94tW+ZwrbHdYZfXk6YQU=; Message-ID: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7cG3bogVM1nH7A17w3LVofh.voq7bj3ykYvHme4oOOhnsTv9NO4zMviQP.OgPVYfULDIV9UaiCmn2hFuQYC51ol9aeGvk_HJwT21qGmXTpk5C5J3a1YjZgIEWkU5_OvHQfagDAPDnlQrHb6oQAonrkLYNKDPcs6ST3SviLQ87z5._rqxleT40iUfRObijDOa6_ROm_qYJayIRkR.vxMaiZsgwSdxQUkU2_FpeNrEDrmpbBTfSI8- Received: from [81.155.113.30] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:37:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <0FC5C1A3629B4125BBCBBCE418C0436C@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b3e09134a4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in Essex. =A0 Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline is now on= 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex.<= /DIV>
 
Signal RS 57-9 here in No= rth Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL petefmt


=20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-8bcf4b56289bb3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:48:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B5F138000082; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLux-0004GF-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLux-0004G6-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLuv-0005sK-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4715896pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Rc5guevLS97EapVHlpbZ57L39NwJb6RbEIKQc9agyOw=; b=cPIHhZbp1RkLVCEB6GMFaMDcfQupAC5o454MrAzsy1tJ/8WhzlW2X+Wn4xaIZ17a8E cdPCTH06Wl4C+9fI72TReuSTmfhrEbNSaaMi7xJ8WLYKTnY1zzl4AhvO+gheiQSDvA98 LM1fPsGYYc8mg6sKWtZ52Xi0Q875D/4AsEUkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=RTiHlqn/Vak6kDcJoYnXGQeWknnZuzUxN6e75TTvX5FCFPi6h2J3UqrZ0zgGvq134S qMPO4M+ou2Lg4xlZZqUZ+9yKsHFn3gft5HcdgJ9CWWXLrWogO50XoSN9QZFPps/R1/mu rcwNYih4WAss8O01+WNINp3VMPA5Gi9doR20g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5805024rvm.120.1263937630610; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d6d783ac649d487 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5628996eda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated. So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2. I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night. 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies= & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated.
<= br>
So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible,= I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2.

I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for som= e reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night.

=
73

Gary - G4WGT.
--000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG104-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-00011D-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-000114-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUh9z-0000gF-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 57048 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2010 13:51:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263304303; bh=jYtSPuI//Qt3B7590/WbY6SQPzog/SVBkW7EF06WMjo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FFDzTEk46e57p02JQlbtqXRRdn5vBsYiozg17FiDcw5E7NsAn5pCy7mCPb78tSpo0zDr5oSjwjeYltnJaO8tQvqUqGHDV/toQ/C7/hk23xmle+oYaPLKmy9xUnilOkKpD1Y+j4CmfbAKYQab6hZeccHqq0lT/JRe5Ob4i49mQh0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vWoTnagzeNe7YN6t378lf/pOp/0KXWetoeK3PvKy//2WxnXioB4fAMU3u8k9LO8kjn9WvOKNOLv37ntA/JHHH71fLnOAdHjf0H1pjgfhOb5ogeM/aTtGfqqAfmaKXSVQ4pEeVorSh3CjYkMjECGoavEOw/CWG7sydDaWfJ3WmME=; Message-ID: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xup4AawVM1nz5BqNxXEpGqM2GU1jyXl.bWIlw7.IjfD_yBh7H6JdKsihitHt00Ww5EMUjv3Pc4hogtTdWitONfQFQ7O1L_ZTRpSs5UlQ0d0omIEgS4RDvZdTqBbcyVW_0bYN8DlP4V5eTnABhI2sG99kDTSA188cjkXSi12aYMPTNxagDErBYc.LRGjPDtb8EGitEiQVzngpF1FeqUAxyCmtUayREQQqw6IRq.FwwRLM7YH2Yqw- Received: from [86.130.57.5] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003a01ca9377$6c872d30$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-799213711-1263304303=:56994" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF Group =C2=A0 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness. With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method. Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no=C2=A0increase in= current. =C2=A0 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top= of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead. The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long. 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF Group

 

In an attempt to calcul= ating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get these results.

With a wire diameter of= 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF applied. This= is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A= each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightness.

With an estimated incre= ase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did not not= ice any change in antenna current by this method.

Running the calculation= through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd size of= 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.

 

The recent WX at this= location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did I would= suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inverted =E2= =80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.

The type I use is a dee= ply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.
73 es GL petefmt<= BR>


=20 --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-a7664b6443d01c5; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB95138000156; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbEPI-0002gr-8B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbEPH-0002gi-O5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:39 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com ([209.85.222.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbEPE-0001A6-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:39 +0000 Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so2787080pzk.1 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bV4mEJwmrosgfztqBelTt8QVl/MPNn3xSbN/jXJw8xc=; b=PhtXazI6qsec7d9DympPgJUEWlxk5M/+eNQbzqZUYuixJkl+spcZkYkT8IKAvj7Lxb 52tq+tcU5PSxdyH5btcl0QPoEN7icg65uvHOTeWHxYKyky5SzXzs0tYfrd5qtPZSAfTQ 5rT2CHo7frHvaurLcStCIjnEcX7fDJhBBGWoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=GZjJKaFBQJxCnt6UIy3cmmk2eD4KBGAMMf+/TBHtwQYp35+opd65Ze2oSHDgea958T JgZZEK7uHPZL5riHPwL/zmARnGWXBlnw33bRj4KfQpLinrS9/zXESu1TpHHv0w7Vl4+e +ULdZ8+bkRIrR4JMspaSAmYsHizoRlbt+2rxI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.88.31 with SMTP id l31mr1535803rvb.32.1264862068602; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:28 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 75a7db5347636887 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001300634q46947635x2f0cb7ec6b1fcc9c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 502.200 kHz GB4FPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b6443ce315f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the moment 1430utc. Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome. 73, Gary - G4WGT --000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock= , Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the moment 1430utc.

Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome.

73, Gary - G4WGT =A0
--000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-b5334b5fcf511b2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:29:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 067E238000203; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na0RN-00023T-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na0RN-00023K-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na0RK-0006q0-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA6EE1AC for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA9F19.D34B59D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54070 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b5fcf4e7f72 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA9F19.D34B59D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andrey, good copy of your qrp signal, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: dinsdag 26 januari 2010 19:35 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. 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Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Andy, The bandwidth of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz. 73, Roelof From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from 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<1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b59ff79054c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening &a= mp; I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decodi= ng a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before ch= anging Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even= minutes.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.
--000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84b5c5748118; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:20:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E5CBA38000085; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3Ji-0006PR-TF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3Jh-0006PI-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ3Je-0008GR-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigGAFbmW0tcHCXM/2dsb2JhbAAsjUIDxliEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="295036093" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.37.204]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 14:19:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca9d00$38348f90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b5c57467ad8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have already had a CW QSO with you and your 1mW. You congratulated= me on my good ears. I worked G7NKS with his mW tx this morning on CW= for the second time although only S1 I copied all his information fir= st time. So what is wspr and J4 doing for you and others that CW or QRS cannot= do? and there is no need for complicated modulation techniques. Incidentally I can read straight QRS aurally just like normal CW witho= ut a visual display. For those that prefer data modes carry on but do not exaggerate their= potential over CW and QRS, there is no advantage except perhaps the= Appliance can be left unattended while the Operator goes for a siesta= , or goes to bed early then wakes up to check a database to see if he/= she has had a bite from a little or large fish.=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have already had a CW QSO with you= and your 1mW.=20 You congratulated me on my good ears. I worked G7NKS with his mW tx&nb= sp;this=20 morning on CW for the second time although only S1 I copied all his in= formation=20 first time.
So what is wspr and J4 doing for you= and others=20 that CW or QRS cannot do? and there is no need for complicated modulat= ion=20 techniques.
Incidentally I can read straight = ;QRS aurally=20 just like normal CW without a visual display.
For those that prefer data modes carr= y on but do=20 not exaggerate their potential over CW and QRS, there is no advantage= except=20 perhaps the Appliance can be left unattended while the Operator goes= for a=20 siesta, or goes to bed early then wakes up to check a database to see= if he/she=20 has had a bite from a little or large fish.
G3KEV
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
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From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r=20 happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of=20 switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
 
be interested to find out what it is
 
Bob K3DJC
 
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b577d7a21e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
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2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2= =A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

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--001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-865f4b5b6f6323f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C61038000132; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnsG-0000dd-UR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnsG-0000dU-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnsE-00065X-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so702040pzk.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UGU0PvPDxCqIBA+jprEej1zXCYwQO7lsdywMaJCn7ss=; b=nreWWoZ9539GnbT4L0VRjXV/eG2VI1jFMFM6zQVFJnl9q5qi/NF1h+eFe3Zq7J6RW/ 6anG5WxnCF04Qum2qSqREZJGH0NWQBCdCH33sjr7e4WLYTdQx3l6vNuUKL0y8nQ6uAOq 38fAU7+fmT0tn+OL2b868Syu6tiUJW4xj+SGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EZoeGBcH204qq2Cov6fFf35xYWU1dcxO6moXK6hy/+Z9UpHbYmJpEb0MpZyTMteCUy jzGZu6Rz4jrR7pwqZc5GrmZHCPFfcDhmAzS168n7vW7zoQLR0mAPZboT4nyBKCj0BZhV s0x6ZiNv3biNRxNEzcRSRdBAXU5HuNVcTU8rk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.10 with SMTP id e10mr3281868rvi.78.1264283422468; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:22 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9b49c7afc09d2ca Message-ID: <1f0624b91001231350l61858e7ay4993e992b3bacfbf@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b5b6f62356d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, Thanks for report. You need to Tx on opposite minute for me to see/decode your signal. I am using Tx 1st (even minutes). I will watch a little longer but QRT soon. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/23 James Cowburn > Sorry but my appliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn=92t > transmiited! I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *James Cowburn > *Sent:* 23 January 2010 16:09 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > > > > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > --000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Thanks for report.

You ne= ed to Tx on opposite minute for me to see/decode your signal. I am using= Tx 1st (even minutes). I will watch a little longer but QRT soon.

73, Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/= 23 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

Sorry but my app= liance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn=92t transmiited! =A0=A0I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db

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--000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84b44c5a7369; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:17:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F46C3800024C; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSZUN-0007ZB-BE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSZUM-0007Z2-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSZUK-0000gz-8c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgEAB9UREtZ8kWG/2dsb2JhbACNSAaOaLZhhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="399349185" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.69.134]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 17:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b44c5a569e6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ th= en test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. Has anyone worked him yet ? Active now at 1710z G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil = El Haj Is,=20  near Yemen I think,  CQ then test.Good signal=20 here 569 taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-860c4b5c9be32a4; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:13:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 18F753800009A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ7sd-0008Ii-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ7sc-0008IZ-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:14 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ7sa-0001Xg-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OJCABV009062 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:10 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:10 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: JT4A simple guide? Thread-Index: AcqdGnj/6/WiKLQCTaiBzTvG8+k6vAADbTw/ References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <003301ca9d19$da767520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.185722 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D29.20EB9F14" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b5c9be10eff X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D29.20EB9F14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, i think you know what i mean ;-) The ground- and wire- and coil-losses, or the overall antenna system resis= tance (which is hopefully not almost the same) that has to be transformed= to 50 Ohm. Or in other words, what is the antenna current you get out of= 100W TX pwr? Let me bet: 2,2A ? =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 18:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan What loss ? Let me know when u want a QSO on cw 137. I have both LF and MF available= for immediate QSO'S also xband for a qso if u like 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Mal, LF, That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX level= or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and other= s not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and have the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP success. That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea, your ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it is= a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4 wave for 600m? Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic control (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally, the braid length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i could build a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv there= i use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more sign= al but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of the overall loss resistance and so on. Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/or DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559 in >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5UFO, M0BMU...... 73s Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave inv= L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX. RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W. QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH are underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never bee= n a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW simp= ly would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and= see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others althoug= h the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier be= en keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocia= l (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is= a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has mo= re to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. Th= e coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing messag= e contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but cou= ld you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJ= T users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to ge= t it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but= at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths= / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF an= d uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seem= s less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routi= ne so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. = We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal stil= l had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotlan= d http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals= - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. 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X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_18777559==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b56f95f1c76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_18777559==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, all, a bit off topic: with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio=20 output to the input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr. Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a=20 hardware connection between audio out and audio in the only way ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote: >... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio=20 >stream produced several spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! > >73, >Markus, DF6NM > >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 >Thema: LF: Twente receiver > >Many thanks to All who realized the Twente=20 >receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns=20 >on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great= job. >73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG > --=====================_18777559==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, all,

a bit off topic:
with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output to the input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr.
Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection between audio out and audio in the only way ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote:
... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus, DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
--=====================_18777559==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b4eea1215c; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1865C3800008F; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVMPE-0007C9-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVMPE-0007C0-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from mx27.mail.ru ([94.100.176.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVMPB-0000my-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from [94.75.147.198] (port=50873 helo=[192.168.1.8]) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NVMP5-000JH9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:11 +0300 Message-ID: <4B4EE9AD.8070100@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:53:49 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; ru; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <25544DDCB20440688C95809D45DC94F5@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <25544DDCB20440688C95809D45DC94F5@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RA3YO 14-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b4eea100d53 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny Thanks for capture Dmitry henny van elst =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > Hi LF, > Capture RA3YO > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden=20 > verzonden: > RA3YO 14-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen=20 > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet= =20 > toe. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b60f3502646 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Roelof, THank-you for the signal reports. 73 Joe VO1NA > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > Best regards, > Roelof > ===================================================================== > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > Locator: JO11tm > > Receiver: > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > ====================================================================== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b5b00481e1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:57:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24E79380000E8; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b5b00473ae3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have my QRPp= Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now= for a few hours.

 

Frequency 503.2= 2KHz

 

Modulation QRSS= 3 FSK

 

Power 500mW at= 50 Ohms

 

Total current= consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top= Load Vertical

 

ERP >=3D 1mW= att

 

All reports ver= y welcome

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b4f55704; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:33:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8A69438000104; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTTI-0001FP-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTTH-0001FG-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVTTC-0005Q7-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:26:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8FADriTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACIKNB1hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="436306612" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 17:26:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01ca953e$bbaf0180$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b4f556a6381 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jay I can do better than that. I can manage 100 ft high and 120 ft at a push. How far are u from him 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5fd4b5c522f112; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4b5c522f112; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2yN-0006I4-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2yM-0006Hv-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2yK-00087o-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0ODvA4O015836 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c90.59cf2a81 (34969) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229236163.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.236.163]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994b5c51ae25c; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:57:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Walter, Pieter-Tjerk, well Walter was probably referring to the receiver FPGA, running throu= gh those billions of calculations per second ;-) Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio from the Twente receiver - hope yo= u don't mind! I did set the carrier to a low frequency (300 Hz) so tha= t WSPR can cope with the samplerate interpolation. 73, and thanks again for this fascinating resource! Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Stauba= ch wrote: > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of re= ports between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to= be a hard-working guy ). Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR= decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by= someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-9144b4b9a2e244; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:38:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD074-9144b4b9a2e244; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:37:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NURwf-0005pO-2j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NURwe-0005pE-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:04 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURwd-0001GZ-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:04 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69827271854 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D364B0045 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197A495BDB for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1263245816.4b4b99f85b5b1@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0O calling CQ on 501.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20100111 2132 UTC Hearing PA0O calling CQ on 501.5kHz RST439 RX: IC-703 ANT: Amplified 4 x 4 x 4 metre loop SW-NE BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-5ef94b48f634bc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:33:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 851EF3800016A; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTivP-0000g9-0V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTivO-0000fz-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTivM-0001Di-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o09LWP8a017897; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:32:25 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cbf.530fe84f (34982); Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229072103.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.72.103]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b48f5e5f6; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <18E5344EFE6C4DA9870B8B28EEAE10B2@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Cc: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF on Twente Web-SDR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b48f6315c2b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, recently I found that the excellent 7-band web receiver at Twente Univ= ersity http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ also features a low frequenc= y section (64 to 164 kHz). In contrast to the situation a few months= ago, the LF band now appears to be completely cleared of local interf= erence, and the receiver is quite sensitive. By connecting the PC's audio output to the line input by a "real" phys= ical audio cable, I was able to perfectly read 137 kHz QRSS3 signals= on a slow spectrogram. The audio resampling process from nominal 8438= Hz samplerate does introduce up to +- 0.2% of samplerate variation,= but the resulting frequency instability can be mitigated by tuning to= a low beat frequency (eg. about 300 Hz). The digital IF bandpass skir= ts can be pulled in as required. Using WSPR v2 with an appropriate Rx-= BFO setting, it was possible to successfully decode WSPR signals that= way as well. The web-SDR waterfall also shows a strong Loran-C spectrum around 100= kHz (mostly from Sylt, 300 km from Enschede). This tempted me to feed= its output to my "LoranView" averaging program. With samplerate track= ing to the Sylt pulses and five minute averaging, I could detect trace= s from 48 different Loran stations last night, including far away ones= like Port Clarence (Alaska), Raymondville (Texas) and Gesashi (Japan,= 9582 km). Many thanks to Pieter-Tjerk PA3FWM, for providing us with this outstan= ding peace of work! 73, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,
 
recently I found that the excell= ent 7-band web=20 receiver at Twente University = http://websdr.ewi.utw= ente.nl:8901/ also featu= res a low frequency section (64=20 to 164 kHz). In contrast to the situation a few months ago, the LF&nbs= p;band now=20 appears to be completely cleared of local interference, and = the=20 receiver is quite sensitive.
 
By connecting the PC's audio&nbs= p;output to=20 the line input by a "real" physical audio cable, I was able to pe= rfectly=20 read 137 kHz QRSS3 signals on a slow spectrogram. The audio= resampling=20 process from nominal 8438 Hz samplerate does=20 introduce up to +- 0.2% of samplerate variation, but the resulting fre= quency=20 instability can be mitigated by tuning to a low beat frequency (e= g. about=20 300 Hz). The digital IF bandpass skirts can be pulled in as required.= Using WSPR=20 v2 with an appropriate Rx-BFO setting, it was possible to success= fully=20 decode WSPR signals that way as well.
 
The web-SDR waterfall also shows = ;a strong=20 Loran-C spectrum around 100 kHz (mostly from Sylt, 300 km from En= schede).=20 This tempted me to feed its output to my "LoranView" av= eraging=20 program. With samplerate tracking to the Sylt puls= es and=20 five minute averaging, I could detect traces from 48 different Lo= ran=20 stations last night, including far away ones like Port Clarence (Alask= a),=20 Raymondville (Texas) and Gesashi (Japan, 9582 km).
 
Many thanks to Pieter-Tjerk PA3FWM,= for providing=20 us with this outstanding peace of work!
 
73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Henny, "PW" at the top - UA3PW 73 Andrey > Hi LF, > Capture ra3yo > henny pa3cpm > best 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b40ecfd377; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:16:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAA373800360E; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVhu-0004Nd-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVhu-0004NU-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVhs-0001Yt-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA7.2DBDA7F1" Subject: LF: AW: QSO DF6NM - DK7FC/p X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b40e9d1126e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA7.2DBDA7F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus and Marco,=20 =20 TNX both of you for the CW QSO. Also Hans/DK8ND.=20 =20 4xCW in one /p session, thats a record for me ;-) =20 @Hans: Sorry, i saw your Call in QRSS in the afternoon but the wind was to= unstable and never came back later so i couldn't answer...=20 =20 At 16UTC i started packing all in the car. I had 10cm new snow and my radi= als were unvisible ;-) But the Current was lower (and earth resistance higher, abt 80 Ohm instead= of 30 Ohm!!) then normal, perhaps caused by the distance to ground due to= the snow. It was a genial activity for me. So much impressions. After the= CW qso with Hans i changed to a bigger kite, 8,1m^2 instead of 3,6m^2. Th= at brought me 2 hrs of more operation until the wind was totally gone. =20 TNX DF6NM, M0BMU, DD7PC for the first CW contact. =20 CUagn next weekend!! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Scholz, Marco=20 Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 12:10 An: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Betreff: LF: QSO DF6NM - DK7FC/p Hallo Markus, Hallo Stefan, Followed your CW QSO on 137.120KHz. DF6NM rst 519 DK7FC rst 579 WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR. 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X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.247.34 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B4BA1B2.1050803@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:09:54 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID388oakwJ67872X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b4ba1fa0c36 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Johan H. Bodin wrote: > > Mal, a "preferred mode" is actually any mode that works in the current > circumstances. Please choose your words more carefully, Alberto is one > of the few gentlemen on this planet that has given us well engineered, > free and simple-to-use tools (Argo, Jason etc.) that enable us to enjoy > LF communication over much greater distances than would be possible with > plain old CW. Hand pumped CW is fun, indeed, but my definition of > communication is somewhat wider that just conveying the digits "599". > Alberto understands information theory which, apparently, you do not. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM Johan, thanks for relaying part of a message directed to me. The gentleman who originated it is on my blacklist, so his messages are automatically discarded before I have the chance to read them. And thanks also for your kind words. I hope in a not too distant future to be able to release another program to the Radio Amateurs (those with an A license :-) community another (I hope useful) piece of software. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b644b535589368; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:23:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD026-b644b535589368; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZlU-0007yS-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZlU-0007yJ-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWZlS-0000Zm-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoGAOXjUktcHFUR/2dsb2JhbACIKswngjeBewQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,292,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="294377342" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.85.17]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 18:21:56 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca97a1$f0548440$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:21:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thats a lot for a harmonic and I am surprised the ShetlandS man has not been in touch to sort it out. He says he sorted out the Faroes qrm last year. Has he lost the touch? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noise on spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b4f4dae5e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0564438000389; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT2h-0000og-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT2h-0000oX-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT2e-0002OR-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:30 +0000 Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUqZ1d0051c6gX854UzMtq; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:21 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUzP1d0072DDHkk3jUzPj6; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <003701ca953a$e96e9260$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:59:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b4f4dac1f64 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to work. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ____________ Jay, I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is N/S. I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. 73 Jim WD2XSH/35 K0HW ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a= couple=20 weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think= it should read one leg=20 N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to=20 work.
 
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Jay,
 
I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn= attenuator=20 which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz.  &nb= sp; The=20 transverter is feeding a solid state amp.  I am running about 10= - 15 watts=20 ERP.  The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet= above the=20 ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is= =20 N/S.
 
I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and= a HyGain=20 Hytower.
 
73
 
Jim 
 
WD2XSH/35  K0HW
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 10:45=20 AM
Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500

Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole on=20 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5ad4b4a053e34; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:50:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG028-5ad4b4a053e34; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:50:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU0yB-0003QV-NV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU0yB-0003QM-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU0y9-0007tF-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 46474 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2010 16:48:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q9mdm1i44Ga/gkrnIkDj7deH7PFRPbTNvICqnxxHdyQrvmQ0UxlNODW9E0Jx7uLa9JMptA0PBzxPJKVBlcP4yfz1K9SV/T/oPLVOFMe1P6DmcdHxV+qySk3ELwoPS2CwtrsHVkoWaQLZKPm77OknvPQOvlYXTL1vXwWpyF++LPY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 16:48:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: UGZf3wQVM1nW3xnbXdtI1wUsRLk8.4bO3b0xE3T9ZNhwZK9Mn6lIakoBliXNEu_.qTOufj7YVsQ2Be1bNiKuDP2JVtctSDlDREysngTIBwaO.DYlTQ8PYzh8QKcsHQMS3YAZyTYNbQ_VjEEnk636fJX8WOkCkdsQxJC.QoVq7.8Gi8m90NWoG8QcymWZNgoSHlr2E1QgtDQDYvK_8bi6S_R20Z.JxynLCEvm.xsqndZPoA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0412CBBBC35D40ADB1C3BFE2E13317F9@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <0428D232A1EB4AD581A389F01D2C5991@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Lee, LF Group, I received some info from LA3EQ about his beacon: >... Hi Jim.... GLad people are hearing my beacon LA3EQ/P (it is the barn just beside my house) The LA3EQ wspr is rx only and listning with only a 14MHz dipole!......my beacon power is 60 Watts DC input into ther tuner. (almost 1 Amp RF current indicated on my RF amp meter from USSR)..not +10dBm as wrongly indicated on wspr ----thanks for letting me know....I don't know my ERP. Is the power level reported on WSPR ERP or is it RF power out? My transmitter is a TS2000 on 6 meters using homemade transverter type "G3XBM" (but with a 50 Mhz LO) and homemade PA with a single Mosfet XFH75N10 stage, home made tuner and a 3,5 MHz windom antenna up 20 feet. I am building a Marconi T with three 20 meter long "T"'s and the feedline appx 10 meters long taped at center. It should be going up in the air sometime today.... 73's Jan LA3EQ >.... I estimate, very roughly, that LA3EQ/P has an ERP of 0.2W Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-9274b576e3f20b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:57:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274b576e3f20b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:57:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhbT-0008Je-VY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhbT-0008JV-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhbR-0000pl-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so610421bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:56:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j/fP7zYp1JLkD4iv1KCrtd7dqbJ8MreIOQaXvuq87Ec=; b=Hi5Wju/CaqXsfYCwnHd1HamAyOqP1k9Bnn7Yti739irZecfsXB41A4GcahEkj918YX qHkhyqgZ1u1STeKX/ZNz3Fh6bQT967EhXoAbirUOwad2g1BGowq0An6vcYaZw8ryoCX+ o5d/gu45vF5JUg27JE/P2wBjff2eNGx/wTpVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Uo9PfT1I2Cv8tDv8zQ7Xut7b7FsEahex3I41NDmdXFHcCvQMeRo9MfSqzvzqw0yIZd IkiaSWAy0k9MYjZ15zhOQTZvYmZlzZKhXtLLQ7BpGibMqfTe9/ef9sZYKcqobzY6xygn tw1RhtC6N3FNxkfv48nNkA5PN1zlx/zJDYhnc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.220 with SMTP id i28mr258064bki.143.1264020990903; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> References: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Jim - that's a good distance. Lubos is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might *just* manage= to hear me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! Andy an= d I are about the same distance from Lubos. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 James Cowburn > 1200km!!!! new record for me!! > > > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Lubos OK2BVG > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 19:24 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: WSPR_OK > > > > Hello LF! > > 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 > 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Jim - that's a good distance.

Lubos is copying G4JNT= at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB weaker than Andy,= so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to hear me at some po= int one night soon even if the report is -30dB!=A0 Andy and I are about th= e same distance from Lubos.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/20 Jam= es Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>



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--00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b4b1533f1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:10:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 083F938000043; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJ5G-0001Dc-Hj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJ5G-0001DT-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJ5E-0005b7-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from opc1 (unknown [192.168.1.203]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC6D3B452 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:18 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> In-Reply-To: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b4b152f324b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential > short messages, Agreed > which applies to most radio amateur communications But not ALL... The 500kHz UK Special Research Permits were issued to carry out investigations of a technical nature, as described by the applicant in his/her submission to OFCOM. Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5c9e602fc; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:24:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B945C380000FA; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ83L-0008Qz-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ83L-0008Qq-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ83J-0001d6-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OJNGvI009869 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:23:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:23:15 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: UA9CS Thread-Index: AcqdHhvpEvDTCK3sR/6lDahO4iuR6QAC/HSJ References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.191225 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42" Subject: LF: UA9CS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b5c9e5e1252 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO wit= h him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and already= asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an interesting LF= web site and seems to be well qrv. Distance for me is abt 3400km, what wo= uld be interesting in DFCW3 ;-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhATAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEACgAAAExGOiBVQTlDUwBRAgEFgAMA DgAAANoHAQAYABQAEgAvAAAATwEBIIADAA4AAADaBwEAGAAUABcADwAAADQBAQmAAQAhAAAAMjEy MEY1QkZGNTZDQTM0RDhGQTA4MEM2RTY2RTgwREUAXwcBA5AGAOAKAAA4AAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA QlC6DSqdygEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABMRjogAAAAAAIBRwABAAAAMgAAAGM9REU7YT0gO3A9SFNUO2w9 RklMRS1TRVJWRVItSC0xMDAxMjQxOTIzMTVaLTE4MjkAAAAeAEkAAQAAABUAAABSZTogTEY6IFlP IDI0LTAxLmpwZwAAAABAAE4AALUSrB2dygEeAFoAAQAAACMAAABvd25lci1yc2diX2xmX2dyb3Vw QGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAAACAVsAAQAAAGMAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABvd25l ci1yc2diX2xmX2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAFNNVFAAb3duZXItcnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBi bGFja3NoZWVwLm9yZwAAAgFcAAEAAAAoAAAAU01UUDpPV05FUi1SU0dCX0xGX0dST1VQQEJMQUNL U0hFRVAuT1JHAB4AXQABAAAABwAAAERtaXRyeQAAAgFeAAEAAAAyAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A 3QEPVAIAAAAARG1pdHJ5AFNNVFAAcmEzeW9AbWFpbC5ydQAAAAIBXwABAAAAEwAAAFNNVFA6UkEz WU9ATUFJTC5SVQAAHgBmAAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAGcAAQAAACMAAABvd25lci1yc2diX2xm X2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAAAeAGgAAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AaQABAAAADgAAAHJh M3lvQG1haWwucnUAAAAeAHAAAQAAAAYAAABVQTlDUwAAAAIBcQABAAAAGwAAAAHKnR4b6RLw0wit 7Ef+pQ2oTuIrkekAAvx0iQAeAHQAAQAAAB0AAAByc2diX2xmX2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3Jn AAAAAB4AGgwBAAAADwAAAFN0ZWZhbiBTY2jkZmVyAAAeAB0OAQAAAAYAAABVQTlDUwAAAAIBCRAB AAAA8wMAAO8DAAD2CgAATFpGdaaRkLkDAAoAcmNwZzEyNYIyA0NodG1sMQMwPwEDAfcKgAKkA+MC AGNowQrAc2V0MCAHEwKA/xADAFAEVghVB7IR1Q5RAwHdENcyBgAGwxHVMwRGENlvEusR4wjvCfc7 GM8OMDU7EdIMYGMAUAsJAWQzNpMRYAulNCAQAipcDrIDAZAOEDkgPEhUTUBMIGRpcj0eMHI8Pn0d 8wAhAzAfQWRv5wDgH0EKsVxxGLAfQRDwbwMwH6URYB2rMx2AHqBFTEFEH3AdrDc3HpBUcElUTEUj nR1wDvBSIGU6IExGJnBZT4IgHXAtMDEuag4A6SOtODUekC8k3x5CCuMuICk/Kk8OEDYO8DxNQEVU QSBuYQeAPQBHRU5FUkFUTxxSIAWgAjAJ8HQ9IoMF4B6zOC4wMC4c4OcnMShwKIA0IiOdJiEosC8j XyXxK38eQTURYDxCOE9EWSOdHPEy72c5IjYekERJVh72IGnEZD03wE9XQSZQC1BgeVRleHQmIDAQ M/8feQAAIKUhQyEBIZ81DzYfnzcnOS86PztDHck2ND66EzsPHiQ0OB6QRk9O1FQgAJB6LYAyPqsL 4lk66URlCsEmkCwdnTX9NtEvRFIfeR+HQPsBwB+HrwqiSXgKgB2sMCMhLzcB/0jPQu88Xz1vPn8/ j0mvQa//Ts9Dz0TfRexHX0hvTp8eBYI4HYAmbmJzcAKA+R+YJ2EBQFQ/Sq9Lv0zP/03fXO9P/1EP Uh9TL1+fVU9vZL9Xb1h/Rd5vB5EAcHmBBuBkeSBrbm8H4NZzA3ARQGgLgGdwsAbgAnUFQFVBOUNT P7ggSGFwqAdAGNBhcRHFEQBkcLAgUVMm4APwF3HQdDAHcCACICAxM3o3cuBJbkAJ4HUhBCBj+wdA AyBvAYAJ8DewA6Bx0Kd2MHWhcTBIemfQeBLQ/QpAcy5wBcAAcHRhc9VzEHprCYAgAhB4wW5AecIo GnATMWUAwAMQKSBi7XJhZxFALUBvcLED4ASQfi5y8HYxcxN3MXihB5B053HyJpB00GVibkEucHjT 1XYRbQQgdHwAYnYwfFDRdrFxcnZ8gEQEAAGQfG5jdjB6AgeAN7BwoWKnBUAjEC9ga21HMHcRAPUF QHcIYGx0YH+RfUp3QQBERkNXMyA7Lf4pWn9bj0l/YI9hn2KvY7//bG9l32bvZ/9pD2ofay9sP/9t T25fb2+Ev4XPi/9dr16//5HPiD+JT4pfmW+Mf42Pjp//j6+Qv50vkt+iT5T/lg9GCppTLnBmAHCh AEs3hDD/l9+Y74bfne+e/6APoR+pz9e0X7VvHZw1qzEvNE8l8S8koTFwHsEfcH28UAAeADUQAQAA AFcAAAA8MzhBNTFCNzRCODg0RDc0MDgzRDc5NTBBRDBERDg1RTgyQTFBQUFARmlsZS1TZXJ2ZXIt SFNULmhzdC5lLXRlY2huaWsudHUtZGFybXN0YWR0LmRlPgAAHgA5EAEAAABNAAAAPDVBNDMwRkQ3 QzE3NjQ5MzBBOTMxRDY4QTlDNjc0Q0I4QG5zOTRkMDFhZTRkODUwPiA8NEI1Qzg4NTIuODA1MDYw NEBtYWlsLnJ1PgAAAAAeAEcQAQAAAA8AAABtZXNzYWdlL3JmYzgyMgAACwDyEAEAAAAfAPMQAQAA ACAAAABMAEYAJQAzAEEAIABVAEEAOQBDAFMALgBFAE0ATAAAAAsA9hAAAAAAQAAHMEJQug0qncoB QAAIMATKg60qncoBAwDeP69vAAADAPE/BwQAAB4A+D8BAAAADwAAAFN0ZWZhbiBTY2jkZmVyAAAC Afk/AQAAAFwAAAAAAAAA3KdAyMBCEBq0uQgAKy/hggEAAAAAAAAAL089SFNUL09VPUVSU1RFIEFE TUlOSVNUUkFUSVZFIEdSVVBQRS9DTj1SRUNJUElFTlRTL0NOPVNDSEFFRkVSAB4A+j8BAAAAFQAA AFN5c3RlbSBBZG1pbmlzdHJhdG9yAAAAAAIB+z8BAAAAHgAAAAAAAADcp0DIwEIQGrS5CAArL+GC AQAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAwD9P+QEAAADABlAAAAAAAMAGkAAAAAAAwAdQAAAAAADAB5AAAAAAB4AMEAB AAAACQAAAFNDSEFFRkVSAAAAAB4AMUABAAAACQAAAFNDSEFFRkVSAAAAAB4AMkABAAAAIwAAAG93 bmVyLXJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAAB4AM0ABAAAADgAAAHJhM3lvQG1haWwu cnUAAAAeADhAAQAAAAkAAABTQ0hBRUZFUgAAAAAeADlAAQAAAAIAAAAuAAAAAwB2QP////8LACkA AAAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAGEKw4RA0DAAcQFQEAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABE RUFSTEYsRE9FU0FOWUJPRFlLTk9XU09NRVRISU5HQUJPVVRVQTlDUz9IQVNBTllCT0RZQUxSRUFE WUhBREFRU09XSVRISElNT04xMzc/SVNFRUhJU0NBTExPRlRFTklOVEhFAAAAAAIBfwABAAAAVwAA ADwzOEE1MUI3NEI4ODRENzQwODNENzk1MEFEMEREODVFODJBMUFBQUBGaWxlLVNlcnZlci1IU1Qu aHN0LmUtdGVjaG5pay50dS1kYXJtc3RhZHQuZGU+AAAM7g== ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b5c87bd39d; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b5c87bb2fc8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report! Roman - RW3ADB 73! Andrey, Andre, Andy :) > Hello Warren , Roman , > > Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI073-ead04b4ddb6d78; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9CDB0380000BC; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4NC-0003f9-C4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4NB-0003f0-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:01 +0000 Received: from mail0.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.105] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV4N9-0007xE-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:01 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw03.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.190]) by imbaspam-ss03.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id o0DEcp59009872 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:53 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw03.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o0DEXsrd003687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:50 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.2; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:20 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:20 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'lf group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)'" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:19 +0000 Thread-Topic: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Thread-Index: AcqUXgv3B5uYj3YTQQ26W/JrzdXrzg== Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086exlnmb01eurns_" Subject: LF: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4ddb6b7b41 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF group, I had yesterday 2 decodes of WD2XSH/17 on 500KHz: 2010-01-13 02:40 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -28 0 FN42pb 10 DD7PC = JN49ax 5858 52 Not bad for my rx setup. In the WSPR documentation i can read WSPR software does all filtering and= it does matter to use small filters or switch off AGC, but i think using= mode CW with all small filters on my transceiver improved my reception la= st night very much. In the new version of WSPR 2.0 it's possible to set th= e BFO setting from 1500Hz to 700Hz which allow me now to use WSPR in combi= nation with CW on my FT-857. To prove this i like to test the setup on 137KHz where the QRM situation= is much worse. Please can someone transmit this evening WSPR on 137KHz? Ideally after 10/= 11pm UTC. 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h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=L09IqAu5r+PA+mhifXRy0k3jml/cBu5mT+B6zPk9xnAoTvPkdLoTHwNaGjSVMq01CF t36UdnjEQi9M4bHY4CuKIY2n/gST3Nc302l4wsUkmNnwd8syiAfnkD1+s0s9yxKkrvnZ YGSNcb2+LFewhx7hDoWlny5zJS12mZzizeyKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.133 with SMTP id g5mr211465hbh.182.1264102064036; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:27:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:27:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864b58aaf35ee5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficiency. Or ERP = I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 mal hamilton > Rik's figures are always exaggarated could be plus/minus 100 dB either > way. Recent dipole gain figures from Rik indicated that I am running 400 mw > erp. > whereas some months ago his estimate on received signals from me was 20 > plus watts and here there has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA. > Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL > GUESSWORK, think of a figure juggle it about and publish. > In the amateur context depending on site, theory and practical are often a > long way apart. > When I have queried these figures there is NO RESPONSE > G3KEV > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; James Moritz > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:04 PM > *Subject:* LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? > > Dear Jim, > > Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder > if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent > ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've > some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie > and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. > > Would much appreciate this. Thanks > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > --001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So go on:=A0 argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from bas= ic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way= of getting antenna efficiency.=A0=A0
=A0
Or=A0 ERP =3D=A0 =A0I^2 . Rrad=A0=A0 where I is measurable.
=A0
Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height= of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever= lead to 6dB error.=A0 The difference between no top hat and an infinite= top hat

Andy
www.g4jnt.com



2010/1/21 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Rik's figures are always exaggara= ted could be plus/minus 100 dB either way. Recent dipole gain figures=A0fr= om=A0Rik=A0indicated that I am running 400 mw erp.
=A0=A0=A0 whereas some months ago his= estimate on received signals from me=A0was 20 plus watts and here there= =A0has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA.
=A0Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESS= WORK, think of a figure=A0juggle it about and=A0publish.
In the amateur context depending on= site, =A0theory and practical=A0are often a long way apart.
When=A0I have queried these figures= there is NO RESPONSE
G3KEV
=A0=A0=A0
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:= 04 PM
Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of= some new ERP estimates please?

Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF reflect= or in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expe= rtise to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM pl= ease. Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT= is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic= or whether the truth is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b40e9a8230; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:02:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8ADE73801122C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVPO-00041n-7V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVPN-00041e-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVPM-0001Pk-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 55409 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 18:42:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262544147; bh=JN0t9eWZ6+DC+92DtFN5qjtQIdA+Cl2UmUXMhXF40Ho=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rF+7zrVMynNHCgak8t5IMpDJOsTcT4pFO2XjVOkSjJpoHXtMmaAa57bvnRDuYVRKQDkhr9XBP0dn3eTT3y8hK1wwcj3LSS2sNKVpS1Kg7CRcSmEgeyBER89PNrqPPLlxsOSjbF4iI4RvLksIqZKkni51XF9kQJtD47le7/cl8H0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YfbTYGuLBJRxRsjyl2UgNAc32jGPLRnoRtAlCORQrDd8Bk4AuqGPJyadjNzpH+jmiDvb0M7/lYLyCQlQBRnVbpcAkJCuVfLyE5FbqFiUIESnY5YtnM4YcBZeCpDTGhNu5UC3pOxpijJMqhkEGmytEQfK1Mss1XdhbDCNEnT0olw=; Message-ID: <702494.54342.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y4IPIQEVM1lXF_fbl2II9rPC8.TQ5XoB8WFi4FtEtEPi4Z5m8lx7vV_SITyLjCG_VQHLFJVYgm49oX67BZAWljWXzrntCDpaTWlmXUDyuy36OI4ZL3XsoHiyhPBdOfk2G7doqlrA3aCW7_My0jxff7qq_q2NvKgKxNXEsdZ8A19GNe9ZW.OGtRLM8ffFQAYwHB0EDsLwZ0_VDi1N6ILV4jtdfyglyed7keYdrjqdvuXy3muaarfYa718ZuWzCCT2XTcJOuVSvT_z_5dqmVeeVt0- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:42:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-78812086-1262544147=:54342" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40e54f5917 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Mal =A0 I=A0heard=A0PA0A the other night while you and UEP were CQing. I should ha= ve called him but because of the warning I sat it out. He probably would= not=A0have heard me any way.=A0Too bad, I will try=A0a QSO the=A0next I= hear him.=A0 73 es=A0HNY =A0petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 18:19 Michael Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A first QSO at midnight 2010, first= ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk contact. mal/g3kev =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Ypma, S.H. ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To All LF, =A0 Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently=A0received pe= rmissions=A0(via VRZA)=A0to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0= A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible misundersta= ndings=A0caused by=A0my previous email to the reflector.=A0The Dutch Telec= om Authorities nor VRZA=A0have publicised anything on their=A0Internet=A0s= ites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been informed= about anything yet. =A0 Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his=A0acheivements! =A0 Best Regards / Best 73's =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done Mal
 
I heard PA0A the other night while you and UEP were CQing.= I should have called him but because of the warning I sat it out. He prob= ably would not have heard me any way. Too bad, I will try a= QSO the next I hear him. 

73 es HNY  petefmt
--- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>= wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 18:19

Michael
Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A= first QSO at midnight 2010, first ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA= 0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk contact.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Sanders
Cc: Ypma, S.H.= ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in= PA have apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to tran= smit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this and= I appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my pr= evious email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA=  have publicised anything on their Internet sites until now= and the VERON members (like myself) have not been informed about anything= yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in order for= his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>= ; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT=
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T




=20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a8c4b535545323; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:22:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b535545323; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:22:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZjr-0007xL-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZjr-0007xC-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWZjp-0008Fm-FD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783A6820C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jay,all, i tuned my rx to 510 khz and will see what happens this night.Spots wi= ll be uploaded to the database, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.ne= t Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 13:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Rik WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0= dial USB overnight tonight -=20 wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR >I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering= on 511550 last night, but=20 >with little European audience. > An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd li= ke to give it a chance. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9c74b4e43ea24; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74b4e43ea24; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBLN-0005Nq-DX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBLM-0005Nh-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVBLK-0003oC-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7327D3B452 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi, > > Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this > signal. > My guess is LA3EQ - has been very unstable, but does decode occasionally here. John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b5caccf337; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:25:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5756238000068; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ90u-0000rv-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ90u-0000rm-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ90q-0002Bz-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so1872900pwj.4 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=sXMQuI8jhfFqca1XIyGP+Af+8faaFNQFDjenDf86Mw4=; b=KK0BQgVcwXp6qCRHhZig0GJUII0P2J/NOq6+fOFfGTfRsP23lgv1Gp15jeSkeRLD/C qFDpZl1rz0aaelLoU6nf42I50UryC3dhyYKXVMhsbGIAv5qtRfEaNWXLyEZVmOKmRFdt fGvMbqfcTzK6T44L6q0pAcIAQP4rnhzARdSe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ozlPikxsh++L9M+/WDDY5ZMW63wGwz0Fk3Th90r+YDPJ0jQeu2fWDQRICNqYHRs7LS YSUcaxwV36pIFWTzgKTetc0O2sJ6xdPsz66Tyu6a60vujWL8rYFiZwnrLQp4h5xR2NNV H84GqaRppaGJ2qFjUU3K8wIx9FwRxvKzVeIhI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.35 with SMTP id g35mr3539888rvb.7.1264364680586; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001241154l1e26018dw9c703baa01bc388d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001241154l1e26018dw9c703baa01bc388d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:40 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 543657378695a65b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001241224p7cb53b80o7f22ac7f44e41b47@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Graham Brown - G0NBD DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd242a0a72537047deed75d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b5caccd198f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd242a0a72537047deed75d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b --000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, LF, Got a complete picture now, resolution not too good. Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/24 Gary - G4WGT > Graham, > > Here is the picture so far. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Graham, LF! >> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >> >> Set dial 501.500 : USB >> Audio set 1500 Hz >> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >> >> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! >> >> Reports ? >> >> Tnx - Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. >> > > --000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, LF,

Got a complete picture now, resolution not= too good.

Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/24 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Graham,

Here is the pi= cture so far.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.ukDate: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV= 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=A0 fro= m=20 Multipsk on 503.000
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Set=A0 dial=A0 501.500 : USB <= /div>
Audio set 1500 Hz
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Very slow data=A0 rate .....=A0 might= =A0=20 take a=A0 while to=A0 show=A0 1 line !
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Reports ?
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Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
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To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jay I had a brief look and saw u at 2230 -20db. I did not monitor beyond this time. There seems to be a peak at my QTH around 2130 - 2300 utc for TA signals. It could very well peak at other times during the nite but I do not monitor all night. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Rik > > Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > > Jay, > > > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > > Reports via wsprnet.org > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > > > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > >> USB. Some stations will begin > >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > >> Stations may be adjusting their > >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > >> power column. Any and all reports, > >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > >> > >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > >> continue on in WSPR mode > >> instead. > >> > >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b52ed2e383; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:57:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2104A3800009C; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSoQ-0003oC-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSoQ-0003o3-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWSoO-000641-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWE0018C12LHE@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:56:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:56:36 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_11b6UGmaxXClNPXun04kuA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b52ed2d4127 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_11b6UGmaxXClNPXun04kuA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GWYzomGXXP1xctg2ZurE6Q)" --Boundary_(ID_GWYzomGXXP1xctg2ZurE6Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Nice capture VX9MRC, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Joe,LF
Nice capture VX9MRC,
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA9610.BFC592C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b4a6091fe; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:19:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B33D38000088; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU73Z-0006oK-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU73Y-0006oB-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:48 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU73V-0005UD-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:48 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so378530fga.10 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ARjnHHKo70p9NsJGD4BxO2p+BhrVOhDRQDuhXUcSER4=; b=SDk8NBE/6/c7AqrUmiaykJGQD0A43DtAYAMTxXe1uj8a0ezYnTECphlL5hNs6ipTrk Fw7Sq5m/iwNFHdPPvIjoUiaZx0hRbxVe6FQ7zaPSjnWDWV2//Hu38GZ0a7rCyynSb0IX 1f5F9elhMc6ekvrF1YSLBFDRdK3XgFdVSDVhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BjlblmqyCOWCyTVbZbD1DLWyk8Y0rEhmtpBnSQ2h4Dzp84oCzxPaF4gYcwC4LDJ40Y a/zrdG1Thnsr/Ixgaedk+k2UA5rWA6UIpICMYccWtV+/zypxL/6/cJD9mAxT6qB035zX 00p0D3Ht0WByJ7bLBYudgQNmwtuZOHsuuxX0M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.146 with SMTP id p18mr823329hbh.208.1263165523294; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b4a6090185b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A serious appeal to all the CW and QRS(S) ops on this reflector. I'm interested in what can *really* be achieved in terms of readability of weak CW . For the calculations mentioned earlier I made the assumption the best listeners can *read* 20 - 30WPM in 10dB S/N in a 30Hz bandwidth, without repeats, which equates to -9dB S/N in the standardised 2500Hz. It is possible to detect a tone significantly lower than this, (I can positively detect a 600Hz tone at -25dB S/N in 2500Hz, but wouldn't know immediately if it was switched on/off) but first-time readability is essential. If anyone can measure S/N accurately and have measured your CW receiving capability, it would be interesting to get confirmation or otherwise that this assumption is not too-far-out. Same applies to QRS(S) although this I suspect is less amenable to any additional processing gain from learning and experience. S/N can be determined from any spectrogram software offering a spectrum rather than waterfall display. Note the height of the tone spike above the average noise level; this is the S/N in the bandwidth of the FFT Bin Determine this value if it is not stated as a 'resolution' or any similar name. If not given specifically, resolution BW can be calculated from Sampling rate divided by FFT size. Eg 11025Hz sampling with 4096 point FFT gives a resolution of 2.7Hz. The normalised 2500Hz value is then obtained from S/N [2.5k] = S/N [measured] - 10.LOG (Resolution BW / 2500). If you can't measure S/N, record the marginal you've 100% copied and I will measure it. Please be honest about this. If some CW experts clain they can out-perform any appliance operator, lets see the figures that prove it. Andy www.g4jnt.com --001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A serious appeal to all the CW and QRS(S) ops on this reflector.=A0= =A0
=A0
I'm interested in what can really be achieved in terms= of readability of weak CW .=A0 For the calculations mentioned earlier=A0I= made the assumption the best listeners can read 20 - 30W= PM in 10dB S/N in a 30Hz bandwidth, without repeats,=A0which equates to -9= dB S/N in the standardised 2500Hz. It is possible to detect a=A0tone signi= ficantly lower than this, (I can positively detect a 600Hz=A0tone at -25dB= S/N=A0in 2500Hz, but wouldn't know immediately if it was switched on/= off) =A0but first-time readability is essential.=A0=A0 If anyone can measu= re S/N accurately and have measured your CW receiving capability, it would= be interesting to get confirmation or otherwise that this assumption is= not too-far-out.=A0
Same applies to QRS(S) although this I suspect is less amenable to an= y additional processing gain from learning and experience.
=A0
S/N can be determined from any spectrogram software offering=A0 a=A0s= pectrum rather than waterfall display.=A0=A0=A0 Note the=A0height of the= tone spike above the average noise level;=A0 this is the S/N in the bandw= idth of the FFT Bin=A0=A0 Determine this=A0value if it is not stated as=A0= a 'resolution' or=A0any similar name.=A0
If not given specifically, resolution BW can be=A0calculated from Sam= pling rate=A0divided by=A0FFT size.=A0 Eg 11025Hz sampling with 4096 point= FFT gives a resolution of 2.7Hz.
The normalised 2500Hz value is then obtained from S/N [2.5k] =3D=A0= S/N [measured]=A0=A0 -=A0 10.LOG (Resolution BW / 2500).=A0=A0
If you can't measure S/N, record the marginal you've 100% cop= ied=A0and I will measure it.
=A0
Please be honest about this.=A0 If=A0some CW experts clain they can= out-perform any appliance operator, lets see the figures=A0that prove it.=
--001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b577eca10e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:08:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B722A38000174; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiho-0000Uc-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiho-0000UT-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXihl-0008OW-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so687660bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J4QAcS8bDMaypHet4iIwn2Uvz/OBl65wxzMEAcKAoiU=; b=UTdxRWC5oVyYTqOmMjqHfxcOtixrmfbCX+hNJ3EQ69AvAZYoU8NZVA2WXXdsj3VYRz hdvoQGnS0JtPKUVvOECfHmBfMNzODkW2u88p00IFKwwXFeFSsJH4NvVEhwqSniz8Cwpy sH0v2+XpAsU57g/bhlQt6TMYgRJ98J2m/A44Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Abslcyd2HWsmEzPy0Ir7OonfXTdg6iPrxzy32YgQy5EH1QpfhGYl0MTNHot7xIa0ZJ n2gysE4CMEt4p4mZpRlcGha21jBI+2OUzavbjqhtHnbdL2DDg2oFiJFw7H7CXL4auZFz cJWQXiO9QwZmd1P7UMAlMbK1G5vF8vybEPajo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr327432bka.72.1264025227007; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b577ec857b3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! Thank you *so very very much* for finding my tiny signal. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!!

Thank you so very very much for= finding my tiny signal.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0= =A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
=
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD= ? Dal=B9= =ED informace.



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b50bfc4047d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Maybe I should have also noted that what I was receiving extended from 503.450 to 504.550. 73, Lee. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 15 January 2010 18:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Lee, the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b608e9115a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB0D6380001E0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDC2-0003kn-W1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDC2-0003ke-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDC0-0005GO-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74032700008D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 67791700008E for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.49.78]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 20DE7700008D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100127190437134.20DE7700008D@mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <4CFBCAA9F17D40F285E67FB0EF3C7374@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GB4FPR to day qso / reports anyone ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b608e8f4e5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks =20 Mal G3KEV for the rst 559 report , first outing on the re-hashed= station=20 using the loop for tx and rx=20 Gary G4WGT for the comparative screen captures =20 Apologies to Roger GW3UEP , apparently did call but no qso, note= from John, your signal=20 much improve from last time=20 Intending to run the station this Saturday day / evening=20 Tnx - Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks 
 
Mal G3KEV for the  rst  559=   report=20 , first outing on the  re-hashed station
using the  loop  for = tx and =20 rx
 
Gary  G4WGT for the  compar= ative=20 screen  captures  
 
Apologies  to  Roger GW3UEP= ,=20 apparently  did  call  but no  qso, note from John= ,=20  your  signal
much improve  from last time
 
Intending to  run the  stat= ion this =20 Saturday day / evening 
 
Tnx - Graham .=20


------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-864a4b5cb1d0322; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:47:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41A313800020A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9Lk-0001Qx-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9Lk-0001Qo-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9Li-0002WN-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEF220000068 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DE4F2000005C for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5CB19C.9030501@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:20 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050509040908060700090100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b5cb1cf239b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050509040908060700090100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Dear MF, > just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > Dear Walter, i am uploading automatically ur wspr signals to wspr database., however i forgot to change the dial frequency in wspr software window so the first 4 decodes have errors in the freq. display.. Of course, now it is corrected.. :) Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------050509040908060700090100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:
Dear MF,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP.
73=C2=A0=C2=A0 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
=C2=A0
Dear Walter,
i am uploading automatically=C2=A0 ur wspr signals to wspr database., however i=C2=A0 forgot to change the dial frequency in wspr software windo= w
=C2=A0so the first 4 decodes have errors in the freq. display.. Of course, now it is corrected.. :)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------050509040908060700090100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b4a34ea384; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:13:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2771738000073; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU491-00058r-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU490-00058i-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU48x-0000pW-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100110200702.WAYH17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:02 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU43w-000421-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:02 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSLu0/yVhBN7kRQEaDA7KkYgRKnwAAJoSw X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=8Qw2kvqKHfsA:10 a=pjcCXyNfAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=zAJiCMBNcDy5foPin4oA:9 a=YCEbx47TukVGdz8QxvMA:7 a=wpwfRCS0WVSyL0cZGGbPMwSisYYA:4 a=8mcaF2JIRJ8A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=c7oDjeM3COfeBqVa:21 a=jaiUaaSr9cAuKbHw:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=6LvAJLjWfmKXamQk7eYA:9 a=wzY1scjfzweyDnmRj2QA:7 a=GU8Zg-rVAc0McpNIfUYcOO0_iswA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b4a34e85634 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All I have been inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but this may be able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and assuming x hops etc. http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php Putting in Roger's power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception report of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a "gain factor" for WSPR of 65dB. This seems rather implausibly high so I'm obviously missing a trick somewhere. RF Link Budget Calculator RF Link Budget Calculator: To calculate power at the receiver input, enter values in the empty boxes below. Transmitter Power W Transmitter Center Frequency Hz Transmit Antenna Gain dB Distance Between Antennas km Receive Antenna Gain dB Other Losses dB Results EIRP = -28.20 dBW Wavelength = 596.42 m Free Space Loss = 86.39 dB Received Power = -49.59 dBW = 1.10E-5 W = -19.59 dBm = 1.10E-2 mW With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe Jim, if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Cowburn : Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All

 

I have been inp= utting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly some assumptions need to= be made as well as guesstimates but this may be able to give an idea of the range= expected at a given power, and assuming x hops etc.

 

 

http://www.au= braux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php

 

Putting in Roge= r’s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception report of -20dB) then it= gives for a -20dB signal a “gain factor” for WSPR of 65dB.

 

This seems rath= er implausibly high so I’m obviously missing a trick somewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

RF= Link Budget Calculator

RF Link Budget Calculator: To calculate power at the re= ceiver input, enter values in the empty boxes below.

 

Transmitte= r Power

W

 

Transmitter Center Frequency

Hz

 

Transmit= Antenna Gain

dB

 

 

 

 

 

Distance= Between Antennas

km

 

 

 

 

 

Receive An= tenna Gain

dB

 

Other Loss= es

dB

 

 

= Results

 

EIRP

=3D

-28.20

dBW

Wavelength=

=3D

596.42

m

Free Space Loss

=3D

86.39

dB

 

 

 

 

Received Power

=3D

-49.59

dBW

 

=3D

1.10E-5

W

 

=3D

-19.59

dBm

 

=3D

1.10E-2

mW

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010= 19:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Do we know how= many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR)= depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:=

 Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of=  a link budget for WSPR over a set distance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my  = ;current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the  limit= for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly  estimating or= indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range  (EMR) at that powe= r setting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if &nb= sp;one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should  b= e possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at  = ;a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further  = ;would the remaining  8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming  = ;the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their  capabili= ty is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB  difference over= known paths/signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all=  for a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.= net<blocked::mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net>







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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-a1884b57890f282; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:51:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F20BF380000F3; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjO7-0001vN-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjO6-0001vE-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:58 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjO4-0001iy-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:58 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KMoewp024823 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c51.63d8a68a (43908) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229232080.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.232.80]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC075-ab844b5788bb3d2; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1B318EE0DCE5448BB69F386CF6956CEE@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b57890c710c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, looks like the recent solar flares have created a duct (for beer?) bet= ween UK and OK ;-) Excellent QRP work! 73, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:42 PM Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date:= 01/19/10 17:49:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDt= a=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
looks like the recent solar flares have create= d a duct=20 (for beer?) between UK and OK ;-)
 
Excellent QRP work!
 
73, Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 20,= 2010 11:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK

Hello Eddie, LF!

2214  = ; 4 =20 1.9   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37

2216 -29  2.0   0.503819&= nbsp; 0=20 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230   8  2.1  = =20 0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37

My next UK station in WSPR!=20 Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh= ! Congratulations=20 Roger.

 

Lubo= s you have the=20 Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP= is=20 on..

 

73

 

Eddie= =20 G3ZJO

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: 20= January 2010=20 22:01
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratula= tions,  "water=20 pistol"

1200km -= a very comfortable margin=20 too.

 

2010/1/20= Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hot= mail.com>

Hello Roger,=20 LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2 =  =20 0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16pt">2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910&= nbsp; 1 G3XBM JO02=20 0
Congratulation!

Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7:= Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten=20 prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED=20 informace.

 

No virus found in thi= s incoming=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus= Database:=20 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00

<= /DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-6044b54cc1c15e; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b54cc1c15e; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:01:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyhz-0006t4-OU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyhz-0006sv-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyhx-0003Tg-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EFD0F7000093 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E38D47000094 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.143]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 92CF07000093 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100118210015601.92CF07000093@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <297174A53F4C442EA0EF7C9E320F68FC@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9881.358E93E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope your not trying to send some one up are you Pete ? G =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:04 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there! 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski = wrote: From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? To: "137khz" Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09 Dear LF group, I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues,= however i thought it would be interesting to some readers... Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially= about hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a= sort of "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboa= rd a satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF si= gnals and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could ch= ase his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply make a= qso...) Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $= so adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this group= and we may have our "LF/MF toy" in space :) =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hope your  not  trying to&n= bsp;=20 send  some one up are you  Pete ?
 
G  

From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space???

Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there!

73 es= GL=20 petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski &= lt;sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>
Subject:=20 LF: LF/MF into space???
To: "137khz" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /A>>
Date:=20 Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09

Dear  LF group,
I know, it is&n= bsp;=20 rather  outside  of a regular  LF/MF  issu= es,=20 however i  thought it would  be interesting to some= =20 readers...
Recently,  i got an info about Tubesat Sate= llite=20 Kit:
http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm
{= please,=20 read also the pdf file  for more details, especially abou= t hardware=20 and software already included in this Kit }
Ok, due to its= price (=20 8.000 US$) -  for me, it is simply  a sort of=20 "entertainment"  being amateur radio related, however,i can=20 imagine  a construction of  uplink/downlink  se= tup=20 onboard a satellite  including  miniwhip antenna for=  =20 RX'ing  of  LF/MF  signals
and sending them= back to=20 earth  on 70 cm  band  ( one could chase = his/her=20 own signal  playing with Doppler etc.. or simply  ma= ke a=20 qso...)
Of course, the above price covers   = rocket=20 launch .

            &nbs= p;  =20                 &= nbsp;73 de=20 Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:  Lodz/jo91rs/
p.s. i just though= t  i=20 could throw-in  a 'penny' , say, 100 $  so  add= ing other=20 79  members ( i mean , their penny) of this group and we&= nbsp; may=20 have
our "LF/MF toy"  in space   :)&nbs= p;=20




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Have u got ur wires crossed. How do u get ur figures for a dipole at 100 ft high on 500. as 0.25 ohm Rr I am not looking for a QRO pa to get to 10w erp g3kev From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b874b578a4a33e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD071-b874b578a4a33e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjTT-000243-Uf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjTT-00023u-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjTQ-0001lj-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB23B4EB for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:44 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100120225644.04d410cf@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:34 +0100 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > > 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 > This gets better and better! John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b509d2b204; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:51:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C99AA3800007A; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpNr-0001aU-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpNr-0001aL-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpNp-0000Vn-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1006145ewy.29 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e52YZf0ZwXRIUGzLzWi4VbkBL/psweTsIsaCZHbTydY=; b=ObOjmR1lfh5igdOXX/EFaYt1g3f2ly8n+YSUmS/jW2e6e3OZjX/7a32BJMS1rBzU5l OtlopaCnMVmINj2awQJCQoXwfbmoqwtXb9vvacbsChLuYLcl4MwnQFiFrCSiSYfooVpn 8rBsR4tAUuNT9HVys9Jc/cPf6YkIef6uOp5iU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hKKcv2PRPYbVbOYxFUAODKQewwdcOZCS7unh9o+l/2AuV7vSoPoGexF4ycapO2sNml dreaLlccDKJXC/iVwflG9rS9XAefDzNypMZck3BrQMIPl+8q4Z8/g+b0JceXhG7q4c/A /PJ7DnAvIpaMDfXaJS8qd3ZQJPwe/W6XKwpJw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.132 with SMTP id u4mr934956wee.191.1263574238951; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:50:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:38 +0000 Message-ID: <8bf118411001150850l6bcdc752na7b131104d3d4841@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b509d296148 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo > LF Group > > > > Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my > coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com= >

LF Group

=A0

Yesterday I= increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached= its limits.

=A0



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G= 3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
--0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-86054b50744b1b2; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:57:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69F1D38000056; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmez-0008Tb-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmez-0008TS-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmex-0003Ay-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E2151C021 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:55:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6A331E702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:55:56 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:56:05 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21869249==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b5074481899 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_21869249==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Anyone come across these? > >http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > >I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > >73, >Lee M0LMH. > --=====================_21869249==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
 
Anyone come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 
--=====================_21869249==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-86004b4b414715b; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:18:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE0E238000076; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM0W-0003eN-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM0V-0003eD-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:39 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUM0T-0006y4-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:38 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BFGPSW030574 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:25 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c9c.5cb455e5 (43907) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC074-ab834b4b40bd169; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:20 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:12 +0000 Message-Id: <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b4b414316d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any effective radiation. One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be considered a "message"! If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a listener under the regulations. My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > conducting technical investigations.... > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > addition to it. > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > 73 > > David G4DMP > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b530d0b2bf; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:13:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A5593800010B; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUvv-0004wH-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUvv-0004w8-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWUvt-0006yO-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=14348 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NWUvn-00013G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:12:39 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000801ca9776$bdfe1180$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:10:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b530d0a3609 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jay, ERP 50W? 73 Andrey > Rik > > WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0 dial USB overnight tonight - > wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM > Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR > > >>I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but >>with little European audience. >> An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-86a54b5c7c3c233; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:58:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAA983800014A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5mX-0007KW-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5mX-0007KN-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ5mU-0000hv-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4GAOcKXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIKMwOhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="300169434" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 16:57:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100124161714.4uoabirs6os8wggo@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b5c7c3a36c0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to QRSS3. In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Eddie, first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to sunset. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > period of the screenshot. > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > Grabbers. > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi Eddie, > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > 1245utc. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > 73 > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave > G3WCB > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi, Eddie. > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > contains elements of both modes! > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of > g3zjo > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > To: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-8bcb4b4b999f3db; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:35:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8426B38000102; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NURtv-0005mF-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NURtu-0005m6-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURto-0001F7-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111212903.EQSX4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:29:03 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURos-00049W-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:29:03 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <019801ca9305$14cd9f60$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSUkoAfg29Muo7S7mNP9fisdQvawAscYNw X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=8Qw2kvqKHfsA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xMqyt3UgjxdnjCguF4YA:9 a=BDRFzisxNfwToGLRM68A:7 a=XI7nYwZrqk4w780n380rqZBhSTgA:4 a=ftx3PimO_ywA:10 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=ESaNNTV9vPqTbjqu:21 a=mpCNt4wGCMLj1mgP:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=rnjTaxgTU2JznvQ55TIA:9 a=XGxwT880DwO3lXbCYX0A:7 a=cS22jEknwkEmvhCY_3xqH3IJTlYA:4 a=tVPGMQhxPUiaUzPx:21 a=sWPS5rQx1gq_h8zk:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0199_01CA9305.14CD9F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b4b999c547b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0199_01CA9305.14CD9F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are obviously mainly engineers here!. A question was asked, and has been responded too in some considerable depth and detail and diverging opinions proffered. The questioner now knows a little more than he did at the start, but without an explicit answer to the question asked, other than "it depends"! Of course if we were consultants we would tell people what they already knew after asking them first and then charge them for it! Thanks for all the replies, and It looks like I am going to need "considerably bigger buns"! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 11 January 2010 00:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Thanks Andy and all interested in the group for the information. Surely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009. Results so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 content. My MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :- "Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and some small font Hell which looks best on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it should not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns." I have run MEPT's on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen? As I have mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more complex stuff and full Call Sign.. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 10 January 2010 21:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Making comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like. A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. 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But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9e14b561e2d19f; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME105-9e14b561e2d19f; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:03:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLDd-0003Nh-Eo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLDd-0003NY-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:33 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLDZ-0000B7-0O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:32 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2765184pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:02:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=j0QGGY26wOh4dn52VgX2/R0PjwY5bIzhtUbdRN58IJE=; b=sfF6OxSkUCtAxg+eyRDuIrb+zbXWm/wDOJMnSHIs0G1vGIf8am0uzZsu2DMYemLbVg 7eCkrKV/nK6eFqqbuGVAxY/dUMCeHNTpR3vrgzZ0Erff/uR7rX+d1zoda+rxJcWlYpxn nPWa/av62vnCjRi67Mvza5ZLgsTDyDf8D9oXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=b/yLrKuPDpXbeEuJKf3kJ7VkJylRJBYu2ByJ1X79tFv3zdcnxXZZMdYmboCYILdjXV 4Z8Dp5khP2IeWR84z849s4l+Udpx+mI0Ad0N2MNIWSapG+3Y6QGv9wP8uYv49q0NJrgI A6fWPcibRInm0YYahESaEGHTOYVrdZjgZLNEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5770965rvm.120.1263934940126; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:02:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:19 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f81b3e3123c4c128 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191302s63678102q7996f94940351e62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roger, Set your dial frequency to 502.300 kHz for centre frequency 503.600 kHz. I have tweeked my dial frequency to 502.320 kHz so I Tx on 503.600 kHz, there must be a small error in my system. Several decodes coming in now. Let me know if you are successful. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn > What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? > > 73s > Roger g3XBM > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Martin, >> >> Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. >> >> I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be >> able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping >> for others to try decoding. >> >> I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. >> I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Martin Evans >> >>> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >>> >>> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >>> >>> Can't decode it, of course. >>> >>> Martin GW3UCJ. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger,

Set your dial frequency to 502.300 kHz for ce= ntre frequency 503.600 kHz. I have tweeked my dial frequency to 502.320 kH= z so I Tx on 503.600 kHz, there must be a small error in my system.
<= div>

We are obviousl= y mainly engineers here!.   A question was asked, and has been responded too in some considerable de= pth and detail and diverging opinions proffered.  The questioner now know= s a little more than he did at the start, but without an explicit answer= to the question asked, other than “it depends”!=

 

Of course if we= were consultants we would tell people what they already knew after asking them first and then ch= arge them for it!

 

Thanks for all= the replies, and It looks like I am going to need “considerably bigger buns”!

 

With best regards=

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

&= nbsp;

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 11 January 2010= 00:08
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Tha= nks Andy and all interested in the group for the information.

&nb= sp;

Sur= ely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QR= SS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th= of November 2009.

&nb= sp;

Res= ults so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention= of the QRSS3 content.

&nb= sp;

My= MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I po= sted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :-

&nb= sp;

“Between the WSPR is QRSS= Morse and some small font Hell which looks best
on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it shou= ld
not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns.”

 

I have ru= n MEPT’s on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occ= upancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is go= ing to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never bee= n seen?

 

As I have= mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big= antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as= more complex stuff and full Call Sign..

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

&nb= sp;

-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Andy Talbo= t
Sent: 10 January 2010= 21:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

&nb= sp;

Mak= ing comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signall= ing rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like.

&nb= sp;

A= WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level.  Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - he= nce about 1.2 WPM.  If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate correspo= nds to a dot interval of 1 second.  So for a fair comparison, you = must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops act= ually use.   The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots= which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately.=

&nb= sp;

So= if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding cap= ability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS= takes three times longer for the same message.  

&nb= sp;

Its= rather more complicated in reality,  as this simple ccomparison assumes= the QRS signal is copied with zero errors.  As it involves fuzzy logic an= d human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error corr= ection

&nb= sp;

To= compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expre= ssed in Bits/second/Hz 

See= http://www.g4jnt.com/= MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes,= WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate.=

&nb= sp;


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

201= 0/1/10 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlap= thorn@gmail.com>

Fair comment= Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical ran= ge limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB= for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see= what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM

201= 0/1/10 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the= trace been keyed it could have been identified.

I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal&nb= sp;CW or QRS CW

Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little= signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise.<= span lang=3DEN-GB>

RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningles= s.

Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time.<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

G3KEV

&nb= sp;

----- Original Message -----

<= b>From: Roger Lapthorn <= /font>

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power= on WSPR

&nb= sp;

Certainly GM= 4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10d= B lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others= .

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

201= 0/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= /p>

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any= ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR ov= er a set distance?

As it seems I ca= n get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting= with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is the= re a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expe= cted Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there= are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916k= m with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining  8dB= or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability= as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for th= e dB difference over known paths/signals?<= o:p>

Thanks in advanc= e for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS=

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

 

 



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http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
http:/= /www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088

&nb= sp;

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Dear Walter, Pieter-Tjerk,
 
well Walter was probably referring to= the receiver=20 FPGA, running through those billions of calculations per second= =20 ;-)
 
Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio= from the Twente=20 receiver - hope you don't mind! I did set the carrier= to a low=20 frequency (300 Hz) so that WSPR can cope with the samplerate=20 interpolation.
 
73, and thanks again for this fascina= ting=20 resource!
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 201= 0 2:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Wa= lter=20 und Marianne Staubach wrote:

> Especially thanks to the=20 Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports between 19:54 and 07:= 32. ( The=20 operator in the receiver seems to be a hard-working guy ).
<= BR>Well...=20 I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR decoder= running=20 here, although I do hope to add that in the future.

So curren= tly the=20 WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by someone else who= feeds=20 audio from our site into a WSPR decoder.

73, Pieter-Tjerk,=20 PA3FWM


------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-86544b4c695d10; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:21:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCE9B380008D5; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfje-0000YW-MM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfje-0000YN-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfjc-000057-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0CCKLRf029133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:50:22 -0330 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:50:21 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <5CFBFABB20E64C229ED9741C5FDED135@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5CFBFABB20E64C229ED9741C5FDED135@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VX9MRC tonight Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4c695a7631 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Helo Jim, Group, It is a pleasure to hear from you again, Jim, as well to learn that you were able to hear VX9MRC. Thank-you kindly for the report. The TX is a homebrewed class E with 40 V B+, and is beacon mode for now, running continuously 100 watts at 1.6 RF amps to a 100 metre wire at 10m height. 73 to all Joe VO1NA On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Well, Gus' SSB beacon is getting up to about S5 here at times, but I can also > hear (at 2238utc) VX9MRC on about 507.77kHz peaking up to about RST549, with > the usual deep QSB. I think this is the first time I have heard a readable > transatlantic CW signal on 500k. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-a2394b4f8e45ed; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:36:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9510738000081; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXLU-00037z-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXLU-00037p-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXLS-00084N-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so15825091fxm.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:35:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hdFy1QEfH2FpcwCRQWfDpAK5/B9MNJsPiXYKfZ/z5as=; b=ouuZgHcBvai6qDxw9P8282NBrTWKkbtp7/Ojboy5weeiO6kzWnq4viZn9q/pKEUKqN tn/c/S4eQe/4m/eneeVI743xKFv0OMnTOF6muE1ZF1bQZ9zf+u8luJs4wmEj30UR5mnu F+Ai3/GaKjCcKSAs7n2dCGqKGlnLSpdjbPKS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=E3ptG1BMsqDhNUyztd/3BklWKCGZGWz2VCyECWnH3ua8ZeVk6aUJ9ioDwpKb0LDI+C A0ZvBMk5KVpZZsMsv6VejGavY3Ss9GHmdrnZK6iisMhH4HOJGgTzqd2sGmDJETPsNaMO ECALTC/6t+YjpkQ34uWWmwBoF0E0lB9R8exQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.199 with SMTP id i7mr150825hbh.44.1263504904386; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:35:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b4f8e4217ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's how submarine communications antennas work on ELF (81Hz or whatever). A very long wire is grounded at the far end. the skin depth of poor conductivity ground results in a loop antenna with teh current returning deep in the ground Apparantly, a test was done in this country back in the 1960's, using a section of power grid line grounded at one end and a surplus power station run up, loading into it - presumably at a frequency shifted away from 50Hz. Sounds an interesting experiment although don't know what results were ever found. Think of the health and safety red-tape if anyone suggested something like that, these days. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/14 James Moritz > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Interestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces > an upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it > also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the ends" like > a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin loop, with the > missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacitance between the > wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing to try, but quite > hard to evaluate the results, I think! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > --001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's how submarine communications antennas work on ELF (81Hz or= whatever).=A0 A very long wire is grounded at the far end.=A0 the skin de= pth of poor conductivity ground results in a loop antenna with teh current= returning deep in the ground
=A0
Apparantly, a test was done in this country back in the 1960's,= using a section of=A0 power grid line grounded at one end and a surplus= power station run up, loading into it - presumably at a frequency shifted= away=A0from 50Hz.=A0
=A0
Sounds an interesting experiment although don't know what results= were ever found.=A0=A0 Think of the health and safety=A0red-tape if anyon= e suggested something like that, these days.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/14 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com= >
Dear Mal, LF Group,

Int= erestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces an= upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it= also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the en= ds" like a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin= loop, with the missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacita= nce between the wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing= to try, but quite hard to evaluate the results, I think!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


--001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-8bee4b4659313c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:59:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86BB9380004D3; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT0Mj-0003SV-FV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT0Mj-0003SM-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT0Mg-0008HO-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAD7nRUtOlmvr/2dsb2JhbACIJswzhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,237,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="403143198" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.107.235]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000201ca8fe4$69e82f20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b46592e3b4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >Quite busy on 500kHz tonight - A few new RX stations on today too. Jim, I copied your calls on CW, by ear 559 to SM6BHZ 539 with QSB. 73 Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b5d7b8c175; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:07:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 034883800004F; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMmT-0004K6-R6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMmT-0004Jx-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMmR-0007Gn-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0PB6gBk097220 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b5d7b8a3243 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, I see on your sceenshot that BL-410 has an extra "E". This indicates that it is operating on its back up transmitter. All NDB's have a back up transmitter that automatically is switched on when the main transmitter develops a fault. Monitoring stations will spot the "E" and have some maintenance personel directed to the transmitter site. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b4215a8127; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:22:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BCA938007ADC; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRoe1-0008B1-EU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRoe1-0008As-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRody-0002pc-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.211] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRodw-0003WX-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:14:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:14:39 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1160510449@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1160510449@web.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b4206555d42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new year= " da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werde=20 ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 oe5odl ossi =20 Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > Dear Ossi,=20 > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands for= experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape stri= p "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explan= ing message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc.=20 > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band,= with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as= TEST or QST message.=20 > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amat= eur mode.=20 > > 55, > Hans-Albrecht > DK 8 ND > > > > =20 >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl >> =20 > > > =20 >> Hallo victor ! >> tu fer pic testing new antenna >> running good in the new year hi >> happy new year=20 >> 73 oe5odl ossi >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: >> =20 >>> Happy new year to all, >>> >>> captured ODL this morning >>> 137710 Hz >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Victor >>> PA3FNY >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >>> >>> =20 >> =20 > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.140]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b648f3a7b; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:57:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C094A38000213; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJQg-0003qE-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJQf-0003q5-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:25 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJQc-0002tr-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:25 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2247655bwz.4 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:56:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tXB+5ggGVOkdGQ5/gtzUnA8qFnGyUIZqfpDGlcIw034=; b=WI2eTAsOZ0eQu+IPfRth7OWiO0lXIp+QSbFtus38jqAaMrqoJ8fMhrx17F+M2Mz2TO hUfsfW45HPCdRFzlufO2dYLQqnPN9E7je55bhw+Y58lH3LCEUAQoxASum42N6p8ZW1hs r/FNfftamIlUVTCSlc6DxWs6RHV/V9mwjVCMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xgz6UMPaC+KES/wpBFk2Q+KEtgkhjY9zV6fpntO8Q6LCH2tVhwqvtAyfSs9446ONF9 BBMYPrb206B8iymcOyP2PNuC0NYcE748JUydRPXAHmENOc5RpZ1jAKI0Tf2ssOtFL8nL xSv/M7NAf3SYPKsD/TJhuRpBfAKXXtHw2PB4U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.208 with SMTP id m16mr1462131bkd.180.1264881371745; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:56:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <2050490190@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:11 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001301156q7b6c283ctbf78ba3e36adca9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4b648f382c2c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received the picture fine Stefan. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Dear LF, > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a strang= e > design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give= my a > short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. > > I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to solv= e > this problem, sri agn. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new an= d > perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received the picture fine Stefan.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de= >
Dear LF,
=A0
Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp= is in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook= exchange (?)
=A0
Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture= , please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct for= mat now.
=A0
I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adre= ss soon to solve this problem, sri agn.
=A0
I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will= send the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already wo= rking vy fine!
=A0
73, Stefan/DK7FC
Several decodes coming in now.

Let= me know if you are successful.

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Roger Lapth= orn <roger= lapthorn@gmail.com>
What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary pl= ease?

73s
Roger g3XBM

2010/1/1= 9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

<= /div>
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b537204c1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:24:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DCC0038000154; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWbeb-00011M-Ma for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWbeb-00011D-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWbeZ-0000Q6-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wjlj1d0090QuhwU56kPCVe; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:12 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WkPB1d0012DDHkk3NkPBwW; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b537202015e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Jay, > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > Reports via wsprnet.org > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz >> USB. Some stations will begin >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. >> Stations may be adjusting their >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports, >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. >> >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will >> continue on in WSPR mode >> instead. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-8bc84b6222a6124; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:49:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B7AAD38000065; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nae6V-0004VF-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nae6V-0004V6-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nae6T-0003Lg-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 31803 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264722523; bh=j8qhDMaRBGO8yFPra3Jh5WyWzg2KCl3UpYa0xLYiYgg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c8Vp7ojiK/NgousHXOJNVIRseaQABFsmP2lPIwLHcbo+mtLJCnn6utFTactEY1HwntPrhglxtlfluuArI4WyU3Ak26Klb5B0tgMpaaWqAuBMeeA7ohZFbIgHTDiEsLjdkTmOScxUihsJWJzQnZ86rxBfw3ow1ZGYzNFt4vesdBU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lwt9BO6/Jzj79rjgw/m8VJxyIc0NHFZSPYZKggcbjcHn9hRGOGdXmDMOw00jU/5HctiYrD0UrW2sbX0UOgKVqT2tT8ZBjcoclssMxaweNxlUBX0MWp1psA89OHPDS7Wy6+XEjkEVzz2gdAKt4NLlhFfe4Y2D2/S46Q9uE/MJw+g=; Message-ID: <894193.30742.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pBjiQPwVM1k_hnyTfyoEtjfeYkktL904h_8d8BtnRt1Clvp1PlPIXxrC5v8rtEvlMJjHnllPmN1c0pZgHEU4C80XmJQ5RxhP556S4Zl7q3uErmX5.NRxOCftUxuzI9Ol5Sy5aJCScU7QqrNNO.MosVbo2HiE1p0K3dc6n2AZ4IuGGFa.KaH965dA1Mm0j1u.WiyTs7B_aJEzFNXpf7IDsxBBusOczu7jK9VbFMsw8DDeThlRPqOalnLv50c54uywsro.6nWmaCgttxpYm9tEQiUqGzCqXVAADAet0nr2QHBYbYUljqZ_qPP1nhHzgI33.vY- Received: from [81.131.35.157] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b6222a4092f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik if you "attach" a item you must put a subject line in or it seems to= totally confuse the parser at Majordomo. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"_000_BF4A5= 24700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 20:16 > --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz. >=20 > Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > > Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b44e7ab373; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:42:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3E07938000220; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbl1-00081t-I0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbl1-00081k-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSbkz-00071m-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so39094922pxi.30 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:41:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G4Xfo88HgVu/Wg3mUUc+qrGGkQtOAxQwuxcaRsaF5w0=; b=NdQnR3q0n3IM4aYq2QNUNbnycKAvtso9eZlBkvWW7Y4dtXMaCuMyIVJs070DZQULjy 7hG8HeDnsFtJc8DBuvbWaqko8Q1OnomLCrd8iiwwc9Wn+gpI9aEfcGmkIuUUSQVNcge7 ek4P8X9lnY5AsjY1BdHK1ruv8BTs24RUd+6lE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RaClPkIVGyTTQcNzHs7L7Qts6n9U2vpu37MzcSCwBTyWkDTcusUEuNx0x5+87PcGkb 0zxNnO8n6Jps1FQk7aJGjbnDq2b0QQZUW76uvGYiQT8CnL+hYMhkgnW3BhnioyIzUiPT iw2gpyaTcuu01DmXpoCCBqWzkmk7MdtgSBEsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.252.8 with SMTP id z8mr17617565rvh.118.1262806878176; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:41:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:41:18 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ca203c2630f2c74 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001061141y8a63fb2yb8956ced48d0f100@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b44e7a82954 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Is that on 500.550kHz, if so yes I can hear it but not so strong as you can with my small antenna. RST 319 at best, variable with QSB 73 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/6 mal hamilton > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on > 500 > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* mal hamilton > *To:* rsgb > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:14 PM > *Subject:* LF: JABIL EL HAH IS > > New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ then > test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. > Has anyone worked him yet ? > Active now at 1710z > G3KEV > > > --000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

Is that on 500.550kHz, if so yes I can hear it but= not so strong as you can with my small antenna. RST 319 at best, variable= with QSB

73

Gary - G4WG= T

2010/1/6 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Am I the only station in EU hearing= this beacon now=20 sending 12TH TEST on 500
G3KEV
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010= 5:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS

New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil=A0E= l Haj Is,=20 =A0near Yemen I think, =A0CQ then test.Good signal=20 here=A0569=A0taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
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--000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9a14b4b685638c; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:05:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME025-9a14b4b685638c; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:05:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOcY-0004UM-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOcX-0004UD-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOcV-00033C-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:05 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0BI3wdr015596 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:04:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:03:53 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=----------jltRp0vfzlVOkfIV09aV1V X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------------jltRp0vfzlVOkfIV09aV1V Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andy, This is an interesting question. The last few years I have increased the readibility of very weak non directional beacons by decreasing the filter bandwidth. The results have been quite spectacular. Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found looking at the bouncing analogue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio for aural copy was between 5 and 10 dB. However a PERSEUS SDR is much better facilitated for this kind of measurement. Attached is a small part of my PERSEUS GUI and shows the signal of NDB BK from Kazachstan, which is excellent to copy in a 5 Hz wide bandwidth. Creating this picture was not trivial, though. The signal level excursions of the band noise are around +/- 3 dB and the static disrupted the measurement from time to time. Hence 15 second of not by static interrupted recording was played back in a loop for 5 minutes. The averaged band noise is around -143 dBm and the averaged signal (BK in morse code, 7 w.p.m.) is -135 dBm. Thus 8 dB over the band noise. This may appear to be a wide margin, but both band noise and signal suffer from quick changes in signal strength. In practice the signal to noise ratio varies from 4 to 8 dB. I will try to do some more measurements on weak daytime signals, but that will have to wait until later this week. On an other note, using software that takes advantage of the repititive nature of beacons, it is possible to achieve a considerable improvement in S/N. This could also be used instead of QRSS and enable the receiving party to control the needed time for reliable identification, depending on propagation. 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Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b644e8c1c0; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:21:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D4EE538000063; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF7Y-000380-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF7Y-00037r-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF7X-0001Vf-QE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by 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It seems that conditions were very good last night. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hello Mike, Dave, > Capture 22.00-03.40. > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b954b5431e015d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD087-b954b5431e015d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:03:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoRG-0008HU-Pi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoRG-0008HL-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWoRE-0005cE-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWF00EPXT7T7I@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:02:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:02:04 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qP2DvMhWEav4anaLkYGoVA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_qP2DvMhWEav4anaLkYGoVA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_olcI8AKqaliCBoAcoA7FrA)" --Boundary_(ID_olcI8AKqaliCBoAcoA7FrA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg sri, Joe, wrong name,big signal antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891. best 73s henny cpm. 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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg
sri, Joe, wrong name,big signal
antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891.
best 73s
henny cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg

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22:42:17 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b5a1c005875 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, thanks. I just decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync =3D 11 , dB =3D -2. Not sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black =20 background. What else could cause the poor sync ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Andy Talbot : > See annotations below > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM > dB =3D -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to= 2.5kHz) > DT =3D 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both= ends > DF =3D -107 -107Hz tuning error > W =3D 33 Not sure - > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b64bd49179; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:14:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F12F438000089; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMUr-0005DE-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMUq-0005D5-Tc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbMUp-0004Kr-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W10 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:12:48 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.2] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:12:48 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 23:12:48.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF4B060:01CAA201] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_" Subject: LF: long haul X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b64bd471bf6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137Khz looks pretty good this afternoon - DCF39 138.835 -+ is strong S5,= 2 hours before sunset here in Oklahoma. =20 Laurence KL 1X /5 EM26 AR =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137Khz looks pretty good this afternoon - DCF39 138.835 -+ is strong= S5, 2 hours before sunset here in Oklahoma.
 
Laurence KL 1X /5 EM26 AR

Your E-mail= and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-a77f4b464a4c356; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:55:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CA49380000A5; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSzMy-00035N-Bb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSzMx-00035E-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSzMv-0007mO-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from COL122-W23 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:53:59 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2010 20:53:59.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[8922A7C0:01CA8FDB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_" Subject: RE: LF: LF: 500 khz last night X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b464a494dcc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andrey, LF! Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you good luck on the 600m= band! Lubos, OK2BVG ******************************** > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 > Subject: LF: LF: 500 khz last night >=20 > Hello all, > Last night I observed very good propagation. > DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. > Also for the first time I saw a considerable > quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) > 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); > 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); > 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) >=20 > 73 Andrey >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andrey, LF!
Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you go= od luck on the 600m band!

Lubos, OK2BVG

********************= ************

> From: rn3agc@mail.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300
> Subject:= LF: LF: 500 khz last night
>
> Hello all,
> Last night= I observed very good propagation.
> DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579.
&g= t; Also for the first time I saw a considerable
> quantity of "banan= as" in a wspr-range :)
> 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16= );
> 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26);
> 2 decodin= gs PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04)
>
> 73 Andrey
>
Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn= =ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.88]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b60b33c1ab; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:42:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4906138000472; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFdM-0005i7-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFdL-0005hy-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFdJ-00075h-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7DE7B8047 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C737331E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:52 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqflIuIvBkxAkfHRLq7jQJb6CCBwAAA/BOA Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> ,<1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584b60b33a65d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W woul= d provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. Impressive. I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W= PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cann= ot use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the te= xt to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short pe= riod say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so= in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,<= /font>
 
the SNR values over the= last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy= and 0.5W occasional copy.
Impressive.
I should get QRV on= JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, = ;and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot= use that with my HF/500kHz transverter.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's= query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sho= rt period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the momen= t so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

Gary,<= /font>
 
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary -= G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a394b4b8fa0290; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:52:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG103-a394b4b8fa0290; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:52:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUREi-0005dk-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUREi-0005db-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUREg-000142-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009BF8A5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:51:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:51:32 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote (to Alberto di Bene): > What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall > when we had a QSO or heard you. Mal, a "preferred mode" is actually any mode that works in the current circumstances. Please choose your words more carefully, Alberto is one of the few gentlemen on this planet that has given us well engineered, free and simple-to-use tools (Argo, Jason etc.) that enable us to enjoy LF communication over much greater distances than would be possible with plain old CW. Hand pumped CW is fun, indeed, but my definition of communication is somewhat wider that just conveying the digits "599". Alberto understands information theory which, apparently, you do not. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b44f9bc10d; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:59:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B7D538000095; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NScxi-0008Jt-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NScxi-0008Jk-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NScxg-0001yl-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b44f9bb52d7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the north east. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-b584b4f7d403a4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD012-b584b4f7d403a4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWCy-0002B8-UZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWCy-0002Az-74 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWCu-0007DJ-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so22335723fxm.30 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h6D7ckAwfDf2dJT/BmKrsUquSEht0JuGg6h+d4QTvtA=; b=rB9SCWTcP1d8fWA8/8beVZwdQC1KtqpEj+rP7/PKChf9k+1ExR4S0KVOFv6BMJ2kIB W5QXv/AisGmmoykIc5x4q8SIGyxYsc4KaHaELP8UrepY7y+aTtglRw4mFCkgiswMsZNd cg2e2F+72Y49eJTQOgGO4ijDVgEGgZlqpymB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gkc3jbnisD+c6zRqcOFohpQ7JmsKN+ANlBZtL/uSKfMknAKtiSnOr0xT/Cgm1KBUpe 4/4vpl4p7Y6SEXdXFAC1znzCaHHYix5jJlxkI/rr+X1+UPC/wBHqSuaeUt4QTmRovPRq Jww0GYmcigJIqtaemN1sHWhAh7WC+h6RehfOs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.156.14 with SMTP id k14mr128806hbc.181.1263500529672; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I did :-) The FT817 block diagram shows two oscillators in the chain a master at 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked out straightaway. They done it on the cheap :-( SO you probably wouldn't even get a drift advantage by moving to a lower RF to transvert from. I *was *going to suggest mixing from topband to effect some frequency drift reduction. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > You mean derive it from the *transceiver's* master oscilllator. Yes, a > good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well > be on "grown up" radios. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/14 Andy Talbot > > If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's >> master oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any >> frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output >> frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. >> >> Just an example: >> The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from >> 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily >> divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn >> >> My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts >>> about 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand >>> to adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the >>> oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I >>> start TXing. >>> >>> At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient >>> temperature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even >>> greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a >>> larger temperature range. >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. >>>> 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >>>> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >>>> >>>> Thanks all the comments. >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >>>> >>>> Dear LF Group, >>>>> >>>>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be >>>>> a better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>>> 73 de M0BMU >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>>>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=A0I did :-)
=A0
The FT817 block diagram=A0shows two oscillators in the chain=A0 a mas= ter at 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked= out straightaway.=A0 They done it on the cheap :-(=A0
=A0
SO you probably wouldn't even get a drift advantage by=A0moving= to a lower RF to transvert from.=A0 I was going to sugge= st=A0mixing from topband to effect some frequency drift reduction.
2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
You mean derive it from the transceiver's master oscilllator. Yes, a good idea, but the MO is= not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well be on "grown up&qu= ot; radios.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt= .com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by= the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar reg= ions


2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn= @gmail.com>=20

My own QRP transv= erter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before set= tling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial= setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running al= l the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz woul= d be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <<= a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past 12= hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885
73, Rik





--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.= uk
= http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 = =A0ISWL G11088


--001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b562a8317; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:56:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1238B38000044; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXM2j-0004Nx-2K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXM2i-0004No-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:20 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXM2f-0000Yd-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:20 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7576306pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iHmsrRtgL9xrrCYnpLkaIvtvuT5X2nUKXHeM8yWUo6I=; b=gmigNM9tKFsfYIf3a7rB196xp5Kl/oeF+8Vpg3rXOBBS7BtSleujNnQReRlHcDqyWb 3KBaRG30HbflWLPhaMGz93bObAeZhuRucprX/wQwKtKAb1z2Mertgrruj5N1kPxIhFct 2GW8C6jZ30UnU66n7AoJ1iIpfWHwhnY5Jb47k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=a0NFQtrntUsZOq5IAnD52AQaFmhYdvARXqpBgpie+ADQ+7+8t8+81PIuE3rQ7dcM06 ml7XzLgmgZrqpbRmZvY9m+aIvl89Zi/TKw+UeQKUz1Z9nIItZ7D5zfNHY7rzQwiKiMoV TsTpPqKrbkjsDxcBNPPKxRVe/f8SrszyJcBUg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5810241rvm.120.1263938110450; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1b0b6c7f4db38260 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191355m48d6be8dt82a04bcd4b0aa3b1@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b562a804cee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ko, You wrote :- """Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more. 202000 27 -8 0.0 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 202200 9 -15 -0.1 -468 23 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0""" I have just had that message & it was caused by a WSPR signal in the JT4A Rx pass band. It will probably be best to set the Tol to 200 (+/- 200Hz from centre frequency) & tick freeze so the decoder will only decode in that 400 Hz slot. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > Hi Gary > Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more. > > 202000 27 -8 0.0 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202200 9 -15 -0.1 -468 23 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0 > > 202400 27 -5 -0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202600 18 -7 -0.2 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202800 20 -11 0.0 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203000 22 -7 -0.1 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203200 22 -9 -0.1 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203400 19 -9 0.2 -477 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > I hope the jpg is not to big. > > 73 Ko > --000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ko,

<= /div>
You wrote :-
"""Not sure were the line with= wrong mode came from but here's some more.

202000 27 =A0 -8 =A00.0 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
202200 =A09 =A0-15 -0.1 -468 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0***WR= ONG MODE?*** =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 0"""

I have just had that message & it was caused by a WSPR signal in the= JT4A Rx pass band.

It= will probably be best to set the Tol to 200 (+/- 200Hz from centre freque= ncy) & tick freeze so the decoder will only decode in that 400 Hz slot= .

73=

Ga= ry - G4WGT.

2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&= gt;
Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi Ko,

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as th= ere is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into= the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi Gary
Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more.=

202000 27 =A0 -8 =A00.0 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202200 =A09 =A0-15 -0.1 -468 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0***WRONG MODE?*** =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 0 =A0 0

202400 27 =A0 -5 -0.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202600 18 =A0 -7 -0.2 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202800 20 =A0-11 =A00.0 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203000 22 =A0 -7 -0.1 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203200 22 =A0 -9 -0.1 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203400 19 =A0 -9 =A00.2 -477 32 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

I hope the jpg is not to big.

73 Ko

--000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.209]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5ee24b54ce2e31; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A16D380000A1; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyqO-000704-Qv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyqO-0006zv-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyqL-0000DV-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Jan 2010 21:06:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD34A96.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.74.150] by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 18 Jan 2010 22:06:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19oJ0MgqPVo61sLM8fdZioR6LaDQWqegSY+CH2OSN 98ZrnDtxi5XRci Message-ID: <016c01ca9882$110b8ae0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <8F68856579324DFBBDEE947B86E8036D@AGB> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:05:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48999999999999999 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b54ce2d5cae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, thanks for the link to the capture. Looks strange indeed,cat whisker-like (again :-) ). Seems the carrier I've seen is a different one. >you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? No,according to the frequency scale (numbers are a bit small) a bit le= ss than +/-50Hz on the screenshot. I've also looked with wider spreads,but no 50Hz or 100Hz harmonics wer= e visible. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Ok Clemens, Mal was looking at 900 Hz spread with 100 Hz separation .. from= you post, you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? nothing like that shows at Liverpool .. only a random pattern ca= used by the modulation , Gary captured this pattern a while ago > http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/504%20off%201353z%2020090720.jpg G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > Graham, > > the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. > The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. > I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? > Or do I miss your point? > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > ? > Clemens > > I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is on= ly > across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the = noise > on > spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clemens Paul" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > >> That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. >> Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, >> a bit more than 3Hz below. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "mal hamilton" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >>> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >>> g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> >>>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum= lines >>>> showing, >>>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>>> >>>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.90= 0 >>>> and >>>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >>> frequency >>>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "mal hamilton" >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>>> > carrier >>>> > 503.4 K/cs >>>> > de mal/g3kev >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "James Moritz" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>>> >> >>>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: >> 01/17/10 08:35:00 >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.730 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.149/2631 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 18/10 17:56:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b50ac9a266; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6D5A380002F0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sv-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sd-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqPW-0001FZ-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAMI6UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbME4QxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="436943501" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <006301ca960c$06483590$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b50ac981a43 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now active G4JNT 5 dB, PA0AM -8 dB. Two other wspr stns active one each side of G4JNT but swamped by his= 5 dB sig and not decoding with me. All would be readable in QRS3 MODE even though they are close. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now active
G4JNT 5 dB, PA0AM -8 dB.
Two other wspr stns active one each= side of G4JNT=20 but swamped by his 5 dB sig and not decoding with me.
All would be readable in QRS3 MODE ev= en though they=20 are close.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5ebc4b50a10b1c4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:08:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E59D7380002E5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpdL-0001iL-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpdL-0001iC-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpdJ-0000i9-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAIIvUEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMDoQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="424983705" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b50a10973a3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some= ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some one has switched a dirty carrier= on 503.5 full=20 of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a294b4f7d8a3df; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG083-a294b4f7d8a3df; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWEV-0002C1-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWEV-0002Bs-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWET-0007El-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0EKNeLB047730 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:23:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:31 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, Glad to hear you solved this problem. I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there. The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt JO23tm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-a834b4f8a9d35b; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:20:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834b4f8a9d35b; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVX64-0002sO-Ph for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVX64-0002sF-Ag for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVX62-0004oL-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 59866 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jsCEMmCvnYl4BRGlxtIL82aw+t6N1G6ClfL8miVgevlkIe2j7tHVhkPPIpyRKedKUlitPjNbj5JSs9SNxqrgJwNJnYICzhonWTgBQODTk6Wg2TeaVEy+gXjgF4S0O3zyb6hIz7cys9Al2a1F7hMCRs2v3keezDaIFc2jBvqUAH8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: VnrrjLIVM1mBpXljuK5IRLYP8ev_ptzhOI57ecDH_k_5NOOpotiAqA0vCfX8toJahrkDxUxQiL9yKcAO0g3zR8.o.s8Xb_15_5IEoWBxK4zTLxokBm1CT112byDJfbOiEvLEXpnpWO3DN5Y6KWtwvMC9gdWBYu2q11v86bKFYO3S8SG5cW9gVPJHyVVPzJSHrZMNo4WKeV.GIf1PL.Ip6QAgEBiNdtHrOgISlHPFs78zrA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, Interestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces an upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the ends" like a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin loop, with the missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacitance between the wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing to try, but quite hard to evaluate the results, I think! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME084-9a84b50dd5624b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:26:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84b50dd5624b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:25:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVter-0007Dm-2y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVteq-0007Dd-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVteo-0006h4-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F572ACDAD for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID059oaoVyf5870X01; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:31 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID059oaoVyf5870X01 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.211.146] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 887oaoVyd2672M40; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:29 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.211.146 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B50DD0B.5070004@usa.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:24:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID887oaoVyd2672X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080803040703060001090204" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------080803040703060001090204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

i.e. 5010 km/W with Andy.   Received also PA0A



but here we are at a mere 178 km/W... :-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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([217.69.129.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSzmw-0002Sy-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:05 +0000 Received: from mail by f298.mail.ru with local id 1NSzmq-0004Rj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 Received: from [79.98.8.20] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [79.98.8.20] Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 References: X-Mru-Data: 1328:1:1:70:70:0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_LF=3A_LF=3A_500_khz_last_night?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Lubos, > Hello Andrey, LF! > Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you good luck on the 600m band! Thanks! Some days ago, I precisely do not remember when, I observed your signal at 11 h local time (8 h UTC)! Report M/T. > > Lubos, OK2BVG 73 Andrey > > ******************************** > > > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 > > Subject: LF: LF: 500 khz last night > > > > Hello all, > > Last night I observed very good propagation. > > DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. > > Also for the first time I saw a considerable > > quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) > > 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); > > 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); > > 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) > > > > 73 Andrey > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Zjedodu te si ka dodenní úkoly. Který poèítaè je pro vás ten pravý? > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9ce4b5962da348; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:33:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b5962da348; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:33:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYEwD-00019V-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYEwD-00019M-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYEwB-0003mC-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so734879fgg.10 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JAnMGDZaVdIGaF1OVP9w9ldOJgJ2NYGk5HOWfnpmN0M=; b=EZs76hMEkPDusCW/s1kybZAE1LQq81KG/VV2FIgqD4MZTm2zbFWOf3DPL6wAYtmBBk eVeXAZ3k1dQLHuO1/SUaU86yG7Je5Jv1PYX6oM5uroDBMINckibqPutA+N+Y7gfk7P+0 JBxb9UqCC5u4pMzE/lD2WGk0us83n9OhBjyyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YPGOvvF3sNnPVxiFRbAY2U9JMFN36G0cypzHYGSbMp44tP3F7+hc0VTRiVnEqcw8R2 rLF2qgOLdhMr7UzkUisNqM/p+/5gcdWPw/I/ENHmmQlpu5CvgZSMUxXoZS5+00rklH/L m1i4X1hy8WfJjP+nSz7NiWP7zMMOQpwRcanEk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.77 with SMTP id h13mr297992hbi.74.1264149133586; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ERP<>EMRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the equation. I^2.R is the actual power radiated. Which direction it then goes is a different issue. Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ? A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity. Therefore a short monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times. Neither of which is 1.83 Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Hi Andy, > > Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? > > 73, Stefan > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot > Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please= ? > > > So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic > electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of > getting antenna efficiency. > > Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. > > Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of= the > antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to= 6dB > error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > --001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the eq= uation.=A0
I^2.R is the actual power radiated.
Which direction=A0it then goes is a different issue.
=A0
Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ?
A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity.=A0 Therefore a short= monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times.=A0 Neither of which= is 1.83

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer &l= t;schaefer@hst.tu-darmstad= t.de>
Hi Andy,

Isn't it,= the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna?

73, Ste= fan

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auf= trag von Andy Talbot
Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please?<= br>

So go on: =A0argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived fr= om basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law)= way of getting antenna efficiency.

Or =A0ERP =3D =A0 I^2 . Rrad =A0 where I is measurable.

Only un= certainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenn= a used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB err= or. =A0The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com <http://www= .g4jnt.com/>



--001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.74]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-a18f4b5c486d95; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7C3C3800006F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2KO-00063R-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2KN-00063I-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:31 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2KL-0007oO-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:31 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0ODGPxa015785 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id F18387C833D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.432 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 (MET) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4b5c486b57a5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports > between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be a > hard-working guy ). Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.220]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b5d73471; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:32:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0FFFC38000090; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMEE-0003ww-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMED-0003wn-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMEB-0006oS-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWS006ZBT8692@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:31:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:31:16 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_I3EgYgs7n/9+Br9L72HJ2g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dc4b5d73436011 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_I3EgYgs7n/9+Br9L72HJ2g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_74BiSbxQdl4ieUEkjeiE3w)" --Boundary_(ID_74BiSbxQdl4ieUEkjeiE3w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,LF Capture Z and BL on 509Khz. 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Hi,LF
Capture Z and BL on 509Khz.
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg

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<20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b50db517d05 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too glib =A0 I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not the= mirror image how does that work. Please explain? How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start=A0event= before its happened it doesn't compute!=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote: From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55 I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrier hap= pens first the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind of swi= tcher at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital =A0 be interested to find out what it is =A0 Bob K3DJC =A0 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" writes: Hi All, =A0 Anyone come across these? =A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =A0 =A0 ____________________________________________________________=20 Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! =20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Too glib
 
I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not= the mirror image how does that work. Please explain?
How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start&nbs= p;event before its happened it doesn't compute! 

73 es GL pete= fmt

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc= @juno.com> wrote:

From: riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@jun= o.com>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55

I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
 
be interested to find out what it is
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" <= hudsonville@btinternet.com> writes:
Hi All,<= /FONT>
<= /SPAN> 
Anyone= come across these?
<= /SPAN> 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
<= /SPAN> 
I have= seen them on 80m too in the past.
<= /SPAN> 
73,
Lee M0LM= H.
 
 

____________________________________________________________
Nutrition
Improve your career he= alth. Click now to study nutrition!

=20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB104-869e4b58d9643ad; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:47:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50F4E38000197; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5mh-0008U2-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5mh-0008Tt-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY5mf-0001EC-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so608904fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Nx6qioKZ7vCZa20NPQL/c4csQQn4Ndzoiug1Rmy5NE4=; b=PPArGzR7NGupWffUBObIrzPV79PQMwo+AAA88tdYc438oTxyOV3caRSVVtmTQ8CHHW uZl+bi0DmxTnmvGCH81cUCHFwXrF7qY9FyBaT/zGPAGv3vpkwAlslRyvuslWcWd/tCkI egTlvecoRME0CCmr58LzcS8fmAxvehH6Wstq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nXXMz880vTnz3/3/Co5ToxHNgtKZK5oMmOzAnuwWdqe2CycMArO9Zqg6UA0vixaYZe t/SEn4l4EhqLWISQ3q5HL/SIxJkh7K1h1gAg3QAFEENuUiiHNpbLbbofryZwCO3D05M3 VLeA3DDXBPluo7MNBL1SyE/kcUVA3J4UKPtK0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.133 with SMTP id g5mr236943hbh.182.1264113942777; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:45:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f4533483d159047db476a1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b58d9622252 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f4533483d159047db476a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, Gary, what frequency Tol setting do you have? I see Jim's freq reading is -77Hz, so if you have Tol set to 50Hz, for example, it'll miss Jim's signals. It defaults to 400Hz at startup, so a lower value will have to have been set somehow. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > Ah... > I wonder. > > Jim's DT setting for your sigs is around +2 seconds. Which means in the > opposite direction it would be -2s. This is a bit marginal. The WSJT > modes were designed originally for EME, and I *think* the acceptable time > window is assymetric, being around 2s negative and up to 6s positive to > allow for the EME delay. > > But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends if it has > the same time-search margin. Would have thought it does. Unless Jim's > timing is out.....? > > Just a thought. WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it certainly > doesn't need to be assymetric in its search. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> OK Andy, >> >> Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am >> currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. >> >> Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the >> rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say >> that is OK. >> >> I will try again tomorrow. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >> >>> may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not >>> B...G. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> You wrote :- >>>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>> >>>> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >>>> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >>>> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >>>> in the manual. >>>> >>>> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >>>> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >>>> that of any help to me? >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >>>> >>>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>> >>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>> >>>>>> LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>>> >>>>>>> LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any >>>>>>> JT4A replies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f4533483d159047db476a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, Gary,
what frequency Tol setting do you have?=A0=A0 I see Jim's freq re= ading is -77Hz, so if you have Tol set to 50Hz, for example, it'll mis= s Jim's signals.=A0
=A0
It defaults to 400Hz at startup, so a lower value will have to have= been set somehow.
2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
Ah...
I wonder.
=A0
Jim's DT setting for your sigs =A0is around +2 seconds.=A0=A0 Whi= ch means in the opposite direction it would be -2s.=A0=A0 This is a bit ma= rginal.=A0=A0 The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I t= hink the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s=A0nega= tive and up to 6s positive to allow for the=A0EME delay.
=A0
But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends= if it has the same time-search margin.=A0 Would have thought it does.=A0= =A0 Unless Jim's timing is out.....?
=A0
Just a thought.=A0=A0 WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it= certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
OK Andy,=20

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am cur= rently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.

Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set= for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003.= I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Thanks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.










--001485f4533483d159047db476a1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG054-a374b4b409d3d1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG101-a374b4b409d3d1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULy1-0003ca-Lv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULy1-0003cR-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULxy-0001yD-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UCBV1d0030xGWP85AFDtHY; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:13:53 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UFDp1d00F2DDHkk3YFDqzJ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:13:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today)= on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO quali= ty. Jay =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW 502= .6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most nigh= ts when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6= BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I ha= d first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive mor= e EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes re= ceiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather= good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM= 26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Will start listening for you about 22= 00Z (earliest=20 I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear you= r signal=20 QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite startin= g about 2100z=20 I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hea= r u and=20 Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal= last night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions=20 must have been very good last night as I had first time reception= =20 of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations= more often=20  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitati= ons due to=20 strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your= cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curi= ous=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alrea= dy=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last= night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if,= using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW= . Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my kn= owledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and a= normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the follow= ing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,=20 /10.
 <= /DIV>
Best DX: 2010-= 01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best = ;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b5e4b4626a822c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b4626a822c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:23:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSwzb-0002r0-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSwzb-0002qr-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from f251.mail.ru ([217.69.128.176]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSwzZ-0006l7-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from mail by f251.mail.ru with local id 1NSwzS-0003vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 Received: from [79.98.8.13] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [79.98.8.13] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> X-Mru-Data: 1328:1:1:70:70:0 In-Reply-To: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?LF=3A_500_khz_last_night?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, Last night I observed very good propagation. DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. Also for the first time I saw a considerable quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5ef74b53c9c33e0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 391273800009E; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWhUl-0004Vk-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWhUl-0004Vb-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWhUj-0002xL-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so2285415pzk.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MD+ieFzYs5UCtd17jhbs2PZo1GbT/Y6i52BlONCrjys=; b=P4M8kWxzNWZjOXiJrOmKBBhHBYs82ZN8Z+CrbJqrIMawmDiojvyglwwrvYwA4UMMEu 1k6oI31FDuiK327a1/ZW9rsZzToeIKyTGNEChFwXq8RtJyBd3EHJOB53VRI70jlJSEyq Wqg0BcS5nZkWnSOUsauUitbFjN6po7HD2/L1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v+Ld3ygawN+v09+0VwVMDV9mpxswOSSehjuBkLQWIWqdDDZkx5rcHDy4YbPFhSn76s Wko5bJ1MDOjd1LsdrmHXOaVEfICdgiDVHRuovezwNNC4ZHHb3p7TQUSZWdZktxNXAqtJ aa1IZCyZj1xnyoCX1AimYoy/T1eYzEfSNoaQQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.45.10 with SMTP id s10mr3763394was.76.1263782246508; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001171837t56b8c436md01ded8ce5d31c42@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 17-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b53c9c277c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren ,LF > nice captrure XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 17-01.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5c14b5b3217c2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:30:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b5b3217c2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:30:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjnD-0006rd-H9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjnD-0006rU-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjnB-0006vO-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de (fwd00.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYjn5-0006qy-M1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:55 +0100 Received: from e7010 (TvZLHOZSQhyorAeO2oZTAiChLMG1tc9maxH62Tl7sayytJYYBgIxt7CVLoji1BIgGW@[84.147.214.196]) by fwd00.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYjmr-2801a40; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: TvZLHOZSQhyorAeO2oZTAiChLMG1tc9maxH62Tl7sayytJYYBgIxt7CVLoji1BIgGW X-TOI-MSGID: 6c0af028-ca38-4d7c-8ab8-ce74237be68f X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W= ERP, QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very= Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=3D6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=3D6BX6 as am= plifier, xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state= amplifier.=20 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG is=20 now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, QRG 505,093KH= z, dial=20 503,6KHz.
Last week I built a xmtr mixer with= parts from the=20 VOM-junkbox ( Very Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=3D6AJ8 oscillator and mixer,= EF80=3D6BX6=20 as amplifier,
xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Fo= llowed by the=20 regular solid state amplifier. 
73   Walter  DI2AG /= =20 DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-8bf34b3f2b6cf4; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:18:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD09A380011D3; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR1xO-0003nB-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR1xO-0003n2-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR1xN-0000K6-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o02BFFxA025203 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:15:15 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c0d.69fc0a6e (43900) for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229143167.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.143.167]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC065-ab7c4b3f2ab923c; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <877BD8F9B61E428DB8657A0FCF523AED@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:15:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: European beaconing Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA8BA5.3797CB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b3f2b4f68f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, very nice signals around 136.32 last night, thanks to Ossi, Mike, Uwe,= Henny and Gerhard. It's a pleasure to see the screen come alive!=20 Best wishes for 2010 to everyone in the group, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
very nice signals around 136.32= last night,=20 thanks to Ossi, Mike, Uwe, Henny and Gerhard. It's a pleasure to see the screen come alive!
 
Best wishes for 2010 to everyone in= the=20 group,
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4B62070000B4 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:56:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100101145640308.4B62070000B4@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2661873FD9224C9AABD301CD2B9F18C2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:56:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b3e0d7e6383 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency ,= S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the= port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I seem to  have a  German= station playing=20 music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite  regular flutter=   ,=20 may  be 2  stns on the  same freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
=

Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline= is now on=20 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in=20 Essex.
 
Signal RS 57-9= here in=20 North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL=20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a914b577aee3d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA101-a914b577aee3d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiRZ-0000GG-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiRZ-0000G7-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXiRX-00019R-Im for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from COL122-W16 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:50:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:18 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 21:50:19.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F09C5D0:01CA9A1A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_" Subject: LF: G3XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.= 2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO0= 2 0

Congr= atulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =3D --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.223]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC083-a98d4b61f1692ae; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 690AF3800016B; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaapO-0003Ut-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaapN-0003Uk-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaapL-00022l-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:57 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB98051C008 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB68631E702 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:16:42 +0100 Thread-Index: AQHKoFcP5eW6E0r7kUySm3FRkWyd1A== Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345 Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b61f1671db6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz. Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz.

Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD.

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.214]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b5f366439b; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:37:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F0A938000203; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZqGJ-0000bt-Cd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZqGI-0000bk-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from mx74.mail.ru ([94.100.176.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZqGG-0002yQ-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=57328 helo=EFREMOV) by mx74.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZqG9-000IMY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:35:29 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:34:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64b5f366127e4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG012-a154b425ad5237; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG057-a154b425ad5237; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:17:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuHl-0001zV-IX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuHl-0001zM-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuHj-0000ts-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NRuHh-0003os-Uh; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:16:17 +0100 Received: from p57af1ee3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.30.227]:1199 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NRuHh-0007Sm-42; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:16:17 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:16:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqNeeSkTMHtxlaPTvGjdmNQI5M1kAACGoaw X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Report from DK6NI for PA3FNY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA8D8B.8976DF40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA8D8B.8976DF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von victor13@online.nl Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 21:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hello Victor, copying your signal audible and clear in JN59LN: My congrads to your first transmission on 500 kc!!!! vy 73, good luck and mni dx on 500 kc =20 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Report: PA3FNY Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 Aan: blacksheep Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z= I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. 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X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec607a2674047daca143 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b5855f11c2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec607a2674047daca143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik, This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP la= st night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night= . My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large err= or margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW= ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That will also have some effect on the relative levels. BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, > > the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af > data is available. > I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web > site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least 2= of > the 3 calls in the same time slot: > I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1= hop > ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. > > * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger= ) > 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of= 8dB > between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW= =3D > 7dB) > > * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of An= dy) > 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy > would run "only" 30mW ERP ? > But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as > well ... > > * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy= ) > Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) > > All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: > > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > 73 > > * Eddie* G3ZJO > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org] > *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED in= formace. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec607a2674047daca143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running= with 50mW ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as= well for last night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements= done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of= effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the regi= on of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estima= te with quite large error margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BM= U still believes the 1mW ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any furt= her improvements since Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago.

What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That wi= ll also have some effect on the relative levels.

BTW, Dom Baines M1= KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Eng= ineering Handbook (1948)
stated the maximum working distance for 1=A0kW 500kHz over salt water was= 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then!

73s
Roger= G3XBM




2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe= <rik.= strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web si= te is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied=A0 at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor= of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor= of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )

All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
=A0
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
=A0
73
=A0
 Eddie G3ZJO
=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
=A0
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
=A0

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--0015174bec607a2674047daca143-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-8bee4b4a1f0c309; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:40:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 343F938000047; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU2gd-0003yV-C7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU2gc-0003yM-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU2ga-0000AH-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:50 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100110183343.SGSG17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:43 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU2be-0007Xh-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:43 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSI2w7V0oc15S3Qo225FAoj/N5Lg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=2mUFhwNqzJQA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=OiQawdtgaccNZheUQokA:9 a=HTl06DLUKyM5YZfpKVUA:7 a=C1YrGwgDrixO77fP2C6Psppn_CMA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=G3dQBCxLzhpWgqxEyn4A:9 a=h_ERAkuwbmRxQJVrXPwA:7 a=ZSXlzESiJLnISvkTJ3tSdMk0EXEA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4a1f0a4169 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then= is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Ex= pected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?<= /o:p>

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining &nb= sp;8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capabi= lity as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor= for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.85]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-86614b3fa7be157; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:08:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A399D380003A6; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAFv-0006W2-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAFu-0006Vr-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:22 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAFs-0002nZ-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:22 +0000 Received: from COL122-W28 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:07:12 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 20:07:12.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C397630:01CA8BE7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_" Subject: LF: 137kHz activity X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554b3fa7b74e2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF OMs! There is a good activity on 137kHz this evening. I just see: 137.730 DFCW3 ... M0BMU and DF6NM 137.710 QRSS3 ... EW6GB and RA3YO 137.703 QRSS10 ... RU6LA Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF OMs!
There is a good activity on 137kHz this evening. I just= see:
137.730 DFCW3 ... M0BMU and DF6NM
137.710 QRSS3 ... EW6GB and= RA3YO
137.703 QRSS10 ... RU6LA

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn= =ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-8be74b60c3d62fe; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A10743800013D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGkJ-0007Yx-TL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGkJ-0007Yo-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGkF-00086P-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from [94.75.152.175] (port=49898 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaGk8-000E0y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:52:12 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60C395.10608@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:52:05 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> <4B60BDF0.4080100@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: sdr pa grabber Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010507010103060605040506" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b60c3d46522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010507010103060605040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: > Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? > G .. and 137.420-137800 Dmitry > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dmitry" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM > To: > Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > >> Hi LF >> >> PA grabber work! >> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> >> > > > > --------------010507010103060605040506 Content-Type: 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:24 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYML0-0007Lh-Vc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:24 +0000 Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ybtu1d0061c6gX857gSGxA; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:16 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YgSf1d00N2DDHkk3jgSfmU; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:41 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca9b7f$679af1c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b59d21b045a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR tonight and tomorrow night on 510 kHz dial USB. We appreciate the continued monitoring by a number of station during evenings this week. At QSB peaks the signals have been quite strong at distances of 3000+ miles suggesting even much more distant receptions are possible. We're hoping additional stations will have a chance to monitor this weekend. All reports, no matter the distance, are always appreciated. They can be sent direct or entered automatically as 'spots' in the WSPR.net database. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-86054b41b2c51b6; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:20:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F2BE38003697; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 04:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRj29-0006wB-PJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRj27-0006w2-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:28 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRj21-0004kQ-U7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAKlAQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPgbEXoIigg4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,497,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="415588051" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 09:14:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:14:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b41b2216d65 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set= up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling= away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base on= ce a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW= and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagati= on and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave= plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conv= ersational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-dist= ance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs= wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us= trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot under= stand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allo= cation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is fantastic news for the Applia= nce Operator.=20 Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200= of them=20 growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data= base once=20 a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular= .
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by= Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again= using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 10:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more th= an 100 at=20 a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a=20 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation= and station=20 performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plent= y of room=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational= modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea=20 to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if=20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon= on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is ca= using QRM=20 to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA statio= ns. I=20 cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a= narrow=20 band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles sw= amped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?=
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.22]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-86034b65427d209; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:42:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C01A3800015E; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVN3-0007GH-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVN2-0007G8-Uh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVMz-0005JU-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX3005ZBS4SF5@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:41:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:41:14 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <213FCF9D4C6E437588728BC208F7DFF6@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 31-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7BlbxddSCDJ9NUk6KTpN8g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164b65427b1843 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_7BlbxddSCDJ9NUk6KTpN8g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w)" --Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 31-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
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Henny cpm
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I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA9F96.FBF9BFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gary

 

Just got two de= codes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied= with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

The information= transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments &= Andy for answering Rik's query.

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ= call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further= afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can re= duce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the mome= nt so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WG= T - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guarante= ed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven= .be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW= would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A= produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dia= l frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA9F96.FBF9BFC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9bc4b56f3821d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:14:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME058-9bc4b56f3821d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:13:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZQZ-0006M2-6q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZQY-0006Lt-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:50 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXZQV-0005LT-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:50 +0000 Received: from COL122-W4 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:12:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:12:41 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 12:12:40.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD0B9340:01CA99C9] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_" Subject: RE: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger! I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some days ago.=20 So... I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I moved them on my portable= QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE aerial for 500kHz there= . I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It will be receiving contin= uously some days and nights. I have got Internet line from my cottage to= my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is written in WSPR window ther= e. It will be interesting test, I think. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 =20 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the= night All, I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.=20 If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England please lea= ve your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XB= M around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger!
I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some= days ago.
So...
I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I mov= ed them on my portable QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE= aerial for 500kHz there. I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It= will be receiving continuously some days and nights. I have got Internet= line from my cottage to my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is wri= tten in WSPR window there.
It will be interesting test, I think.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR stations in centra= l Europe - please listen through the night

All,

I'm going to= leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
=
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=
Hi Klaus,
 
Yes= I'm using=20 V2
How= ever:
 
1001= 09=20 1456   9 -22  2.4   0.503919  LA3/O28WJJ= =20 10          -3  = ; =20 13    0
100109 1500   7 -24  1.6 = ; =20 0.503921  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     1    0
100109 1502 &= nbsp; 6=20 -25  1.8   0.503919  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 3    0
100109 1506  13 -18  1.7  = ;=20 0.503918  <...> JO28WJ 10     &nbs= p; =20 -1     1    0
100109 1508 = 17=20 -14  1.7   0.503916  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1510 = 16=20 -16  1.8   0.503915  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
100109 1512  11 -20  1.8  = ;=20 0.503915  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1516 = 14=20 -16  1.7   0.503896  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     6    0
100109 1518 = 15=20 -15  1.8   0.503895  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
1001= 09 1520  15=20 -15  1.7   0.503896  LA3EQ/M=20 10           &n= bsp; =20 1     1    0
100109 1522 = 11=20 -19  1.8   0.503898  <LA3EQ/M> JO28WJ=20 10     1     1  &nbs= p;=20 0
 
The question I=20 suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the=20 transmissions,
WSPR= on a PC,=20 or something homebrew for /M use?
 
73,=
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
&nb= sp;
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9150.2B6F3500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.215]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-86044b3f8194229; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:25:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24D3338000EC5; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7fA-0004wZ-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7fA-0004wP-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7f9-0001yR-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from COL122-W25 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:21:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 17:21:09.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[F97A3F70:01CA8BCF] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74b3f80c030ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal once more! Sorry, my information was not correct. Your strong QRSS3 signal was on 137= .700kHz. The station, I just see it on 137.697, is G3XDV in QRSS10 mode.= FB signal as well. =20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: bvgbob@hotmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100 Subject: RE: LF: Re: RU6LA Hello Mal! I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is very good, "O".= =20 HNY to you! Lubos, OK2BVG ***************** From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA =20 Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG,=20 JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. = =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal once more!
Sorry, my information was not correct. Your strong= QRSS3 signal was on 137.700kHz. The station, I just see it on 137.697, is= G3XDV in QRSS10 mode. FB signal as well.    
73!
Lubos,= OK2BVG
From: bvgbob@hotmail.com
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100
Subject:= RE: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hello Mal!
I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is= very good, "O".
HNY to you!

Lubos, OK2BVG

*************= ****

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000
S= ubject: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Orig= inal Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject= : LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on= =20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG,= =20 JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v= =E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-861d4b5cc0d036e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:51:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1BC5380000A0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZALW-00020l-Jr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZALW-00020c-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZALV-0002yV-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6129F7B8047 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60531E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D2A0218056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5cc0cd5595 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kHz. MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while, but =20 only for short time. I will let the software run for some time and let you know is =20 something meaningfull comes out. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW > > TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! > > G .. > > From: Graham > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the =20 > same picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how =20 > small the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the =20 > software accepted the file .. signal is starting to show in =20 > Holland .. so may be you will get a decode soon ? > > tnx G > > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Hello Graham, LF! > There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ________________________________ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? > > download link :- > > http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm > > G .. > > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Hello Graham, LF! > I saw your signal on 503kHz. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ________________________________ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 > Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 > > Set dial 501.500 : USB > Audio set 1500 Hz > Mode PSK63F Digital sstv > > Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! > > Reports ? > > Tnx - Graham > G0NBD > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD? Dal=C5= =A1=C3=AD =20 > informace. > > > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3= =BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD =20 > informace. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-861e4b55bff61e3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:21:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B419A38000258; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXEwT-0001bO-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXEwT-0001bF-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXEwQ-0002JG-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2498065pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:20:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k6m50oGfbiXjgwvfAw09N3ZqWH3O4GZ34YKqdQNmt/U=; b=v2uRlGIaxkx5Ys5F+zCGXZ6UfK28VRzRhjA5/sqh0z1LLbOFH0LZein9z210xPeCMj VviYHiOJg8Qt7ohe4Y7lnBoem30LbKQ+r3iJYWSKd1guNouy0/9wV7VzGd5FyjVkg+xA 9QJxHYlIzdK0G7Zq/bQEHaUn9aPKCvtb289dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hsU1obkiWXtkNiT5CXZz5iz7ozNCM8A3Yno5vncALdMra07CprCTpmjiu9ovzYmly3 iLjDuoZhfV1w8Tr0agWvL9BbD+hmmwno7sxiLw25iMZOkRKxxEDqReepG3ukrdJR7Yd5 B1yOmpBHpDII5BpmiIAcJXwTpqzFKo/VrP2FY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.100.13 with SMTP id c13mr5202886wam.65.1263910814068; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:20:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:20:13 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001190620p563ec40vc4c6e7170fde1760@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b55bff43dee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, WE2XGR/6 is running at least 10dB more ERP than WE2XGR/3. The limit for WE2XGR stations is 200 W ERP, and WE2XGR/6 (Bob W2ZM) actually attains this when he runs full power though I believe that Bob only runs about half that power on WSPR. FYI WE2XGR/6 has been copied on ssb by Finbar - they even had a QSO with Bob on ssb and Finbar using cw. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > I just had a look at the www.wspr.net database and noticed impressive SN= R > values on the WE2XGR signals in Europe. > To my experience -12 to =A0-15 dB is the limit for an audible signal (CW > copy), -3dB should be OK for SSB ! > I am just a bit fussed why /3 is relatively weak (on average -10dB on /6= , > while its ERP is 3dB more). > Unless the given values are TX output power instead of ERP (in that case= i > can also stop wondering how to get 200W ERP without setting things on fi= re > ;-) - unless you have a really BIG antenna). > > 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T > > > 2010-01-19 07:30 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511499 =A0 -3 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx 5464 =A0 49 > 2010-01-19 03:30 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511500 =A0 -4 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr 5630 =A0 51 > 2010-01-19 01:22 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511499 =A0 -4 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp 6259 =A0 47 > 2010-01-19 05:58 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511501 =A0 -5 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 OR7T =A0 JO20ix > =A0 5977 =A0 51 > 2010-01-19 05:54 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511501 =A0 -10 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 10= 0 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti 5506 =A0 52 > > 2010-01-19 03:46 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511550 =A0 -10 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx =A05282 =A0 49 > 2010-01-19 03:36 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -11 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr =A05437 =A0 52 > 2010-01-19 03:46 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -11 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti =A05308 =A0 53 > 2010-01-19 03:18 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511550 =A0 -12 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp =A06085 =A0 48 > 2010-01-19 03:58 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -15 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 OR7T > JO20ix 5786 =A0 51 > > 2010-01-19 03:06 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -14 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx =A05149 =A0 50 > 2010-01-19 02:56 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511452 =A0 -17 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti =A05173 =A0 54 > 2010-01-19 01:58 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -19 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp =A0 5953 =A0 48 > 2010-01-19 05:28 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511452 =A0 -21 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 OR7T > JO20ix =A05652 =A0 52 > 2010-01-19 03:50 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -22 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr =A05302 =A0 53 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5efe4b3f7872196; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:46:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7985D38001436; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR71e-0004P0-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR71e-0004Or-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR71b-0006o2-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F257B8047 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D2731E702 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:37:57 +0100 Thread-Topic: 500kHz: SM6BGX Thread-Index: AQHKi8pCADPP6Vqe5ECsUloU8+OYQQ== Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500kHz: SM6BGX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b3f773617c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good copy of SM6BGX (JO67IB) on 501.418kHz at 16:30 UTC Both QRSS (solid O) as plain CW (529 QSB) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good copy of SM6BGX (JO67IB) on 501.418kHz at 16:30 UTC

Both QRSS (solid O) as plain CW (529 QSB)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

 

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a034b5f60cd2a9; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG035-a034b5f60cd2a9; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZt5k-0000yk-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZt5k-0000yb-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZt5i-000477-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=2678 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZt5a-000M0g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:36:46 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002701ca9ecf$a786d210$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <131be.6b6fe735.3890a676@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:36:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks, Nicolas! I'm surprised, but the beacon can be seen on the grabber Sergey RA9CUA: http://beta.urtc.ru/~RA9CUA 1450 km! 73 Andrey OK Andrey, i wait your beacon. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP Dans un e-mail daté du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a écrit : Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b4b0c2f77; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:31:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6EDAB38000201; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUITc-000141-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUITb-00013s-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUITZ-0005H1-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:27 +0000 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UBC71d0021ZXKqc5CBWLYb; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:20 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UBWV1d0032DDHkk3hBWVgi; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:29 +0000 Message-ID: <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:30:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b4b0c2d0892 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal last= night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). C= onditions must=20 have been very good last night as I had first time reception of G= 4JNT. I=20 might have been able to receive more EU stations more often  but= the=20 combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitations due to strong= local WSPR=20 signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your cw= signal on any=20 night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious abou= t the=20 details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it -= if so I=20 missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alb= ert
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last nigh= t

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the= night of 10/11=20 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my= current=20 setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:= 42=20 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge ju= st enough=20 for a  CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth= suited for=20 this mode. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA= 3USG,=20 KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01-1= 1, 03:20 UTC,=20 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best of= both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  <= /DIV>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-5f64b4b7fd431e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG101-5f64b4b7fd431e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQBE-0005G4-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQBE-0005Fv-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQBB-0000V5-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so688114fga.10 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lNYvZtD6NRWSC4nnvULDZUOqHJ456uHLx0/ynVDlQQw=; b=rZAqRwSMqivWEM//S9fydKwEpnZFabxrFd1y6jw0AwszNgagq8Y1lXapwC/3tyGq0u Yvds+xe5HAVs5oW8E8jkYDzPPI5HEqQM+6WfFxR0k9CuvsbKxGVrxNK0Cdg1G4PlAhMJ C3/W7gczpkz6YGonVlhClupybj8oPOMbb6e7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KvsZtUA8NkCCcFdSaD1y1HV9LDkp83g2qWdahjRT3JNzrofPKrcZUmeKNO+6kHyL8v KIpEilcLlPA2ttjoSPNJNHXrlIoX7CvQY0mmzQRj/tEDc07k6L1yQ15wdIXnkQX6gjkw XHyp1fGrUxJSdXoX6YHfS5pNZHmlUX+En2vbM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.84 with SMTP id f20mr545354hbh.185.1263239036178; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power *per-se*. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/11 Rik Strobbe > I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent > last night: > PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in > Texas: > > 2010-01-11 03:20 PA0A 0.503899 -27 0 JO33de 5 KL1X/5 > EM26ar 7546 302 > > Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 > (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X > (7066km). > Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km > range. > > TA crossings west to east: > WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km) > WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km) > > TA crossings east to west: > PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km) > M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km) > SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km) > G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km) > > Also: > There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, > a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible. > Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots) > > Another remarkable thing: > Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of > WD2XSH/17 (5598km) > Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote: > > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X BP51ip > 7066 347 > > > PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > > Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > > 73 > > Laurence KL 1 X > (remote ops) > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. 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All=A0designs & ideas=A0for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted= :-)
I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible.
=A0
Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope.=A0=A0=A0 There's an arti= cle in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in= parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power= per-se.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/11 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excell= ent last night:
PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but= also by KL1X/5 in Texas:

2010-01-11 03:20=A0=A0 PA0A=A0=A0 0.50389= 9=A0=A0 -27=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 JO33de=A0=A0 5=A0=A0 KL1X/5=A0=A0 EM26ar=A0=A0= 7546=A0=A0 302

Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold= for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze= for PA0A-KL1X (7066km).
Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and= 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range.

TA crossings west to east:
WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (bes= t DX DL4RAJ =3D 7378km)
WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL= 4RAJ =3D 6251km)

TA crossings east to west:
PA0A was copied by= 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 =3D 7546km)
M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG =3D 5792km)
SM6BHZ was= copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD =3D 5935km)
G4JNT was copied by 1= American (best DX W1VD =3D 5437km)

Also:
There were 23 spots of= PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO wou= ld have been possible.
Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots)

Another remarkable= thing:
Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only&= quot; 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km)
Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt)
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54=A0=A0 PA0A=A0=A0 0.503899=A0=A0= -25=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 JO33de=A0=A0 5=A0=A0 KL1X=A0=A0 BP51ip=A0=A0 7066=A0=A0= 347
=A0
=A0
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
=A0
Really awfu= l night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
=A0
73
=A0
Laurence KL 1 X
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--001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-8be44b55950b242; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:18:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A95AA380000B0; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXC5k-0000kg-PA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXC5k-0000kX-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXC5k-0004no-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 16904 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2010 11:17:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263899862; bh=EGt9LxTJnZSKm52YUHY00lyFZwOyyKRdWBjw2h4IIPY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NYd9r5FBNxLju7YOWfrRjPZAt+BjR+zcxp3bbHsvpkSY4IuapD8eFIj7+7aKiKuIu2RV3xoFDYIjMAxcv9WIwA3siEgNdanYREXCXGne5tXCTfAbmJzf1r7wjpnN+r002hCigSagekAoX4fqul115cYw1cRaWVWRXb8W1fWPStk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o0u81LXpmQN5PCIck3bdsIeVYIOMXZ0snDcPz+iCYhBTM8ZZ1HG2BsqjWFMpk0x2eWBN4XIhpIK1HhE62xFE9wK1m7Im/b20zAmFOHAmNxwiGp2pmOkhBb2BPKFxQcEkEpXCp6HqTOrtk8+71RhF2f120cYzyNVvi3vUanmElHY=; Message-ID: <541170.16770.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CZdPN84VM1ngvZ6lSqxOwztElKyVbkFvfqRrqjPf2umZEXwwjGUei_mnFq8a2fik5upu8yD3sFwVAx5ugbqJ8fiJGYsfr_eRtLV6jnerFe7D3UwBbsjKN1XfSi0vE2Ut5UDGfweFqkPZlZlJSSAZVF7AZ3CiwpZLVWhC3bAheicEpxKYjfpql4xBzIh3sDpzkHV7gIMBc4nUoYgdVRsj10KWkeI9hTCJ.O2A_1U_JB7A2uhnklRGWVTjFRm7qduOY9GQ1YmlNWlXmTBxT2AZ Received: from [86.130.67.196] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:17:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz Webradio Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-380039571-1263899862=:16770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b5595092f9c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Kees =A0 Last time=A0I looked they had 60m not 600m but now they have MF. That Iris= h harmonic shows up clearly on it.... some power where it shouldn't be ..e= h? =A0 I have used the 80m display to monitor a 20milliWatt beacon=A0from a singl= e=A0 2n3819 fet tx. It gave an interesting insight on 80m propogation betw= een here and there. Plus one or two reports from stations that had only RX= ed me via the Twente SDR. =A0 More people look at the Twentw SDR than look at the V/MF grabbers so it co= uld be good. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, kees nijdam wrote: From: kees nijdam Subject: LF: 500 kHz Webradio To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 22:27 UT Twente has now also 500 kHz, and it works. http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ 73, Kees, PE5T =20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Kees
 
Last time I looked they had 60m not 600m but now they have MF.= That Irish harmonic shows up clearly on it.... some power where it should= n't be ..eh?
 
I have used the 80m display to monitor a 20milliWatt beacon from= a single  2n3819 fet tx. It gave an interesting insight on 80m propo= gation between here and there. Plus one or two reports from stations that= had only RXed me via the Twente SDR.
 
More people look at the Twentw SDR than look at the V/MF gr= abbers so it could be good.
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, kees nijdam <cl= nijdam@chello.nl> wrote:

From: kees nijdam <clnijdam@chello.nl>Subject: LF: 500 kHz Webradio
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 22:27

UT Twente has now also 500 kHz, and it works.
http://we= bsdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/


73,

Kees, PE5T


=20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b48c99830d; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:23:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19654380000D0; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfwp-0008KB-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfwp-0008K2-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTfwm-0000Fr-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:02 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAFNYSEtcHEyX/2dsb2JhbACCFYtAggPFAoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,248,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="425470199" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.76.151]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jan 2010 18:21:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:21:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b48c9976324 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dead End mode The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are= strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KKorn42@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? OK, Lee, 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. Or are we lured into a dead end ..... 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dead End mode<= /DIV>
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or= CW=20 MODE.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09,= 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
 
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
 
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b5c656c1d7; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A248F380000A0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4GK-0006l3-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4GK-0006kt-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:28 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4GH-00008r-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:27 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so1469981pzk.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:20:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EFKRvSKG8/Silor3d/1EvQRuniL1UTl8gMXgsLaXN/I=; b=niap6oLPSRaOwawNxuSxO0yH8IXJxSoZRi3laNlOx7kvniQ2dEXdCVqKaht60TAqBv IwL/d5VskI/eH7L2t+IlqM/ziwNwSZNU/bRK6UtgJcX9C0rbESsn20qiLMw7pkcjSqUW IcIvoZxlE7IzsMDvfS98HoGb3WeAdxyAPyYS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VhY2S1R+FjW1wkO2y0m27zHWIoBi5DzOVnEBUMNh/QhIwcd50CeuuYC9OC0kc/PEMZ ri5NbrSgGNrLgelS89gr1FdC7bbN73xoJdqUEAL5s/ODgABlqhEBN/s0p30tlSJTBxhd 3ZGKe3WyUfNr1dUC+o1sezi+NPXMnSQFcMrY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.132.8 with SMTP id j8mr3661226wan.215.1264346417183; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:20:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001240720j5ced7c92j490f0c3962250b9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5c656a2fc7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture, WD2XGJ was back at full power (QRO). -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:36 AM, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Warren,LF, > Nice capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.205]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b52d4c7197; 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Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5E7BB18056; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from 238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.63.238]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.63.238 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4b52d4c57cb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but with little European audience. An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-86654b3e6c8a31e; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2174438002990; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQpCj-0002R4-JE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQpCj-0002Qv-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQpCh-00033R-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so8774573bwz.4 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3qlJcoCkO+5+Ssp9x/aoPdbU36iYhgjU+wFei46FgPo=; b=ALu9JcN/bn6Kv02hLE5JShswsG6+MQYROQaKhg24UEHJpesPF7zhb8nDhJj8I2R4JR i7kwwA+4yHqxsSB4dSerZlU0BzXIZz+lMFqf9w6qftpgbSKLBXf1m+HTngI6NScW3l0A 0mA4BkGFIpvnxTyhvgYDvsNpuXauNbX2LsYrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jwmCGh1uAKVyFSYwV0O5UyW0BOcm/QXFyZ7kHGcMVEAKrOVDQi8OSc4mDew4UMEai1 DnIhmUjlqvOEWzWpdtduzjDOGUMsCiEzI/m5VaX/Cpy0A7yqx2L+N5t7WWhCq07UmC1e Hl5aVW/cUoBSUBR+I2g7nIB9x/PcpNx8JqXA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.69 with SMTP id 5mr4718542bky.83.1262381913349; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:38:33 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001011338x54ad6c0ex87084559e113e75f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon WSPR parameters changed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924b3e6bad5773 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very strong here in East Cambs Jim (+8/+9dB S/N). 73s and happy NY to all Roger G3XBM 2010/1/1 James Moritz > Dear LF Group, > > Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports very > welcome > > I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's changes, > and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this mode. > > Happy new year to all on the LF reflector, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very strong here in East Cambs Jim (+8/+9dB S/N).

73s and happy NY= to all

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/1 Jame= s Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Dear LF Group,<= br>
Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports= very welcome

I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's change= s, and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this= mode.

Happy new year to all on the LF reflector,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b4f87233bc; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9266838000158; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002cI-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002c9-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWrO-0007gi-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81836 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xs7BgUBhuwfxwfoLHu5PWyIim7PrAcvv4vwKwFJVw5Ff4kpNR8KWOyHu+CzP62P2uwNc3Yb8GxGjxeaSWUtIBs2mOBL9FEsTRq8QzWBFLB5d7BnIJz/38LHnZaOyuaESkI9Pbg6o8QrBdcF413AdC8ZVEZIhC6KChoe0YOcPVo0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: J3rLDRMVM1ltJLhSzq2aKnFsyP7PqcA4IyDos_T5xN5zI3RsUYWEA8DRtUg5wS7qkNrCESs9sE7DSz2b3U2CdO4Et.JF9cbof5qbGnNYi8vchvcmoLX30N2snDGyf8SXnIoIjWXphb9OGtPZXQ1syvk1.1uka3SlBqf_mMIOT_ZYqbHXufSsjJShOSbihXByxPlZw0pjM.LV3UaScRt1qfXylaMKWjOlAN6BMHjh7M3OTsuxIxdlVg4eym0ZLDb9_SASgL2GbiSRscDsrZMWxg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6B19E6A235CD4B6387D6C9F1DEDB7025@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b4f87205b8a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, Roger, LF Group, In my transverter design, I have added a "ref out" socket to the IC718 driving transceiver to make the 32MHz reference oscillator available externally. This is divided to 4MHz for use as the LO in the transverter mixer. The overall frequency stability is thus that of the reference in the IC718, which has the TCXO option, so frequency is quite accurate, within about 0.1Hz at 500k last time I checked, and drift during operation rather less than that. BTW, I also have an FT-817 - I don't think they have done it on the cheap... the 22.625MHz is the actual frequency reference, driving LO and BFO DDSs via various multipliers and also providing the 2nd LO signal, but I think the 22.7785 is a VCXO which is modulated by the TX audio and then tripled to obtain NBFM at the 1st IF frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > Yes, I did :-) > > The FT817 block diagram shows two oscillators in the chain a master at > 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked out > straightaway. They done it on the cheap :-( > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-8bf34b50ebd04a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:27:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D9A8838000057; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVucY-0000V8-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVucY-0000Uz-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVucX-0007EY-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222615.UUCT27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:15 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVucQ-0000LN-VB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:15 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:12 -0000 Message-ID: <038b01ca9631$be7ae750$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzwAADU+mA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=1MLPTJVkG5FIBiRbJcQA:7 a=hzCHH16iXetkPX6sy6t1mgj9nrUA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=AKDBPuvKuKPtkC7H:21 a=G_zv6QACyCo8TUvC:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b50ebce279e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At G7NKS, the biggest culprit for RFI is the plasma screen in the loun= ge! The XYL is watching the "Witless Silence" and Jonathan Woss and it cau= ses havoc from LF to 20m. It's an old (2001) NEC display (no tuner) and= class A for RFI=20 Jim G7NKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 15 January 2010 22:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5f014b65e326150; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:08:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75D0A38000082; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbg3e-0000Fz-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbg3d-0000Fq-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:09 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbg3b-0001lM-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:09 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0VK60ne026936 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.c9e.620d9932 (34982) for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229228199.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.228.199]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b65e29d115; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b65e3257200 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audiostream a few minutes before 20 UT= : {10}Test transpission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=D8 watts ERP 2=D8=D8 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT There was also a weaker PSK31 signal a few Hz up for a short while.=20 Best 73, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: LF Group (RSGB)=20 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 LF,=20 I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be= 1000 Hz. Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any= replies/calls in that mode. The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will var= y. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Gary,
 
decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audio= stream a few=20 minutes before 20 UT:
 
{10}Test=20 transpission from G4WGT
Locator IO83qo
Tx RF 5=D8 watts
ERP 2=D8=D8 mW
Mode and station control by SpecLab
Test de G4WGT
 
There was also a weaker PSK31 si= gnal a few Hz=20 up for a short while.
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 201= 0 6:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08

LF,=20

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.<= /DIV>

I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offse= t will be=20 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I= say it)=20 any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx wil= l=20 vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b62ce0c212; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:01:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DB8538000180; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NapW4-0006qj-1z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:00:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NapW3-0006qa-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:59 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NapW0-0008HB-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:59 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 275E21C00091 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1A8651C00092 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.76]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CCAF91C00091 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129115949838.CCAF91C00091@mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9999B72886304F8D8C654E8B28D3178A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> In-Reply-To: <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b62ce0b4d75 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Dex That's some attenuation hihi .. what is the tx Ae ? 73 -Graham . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:35 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly > > Graham wrote: >> Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you >> can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! >> 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 W4DEX EM95tg >> 6140 284 >> >> Tnx for the decode >> Graham >> G0NBD >> >> > > QSL Graham! Received thorough a 20 db attenuator in line with a 500 KHz > TX antenna connected to a FT-817 with it's internal attenuator selected. > > Dex, W4DEX > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5ee54b6498aa1e6; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:38:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6D0338000134; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbK3f-0004BH-UY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbK3f-0004B8-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from n7c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbK3e-0003Cd-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.182] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 891400.36201.bm@omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14292 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 20:36:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264883792; bh=UBXEoj0KwUIQq7wlLfrSbGEF0ptwjjHQnyx4R1mP2zg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rV7dqP79EY2l307vZB8gPRQhp+fzgcl/fKe767+773CAMEYAoxIPQkyKPvdTXYTTFeUKhXJI0fLM1RnjMRzaGMgllmjwE5Qy3bmh1kJ8SvnXSgdHxiWGHN/N0xvcSvUSl3apuizglMDAYbIjRz0e9Ro9O81cZGrM6jQkQKT/RRI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4CgoI5tdRmAHziX03674cU7zGUWOdElKydbvkQvBLAY4mSFCruMY6134IuCo7hlNtloUv+MgxsDFO4/SO68ihLsaUNKn6p9OGBPVfbiIbjxILxmIqGHgSNCzPI6cWHYM31Pn0GiFzVXQJPWwVeMCa/hD+zsFKhJXUxRm3DujZJ8=; Message-ID: <934244.12961.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _mW24LQVM1k6Pv3a.vUrpi8Ak8P886GIClkAjyLjkKZ.IaTlWNLh1xfm6ESgtL.E5bpqSal.1clS3pNw5txuHhbSLnBMGjFd8vD905_6bGHXZQ1lIpo17J2OIYB.RTOgFYJ0KZ37EWa820T6kDxQOkLMXSxTVBj6xSCXNHSHTJBQhJk7eloZxauud1bUsutApx5e8CDk_iRd0MsElbrKPSLswnXS2ihP2rjvHUH8QMM_5EhzTGg0Jqt2FtJuWiWETdVOvyXF9ZbwpoQnA4h6XYFvtQbQyb_Y52W3PIyFeVClXTSFwPlNryG5X_JDzC1Gmi6HCOQ. Received: from [86.164.98.33] by web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:32 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b6498a87011 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of the laser + PIN boards= I offered last year? There was no interest then.......! Just take it away. Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:39:18 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > =20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. > =20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. > =20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > =20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC --0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alan,
it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of= the laser + PIN boards I offered last year? There was no interest then...= ....!
Just take it away.

Sam, G4DDK




From: ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
Sent: Saturday,= 30 January, 2010 19:39:18
Subjec= t: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with th= e BF862

Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time bu= t assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not really= up to speed with opto-devices.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Sat,= 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darms= tadt.de> wrote:

> From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
> Subject: LF: 2nd= try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Saturday,= 30 January, 2010, 19:26
>
> 
> 
>&nb= sp;
>
> Dear LF,
> 
> Some OMs informed= me, that the picture of
> the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come,
&= gt; since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?)
> 
> Now= i try to do it again. Those who asked
> for the picture, please giv= e my a short confirmation if the
> picture is in the correct format= now.
> 
> I will subscribe to the reflector with
>= ; another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri
> agn.
>= ; 
> I do some modifications to the RX in the
> moment= and will send the new and perhaps better circuit
> soon. But the se= tup is already working vy fine!
> 
> 73,
> Stefan/= DK7FC

--0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.24]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b61ab3a2e; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:20:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 43F5038000138; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaW9F-0002sb-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaW9E-0002sS-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:08 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaW9B-0007pf-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:08 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=3842 helo=EFREMOV) by mx30.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaW95-000Oft-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:59 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184b61ab393b78 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce > power. > Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. > Power 5 W. > Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. > > Thanks! > > > 73 Andrey > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG071-5fa4b4e3e7d27f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4b4e3e7d27f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVAyf-00052T-IP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVAyf-00052K-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVAyd-0003T1-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0DLg4sW032146 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:42:05 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:42:04 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A99@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A99@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Thread-Index: AcqTz73IMmrNBboiRRetKIo1j7Q3gQAyWh9H References: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.673;13.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.13.213037 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9499.3ECFB225" Subject: LF: AW: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9499.3ECFB225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to ur RX, Dave! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 22:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. 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Hi LF,
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best 73s
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrey,=20 =20 Perhaps it is an idea to use 2 wires in parallel as the antenna wire. If= you connect the two wires together at the end, you have the possibility= to fed a DC current to the wire to melt the ice. A few Volt and a few Amp= ere should be enough, so not much power waste. It could be fed by a standa= rd AC-decoupling network or can be injected during the TX breaks of your= beacon by a relay (or it can be done by hand from time to time ;-) ). So= you could avoid the crash of your wire... =20 What do you think? ;-) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von rn3agc Gesendet: Do 28.01.2010 16:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was cover= ed with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned= off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. 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([65.55.34.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZUSi-0002Td-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:19:01 +0000 Received: from COL122-W43 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:18:52 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 19:18:52.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B03D0C0:01CA9DF3] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_02951dd4-b3f9-493a-a9b9-24313b916494_" Subject: LF: PA0AM_EI0CF_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 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I saw some nice signals on 600m just now. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_63737d13-e0e4-4edf-b162-b52ffca6a203_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I saw some nice signals on 600m just now.

Lubos, OK2BV= G, JN88KS

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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:07:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME036-9aa4b4b063f269; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:06:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUI5o-0000vS-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUI5o-0000vF-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUI5l-00054n-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-30-242.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.30.242] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUI5l-000Fo6-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4B4B06AB.6060309@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:08:27 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Graham. I consider it very good material for antennas. I used it some years ago at Amberley Museum for a large LF antenna for 73kHz and a very large V beam for 21MHz transatlantic TV tests. It also can be used as 80 Ohm transmission line. Regards Peter, G3LDO > GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? > > Looks like the wire is used from pole to house , has supporting wire > and thinner conductors in a pvc sheath > > anyone any idea about its suitability for a long wire Ae ? > > tnx - G .. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-a5b94b49f43518a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:37:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFA79380000AB; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzpw-00039q-Mq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzpw-00039h-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTzpu-0002hL-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFALiCSUtOkJx9/2dsb2JhbACNUwbEGoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280915826" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.144.156.125]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 15:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b49f4332604 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. 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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-60c4b4c515627a; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:39:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4b4c515627a; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:39:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUe8e-00085J-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUe8e-00085A-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUe8d-0004v4-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0CAc0Oa032497 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:38:00 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bcb.666f0af3 (37258) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA078-918a4b4c50da257; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:37:55 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:37:13 +0000 Message-Id: <1263292633.5459.7.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes Gary, It all came together shortly after I had figured out that no matter whether it was string, rubber bands or wire, the connection between two baked bean cans needed to be taut in order for communications to take place! Meccano was fun too - only 10 or so years ago I used the knowledge gained as a kid and Meccano parts from a car boot sale to create a drive system for a roller coaster. 73 On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 09:54 +0000, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Pat, LF, > > > You wrote :- > "As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old > transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The > Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF > or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement > was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever > surpassed it" > > > I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just realised > that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years ago). > That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under the stairs in > my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft. > > > 73 > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/11 g4gvw > Oh dear Mal! > > I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen > living in > the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws > and > regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms > there is a > political influence at work in the legislature of any country > with a > legal or regulatory system. > As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years > ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device > together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old > transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough > volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called > "The Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something > called LF or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of > achievement was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since > has ever > surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple > DXCC on > every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore > as an end > in itself. > You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of > ignorance > - I no longer have that excuse! > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were > afraid a mere > > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same > criteria did not > > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "g4gvw" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting > anyone > > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) > licences from > > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) > derives was intended > > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a > prohibition on any > > > effective radiation. > > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the > presence or > > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude > might be > > > considered a "message"! > > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an > amateur radio > > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those > stations who > > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I > cannot determine > > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of > view of a > > > listener under the regulations. > > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit > anything at any > > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and > conditions to > > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is > a strange and > > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > > In a recent message, John P-G > wrote ... > > > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message > whatsoever? > > > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations > of your Licence: > > > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is > only used: > > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, > including > > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it > is merely an > > > > addition to it. > > > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-864d4b3f8ec11c9; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:21:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 17EDD3800158D; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR8UU-0005Jv-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR8UU-0005Jm-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR8UR-0002Ms-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.41] (helo=[10.228.80.182]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NR8UK-000Kb6-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:14:09 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Sanders" To: Cc: "Ypma, S.H." , , , "Albert" References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:13:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b40d06b6e60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All LF, Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently received= permissions (via VRZA) to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010.= PA0A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible mis= understandings caused by my previous email to the reflector. The Dutch= Telecom Authorities nor VRZA have publicised anything on their Intern= et sites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been= informed about anything yet. Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his acheivements! Best Regards / Best 73's Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've bee= n warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called= him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give= Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not= yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band to= t the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those= able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publicatio= n is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been ad= equately informed about the process. It is not even clear if notificat= ions to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs hav= e already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this= reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and= therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'r= adio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band wit= hout official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO= with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch= Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radi= o Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiments tra= nsmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future= will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact'= as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's,= starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's= from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy'= but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on= his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radioze= ndamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over= de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wa= t de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie= tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de= 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De veren= igingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen= een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de= verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment.= Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmer= king kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor= de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amateur= s in PA have=20 apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to transmit= =20 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this and= I=20 appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my= previous=20 email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA&nb= sp;have=20 publicised anything on their Internet sites until now and th= e VERON=20 members (like myself) have not been informed about anything yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in order= for=20 his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we'v= e been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called him=20 although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates=20 a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= =20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M.= Sanders=20 <misan@xs4all.nl&= gt;=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A= on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc= :=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
=
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the offi= cial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experiment= al=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio= =20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able= to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publicati= on is=20 quoted below. However not all their memebers= seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the pr= ocess. It=20 is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transmis= sions like=20 the one recorded below and and therfore QSO's= with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio= =20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an fre= quency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amat= eurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting= date=20 somewhere in the future will be in order= , and not=20 legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-= 1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich= history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first= succesful=20 trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse,= was=20 convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the Judge= =20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tende= ncy to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot= 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op= 7 oktober=20 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz= band. De=20 verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het= uitzenden=20 in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die= voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultate= n van het=20 onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingsc= ommissie=20 voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een= rapport=20 indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek= te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de= inhoud van=20 de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenig= ingen nog=20 overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorw= aarden voor=20 de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidde= ls met de=20 VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder= =20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwo= ordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuel= e=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen ko= men voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Individ= uele aanvragen=20 voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door= =20 Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">
Zo= dra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beken= d via deze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

&nb= sp;

 
----- Original Message ---= --
Sent: Friday, Janua= ry 01, 2010=20 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the tw= o of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T



------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b556538141; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:54:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D8663800012F; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX8th-0007xy-Rm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX8th-0007xp-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX8tf-0003DA-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.8]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC8041CDBB for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav12p.corp.thales (10.33.231.32) by thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9CC10063B646 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.1]) by thsmsgiav12p.corp.thales with smtp id 17f1_c077_a8fcf370_04cf_11df_bb87_0013725118e7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt11p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7C459802F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:53:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b5565364e95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Piotr Before spending any euros (pennies) in such a project, please get a serious look on the power budget of such micro-payloads. Transmitting continuously analog signals to the groundc(from MF/LF or any other bands) is very power demanding, if you consider the limited surface of the solar panels of such microsats. This message does not mean "Don't do it", but you should seriously work first on the power budget and on the link budget for such a project :o) Jean-Louis F6AGR AMSAT-France > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of > Piotr Mlynarski > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:09 PM > To: 137khz > Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? > > Dear LF group, > I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues, > however i > thought it would be interesting to some readers... > Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: > http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm > { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially about > hardware and software already included in this Kit } > Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a sort of > "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, > i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboard a > satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF signals > and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could chase > his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply > make a qso...) > Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . > > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ > p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $ so > adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this > group and we > may have > our "LF/MF toy" in space :) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4b559e121c5; 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10 Jan 2010 19:28:47 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:28:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b4a2ac80dae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur= trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had th= e trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and specu= lation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Litt= le antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regard= ing noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot= be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for= given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on= 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easie= r for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 99= 0kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming= another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop"= under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just= spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly= close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace fro= m me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was= far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on= the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation= of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my= current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limi= t for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimatin= g or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at tha= t power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if= one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be= possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a gi= ven Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further= would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the= other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is= different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known= paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to= all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied=20 u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for som= e time but=20 had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid=20 guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often=20 at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and= =20 environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn,=20 these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real=20 time.
 
G3KEV
 
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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 7:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget= calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than mo= st=20 stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it= may be=20 easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others.

Fo= r what=20 it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms rang= e in=20 S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-= 12dB in=20 hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable= conditions.=20 I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. Th= e magic=20 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just ha= ve seen a=20 "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away,= but if it=20 was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting= to see=20 what people say is possible based on the propagation theory=20 etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <= ;james.cowburn@virgin.= net>

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions= on a resource=20 for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set=20 distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV re= asonably=20 consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of aro= und -22dB=20 and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for= roughly=20 estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range= (EMR) at=20 that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences betwee= n separate Rx=20 stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx station= s then it=20 should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal str= ength at a=20 given Rx based on its performance with other known=20 signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say= -22dB then how=20 much further would the remaining  8dB or so of WSPR detection= get me,=20 assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if the= ir=20 capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB diff= erence=20 over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or= pointers and=20 best wishes to all for a great 2010

Wit= h best=20 regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr.= James Cowburn=20 G7NKS

E=20 james.cowburn@virgin.net<= FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue>

 

 

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Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-86a14b5b6aab1eb; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:31:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2886538000101; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnYi-00008I-7W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnYh-000089-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:19 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnYf-0005ug-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:19 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3553065pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u6VncuDdFX7bdAYGTm5Rt1BW0QXL63dh1cu7GFeJgCA=; b=Mj2Whha0FS2Hd4TvD3uf+wtdIrQUIbI6s0jWBrwNjvR8mluCBiEoCJ8/NnS2Ct3unB kAcB/NkNhvySxpjUicthjT7fUBshC1J47n4T8zZL4YICTTuv+QKyEritivuDyJWysfPY 2P9z4jrFiq7CRt2wU0YnCWYYSgH7sSpAVK/6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Ab+iOCFjD5wInsf2gpiizBl4MDDexZ1kAVx6pHWORkTK0viUf3oM6LHvZ7lcC+v3Ud vFZaON4OiRSAGcZmwNgru/NR6WFuSfqwExaJoVRSKP6mLYMQAqgvjtBzEBNv/x1ELnnL 1qSYJZxGXl/dQh9LoxMqg4ZNMRCgWemi6q/+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.22.20 with SMTP id z20mr3280177rvi.23.1264282209095; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d6b8665b67288693 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b5b6aaa461b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Rik, Thank you. I took a break to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's. BTW, nice reply to Mal. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

Thank you.

I took a br= eak to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's.

BTW, nice reply to Mal.

73, Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
Gary,

a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


--000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b894b5785ad2d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:38:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD073-b894b5785ad2d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:37:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjAL-0001VQ-Sz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjAL-0001VH-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjAJ-0000Io-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from COL122-W17 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:36:37 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:36:36 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2>,<9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:36:37.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[070AD870:01CA9A21] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_" Subject: LF: G3XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yess, it is a good idea! And than I will buy the second pint! :-)) Lubos, OK2BVG=20 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:24:41 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luck wi= th the dripping tap. Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English= beer for certain :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 g3zjo Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations,=20 "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yess, it is a good idea! And than I will buy the second pint! :-))
<= br>Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22= :24:41 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

I'm now beginning to believe that= anything is possible Eddie. Good luck with the dripping tap.

Lubos= , if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English beer= for certain :-))

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com><= br>

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Yeh ! Con= gratulations Roger.

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Lubos you= have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">73=

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

= Eddie G3ZJO

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratulations,&n= bsp; "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos OK= 2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.

 

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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro= v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b558ba6e0; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 795AC3800005D; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXBSd-0000aO-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXBSd-0000aF-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXBSb-0000YB-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D269B51C00F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED5431E703 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:56 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119103656.AED5431E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR_in_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_96643414==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b558ba45833 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_96643414==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, are you using WSPR version 2 ? Version 1 produces this "BadMsg" with complex calls. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:42 19/01/2010, you wrote: >Hello LF! >I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night. >My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6 > >2332 -29 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2 > >0204 -24 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0302 -26 -0.4 0.511551 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0304 -25 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only: > >0404 -20 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0432 -19 0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0504 -19 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >My last written record was at 06:24UT: > >0624 -28 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only. > > >73! >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > > > >---------- >Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten=20 >prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. --=====================_96643414==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos,

are you using WSPR version 2 ?
Version 1 produces this "BadMsg" with complex calls.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:42 19/01/2010, you wrote:
Hello LF!
I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.
My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6

2332 -29  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2

0204 -24  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0302 -26 -0.4   0.511551  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0304 -25  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only:

0404 -20  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0432 -19  0.6   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0504 -19  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

My last written record was at 06:24UT:

0624 -28 -0.5   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only.


73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS




Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
--=====================_96643414==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a7c4b5de2f783; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:29:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4b5de2f783; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:29:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZTec-0005BR-75 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZTeb-0005BI-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZTeZ-0002AV-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAAdxXUtOluZP/2dsb2JhbACNUgPNRoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,340,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437915274" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.230.79]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 18:26:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9deb$f7100ca0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:26:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caught the tail end of GT K then qrt G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Caught the tail end of GT K
then qrt
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-86004b4f259c1d0; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:09:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5D5B380000CA; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQM3-0008Kd-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQM3-0008KU-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVQLv-00010u-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so3909558pwj.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LC1taEfsHAD9Y1SM4REaPLW1WkHtpMGXn2r5EegsDfY=; b=rpurMoAJUiuk1WDEn7gks/xFWYY1pzr07XQer20jV7yItaFODYwzugWsKgiYV5gNIf yL5f4NYQhL7Kzfj2m4iMpTay16+iwBk9MdKVb18B9JWGGlE87FPp5LMYnm2joRJKGpSY SlcRL+a/Kfhz2rNfsyPfDnokOHPShKUp37aw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tXB9/YQN3EA7V3Cpd3a1uaacdekfP4w2hXnN9BjPNJGVkEZ1/4/CoCVpWkz8Bqtmc8 GGzWfqsVUC02oXOrepJpasaldWrIgilWtOXwVuCpOB5tSsxL71TyuweMtXZqQ6bVW/A8 f2+hDMXV/4Tduus+G6ZxJ9NWhXV7NBmZrDosc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.82.25 with SMTP id f25mr621543rvb.91.1263478016030; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:06:55 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9e3c38f5bd86a12 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4f25970d02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Tracey, Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID :- 498.7 *NT* 0 UNID XUU UNIDENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if it gets strong enough. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > Hello Gary > > Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > > If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there are a > good number of unid NDBs in that area. > > Tracey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > > Hi Roman, LF, > > I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > > I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about > 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there > appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks > like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that > frequency. > > I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either > side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of > the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > interested. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> >> Hi LF! >> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >> -- >> Roman RW3ADB. >> >> > --000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tracey,

Thanks, I have looked at the list & the= nearest is the following UNID :-

498.7 NT =A0 0 =A0 =A0XUU =A0= =A0 ENG IRL 2 200= 5-08-28 =A0=A0

Not= =A0sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if= it gets strong enough.

=
73, Gary - G4WGT.

=


2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.ga= rdner@talktalk.net>
Hello Gary
=A0
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
=A0
=A0
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
=A0
Tracey
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010= 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whic= h=20 looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment),=A0but nothing on my lists for= =20 an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few= kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the= HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may= be=20 interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


--000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB093-864b4b64a1c420d; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:16:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B16ED380000C7; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKf7-0004cB-CN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKf6-0004c2-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:24 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbKf4-0003WF-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:24 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0ULFLWJ021253 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:15:21 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:15:21 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:12:48 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Thread-Index: Acqh8JMeyxcXzMHiS06qT4BQEbJNtwAAGY6n References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B649F35.6060801@ukonline.co.uk> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.210320 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1F1.53832B53" Subject: AW: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b64a1c21558 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1F1.53832B53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Peter and thank you. =20 This was my first mail to that subject ;-) But we have found it now, as yo= u can see. Tnx for the efforts! =20 Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Peter Dodd Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 22:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s Is this what you wanted Stefan? Peter, G3LDO On 16/12/2009 16:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almo= st bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without= anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a= SFH750V = as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, ther= e are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment= ). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and ther= efore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the= VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and= high amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. Th= e overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression metho= ds cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both= sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the= shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective dis= tance to the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lea= d Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, on= e could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppo= site way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mou= nting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a pu= blication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to beco= me popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be= usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to shar= e my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! 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X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A= JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23<= br>1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
19= 08 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10&nb= sp; 0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0&n= bsp;  0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten pra= v=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. =3D --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-5eae4b58ce2523a; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B325538000069; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY52T-00085n-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY52S-00085e-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:04 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY52P-0000gB-HH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:04 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so607080bwz.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Nq6dU9q1MurT+9qDvH+fPeTAWnnARTbP4Rau7Zejs2g=; b=h/B/XaiInFGyKnW//hcdXPol0u+ZMlCg3f8oS7AotldsyfRu4q2wWop02LbndRFxN0 475uHuHbgkzgBn2oY932Fh+CV6QM68CRfmKexab6snqI93zOqrW7hXgrbe+S+rYYnmym U0md/y00+DXfS9DqvybbpXtPzlMaf7ClnJFSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DiVYAwVyFZk+vL9HHMlw80i28KrdLzrb0bfVJH43Wx3OxvlUj3XfnZx2BBtZTfAaay HCG0cUgqAfZJeErSLK8uWC3HtottWecsUVLm4yMlICGtUyVeYFew9PqPvt39+WaxTKlT FpC4DC3gajJUQRIT4VGJGrur4ZTJ5HBhC07E8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.84 with SMTP id f20mr1074199bka.209.1264111075251; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Further DX reports from OK land Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b58ce232016 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again: 2010-01-21 21:32 G3XBM 0.503906 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102 2010-01-21 20:50 G3XBM 0.503908 -28 1 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102 Thanks again Lubos! 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again:
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Thanks again Lubos!
73s
Roger G3XBM
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--00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b439e5728d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E5B093800007F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFpJ-0004xC-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFpI-0004x3-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:24 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSFpE-0003JZ-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:24 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so36713549pxi.30 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rtWmiwEPrqAtLOA3cU9K9pDer7mPSK6IieH4mJL3dBQ=; b=A5f2Fg0/VDXIfe07PgIONB+F+BnPxUhLWYT868Yz9DXvxjxuq9VSBxaHeNUT8oPv/t UAUwR0mqElx+vFsOaD1jh18A+qfmM6vpUxHWg/7E+0PP9quo/iqq7PFkFuJauE100djK MoJvcbv1h2wFN2F9BZPrbskET4NAecDD4JZRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=dXmPpRZtwiI/OF8HAk51qigZEzUCVkyCDeBnrAmZ/amf4P5T37DQ4Q5RPt+CDvzjpV gU+NIr2ddiwsTxUsFbHib2cdYfFZxlPzharglhUavnByO2a/1STMRYSW0cTYZS3UfO0g DCfIUrb+N4ek0mja+aqKWop5JbBvN064/BG4w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.4 with SMTP id r4mr1363552rvl.217.1262722573431; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:16:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:16:13 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ab59f1c3a14f716 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd139a8707304047c7082ce X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b439e545a9f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd139a8707304047c7082ce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc --000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Look at this capture. Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period. Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.
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smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSd7Q-0007Vz-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:08:42 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D4481C00093 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6D6791C00098 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.160]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E6F811C00093 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100106210828946.E6F811C00093@mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:08:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b44fc120dd6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Seeing some sort of wide band data round 499 USB ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:39 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th > test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or > other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is > Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on > 500 > G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI023-eabc4b5afe8d10c; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:50:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 479AD3800011C; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgME-0005Hv-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgME-0005Hm-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgMB-0003K9-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1713135bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=56eTJHYdNqDx/H3KFnfSLx/FndMIqftWNmvRDQj6W6A=; b=itSQa+3PENWOdr/xItL4GsDS79s4dlLPkhsqS67llpfSE94axBZYlcWBXVcXoiNKN0 5ZuC9bUezePHYwlWlFyTN3lDZNV6/7++WUkgJDUPbMCoJqS3EFjKIKd/MhuMrwjHVE+n +GzUD24zLsOrf0AgsNQ4p7IeVTP8EggsLzemA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=I7OsKG8Pm9xKJeOgdzKOUHdz7EDKsuzPNQ5FG0/o2gv13stgAwoZZs+UAZ1wc72E1K zRlvCrpNh8aeLbKEt3ImBjoCpPcFBm+wXLylPUn5lnhfmvDYDLofEbLC193FZtWTklkV OQR3p2LDYCiewZHaeN2NH1T1DI0a9paO+bxTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.19 with SMTP id a19mr2340812bkd.90.1264254529567; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b5afe8b3b0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT= 4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I ha= ve managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

C= an someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies&qu= ot; guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?

73s
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--000325556f8623fc03047dd53208-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD032-8b7d4b5a122b368; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9984938000042; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQcT-0002qd-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQcS-0002qU-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:40 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQcP-0007WY-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 55629 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 21:00:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=L5nP950C3eijh7/0fPqU8knxR+vgztQsD+ABJlzHlfrbDfNunhB7poBzr27wwLGzQoixH6ZfXCIVQnEWYpKS3VMHIE5VAhOlvoKfnd3h50gMerUAFYGscqeSMHdKCrPJfeQR5UBo7MKPGoAfoa4+ajA9mhuSbh0BIcwMghgvFjg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 21:00:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: ODtl5scVM1lux6SY8h3SuUz.9rdstC6OZ9XQLxEHrJTCvp9QBViDHEOE_XKnSsli17Lb9pYvNhjWXsEKuknYnEEWzSEAYEUH.DeH8C83Vezk594pqd86n1Z5y_8xS5qseuVmq9YnDURvZweqxBXhjygcGA1j0aMn78e8rVXbHaIqwgtR_VA2vvkA5ZWtS.oMn2HUIWVA0uCJBZTVSo6KC5caWeQK8isfxbv2MXkRklbSgnSe2vJh_hg7.WGm5fVWJDGz_ukZEf5l1OwVJqad X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <72378D9981BD40D4B0D997CFD8EF3E46@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b5a122934e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Jim, LF, > > Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Well, I'm not sure - one kind of loses track after a while ;-) Thanks for the QSO, Gary. JT4A actually seems to work quite well for a rubber-stamp type of QSO on 500kHz. There were several deep fades during Gary's transmissions where the signal disappeared from the spectrogram. However, all overs decoded successfully here too. I have left my TX running transmitting test calls in JT4A mode on about 503.47kHz for a while if anyone else would like to have a look. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b64403f3aa; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ACFB138000200; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbE9r-0002Zu-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbE9q-0002Zl-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:42 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbE9n-000132-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:42 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3199C20000076 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.3.148.9]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B3C92000005B for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B643FBC.4040906@toya.net.pl> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <892136.82919.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <892136.82919.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b64403d538e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ALAN MELIA wrote: >Hi Piotr, Is it possible that Andy is radiating a much stronger ground-wave at that distance. I know the paths should be reciprocal, but if the weaker station ground wave was weaker, swamped in the noise?? Possibly the antennas for the others are radiating much more upward and the ground wave is being attenuated. The addition.subtraction of a ground wave at the same strength as the skywave could add or subtract 6dB (about the difference in the figures)....I know that the Lowfers in the States see a dead zone at their low power.....but that as with QRSS not a sophisticated system like WSPR. > >A slant range calculation formula is given on my web site. The apparent reflection height at 136kHz at night was lower of course 90-100km. At extreme range the apogee was calculated by raytracing at about 86km (from memory) At short range and high angles the signal will penerate further before being returned. The path calculated this was is in error because the refraction "shortens" the path over a "mirror reflection" model. >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm. > >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/fading.htm Dont take too much notice of the text it is quite old now but the equations work and can be solved at fading nulls. You need two receivers at different distances to resolve the ambiguities. > >An interesting point is that if you can calculate the ground-wave strength, you can estimate the skywave strength by the depth of the null(which asumes they are out of phase of course). > >I used the thumbnail figure that a watt ERP at 1km generates 300uV/m, for my calculations. These kind of simple models can be very useful in trying to understand what is happening and calculating whether any particular path is possible...... and its good fun !! > >Best Wishes >Alan G3NYK > > > Dear Alan, Thank you for your response , thank you for your comments and bringing my attention to your earlier work upon those issues. Had I known your papers before, my initial post would have been different :but few points are , say, equivalent. . according to slant calculations formula .. sure, i did the same sketch ( well, in some way, they had to be the same ) and i came up with equivalent eqns but in a more straightforward way. i was using a "cosine theorem' which holds for an arbitrary triangle: we have its a,b,c sides and between a and b we have angle alpha then we have that c*c = a*a +b*b - 2*a*b*cos(alpha) . if you make it a right triangle i.e. alpha = pi/2 then you have its cosine = 0 and "classical" Pythagoras shows up. The reason that i 've put simplifications was due to the numerical example i had in mind ( using Rik, on7yd, data ) After reading your post i immediately added few lines to the program. so now it has one approximation less :) assuming mean earth radius as 6370 km and using the notation from your sketch ( dcf39,porto) the path AD+DB = 483.7 km (approximate) and 487.1 km ( slant) with h = 120 km and AB distance 420 km . now the first sentence from your "simple path-loss calculation" paper.. "the book say Fs at 1km from 1kW ERP stn is 300 mV/m"... In my post it is the E = sqrt(60*P)/R as P is isotropic, erp is mutiplied by 1.5 ( short dipole) we have 1000*1.5*60 = 90000 and its sqrt is 300 [mV/m because R is 1 and expressed in km) so we know exactly the 'origin' of 300 mV/m .. :) Alan, it is just a 'hot' response to your post. I have to 'digest' the content of your papers and this will take some time but i already like very much your idea about the 'oscillating layer' ( again, dcf39,porto paper and 'further thoughts' chapter) will come back later to this ... Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b5b4fb1ef; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:36:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C68A380000FE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlla-0007TY-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYllZ-0007TP-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:29 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYllX-0005HA-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:29 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAADeWktOlvwl/2dsb2JhbACNdAXIEoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="281087364" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.252.37]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 19:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <009701ca9c63$25fb4500$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:34:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ON4ZK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b5b4fb062af X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one worked tonite on cw ON4ZK nice signal - CW g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New one worked tonite on cw ON4ZK nic= e signal -=20 CW
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------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b4e17423a4; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:56:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDE32380001DE; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV8MT-0004o2-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV8MT-0004nt-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV8MR-00022N-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 66156 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 18:54:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=i3gTgjU6V6RuaZAZdKZpoVECHfvAtNFDvlcqRv7+9WamnS3eR7u/gOibltdd1CLTatQNOHnvaRi2tyKLlwCs3L30IeM/nPjqO73L5PHfVo23TxBuqn2G3A32FBoreuZ7ZsaLJmfuHobJ0h1U2HPTvCAcp7vYyoO+PG3eKDWNAMQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 18:54:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: w7KCN4EVM1myL4MJ7_QPsKyzG1GmAyE1FKYGBHN_33kc22rZjqL95bLvfs4xqrVX2UOnrS6OUlfUaMEhukXRlqh0RqwiJoZz7oNloInyrV.AOC_b21DV0TZXCo9_NjIorXAG1X.bbM6oPFzdRh0Go9Lt3vQS8vVu0Bcnh3B_y0Er96OSkaS9cwDEygEHgFgtXWsRrdNjjTBgtYPCpRGepbzIQpS30sdsznXqY19IXgCi5Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <11F4F2A4333B47F98182FC8461A9BA47@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b4e173f3d90 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: > Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes > a > single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. All of these circuits which depend on a tuned tank circuit of some sort (class C, D, E, F...) are essentially single frequency devices, although often the tank loaded Q can be fairly low, and so accomodate a modest frequency change without re-tuning. Differences between class D and E are: -Class D designs of the "Decca" voltage-mode type are "zero-current switching", i.e. the output devices switch the voltage when the load current sine wave reaches its zero points, which reduces switching losses. (the push-pull G3YXM/G0MRF circuits are more-or-less the complementary, current-mode, zero-voltage switching type). Class E cleverly arranges things so that both voltage and current are zero when switching occurs, further reducing switching losses. -Class D are symmetrical circuit topologies with symmetrical waveforms at the output, while the basic class E circuit is single-ended with asymmetrical waveforms. > It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting > L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. As Andy says the Decca-type switching waveform is ideally always a square wave, irrespective of load impedance. The load current, observed with a current transformer, is always virtually a sine wave. The effect of mis-tuning is that the voltage and current waveforms get out of phase with each other. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-9fd4b4afbeb392; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:23:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG027-9fd4b4afbeb392; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHIb-0000XT-Ba for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHIa-0000XK-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:00 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUHIR-0008Oj-Bv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:00 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0BAEFgt019926 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Thread-Index: AcqSRsY+exLmHwR6RIW2Va/DoWcwEQAW+a2k References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <9afca2641001101442j52144c19v666c8d266a316f6e@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.670;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.11.100038 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA92A6.D4786A25" Subject: AW: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA92A6.D4786A25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger! =20 Tnx for your point of view. I do not disagree you but... ;-) WSPR will giv= e a good experience of the propagation and what can be done with a given= station and thus it can be useful to increase the knowledge of all of us.= It will be a good additional feature to LF unless the "real QSO modes" ar= e not neglected (i know in wspr is also a qso mode). But if many people wo= uld switch to WSPR instead of the other modes and if it gets boring after= some time, because it is rather a communication between computers, then= the whole activity would decrease, perhaps. It is the same with contests on HF: If you want to test a new antenna then= you could do say 5 personal QSOs with a real content and discuss about yo= ur antenna with the others and get a feedback e.g. about the QSB and so on= . Or, you can do 100 QSOs in a Contest and get 599tu (yes, in wspr there= are real rprts, thats an advantage ;-) ) and can say "I worked USA, Japan= , Afrika" and so on... That is a good way to check where you can be heared= but after a while, the 599tu gets boring for the most. Recently, accident= aly i found the website of GW4ALG who went QRT due to the contests. He mad= e excellent circuits for amateur radio, also for LF (my Converter was his= idea). I do not know the whole story but i can good imagine that he was= very active and interested and dissapointed by the trend to unpersonalize= d "QSOs" on amateur radio... =20 I am just a little afraid that now, many people will neglect QRSS/DFCW/CW= and go to WSPR so that the activity in the "old fashioned" modes will dec= rease. I will not follow to WSPR but i am interested in the informations= about the propagation on LF, that will be accumulated. I do not say "Let= the fingers from this mode", rather "Remember that amateur radio is prima= ry a communication between humans, not between computers". For QRSS one ca= n say it is the same but for me it is rather a audible to visible conversi= on, the human still has to do the work to catch a wanted signal out of a= noise :-) =20 73 :-) Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 23:42 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Dear Stefan, You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3KEV will already be= writing his response in support of you email, HI. However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propagatio= n experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not have= been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacitors= rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military tracking= station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then,= with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter= made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and th= in copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, esse= ntially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have lear= ned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN.=20 So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is a great and pl= easurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WSPR, and indeed= many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have their place on th= e ham bands of today. 73s and a happy New Year to you. 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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b649f7d32d7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Is this what you wanted Stefan? Peter, G3LDO On 16/12/2009 16:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almo= st bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without= anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a= SFH750V = as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, ther= e are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment= ). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and ther= efore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the= VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and= high amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. Th= e overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression metho= ds cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both= sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the= shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective dis= tance to the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lea= d Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, on= e could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppo= site way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mou= nting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a pu= blication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to beco= me popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be= usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to shar= e my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help= only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have help= ed all of us! > > > > > > 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b40b037192; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:56:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BF3D3800AE6C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRRo5-0001cN-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRRo4-0001cE-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:48 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRRo1-00043G-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:48 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.193] (helo=[10.238.129.97]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRRnt-000B4p-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:51:39 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:51:18 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:26:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:26:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b44ba2a16fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Scale is 5dB / division data captured from database by excel macro (available on my website,= version 1.8 is imminent. 1.7 has an error in the timestamping) Regards Mark GM4ISM ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy,
I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3= stations, and=20 you can clearly see the snow build up and when you bashed it off!!
noticeable difference seen close in= and at=20 distance.
Scale is 5dB / division
data captured from database by excel= macro=20 (available on my website, version 1.8 is imminent. 1.7 has an error in= the=20 timestamping)
Regards
Mark GM4ISM
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([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:32:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:32:33 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:32:33.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[75C116E0:01CA9A20] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_" Subject: LF: G3XBM_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger and all friend! Thanks for your nice e-mails. I am really happy, that Roger=B4s and my te= st with WSPR QRPP was successful. It is unbelievable, that PWR 1mW is usab= le on that long distance. Thanks for the interesting test! 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 2200 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2202 10 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2206 -24 -0.6 0.503903 0 G3XBM JO02 0 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 =20 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! Thank you so very very much for finding my tiny signal. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger and all friend!
Thanks for your nice e-mails. I am really= happy, that Roger=B4s  and my test with WSPR QRPP was successful. It= is unbelievable, that PWR 1mW is usable on that long distance.
Thanks= for the interesting test!

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Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 
 

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000
From: rog= erlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re:= LF: G3XBM

Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!!

Thank you so very= very much for finding my tiny signal.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG &= lt;bvgbob@hotmail.com>=
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

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Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Dear MF,
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CAA044.9A64D480-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b5f81b01bd; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C147A38000159; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvHW-0001Ia-V0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvHW-0001IR-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvHU-0004rp-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0QNvBhF025481 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:57:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:57:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:52:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Thread-Topic: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Thread-Index: Acqei6WGS6vkCnfiTKu3sxDsFoDwiAAVvv3O References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAB@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B5EECA7.6060702@usa.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.706;26.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.26.234223 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54070 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b5f81ae627e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alberto,=20 =20 Tnx for reply. Let us know about your loop preamp if it is finished.=20 =20 I already have ordered 10 pcs of the BF862 for my active E Field active an= tenna! This FET is MUCH more sensitive than the BF245C and has 1/10 of the= noise of the J310... =20 73 es gl! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Alberto di Bene Gesendet: Di 26.01.2010 14:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors On 1/26/2010 2:24 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Group, > > I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and= OPAs for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: > > http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf > > Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Thanks Stefan, very interesting if one has to build a low noise loop preamplifier (as= I have...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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b=cxcAMud8UvUnesnYSYNXp0zay1FzmeVhg1oYAj6bjxqEjWPCN3HWUwX52aP3UhIBlyN7iP1LddQMdos705Jli5YmvyeoHZ5VP8N2QVPP2eNjrKhbMpC/ElBfzqQKQdamiGIk4myFikwdJkXFUdVvvwsfPO/AGfvJ2XvplNKayn4=; Message-ID: <277394.27685.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JW7mHNoVM1lRXXLfo6YkKtIdvewl8zNbfF0otZXrV3zdB.pjhC1Jyr8HRqE1ziHrDfd0zwrxv0MrxLSez0i2_VDcKuElmEfwQCkAiDwmnBurS1A.kuv2rnAC3I_i5ZMG8NwlxP.jzadPRWhnhM1JWT1p1W4WdlheP4Qwldy9I3VK5RvwHCbpCxvcJfCaHe4v3cqYKtiMpJlpBT0Aqc44iyC0_Tee8joQOkOTgznc222d2YFb1jMyNwuNlcGUEJlbTSpupiGN_NrHj8fB7fMap6ChqMZJna0dbmntFcf4H_VUDZ5uebiLqpsM25gn Received: from [86.130.57.5] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:17:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001d01ca9393$09a3b640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4c942e3b7d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info Mal =C2=A0 My wire is flexweave, the un-insulated type. Last week I was impressed by= the frost on the wire it made it look really fat. I did not actually meas= ure the amount of frost but eyeballed it at 10mm. But I could not detect= any change to the loading (I use fixed tapped coil with coupling loop),= busness as usual you miight say. I am sure there must be some effect but= I could not see with my gear. =C2=A0 This flexweave has let me down because early last year it broke. The thin= wires that make it up seemed very corroded and brittle so I am expecting= the repaired wire to come down again. I am thinking of replacing it=C2=A0= using 1.5mm or thereabouts diameter hard drawn copper for durability, what= do you think? =C2=A0 I have basically 4 radials of various diameter=C2=A0in H fashion running= the property boundry with the up lead at about=C2=A01/3 offset to=C2=A0ce= ntre of the H, =C2=A0best I can do at the moment. The ant is inv "L" 40m= lng up abt 13m. =C2=A0 If it wasn't for the 11kV at the bottom of the garden I could do a lot bet= ter.... hee. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Tue, 12/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 14:25 =EF=BB=BF=20 Pete I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire normally but sometimes 2.5mm but= since it is insulated the WX seems to have little effect on it.This is th= e 1/4 wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire= and again the WX has little effect. My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm. Bare copper wire might be more vunerable to WX changes. de mal/g3kev =C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 =C2=A0=20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method.= =20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no=C2=A0increase in= current.=20 =C2=A0=20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top= of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20 The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the info Mal
 
My wire is flexweave, the un-insulated type. Last week I was impresse= d by the frost on the wire it made it look really fat. I did not actually= measure the amount of frost but eyeballed it at 10mm. But I could not det= ect any change to the loading (I use fixed tapped coil with coupling loop)= , busness as usual you miight say. I am sure there must be some effect but= I could not see with my gear.
 
This flexweave has let me down because early last year it broke. The= thin wires that make it up seemed very corroded and brittle so I am expec= ting the repaired wire to come down again. I am thinking of replacing it&n= bsp;using 1.5mm or thereabouts diameter hard drawn copper for durability,= what do you think?
 
I have basically 4 radials of various diameter in H fashion runn= ing the property boundry with the up lead at about 1/3 offset to = ;centre of the H,  best I can do at the moment. The ant is inv "L" 40= m lng up abt 13m.
 
If it wasn't for the 11kV at the bottom of the garden I could do a lo= t better.... hee.

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Tue, 12/1/10,= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 14:25

=EF=BB=BF=20
Pete
I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire= normally but sometimes 2.5mm but since it is insulated the WX seems to ha= ve little effect on it.This is the 1/4= wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire and= again the WX has little effect.
My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm.
Bare copper wire might be more vunerable= to WX changes.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:5= 1 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m= antenna


Hi LF Group=20

 =20

In an attempt to calcul= ating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get these results.=20

With a wire diameter of= 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF applied. This= is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A= each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightness.=20

With an estimated incre= ase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did not not= ice any change in antenna current by this method.=20

Running the calculation= through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd size of= 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.=20

 =20

The recent WX at this= location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did I would= suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inverted =E2= =80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20

The type I use is a dee= ply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20


73 es GL petefmt



=20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4b5c64c912b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F44338000073; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4DU-0006fi-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4DU-0006fZ-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4DS-00005P-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FAE51C004 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BED1F3862 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 08F8C18056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:14 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124161714.4uoabirs6os8wggo@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5c64c7280b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Eddie, first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to sunse= t. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your =20 > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the =20 > period of the screenshot. > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen =20 > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK =20 > Grabbers. > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi Eddie, > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what =20 > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc =20 > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at =20 > 1245utc. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the =20 > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I =20 > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > 73 > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave =20 > G3WCB > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi, Eddie. > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is =20 > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a =20 > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which =20 > contains elements of both modes! > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and =20 > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. =20 > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on =20 > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of =20 > g3zjo > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > To: =20 > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; =20 > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. =20 > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the =20 > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my =20 > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR =20 > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the =20 > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5= Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b65ff6e143; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:08:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4DFDE380000A2; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhwq-0000pT-HQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhwq-0000pK-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbhwo-0002bt-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0VM75qd030051 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:05 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.c1f.791e8967 (34966) for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229245001.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.245.1]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA073-88964b65ff0330e; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1D14DADC9C6548C993B922BCCBFE2631@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:06:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b65ff6d39c0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, Jim, well essentially I did the same thing that Jim did. The audio frequenc= y was not known beforehand as there is a bit of rounding in the SDR tu= ning (in this case 503.308 instead of 503.300 kHz). Then I used manual= fine tuning in +-0.1 Hz steps. The extra {10} may be just SpecLab's= way of displaying a linefeed. 73, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus ha= d great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to= jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100%= but not so. Thank you for your report & comments. I will be closing down about 2200utc. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz wrote: Dear Gary, LF Group, This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: {10}Test transmission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure= the center frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this ma= nually as the RX frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF Group (RSGB)" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 LF, I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Gary, Jim,
 
well essentially I did the same= thing that Jim=20 did. The audio frequency was not known beforehand as there is a= bit of=20 rounding in the SDR tuning (in this case 503.308 instead of= 503.300=20 kHz). Then I used manual fine tuning in +-0.1 Hz steps. The extra = ;{10} may be just SpecL= ab's way of displaying a=20 linefeed.
 
73, Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 201= 0 10:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz= BPSK08
=
Hello Jim,
=
Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marc= us had=20 great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to= jiggle=20 things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not= so.
=
Thank you for your report & comments.
=
I will be closing down about 2200utc.
=
Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.
=

On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>=20 wrote:
Dear=20 Gary, LF Group,

This is what I see at M0BMU at=20 2042utc:



{10}Test transmission from G4WGT

Lo= cator=20 IO83qo

Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts

ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW


Mode and station control by SpecLab<= BR>
Test de=20 G4WGT



To get successful decoding, I had to se= t the AFC=20 to off, measure the center frequency of the signal from the waterf= all and=20 set this manually as the RX frequency.



Cheers, Jim= =20 Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----From:= "Gary -=20 G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "LF Group (RSGB)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PMSubject: LF: 500=20 kHz BPSK08


LF,

I= =20 will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
Th= e=20 frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz=20 USB.



------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC012-86254b41c596a3; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:40:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A6D4B380003C2; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 05:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRkHb-0007FK-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRkHa-0007FB-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:30 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRkHY-00017M-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:30 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9540837bwz.4 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:35:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HcoXn1cdk8ln4gaHeolYRYkQcRjMdG2jOD23/4Oljn0=; b=YDPQ0PirBviZapHj1W0VBY+gc4iSar4qBJrppeeoo/i1mJmwdtfe+OvlQZFGDEpdUN lF7NvlOe/qwpgpl018mHvAVWYNgyHY5BLKICK3YYPi70+PbvH92G3jrbzh9BS7sVuBEY 8+EAhnHuEMOhII5v1wCQr1ApFzR3enk+wYEfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hLbDwScwsX9F3d2tfR6RBXTWJHyTbqb6Ci+C6p1cA5prDI1EL9VtMaBLm3UeaM6117 mvvxJB0hO1OVIIsoEqkhv4WigMF068YWOtlk/Zjn/amkPhSffHRtPASFySNlkRuxsCro 3BrSvVK7q7j2mohF9rSlV3V12W/kO8lKnWkyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.146 with SMTP id p18mr11266106bkp.94.1262601321477; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:35:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555937a42778c047c54476b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b41c4ac00ea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555937a42778c047c54476b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton > This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set up > guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling away at > each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base once a year for > possible hits. > I am surprised it is not more popular. > Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW and > QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. > de G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a > time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), > is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good > idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference to weak signals is likely. > 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and > moan less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >> and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555937a42778c047c54476b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkt= alk.net>
This is fantastic news for the Applia= nce Operator.=20 Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of= them=20 growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data bas= e once=20 a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular= .
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by= Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using= =20 CW.
de G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some= suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at=20 a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a=20 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and= station=20 performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of ro= om=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes= .=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea=20 to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if= =20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D"_blank">g3kevmal@talktal= k.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon= on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM=20 to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations.= I=20 cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narr= ow=20 band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles sw= amped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?=
G3KEV
=A0



--=20
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http://g3xbm-qr= p.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088



--
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555937a42778c047c54476b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-9ff4b5738781b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG031-9ff4b5738781b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXe0j-0006zr-Tp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXe0j-0006zi-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from mail-in-14.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXe0i-0007lO-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.33]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E8C28AD5F for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92166254609 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-188-103-051-231.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.103.51.231]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2F89B2BAF3E for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:18 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-13.arcor-online.net 2F89B2BAF3E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1264007180; bh=MIqtwJHF8opu0P6vOUqjYnEUKpL91Xol4Ck74GyF/hE=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JntWSGlKlE2ypVZTbL4d1qWudJTknb06anfOHik9ik4hzxW3Q287q+oH45smK84M+ TahCWC1fQOnvU0yzEDoNLPhtm0Xzqq60WecWoUZU6vcCst4LKrCf9pOxzBBqodWldB vhBD7q5RHEHMrHv3rJ9J9YFQMp0CeDNuVfvUJ3FI= Message-ID: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:12 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OE5ODL qrp test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99F2.DE6E8200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d266.1 ; domain : arcor.de DKIM : fail X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99F2.DE6E8200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ossi, LF what's is the pwr you are running just? GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ossi, LF
 
what's is the pwr you are runnin= g=20 just?
 
GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq
 
 
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It turned out the infinite number of= monkeys came up with 19200,8,N,1...doh. =20 The unit was running fine after I gave it the idea it was in Alaska and no= t Oklahoma...just took a long time to do a survey but all appears well aft= er 4 or 5 years of now being powered up. =20 Im now back in Oklahoma... =20 Laurence KL 1 X/ 5 =20 From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900 Subject: LF: Z3801A =20 I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I could= talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine) =20 For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wonder if= anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published set up bu= t has it working on say 4800....=20 =20 Any good progs that can discover port configs :-) =20 Laurence=20 Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now= . =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/=3D --_6866f19c-04a2-4722-b719-1fc1e0da3312_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all those that replied thanks ! It turned out the infinite number of= monkeys came up with 19200,8,N,1...doh.
 
The unit was running fine after I gave it the idea it was in Alaska and no= t Oklahoma...just took a long time to do a survey but all appears well aft= er 4 or 5 years of now being powered up.
 
Im now back in Oklahoma...
 
Laurence KL 1 X/ 5
 
From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900
Subject: LF: Z3801A

 
I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the= RS422 connections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19= 200,Odd, 7,1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (a= nd I could talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey = routine)
 
For the life of me I cant seem to recall my wor= king settings and wonder if anyone else has a unit which doesnt have= the standard published set up but has it working on  say 4800....&nb= sp;
 
Any good progs that can discover port configs :-)
&nbs= p;
Laurence

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Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service= . Get it now. =3D --_6866f19c-04a2-4722-b719-1fc1e0da3312_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-85ff4b4c86a861; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A65A838035CDB; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUhgb-0001B2-2x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUhga-0001At-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUhgX-0000sG-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtAEAAoVTEtZ8Oh5/2dsb2JhbACCMIEviWsGunSNXINaVgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,262,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="433590287" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.232.121]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 14:25:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca9393$09a3b640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b4c869e3ceb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire normally but sometimes 2.5mm= but since it is insulated the WX seems to have little effect on it.Th= is is the 1/4 wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same= type of wire and again the WX has little effect. My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm. Bare copper wire might be more vunerable to WX changes. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group =20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on= my antenna I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1= amps for 60 watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing= a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenn= a up lead glowing to full brightness. With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm ca= used by the Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current= by this method. Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 am= ps and again to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no= increase in current. =20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on= the antenna. If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insula= tor at the top of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead. The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inch= es long. 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wi= re normally=20 but sometimes 2.5mm but since it is insulated the WX seems to have lit= tle=20 effect on it.This is the 1/4 wave= inv L TX=20 antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire and again the WX= has=20 little effect.
My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm.=
Bare copper wire might be more vunera= ble to WX=20 changes.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 20= 10 1:51=20 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on= 600m=20 antenna


Hi LF Group

 =

In an attem= pt to=20 calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get= these=20 results.=20

With a wire= diameter of=20 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF app= lied. This=20 is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps= (12Vx0.5A=20 each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brigh= tness.

With an est= imated=20 increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw fr= ost I did=20 not notice any change in antenna current by this method.

Running the= calculation=20 through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absur= d size of=20 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.

 =

The recent= WX at this=20 location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it di= d I would=20 suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the in= verted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D=20 up lead.

The type I= use is a=20 deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.


73 es GL=20 petefmt


------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b4b1bc9b3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B0D238000052; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mp-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mg-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJWb-00010k-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Em33RdhycDYC0dwuIIb6wakW392lBW46EUizx24N70SSBo8pNK70//rNI/zMbb7KCaMCvyx7UKbXnOP6prhjeOpcpBxxPIQ8br0a+FeJqjMqTVrwzI6FqaUVjoodvbShL3Rb44FB3d+jPZU82S/qDxJKBe5tO/BPsptTXnINC6Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lO6wubkVM1nsjVqlOv3NGqlGz4dCmRdrJLCzIPIIxEjgNkupmrU3iTpJPQ2bIWdSMX8W0q8fdqoAZ7A6Xaio03tmp5Oykh8eknaijK74_16Kt0cxm.m16mwlddXvOoY0h426FrSDV_BZMCpFpdTSW3TALr4mBCj_d.OHGBpD8UrjeBcj7jXn6Ax4AmIruSZj_kczG2aSbDyEEpsqgJqW_5D0Op710123Qe92QYypkgbDcw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F949536A836435EAA682EE9E4389065@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514b4b1bc7105d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: ...>The beauty of CW and variations of the mode handled by a competent operator is simplicity, just a basic TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX just a regen TRF device and a good pair of Ears. The appliance operator needs computers, appropriate software and keyboard skills to try and achieve a similar result, and often fails....> Have you tried using "just a regen TRF device" on 136k and 500k? I have... receiving amateur CW sigs on 500k with a simple regenerative RX is quite feasible, although not very satisfactory if more than one signal is present. On 136k, it does not really work, due to insufficient rejection of DCF39 and friends, which just swamp the detector. Most people are actually receiving CW with complex modern receivers, many using digital signal processing where the signal has to pass through a computer before the competent operator can listen to it. If people want a simple receiver for these bands, try a "Softrock" or similar. Used with a domestic PC and some of the excellent free software that other appliance-operating amateurs have produced, this can produce very good results. You can build one in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! G3KEV wrote: ...>There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential short messages, which applies to most radio amateur communications...> Well, we are amateurs, engaged in "leisure activity" and it is hard to think of a time when an "essential" message has been passed by LF/MF amateurs - life could go on without us, so this does not seem very relevant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-a8d34b609fb210e; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:18:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AAB5438000267; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEKj-000478-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEKj-00046z-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEKh-00061N-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwEAIMuYEtOlFTC/2dsb2JhbACNKwPMJ4Q5BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,355,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="312377074" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.84.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 20:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca9f8d$c5b50360$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GW4XXF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b609fad7a14 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one GW4XXF worked yesterday on 500. A regular beacon PA3CW still= active but not hrd in QSO mode yet. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New one GW4XXF worked yesterday on 50= 0. A regular=20 beacon PA3CW still active but not hrd in QSO mode yet.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b63fd5aa7; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:35:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69C8538000042; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb9iF-0001jR-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb9iE-0001jI-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb9iD-0007zL-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from COL122-W9 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:33:45 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 09:33:45.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[515969D0:01CAA18F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_" Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b63fd596073 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It will be on= to Monday=B4s morning continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technologi= =ED Microsoft https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It= will be on to Monday=B4s morning continuously.
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Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-m= ailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat =3D --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b5a162f2e2; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:18:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7ADBE3800008A; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQt5-00038x-0k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQt4-00038o-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQt2-0007dR-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735157B804E for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4FF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8616B18056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b5a162d6876 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures =20 WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: Sync =3D 9 dB =3D -2 DT =3D 0.0 DF =3D -107 W =3D 33 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a774b537839a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:51:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b537839a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWc4W-0001SJ-TA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWc4W-0001SA-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWc4U-0000b4-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wjtl1d00327AodY56kq0mK; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:00 +0000 Received: from LFMF ([76.23.233.102]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WkqB1d0092DDHkk3fkqBcy; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca97b6$a270e470$7401a8c0@LFMF> From: To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim Thanks for parking an RX / computer on 510 kHz. DL-SWL, as well as others, had a number of decodes last night so suspect you'll see something. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Dear Jay, LF Group, > > I have an extra RX covering 510kHz "dial frequency" overnight. Nothing > seen so far. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5ea34b4a4cff58; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:56:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADCDA38000073; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5kT-0005t8-1F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5kS-0005sz-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:00 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5kQ-0004xn-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:00 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDDD7B802A; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F1F3862; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id A62C818056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110225447.qai3f5xv0gwkkocw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roger Lapthorn References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4a4cfc0083 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, Jim, On Alan's (G3NYK) website =20 (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm) I found: Allow for an extra "hop loss" of 12dB for every ionospheric =20 "reflection" and 6dB for a land "bounce", say about 1dB for a sea =20 "bounce". Thus an extra hop would "cost" 13 to 18dB (+ free space loss ?) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Ri= k? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus =20 > SNR) depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute =20 > distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting James Cowburn =20 > >: > > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =20 > a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =20 > current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =20 > limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =20 > estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =20 > (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =20 > one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =20 > be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =20 > a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =20 > would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =20 > the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =20 > capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB =20 > difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =20 > for a great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > E =20 > james.cowburn@virgin.net> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.29]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5f364b40e95b3a; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:00:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F20D38004549; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVWf-00049D-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVWe-000494-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVWb-0005fy-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsFADp1QEtOkaBu/2dsb2JhbACIKMh/hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="404370824" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.160.110]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:49:56 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8ca5$8c32ea80$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601d4b40e7160647 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >what other mode has 'banana' as one of the accepted >report's It is only the Black Boxes that send 'bananas' on WSPR. Mind you the same rigs send the same 'bananas' on all non on off modes, they are just too wide to notice, I coined that term for the bent WSPR signals. I don't know, I should copyright my humour:-) Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b4de7d6348; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5AE48380000E5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5DA-000434-6B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5D9-00042v-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail-in-15.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV5D8-00007M-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5856F3567B6 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C9F2D3D50 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-072-154-239.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.72.154.239]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0F1D22C3040 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:33 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-03.arcor-online.net 0F1D22C3040 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1263396754; bh=lHiPrIQdbTKkYiF+dZ5xHHfHiU2whxrary8RrP7zk0o=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QNQrPW28dZeXOMi58L9mD8NdSA+V739UsAVecPQyTdnXE+YEIJdMiGx04VpS7Q2en vqw1W+FjMCmBxlmsH0qJobZlS6Y7qgzmQF8KSwqz4Fj5KOirukAs3IQcdbZ8xwJYRy Uz4uphv2SIr0RttNW0WdYE4FTVTrE7KtCUhrLbHk= Message-ID: From: "dl2hre" To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:29 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b4de7d35b55 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Dave, LF-group tnx for the nice capture! HNY-TEN 73 Ed DL2HRE jo51tq ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. Windsor, S.E.England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC014-869f4b40b9da27; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:38:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 189AF380000D3; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSVp-0001rs-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSVo-0001rj-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:00 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSVl-0004Gt-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:00 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0ACFD1C0009D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F22311C0009A for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4CBF01C0009D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103153647314.4CBF01C0009D@mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:36:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b40b9da0bbd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' =20 That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to = rf carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a convention= al transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...= No good if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train ,= vfo controlled or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr= generating code set .. Its a good point worth making though ... G..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at= a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation an= d station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plen= ty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversat= ional modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK= ), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a goo= d idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wid= e and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us try= ing to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understan= d why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocati= on.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
 
'''  More people should use WSPR -=20 '''     
 
That's=20 not as  easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a&= nbsp;=20 liner audio to  rf carrier frequency=20  conversion,  ...fine  if you have a  convent= ional=20 transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to  500/137= ...No=20 good  if you  have dividing logic in the amplifier &nbs= p;drive=20 train , vfo  controlled  or PIC based without the =20 'ability'  to  run a wspr  generating  code set ..= =20 Its a  good = ; point worth=20 making though ...
 
G..

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at a=20 time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz=20 slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and stati= on=20 performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty= of room=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational mod= es.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK= ), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a goo= d idea to=20 use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if= =20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is caus= ing QRM to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations.= I cannot=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ba= nd=20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swam= ped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-8c344b3e3d331a2; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:21:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 866BC380000E4; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQm6d-0001Fc-Nn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQm6d-0001FT-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQm6b-0005Nu-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KVK00MOSYXDKF@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:05 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: grabber Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b3e3d333396 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Mike.LF I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey 73s HNY to All henny pa3cpm --Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Mike.LF
 
I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey
 
73s  HNY to All
henny pa3cpm
--Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.206]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-a97e4b60b64d11a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5CF438000179; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFqN-0006Gc-Qs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFqN-0006GS-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFqL-0007Li-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127215428.HXIP4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFqE-0004A4-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:28 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop>,<1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00a601ca9f9b$48ca1170$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcqfmlAGT2VFQAU0QayGedsdGkxuJAAADkjcAAAmjsA= X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=6SH2SkFNGHPnhfiK-WEA:9 a=18q2EjrIxj7wt96amE0A:7 a=ps9BoxekYOrJt7LOJx-5aa49FzoA:4 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=np72KIsMEoYU39Kl:21 a=mrY5TNdU7t7LIWBD:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=71TbwGoSuJ1HHcervdgA:7 a=2l7hEIOmFA4EMaorsK0C-1PvuEAA:4 a=mftO4deV2_QA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4b60b64a4115 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thnx Rik, there's not much between me and you though, just the east England fens and then the north sea!! From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 27 January 2010 21:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, you are good copy here (-18dB). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-8bed4b4a961f43; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1E4E380000A4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAcM-0007rS-Ra for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAcM-0007rJ-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUAcL-0006MC-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W9 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.4] From: Laurence KL1X To: , Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:06:49 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2010 03:06:49.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E0D8940:01CA926B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_" Subject: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b4a961d4e15 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010-01-11 02:54=20 PA0A=20 0.503899=20 -25=20 0=20 JO33de=20 5=20 KL1X=20 BP51ip=20 7066=20 347=20 =20 =20 PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m =20 Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. =20 73 =20 Laurence KL 1 X (remote ops) =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/=3D --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010-01-11 02:54   PA0A   0.503899   -25   0   JO33de   5   KL1X   BP51ip   7066   347 
 
 
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
 
Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X
(remote ops)

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Get it now. =3D --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5cb8cb122; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:16:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E69638000110; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9oC-0001kc-Mf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9oC-0001kT-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9oA-0002jf-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 42F65700008D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 362E4700009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AE194700008D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124211539713.AE194700008D@mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b5cb8c90089 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the same= picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acc= epted the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you will get a decode soon ?=20 tnx G=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mode  change to PSK220F   200= hz=20 BW
 
TNX  for the  reports ..63 was just  too  slow !
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Ok Lubos .... well at this  speed = , will still=20 be  sending the  same  picture when im going  to&n= bsp; work=20 hihi .. I didn't  realise how  small the  size needs&nb= sp; to be=20 .. I just  reduced it until the  software  accepted the=  =20 file  .. signal is  starting to  show in Holland .. so= may be=20 you  will get a  decode  soon ?
 
tnx G

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may= be=20 later.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c= o.uk
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503= Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.30]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b6202eb22b; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A13F380000AA; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nabyn-00047h-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nabyn-00047Y-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nabyl-0002cN-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so1845079pxi.30 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r/ri/zuulygQaEF5PjDgtTqSWD4etWsiRt+KpBWdlfA=; b=vf+GTI8EH+exA2foc2RJBYTDXyij3vFksstSAfrijBaQWinFJOxl1ixOiG2IEU1GJQ gx1HeZj66ND+UyaG34XT95zu9wdOLqnPisi4ef4mpqZucnjBODokn+WQrcnW+9lUq7w8 EKxh86x5A9IKg8lNsKuCmyoi4Dxt+WmjQUK44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vGt4aMszDCj90jfiuzlxBmQNtwSzTg1AVPgMS4B4If2aEHsxHQbxbMj8GP8nfv8Hvp lMRXBFerD2ia0ZH4DaSvDrgAB0qvjCkqGDygNwETzSoydT++0N/3Y12kF3yWZ67IAENV xWvOcHqCrJlDmqYcssjsf82rTgtOt3Ie6KKMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.247.21 with SMTP id u21mr4695554rvh.250.1264714355551; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:35 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e8f5dd0a01d55fd7 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001281332g382dee67ub3836c9b99e7dd24@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: 503.600 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601e4b6202e743c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, JT4A now QRT - 2131utc. 73, Gary. On 28 January 2010 20:14, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi LF, > > Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome. > > 503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

JT4A now QRT - 2131utc.

73, Gary.

Thnx Rik, there= ’s not much between me and you though, just the east England fens and= then the north sea!!

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of R= ik Strobbe
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Jim,

 

you are good copy here (-18dB).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Gary= - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 22:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE:= 500 kHz JT4A

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the= decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you= up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

Hi Gary

 

Just got two decodes of= you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied with my= call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

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From: owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4W= GT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query.=

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon &a= mp; continue to see if there is a report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 min= utes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good= report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@goo= glemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van:Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

 



On 28 January 2010= 20:14, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi LF,

Running JT4A QR= P tonight, any reports very welcome.

503.600 kHz= - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

--000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-86a04b40c45c36; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:22:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9227438004E7C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSsX-00027A-HN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSsX-000271-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSsV-0004Pq-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 57606 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 16:00:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Ir2gLqZ2za8Q/D3tifZbnCCR0y/3mvNDmfJG6kUtJa2uVMroBMpdF5SiyP7dj0ZAYTbCA71PDG6YRwxw40odg/JImB4QAbuGYwISHd9uhDwOmEWm1F5KT450JTSC/ta8z/9aDRX/ntxa3T5H/YaK33a6PklxlpPb8l0zkkxrXPY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@81.132.69.88 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 16:00:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: EsR42toVM1k3XFD8nUdU5khhtjASCyFccrnIZMw5vRboD90p9DifGliNDQfbavA1ltB.pfynTv6rBsXhv13ORWrBkSxLec5qusy8hKAeUXYEtmwRE.qtaLqD4QVI07t4EKCWSZP7aVJTqctlI60UVI.60bdalNp6avdblEKnyMAiebSyX1vMZLYYIZILya9BuGTJ4U8l1xR4zWzBFQPXbH2pSBG7OloGB65_b1sAR.Ng3jKASA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7C5F25D01D5C4A4F97AAD4A6F8CDBC2E@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> In-Reply-To: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:00:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: pa0a Beacon - Correction Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b40bf4f1a54 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1530 - 1540 ut= c 030110 today at=20 rst 559. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: LF: pa0a Beacon Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1630 - 1640= utc 030110 today at=20 rst 559. 73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator jo92uc. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1530 - 1540 utc 030110 today at
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Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1630 - 1640 utc 030110 today at
rst 559.
 
73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator=20 jo92uc.
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b5c248c32f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 158F03800004C; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwQ-0004XZ-1m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwP-0004XQ-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzwO-0006n0-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA5A7B8048 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D11431E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8864218056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124114323.whynpfjghwgkcgcg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_NOVOWEL=0.131 Subject: Re: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b5c248a64e7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Eddie, no daytime copy here ;-( If you keep the beacon running after darkness I will give it another try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. =20 > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the =20 > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my =20 > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR =20 > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the =20 > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5= Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9c14b5b4b8f390; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME065-9c14b5b4b8f390; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlU1-0007K5-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlU1-0007Jw-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYlTy-0005CL-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1822103bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:17:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rzItreI8D0b2KlZGxtSlMhrqcNwoQbfRTq4xZyxoTwk=; b=PS6QPlKBVR7na4l7AQa+eyDOqmPwO5e7rA6w2o06HzZg2Vaem93yzLKiuOy8AUQpG/ 0Es/oxhw61ZezmZuQz3io3gGLVaS3Mmb89RTSK6OhzQw0omwkstVcXZK2X2TvRPL7P/w /XZ2fLji5LbcXt8+BDzlY6cyX2cAS/3gM6oKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uksbVtc4FHw1EM04M+G8+d2hU2b/WGeCQIr5X/IzY7ST/agjcdzumfJveD1ghz++2i JskY7KvVp/lKDpc38QO1mIA2qhzQnvIo0uszl8wQASML09clYamMK8JgJjzTDx/GF4gv lDtJOWqnDboZGcZX/lh0ZHNlYRTRkr7sJOcKc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.138 with SMTP id 10mr2534720bkv.110.1264274230228; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:17:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d232.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: > I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier > been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right > circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. > There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are > audible with me. > > > > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting > any decodes yet. > > Roger G3XBM > > On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for >> 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial >> (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a >> low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >> >> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put >> the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more >> to offer anyway. >> >> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth >> change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The >> coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference >> should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message >> contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync >> and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>> >>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>> >>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>> get it going is in there. >>>> >>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>> >>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >>>> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>> >>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>> >>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >>>> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >>>> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>> >>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>>>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>> >>>>> 73s >>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal informed.




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--0015175906b6643976047dd9c824-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.90]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b4b25eae7; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:21:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4636538000943; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUKC8-0001c2-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUKC8-0001bt-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUKC6-00063s-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApALAMe0SktOkeWD/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAZN4ugiELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="441388651" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.229.131]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 13:19:56 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6F949536A836435EAA682EE9E4389065@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b4b25e86ead X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim M0BMU wrote:- >You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true >QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! Tobacco tin for the TX, yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jim M0BMU wrote:-

 

>You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco ti= n for a few pounds, in true

>QRP style, although the same probably isn'= t true for the transmitter!

 

Tobacco tin for the TX,= yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) <= /font>

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5ba4b576f231b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG041-5ba4b576f231b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhfI-0008PD-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhfI-0008P4-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhfG-0000sW-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so615648bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ko2dhWcDSRN1P5VRnZtvi4qpQ8VTeR8oU6UpXf2XNSc=; b=rzuNzlqjAm9dZ5ka1rHWsg1AuGJxhlMadK15fIxElKeNkhebhbuLBegjidzaybRa1H x9XwK77k5RobFDgcSucUlRvs42f0eiLrOQUnLgZY++sACcJVruktJEqxL5jj8UYXwx29 AZp0/thrBj/2p0FpbTKAJWgJwir3CQc66VB3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RsD7bkDfR506rSWT1/Srh5Nrw63P/MCWCHJm2IEHirkao8T3L3lhIII33eiJsmt2tR mC9l9MOPeAe+8GoNx1cyoKAAxaa0nNLylhm6jnxZnqDyezcPqVFNftVcn/puQr6ArHry 5H4xT7/Nkyk9+dPhFo7y0lIPpKm+9IuuHH/SY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.84 with SMTP id f20mr243304bka.209.1264021226678; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201300g62fe9a5y734277d152a79d94@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,USERPASS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Piotr. I do understand the noise issue. I plan to run 500kHz WSPR until around the end of January so there are several days still yet. After that I will need my small mast for some HF antennas to allow me to test some homebrew 10m gear. Yes, Andy is a "big gun" signal. I think you could describe mine as a "wat= er pistol" , HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski > Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England= *please > leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch fo= r > G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > Hi Roger, > I do listen to wspr, however, it is not done on a daily basis. I live= in > a downtown area of Lodz so the EM noise is terrible, > street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours etc.. > My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr > signal ( abt 1400km) but his 200 mW erp pwr makes him > a "big gun" when compared to 1mW :) > I saw Lubos, OK2BVG reply to your mail so i guess it is a matter of= days > ( may be even hours ..) that the >1000km barrier > is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days off and i > will go outside town. Likewise Lubos > i will take my computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be a chance= to > see you on my screen. > As i will have internet access there i will issue a notice whether i= am > qrv for this 1 mW challenge :) > > > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Piotr. I do understand the noise issue.

I plan to run 50= 0kHz WSPR until around the end of January so there are several days still= yet. After that I will need my small mast for some HF antennas to allow= me to test some homebrew 10m gear.

Yes, Andy is a "big gun" signal. I think you could describe= mine as a "water pistol" , HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2010/1/20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>
=20 =20
Roger Lapthorn wrote:

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM
Hi Roger,
I=C2=A0 do listen to wspr,=C2=A0 however,=C2=A0 it is not done on a daily= basis. I live in a downtown area of=C2=A0 Lodz=C2=A0 so the EM noise is terrible, =C2=A0street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours et= c..
My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km)=C2=A0 but his 200 mW erp pwr=C2=A0 makes him
a "big gun" when compared to=C2=A0 1mW :)
I=C2=A0 saw Lubos, OK2BVG=C2=A0 reply to your mail=C2=A0 so i guess it is= a matter of days ( may be even hours ..)=C2=A0 that the=C2=A0 >1000km=C2=A0 barrier=
is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days=C2=A0 off=C2=A0= =C2=A0 and i=C2=A0 will go outside town. Likewise Lubos
=C2=A0i will take my=C2=A0 computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be= a chance to see you=C2=A0 on my screen.
As i=C2=A0 will have internet access there=C2=A0 i will issue a notice whe= ther=C2=A0 i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz/jo91rs/



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--00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b4c58402e8; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:08:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5F9B38000275; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeb3-0008Rm-Kx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeb3-0008Rd-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeb1-0005Bk-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEAGbmS0tOlCMj/2dsb2JhbACNSQbIW4QwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,261,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="421434920" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.35.35]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 11:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01ca9377$6c872d30$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: class E amp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b4c583e2036 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy and Co To take advantage of ur 50V 25A psu for a class E amp the component va= lues for 1.25Kw would be C1 =3D 0.067164uF, C2 =3D 0.086306uF in serie= s with L1 =3D 1.57936uH. RL =3D 0.99234ohms, then a suitable step up transformer for say 50 ohm= s to match a suitable antenna via a LPF (several poles at this power= to supress the harmonic content).=20 A couple of suitable FETS in parallel wouldn do the trick. I built a= class E using 60V ht some years ago for LF and it is still going wel= l. Push pull as you know helps reduce the 2nd harmonic but maybe not as= much as you think, therefore a single ended approach is more robust= with a good LPF. I am sure you have all this information anyway for class E design.The= most critical part is setting the amp up using a 'scope to avoid V sp= ikes,=20 I have no protective ccts in place but my antenna is very stable and= unaffected by the WX. =20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy and Co
To take advantage of ur 50V 25A psu= for a class E=20 amp the component values for 1.25Kw would be C1 =3D 0.067164uF, C2 =3D= 0.086306uF in=20 series with L1 =3D 1.57936uH.
RL =3D 0.99234ohms, then a suitable= step up=20 transformer for say 50 ohms to match a suitable antenna via a LPF (sev= eral poles=20 at this power to supress the harmonic content).
A couple of suitable FETS in parallel=  wouldn=20 do the trick. I built a class E using 60V ht  some= years=20 ago for LF and it is still going well.
Push pull as you know helps redu= ce the 2nd=20 harmonic but maybe not as much as you think, therefore a single= ended=20 approach is more robust with a good LPF.
I am sure you have all this info= rmation anyway=20 for class E design.The most critical part is setting the amp up using= a=20 'scope to avoid V spikes,
I have no protective ccts in place bu= t my=20 antenna is very stable and unaffected by the WX.   
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.92]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b6493b39; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD7B7380000C0; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJit-00043k-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJit-00043b-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJio-00035U-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UKF9b6011871 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: some help needed Thread-Index: Acqh5uIdgw8aHG9dTDuI4rFkRCMZEwAAO/la References: <2050490190@web.de><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <9afca2641001301156q7b6c283ctbf78ba3e36adca9a@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.200317 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028" Subject: LF: some help needed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405c4b6493b1562f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear group,=20 =20 Now i am asked if i can give any informations about the fibre optic cable= that i use. I have written a mail to the reflector in december 2009 with= all the informations about that. But i have lost this mail and cannot for= ward it any more. The subject was something with "fiber optic cable" i thi= nk. I wrote about a distributor and the type of the cable and what it cost= s and so on.=20 =20 If someone is finding this mail in the archive, could you forward it to th= e reflector, please. =20 Sri, i have changed my job, my pc, my home and there were some mails lost.= Not even qrv at the moment due to frost :-( =20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 20:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 I received the picture fine Stefan. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer Dear LF,=20 =20 Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a stra= nge design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) =20 Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give= my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. =20 I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to so= lve this problem, sri agn. =20 I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new= and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine= ! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk =20 http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgoUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAFQAAAExGOiBzb21lIGhlbHAgbmVl ZGVkAO4GAQWAAwAOAAAA2gcBAB4AFQAPAAkABgAzAQEggAMADgAAANoHAQAeABUADwAJAAYAMwEB CYABACEAAAA1MENEMzVFMTA2QUMzODQzOEUyM0UwOUQ5MDgxNzQwRQAMBwEDkAYA+BQAADgAAAAD ADYAAAAAAEAAOQAooLjr6KHKAR4APQABAAAABQAAAExGOiAAAAAAAgFHAAEAAAAyAAAAYz1ERTth PSA7cD1IU1Q7bD1GSUxFLVNFUlZFUi1IUy0xMDAxMzAyMDE1MDlaLTE0NQAAAB4ASQABAAAARAAA AFJlOiBMRjogMm5kIHRyeSBvZiBzZW5kaW5nIHRoZSBwaWMgb2YgbXkgbG9vcCBwcmVhbXAgd2l0 aCB0aGUgQkY4NjIAQABOAIA/QkXmocoBHgBaAAEAAAAjAAAAb3duZXItcnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBi 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in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thank for the report Jay , I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > > Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... > 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 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Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr351596bka.72.1264027702070; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:48:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:48:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201448i5a5e3e3ctbfbfd470ca3b7ee1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411d4b57887503e9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is AMAZING stuff! Really well done Lubos and Eddie. Eddie, we'd better leave our rigs on overnight so the USA stations can log us next :-) ...or unplug the antennas? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Eddie, LF! > > 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 > > 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > ------------------------------ > From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 > Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM > > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie** G3ZJO* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten > prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is AMAZING stuff!=A0 Really well done Lubos= and Eddie.

Eddie, we'd better leave our rigs on overnight so= the USA stations can log us next :-)=A0 ...or unplug the antennas?
73s
Roger G3XBM


On 23 January 2010 18:52,= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signals as a= waste of time=20 since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to= wait=20 for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visible= but only an=20 odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if you need an=20 immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Ok, fully underst= and Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is des= igned=20 for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit= =20 antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough= =20 said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so= will=20 put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon,= =20 WSPR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a= =20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB=20 reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= =20 this bandwidth difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between=20 the two modes.=A0 The differing message contents wont affect the=20 efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation=A0tha= t=20 matters - and they use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of you= r valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arra= nged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility= of=20 really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I&= #39;d like=20 to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test= with=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never= =20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although= after our=20 extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x=20 was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for= EME on=20 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MHz,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those=20 included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'=A0=A0 If you downl= oad and=20 read the WSJT=A0users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than= =20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in= a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to re= d=20 light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I've only ever come across A,= D and=20 G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0=20 There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are,= as far as I=20 can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.=A0=20 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight= =20 PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a similar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear= TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted somethin= g for=20 use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the=20 widest spaced varient of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0=20 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,= =A0=20 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to =A0enhance the decoder=20 routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same= S/N as=20 JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode was, even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out= to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scr= bg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate fr= om a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available= to=20 keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/50= 3.85=20 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the=20 PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both=20 the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for th= e=20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned fo= r=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guarante= ed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having= =20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to= =20 JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6= M=20 which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried=20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "<= b>JT4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might under= stand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Eddie, LF!

2214=A0=A0 4=A0 1.9=A0=A0 0.503898=A0 0 PA0A JO33= 37

2216 -29=A0 2.0=A0= =A0 0.503819=A0 0 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230=A0=A0 8=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.= 503898=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.

=A0

Lubos you have the Water Pistol,= can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

=A0

73

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

= =A0

= Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"

= 1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

= =A0

= 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>

H= ello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

= Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

= =A0

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--00032555843a2b0d96047da06298-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5ea34b560c184e; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:46:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62B03380000BD; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXK16-0002TR-6Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXK15-0002TI-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXK13-00086f-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D08C6700182A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C017A700182B for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from MartinPC (unknown [91.108.191.125]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 745D7700182A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100119194523476.745D7700182A@mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> From: "Martin Evans" To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:42:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b560c174fda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. Can't decode it, of course. Martin GW3UCJ. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b4ed7668a; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:35:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2944A38000069; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVL9o-0006tr-Hz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVL9o-0006ti-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from mail1.ssmb.com ([199.67.179.103] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVL9n-0008MC-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ny03.ssmb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id o0E8YBBt018036 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:12 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o0E8V00j020019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:11 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:37 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:36 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:35 +0000 Thread-Topic: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Thread-Index: AcqU8jCRNuHFzcVDRqqXg+ijanFPnQAAaCBQ Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372D142863@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437234639C7@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <89399F430D884B308F886D7676DFC26C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <89399F430D884B308F886D7676DFC26C@JimPC> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372D142863@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 199.67.177.41 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b4ed7640275 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, Many thanks for your test signal. Copied you the whole time with a peak of= -12db around 2pm. vy73 Marco DD7PC -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com] Sent: 14 January 2010 09:19 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT] Subject: Re: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Dear LF Group, The 136kHz WSPR beacon shut down at 0810 - thanks for all the overnight sp= ots. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-86544b62c7cb326; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA37F3800009F; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nap6M-0006Yd-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nap6L-0006YU-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:25 +0000 Received: from web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.129]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nap6J-0007ya-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264764797; bh=ss5KPK/9Og80BYQly4RezHfKcVv8XccSnM3OBlLPK2s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XhedVfceS5eXqdPezDmrrQIRdhyNoUDG5WERQhGVcGMSiJ0497j93v1Mz6SyII58pXNQq0b1bpRVYqJRSEVv7WfsiKOQxFpwOCDyN4bbiC0Tm7ADccv0zJOdUrFBu9esnPfaoy5wibTG9Aow6Be+o7Mq4nuJRWQkzHqiwPdZXsw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ms+JacTfHinMUad6T8N6E2afe1sor0HF5L+rhfRYmU0IBUP+SQPSuNE9M/2I0zc0E3LDa49NTWe+gpXRon14HdU9boCdVy8yf5C+Z9MEzf1BcOTxEHlBGXTioG93jA5sfTgDNtrzMGsBAyftceYryWB56ZWF/ioDb3pyjPjQkto=; Message-ID: <337596.18969.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5Ld2cVAVM1lf6D92SAfrTQfnRFUyGF0hJVRdMY_7Tjbat.4D4ZIe3.r9wWBsm7eXluEELVTNk.1Hz7AevkZSI_7SQJPs3rdVBuwLxl1y98tSad8hZsKVl7LCkBY.f8BxzZg7D2RZ9tIUdAAjA3xd5pyIsbyxeF.KGrhTHwO91HbVd6n23uzeIW9qTO_XrcgXILnpF0fPCmso.h32LjSCj.abt77aS4EIe6j4UMwtsptKwM8WNuxaEQfLxyRXpE5RmutIU_T8bCQliEzLYdU90aZBiqnxU1_mdBKWGafM4l1SQTb1ph1HrC1ZwywjZzjgg1c- Received: from [213.122.56.60] by web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100129111449.17892F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b62c7c92573 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, No I dont know what formulae Reg used but I am guessing he used th= e proceedures in the ITU Recommendations. I have a paper with a load of gr= aphs and I think formula it you would like it. I picked it up off the web= but I am not sure where. I checked his results on DCF39 and HGA22 and get= senible agreememt for ground condition "7". Lakihegy is more difficult to= judge here in daytime (the skywave is stronger than the groundwave) but= I took the minimum of the morning and evening dips to the pure groundwave= . Best wishes ALan G3NYK --- On Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 11:14 > Hello Alan, >=20 > I agree that the typical 500kHz QSB is indeed ionospheric > multipath causing interference. I surface wave was involved > I would only notice it with stations I can also hear during > daytime. > About Reg's program: any idea what formula's are behind it > ? >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD >=20 > PS: including some carriage returns in your mails would be > nice ;-) >=20 >=20 > At 11:57 29/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention > the late Reg's program. Your estimate is probably right and > the thing is complicated further by even in daytime the > skywave being stronger than the ground wave beyond 1000km > (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's data on DCF39 to Oporto > route) On the longer paths you cannot rely on the skywave > only consisting of one hop(whereas I believe this may be > true at short distances) there is some evidence that at > night on 500kHz there are two different paths even at quite > short distances (cf the reported very deep fading on > stations that cannot be heard in daytime....i.e the fading > is probably between two skywave path rather than ground and > skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes may be > reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than > two hop.....not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great > Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On > Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: > "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 9:22 > >=20 > > Hello Stefan, > > > ground waves (surfaces > waves) are a tricky thing. > > The assumption you made > (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) > takes only the > > 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if > > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and if the > earth would be flat. > > In reality you have 2 > additional losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > > earth curve) and ground loss. > > The bad message is > that these losses both have a more or > less 1D > > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear > > to the > distance. > > The late G4FGQ wrote a > very good DOS application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > > you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna > > efficiency, > frequency, ground type, TX power) and it > gives you the path > attenuation, > field strength at > RX end and RX antenna voltage. > > It must be on the > web on several places (google it), but in > case you > > cannot find it I can send it to you. > > Just as an > example the path loss this programme gives > for > 137kHz > and an average ground: > > 250km =3D 55.1dB > > > 500km =3D 65.3dB > > 750km =3D 74.7dB > > > 1000km =3D 83.5dB > > 2000km =3D 115.4dB > > 3000km > =3D 144.5dB > > 4000km =3D 172.2dB > > 5000km =3D > 199.0dB > > As you can see doubling the distance > "costs" far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky > wave is a different story). > > I haven't kept any > records by I think that the surface > wave limit for > > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a > > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better > of with sky waves. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi > Alan and LF, > > > > > I know there are > some of you who can easily > answer my > question that > follows :-) > > > > The maximum distance > of the groundwave at a > specific > fieldstrength E is > (about) linear increasing with the > antenna current of > > the TX antenna, right? > > So, if i have an > antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > > 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > > surrounding noise > level, same average ground > properties, same OP ;-) > )?. > > > > I > expect, that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > > beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with > 1/r, > just as > before. > > > > So, > if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > > the above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km > possible? > Sure, thats a very > theoretical question > since there will not be the same > ground conductivity > > on the whole distance but anyway. > > > > > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not > affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. > There must be > interferences with the > sky wave, so > QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave > at an > other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is present!? > > > > > If there is so much sea water between a > transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to > do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but > on > LF? > > > > Tnx for enlightning > answers... > > > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA > > Gesendet: Fr > 29.01.2010 01:51 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is > > getting > silly > > > > Ah this 500k > stuff is too easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-b5344b60349e2ea; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:42:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9ED33800004E; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na7Bs-0002kq-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na7Br-0002kh-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:11 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na7Bo-0001eC-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:11 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.135.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.135.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.135]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C438C5E23; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Bruce McCreath Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:10 -0500 Message-Id: <744105F3-A986-465B-8F39-79244A02B1A1@hurontel.on.ca> Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org To: "& UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Propagation X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b60349c1757 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Lowfers, The north-south propagation was good again last night, and I snagged the= Navtex station K from Puerto Montt Chile again...the third time in less than two weekjs! Andy, I'm glad to hear that you've solved your noise difficulties. It's= quite satisfying to resolve those problems that can drive us mad. Another source of line filters is uWave ovens that= are dead. They are generally on a small board that can be remove intact with the line cord. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.95]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5eeb4b4afbf911; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EAD5A380000A7; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHKd-0000Xi-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:17:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHKa-0000XZ-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:17:05 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUHKQ-0004ih-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEADmJSktZ8oc7/2dsb2JhbACNVQbHPYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,255,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="282320024" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.242.135.59]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 10:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.9 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,CELL_PHONE_BOOST, HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405f4b4afbee5f2f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy At least my discussion and observations about radio operators versus= appliance operators has provoked some further analysis and comments= by yourself and others. The beauty of CW and variations of the mode handled by a competent ope= rator is simplicity, just a basic TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX ju= st a regen TRF device and a good pair of Ears. The appliance operator= needs computers, appropriate software and keyboard skills to try and= achieve a similar result, and often fails. There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential= short messages, which applies to most radio amateur communications,= however if one requires large volume exchanges of messages or data th= en some mechanical or electronic support is useful as in commercial ra= dio. The machine operator/appliance operator is useful in this case,= why pay a skilled radio operaror.=20 The discerning LF/MF interesred person should start by learning the mo= rse code, build a simple TX/RX, get as much wire into the air as possi= ble(antenna) fire up and surprise yourself with the results pounding= the KEY. G3KEV =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by= Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth) WSPR/WSJT are= within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improv= ement to play with. Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and= longer and longer, but there comes a point where the ionospheric path= just won't support the signalling any more And that's it. All that's left is more EIRP, directional Rx antenna= s, noise cancellation and... For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of : "Communication in the Presence of Noise", CE Shannon, Proc. IRE= (now IEEE) January 1949 =20 which is the seminal paper that sets the -1.64dB S/N limit=20 =20 --- and --- "Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" , JP Costas, Proc IRE, Dec= ember 1959 which spells it all out in a delightfully readable way Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly= similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 -= 6dB better than the best humans ops. As shown, coding could further= improve things by another couple of dB. So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF. ? That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm concerned. Not faffing abou= t struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking for lines of differe= nt coloured dots=20 Andy www.g4jnt.com What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available= with even much better error correction and so on? What, if this softw= are is so good that a QSO to VK will be possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy
At least my discussion and observatio= ns about radio=20 operators versus appliance operators has provoked some further analysi= s and=20 comments by yourself and others.
The beauty of CW and variations of th= e=20 mode handled by a competent operator is simplicity, jus= t a basic=20 TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX just a regen TRF device an= d a good=20 pair of Ears. The appliance operator needs computers, appropriate soft= ware and=20 keyboard skills to try and achieve a similar result, and often=20 fails.
There is no substitute for a skilled= radio operator=20 to pass essential short messages, which applies to=20 most radio amateur communications, however if one= requires=20 large volume exchanges of messages or data then some mechanical= or=20 electronic support is useful as in commercial radio. The machine=20 operator/appliance operator is useful in this case, why pay a skilled= radio=20 operaror.
The discerning LF/MF interesred perso= n should start=20 by learning the morse code, build a simple TX/RX, get as much wire int= o the air=20 as possible(antenna) fire up and surprise yourself with the resul= ts=20 pounding the KEY.
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 10:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS,= CW...

There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined= by=20 Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth)   WS= PR/WSJT=20 are within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get= this=20 improvement to play with.   Of course, we can go narrower= and=20 narrower and longer and longer, but there comes a point where= the=20 ionospheric path just won't support the signalling any more
 
And that's it.  All that's left is more EIRP, directi= onal Rx=20 antennas, noise cancellation and...
 
For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of= :
 
"Communication in the Presence of Noise",  CE Shannon,&nbs= p; Proc.=20  IRE  (now IEEE)   January 1949 
which is the seminal paper that sets the  -1.64dB S/N= limit=20
  
--- and ---
 
"Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" ,  JP Costas, Pro= c IRE,=20 December 1959   which spells it all out in a delightfully= readable=20 way
 
Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a ro= ughly=20 similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4= - 6dB=20 better than the best humans ops.   As shown,=20 coding could further improve things by another couple of= dB.
 
So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF.&nb= sp;=20 ?
That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm concer= ned. =20 Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking fo= r lines of=20 different coloured dots
What=20 will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with= even much=20 better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a=20 QSO to VK will be=20 possible?

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b4ce7af293; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2ABA638000114; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUo8t-0001kG-Kt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUo8t-0001k7-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUo8r-0001FS-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80F09700009B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 749A970000A6 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.7.57]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id ED684700009B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:18:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100112211858972.ED684700009B@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:18:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b4ce7ae2158 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete, The ice will be pure water and may not conduct .. will have some= capacity implications though ! G ..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 =20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my= antenna I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 am= ps for 60 watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a= pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna= up lead glowing to full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caus= ed by the Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by= this method.=20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps= and again to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no in= crease in current.=20 =20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on= the antenna. If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insula= tor at the top of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20 The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches= long.=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete,
 
The ice will be  pure  wate= r  and=20 may not  conduct .. will have  some  capacity implicati= ons though=20 !
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna


Hi LF Group= =20

 =20

In an attempt= to=20 calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get th= ese=20 results.=20

With a wire= diameter of=20 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF appli= ed. This=20 is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (1= 2Vx0.5A=20 each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightn= ess.=20

With an estim= ated increase=20 in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did= not notice=20 any change in antenna current by this method.=20

Running the= calculation=20 through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd= size of=20 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.=20

 =20

The recent WX= at this=20 location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did= I would=20 suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inve= rted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D=20 up lead.=20

The type I us= e is a deeply=20 ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20


73 es GL=20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74b40fc163bd; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:20:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A22683800008A; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWvG-0005bA-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWvG-0005b1-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWvE-0006Fe-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 95211 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 20:19:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=X0URbv8pfugQw37lf0Z+Ma1z/0iiCU+q4HxdepkOe1zAF12cNTnAnQX7Pr4YN/vCEZF2+kmbMOxr7JZCy/k9GTm2seeqD6w0Ba4F1dWxXpjFhSG9p8F5zsgVxVWWmROFajOYuGTOrjpYOsFoJ1Lk2ma+Vt4ZalRv/SWANjB00R8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.157.27.149 with login) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 20:19:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: LvBGLJwVM1l4f2BrCJLHNUAxMGmGxy1270vi45qJa6QuHANfuxGYc3lFzaPLoahAduLsFDDpYScbbEZPI2o8GN8J5otQhsqUlVaiuHS96iOhbxUemoUAJNsxL24VqjjMgrGEBcsrhvQZAE1_huryG_Yzjrb4JHNzOS3Da08WSr2af8Gw9KbRSxDWYfSI8Xibv3Xyz1hwL0m1p96ANFflRK1iHsiKtv_5J9nD3mnN33RA4DG4nBmsanSm36D5ERjCDHGhwb0UslpEwEJDRnRIf2GDXXC.Gt.wK9Hc4zreYrGcpOIOltSj8CE5RBcY2kYRrDH4j6sh60E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <55419FA8164A45CCA0094231C642F8EC@IBM7FFA209F07C> Importance: Normal X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b40fc151314 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be Nicolas, F4DTL.... 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 03 January 2010 20:06 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: DTL Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not identified yet. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could=20 be Nicolas, F4DTL....
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Chris
Sent: 03 January 2010 20:06
To: RSGB= LF=20 Group
Subject: LF: DTL

Station sending 'DTL' over and over= again in=20 QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker stati= on approx.=20 1Hz lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.202]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-8bf84b3e1400277; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:25:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFD7238000064; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjMc-00008t-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjMc-00008i-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjMZ-0001TK-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 29991 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 15:24:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=xJbZ32rKpLmS5HeLC5ZH9vvkMUh5KKXRgUJCtSbzLp46b+7oh5fZgI+txlNzZGC2D4pG5ip3FRf/UrcRoxdMyWxL8GDK/hrlmFwuUk5HPQgNBbP1Bl+6gEI/6+DujIYbBXc6WHN8U0uLfmdmNVef2rA7FyTKMxiqyLprtK0BKlk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.132.159.6 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 15:24:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: E6.r2L0VM1lVhC.X5HqEGyOZ9Xl8h57r120_yGru2NmslvRz_VbB1rpT.ELJX.wvq4SDnJ.WuoA7vfKdL6LgxYPGWGlF7Mdzp0AZzIXUAtEiVVtqvE2QLIaNJVXU9FmEhgISUzz.4E78uJaUTx1nC1NlwmieODxr7naahrGyf1qluYg8Rm.hnM_sfwc8KxIdeK.TR.wxsoTfdTGwI1eD1PP2i4BFua6DQuACYoPVZ2ytzyYgJxBunCBF5K6VVqM4wIK7wnBbGjrNsOMZ_sEBolHVr0w.nTYupc4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4b3e13ff133e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a quick listen with the car radio, but nothing heard here so far. Check out the RC website:- http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/#home.html 73 and Happy New Year, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 01 January 2010 15:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had=20 a quick listen with the car radio, but nothing heard here so=20 far.
 
Check=20 out the RC website:-
 
 
73 and=20 Happy New Year,
 
Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 01 January 2010 15:11
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroli= ne now on=20 531Kc/s

Yes Graham the German station is winning here= at times=20 but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes=20 on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low= power but=20 can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes&= nbsp;it a=20 bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fr= i, 1/1/10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF:= Radio=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = ; German=20 station playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..q= uite =20 regular flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the&nbs= p; same=20 freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury=20 in Essex.
 
Signa= l RS 57-9=20 here in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL= =20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b5761053d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB85538000183; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgii-0007j5-Nm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgii-0007iw-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgif-0000Qm-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0KJxpGW006533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0330 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b5761031bb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) THank-you Henny for the report.. GOod to head that the signs were audible. CHeers Joe On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hello Joe, > nice capture and also audible, > best 73s > henny pa3cpm > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 18-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b3e53ab18d; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:57:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 106B8380104AC; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnMO-0001hS-9d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:40:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnMN-0001hJ-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:40:31 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQnMM-0005h6-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b3e500b4203 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI022-eabb4b50b07f1a4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:14:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 847E438000132; 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Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: 5ct6aagVM1nyUuH4thuWt0QwfwXPYQjCsHIJAQCwTsqA7E82whIfugdgi93Hcn.vR4Kmzy_VkZMxpj7f.nHP5CPJ6krAUp0SHdSDa97Tdv_ZZ1oCTKyMS4t9s1ZFu6G_.FWi2mNo5TZzKR7lsJhsz_a2pyXr63R6.q7XpYa2UIZzP1ybsM2gitRWhn9WG7acsG6R3zOlypm5JOu5m0hKOpgIBkcmHQYZdkzkWFt0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Thread-Index: AcqWBV4GjLI+CJk6SXChgiaRUEfewQAB4GzQ DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b50b07d7958 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal, I've got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz Do seem centred about 504.000 All are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur activity. Also a strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as the cat whiskers earlier which showed similar traces, but probably unrelated and local to me. 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 15 January 2010 17:06 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Dirty carrier Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Mal,
 
I've=20 got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz
Do=20 seem centred about 504.000
All=20 are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur=20 activity.
 
Also a=20 strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as the cat whi= skers=20 earlier which showed similar traces, but probably unrelated and local= to=20 me.
&nb= sp;
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
 
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 15 January 2010=20 17:06
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Dirty=20 carrier

Some one has switched a dirty carri= er on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9cd4b5b5940258; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b5b5940258; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmOg-0007mK-7W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmOf-0007mB-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:53 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmOd-0007o0-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:53 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1840312bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CiETyQBSXixOWfDzdQBjmapm5SE6GoWVI0Qm40ygqpM=; b=QXlwLNJq0F79Hq3AYYr0MgH/yaG2cfDDEyaJ5yO4lVKdEAMjMzGmiFsx2Ym6U/FRkx kdz/msUpc99GevFpHzk0TAP0HZI9YVd9ZCtBgugpoffSKJdtn6HL/nc+queT9vI/rUZL k8FxlUuMQJvouzACn2T9BM5YV1RkGux2yLzy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BfMorSMZ6x8+IY1d4fs4TE3G53UN7QV74wDW7jpojKP1yZ9GFv8wkdgHvTHC344wz5 64hogUhF9DTcHt2kkk+djdyTP3W1jdVKs/M1UKr8mDcTLh3XkVoaS+/bogk8ImQFf2++ b0wA5UG3BaKDeRHY8vBApCZ+AOX/T81fHEY2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.20 with SMTP id n20mr2601280bkn.33.1264277744948; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:15:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:44 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are *extremely* weak when CW simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: > Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from > others although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not > onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs > or cw in the first place. > Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies > alias Appliance operators > The word is ill-informedtry > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Mal informed. > > On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: > >> I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier >> been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right >> circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. >> There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are >> audible with me. >> >> >> >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >> >> Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not >> getting any decodes yet. >> >> Roger G3XBM >> >> On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >>> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed >>> for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit >>> antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as >>> my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >>> >>> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put >>> the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more >>> to offer anyway. >>> >>> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a >>> bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in >>> S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth >>> difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The >>> differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error >>> correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same >>> algorithm. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>>> >>>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>>> >>>> 73s >>>> Roger G3XBM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>>> >>>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>>> get it going is in there. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>>> >>>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, >>>>> but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>>> >>>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>>> >>>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>>>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>>>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before >>>>> long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer >>>>> provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>>> >>>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>> >>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" >>>>>> guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73s >>>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR= and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely we= ak when CW simply would not.=A0

Here's an idea: why not turnin= g your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get on?

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 Jan= uary 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Obviously not reading recent postings= about no=20 decodes=A0from others=A0although the signals are visible, like I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate= =20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, ther= e are a lot of=20 these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
I still see these data signals as= a waste of=20 time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without= having=20 to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level= 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visi= ble but only=20 an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if you need=20 an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A=20 but I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= =20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is=20 a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And mor= e=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - eno= ugh=20 said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so=20 will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For= =20 a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit wit= h a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB= =20 reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same,= so=20 this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 The differing=20 message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error= =20 correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the= =20 same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks= =20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of= your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at cer= tain=20 pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering= the=20 possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running= =20 flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and= having a=20 reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sur= e=20 there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Rog= er=20 G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was nev= er=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, altho= ugh after=20 our extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is=20 now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular and documented code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MHz,=A0=20 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to= 'try=20 out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide= =20 and other supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know= to get=20 it going is in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC= to red=20 light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I've only ever come across= A, D=20 and G being used respectively on LF, HF and=20 uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction of a dB= =20 in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or tw= o away=20 from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any= =20 fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error=20 correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= =20 but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being= too=20 wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted some= thing=20 for use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G,=20 the widest spaced varient of them=A0looked=20 suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded=20 not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified=20 the code to =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced= =20 version would be decoded with the same S/N as=20 JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode was,=20 even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was= spread=20 out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH= zwide=20 overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone= =20 energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX=20 and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.= html=A0=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to= =20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing=20 information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the=20 503.7/503.85 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest,=20 bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type" wa= veforms=20 will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned= =20 for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is= =20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but= may=20 contribute to dissolving the nether and polar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lap= thorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hav= ing=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 referenc= e=20 to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes= like=20 JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz bu= t=20 never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direct= ion of=20 a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something si= milar that I=20 might understand, please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-a98c4b3fbf4a4e; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:48:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3C94C38000057; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRBp0-0007Ev-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRBp0-0007Em-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRBoy-0008Dp-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o02LlcKI011370 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:47:39 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:47:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:47:38 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: So much acitvity :-) Thread-Index: AcqLNtIE5luBZzOPRmO5I5t/ab7mfwAvaz0M References: <1160510449@web.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.654;02.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.2.213919 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8BF5.33B4A4A3" Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b3fbf4a124f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8BF5.33B4A4A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, =20 It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for his= fine QSOs! And to M0BMU, IK1HSS, EW6GB and all the other active OMs :-) =20 I am envious that i am not qrv this evening... 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air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-60d4b535b8a7c; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:49:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG124-60d4b535b8a7c; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:48:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWa9j-0008OG-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWa9i-0008O7-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:22 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWa9g-0008PT-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:22 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2010 18:47:11 -0000 Received: from p5DC4386D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.56.109] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 19:47:11 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dkQ5aGiTdJSPgDEN3noOAuKgNE1GTpolNqFFn20 lOB9mExZ6vTncn Message-ID: <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:46:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? Or do I miss your point? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noise on spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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--000e0cd112dcf461b4047e2c940c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-86304b5c65a922d; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5272380000BA; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4HJ-0006nB-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4HJ-0006n0-H2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4HH-00009I-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so1470926pzk.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1ROxxnIMH6TZLCiXjs1wN+5MO2xZLav6/oPTvugYJkM=; b=GjuuTSdzZD2Urq51uv54iJkss8GI8jSbNjYVZ/cwDr8A03ZlUZ9DEoyho8E21AzLi1 gFRGRsJSy2DhxdWiBOeIKjtyKKVawek6RfX1uOi/tPtMP5GR04Mfx27ZTd4+aXWA3B3o B23cy94txyQ6Li1k8HonySLXLwjwakJYzE8jE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cmvz+reDgbr94FD5x/Cpj/mK+UWWT1hcyhfu7xtyVu/pAzAlTBaHHv8ygRQy6FnSc6 p+gJpnene56KeoNK4yq9eDL2NQAmXnO7nYBiYzo1TYZXgPg0DIS5kgC309NK3sfsfEJY NY9gmr0+xySLGcEvfZmo3nYD4e2aTtjk58gms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.188.23 with SMTP id l23mr3744626waf.40.1264346481157; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001240721k59ccb9aeha8d5e2897fd6d3c7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ , AGC last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b5c65a724bf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report and the 'grabber' ! Yes WD2XGJ was QRO last night. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:03 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello Warren , Roman , > > Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b5c249b79; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A81E38000088; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwj-0004Xm-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwj-0004Xd-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzwf-0006nA-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 18272 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1cw0NbTweaqEqSOHp543dDlIt7r5VoJZ/0xJKTUlBn9cZYbSwRuXhMPgX6M6MrG3ISxwY8at/eKYvWW8HJ/WfNvScolnQunX91hNkMUT+tcyjORbhtCtGoNTmz0FG42VvCpWmHOVgEiH/Km/4OCpsUAh45dHSCCfW1HGArHZVw0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:43:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: KIIVaTUVM1lZv5.vJeEYIizqq1brvMPId9C5QZgCG4EkGdf6XPoZzYbGO.zx8SPRQUfmpkXjaDZMhLqRLRtmJ0_Oqm8.Ffh.FBjcHbhqDQxHa1UZmtZhLhr89.cwYcM.ITHAdmzqpZ77Hq6VATXwU.ykPDz2xMGBTWcf8DK00nBUhEFoyOPQJnFbp8L2XNZ4nO9U041vx3aS_CyEciMLiDYKjEK.RQ06DIPE.WruztG_rg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01CA9CE2.1C248DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b5c2499636b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01CA9CE2.1C248DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Eddie, LF Group, "O" Copy here... see attachment. 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multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b58c8dc3c5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Andy, Thanks for report Jim & comments Andy. Must be at my end. As far as I can see it should be decoding, I will check the sampling rate calibration if I can work it out :-(( I monitored HF bands with JT65A & no problem, thought it would be just as good with JT4A on 500. I will QRT now & try again tomorrow night. Thanks for your patience Jim. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 James Moritz > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replying > to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX message), but > obviously not OK at your end! > > 205200 21 -3 2.0 -77 26 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205400 14 -8 1.9 -77 25 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205600 10 -15 1.9 -74 21 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205800 20 -4 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 > 210000 20 -8 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 > 210200 17 -4 1.9 -74 23 * NIL G4WGT 1 0 > 210400 19 -6 1.9 -74 22 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 210600 21 -4 1.8 -74 22 * NIL DECODE 1 0 > 210800 0 -24 0.5 131 21 > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > > > > LF, >> >> Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to >> 503.700 kHz. >> >> 73, >> >> Gay - G4WGT. >> >> > > --000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, Andy,

Thanks for report Jim & comments Andy.= Must be at my end.

As far as I can see it should= be decoding, I will check the sampling rate calibration if I can work it= out :-((

I monitored HF bands with JT65A & no problem, thou= ght it would be just as good with JT4A on 500.

I= will QRT now & try again tomorrow night. Thanks for your patience Jim= .

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com= >
Dear Gary, LF Group,

Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replyin= g to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX messa= ge), but obviously not OK at your end!

205200 21 =A0 -3 =A02.0 =A0-77 26 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205400 14 =A0 -8 =A01.9 =A0-77 25 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205600 10 =A0-15 =A01.9 =A0-74 21 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205800 20 =A0 -4 =A02.0 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0QRZ G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210000 20 =A0 -8 =A02.0 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0QRZ G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210200 17 =A0 -4 =A01.9 =A0-74 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0NIL G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210400 19 =A0 -6 =A01.9 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210600 21 =A0 -4 =A01.8 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0NIL DECODE =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0
210800 =A00 =A0-24 =A00.5 =A0131 21


Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>=
To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A



LF,

Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to<= br> 503.700 kHz.

73,

Gay - G4WGT.




--000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b40e15146; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:26:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FE1238000097; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV8X-0003gD-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV8W-0003g4-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRV8U-0005Vg-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7F802700008D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 729DB7000070 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2E823700008D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103182458190.2E823700008D@mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:24:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b40e13c3a21 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, ''''so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.'''' Everyone can write software .. but not everyone can press the keys in the right order ! Talking of 'key's' its starting to look like Mal has been right for a long time .. the effort required to generate anything more than a on/off carrier on 500 is taking it through the 'fun' barrier for most operators .. and the stability requirements of the likes of wspr leaves one open to a little technical banter .. what other mode has 'banana' as one of the accepted report's (at least please send with other foot takes some time to key) ATB 2010 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:16 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > Pete, > > There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be > kept simple. > Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the > tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. > As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward), > so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting M0FMT : > >> Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal >> controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving >> the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power >> aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game. Then use the >> readily available Software that can be down loaded for free.... no >> brain surgery required. >> >> 73 es GL petefmt >> >> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >> From: Andy Talbot >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >> >> There is a way... >> >> If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the >> four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. >> This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the >> other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the >> oscillator. >> >> Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. >> See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR >> message and the PIC code >> >> The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but >> with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a >> standalone manually trigerred mode. >> >> Perhaps there's a demand here... >> >> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC >> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf >> A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial >> port and PIC based dongle... >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health >> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to >> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> >> 2010/1/3 Graham >> >: >>> Roger >>> >>> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' >>> >>> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf >>> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional >>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No >>> good >>> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo >>> controlled >>> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code >>> set .. >>> Its a good point worth making though ... >>> >>> G.. >>> From: Roger Lapthorn >>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >>> To: >>> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >>> Mal, >>> >>> Some suggestions: >>> >>> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >>> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz >>> slice >>> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >>> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room >>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of >>> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to >>> use >>> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if >>> interference >>> to weak signals is likely. >>> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >>> less". >>> >>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>> >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >>> > >>>> >>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >>>> and >>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>>> G3KEV >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.11]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5eb44b5a1db9289; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:50:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A89538000062; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYROB-0003pw-BT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYROA-0003pl-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:58 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRO7-0007tH-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:58 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so634579fge.10 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:49:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=75t5cHAmrgjZ5A8r8ZTcBQkbk71KV/G2+KDgjLwQcng=; b=KJHMJ3DIcss2GUkGw9GDyia7c85eZH71GXMjuMFzG7zjlhYPS/Tvo/RMtuLgS1BNzG +htzCl9ED1+ON5a3fEnUHjr0Qbd/43hK4rnlRbJmMnBzequzdqmrFxVBMypZxtpdirCF 1L2mjKZQhRuN5WnVhG84dCGnluUtxCfdMWhcw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ROHOLJz/6urNiv3+C2K9pYeF9MChwm3UQumz+QHjQ9B08eBiDGd28XOttYNLKN+M60 DQwRcnSEQRDkwEToPg/0bI2XXtS3SN2s3RjcEPxWkQixA1OAPZC4m25eyS0gXwjpx3tL fBxXNIw5mYCgc1vDIqEjTO7NNew7zJWW4ooeM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.146 with SMTP id p18mr381967hbh.208.1264196994602; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:49:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122224217.gm8o4dichs0o4wcs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122224217.gm8o4dichs0o4wcs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4b5a1db70546 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That sync figure not 'poor'. The mode will decode with values as low as 3 or 4. Just not as good as it could be in pure noise at that S/N. Pulse type QRM interferes with the decoding process more than poor S/N does. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Andy, > > thanks. > I just decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync = 11 , dB = -2. > Not sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black > background. > What else could cause the poor sync ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Andy Talbot : > > See annotations below >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >> Sync = 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM >> dB = -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to >> 2.5kHz) >> DT = 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both ends >> DF = -107 -107Hz tuning error >> W = 33 Not sure - >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > --001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That sync figure =A0not 'poor'.=A0 The mode will decode with= values as low as 3 or 4.
=A0Just not as good as it could be in pure noise at that S/N.
=A0
Pulse type QRM interferes with the decoding process more than poor S/= N does.
2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,

thanks.
I just= decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync =3D 11 , dB =3D -2.
Not= sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black backgr= ound.
What else could cause the poor sync ?

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20


Quoting Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:<= br>
See annotations below

A= ndy
www.g4jnt.com<http://www.g4jnt= .com>


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>>=20

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual= but maybe the =A0figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim ma= y give a clue:
Sync =3D 9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Not brilliant for -2dB= S/N =A0 but blame the bad QRM
dB =3D -2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Very good signal (This is the S/N no= rmalised to 2.5kHz)
DT =3D 0.0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Timing spot-on,= no error between clocks at both ends
DF =3D -107 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= -107Hz tuning error
W =3D 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Not sure= -

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T
--001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9d64b50f95832f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:25:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME092-9d64b50f95832f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:25:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVvWU-0001RC-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVvWU-0001R3-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVvWS-0004RU-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A9F91C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D7C31C00091 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.230]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2690F1C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100115232402158.2690F1C00087@mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should be) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With a bit of luck GB4FPR live CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon .....= ... no email access at the station ,=20 Tnx G .. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With a  bit of  luck GB4FPR=  =20 live  CW  502.0  Saturday afternoon ........
no email access at  the  st= ation ,=20
 
Tnx G ..
 
 
 


------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA102-a774b577f7287; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:11:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b577f7287; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:11:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXikh-0000aP-0A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXikg-0000aG-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXike-0001Jz-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5ED3B4EB for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:27 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100120221027.3512dd06@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Roger, Lubos=20 Well done both stations! I was trying to work out if any part of the Shetland archipelago would lie beyond the magical 1000km, for a /P RX operation, but now I don't need to! That's great news and a testament to Lubos's RX setup, the ionosphere and Roger's tenacity to stick at it. Great to see! John GM4SLV On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:18 +0100 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: >=20 > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: >=20 > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >=20 > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 >=20 > Congratulation! >=20 > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > =20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Nov=C3=A1 Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s= ten prav=C3=BD? 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Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b42606f27e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:41:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 80F9D3800684C; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuXU-00026r-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuXU-00026i-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuXR-00059h-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from p5DD34DBD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.77.189] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 22:32:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LR80jHASLM0U0Y0KMJ5G2Vwe8KLUMvYVcYUCrkE vMXSQn/Vy/EcPX Message-ID: <04c801ca8d85$687dc480$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04C5_01CA8D8D.C6ED8340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b425ead26c1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_04C5_01CA8D8D.C6ED8340 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:22:10 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123182210.51u2kvjtxcwssg00@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:22:10 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b5b309c4489 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, no copy here either, nor a visisble trace that could pint on a JT4A signal. What is your TX frequency ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Jim, > > Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing seen yet, keep it > going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? & USB, it > probably is but you didn't state which JT4x. > > I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as > before on 503.600 kHz. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowburn > > wrote: > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-a9304b50c2a629; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:31:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4024438000104; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrsh-0005Ft-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrsh-0005Fk-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrsf-00065B-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1263583842; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=k0uM6Zj0Krr/fmo47490uA9zHYrXomjmXnWMOOHXzStLUi1tOe9A044OzuJVe2UrC PfJlhUBdogsH5JjI+2Y1YtFHeXHW5d8MG2GZdEOpaoTfjzy3wzbdv7SsVsQEeZFqyj obkVJuzRnWwJu2zZ7TSSqFbNTRBr+uRBqW5JS0y8= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFXBSTMASAKECS for (sender ); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vuK15kFFlKKvrqaZAxoeAh8+zDLNb1nS6A== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P4CEFH2S; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:29:21 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20100115.142821.1508.1.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-10,12,14,16,18-19,21,23-26,28-32767 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 6069 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3204821416 X-MAIL-INFO:393e0ebb8adb2acbdfbf1ad35b6a8a4ac3b70afa9a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_4d6d.24a3.4a7b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24b50c2a5512d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----__JNP_000_4d6d.24a3.4a7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernon, thanks for the report and listening. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 vmath@eastlink.ca writes: Hi all...left the rig running all night ... 2010-01-15 08:14 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -2 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 08:12 WD2XSH/10 0.503838 +2 0 EM95tg +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 1828 1136 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -4 0 FN42pb +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 701 436 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -4 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 07:16 SM6BHZ 0.503924 -26 0 JO57wq +27 0.501 VE1VDM FN85ij 5087 3161 2010-01-15 07:04 PA0A 0.503899 -21 0 JO33de +37 5.012 VE1VDM FN85ij 4916 3055 Regards Vernon - VE1VDM Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees ) ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. 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Vernon, thanks for the report and listening.  73  Bob = =20 WD2XSH/37
 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 vmath@eastlink.ca writes:

Hi all...left the rig running all night ...

 2010-01-15 08:14   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -2   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 
 2010-01-15 08:12   WD2XSH/10   0.503838   +2   0   EM95tg   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   1828   1136 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/17   0.503891   -4   0   FN42pb   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   701   436 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -4   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 

 = ; =20
 2010-01-15 07:16   SM6BHZ      0.503924   -26   0   JO57wq   +27   0.501   VE1VDM   FN85ij   5087   3161 
 2010-01-15 07:04   PA0A        0.503899   -21   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   VE1VDM   FN85ij   4916   3055 

 

Regards Vernon - VE1VDM

Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500= '=20 longwire ( 0 degrees )

 


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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE" Subject: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b5e45c57ccd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Group,=20 I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and OPA= s for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well...=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; 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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 463FD3800012A; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsZ-0005Vn-DW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsY-0005Ve-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQsW-00041R-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so12418705fxm.4 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.244.4 with SMTP id k4mr456161hbq.193.1263241717231; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [86.179.155.14] In-Reply-To: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: From: PETER CLEALL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b4b8a3f0ff2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the search criteria before you critise and beleive that failure to have a qso with you is a failure to contribute to LF/MF regards peter G8AFN 2010/1/11 mal hamilton > Om > Like you suggest two licences A and B > > Licence A > Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering > iron to build a wireless and communicate. > > Licence B > Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf > especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize > Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this > class would be most suitable.for them. > > What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall > when we had a QSO or heard you. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto di Bene" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering > involved > > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > > frequencies. > > > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO > kinds > of ham radio licenses... > > > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques > or experiment old ones, either by building > > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where > "communication" is to be intended with the > > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever > radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to > talk > with other B-licensed persons, usually of > > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, > or by operating a mechanical switch that > > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) > carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with > substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... > Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the= search criteria before you critise and=A0 beleive that failure to have a= qso with you is=A0 a failure to contribute to LF/MF

regards
peter G8AFN

2010/1/1= 1 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Om
Like you suggest two licences A and B

Licence A
Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate.

Licence B
Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf
especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize<= br> Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them.

What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall<= br> when we had a QSO or heard you.

G3KEV



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto di Bene" <di= bene@usa.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...


> > Self-training =3D learning somethin= g, by your own endeavours
> >
> > Radio Communications =3D the whole gamut of science & engine= ering involved
> > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at rad= io
> > frequencies.
> >
> > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in rea= l time
> > to undertake this "self-training"?
>
> There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO= kinds
of ham radio licenses...
>
> License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techni= ques
or experiment old ones, either by building
> themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication,= where
"communication" is to be intended with the
> meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatev= er
radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs"
>
> License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to= talk
with other B-licensed persons, usually of
> subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulat= ion,
or by operating a mechanical switch that
> interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave)
carrier... =A0let's call them "Rags Chewers"
>
> If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with<= br> substantial fines in case of invasion of the other
> slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever..= .
Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags
> Chewers with Rags Chewers....
>
> 73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD
>
>
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--00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.95]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b4f209a139; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:48:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 93C8F380000ED; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQ1d-0008B2-6o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQ1b-0008At-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:11 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVQ1X-00035A-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:10 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so16524469bwz.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:46:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BNqtcwz3gz0+ri9y54s+q0rLifeBvvrGlC0no3Z9jVo=; b=oy1o5jNlzvDmcpU4wA3QgoIQ/6rSAY+4zz9c/IBoUeAr6CXAKAppHFRY8WlDO7cstZ Cxkb0uMCoKillxkST3MUMFjC/SG5++WLoR/Bsf7aW78TJskvfcBnHl2FXTOIdooFZ8hw hKKUkYBxDxOzMJlCadmPN4VjnzXlbkoNuZlNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=himO7sE3i7H45HCzAIuOJkUpBYJr0N5Coj4TLko5wLflNDX9za264tCUqPerfnO0Uk P3Dek/5mR+sa0M9wJr1KgVtLciwZHnmhP6aXFYcgPH6SzCc1W5xOE+sIVJrVAaTLrngI jeQuYD/OuOixxxKc/zbWSZHTtlQt6f/llDnQQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.3 with SMTP id f3mr453908bkf.140.1263476761720; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:46:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405f4b4f20974786 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You mean derive it from the *transceiver's* master oscilllator. Yes, a good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well be on "grown up" radios. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 Andy Talbot > If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's master > oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any > frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output > frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. > > Just an example: > The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from > 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily > divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > > My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about >> 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to >> adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the >> oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I >> start TXing. >> >> At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature >> LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as >> his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger >> temperature range. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi guys, >>> >>> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 >>> MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >>> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >>> >>> Thanks all the comments. >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >>> >>> Dear LF Group, >>>> >>>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >>>> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You mean derive it from the transceiver's master oscilllator.= Yes, a good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but= may well be on "grown up" radios.

73s
Roger G3XBM
=
2010/1/14 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn= @gmail.com>

My own QRP tran= sverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before= settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the= dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator runni= ng all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,<= br>
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz wo= uld be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past= 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885=

73, Rik





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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA99BE.44845680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b734b56f8911af; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD045-b734b56f8911af; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:35:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZlZ-0006Ur-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZlY-0006Ui-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXZlV-0005ay-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so39536bwz.29 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:34:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rMOQkbj231yUqdpdoxq1JDD1MBPCAUNwvvN5O03gy8k=; b=PHpDSJm9TF2udqPz4i9iJGIZ7PyxEnOQLmu1u8pjuylQLiEYHDzSKw1aKtMattcVmG gavkUufRA6Oq/FOCPnzUx/TSY9O1rvEPFUCz34SAcw0+bnpdGEjpz1T0GIbysBUrCQc3 03PKjlir9nF+ukQO3doL/5K+3ikYZKzXrKlM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hoEZ0JYY+EdNVP3vNQqAcbApwHJdLNXQf5Apr9xR9ylOtkZDvTpu72Mxk2xtk9utb/ GgMNImiVDwNaPhyEEs+RRaTfDDZApvrkLGbyaPL88UrmvuROO6Z4fIQwaTH0X6Pd4MvR wWt/bsyIr2lRnvMkiAtGt6h6vHTm/Deary4vc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.131 with SMTP id h3mr5082183bkd.53.1263990862159; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:34:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001200434r5ea7bc2bmdf59d615f4bde73f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos, Thank you *so much* for your efforts. I hope you will be successful in receiving my signal in the countryside location. My WSPR signal will be on 500kHz every evening and night this week from around 1900z until 0800z eac= h day. Last night, the best DX report for me was 960kms into JN68. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger! > I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some days ago. > So... > I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I moved them on my portable > QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE aerial for 500kHz ther= e. I > started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It will be receiving continuo= usly > some days and nights. I have got Internet line from my cottage to my hom= e > hamshack, so I am able to see what is written in WSPR window there. > It will be interesting test, I think. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 > From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the > night > > > All, > > I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for= a > few more nights. Beating my personal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited= not > by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms ran= ge > staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy. > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England= *please > leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch fo= r > G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ------------------------------ > Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s > ten prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos,

Thank you so much for your efforts. I hope you will= be successful in receiving my signal in the countryside location. My WSPR= signal will be on 500kHz every evening and night this week from around 19= 00z until 0800z each day.

Last night, the best DX report for me was 960kms into JN68.

73s=
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG= <bvgbob@hotmai= l.com>
Hello Roger!
I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some= days ago.
So...
I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I mov= ed them on my portable QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE= aerial for 500kHz there. I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It= will be receiving continuously some days and nights. I have got Internet= line from my cottage to my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is wri= tten in WSPR window there.
It will be interesting test, I think.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN8= 8KS
=A0

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@g= mail.com
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Euro= pe - please listen through the night

=
All,

I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--000325559a9256a231047d97cee3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b40be0a14; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1550380000B5; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSn0-0001z3-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSn0-0001yu-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSmy-0004Mm-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 25653 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 15:54:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=W/R8srrw/OOAS0IlxRibczevjslsqRU8cvO9HkGZhAgMLnWMv/GZxlvAALj1bZwpGjWhOe4om4Zc2qJI3t7MKJ9VvJ3FU2tI5KJOlWh6T6T1fSHoeh75QnMwqhnf0F9fYCyLV6CWsswytYy5jdVgEZLNlU/AdJH5aiOsZSe2Uig= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@81.132.69.88 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 15:54:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: pHtn7LIVM1n5NcWPVNtYajihijincYcAe4.ChWIyDN9zVtxN5w9wBS5zyS.JsVyuDqAYRY0LtZrxtIAc5AZpUFMFLOajxbwPLDjtLZrYSZ5wPnyfAcc8b6ouz7YAbYlYCnWz9pRfIRauN9M2Iam9hgswuNhAov0OWWTdXSS2fa61wmc97QPhyUZWoKyg0Gc8LejfKYiiEg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:54:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: pa0a Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b40be093759 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1630 - 1640 ut= c 030110 today at=20 rst 559. 73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator jo92uc. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1630 - 1640 utc 030110 today at
rst 559.
 
73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator= =20 jo92uc.
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b40bf22174; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:00:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F9E43800141B; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSrJ-00025b-Rx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSrJ-00025Q-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSrG-0004PV-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so5417066fxm.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:59:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tPVQG3OKW+HaTcEOruwuXihhlyzrUqdx7Q6KkihwUlQ=; b=OAKE/dUtuterlenPHNgUWo1dUNcVJzIlKchbYNErJd4JXElVA+JICbH5AY7Frf7+cg h+cjaI5cBa77kZLvxueotsM9OrS4u/oYrCCKkwslmBTp2k92SYmUuR+aJTZFioAgxH4b Cixl25BYRYYK1l7NLXVPiCz1mmuqjPHS//3Wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CMimfia0CteJA1slxUDTOk6MXa4l0kLceqlpi8yEx7uvnN625vf4mZibILXXRzrdxZ H4zYVL0QzaEo4Fy9SxzVB9NzbjocEPGVYmUeNEhxY5X7/0/gM4hIGrJ9rtsRZmpRCm+y jtozk92yRJ2vsXB2uZmWN2wBHPhgdDqN+l3A8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.142 with SMTP id l14mr587621hbd.43.1262534344615; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:59:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b40bf0064a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) There is a way... If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the oscillator. Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR message and the PIC code The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a standalone manually trigerred mode. Perhaps there's a demand here... WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial port and PIC based dongle... Andy www.g4jnt.com Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/3 Graham : > Roger > > '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' > > That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf > carrier=A0frequency =A0conversion,=A0=A0...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 conv= entional > transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good > if you=A0 have dividing logic in the=A0amplifier =A0drive train , vfo=A0= controlled > or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. > Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... > > G.. > From: Roger Lapthorn > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice > of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use > this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce > to weak signals is likely. > You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >> >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-a6fc4b60855b2d9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:26:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB05638000077; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCZh-0003Vp-0q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCZg-0003Vg-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaCZe-0004uG-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 73CB57000088 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 63DF07000089 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.49.78]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1BE1E7000088 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100127182458114.1BE1E7000088@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <168F7F330270493183FC0D8F85E4B729@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:24:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b6085597bbd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Jay Yes odd night as the signals into EU where quite low , no spots from the SV station either ....very deep qsb , even Finbar faded out at one time ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:14 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > > Graham > > Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, > there was room to spare with the two spots at > -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the > pond! > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > > >> Thank for the report Jay , >> >> I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult >> cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi >> >> 73 - G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >> Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT >> >>> >>> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >>> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD >>> FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk >>> +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-60e4b4e3faf27a; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:49:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG125-60e4b4e3faf27a; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:48:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB40-00058s-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB40-00058h-1x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVB3w-0003co-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: by pxi27 with SMTP id 27so220234pxi.4 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MuwDm2gPrRoC0o1fV90gkKYrcFQHxST2eNCXFQCud3Q=; b=uNdU2iEiYmudMomQyv67LUXArO1NYI4WSQ+77t2g8g1MUnUJQwn7N0a/UTeIFNECAq EhGqR0i7qTCyAwNykFc8TuRyOm9f+Y7EWNhofXnsjem6ez9Us/wDx19HIrGlZ/U6PYv3 CAnuGrsNqdQKB27L9Rux7wFrcVouCooUmbBrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=eGTug27NpuSLlpWsS9ECbVNyZUz/ociIa5z4dqQdPxXc9pBH2yHGBAwQ3qlqdS753b oIjdytkxFw6+5qHtadK34brv32E51iPEFWbI9HyQVTX+pSkSSpC9XQ5yap6e5SWaNIbW A9GpBOkMeCRL+VniYa+NSwwaqClCFuhybFx0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.213.30 with SMTP id p30mr1161766rvq.162.1263419248548; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:47:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 440b3c6c40dbbe5b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=00151748e84c831dd5047d12b701 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --00151748e84c831dd5047d12b701 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff --00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this signal. 73 Gary - G4WGT --00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi,

Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this signal.

73

Gary - G4WGT
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19y7cboVM1lzcvvqMNi_eQMWT8PcqXcWovSrB5XGUfbfCOazZfdV2b7e0GFfrh2vbN6YxD_SL1r0NKnxomfo1Yed9z9L03HZ3JWf2OEGlPzowmFOZ83JKfS1TskZdAcYpnu_cCvFTe_smkDuOqjx9lzSORQO4XRmTWtBHVZkNMzCLbsi6deFuwukCVEGiKGPKZSYApDFqfM3nU8MuBXr7ta.wrJK_qoxwI9ao1rZa208.v0k918dP5A5X_d6NAnrNxbdYX5OCQ069UFNrbwJ8wC5zV3nF7lTRHTcKR7O2nwlc8mSaQcTwmH0Z70GqrPYocQ- Received: from [213.122.56.60] by web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:57:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:57:33 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894b62bf7674b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention the late Reg's progra= m. Your estimate is probably right and the thing is complicated further by= even in daytime the skywave being stronger than the ground wave beyond 10= 00km (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's data on DCF39 to Oporto route) On the= longer paths you cannot rely on the skywave only consisting of one hop(wh= ereas I believe this may be true at short distances) there is some evidenc= e that at night on 500kHz there are two different paths even at quite shor= t distances (cf the reported very deep fading on stations that cannot be= heard in daytime....i.e the fading is probably between two skywave path= rather than ground and skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes may= be reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than two hop...= ..not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 9:22 >=20 > =20 > Hello Stefan, >=20 >=20 > ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. >=20 > The assumption you made (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) > takes only the > 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. >=20 > In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > earth curve) and ground loss. >=20 > The bad message is that these losses both have a more or > less 1D > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear > to the > distance. >=20 > The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna > efficiency, > frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path > attenuation, > field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.=20 >=20 > It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in > case you > cannot find it I can send it to you. >=20 > Just as an example the path loss this programme gives > for 137kHz > and an average ground: >=20 > 250km =3D 55.1dB >=20 > 500km =3D 65.3dB >=20 > 750km =3D 74.7dB >=20 > 1000km =3D 83.5dB >=20 > 2000km =3D 115.4dB >=20 > 3000km =3D 144.5dB >=20 > 4000km =3D 172.2dB >=20 > 5000km =3D 199.0dB >=20 > As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). >=20 > I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface > wave limit for > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 >=20 > At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: >=20 > Hi Alan and LF, >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I know there are some of you who can easily > answer my > question that follows :-) >=20 > =20 >=20 > The maximum distance of the groundwave at a > specific > fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the > antenna current of > the TX antenna, right? >=20 > So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > surrounding noise > level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) > )?. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I expect, that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, > just as > before. >=20 > =20 >=20 > So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > the above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? > Sure, thats a very > theoretical question since there will not be the same > ground conductivity > on the whole distance but anyway. >=20 > =20 >=20 > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. There must be > interferences with the > sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave > at an other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is present!? >=20 > =20 >=20 > If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but on > LF?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Tnx for enlightning answers... >=20 > =20 >=20 > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA >=20 > Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 >=20 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is > getting > silly >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! >=20 >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.203]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b3f73d014; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:26:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD50338000B2B; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR6ml-0004Hs-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR6ml-0004Hj-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR6mi-0006i9-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugEALMBP0tcGJzk/2dsb2JhbACCF40zwiyEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="402876590" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.156.228]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 16:24:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4b3f73ad6268 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow in for QSB, QRS 3 would= be better for me. Stil daylight here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His signal= is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow= =20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject: LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA,= on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2B= VG,=20 JN88KS

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b4f7aa0312; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:12:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 331FE3800011A; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVW29-00023i-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVW29-00023Z-3F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVW26-000756-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4186477pwj.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=47Hnr/0TbjiBsyUvjcZpgpIRJlvEE4k6p6V9SLXRpjg=; b=C8Snv89RRaQRWDJ7IusbWI5KfnG7GKcLvgBbaMG7ByNSvGoUiejq4Ac8cVWtad+Cds VEr5STTZHTc3HGSiKlq143kD6nJOavc/3p1Hi5qO4IE4iBAXIk1cUN/KF0CC8UcZ7Axe PLYq3lbej8cJkdtxdPhJtNkzdXc1lPNC9i9FU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QS1TbYIxdlqToDVaOM84uaxjx7Xu8cbycIH2zSDIR+0+eI5ZW6VGQIr/JfkBwQMow4 J8hALxnhyMgITUt1M2JfO9AZsN1nlWo+h0/DZMt3Ki0cBnkztl2v762q9iF3Z4KeuBJZ FsfRpTV3gCrWR2cr3ID8f6NfS9s5XSPsGxiNE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr927281rvl.194.1263499859654; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66967e5345975b85 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b4f7a9e0eeb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All at LF, Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios using my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple of NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it was there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the signal not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had disappeared as well. You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card is an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Tracey, > > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID :- > > 498.7 > *NT* 0 UNID XUU > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if > it gets strong enough. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > > Hello Gary >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there are a >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> Tracey >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that >> frequency. >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be >> interested. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >>> >>> Hi LF! >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> Roman RW3ADB. >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All at LF,

Update on previous mails regarding 498.80= 0 kHz.

The signal is not really there, I tried to= Rx it on my "real" radios using my 500 kHz vertical & there= was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple of NDB's a little lower= at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it was there good &= strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber.

My next move was to connect to another sound card &= ; not only was the signal not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash &a= mp; other interference had disappeared as well.

You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card= is an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Tracey,

Thanks, I have looked at the list & the= nearest is the following UNID :-

498.7 NT 0=A0 =A0UNID =A0XUU =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL 2 2005-08-28 =A0=A0

Not=A0sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I= can copy an ID when/if it gets strong enough.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>

Hello Gary
=A0
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
=A0
=A0
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
=A0
Tracey
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010= 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whic= h=20 looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment),=A0but nothing on my lists for= =20 an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few= kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the= HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may= be=20 interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.



--000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.221]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b5a183f204; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61E8138000131; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYR1Q-0003Kv-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYR1P-0003Km-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:27 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYR1M-0007h8-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:27 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1706217fxm.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L9K4FuQjanbkw7YSBXqladxBWuRwJ+lx+tLeDQYKA1w=; b=mAqyyInlM9VuU7p1X3mqqJ/MxNcKMBdRl5XgQJ5msFz2MPmZZz2hKvKC/ewKlmN4PA fGU4+dnUTfUXzldKmSmxF8vqn+86ixWgCM8Yh4nD5C+a88b/SlTfy1Zikn13HhK3fuh7 OaH4YqMdLDbI3ke5lTUhNvkK5c18HjlHqchAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v+nNfQDaofgB3fFXk+8qb9GaA8MjnsyqNSiGSFLIMGeHHq6bKJGD2JjSSqAMWNG2rF CTWiqlv/oJd4j4ndFeU/kqUFdKzN7+KhIXNOLAEcHlAC7pmpD9G5xfAWFh9cJp2ThGXx bAJrVrAlXXOrUI1QGoTpFjlEW0SBHJUe0JrGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.148 with SMTP id p20mr395688hbh.7.1264195578258; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b5a183d1f48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 See annotations below Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures > WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync = 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM > dB = -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to > 2.5kHz) > DT = 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both ends > DF = -107 -107Hz tuning error > W = 33 Not sure - > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > > Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See annotations below
=A0
2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
As said I haven't read any= instructions / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readab= le copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N=A0= =A0 but blame the bad QRM
dB =3D -2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to 2.5kHz)
DT =3D= 0.0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Timing spot-on, no error between= clocks at both ends
DF =3D -107=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -107Hz tuning error
W =3D 33= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Not sure -

73, Rik= =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20


Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just= fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 tha= t decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I= set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST=
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read= the instructions /
manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS:= both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT= <g4wgt@tiscal= i.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing= WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have= made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing= Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.6= 00 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.








--0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-91f4b4e3f774d; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:48:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f4b4e3f774d; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:47:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB38-00057v-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB38-00057m-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVB36-0003Ww-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KW70096GGHODI@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:46:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:46:30 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/DX1FaDKtqXR+qwnN38U+A)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_/DX1FaDKtqXR+qwnN38U+A) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA)" --Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Capture vx9mrc the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible, best 73s Henny pa3cpm. Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Joe,LF
Capture vx9mrc
the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible,
best 73s
Henny pa3cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 13-01.jpg

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6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64b4214ad39fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so of= ten, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand not= doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save time= ). Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wish beaconing stations would send= a full=20 callsign, even every so often, in the same mode as they are transmitti= ng. I can=20 undertsand not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established= (to save=20 time).
Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-8e34b420ffea4; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:58:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34b420ffea4; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:57:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpI8-0008Kc-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpI8-0008KT-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpI5-0007KY-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAOedQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPwbGR4Iigg4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="265865526" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 15:56:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:56:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic= set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growli= ng away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base= once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using= CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together with= in just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propaga= tion and station performance/changes to be determined. This would lea= ve plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband co= nversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tole= rant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3= kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
This is fantastic news for the Ap= pliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended mach= ines, all=20 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Ope= rator=20 check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more=20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity wa= s by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity aga= in using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (mor= e than 100=20 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together= within just=20 a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propaga= tion and=20 station performance/changes to be determined.  This would= leave=20 plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowba= nd=20 conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's n= ot a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really=20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tole= rant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB bea= con on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ= is causing=20 QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast US= A=20 stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed to wor= k SSB in=20 such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shamble= s swamped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an=20 opinion?
G3KEV
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5b24b5a23e327d; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:17:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24b5a23e327d; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:17:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRnX-0004EX-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRnW-0004EO-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:10 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRnV-0001Bl-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:10 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43EE7B804D for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1CF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id E2A0218056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122231554.t7w2n0vpwkocg4g4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Jim, thank you both for the JT4A test. Gary, I got no further than a single decode, all others went to Jim ;-) I must indeed read the manual (although reading a manual can be seen =20 as a sign of weakness ;-) ), but I caught a cold and my head is not =20 into reading serious stuff right now. Maybe tomorrow ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. > > If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, =20 > right click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the =20 > decode bandwidth to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click =20 > on the wanted signal first. That will exclude any signal from =20 > outside that "Tol" setting indicated by the red marker line on the =20 > scale at the top. > > Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon =20 > catch on :-)) > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, > > OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). > But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. > I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a =20 > good value would be 20 or more). > Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on =20 > the trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on =20 > your freq.) most of the time it is still decoding Jim. > Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value =20 > (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > Rik, > > That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > >> > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 > dB =3D -2 > DT =3D 0.0 > DF =3D -107 > W =3D 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >>: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT =20 > >>: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-b5414b4226d5384; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1D5A38009657; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqgf-0000eX-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqge-0000eO-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:49 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRqga-000807-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:47 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 70156624A90B for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.44] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1569989546@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18q9Dhh7W/BWeXQWqYrCAtELjvBGetI1XJ44WaPpVrjb274J B8v1S8kJTptK296STJUZjNiL5/gkVP/GsNLsx/Xk/Xa20aCywgep7Ll3yn7B g== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b4225274c89 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for exa= mple, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or other "s= low" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is worse no= t everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Thats par= t of the game . . . Horst .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Callsigns >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so=20 > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand=20 > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save=20 > time). >=20 > Chris, G4AYT. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5ef24b5626c3ac; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:40:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D60538000184; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLn6-000430-Ry for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLn6-00042r-AO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLn3-0000Q9-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so3341891fxm.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OdZYHWQwOeWBaW08ZHunzg/Ro3vWqGu3q6NBdxtcS+g=; b=IzBmYJgv9IDPrglfSUNdUBo8N3tO3WU/wgwQiUyKuaI9+av8ORM4cCEcCtSCQx/w2W smp3+hMSNdr5nWVdyMvo2CXpaCDfw7aun6jg0sLdUdO8LWv80DzTNb2prUSrJDAJ2Loq xsp/voPUrKl+ROeEku0T7ek+ioeAVdWkw/4gQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mx2GSMsO8PlBfQmYDjauysbzmJwAwZCOySpa+WHBSCTIsQ1CGTC0Xjv1EpUWUO2FtD 9jF3XC0IsqWCW4B6Q9cUd1hUgcqXF+sXxQkqgjJwLTUD7pK0UblaTz8mlXtSrb0fpf+a eItOc2+cFngiqXrr5mBc2gnOHfm7D4JjVt1t0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.204 with SMTP id t12mr843852hba.142.1263937143191; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b5626c13a1e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 JT4 is based on the old 11025Hz sampling, which is badly supported by modern soundcards unlike WSPR which is based on 12kHz sampling. This has lead many an op to get poor decoding performance on otherwise strong signals WSJT does have a self calibration routine built in, and shows you the correction needed. If the sampling rate is in error, the correction factors come up highlighted in red, and you need to enter these values into the setup screen. Most modern cards implement 11025Hz as 11100Hz, which at the end of a 48 second transmission interval results in 0.33 seconds error. This is a substantial offset - more than one symbol at the 4.375Hz rate - and usually fails. The source coding details are the same as JT65, so the manual for that, where it describes valid message formats, also applies to JT4. You can encode two callsigns plus a four digit locator in the message structure, or other compressed message formats, but to get the full 6 digit locator as we need for microwaves pluss callsign forces plain text mode. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Ko & Andy, > > Thanks Ko for further decodes. > > Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at the pdf > for more info, thanks. > > I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some > reason. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 >> characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf >> and the WSJT documantation >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi Ko, >>> >>> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >>> >>> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >>> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >>> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>>> >>>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on >>>>> LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gary >>>> Just received: >>>> >>>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> >>>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JT4 is based on the old 11025Hz sampling, which is badly supported by= modern soundcards unlike WSPR which is based on 12kHz sampling.=A0=A0 Thi= s has=A0lead many an op to get poor decoding performance on otherwise stro= ng signals
=A0
WSJT does have a self calibration routine built in, and shows you the= correction needed.=A0 If=A0the sampling rate is=A0in error, the correctio= n factors come up highlighted in red, and you need to enter these values= into the setup screen.
=A0
Most modern cards implement 11025Hz as 11100Hz, which at the end of= a 48 second transmission interval results in 0.33 seconds error.=A0 This= is a substantial offset=A0- more than one symbol at=A0the 4.375Hz rate -= =A0and usually fails.
=A0
The source coding details are the same as JT65, so the manual for tha= t, where it describes valid message formats, also applies to JT4.=A0=A0 Yo= u can encode=A0two callsigns=A0plus a=A0four digit locator in the message= structure, or other compressed message formats, but to get=A0the full 6= digit=A0locator as we need for microwaves pluss callsign=A0forces=A0=A0pl= ain text mode.
Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Ko & Andy,=20

Thanks Ko for further decodes.

Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at= the pdf for more info, thanks.

I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for= some reason.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Pr= ocess.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



<= br>



--001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI073-ead04b5775fb126; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:30:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AED3D380000FB; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXi6s-00006d-LR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXi6r-00006U-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:05 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXi6p-000856-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:05 +0000 Received: from COL122-W60 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:28:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:56 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop>,<9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 21:28:57.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F0A450:01CA9A17] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_" Subject: LF: WSPR_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b5775f8799e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, Jim, LF! Yes, I think the some, there is a chance to receive 1mW signal here.=20 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 1924 -26 -0.3 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 1944 -7 0.4 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1954 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2000 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2006 -6 -0.4 0.503970 0 PE5T JO33 23 2008 -3 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2014 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2028 -29 -0.4 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 2054 -9 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2100 -11 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Well done Jim - that's a good distance.=20 Lubos is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-2= 3dB weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to hear= me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! Andy and I= are about the same distance from Lubos. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 James Cowburn 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, Jim, LF!
Yes, I think the some, there is a chance to recei= ve 1mW signal here.

1916 -25  0.0   0.503879 = 0 G7NKS IO92 17
1924 -26 -0.3   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92= 17


1944  -7  0.4   0.503874  0 G4JNT= IO90 23
1954  -6  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
2000  -6  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23=
2006  -6 -0.4   0.503970  0 PE5T JO33 23
2008&n= bsp; -3  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2014 -10&n= bsp; 0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2028 -29 -0.4&n= bsp;  0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

2054  -9  0.3&n= bsp;  0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2100 -11  0.2  = ; 0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


<= hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000
From: roge= rlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF= : RE: WSPR_OK

Well done Jim - that's a good distance.

Lubos= is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB= weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to= hear me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! = Andy and I are about the same distance from Lubos.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/20= James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">1200km!!!= !  new record for me!!

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">With best= regards

 

 

Jim

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010 19:= 24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

H= ello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1= s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.




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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b56b6521bd; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:52:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFFF038000041; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVLU-0005IF-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:51:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVLU-0005I6-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:51:20 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVLS-0000aE-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b56b6507d0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jay, Received the beacon WE2XGR/2 last night (19/20 Jan.). 87 WSPR spots, best SNR -12 dB at 02:56 UTC, next best -13 dB at 05:36 and 03:06 UTC and -14 dB at 05:24, 04:06, 03:40. 73, Albert PA0A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: LF: M2 solar flare > Biggest in 2 years... > > http://spaceweather.com/ > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b62303c232; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:47:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 165B838000072; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf0r-0004kJ-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b62303a52df X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Piotr, Is it possible that Andy is radiating a much stronger ground-wav= e at that distance. I know the paths should be reciprocal, but if the weak= er station ground wave was weaker, swamped in the noise?? Possibly the an= tennas for the others are radiating much more upward and the ground wave= is being attenuated. The addition.subtraction of a ground wave at the sam= e strength as the skywave could add or subtract 6dB (about the difference= in the figures)....I know that the Lowfers in the States see a dead zone= at their low power.....but that as with QRSS not a sophisticated system= like WSPR.=20 A slant range calculation formula is given on my web site. The apparent re= flection height at 136kHz at night was lower of course 90-100km. At extrem= e range the apogee was calculated by raytracing at about 86km (from memory= ) At short range and high angles the signal will penerate further before= being returned. The path calculated this was is in error because the refr= action "shortens" the path over a "mirror reflection" model. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/fading.htm Dont take too much not= ice of the text it is quite old now but the equations work and can be solv= ed at fading nulls. You need two receivers at different distances to resol= ve the ambiguities. An interesting point is that if you can calculate the ground-wave strength= , you can estimate the skywave strength by the depth of the null(which asu= mes they are out of phase of course). I used the thumbnail figure that a watt ERP at 1km generates 300uV/m, for= my calculations. These kind of simple models can be very useful in trying= to understand what is happening and calculating whether any particular pa= th is possible...... and its good fun !! Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski wrote: > From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski > Subject: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 23:06 > Dear Rik, James,LF group >=20 > it is going to be long.... sorry... >=20 > Some time ago Jim, G7NKS began a new topic on this > reflector. it was about a link budget > for wspr at given distance. Recently, Rik, ON7YD has > made a nice thing i.e. comparing reception > levels of three stations using a 'small statistics' - that > is exactly what wspr stands for. > investigations of propagation paths, limits etc... > Being 'triggered' by these two mails and , additionaly, by > a phrase 'mill' used by Rik > which translated into polish sounds very much like my > surname ( Mlynarski) Mlyn=3Dmill :) > I started to think about the estimate of an effective > electric field 'felt' by RX station. > Later, I will use Rik's collected data as numerical > example. Due to the enormous > and variable noise at my qth my reception data > is not appropriate and lacks some stations. > I like to do such 'guesstimates' almost from the scratch, > so let me start > from the 'basics' i.e. classical electrodynamics > which states that in a free space > the power P radiated by an isotropic antenna in a distance > R has its density: > D=3DP/(4*pi*R*R). On the other hand, the mean magnitude of a > Poynting vector (D) can be expressed > by an electric field: D =3D E*E/(2*120*pi) ( 120pi =3D > 377ohm=3Dimpedance of a free space) > Combining these two one gets that the amplitude of an > electric field E equals: > E =3D sqrt(60*P)/R. if R is in [km] then E is expressed in > miliVolts/metr, P is in Watts. > I assume that we are dealing with a short vertical monopole > so following Rik's explanations > ( veeery useful post to the reflector! ) its directivity > gain is 3 but as the power in wspr reports > is given as ERP power so it must be multiplied by a factor > of 1.64 in order to replace > power P (isotropic) in the last formula by ERP*1.64 , where > "ERP" is the reported erp power. Also, > we can multiply E by 0.707 to get the > effective signal strength E(eff): > E(eff) =3D 0.707*sqrt(60*ERP*1.64)/R > I focus ONLY on the ionospheric propagation and 1 > hop. > At the night, the absorption of incoming wave (500kHz) to > the ionosphere is really small so , > at first approximation, can be simply ommited and we are > left now with relatively > simple geometric considearations with further assumption > that the distance between > station a (TX) and station b (RX) is not an earth arc but a > straight line, segment. > {sure, it can be done more precisely taking into account > mean earth radius etc...) > The wave is propagating from TX antenna with an > elevation(take-off) angle alfa, the > reflection takes place in E layer, say, 120 km above > earth (H) and the distance > between stations a and b is "d". At the RX place we are > interested in the vertical > component of incoming reflected wave being doubled by > reflection from the earth > and assumed antenna characteristic is described by a > certain function A(theta) > {theta=3D usual notation of one of the angles in spherical > coordinate system) > In the case of a short vertical monopole: A(theta) =3D > sine(theta) =3D cosine(alfa) > so we have: > E(eff) =3D E(eff)*2*cos(alfa)*cos(alfa) > R in formula for E(eff) becomes: sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) > and cos(alfa) =3D d/sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) >=20 > (in the course of programming it is convenient to multiply > E(eff) by 1000 thus getting > the values in microVolts/m) >=20 > The above final formula gives real values of an effective > signal strength. It is a 'product' > of fundamental physics and simple geometric > considerations. Obviously, there is an ample room for > improvements but as i am not a radio-comm specialist i just > do not know how to make it - > some reflection losses, absorption attenuation which both > seem to be frequency > and (probably) time dependent etc.. > Anyway, here comes 'numerical'side.. > I took Rik's qth as RX station and the values of erp > power as reported in wspr database ( or e-mails) > by the TX stations: > G4JNT: 420 km and 200 miliWatts of ERP pwr > G3ZJO: 411 km 0.2 mW > G3XBM: 337 km 1 mW > H =3D 120 km ( the height of reflection point) (have found in > literature it is 110-120 km on average) > calculated values of E(eff) are: > G4JNT: 9.777 microVolt/m =20 > G3ZJO: 0.311=20 > G3XBM: 0.711 > calculated relative differences of signal strengths: > (first, 'left', stations are favored) > G4JNT-G3XBM: 22.77 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 29.95 dB > G3XBM-G3ZJO: 7.18 dB > Now, the same differences made by Rik (night receptions, > wspr readouts, averages etc..) > G4JNT-G3XBM: 15 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 23 dB > G3XBM-G3ZJO: 8 dB > In the case of Roger,"Water Pistol", G3XBM and Eddie, > "Dripping Tap", G3ZJO > theory and experiment are fairly consistent > if Andy, "Big Gun", G4JNT had run only 40 mW ERP then his > E(eff) would be 4.372 microVolt/m > so then the calculated diferences: > G4JNT-G3XBM: 15.78 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 22.96 dB > (pretty nice matching..) > Final conclusion: "Big Gun" shrinks !=20 > :) >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5c14b4ae3dd216; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b4ae3dd216; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:39:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUFnb-00006V-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUFna-00006M-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:54 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUFnZ-00047j-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:54 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111083847.CEDU17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100111083847.QYJC22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:47 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B4AE394.31096.4FC469F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=RZhugd5bRANcwUbshbcA:9 a=PtFFXsx2s2MgNiz4F6FqLfz3j-wA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: summer activity? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Conditions are still OK in the summer and there is still LF activity. QRN is the main problem, and is best avoided by operating in the early morning. MIke, G3XDV =========== > Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about the summer? > I haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, how much stronger is > it? Just some db or is a qso in cw or qrss almost impossible? How much > does it affect the groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between > day and night much more than in the winter? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b40d2a23b5; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:23:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA1C9380000AF; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAC-00033N-FZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAB-00033E-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUAA-0000oq-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981547B8048 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BCE31E702 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id B3D9E18056; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from 162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.51.162]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20100103182233.hfsxz2ow00c4kso8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.51.162 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b40d2a009a1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Michael, are you sure about that ? VRZA claims to have distributed licences. I do not know about VERON (mail to PA0SHY gereantes an out of office reply= ). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "M. Sanders" : > To all LF, > > Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet =20 > published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot =20 > the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those =20 > able to understand Dutch language the most recent official =20 > publication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to =20 > have been adequately informed about the process. It is not even =20 > clear if notifications to participate in the experiment by =20 > individual Radio Amateurs have already been processed by the =20 > organisations. > > I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this =20 > reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and =20 > therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of =20 > 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band =20 > without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to =20 > QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by =20 > Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed =20 > indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the =20 > experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date =20 > somewhere in the future will be in order, and not legalising =20 > transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. > > Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, =20 > starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's =20 > from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio =20 > piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and =20 > complimented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes =20 > has the tendency to repeat it self. > > Kind regards, Best 73's, > > Michael Sanders, PC4M > > > > > QUOTE: >> > > Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs > > 23-12-2009 > > Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor =20 > radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken =20 > gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen =20 > onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze =20 > frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC =20 > 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het =20 > onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie =20 > voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport =20 > indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. > > Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een =20 > collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over =20 > de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de =20 > verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De =20 > randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment =20 > zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. > > Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de =20 > verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. =20 > Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in =20 > aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. > > Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 =20 > kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . > > Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit =20 > bekend via deze website. > > < > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary - G4WGT > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz > > Rik, > > Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.20]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-8c334b3f843ade; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:36:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63F6038001F80; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7PQ-0004dv-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:05:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7PQ-0004dm-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:05:00 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7PN-0001oY-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:04:59 +0000 Received: from COL122-W46 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:04:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: ,<000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 17:04:51.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2DC0280:01CA8BCD] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41144b3f7cf30819 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal! I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is very good, "O".= =20 HNY to you! Lubos, OK2BVG ***************** From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA =20 Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG,=20 JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal!
I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is= very good, "O".
HNY to you!

Lubos, OK2BVG

*************= ****

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000
Subje= ct: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original= Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Sat= urday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject:= LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on= =20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG,= =20 JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pr= o v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b58bb1e3bb; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B2F44380000C7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lY-00074m-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lY-00074d-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3lW-000087-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so485089pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MMYsiEEih5xJ225591Jz0HN/9dSmOp0fq85aw4uHcpY=; b=ScqGBdcNqP6UF1cHJhdPcYL8Cs7FQDwRRNfimAUO/zpSlBBmHpztm1DMJgQNb91QY/ 2q788aDkTwbnK82s4ZO0c9lqG0Zb3YAM5KU7DvhO8wqvuT6qXH7/9KIqOO/8WO/z6EyR 1gi0bcEeeTpzY9kiF68JWfzrZQScb1JFayj24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=riQHs/k/FdS7N/bQhpV7kiZYO6gAIxIIt8HM86RNgDA4t13e/aCHPvuddFnC0fpgB5 uAFpLyElbHCdj5aEFDgSdEXSICT7qoDbYFWsN06RKlEKRDrspJQM+UpqcHwj9FXrm1pI 6EUvPIQP0xmezfa5dAF97wxSDO3ebIOWflKgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.10 with SMTP id g10mr1379651rva.57.1264106182143; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:21 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b6956c4bf0bf43c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b58bb1c174c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to 503.700 kHz. 73, Gay - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each > even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. > > In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A > replies. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > --001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for repli= es from 503.500 kHz to 503.700 kHz.

73,

Gay - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.
=

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.




--001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-86ae4b644d68112; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10BE43800019A; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF2q-0002vo-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF2p-0002vf-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:31 +0000 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF2n-0001Oh-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:31 +0000 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so427972qwf.16 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GH0wGCXa1djcJ7ElL5JoMHJFkXHs+206cV1Tlbi+YJw=; b=c0X8YKDQLhg7W2WYXajjozmWjpzveMOh0bP5zH9LWj+dyhYlQubdbN6xtSkcdCANWE TwYCC1UK7kiSvsF08Bl1qFqoeaBYRRXuc3L0yDdz+7hQT1nIW0hMNwYwiKkqqO0wn2I5 LYfTQJM+3GW29WmH57ZREPGOXg2fBLUKfXmNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KUmqG3XwB6aLrZPibMMjqM5dOLgtvzd64KlacuVxVmPMzYa5jaGlu0YfDdK5cNERtG Q6VQ7Y4ZTHZXgo59m8yjaUcaLcDC7/tdFphhbPevNSsH7gqQeZeRDYSeVTNBbTQanKpK VizyEMEnkijD23HMBY8stEqGqK9kTYNmhCeGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.93.201 with SMTP id w9mr975983qam.191.1264864526474; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5@aol.com> References: <17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001300715t59fd564bvc2e2dd7c074c0453@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b644d661cb3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dmitry, Nicolas, Thank you for the reports! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, wrote: > Dimitry,LF Strong signal here > > F4DTL JN18FP > > IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010 > > In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru writes: > > Hi LF > > XGJ visible now in RA3 > > Dmitry > ra3yo From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5f294b3fdcb03d0; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:54:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B538D38000A79; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRDi7-0007XA-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRDi7-0007X1-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRDi5-0000AM-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 90929 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 23:48:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eaRYQEultCnA8v5yU4dOJBd37Mt+jPvsQPZBywpOwiL2Yh9hH35sD101DL3PdbDOkH8cwzTMkDKZR5+p6cuw/o7qrSBjnw0Y1vmYF6MXOb3fqKD11+Zaz7rs0opIoaX04f6JpXd9UdOHsrkMG2EBKZlwoSbhBPSnn49stmt6Aj0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 23:48:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: kgPyr7oVM1ly2smr09a4PDQchwjw6Px94QeLgJ4I.7iBHWomETFwdFOJ6MVsgw4TDa1Tz.ZAH_iizWkNZhw4xBNcBC1W7QugEBmxG5UVNwtzqGTyKvKV3qvAxz.NxUi3Woa8yU8i3XjlpjQEEuwALekfRWPeubx_.Hbb1Z2ZCMo8lgs6vkA.ARnciAQLg_OFEjTG4UG92gvOaAQn6PmCuI71yGzWHijIuLJhlxMrNrTNjGAJUxIJul81FOjCZG.V_h.tYCKa1opVHphgzlFjrDEKZGGCyYRiJRPUD5nHQHHG6YM2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1160510449@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:48:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: So much acitvity :-) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b3fdbaf5bb8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan, LF Group, Thanks to Markus DF6NM and Andrey EW6GB for the QSOs - first time I ha= ve=20 been QRV on 136k for a while. Conditions seemed a bit poor here with= QRN and=20 quite weak signals - only very faint traces of RU6LA and IK1HSS were= =20 visible. I hope to be QRV tomorrow, so perhaps we can QSO then. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) Dear LF, It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for= his=20 fine QSOs! And to M0BMU, IK1HSS, EW6GB and all the other active OMs :-= ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b4a59c474; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:50:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9355938000072; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6bY-0006Xp-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6bY-0006Xe-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6bV-0005Kl-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so18185034fxm.30 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:49:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d1gUzRrf53qcUGDzRPTj7JCgpl0AQWSD98XxIB2unOI=; b=ucfbq7Szd0nvXpnACXpFSTrPHInw+T+Ifitk781RSo3pX/f117whx64vGGtI5olht+ pYN6nd+TQVFfvpRVwD8tmOAa8SiI2ktLuObZQ7OGs+kfwTrVCOxa6f2X78UuZpm3fwrF msU6PuxhOoF5UXVKtAmXHegIEqGjycnvpFfjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qlxDLVLSvNjYoHjk2XVqPXoBwD5XIpAsQunWfTS2D5of8Hlw0kzbENquHoV1IZ/mzF iIliacObKIx6p9UJC107eznnq56gmTpM+FInhGU3y7xpqKnZZem76erXW6+zZYZxQ3Fs jg3qIRRXt2vdBG+W1yoYcvebTFDPTsYX/kYz4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.77 with SMTP id b13mr1146540hbh.158.1263163782598; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:49:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,CELL_PHONE_BOOST, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4a59c20347 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth) WSPR/WSJT are within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improvement to play with. Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and longer and longer, but there comes a point where the ionospheric path just won't support the signalling any more And that's it. All that's left is more EIRP, directional Rx antennas, noise cancellation and... For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of : "Communication in the Presence of Noise", CE Shannon, Proc. IRE (now IEEE) January 1949 which is the seminal paper that sets the -1.64dB S/N limit --- and --- "Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" , JP Costas, Proc IRE, December 1959 which spells it all out in a delightfully readable way Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 - 6dB better than the best humans ops. As shown, coding *could* further improve things by another couple of dB. So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF. ? That's *real Amateur Radio* as far as I'm concerned. Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking for lines of different coloured dots Andy www.g4jnt.com > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with > even much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so > good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > --001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by Sh= annon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth)=A0=A0 WSPR/WSJT are wi= thin about=A03 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improve= ment to play with.=A0=A0 Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and lo= nger and longer,=A0but there comes a point where the ionospheric path just= won't support the signalling any more
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And that's it.=A0=A0All that's left is more EIRP, directional= Rx antennas, noise cancellation and...
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For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of :
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"Communication in the Presence of Noise", =A0CE Shannon,=A0= Proc. =A0IRE=A0=A0(now IEEE)=A0 =A0January 1949=A0
which is the seminal paper that=A0sets the=A0 -1.64dB S/N limit
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"Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" ,=A0 JP Costas, Pr= oc IRE, December 1959=A0=A0 which spells it all out in a delightfully read= able way
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Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly= similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 - 6dB= better than the best humans ops.=A0=A0 As shown, coding=A0could fu= rther improve things by another couple of dB.
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So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF.=A0= ?
That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm conc= erned.=A0 Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or lookin= g for lines of different coloured dots
What will happen if in 2 years= the next software will be available with even much better error correctio= n and so on? What, if this software is so good that a QSO to VK will be po= ssible?

--001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-b944b4cf5c5309; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:21:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD086-b944b4cf5c5309; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:20:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUp5R-000293-RH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUp5R-00028u-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUp5P-0001ec-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CMJcr6032104 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:38 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A98@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A98@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Thread-Index: AcqTzenv43+hCsWeQ6eyI4E0VbWYogABn7Rp References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.672;12.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.220920 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA93D5.521FAC01" Subject: AW: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA93D5.521FAC01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GE,=20 =20 ...but it will increase the PD inception level due to the high epsilon r= and so you can run more power (voltage) ;-) You should use this advantage= ;-). But be aware that the increased current does not melt the ice ;-)=20 So power should be a function of the outside temperature which could be re= gulated with a temperature sensor that is controlling the duty cycle of th= e input signal or the DC-voltage of the PA by a class h modulator ;-) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 22:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Pete, =20 The ice will be pure water and may not conduct .. will have some cap= acity implications though ! =20 G ..=20 From: M0FMT =20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method.= =20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in curr= ent.=20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . 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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the same= picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acc= epted the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you will get a decode soon ?=20 tnx G=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Lubos .... well at this  speed = , will still=20 be  sending the  same  picture when im going  to&n= bsp; work=20 hihi .. I didn't  realise how  small the  size needs&nb= sp; to be=20 .. I just  reduced it until the  software  accepted the=  =20 file  .. signal is  starting to  show in Holland .. so= may be=20 you  will get a  decode  soon ?
 
tnx G

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may= be=20 later.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c= o.uk
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503= Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB024-86964b51cf213c2; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:37:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EED6380000F3; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NW9kj-0001pf-Or for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NW9kj-0001pW-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NW9kg-0003NJ-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1006304fxm.4 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=u6ZOwMcY/Ltt4SpYOP5rvif5jm/0qpLMhW9Nk6jPXso=; b=ClDKdqRaeoJWDSpMqMU6xrWDX1K5MAd9gf+LDo4eZhO7ZaVN7CtI1pEzDq5EVa+JDl rJFohnceC+6TZf8JQZJpW/jUohVL9t7UjGwp2MFJTXBxMAUsQqsmQasHsnzwoGQYaze7 uiG8Finxg9CCJ/qRIoe4gzsiu9/ibYvhBrjGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Unl2q6b04X3lFzzDs4PqAkyVUg+mAiIJaFhQoc+8mIQxD1GukgE3WjtTiHq1MtJ8wD VYIw3w/OjWnKLaoskjyOFeIJWTxS2F4RIpK3KP+eYXCmjVxeQtH8pRsioCOHO7iSjVRy 7EKIm++O2yQnQFPx+YrTuHCge/g1wO65At/p4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.5 with SMTP id g5mr371713hbi.3.1263652539753; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR and antenna tweaking Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636499e21c06593047d490813 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b51cf1f763e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636499e21c06593047d490813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I noticed the current draw on my 500kHz beacon transmission had dropped this morning, so dragged a scope into the shed and looked at the relative phase of voltage and current to the antenna. The two waveforms appeared to be about 50 - 60 degrees out so the weather over the last few weeks had shifted the tuning point of the antenna - or maybe its because everthing is just so wet now, or the variometer got knocked, or whatever. Anyway. A quick tweak of the loading coil and V and I were coindident again, with a better current draw. This happened at 1050z Checking the WSPR database, reports from the two regular local contributors M0BMU and M0LMH showed a remarkably consistent average increase of 2dB after the adjustment. Reports from further afield had too much measurement noise to see the effect properly, but did show some signs of a similar increase. Interestingly, the 60 degree phase difference 'ought' to have resulted in a 6dB reduction in antenna current [COS(60)] and the DC draw was certainly around 70% of what it should be - and that includes all the static current consuming stages of the PA as well, so I'm just wondering why the signal did not change pro-rata. Andy www.g4jnt.com --001636499e21c06593047d490813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed the current draw on my 500kHz beacon transmission had dropp= ed this morning, so dragged a scope into the shed and looked at the relati= ve phase of voltage and current to the antenna.=A0 The two waveforms appea= red to be about 50 - 60 degrees out so the weather over the last few weeks= had shifted the tuning point of the antenna - or maybe its because everth= ing is just so wet now, or the variometer got knocked, or whatever.
Anyway.
A quick tweak=A0of the loading coil and=A0=A0V and I were coindident= again, with a better current draw. This happened at 1050z
=A0
Checking the WSPR database, reports from the two regular local contri= butors=A0 M0BMU and M0LMH showed a remarkably consistent average increase= of 2dB after the adjustment.=A0=A0 Reports from further afield had too mu= ch measurement noise to see the effect properly,=A0but did show some signs= of a similar increase.
=A0
Interestingly, the 60 degree phase difference 'ought' to have= resulted=A0in a 6dB reduction in antenna current=A0=A0 [COS(60)]=A0 and= the DC=A0draw was certainly around 70% of what it should be - and that in= cludes all the static current consuming=A0stages of the PA =A0as well, so= I'm just wondering why the signal did not change pro-rata.
--001636499e21c06593047d490813-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b58a974271; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:22:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C0B2B38000073; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2as-0006gs-QM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2as-0006gj-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2ap-0008GJ-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so551738fgg.10 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DxMelMT7txPdfExm7yCs1t2KBfXs3eJ9OtO28rS5qCM=; b=EjtPz2gF1W9r0bA5qDKkvYnYi/DN03ivENoPH45ukTGYl4Pckc1N0mJimEVc+vj5Qa CAHGZrHMaAenxVgMQ9DQ4E7jfNfCE/q5QG0XeQyShG20DcE/uMyXNwekM0H94Jr0Wbaj po8fvx6zvPhzQPSFcC2AId2giQ7YISJmsQF9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KHoEbTviMnmym53E5LiLhvuIHLkUZRlMUw3aaeLFFW7UFZyHQE5ILxEhB26h1+QuJH c/7GwH5n6d1wesEyYeIC1IKS4mVvEi9cOmY6T4R1UAqM1qEUTJSS8eVcM8Q/78Su8iJH mBhJ35nfS/oLqvCBci+2Fhqb+Qvo8593RRd3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.137 with SMTP id t9mr222511hbh.176.1264101681346; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b58a9724366 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The type of ground locally probably enters into the propagation equation without influence on the ERP figure, and may be enhancing my signals a dB or so. For example, I am on quite good conductive heavy clay, and there is a lot of it in the area. I've sunk something like 15 x 1 to 2m long copper tubes and rods into it all round the small gargen, and cros slinked them in a completely random way in lieu of being able to put out any worthwhile radials. This may have (quite inadvertently) been a *good thing.* Back in the 73kHz days, several stations were surprised just how good a signal was getting out from my antenna, quite significantly smaller than those of just about every other operator on that band. Down on 73k, measuring efficiency in the same way as the ratio of Rrad to Rload, I estimated -48 to -50dB gain giving 1mW ERP from 100 W. This seemed to stack-up with received signal stregths and the more predictable propagation loss estimates down on those frequencies. Mind you, the local vegetation and trees by the antenna have grown since then, but I strongly suspect the resulting near-field lossey capacitance is absorbed into the loss resistance, so more-or-less correctly appears in the efficiency calculation without having to be added in as a frig-factor. Anyway, won't this component have less contribution at 7 times the frequency? The most surprising finding back then was how much the loss resistance increased when it rained - when one would have expected a decrease in wet conditions. Once the lossy near-field termination effect was realised, it all made sense. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn > Dear Jim, > > Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder > if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent > ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've > some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie > and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. > > Would much appreciate this. Thanks > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The type of ground locally=A0probably enters into the propagation equ= ation without influence on the ERP figure, and may be enhancing my signals= a dB or so.=A0=A0 For example,=A0I am on quite good conductive heavy clay= , and there is a lot of it in the area.=A0=A0=A0 I've sunk something= like 15 x 1 to 2m long copper tubes and rods into it all round the small= =A0gargen, and cros slinked them in a completely random way=A0=A0in lieu= of being able to put out=A0any worthwhile radials.=A0 This may have (quit= e inadvertently) been a good thing.
=A0
Back in the 73kHz days, several stations were surprised just how good= a signal was getting out from=A0my=A0antenna, =A0quite significantly smal= ler than those of just about every other operator on that band.=A0=A0 Down= on 73k, measuring efficiency=A0in the same way as the ratio of Rrad to Rl= oad, I estimated -48 to -50dB gain giving 1mW ERP from 100 W.=A0=A0 This= seemed to stack-up with received signal stregths and the more predictable= propagation loss estimates down on those frequencies.
=A0
Mind you, the local vegetation and trees by the antenna=A0have grown= since then, but I strongly suspect the resulting near-field lossey capaci= tance is absorbed into the loss resistance, so=A0more-or-less correctly ap= pears in the efficiency calculation without having to be added in as a fri= g-factor.=A0 Anyway, won't this component have less contribution at=A0= 7 times the frequency?
The most surprising finding back then was how much the loss resistanc= e increased when it rained - when one would have expected a decrease in we= t conditions.=A0=A0 Once the lossy near-field termination effect was reali= sed, it all=A0made sense.


This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the= health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardou= s to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions=


2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Dear Jim,

Following the= discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could= use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent ERP levels= for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've= some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Edd= ie and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in betwee= n.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
<= a href=3D"http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD083-8b924b5cb42c1a3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 37C6238000134; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9VI-0001cy-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9VH-0001cp-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:15 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9VF-0002d6-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEFACdDXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIJ8tVhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="312038921" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 20:56:06 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <003801ca9d37$a5b75ca0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20100124214445.ajj23cvao04k80s0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b5cb42b6b08 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Rik Nice to know you could read the QRSS, the QSB is no surprise with the QRP is it. Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 24 January 2010 20:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hello Eddie, the signal is up and down in the QSB, but I had several complete copies of your call is FSK. With some patience a QSO would be possible. Just let men know when you want to try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was > falling. I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy > I can go to QRSS3. In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be > manually key-able I shall have to sort that one out. If only to please > Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > >> Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your >> grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the >> period of the screenshot. >> >> I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen >> it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK >> Grabbers. >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT >> Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi Eddie, >> >> I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what >> appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo >> which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/24 g3zjo > >> Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the >> MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. >> >> Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I >> will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. >> >> 73 >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ep > .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave >> G3WCB >> Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi, Eddie. >> >> Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is >> about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a >> Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth >> >> By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which >> contains elements of both modes! >> >> (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop >> the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With >> Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark >> and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ep > .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of >> g3zjo >> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 >> To: >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; >> GQRP@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi >> All >> >> I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. >> Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- >> >> Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the >> standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my >> signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will >> run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can >> spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. >> >> Frequency 503.22KHz >> >> Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse >> >> Power 500mW at 50 Ohms >> >> Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts >> >> Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical >> >> ERP >1mWatt >> >> >> >> Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/24/10 07:33:00 >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b60b56f3e3; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4A6D38000157; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFmp-0005xt-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFmo-0005xj-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:54 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFmm-0007E1-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:54 +0000 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so11915fxm.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oUk7hfzM+DcG7jnPdw9XimND3rgLXLw0bEtI7pjSg1o=; b=mXABTzy0ZRNjaJ9m7HkgoE7no+njaYp8g/KattZ0eq+W0Z5et9eRzzK9OQQfGSCBtM 33lq73KtdsVnoZYKngt8iIQ1Cx8BvfZMZ1E87ns6WYwYWbxN52f5gk2qin8h3Z4hm9mI qtJTJpYqs9SS39J3AuNA1VP3kJxxRFhoNWKfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QLRg5v0L/I10SjjkWyy9Gic3hk3xkFi9pMriwJTJTKaLFlcDFELSyR/B7vbYnT9ESK v8EhgKyOB5ExgUY+5yN+oC/XxpLUxWAMP5GeQ2s+NYY9aDfvvYDvmnkkotyNDV/HFygd eFzH752pnmnJRDL8tVheTWIlwSwhpkgZ9bNgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.136 with SMTP id j8mr1170593hbi.105.1264629046706; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f631121a0351047e2c655b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b60b56c2824 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f631121a0351047e2c655b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit. Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any difference to decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR band) signals. (But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energy in= the two outside ones). Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/27 Clemens Paul > This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list > members. > I have made the same observations. > Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz results in > an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! > I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've found out > that the *real* SNR > is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signal whic= h > was just below > the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW eithe= r. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports > > All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.4= 6Hz > noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. > > Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most > likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed > non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and > upsets sync recovery. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to healt= h, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > >> Andy, >> >> maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). >> If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get >> a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. >> Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed= to >> get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [ >> andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR Reports >> >> Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a >> just a case of being in a very quiet location... >> These are pretty impressive S/N values >> >> >> 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 >> F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 >> 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 >> 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI >> JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 >> IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 >> G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 42= 2 >> 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 >> 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT >> 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243= 2010-01-27 >> 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI >> JN19qb 502 312 >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> > ------------------------------ > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.733 / Virendatenbank: 271.1.1/2649 - Ausgabedatum: 01/27/10 > 14:08:00 > > --001485f631121a0351047e2c655b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit.=A0=A0= Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any differenc= e to decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR= band) signals.=A0=A0=A0
=A0
(But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energy= in the two outside ones).
2010/1/27 Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
This phenomen,or rather bug,has been= reported here by several list members.
I have made the same observations.
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to= something below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of up= to around 15dB!
I've done some tests with a frien= d 20km away on 10m and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other wor= ds an extreme weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW co= udn't be decoded with 20Hz BW either.
=A0
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010= 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
=A0
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.=A0=A0= Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by= pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection proces= s, and upsets sync recovery.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
=A0
maybe=A0the "magic&= quot; lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a=A0significant increase in= SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlem= ail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
=A0
=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:14=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+13=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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=A02010-01-27 20:02=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:00=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G7NKS=A0 =A00.503920=A0 =A0-5=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO92ub=A0 =A0+20=A0 =A00.100=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0422=A0 =A0262=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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=A02010-01-27 19:40=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b4b0527753a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA92AD.51AB1D59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,=20 Yes, this was a clear example. Those who are building their station themse= lve are rather the true amateurs, of course. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b40ce7e61b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal and LF =A0 I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the 501-504= apart from the PA station.=A0And=A0I am sure they were all fully licenced= station within their own respective territories. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty over XMA= S and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others.=A0Are these legal or otherwise? g3kev =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal and LF
 
I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the 50= 1-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fully licenced station within their own respective territories.<= /DIV>

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal= hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35

WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A,= what about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others.&nb= sp;Are these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>= ; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 =20

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT=
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



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=20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.147]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b60b6e422a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:57:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5E83A380001D6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFsk-0006Se-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFsj-0006SU-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:01 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFsh-0007Qy-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:01 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so153972fga.10 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BiHQh72lv4FRaHAGQ1URiW/uPZCYwiRG5j/48o8xDL4=; b=pnooeQQr0zIZvmnzjyNRnkpoZLr1X5pQeqtvKfdu51DQqJjzS7T5yngpkzCxyZpTFJ UMSF8IystZR5g4TpnmyBWm9y/0fErU5V8NaFzIX5swFLY7gvBn0wgySg8GLJjJGcIdL4 TFW0UD4A9MLS8e51iifXNx/pFfAMiKl1Sk0RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vY+HDj7rnyT5fGjnPPD6xp80dnWs4JGjc3oahLI9WorLkLXLsTSfu23xEa1hxyRYCQ TJt9pTZLnaTslIAmUC8fQwzN0ox5+rlLgDL56enfFcA/ImBkOQ8vGzb4zCZsG5hFHtRQ nFD/QE/IHGKfN+OD846H5cJJyXA/0rPRWN8AA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.150.4 with SMTP id l4mr1095126hbb.6.1264629418177; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:56:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60934b60b6e146ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite recently. How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. > Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would > provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. > Impressive. > I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W > PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot > use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > > Rik, & Andy, > > Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. > > Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the > text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. > > If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short > period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so > in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. > > Let me know. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > >> -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe >> >> Gary, >>> >>> solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. >>> But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. >>> Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >>> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ >>> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] >>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 >>> *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group >>> *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A >>> >>> LF, >>> >>> Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. >>> >>> 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo >>> >> >> > --001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental driv= e signals quite recently.=A0=A0
=A0
How about a frequency doubler?=A0=A0=A0 The output doesn't have= to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop.=A0=A0 And=A0s= imple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us= time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted= in phase from the 500kHz drive signal.=A0 Then apply this one,=A0=A0along= with the original to a two input=A0XOR gate whose output will then consis= ts of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave= drive.
=A0

Andy
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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Gary,<= /font>
=A0
the SNR values over the= last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy= and 0.5W occasional copy.
Impressive.
I=A0should get QRV on JT= 4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA,=A0and= my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use= that with my HF/500kHz transverter.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,=20

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik= 9;s query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sho= rt period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the momen= t so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Gary,<= /font>
=A0
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
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--001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.133]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5efc4b4241e6267; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:30:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D7613807C2C5; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrNo-0000uO-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrNo-0000uF-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRrNm-0003zS-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 25983 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 18:10:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lxs9oeYNEsRO2JE8r4L7mZ6frYkPLJX96Ho8AbFioWX0z7TwM/Tg27SNcHa9MPNbi2wieDX5tkRyg0810hnB6M/L0yBpAbBDiKWzfOHiMgQqpRmtsBVtKQEjPV3OCwyd6xKhY3Vww5BhjY523zDrW7/+kRkisfTc9QFjO/DSNz0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 18:10:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: Km1RavcVM1lMPAsP9zuM15xzxEfnT4Am9_mP2Pho81igny9TiWokHi5EjlzZauYgYc2qMIm2xjOi7TfJT5yveu2Lj7vkPv9iJiBs0nAJg5TUvqWcTLqnntL5F4uRx8xqGN5wooxmaG3AVGujuX7gsDAEwOS0BnFIjobwj4FJG5w50wDLpC__oNnYMQfh9dY8Oz_MACeZU6wGYOIhMtKWhWz55lpL6WXadM5FRrYcUE.FGLaspdZKzWjEwZpGz4IXOYFkbd0x0nEDMNw.YYKcTcuebhmT.gaAWMYDyE.W9Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:10:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854b422f4f571a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Horst, I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hard= ly a=20 problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time= beats=20 me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not= be on=20 this site? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Horst St=F6cker" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for= =20 example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other=20 "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is wo= rse=20 not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Tha= ts=20 part of the game . . . Horst .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Callsigns >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save > time). > > Chris, G4AYT. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI043-eac44b5b613bb0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:51:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51BF5380000AC; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmvk-00086h-0T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmvj-00086Y-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmvf-0005fL-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:02 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAE7vWktOlECv/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx2WEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="289388698" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.64.175]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:49:47 +0000 Message-ID: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b5b613903ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also mentioned QRS which you conveniently forgot about. Why would I= struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also mentioned QRS which you conven= iently forgot=20 about. Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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Kt= er=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b98d5694-2630-422d-9aac-15cc595ab1b0_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b5c86282b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:40:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBCB0380000B0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6RJ-0007hg-30 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6RI-0007hX-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6RG-0000zT-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4GAI0UXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIKMwZhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="281147244" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:39:48 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000401ca9d1c$39954750$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <003901ca9d1a$92b4bf70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b5c8626409f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Mal thanks, that will be something for another day. At present I have no on off keying. I can only dream of antennas like yours :-) 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 January 2010 17:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Eddie Let me know if u need a report on qrs or cw. I can hear and work all the other Micro Watt merchants. My 40m loop is E/W but I can use the inv L if needed to hear u. I must get a NS loop installed in case I am missing something de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > > > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > > period of the screenshot. > > > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > > Grabbers. > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > > 1245utc. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave > > G3WCB > > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > > contains elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of > > g3zjo > > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > > To: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > > same time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5ef04b64abbc15; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0FE87380000B5; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbLKH-0004lE-PM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbLKH-0004l5-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbLKF-0003jq-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100130215750.PZWJ10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.9.169.68]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100130215750.NWKK13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4B64AB5B.7050301@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:47 +0000 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=qFA1JKLKiuAA:10 a=i24cnCgLAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=spfw7PUuAAAA:8 a=3zoUjesobLBsveQ85yMA:9 a=zYRcvukhFfvFQKDE3No570ZNogUA:4 a=9orkcghtDVwA:10 a=l7a6iXsAz5sA:10 a=VoFPz64Ki7sA:10 a=seZDVIl-t4sA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=lEO2OnjchrZcWJ1u:21 a=xPdtgaQ8mK4uiLnc:21 a=UBi0vMDEN1yFrZXsJ1MA:9 a=4Pg-gE6ylnVmhFutzxYA:7 a=93x2DvO4HslgSX6Xz3pZQm7-TcsA:4 a=P8Yd0INUp77CPDZ1:21 a=B_a75ZILVbhzGZBc:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203030602030707050607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b64abba475a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020203030602030707050607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22=20 that can be ordered=20 e.g. at cunz electronis distributor. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if= =20 just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable=20 there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he=20 even would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a=20 bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in=20 English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me=20 the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the=20 success. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable=20 would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 --------------020203030602030707050607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statements and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable.

The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he even would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me very much.

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst Stöcker
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals

...

What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

___________________________________________________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

http://produkte.web.de/go/02/

 

 

--------------020203030602030707050607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC084-a98e4b4ceb393dc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66EEE3800018F; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoOC-0001sQ-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoOC-0001sH-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUoOA-0001Le-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 586EA700008F for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BBE07000097 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.7.57]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0592E700008F for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100112213453229.0592E700008F@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6B4084BD5301434698A5AB201CD4999E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4ceb363b4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Klaus ,=20 Well yes for me I have no problem , my cw rx is not as good as = tx hi but its ok and data is just as much fun as well ..... the pro= blem is when you have spent all your life operating a radio as you= career .. and now it is only a hobby .. you see the 'evil data'= as the devils device that put you out of a job ...the same with= sail boats, steam trains and old motor vehicles... full of expe= rts .. .. for me .. well my job is to think of new , commission= and modify so for me no difference tapping plastic keys (like= now) or brass ones now and then=20 73 - G .=20 From: kkorn42@aol.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:46 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Hi dr Graham, well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any longe= r. Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice"= are good words.=20 I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant! I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy interest= ed in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop. The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, whe= n none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will= be there to fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about= frequ. allocations for a freak-community whose members think, that th= ey have to cross the ocean on foot. 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Klaus ,
 
Well  yes = for me I have no=20 problem , my  cw rx is not as  good  as  tx hi but= its ok=20 and data is just as much fun as well .....  the  problem is= when=20 you  have  spent all your  life operating  a radio= as=20 you  career .. and  now it is only a  hobby .. you = ;=20 see  the  'evil data' as the  devils device that put&nb= sp;=20 you  out of a job ...the  same with  sail boats, steam= =20 trains  and old  motor vehicles...  full  of&= nbsp;=20 experts ..  .. for  me .. well  my  job is=20 to think of  new , commission and  modify=20    so  for  me  no difference tapping pl= astic keys=20 (like now)  or brass ones now and then
 
73 - G .
 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Hi dr Graham,
well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any= =20 longer.
Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justi= ce" are=20 good words.
I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant!
I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also= vy=20 interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop.
 
The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future= , when=20 none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will= be there to=20 fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. alloca= tions for=20 a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the oce= an on=20 foot.
 
73
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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.203]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b65b7df1d8; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CCFA38000096; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbdBA-0008TG-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbdBA-0008T7-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbdB8-0000Ti-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so8346187pxi.30 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:01:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fid71Jn1SwABhVyOM7mXmeLMQJy75pPRlSut22/NVk8=; b=BFw6Mkdko/2qrbQR8P5HQDG1lnQbrHHWRsMKi7k1bFmSYTLMe2nBOLkTzomMOptdD1 CLmaqrY+2iqEfERS1s93nOGegnvBXJQEF+wutJ9z31HnWUKCHJbp2qdWxu/wcLbnOOqs ZxCuq3khYEuxCc/9bWGvVys4tcSOlIAsOb5h8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=upnXBnsQcZZC88YrcATXdeTS3zTL09qBrO+N8ZBcFEOdVdE4WiCb+on4cHauZ3kcB4 5jAygV4OhvOOxkq9GAy3i3ApFPsOCBxTNSRkNy9IozkKI5VDgY3Pmyj2XpdmhohJguqZ QGVPwR2Tjh6RV45filc7HbOWrDdi2uR95pcmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.18 with SMTP id g18mr2381539rva.260.1264957293710; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:01:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:33 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a5b9ae171d11f72d Message-ID: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4b65b7dd5789 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be 1000 Hz. Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any replies/calls in that mode. The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will vary. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPS= K08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600= kHz USB.

I will be using SpecLab Digital Termina= l, the Tx & Rx offset will be 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (da= re I say it) any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be= operated in manually so times between Tx will vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


--001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.22]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b5b160012f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:30:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A0A833800012C; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhvC-00064o-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhvC-00064f-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhv9-00044O-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3229231pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:28:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jPmI0Agax+i4Q+one5EtXK1yAuwdk966PJvmr3YQG5s=; b=p61dXmffAKzLrsCelOUikP7aUQBOG4ta47ufhjht4X2xRCHXAId5SSreUEbmj21RRI 3tSFHuecjYRgvRAoYxfWwX9UxTDuETvI2O1IUVUT/Cuj4O164ME597g+4eglLACB4LKt Pruy1DNncUXoFNxNlmXEqSFozAeycY5VjJUEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vH7hf4qYMDq/Ontmz5TvWdPBv8vGw+8YRCemVcd3fNNAZkCwwEkZUH2ZdZkqPAOfq5 LwBXQAMAS9UQEZYF+dN+smIH11lTa/0xXr7gbpachXjsx1MmcyIVOfiBdC6kY+pYpMfW VMYX6/gwapzXQ2SetBrqa1CR+v91rgaxKvzds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr3019687rvl.250.1264260537243; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:28:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:28:57 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e861d01b4226357f Message-ID: <1f0624b91001230728l3ea0c2ffqa0e2913b3d45cca2@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164b5b15fe0b1f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roger, As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide to JT65A" amongst many others at the following site :- http://www.pe2pe.eu/wsjt_manuals.htm I found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The author Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written it for other Bozo's. 73, Gary - G4WGT On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Thanks for this help Andy. > > I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but > could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If > JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to > people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some > more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I > am sure there will be others who would value this too. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one >> of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >> get it going is in there. >> >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >> >> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >> wide and seems less user friendly. >> >> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >> signal still had discrete tone energy). >> >> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 >> and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now >> GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >> >> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >> be lost for the duration? >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>> >>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger,

As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a= good "Bozo's Guide to JT65A" amongst many others at the fol= lowing site :-


I= found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The= author Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo"= has written it for other Bozo's.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT


On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>= wrote:
Thanks for this help Andy.

I'= d not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could= you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A= looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people= like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some mor= e and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I= am sure there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <an= dy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on th= e WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help file= s. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to recei= ve in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

--
=
http://g3xbm-= qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.bl= ogspot.com/
ht= tp://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5efe4b4f11383b0; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:42:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD9373800008B; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVP0T-0007xb-OH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVP0T-0007xS-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVP0R-0002V3-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAPGfTktZ8bgK/2dsb2JhbACNZAbIc4QwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="287738537" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([89.241.184.10]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 12:40:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4f113636f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gary Have you checked the REU list for your signal? http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there ar= e a good number of unid NDBs in that area.=20 Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Hi Roman, LF, I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at= about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz hi= gher which looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my li= sts for an NDB on that frequency.=20 I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz= either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as= the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne= who may be interested. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB Hi LF! What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg -- Roman RW3ADB. ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Gary
 
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
 
 
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
 
Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fad= es in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning= . At times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher= which=20 looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my= lists for=20 an NDB on that frequency. 

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency &= a few kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as= the HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who= may be=20 interested.

73,  Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <= rw3adb@rambler.ru>

Hi LF!
= What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT=20 grabber around 498.8 kHz?
http://rw3= adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg
http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jp= g

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Roman=20 RW3ADB.


------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5ac4b4b330c137; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:18:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG027-5ac4b4b330c137; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:17:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL4F-0001ux-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL4F-0001uo-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUL4C-0006Rv-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from opc1 (unknown [192.168.1.203]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7363B452 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:23 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:36:32 +0000 David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, John P-G > wrote ... > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > Licence: > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > conducting technical investigations.... Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio frequencies. Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time to undertake this "self-training"? If I decide to spend some time studying how "radio communications" might be affected by variations in propagation conditions then why shouldn't I collaborate with other like minded operators and pool our resources and results. If at another time I decide to study how "radio communications" might be affected by different receiving system architectures why should I have to rely on "2-way real time message passing" to quantify my results if I can obtain (to me) more useful and interesting results in another way. Perhaps another open-minded experimenter is willing to generate some signals for me to study? Perhaps a widely spaced group of them would be willing to participate? Perhaps later the other operator might want to follow his own investigation into transmitting antenna design, and I might act as a remote measurement facility. The knowledge gained into "radio communication" is personal to each operator - you might get nothing from my own recent investigations into "remote HF station control and operation over the internet", and I might get nothing from your chat with someone on 80m CW, or your 599TU report from Aruba on 40m in a contest. If you gain some new insight into an aspect "radio communication" having 2-way, real-time communications - then great, no-one is stopping you. If I gain some insight into an area of "radio communication" from a system like WSPR - then to me that's also "self-training in radio communication". Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of "self-training in radio communication". Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-8baf4b65f10e301; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2031D38000289; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgzW-0000Wx-Rf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgzW-0000Wo-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbgzU-0002Gl-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so8762723pxi.30 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GZsz0JpdWqlFZVQGXNihQWrTi8PNtheyW6E2Wm3kCGY=; b=wDXpemaH5T5RVUb5pauWJmBJi3lriHmITRD9fcgi5M0UIFIK5qegx70r907uk5Iewa KZFDUqLXPr+ADolnKjZ5Sig3yYQsT5NAm5eJN+6anDlTGOC2h2rrpbPSM8+ZgABuxYif KJvzyDYh/FfgXI9WgYG7+UnAPIVnujkmpZS2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WKdmR3Y0Ex+P1BXhZyDb42VQdt2Y+2BVYWNHkOEUIuMNEAUX2GScOtpaL5VNuy1Mxc doaqUm3gtiTdb7Q0S1rBTblaQ3gIYI+a/JXpzHJoC9jJ96AObSh4DKVkZbctIxtMK4bW ckPq0yr//VtlhUPIbNhZ6IM1U5xQeR4ohH4wA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr2538801rvi.58.1264971948454; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:48 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b9cc47f2a2a277e4 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001311305y1abd7a75ua2bd3ca0355d2aea@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b65f10c16e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, Thank you for your decode via the Twente Web SDR. It is almost 100% with just the word transmission with an incorrect letter. Not sure were the {10= } comes from at the start, just another small error. I am monitoring 503.400 to 504.000 kHz but not seen the PSK31 signal. Thanks for looking. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:05, Markus Vester wrote: > Dear Gary, > > decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audiostream a few minutes before 20 UT: > > {10}Test transpission from G4WGT > Locator IO83qo > Tx RF 5=D8 watts > ERP 2=D8=D8 mW > Mode and station control by SpecLab > Test de G4WGT > > There was also a weaker PSK31 signal a few Hz up for a short while. > > Best 73, > Markus, DF6NM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* LF Group (RSGB) > *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:01 PM > *Subject:* LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > > LF, > > I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. > The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. > > I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be 100= 0 > Hz. > > Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. > > I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any > replies/calls in that mode. > The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will vary. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > --000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus,

Thank you for your decode via the Twente= Web SDR. It is almost 100% with just the word transmission with an incorr= ect letter. Not sure were the {10} comes from at the start, just another= small error.

I am monitoring 503.400 to 504.000 kHz but not seen th= e PSK31 signal.

Thanks for looking.
73, Gary - G4WGT.


On 31 January 2010 20:05, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
=
Dear Gary,
=A0
decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audio= stream a few=20 minutes=A0before 20 UT:
=A0
{10}Test=20 transpission from G4WGT
Locator IO83qo
Tx RF 5=D8 watts
ERP 2=D8=D8 mW
Mode and station control by SpecLab
Test de G4WGT
=A0
There was also a=A0weaker PSK31 signa= l a few Hz=20 up for a short while.
=A0
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:0= 1=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08

LF,=20

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.

I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset wi= ll be=20 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say= it)=20 any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will=20 vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



--000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5b44b5c60ef189; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG035-5b44b5c60ef189; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3xF-0006YS-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3xF-0006YJ-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ3xE-0008Rp-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0OF0ZUk032386 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:35 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.ca0.69158f0c (34935) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-5c354b5c608b70; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:31 -0500 Received: from magic-m06.mail.aol.com (magic-m06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.2]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB023-5c354b5c608b70; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:27 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:27 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 93.14.72.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You. Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!! TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR) Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter) + variometer inside RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You.
Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!!
 
TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w
Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR)
Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter)  += =20 variometer inside
 
RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro
Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT
 
 
 --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a1f4b58c453162; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:17:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b58c453162; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:17:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4O2-0007Pl-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4O2-0007Pc-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4O0-0000MX-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so508704fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oy8uwvvJTO40lb62xJQ5nSGC+EC5clib/pSm/F8/mLQ=; b=BhR6AgK+dTUWfL9NJUAGg0thCUL6SNwrF9/ZpV/FSFbbfGFVdFuYCy928QvChgKesI FcB5Hprw4heO5xNMqu+M5smmr6FglGTXU6IEkP2p18+/aOh3XHQs8GZkVbjPCnoxc2RN QsjKZZJt4nS7eUxagSBIMU5OJd6DdK0G1doWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c0MzYEqKnN0aZi53LtikULvnp0hWDHkbUWux9Ryh7Rib8hehNidNQ8JUF1Wru4quk+ +9W/SqCy2jA9EW2DYWI8WqezRxn6Bpz91WB3aiwN0vcYf8M3CABjb9gbktezcqTrd7SJ 2q1Cn+5cvVU2goJlByNez4HtIZKgk1YPtPMAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.148 with SMTP id p20mr233495hbh.7.1264108569977; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64095d445647f047db336dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64095d445647f047db336dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each >> even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >> >> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >> replies. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > --0016e64095d445647f047db336dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.





--0016e64095d445647f047db336dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI072-eacf4b5623be2e5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:27:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C421238000175; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLai-0003pZ-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLaf-0003pQ-Gk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLac-0000Kh-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2779738pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:26:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OhPYgb/PxfpIkB/Y75rdlisupQBQOsonK2UH2Upb40A=; b=SK2b39wp6NNJKUpCS/HBhjw7KtSz3YIA5WCHJvh/JGH2ml5AKKSzHXZX6l0p3jXMwW NLETtRGSZ7oNYlGkzM1HL4tjm5TTlODjZagUc1m07o6WYxiz+W+Y85dBvQqi/gt4Suow vLmFUbSxFfN7GBTr2jmm3Qa7ds0/q8IQR4/Lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=xEV0LYI7Wf0DOLbvjoD2Z/kA0Ji9Oewp2UCQG5629Xs9qF9HTUwLOSTMr+RhDmf7fi aqMeeHA3AAM4Xifg++QRIiyGrc3j6idPlyBtdpQySta2YCTA13jb4TLBujr7PaUgZTnI VT+nEHuw4kOA569tEsNh7qWfYu2GMBes8xZSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.88.6 with SMTP id q6mr2725816rvl.91.1263936370937; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f164eccbe720151c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b5623bc3821 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ko & Andy, Thanks Ko for further decodes. Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at the pdf for more info, thanks. I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some reason. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 > characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and > the WSJT documantation > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >> >> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>> >>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>> >>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>> >>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>> >>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Gary >>> Just received: >>> >>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> >>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ko & Andy,

Thanks Ko for further decodes.

Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I wil= l look at the pdf for more info, thanks.

I also= believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some reason.=

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail= .com>
In its plain=A0text mode which you= have used, it can cope with just 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://w= ww.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documant= ation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight= I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation= is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



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boundary=000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4a24936fcb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? > > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current > antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is > around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed > accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting > and antenna configuration? > > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one > knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible > to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on > its performance with other known signals. > > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the > remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the > same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it > fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? > > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a > great 2010 > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > > > > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > ** > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz= Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him= to hear very weak signals than many others.

For what it's wort= h, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany= (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand,= that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable co= nditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night= . The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the= propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WS= PR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setti= ng with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is= there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expect= ed Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio betwee= n two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at= least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other know= n signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining =A08dB= or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability= as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for= the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010=

With best re= gards

=A0

=A0

Jim

=A0

=A0

Dr. James Co= wburn G7NKS

= E james.cowburn@virgin.n= et

=A0

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--000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9184b4f8d29169; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:31:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184b4f8d29169; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:31:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXGi-00031r-V8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXGi-00031i-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from mcgi57.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXGf-0004v7-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from mcgi57.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi57.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD8411431 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.195] by mcgi57.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:02 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, LF! TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. Is't real to be an NDB ID. Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]: > Hi All at LF, > > Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. > > The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios > using > my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? That signal is absent today on the grabber. > of > NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it > was > there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. > > My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the > signal > not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had > disappeared as well. > > You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card > is > an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > > > Hi Tracey, > > > > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID > :- > > > > > 498.7 > > *NT* 0 UNID > XUU > > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID > when/if > > it gets strong enough. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > > > > Hello Gary > >> > >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > >> > >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >> > >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there > are a > >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. > >> > >> Tracey > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT > >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > >> > >> Hi Roman, LF, > >> > >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > >> > >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at > about > >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times > there > >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which > looks > >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB > on that > >> frequency. > >> > >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz > either > >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF > side of > >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > >> interested. > >> > >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> > >>> > >>> Hi LF! > >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Roman RW3ADB. > >>> > >>> > >> > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b423a17e1; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:57:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 830CE380000F3; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRs6P-0001G1-JU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRs6P-0001Fs-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRs6N-0000Ag-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 21204 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mQ4VEgrdph+cQjuHS87pVwNXh9rh+Y3wDn0D5D+mqaPCa6LjdE5wh2f9HEFdByBJxv28Eci10qeswerGYwZbsJJwAU7lZ0pw5GytuuvSo2nGdsZ0/oA9Tfll3u9tsQ30b6zwvjxA7aP22Cl5OkLFoFAk3qw/Yu6bvUIRC3nKi2A= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: .FPyq2QVM1lgEYda_BViNGqds.wYoeWa8J8rJR7_QMgijio..hIaYPGE7Xy50aPQ7trGD1m4_w7waA8ZtSdMJlPQVF5XUanpathdU8gPx2LOac6VrS0_BSAVm.hJZlSUSPGLd2arQ7IfTCdeWvrnhbM7MuYIUR8a.wZEAiXIb5bTyJG8mb_KbPxzcInSTSJJFsF8cBdmqQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <76CBD5EABC614F83846BA8DB4BB0076F@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b423a1612f7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60,= =20 please?
Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.130]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b5225fa8f; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:47:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 95C983800009C; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWFXp-0004dG-Ik for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWFXp-0004d7-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWFXn-0004Gq-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 21801 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 20:46:45 -0000 Received: from 188-23-90-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.90.143]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jan 2010 20:46:44 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1263674804.5160.15.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Experimental OE Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b5225f86b02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear group! I have moved my temporary and experimental grabber to http://members.aon.at/grabber The page should auto-update every 3 Minutes. I do not plan to run a 7/24 grabber like Markus (DF6NM---many thanks) does but if my service is of use for anybody, I could activate it upon request (also on 500khz). I have limited experience in operating the complex "Spectrum-Lab"-software and so any ideas for improvement of setup are welcome. Good DX es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI023-eabc4b4243a918e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:38:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62484380125F1; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRryy-000191-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRryy-00018s-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRryw-00005j-26 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAGAOvGQUtcG7A5/2dsb2JhbACIKs1nhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="266168275" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.176.57]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 18:48:38 +0000 Message-ID: <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:48:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b4238452b4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120,= 240 and 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hits th= e whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongo= lia !! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > Hi Horst, > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is ha= rdly a > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time= beats > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may= not be on > this site? > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3,= for > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is= worse > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW.= Thats > part of the game . . . > Horst > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Chris" > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to sa= ve > > time). > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.81]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-869a4b4b636c31b; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:44:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B19EA380000A3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOI8-0004MQ-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOI8-0004MH-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOI6-0002vA-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F89113414B for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID710oakRQ11377X02; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:52 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID710oakRQ11377X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.247.34] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 222oakRQY1472M40; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:50 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.247.34 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:42:47 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> In-Reply-To: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID222oakRQY1472X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60514b4b63691781 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > frequencies. > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > to undertake this "self-training"? There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO kinds of ham radio licenses... License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques or experiment old ones, either by building themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where "communication" is to be intended with the meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to talk with other B-licensed persons, usually of subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, or by operating a mechanical switch that interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with substantial fines in case of invasion of the other slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags Chewers with Rags Chewers.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-8bf14b6579887e; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:37:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 12965380000B9; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbYvy-0007sS-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbYvv-0007sJ-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbYvp-0006xS-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAGUGZUtZ8UPl/2dsb2JhbACNIwPIcoRFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,377,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="300793184" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.67.229]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 12:28:59 +0000 Message-ID: <004201caa270$f3d9e220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 NEW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b65797d0f3f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA3FYX new one on 500. His first qso on 500 with me this morning. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PA3FYX new one on 500. His first qso= on=20 500 with me this morning.
 
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a0b4b6143098c; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:56:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b4b6143098c; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:55:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPCt-0001Io-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPCt-0001If-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaPCr-0003U4-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6513951C001 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326ADF3862 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:18 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:26 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Joe, good copy (539) around midnight local time (23 UTC). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 03:13 28/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Roelof, > >THank-you for the signal reports. > >73 >Joe VO1NA > > > > > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > > > Best regards, > > Roelof > > ===================================================================== > > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > > Locator: JO11tm > > > > Receiver: > > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > > ====================================================================== > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5f344b3e9e4a3b2; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF57F3800004E; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQsZR-0002sh-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQsZR-0002sY-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQsZP-0006lm-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o021Du40089047; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:14:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> From: "M. Sanders" To: Cc: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:13:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b3e9e493357 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet publi= shed the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Dutc= h Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector= that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting= in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs= VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegan= g tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effec= ten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de ra= ndvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz ba= nd. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale= voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moete= n hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collec= tieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inho= ud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de vereniging= en nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaar= den voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddel= s met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de vereniging= en verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen= individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend= via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch= Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for th= e 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the mos= t recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all t= heir=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about th= e process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to participate&nb= sp;in the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have already been pr= ocessed by=20 the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF inte= rested parties=20 via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recor= ded=20 below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still=  be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, tra= nsmitting=20 on an frequency band without official permission. It looks like= it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publication= s have=20 been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA ha= ve=20 informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participa= tion to=20 the experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date= =20 somewhere in the future will be in order, and not= legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of= 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atl= antic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio pi= racy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=  his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz vo= or=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober= 2009 zijn=20 afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen= zullen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieb= and in=20 relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld= voor de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nat= ionale=20 voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten= hiervoor=20 een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunne= n=20 uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunni= ng aan bij=20 Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co= =F6rdinator=20 voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoerin= g van het=20 experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergu= nninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de= uitvoering=20 van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informere= n hoe zij=20 in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom= niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze= =20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 201= 0 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz

Rik,

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.<= /DIV>

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>
I just worked= PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-86b14b660560117; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3C941380000FA; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbiLA-0000wW-Vi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbiLA-0000wN-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbiL7-0002kS-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 46341 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=bGVST+PRLcZUyWcU6mMap0RakbkC8ZRrWPYga3BGtK0aZXUiDUPKgIbtnEbzxgE0bElwDaYzoe/mFEjgF7JSyIPD4I/DSCMNxb5kOECveSBo1adJtttEHBC6JvC3H/KGUwaxPD7V9aifDiXTvYZJqjetzcTAWGq9kFTemHkuIDE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: CkDvCqsVM1lJcoPLPOTaKEgRF4E3jDhsXCVI7TqyekXR_JWOX1jv5wspedAwVZCsbJmdoHa1gz6pkxLzBdiApWJO7eMj6zjwfiOwJsU84PwWOByrRqBIWcFG6xgTj8IvQZ2c6mfxMHIXZV72aJx6xzG_NHmNNBW9.msGZW_SvZ0BIlRn_3lYLLeD308UYUlyd3FtYsV_02mFJbcH4Qr2u8Aq_Gtcy4AUccy.9eRu.W5B.I1YGZUsW7uTTWLydtxiZsV7y.qVIQxoBBL6GwFUx74R1tZ9eTShn11.CSw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <722A368928D24CF388E2BC7DDACA5B9B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b66055e1c4f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, I think the only "errors" in the decoded text are where there is some incompatibility with the fonts in the e-mail programs, making the "zero with a line through it" come out wrong. The actual decoded text here was reasonably error free, except during the nulls of fades, when the signal became too weak to decode at all. Not as good as JT4A with its error correcting code in this respect, although considerably faster, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus had great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not so. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-59d4b57871617b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG012-59d4b57871617b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjG7-0001cM-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjG7-0001c8-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:43 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjG4-0000MP-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:42 +0000 Received: from COL122-W21 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:34 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:42:34.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD247F0:01CA9A21] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_" Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations,=20 "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie, LF!

2214   4  1.9   0.503898&= nbsp; 0 PA0A JO33 37

22= 16 -29  2.0   0.503819  0 G3ZJO IO92 17

= 2230   8  2.1   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37
=
My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE= : LF: G3XBM

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Yeh ! Con= gratulations Roger.

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<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Lubos you= have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">73=

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Eddie G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratulations,&n= bsp; "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos OK= 2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.

 

No virus found in this incoming= message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00


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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.209]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b40ea2b35c; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:04:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51E383800593F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVJ7-0003tR-Jq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVJ7-0003tG-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVJ5-0001N5-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so5481501fxm.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kvNlnjkLkkmzFODnPbmeAmhwJc6u1v3uX+HWb7CVaHs=; b=HPa54woSGgCcyGIZ1ufsHSC1liwjKrqfMFhTakAUg34LYPbH9FytbRBbIsvr8C2urD QR99J8919McVijxx0XZD3/IfGBZ4QNy5yRpOHvOI6nur7PmIfgXDlmBEZj9HT75+HJCF ONyXBPTFUPfYXF0w5MVvtmovS9Oin4KGv2ttg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cTuRqWzDwgTBo0Xgs+24dZsQr9GM5fcd8jtvpGJC9YaznX7ZyRk8RecG6AymzkqmR3 6E6pekQpybdzrl0ud9kn7KieBWfA6ObMAwLmw/ckWiZyBoZeu5rwxl4ohTpzPHrr+1jg yxYeOwRsJSPF8AiKFCmCcWiU9wE4g2kT2VGms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.82 with SMTP id t18mr639111hbg.196.1262543757635; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:35:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b40e3c7640b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) For some of us, fun does not mean simple... It means using the latest techniques, learning as we go along and trying new ideas It would be nice if amateur radio could stay no more than a decade behind everything else happening in the world of radio communications. We're still somewhere in the late 1990's, technology wise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/3 Graham : > Rik, >> Talking of 'key's' =A0 its =A0starting to =A0look like Mal has been =A0= right =A0for a > long time .. the =A0effort required > to =A0generate anything =A0more than a =A0on/off carrier on 500 =A0is ta= king =A0it > through the =A0'fun' barrier for > most operators .. and =A0the =A0stability requirements of the =A0likes= of wspr > leaves one open to a =A0little > technical banter .. what other =A0mode has 'banana' as one of the accept= ed > report's (at least please > send with =A0other foot =A0takes some time to =A0key) > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b4c1d953ad; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:58:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFEFE3800007F; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUagY-0007aN-0O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUagX-0007aE-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUagV-0003hT-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009C4FCA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:56:54 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070600010504080809050006" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b4c1d932352 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------070600010504080809050006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. 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09:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:40:02 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 17:40:02.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[C40C8F70:01CA9609] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 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Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon:

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1608 -31&nbs= p; 0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1632 -30 -0.5 &n= bsp; 0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20

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Dal=B9=ED= informace. =3D --_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-8bb24b60b7442bf; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:59:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 64C143800020A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFuM-0006Wb-2r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFuL-0006WR-Nx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:41 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFuI-0007SN-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:41 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0RLwWNi089176 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:58:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:11 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b60b7415d4d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, Last night I had excellent aural reception of WE2XGR/B and VX9MRC. WE2XGR/B was approximately 12 dB stronger than the bandnoise and Joe 10 dB. 27-01-2010 03:00 UTC WE2XGR/B 507.300 kHz 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz Best regards, Roelof ===================================================================== From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E Locator: JO11tm Receiver: PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna ====================================================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME011-9e34b5cdfb8128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:03:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34b5cdfb8128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:03:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCPH-0002p2-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCPH-0002ot-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:15 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCPF-0003kd-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:14 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0P025bV027813 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:05 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d06.6c3c7faa (34909) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.130]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-d3ef4b5cdf6e283; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:00 -0500 Received: from magic-m08.mail.aol.com (magic-m08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.4]) by smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD023-d3ef4b5cdf6e283; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:01:50 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: <46625.76ca05fd.388e396e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:01:50 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 93.14.72.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Henny, =20 Z : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a NDB from Zilina / Slovakia BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB from unknown location (maybe= =20 central europe) =20 _http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php_ (http://www.classax e.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php)=20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas NDB hunter since 2004 =20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl= a =20 =E9crit : Hi LF, =20 Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s =20 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Henny,
 
Z   : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a= NDB=20 from Zilina / Slovakia
BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB fro= m=20 unknown location (maybe central europe)
 
 
F4DTL Nicolas
NDB hunter since 2004
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plane= t.nl a=20 =E9crit :
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL on=20 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-86474b4aa87320c; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:26:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 67E82380000F8; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUBq8-0008D6-4p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUBq7-0008Cx-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:15 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUBq4-000383-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:15 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so71370165yxe.30 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=umUzPhknTRZJx41+2a8iEoc9fEts1nNsZYPyQCS+Xp0=; b=dMXbttLgfZdRFcG+iIbhJxwN7o4AfgTDY8kW0IwmBWlYhZ70aOFeSwYmnxLi49mGqd BzeVsN+gAvXBa8DqMZIeKfIWKec78oxCN44XNiRd6XWCAcl5edgp0hBTgnjyODAKI4Jd iA5ppsD8jyQZVeeNm4Q54XvRhFbfQ8YT8B9nQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YEecaKvFGzmpLkRjah64FQ65gaoA8OdiTXOduRjeQA06bo2ecOlxxphYRUQ4Nmk2Qd BIm+YYuEQuxLuOeAcX49X20EdIhliI2EeH0PtjJ+BFhgQDq7/wMOWNWW8IIU0ApK7/Rh ENzMqYYagZ+EOvk3wFldZCVt8acACV81VBeqs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.117.25 with SMTP id p25mr9705784ybc.139.1263183906676; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b4aa87257be X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Laurence, Monitoring 137? XGJ is in QRSS 60 mode on 137.7798 -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Laurence KL1X < hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote: > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X > BP51ip 7066 347 > > PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > > Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > > 73 > > Laurence KL 1 X > (remote ops) > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > --000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence,
=A0=A0Monitoring 137? XGJ is in QRSS 60 mode on 137.7798
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73 Warren K2ORS
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Laurence= KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503899=A0 =A0-25=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A05=A0 =A0KL1X=A0 =A0BP51ip=A0 =A07066=A0 =A0347=A0
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PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
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Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
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73
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Laurence KL 1 X
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--000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b5b264916d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:39:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDB95380000BD; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYj0B-0006QC-9P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYj0A-0006Q3-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:22 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYj07-0004PO-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:22 +0000 Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so369249fxm.29 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:38:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gh4Ga2urNvuazWn8vppiQF11TEOEtvrMO5sNp8D7F2Q=; b=UsnQrsuWLJZ+ZK6vq5fCrQvTcXJcXZy06aGzCNgz9eytORRVPS32wjtrREkWPZMDch xtM/FASox5qngfXGNm0ZIU0f+8T6PmIrfV5yP7U/oSXQQyX/hCQWNfLah+rR9OaO6vv0 x7FdXogKuJOsdI0HGIb3Fcws+Xp3hyl4YiIFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Cg5yvJNX6vCET8XSYFiDWZeJaQbTw5e46yB4whPPhfAL1XclEvYearOb8hv62PhoZa W+Ah+QWQet0S5mBAfn5biEGRT795zkA1oIi0yCiuywNDrtNHF1zm3ZF2Uv2vdDfmB+/2 pg2KmJPoesdlp4BMrKn/U0HvH0WNLu8EM4vDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.191.203 with SMTP id c11mr494528hbi.65.1264264691145; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b5b264777a4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Thanks for this help Andy. > > I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but > could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If > JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to > people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some > more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I > am sure there will be others who would value this too. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one >> of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >> get it going is in there. >> >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >> >> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >> wide and seems less user friendly. >> >> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >> signal still had discrete tone energy). >> >> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 >> and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now >> GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >> >> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >> be lost for the duration? >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>> >>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designe= d for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit ant= isocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more importantly, as= my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said...
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To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WS= PR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a band= width change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in= S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth= difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 Th= e differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the same= algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@= gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this help Andy.
I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon= , but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perha= ps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs= to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mod= e some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be= useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on= the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help= files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that frequency. I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be interested. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > > Hi LF! > What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd11604dea41a047d1e8ad9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800= kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves= & the signal fades in at about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700u= tc the following morning. At times there appears to an accompanying parall= el signal about 1 kHz higher which looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment)= ,=A0but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequenc= y & a few kHz either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF sid= e as well as the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF= for anyne who may be interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>

Hi LF!
What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz?
http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg<= br> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg<= /a>

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with ESMTP id C0365495BB1 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 Message-ID: <1262547036.4b40f05cbc380@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> In-Reply-To: <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b40f09c7f19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Correction: The correct time is 1912UTC. At first I deducted 2 hours from the clock already showing UTC... My log of received ham/experimental stations + X-band QSO's around 600m si= nce September 2007 can be found here: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/500_log.txt > LF > > Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: > > PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal, PA0A= seems > to > have difficulties copying him. > > RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins > ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. > > > Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector members= ! > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC061-a96f4b505244110; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:32:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 82BEA38000143; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkOa-00075j-40 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkOZ-00075a-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVkOX-0001t4-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:15 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so431605bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:31:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FsRhlvHG4Xs6BAGf9HWUmNnirrJoruJ2SlZukbTYC6Y=; b=DPVSsh8jo3YOIVbjO638EducAnEBDcxCs+7GYE6jQpnKfaiGoHl8/ocIkZjHyJvoKM 4sycHkgWv6DpmOZDTgs8X789vO+kRpfdL4gqWguSEMVmlo7aj8B8i5hXCoa/kSI/y1MM d2HSvRAUyR0Z/bRb21WPWac9nzkTad6rAd0bc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CNuZ9lk4I/3BcOPMYocMVcu7m3J/MQtir5+2M9Jc6JsZPWCU3/+P9xcRa+l1M1TaVZ YMzlmt0qoCun+RGqZucqsQ23sJW7ST5PrP4+gpq7fRux9hPdxxzcxIy63JhbfgJ+ajtA fYkjP/EJ55/gg1fc++oc2t5QMGK0v0KYTMUUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.68 with SMTP id n4mr1200808bkw.68.1263555066519; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:31:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150331r5ef8886dt2017542053cb5a08@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b5052425708 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Lubos. If I reach you I would be SO happy. 73s and "good hunting" tonight! Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole this evening and nigh= t. > I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz. It would be very > interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad, LFR1000) and= two > home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109, the other with 4 > tubes). I will try them! > Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000 > From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 > > Lubos, > > Keep looking for *G3XBM* please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away an= d > would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, bu= t > have already reached 990kms. > > 73s > Roger > > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Lubos. If I reach you I would be SO happy.

73s and "goo= d hunting" tonight!

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole thi= s evening and night. I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz.= It would be very interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad= , LFR1000) and two=A0 home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109,= the other with 4 tubes). I will try them!
Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH.

73!

Lubos, OK2B= VG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmai= l.com
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500

Lubos,
Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000= kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running= 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger



Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.



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--0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.221]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b3f164d258; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:47:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 21C5A38000089; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Zb-0003U1-Fq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Zb-0003Ts-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR0Za-0005IJ-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100102094657.SMGX17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:46:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100102094656.OCRZ13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:46:56 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:46:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B3F1605.31438.3F046F5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B3E2FF8.20187.6DA323@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8dEDhkX0UAQ67q90SMIA:9 a=qIqfvWgjjkX0qJPRBlzdL0rxjDMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: XDV on 136.32kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dd4b3f164c3363 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK, Andrey. Thanks for the grabber. I hope it is back soon. 73 de Mike, G3XDV ============== > My grabber will not work some time - it is necessary to alter > lengthening coil. > > HNY! > 73 Andrey > > >I will beacon again overnight using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. The icy > > and dry weather is very good for the antenna current which is 10% up > > on normal, but it seems conditions were poor last night. > > > > I note that PA3CPM is still on 136.3182kHz. We were joined by OE5ODL > > last night on 136.321kHz. > > > > Any DX listeners out there? Has anyone got a grabber on the Eu DX > > window, apart from DF6NM and RN3AGC? > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ============ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9d14b4385cf7c; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME085-9d14b4385cf7c; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:32:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSECC-0004RO-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSECC-0004RF-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSEC9-0007ax-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgANADMUQ0tOkdws/2dsb2JhbACCFoYtAcs6hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="261627179" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.220.44]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:31:48 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:31:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8e35$586315e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good.. :-) He makes my blood boil at times; I manage to keep my fingers off the keyboard though. I bet if we visited him we would spend all day and find him very interesting, I am sure he is a fine operator in his field. He should widen out and be more tolerant for sure; heaven knows I am a miserable old fool but I do try to see both sides of things. There is no way he is going to even try and understand WSPR is there. WSPR has its faults, one being its too easy for the appliance ops who think it adjust the power output of the rig. It sure inspired me right from day one. Mal should have a go at K1JT personally, I find him to be an obstinate rottweiler, they should get on like a house on fire:-) Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes.= That's good..

J

 

He makes my blood boil= at times; I manage to keep my fingers off the keyboard though. I bet if we visited him we= would spend all day and find him very interesting, I am sure he is a fine operator= in his field.

 

He should widen= out and be more tolerant for sure; heaven knows I am a miserable old fool but I do try to see both= sides of things. There is no way he is going to even try and understand WSPR is= there.

WSPR has its fa= ults, one being its too easy for the appliance ops who think it adjust the power output of the= rig. It sure inspired me right from day one.

 

Mal should have= a go at K1JT personally, I find him to be an obstinate rottweiler, they should get on like a hous= e on fireJ

 

Eddie

 




------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.79]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b633f50144; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:04:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 000C0380000D6; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nax3g-0008BT-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nax3f-0008BJ-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:11 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nax3c-0003Zj-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:11 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=47939 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1Nax3W-000E4a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:03:02 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <006a01caa11e$0dc0cb30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <06D2FCE49D5049D293B2F749823AF7D5@Black> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:02:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b633f4a6831 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Many thanks, Markus! 73 Andrey Dear Andrey, yes your 5 watt beacon was visible here until about 23:15, with maximum fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m. 73 de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message ----- From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b5b6d26307; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:41:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0904B380000EE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYniK-0000Ps-EN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYniK-0000Pj-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYniI-0005zw-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42E13B4D8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:30 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100123214030.66e36325@opc1> In-Reply-To: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b5b6d243268 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:28 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > These signals are audible with me. And your point is...? Perhaps the idea so to go further afield than Scarborough? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5ee44b576b01386; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:43:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 725073800007C; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhNu-000863-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhNu-00085u-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhNs-0007cc-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWK00GLWC6UC3@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:42:31 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:42:27 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 20-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8COGQxHQdk8xr3NZQ/cs7w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b576afe1f53 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_8COGQxHQdk8xr3NZQ/cs7w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uGr48hGhLMrWYOQI4uJKxQ)" --Boundary_(ID_uGr48hGhLMrWYOQI4uJKxQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello,LF, Nice capture UA4WPF Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 20-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello,LF,
Nice capture UA4WPF
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Markus. 73 de G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Who? It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing most nights around this QRG. 73= de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: Who? Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Markus.
73 de G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 8:11=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Who?

It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconin= g most=20 nights around this QRG. 73 de Markus (DF6NM)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 9:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Who?

Station is still sending WX, anyb= ody know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QR= SS60,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-5f34b4f4e0c35f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34b4f4e0c35f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT4J-0000r1-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT4J-0000qr-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT4G-0002Ps-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAJrcTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACNZQbAEoswhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="293543630" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 17:00:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca953b$20e1f9d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:00:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A 160m wire beam would be a reasonable size. I used a 160m single ele= vert quad loop for a while, I have room for a reflector but never put= one up. My fixed direction was N/S. On 160 using 3 inv V antennas spr= ead out in line across a field would do nicely but for 500 a different= story. mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Mal (et al) Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom thi= s is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up= a corner of a garden.=20 For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el= beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX= CZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V= design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A 160m wire beam would be a reasonabl= e size. I used=20 a 160m single ele vert quad loop for a while, I have room for a r= eflector=20 but never put one up. My fixed direction was N/S. On 160 using 3= inv V=20 antennas spread out in line across a field would do nicely but&nb= sp;for 500=20 a different story.
 
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 4:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500=

Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher= than our=20 local church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA= there will=20 be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long ant= enna would=20 only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas,= see also=20 the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated= http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA.=20 Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
= Roger=20 G3XBM


2010/1/14 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole=20 on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b51101531f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:02:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA9B538000100; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVx2A-0002PD-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVx2A-0002P4-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:58 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVx29-00050j-Te for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 57499 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2010 01:00:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263603652; bh=9mqnuxAD/7JMB3TtZ92ICOAQwvPjO69y9xgCL5ukyNA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pYjsTnFT7nGTgLc6sxIrw/4CArcOSWLFaJq5f+mxu8WFx+pvSBxq0CoV5KSm3ofSanT0ptztRjSy4/ewSDfJHMMuL/VBQTH5VgvwwclBTsOx9gzbMNE0cAtSCXFIm/jCBa43vXxet1MctTtycQ0kF/0j5BXglYDrSGJurWs8HZg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mTHqBfS2KRx8yjAKhb2HEkISux73+HezIRV0mqI2UeSjdXm9NTKJ1orY8sEw8DA37tf7lIQdKhfQGOfkdygDY2EePrlMdxMQgqiopW3n1N7yh6KDN+pOvqGVYFZIzZ7a/AC48WbWWvieyu21plIugsDmPMtJkwpImvDWYA9pRDg=; Message-ID: <467468.55676.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WeEswG8VM1krb9BzA7oC_i3e3UmVRFqH7eI4GTRmg2d9uBB2FGbhTfcTg21X.3QOy43N6RAZy1O9md665r_6M5RemT40MlrHXo2OQohGCRKKNoDcvgDZLkZyx9GFU6B.AEpFaoG2VKH25ZHBW9GAHg103mXvGcujqcXZn4BRRdCfrw28J4ooWnWqtzVEEMCOgV6kMnjtMp6GyZcJy6pOOIy_iQwCklM12rSujkPo8WTeQWOk71K.sw1KgVBmcKY5KOk5Jh1Lv1zk4iSAeMpWJBQ- Received: from [86.149.156.87] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5110135222 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OOOK I'll buy that.=20 =A0 Lee points out the faint joining lines of constant frequency during period= between expansion and contraction of the side bands. Indicating multi-fre= quency (harmonic) modulation at constant amplitude then ramped to "off" an= d on "startup" the oppsite happens. OK OK. Some kind of motor control then= . Right.....=A0OK then .............. teach me to ask a silly question! =A0 The signal appears pulsed, I guess that accounts for the harmonic modulati= on content? =A0 Thanks for the explanation. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, John P-G wrote: From: John P-G Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 21:37 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not > the mirror image how does that work.=20 Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich waveform that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J =20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OOOK I'll buy that.
 
Lee points out the faint joining lines of constant frequency during= period between expansion and contraction of the side bands. Indicating mu= lti-frequency (harmonic) modulation at constant amplitude then ramped to= "off" and on "startup" the oppsite happens. OK OK. Some kind of motor con= trol then.
Right..... OK then .............. teach me to ask a silly questi= on!
 
The signal appears pulsed, I guess that accounts for the harmonic mod= ulation content?
 
Thanks for the explanation.
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri,= 15/1/10, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:=

From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.= uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 21:37

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST)
M0FMT= <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wro= te:

> Too glib
>  
> I can visualise the whiske= r pointing in the direction of time but not
> the mirror image how= does that work.

Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically= rich waveform, which
reduces in frequency......


then after= a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich
waveform that= now increases in frequency......

Not too difficult to imagine?
=
What's the time scale on the spectrogram?

A motor that slows do= wn, stops and then speeds up?


J


<= /td>

=20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.82]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-8bcf4b5793682a3; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:36:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C96213800007D; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk53-0002l9-2H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk52-0002l0-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:20 +0000 Received: from mcgi64.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXk4z-0001zm-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:20 +0000 Received: from mcgi64.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi64.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F71511522 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.13.114] by mcgi64.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:06 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <1128689800.1264030506.47635240.13375@mcgi64.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60524b5793661dfb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, LF! OK, I'm understood. There is no any ideas what is a signal? Roman * Gary - G4WGT [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]: > Roman, LF, > > I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum > line > that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a repeated > 1 > minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken into > 1 > minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box > for > clearer display. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > > 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > > > Hi Gary, LF! > > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. > > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. > > Is't real to be an NDB ID. > > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. > > > > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 > +0000]: > > > >> Hi All at LF, > >> > >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. > >> > >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios > >> using > >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a > >> > > couple > > > > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? > > That signal is absent today on the grabber. > > > > of > >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet > >> > > it > > > >> was > >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. > >> > >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the > >> signal > >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference > had > >> disappeared as well. > >> > >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound > >> > > card > > > >> is > >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. > >> > >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > >> > >> > Hi Tracey, > >> > > >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following > >> > > UNID > > > >> :- > >> > > >> > > >> > >> 498.7< > > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > > > > > > >> > *NT* 0 UNID > >> > >> > XUU > > > >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID > >> when/if > >> > it gets strong enough. > >> > > >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > >> > > >> > Hello Gary > >> >> > >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > >> >> > >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >> >> > >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that > there > >> are a > >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. > >> >> > >> >> Tracey > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT > >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > >> >> > >> >> Hi Roman, LF, > >> >> > >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > >> >> > >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in > at > >> about > >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At > >> > > times > > > >> there > >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher > which > >> looks > >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an > NDB > >> on that > >> >> frequency. > >> >> > >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few > kHz > >> either > >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the > >> > > HF > > > >> side of > >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > >> >> interested. > >> >> > >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi LF! > >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-86ad4b634c1126; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3532380001A6; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naxtu-0008Mx-D6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naxtu-0008Mo-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naxtr-0003sC-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 01B5E7000097 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:57:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9118700009B for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:56:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.76]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 966497000097 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:56:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129205659616.966497000097@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <99BFE8BFE3414326AE731F3D263C55E7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:56:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100129-1, 29/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b634c0f3859 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Looks like they have re invented the near filed antenna as demonstrated at the Egham hfc a while ago .. G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alberto di Bene" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas > > On 1/29/2010 10:30 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> have a look at >> http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2010_0126.htm#antenna . >> They claim antennas with 95% efficiency and dimensions of only 2% of >> the wavelength or less. But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > A follow-on to the EH contraption ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b5571fad; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:48:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DBFD38000066; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9kY-0008DK-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9kX-0008DB-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:45 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX9kU-0003X5-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:45 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA937B804D for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A0631E702 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WE2XGR tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b5571f8627e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I just had a look at the www.wspr.net database and noticed impressive SNR values on the WE2XGR signals in Europe. To my experience -12 to -15 dB is the limit for an audible signal (CW copy), -3dB should be OK for SSB ! I am just a bit fussed why /3 is relatively weak (on average -10dB on /6, while its ERP is 3dB more). Unless the given values are TX output power instead of ERP (in that case i can also stop wondering how to get 200W ERP without setting things on fire ;-) - unless you have a really BIG antenna). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T 2010-01-19 07:30 WE2XGR/6 0.511499 -3 0 FN12 100 M0LMH IO93gx 5464 49 2010-01-19 03:30 WE2XGR/6 0.511500 -4 0 FN12 100 M0BMU IO91vr 5630 51 2010-01-19 01:22 WE2XGR/6 0.511499 -4 0 FN12 100 DL-SWL JO52hp 6259 47 2010-01-19 05:58 WE2XGR/6 0.511501 -5 0 FN12 100 OR7T JO20ix 5977 51 2010-01-19 05:54 WE2XGR/6 0.511501 -10 0 FN12 100 G0KTN IO81ti 5506 52 2010-01-19 03:46 WE2XGR/2 0.511550 -10 0 FN31is 50 M0LMH IO93gx 5282 49 2010-01-19 03:36 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -11 0 FN31is 50 M0BMU IO91vr 5437 52 2010-01-19 03:46 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -11 0 FN31is 50 G0KTN IO81ti 5308 53 2010-01-19 03:18 WE2XGR/2 0.511550 -12 0 FN31is 50 DL-SWL JO52hp 6085 48 2010-01-19 03:58 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -15 0 FN31is 50 OR7T JO20ix 5786 51 2010-01-19 03:06 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -14 0 FN42ch 200 M0LMH IO93gx 5149 50 2010-01-19 02:56 WE2XGR/3 0.511452 -17 0 FN42ch 200 G0KTN IO81ti 5173 54 2010-01-19 01:58 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -19 0 FN42ch 200 DL-SWL JO52hp 5953 48 2010-01-19 05:28 WE2XGR/3 0.511452 -21 0 FN42ch 200 OR7T JO20ix 5652 52 2010-01-19 03:50 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -22 0 FN42ch 200 M0BMU IO91vr 5302 53 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5ef54b48bfa4154; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:40:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EB1F3800012F; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfI2-0008BA-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfI2-0008B1-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTfI0-0004sn-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o09HdjPw007554 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:45 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c3c.6d8700d7 (14501) for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: KKorn42@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1263058782" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b48bfa32742 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1263058782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, Lee, 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. Or are we lured into a dead end ..... 73 de Klaus dj6lb -------------------------------1263058782 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri!<= /DIV>
 
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
 
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
 -------------------------------1263058782-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.146]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI042-eac34b4ba81e21d; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:37:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A8E8638000162; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSry-0006OR-Ps for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSry-0006OI-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUSrw-0001cG-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEACE3S0tOlGFV/2dsb2JhbACNSAbJOIQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,258,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="275506712" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.97.85]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 22:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: <00b001ca930e$776b0cd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924b4ba81b55d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay=20 Now QRT impossibe to hear ur signal through the BEACON SSB transmissio= n. The station is sea path across the North sea from me and S9 plus. 73 es gn de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here= BEACON mode g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start tod= ay) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qu= ality. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - eith= er post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the detail= s of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so= I missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with ra= ther good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current settin= g, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XS= H/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough fo= r a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mod= e. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X= , KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5= , EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jay
Now QRT impossibe to hear ur signal= through the=20 BEACON SSB transmission. The station is sea path across the North sea= from me=20 and S9 plus.
73 es gn de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 10:11=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re:= 500kHz last=20 night

Now started to TX - ur freq is swam= ped by SM6BHZ=20 on SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 50= 0kHz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you abou= t 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if /= when I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite sta= rting about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur= QRG. I=20 hear u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.<= /FONT>
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010=20 11:30 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR sig= nal last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first=20 time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band'= causes=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR=20 signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for= your cw signal=20 on any night - either post your operation here or e mail direc= t. Curious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you= already=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS = =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010=20 4:28 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz= last=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering duri= ng the night=20 of 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find= out if,=20 using my current setting, it would be possible to work USA= with normal=20 CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and = ;thats to=20 my knowledge just enough for a  CW QSO using= good ears=20 and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports receive= d from the=20 following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH= - /17,=20 /37, /10.
&nb= sp;
Best DX:= 2010-01-11,=20 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&= nbsp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  =
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a0a4b55b1cc32d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:21:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b55b1cc32d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:21:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXDzx-0001KT-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXDzx-0001KC-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXDzv-0005aD-Ac for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so6908195pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eHy6bH8KpoGYEaOJR0xaf1CFDGyWhUFzrK9wS4yz220=; b=wdIJkMrAW5CL8RZhHzZBQnRsQCmzQMv0zEoxz4XgcQTwoGlIpfQTCWwA03/1t31s8P cKMP++Rzdkupub/43kOgHWKayJEoY4ou0R1mrB9nPvroP/jI/JaXr+dcGg3+s7mZhcCW bId+qIdjIB++fatj1XLbzKz2V+gssUJVA0toE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WUXJdlE9OjqZO8bJpVayHHvrM2dPlNv+HNWjzlhVSV4sgZse+4EV7umJxtUjjlYU3U OB7h6OTJbeuT9GIOhbfhRLXJkZ29zYlkUWebuDI9XA4b9UFKQF56v5one/vE51WZ/Qxd 7ErUABYSYt3vxf2/CaS07673yJoivmZAJU7nQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.139.19 with SMTP id m19mr5127289wad.101.1263907186053; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture! WD2XGJ was running low power (200W transmitter) the past two nights. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/19 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 19-01.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-5eee4b50ea912e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:22:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 54AAA3800010B; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuXg-0000I1-KW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuXg-0000Hs-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:20 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuXd-0003ta-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:19 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222112.URDY27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:12 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuXX-00009H-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:12 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: , Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <037f01ca9631$09b39b50$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWL9jl8JdOXSovQO2aJOHD6iKR4QAARUzA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=7oV-ytx5GNCregNDgSUA:9 a=w3IapnosMjHRBTuWDE8A:7 a=3uJgoswC7I05Fn2UdC4SRHt3Mj8A:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=YogkW4dB2ML9q1kn8pkA:9 a=JLNfP9KFk1Nr_zg0F3wA:7 a=TqqlY7TPu5kzDNcmpKS8tTokQYIA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b50ea8e3fa5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos =20 I am getting G3XBM but we are only abt 50km apart=20 With best regards Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 15 January 2010 22:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test =20 Hello Victor, LF! I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? Lubos, OK2BVG _____ =20 From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Thanks for the report lubos, =20 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. =20 =20 _____ =20 Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Lubos<= /o:p>

 

I am getting= G3XBM but we are only abt 50km apart=  

With best regards

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowb= urn G7NKS

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 15 January 2010= 22:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: WS= PR_test

 

Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.

2150 -21 -0.5   0.503965  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154   8  1.5   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37=
2200 -23  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG

From= : victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test

Thanks for the report lubos,

 

Victor<= /o:p>

-----O= orspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]Namens Lubos= OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15= januari 2010 22:37
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_tes= t

Hell= o LF!

2114 -13  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

 

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si= ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?

------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-a8514b64175f156; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6D5E38000088; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbBRq-0002Ji-UD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbBRq-0002JZ-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbBRp-0000EQ-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from COL122-W37 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:24:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:24:58 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 11:24:58.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB10DAA0:01CAA19E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_" Subject: LF: WSPR_PA0A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b64175d0c6d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Albert, LF! Yes, I saw your 4 transmissions well. It is interesting, isn=B4t it! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: westberg@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_JN88KS Hello Lubos, =20 You are receiving my signals even during daylight=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions) =20 73, Albert PA0A=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:33=20 AM Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS =20 Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 =20 Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technolog= i=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s =FA=E8innou antispamovou= ochranou https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Albert, LF!
Yes, I saw your 4 transmissions well. It is interesti= ng, isn=B4t it!

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



From: westberg@xs4all.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_= JN88KS

Hello Lubos,
 
You are receiving my signals even during dayligh= t=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions)
 
73, Albert PA0A 
----- Original= Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Sat= urday, January 30, 2010 10:33=20 AM
Subject:= LF: WSPR_JN88KS

Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequen= cy=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously.
GL!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technolog= i=ED Microsoft = Zaregistrovat

Hotmail:= D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s =FA=E8innou antispamovou ochrano= u Zaregistrovat =3D --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b60b0351af; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:29:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2B8ED380001B4; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFR9-0005SQ-Ou for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFR9-0005SG-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFR6-0006v7-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jan 2010 21:28:17 -0000 Received: from p5DD358AD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.88.173] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 22:28:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CdMMyRIlCXE4wAUDtNb29Bm/Bm1YSg1dj8vgLA6 lvWV8VD+DoIRkk Message-ID: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:27:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48999999999999999,0.47999999999999998 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0381_01CA9F9F.FAF18870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b60b0324bd9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01CA9F9F.FAF18870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list mem= bers. I have made the same observations. Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz results in an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've found ou= t that the *real* SNR is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signal wh= ich was just below the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW eit= her. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in= a 1.46Hz noise bandwidth -=20 which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its= most likely based on the=20 fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise= which upsets the frequency=20 bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police, is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contr= ibute to dissolving the=20 nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also= get a significant increase=20 in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR nee= ded to get a positive=20 decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] namens Andy=20 Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is= it a just a case of being=20 in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37= 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb=20 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20= 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb=20 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37= 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb=20 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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This phenomen,or rather bug,has been= reported here=20 by several list members.
I have made the same observations.
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to= something=20 below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of up= to around=20 15dB!
I've done some tests with a friend 20= km away on 10m=20 and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other wor= ds an extreme=20 weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW co= udn't be=20 decoded with 20Hz BW either.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ <= /DIV>
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From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 9:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Rep= orts

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results= in a=20 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and rep= orts=20 upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.&n= bsp; =20 Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted= by pulsed=20 non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process,= and=20 upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <<= A href=3D"mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be">Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
Andy,<= /FONT>
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5= kHz (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR= values=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
V= erzonden: woensdag=20 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR=20 Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 


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login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2010 15:17:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: NOYg0QEVM1k.73hwa0vB0kS2wJBgJSLfKy9PTIM4UlGLV6iGkhFeMqiNn9MbraE8O828yqn3BBP44RnaSFz_CjlePHe4ucEOWeI6Kox0z2otxdPXLUY7OU8iDS11JJMts.PJfDbOlYSrewTcn8.psd16qKSSrBywSNz.Vr4of8vAMb8IRRUC_Hw0rQ1Im3OMVvKBXrvJeGcjLiQF8crcDjmKJXmmy6tsvdeHuaut_1LgTQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:17:45 -0000 Message-ID: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqRPuUuwAe9cHvJS3aFtMA2iW0Jig== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b489e870659 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b491789219; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:55:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61815380000B0; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTl8d-0000rj-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTl8c-0000ra-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTl8Z-0001hl-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13232693bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:54:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fRmkBjq5va4S1igT1zJdifATVeGWppXsqEfIrKdiq6c=; b=kzUla6Gwm5A4i9ZN6o31HPk49F/XBboDcpdNTC8SjB3jxppoQDc5lHMdk9glziTXkD CbRYD/a3dthY0wVyG5dQRuqoasA8i5SN0hPeVHnwEJw/T6HsCULqzgEYziCyIcXHRs/X Q4aSsecBbAqSQu1pPBEiB4ehksNOjJbdeRqdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YJgLwNvzH65lky7z0e83LuqVi7M7N+wrLxUa6EhV3WLPVs2+nb8j2KDsHzSXp6zUFX Uj6VTqZBhOmPmAwjpYlLtQm1KKvq3kRjWTnqrVOspD7qpQ5w/KvbaY51lpgH+zAZefLR 60uoq5Dr/o3/gKz0qDQvWrZli5wH7OIU5MUEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.82 with SMTP id r18mr971515bkw.180.1263081264589; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:54:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b4917883e7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especia= lly for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good= ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR= band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
Roger G3XBM

h= ttp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-86a24b410a0128d; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:20:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E315D38000572; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXqE-0005yZ-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXqE-0005yQ-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRXqB-0002Js-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.22] (helo=[10.218.42.13]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRXq4-000OrW-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:18:17 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:17:56 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <923288995.20100103211756@dx.ru> To: James Moritz In-Reply-To: <58D88D03341D4CE59776EE2DE82A268C@JimPC> References: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <606162377.20100103193322@dx.ru> <58D88D03341D4CE59776EE2DE82A268C@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QSO with RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b4109e53180 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim and LF! M0BMU wrote 03.01.2010, 23:46 MSK(GMT+3h): JM> Sorry about the 1/2 QSO on 136k - my TX power supply has a short circu= it, so JM> I am QRT until I can repair it :-( You are currently "O" copy here in JM> QRSS10 sri ur signal was "O" in s3 mode of Argo under first tx, but "M" till "T" under last maybe next time I belive propagation is not so good - very unstable 73! Ed RU6LA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-a8d54b43cc8447; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:34:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 600933800004D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIu2-0005jN-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIu2-0005jE-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSIu0-0000co-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFADdbQ0tZ8xTj/2dsb2JhbACCFtFqhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,225,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="268423644" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([89.243.20.227]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 23:33:21 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000701ca8e5f$78590e20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4b43cc827667 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy G4JNT wrote:- >Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side Aren't signals actually up? Similar to last time we had universal white stuff Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andy G4JNT wrot= e:-

>Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP= side

 

Aren’t si= gnals actually up?

 

Similar to last= time we had universal white stuff

 

Eddie

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b50e0aa1b1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:39:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 99A103800009C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtsp-0007XH-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtsp-0007X7-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtsl-0006qC-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so569428pwj.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:38:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wCYMf0V2oiHBpJsoDq2eZssKOG3sKTH7WmB/4WPzGQY=; b=FH4tub+B3qae9AkmW5fymruyE2NwScirrXhhVn0i0z330P4egGBRdPbA4S9iDFQ0D4 7rA8c/AjweND25KHDpZbHkQLjiuwTUKWBmtvTXVd91R+picTJWZ5geDURKDr2RY6BNaE s4Ap74HgRc1CRQqvdgbocZOfqDSWI54t+05cM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=p5hXU/5B7Ec5lzFZeGYzFVnvjpbK4SW46+XTIvt67WO1kxB0Q9/p4F5k170b/oRaVL 0iQFZDt8ZelE5gHdvVgAiNrofrTzYXKqREhHIQjeDj4snwwEF0eBGr4NIaiXountiGUl 94Ke8uUkIS9r3Saem44vA60kQdbhcQw4/WSI0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.16 with SMTP id b16mr2096991rvn.96.1263591535546; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:38:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:38:55 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 92f4aa0ea35be4f8 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001151338v6c39aefj3aa13a82894389a3@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0003255614629e13bb047d3ad462 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b50e0a82266 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --0003255614629e13bb047d3ad462 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 --0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, I regularly get that type of visual image on my captures along the line of the harmonic on 504 kHz, example is attached which occurred on the 12th of this month. I have seen the effect again today fro 1008 to 1140 utc but not as strong. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/15 M0FMT > Too glib > > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not the > mirror image how does that work. Please explain? > How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start event > before its happened it doesn't compute! > > 73 es GL petefmt > > --- On *Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com * wrote: > > > From: riese-k3djc@juno.com > Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55 > > > I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go > the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrier > happens first > the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind of > switcher > at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital > > be interested to find out what it is > > Bob K3DJC > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" < > hudsonville@btinternet.com> > writes: > > Hi All, > > Anyone come across these? > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > > I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > > > --0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

I regularly get that type of visual image on my= captures along the line of the harmonic on 504 kHz, example is attached= which occurred on the 12th of this month.

I have= seen the effect again today fro 1008 to 1140 utc but not as strong.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/15 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Too glib
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I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not= the mirror image how does that work. Please explain?
How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start=A0e= vent before its happened it doesn't compute!=A0

73 es GL petefm= t

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@juno.com> wr= ote:

From: riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55


I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
=A0
be interested to find out what it is
=A0
Bob K3DJC
=A0
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>= writes:
Hi All,
=A0
Anyone come across these?
=A0
=A0
I have seen them on 80m too in= the past.
=A0
73,
Lee M0LMH.
=A0
=A0

<= br>____________________________________________________________
Nutrition
Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!


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smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbAja-0008Iv-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:39:25 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0UAdGZU030001 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "Albert" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b640cbc339b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, You are receiving my signals even during daylight conditions. (around= 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions) 73, Albert PA0A=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It will= be on to Monday=B4s morning continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou techn= ologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Lubos,
 
You are receiving my signals even during dayli= ght=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions)
 
73, Albert PA0A 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 30,= 2010 10:33=20 AM
Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS

Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on fre= quency=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously.
GL!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou techn= ologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat
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boundary=000e0cd17e7c4d87b6047c2001a8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b3e57c6603b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd17e7c4d87b6047c2001a8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 --000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you. 73 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe > I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the= two of you.

73

Gary -= G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very= good signals.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174b48ec0430d6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Cor, The issue is not one of RTFM. It's that the "Hotel Alpha Sierra Hotel" algorithm has failed, caused maybe by unusual user input. Lee From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG032-6044b4c6b67312; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:30:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b4c6b67312; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:30:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfsL-0000fe-Cg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfsL-0000fV-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfsK-0000BD-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Uayn1d0041ap0As5EcVRf1; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:25 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UcVa1d00D2DDHkk3icVaWy; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000801ca9382$dfddd850$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <1263293177.2379.6.camel@Slave23> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Brian Long time...glad to see you're still here. What are you up to on LF / MF? Good point. Even a dead carrier conveys information...just not from the transmitting end. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:46 AM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > John, LF > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:16 +0000, John P-G wrote: > > >> Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond >> its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, >> CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information >> transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of >> "self-training in radio communication". > > > A minor point but a 24 hours continuous transmission of unmodulated, gps > disciplined carrier on 137 KHz over 1000Km path (approx) apparently > reveals quite interesting data on propagation dependent phase change if > received appropriately. > > >> Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... > > > Brian CT1DRP > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-86624b3e476ce6; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8070538000103; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmn8-0001S9-7p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmn7-0001Rz-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQmn6-0005YL-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:05 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9598F51C003 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7189531E702 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8912F18056; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from 195.150-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (195.150-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.150.195]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.150.195 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b3e476a4d5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, indeed the process should be automated. But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the =20 jpeg screen captures. The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the =20 "recent part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web =20 site from a number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint =20 > & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each =20 > upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the =20 > JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on =20 > SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png =20 > & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.bmp =20 > & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, > > maybe more compression in the jpeg. > Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with =20 > little visual impact. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > Hi All, > > Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. > > It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =20 > ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =20 > "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 =20 > uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for =20 > my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads =20 > again. > > Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =20 > regular so as to keep within this upload limit. > > I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. > > 73 es HNY > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b5cb17b264; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:45:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C177B380001AC; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9KM-0001Nz-Nn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9KM-0001No-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9KL-0002VK-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C8D51C001 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EF2F3862 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2667818056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124214445.ajj23cvao04k80s0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:45 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5cb1796037 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Eddie, the signal is up and down in the QSB, but I had several complete =20 copies of your call is FSK. With some patience a QSO would be possible. Just let men know when you want to try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening)= ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > >> Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your >> grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the >> period of the screenshot. >> >> I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen >> it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK >> Grabbers. >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT >> Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi Eddie, >> >> I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what >> appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc >> IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at >> 1245utc. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/24 g3zjo > >> Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the >> MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. >> >> Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I >> will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. >> >> 73 >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave >> G3WCB >> Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi, Eddie. >> >> Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is >> about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a >> Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth >> >> By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which >> contains elements of both modes! >> >> (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and >> drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. >> With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on >> mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of >> g3zjo >> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 >> To: >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; >> GQRP@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin >> Hi All >> >> I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. >> Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- >> >> Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the >> standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my >> signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. >> Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR >> signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the >> same time. >> >> Frequency 503.22KHz >> >> Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse >> >> Power 500mW at 50 Ohms >> >> Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts >> >> Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical >> >> ERP >1mWatt >> >> >> >> Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/24/10 07:33:00 >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-a2144b543b5e252; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:43:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B5FC3800007D; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWp45-0000Ow-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWp45-0000On-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWp42-00069Q-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so8911bwz.29 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:42:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8ARi+Yn7/yOPNlkpqftAGVjip+CDicNUVlRdJbnj3JE=; b=sKdSyBZF92ZyqL0MbaMRTetVoZ4XejFVJOe5wcoB20xi7DOZs9MJVy06YMjx42IOqu aX0W+4co5DsmDnyfcqp/G6lYUmB8f7SeCTbBvnX577Q6lSYEJbeSFRh9UBMOYLAnqNbS qjpCgTvL5ahRXRpN4b+r+lultQT+p7rGroJis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I6h1jQckZLdLON+MHbE+MSFQPGQHEu10DOuNFyfmNV7WA7RGvCRkJRbk4MsLJsTjwt fFkPEb2OythSbbG1bYNpW4hvSOfA7p1DUQVeWJNU4/RkfUgiDuZeje9Z6DwJGQBuqZkC gU3Gf4Tn8xgaA6OBpARV7uYCQV9WU+ct+EiYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.35.4 with SMTP id n4mr2731789bkd.32.1263811341968; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:42:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001180242v47ec687duf9fe3403ea251b13@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b543b5c7a35 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Checking the database, shows I also logged* WE2XGR/2* several times overnight: 2010-01-18 06:38 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 05:44 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 05:30 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:54 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:50 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:46 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -29 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:42 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:22 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:54 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:46 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:36 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -26 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:14 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -26 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:08 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:06 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 02:36 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 01:32 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Checking the database, shows I also logged WE2XGR/2 several times= overnight:

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Roger G3XBM

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--00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-a1904b56d72f1d5; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:13:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3EFC1380000AA; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXXXR-0005t0-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXXXR-0005sr-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXXXN-0004N1-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoMAP1lVktOkZ3H/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAc5hhDYE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,309,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299729197" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.157.199]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 10:11:36 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000401ca99b8$f33eece0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FW: [GQRP] FYI: WebSDR upgraded; now with more bands (incl. 500kHz). Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b56d72d5ba8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Niels - And very impressive it is. Could you give us some idea of the >> antenna(s) in use? Are there individual antennas for each band, or is it >> some form of wide band receiving antenna? >We have a single antenna for all the bands, a 80m longwire, mainly >because the WebSDR hardware has only one input for its entire 0..30MHz >range. Very impressive Niels, my 200uW ERP signal was Spotted 3 times last night. 2010-01-20 04:30 G3ZJO 0.503841 -25 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 2010-01-20 02:40 G3ZJO 0.503838 -23 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 2010-01-20 00:30 G3ZJO 0.503833 -29 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 Not my best DX on the band but that is 2,635000 Km, 1,635000 Miles per Watt of ERP to your 80m Longwire and SDR. Unfortunately my indicated power level +17dBm 50mW is merely an arbitrary figure, hard coded as WSPR does not cope with the actual power. 73 Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>>Niels -= And very impressive it is. Could you give us some idea of the
>> antenna(s) in use? Are there individual antennas for each ban= d, or is it
>> some form of wide band receiving antenna?

 

>We have a= single antenna for all the bands, a 80m longwire, mainly
>because the WebSDR hardware has only one input for its entire 0..3= 0MHz
>range.

Very impressive= Niels, my 200uW ERP signal was Spotted 3 times last night.

 

2010-01-20 04:30  G3Z= JO  0.503841  -25  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327

2010-01-20 02:40  G3Z= JO  0.503838  -23  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327

2010-01-20 00:30  G3Z= JO  0.503833  -29  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327 

 

Not my best DX= on the band but that is 2,635000 Km, 1,635000 Miles per Watt of ERP to your 80m Longwire and= SDR.

Unfortunately= my indicated power level +17dBm 50mW is merely an arbitrary figure, hard coded as WSPR does not= cope with the actual power.

 

73

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-863b4b4213db22e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:14:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBD8A38027D1D; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpWy-0008Uf-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpWy-0008UW-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpWv-0007Rh-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACEB7B8057 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:11:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96D831E702 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:11:31 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:11:36 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100104161131.D96D831E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30273507==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b4213700659 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_30273507==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ZWF At 16:56 4/01/2010, you wrote: >ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Roger Lapthorn >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM >Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >Mal - GROW UP. > >2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> >This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic >set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them >growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check >data base once a year for possible hits. >I am surprised it is not more popular. >Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW >and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. >de G3KEV > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Roger Lapthorn >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >Mal, > >Some suggestions: >More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a >time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just >a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation >and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave >plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband >conversational modes. >Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), >is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good >idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance >DX if interference to weak signals is likely. >You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and >moan less". >73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > >Roger G3XBM > > > > >2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> >I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs >wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of >us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot >understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow >band allocation. >The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >Does anyone else have an opinion? >G3KEV > > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_30273507==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ZWF

At 16:56 4/01/2010, you wrote:
ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net >
This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW.
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net >
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 




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It is not= dissimilar to the techniques used in the ITU Recomendations. Bear in mind= that was done for 136 and 500 maybe/is different!! I cant find the paper at the moment but I have a very interesting paper fr= om Jack Belrose VE2CV a long time professional LF expert in this area and= the methods employed are somewhat similar but the calculations are somewh= at more sophisticated and include for instance, an ionospheric "focussing= effect". Basically calculate the free-space strength and then apply extra= attenuation for the ionospheric effects. These vary with time-of-day, sea= son and state of the Solar Cycle. Conditions are very good at the moment. But also use Reg Edwards ground-wave calculator to check that the strength= of the ground wave is insignificant. All the best calculations that the ITU spends a fortune collecting can onl= y estimate the level of QRM a transmitter is likely to give, for a certain= percentage of the year, to co-frequency stations which are out of its nor= mal coverage area. They are not intended to give an accurate measure of re= ceived signal strength. The best you can do is to estimate the peak levels= , but these may be up to 6dB enhanced by constructive interference between= two different paths (say 1 hop plus 2 hop) There should be no difference in the one hop signal depending on the groun= d parameters at mid range. There could be quite big differences due to gro= und parameters at bothe the transmit and receive sites. There can be a "fo= cussing" effect at receive stations which are on or very close to the coas= t. Then again is the ground is poor by the transmitter the low angle signa= l will be attenuated so you will be dependent on high angle radiation whic= h is more heavily absorbed that grazing/tangential signals (which give the= longest hops) In conclusion there is not an equation you can pump numbers into that will= give a realistic picture of the potential strength of the received signal= an any given distance. I remember being told that trans-Atlantic transmis= sion was not possible with only one watt ERP, when I started discussing it= with the "two Dave's" and Peter. The feeling it was possible was arrived= at by monitoring CFH in Halifax Nova Scotia every night for several month= s and estimating what 1W ERP would do compared with 15 to 20kW ERP on the= Canadian station. It did need the "gain" of QRSS3 and a following wind...= ...but it worked! That was before I understood the effect of geomagnetic= events properly. =20 So keep plugging, the collection of reliable data is what Experimental Lic= ences are for !! remember this is NOT an amateur band and some seem to thi= nk! Best wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given= power on WSPR > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "Roge= r Lapthorn" > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 21:54 > Roger, Jim, >=20 > On Alan's (G3NYK) website (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple= .htm) I > found: >=20 > Allow for an extra "hop loss" of 12dB for every ionospheric > "reflection" and 6dB for a land "bounce", say about 1dB for > a sea "bounce". >=20 > Thus an extra hop would "cost" 13 to 18dB (+ free space > loss ?) >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : >=20 > > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) > for a single hop Rik? > >=20 > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.32]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b4ad84ba1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:50:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCBEF3800008C; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUF1Y-0008Pq-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUF1X-0008Ph-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:15 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUF1V-0007by-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:15 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111074907.BELM17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:07 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUF1P-0001Zp-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:07 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <009901ca9292$8af59030$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSQEXLqiwFjgurTG+b8vaV/qFWsQAUfU/Q X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=4l1WGFfXCcEA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=QHmaMqTK01RwgcQgm2kA:9 a=mpr5X5t6H6isbUhHlKAA:7 a=nKFS9-LMFsN0FTqmjXt92G9DWQwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=dzLfvetyajkGp6hO:21 a=T4ciHTu6PHiYiQQS:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41204b4ad8493a8e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF, Thanks to all for the informative answers. It's a bit like working with Pharmaceutical Regulators whose stock answer is "it depends"!! Seriously thanks loads With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 10 January 2010 21:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Dear Jim, LF Group, The main variables involved are: TX ERP TX directional pattern (probably only if a TX loop is used) Distance - leading to "geometric" propagation losses Other propagation losses - for DX signals, basically due to ionospheric effects Band noise level at the receiver Directional patttern of RX antenna Received SNR required for mode in use It is difficult to make a direct calculation because some of these are not known to any great level of confidence - in particular, the "other" ionospheric propagation losses, and the band noise level at a particular receiver. Noise levels can be determined by field strength measurements, although few people have done this - my best estimate at M0BMU is about 3uV/m in 2.5kHz bandwidth under quiet conditions, although obviously varying with time of day, band conditions, direction etc. There does not seem to be much info available for ionospheric losses at LF/MF - this is of course part of the motivation for using modes such as WSPR to probe propagation. But you can be sure that simply extrapolating results with closer stations to long distances won't give a reliable answer - there is no simple relation between loss and distance. But on a practical level, you can use the WSPR database to get a fairly good idea of how much TX ERP you need to be received by particular stations, e.g. WD2XSH/17 has spotted M0BMU 40 times during the past week, with SNR between -31dB and -16dB, but quite frequently around -25dB . G7NKS is a similar distance and path, so the same ERP (estimated at 2W for M0BMU) should give similar results. If you would be content with rather fewer spots at around -30dB, close to the minimum for WSPR, you could reduce the ERP by about 5dB, or perhaps even 10dB reduction (200mW) if you would be happy with just the odd 1 or 2 spots at peaks in the propagation - this is the kind of level G4JNT is running, and has indeed been spotted a couple of times at WD2XSH/17. You could do a similar kind of estimate with other stations, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cowburn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b4a4d4c268; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:57:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BDCA380000BE; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5mA-0005uO-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5m9-0005uF-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:45 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5m8-0001I0-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:45 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277587B804B for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48C31E702 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8006C18056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110225629.03sdjquj4844ckgw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4a4d4b5f7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, if you take the real path the radiowaves have travelled (up en down =20 the ionosphere) you might have exceeded 1000km ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some =20 > friends10-20kms further away to listen? :-)) > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Clemens Paul > >> Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, > > I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km.= -:) > Anyway, new distance record for you! > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:00 G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:32 G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 02:40 G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM > Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight > > My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking =20 > especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome =20 > "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the =20 > WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ________________________________ > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: =20 > 01/09/10 08:35:00 > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b62314cd4; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:52:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F115F380001AB; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf5C-0004qz-L1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf5C-0004qq-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naf5A-0003lB-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 32927 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264726286; bh=YC0CqQ+SrmMR7rOWG8lU0oFvv8RBmnNOfROya4qVZn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3QFJ7lSI5ZriJ63V1TnU9SxCpff91mftOvuFqFpcC1pgqbDiJ4oEx484nLRcLVEC3HTqWuKMZ5b37DdU6OwKf8TPAsrAAXtq0bSVzDHYKcAW82V0MhUJxqbXKEOkxYdKHeGeK7JmalRUdHblyb77/ak9e7TaJ5RR3jDkesXLHJk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QLyPXLEkv2NY32ghmEr4HVFaqAoh6202om3BLZRIHjEdVHEDJCujymWcpboUjxQmWb/umiJ+qK5CkcmzlzeVLVllExFVVO1DH14C6jerHu6wNuepHJebrMDcFdKy1KNNvd0px3KH6nNwsSsO6d42yzdKGCljDZL9u/c3ADeFpxM=; Message-ID: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yC4CaTgVM1l2vOKwFe0oJ17w.q6vkmN3bYBEqcmnfO6i1vpSdafWGh7l4ZdwE4y1I3q6IeTYxT8e3oa.titSqc85UyDPx1o5yFFjAI_9LG.icwxz2yQmfVYyUKFSe9JuYgtWXXenB9jTuBZC0QXyoDfyghoEuwZDMG6TzQuoUiaxDZkV0GgxPRjA1nWCkQFvFpe3Kj94pdQmT7eI9CE8gNj7Set.a8issIzbbtPu_8xAn1BecwYSMGZbpQlwA8YD6Fx2SqZGIE1bEsAtkLwTTpW9zkhGaNyN Received: from [81.131.35.157] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b62314a5164 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a254b539c20a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:24:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254b539c20a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWeSc-0002uX-7l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWeSb-0002uO-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeSa-0001Jg-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4270134147 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID932oaqXw85638X02; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:59 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID932oaqXw85638X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.213.62] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 415oaqXw77872M39; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.213.62 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B539BCF.2020303@usa.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:22:55 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID415oaqXw77872X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: G4JNT WSPR + QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Checked for a couple of hours on dial 510 kHz, but no decodes... Then switched to a visual examination of the band segment, and saw Andy's WSPR signal (which did decode) and the two QRSS signals of DI2AM and OK0EMW. The band looked remarkably clean this evening, no QRM nor QRN. Screen capture here http://www.sdradio.eu/images/500kHz.jpg as it was too big for the size limits of this list. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b50e4481c1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C78043800081C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu7l-000847-2A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu7k-00083n-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:32 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl ([194.134.42.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVu7i-0003cV-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:32 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823A466297 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4B50E1D9.2050905@toya.net.pl> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,LINES_OF_YELLING, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24b50e44641a2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks piotr, nice to see my small antenna does something, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Piotr M=B3ynarski Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:45 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test victor13@online.nl wrote: Hello Lubos, later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive decodes, 73 Victor PA3FNY Dear Victor, LF Group despite consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with my= first successful decode of ur wspr signal : 2020 -17 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2032 -13 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2042 -11 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2050 -12 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2056 -28 -0.6 0.503970 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2058 -17 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2108 -13 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2116 -13 1.3 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2124 -14 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2134 -13 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 73, Piotr= , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks piotr,
 
nice=20 to see my small antenna does something,
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Piotr=20 M=B3ynarski
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:45
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE:=20 WSPR_test

victor13@online.nl wrote:= =20
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later=20 this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positiv= e=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
Dear=20 Victor, LF Group

despite  consistent decodes of a PA0A= signal i am=20 very glad with  my first successful decode
of ur wspr signa= l=20 :

2020 -17  1.1   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33= 37
2032=20 -13  0.9   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2042 -11&= nbsp;=20 0.9   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2050 -12 =20 1.1   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2056 -28 -0.6 =  =20 0.503970  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2058 -17  1.0  =20 0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2108 -13  1.0   0.50= 3903 =20 0 PA0A JO33 37
2116 -13  1.3   0.503903  0 PA= 0A JO33=20 37
2124 -14  1.2   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 372134=20 -13  1.2   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33=20 37

         &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;=20 73, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz=20 /jo91rs/

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a1e4b5780123dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4b5780123dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXin7-0000ns-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXin7-0000ni-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXin5-0008Um-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC1D20000064 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6916120000063 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B577FD9.9010108@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:41 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060108090108080401060407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=CONGRATULATIONS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060108090108080401060407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Dear Lubos, Roger, Congratulations! for both of you! You both deserve a big ,big glass of beer. But... in my previous mail to Roger issued 2 hours ago i have predicted that this 1000 km barrier breaking might happen this night so i do believe that you two, Gentlemen allow me to join you with a very very small glass... :) again, CONGRATULATIONS! yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------060108090108080401060407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910= =A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Dear Lubos, Roger,
Congratulations!=A0 for both of you!
You both deserve a big ,big glass of beer. But...
in my previous mail to Roger=A0 issued 2 hours ago i have predicted=A0 tha= t this 1000 km barrier=A0 breaking=A0 might happen this night
so i do believe that you two, Gentlemen=A0 allow me to join you with a very very small glass... :)
again, CONGRATULATIONS!
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------060108090108080401060407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-86534b3e5cb79e; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:36:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1611E380094EF; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQo39-000261-Uk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQo39-00025s-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQo37-0005tm-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so30414945pxi.30 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:24:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lkSYE6HnGHR0x90vOe0JJeYDQxUpQlLvi9QwBN0jMXY=; b=Mw9i9lfGThTitDugmHSqxmHAdIv5GYdoqyhgX3nsCxssUq6SOGhqQlUiXQX/niBo9h qHAm9DYc7to/puW2Z52D1g/3TX5uKa2NEW8VZPbO2Udgt3vaDhNEeGbFERMu+/CyuPPn APuDkIibo6qBIOOXomY3HmRljvXMKIgUPcZRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lKh7MkxtnygG8wLonTFBNdMaolnpiSSqqEo8ajiKqQ7VnL3nj0B7kHmbGSg4b6FbnE JL1xyC+xdlE9c8XRWYLUtULfcCt2Pfvh5OLgY3kyCpXuVNck6/s5q1u9VvVTCsa1W6dV ERWKuoRLjyjvbuqUHLHJnrTbTHRSv6HMSsEoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.91.9 with SMTP id t9mr10332041rvl.127.1262377472061; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:24:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:24:31 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67761ef87c3f909c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001011224k58a59c86hb7b97e7405b5000e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b3e5a57795c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Reduced the SpecLab capture to 40% quality but they still look quite good. In fact the clip I sent via your last mail re: your QSO was cut from one of those captures. The general size range is from 100 to 125kb which is about half the previous capture size so could be OK at that. I have also found that using the multi-colour palettes (I was using Sunrise) increases the file size. I am now using my own palette edit again (black to yellow), it seems to give a good contrast. BTW, not familiar with JavaScript either :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > indeed the process should be automated. > But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the jpeg > screen captures. > The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the "recent > part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web site from a > number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Rik, >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint & it >> does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each upload ie. two >> at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the JPG at capture time by >> lowering the JPEG quality percentage on SpecLab. I have taken care of the >> G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png & the file is only a few kb's rather >> than 10's of kb's using *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 >> minutes. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> Gary, >> >> maybe more compression in the jpeg. >> Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little >> visual impact. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. >> >> It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the >> ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted >> service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I >> expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient >> to allow my regular uploads again. >> >> Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so >> as to keep within this upload limit. >> >> I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. >> >> 73 es HNY >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Reduced the SpecLab capture to 40% quality but the= y still look quite good. In fact the clip I sent via your last mail re: yo= ur QSO was cut from one of those captures.

The ge= neral size range is from 100 to 125kb which is about half the previous cap= ture size so could be OK at that. I have also found that using the multi-c= olour palettes (I was using Sunrise) increases the file size. I am now usi= ng my own palette edit again (black to yellow), it seems to give a good co= ntrast.

BTW, not familiar with JavaScript either :-((

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
Gary,

indeed the process should be automated.
But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the jpeg= screen captures.
The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the "rece= nt part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web site= from a number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript.


73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint =A0&a= mp; it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each = =A0upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the= =A0JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on =A0Spec= Lab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png =A0&= the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.= bmp & =A0uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>>

Gary,

maybe more compression in the jpeg.
Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with =A0little= visual impact.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment.
It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =A0 ISP= /web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =A0 "restrict= ed service" which is only allowing about 5 =A0 uploads/downloads each= day. I expect that it will take some time for =A0my average to come down= sufficient to allow my regular uploads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =A0 regu= lar so as to keep within this upload limit.

I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.












--000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b4506e41a; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:55:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A149380000E7; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdqA-0000Fh-5F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdq9-0000FX-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdq7-0002Ff-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 181741C00087 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0AF801C00089 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.160]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B1A5A1C00087 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:42 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100106215442727.B1A5A1C00087@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <398568D1C20C4F53AA1C90834EBC1CA8@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:54:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Wide data signal 499 USB ??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b4506e24725 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quite strong data signal on 499 usb .. with deep qsb =20 any one else copy this ? G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Quite strong  data  signal= on 499 usb ..=20 with deep  qsb 
any one else  copy this ?=
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.32]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-5ef94b651004ff; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:07:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5925738000201; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbRzq-00072N-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbRzp-00072E-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:17 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbRzo-0003zq-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:17 +0000 Received: from COL122-W56 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:05:08 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:05:09 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2010 05:05:08.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5CA70B0:01CAA232] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_" Subject: LF: WSPR_XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41204b65100338a2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS last night. My PC decod= ed your signal: 0344 -26 1.3 0.503898 0 G3XBM JO02 0 I hope, I will see your signal in the night again. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu= =BEba https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS las= t night. My PC decoded your signal:

0344 -26  1.3   0.503898  0 G3XBM JO02= 0

I hope,= I will see your signal in the night again.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1= a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba Zaregistrovat =3D --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-90d4b46f1db341; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:50:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD065-90d4b46f1db341; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:50:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAWK-0004BD-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAWK-0004B4-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTAWJ-00031f-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 80523 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2010 08:48:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262940509; bh=wXF1gVu4hgutKXKyRbK1HbEZTwwi6gXbyChQ64rsFWM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CGSAsaRvlbArg74qFORocdTfUfY2hma4qZO9LXtnKrxU2guVS5m8gvV6JcfGqrCWLzgbQkyWVGMp1A7KossmgrvGapwqzpYEdnDkQL6hZbHM1WdLIgFt1Iezm45JNLnUvs9GdkPswQilYbcAORJj6i4FU/6+2enuqpCSogx6knw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m8AK1LMMuSE+EXjbnK8BrJc0knmfWOuY8/M9oNWTi4/ZqnvjEA4z5kWhmuDLPAJHaU07ARKYcS/DQ+p0X82wH2p/BQ6f+h9850NCZNioFGyup1G7NOlDJzU/zsIEBvRZW8g8/n5a4OfSvBb+MHAsanLUmIIPONIw/DvgCIL0FVA=; Message-ID: <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PbT2JCcVM1nhhEAaR49TudU.zds8BLtyxLHPCXaRXTKpvu6D.sp7CoqkmRezSGL1pyzYkyzjqIoMpQsj4rEx7ew3ZTeFO.PdkO4crdcohGaQ70BYqwfH.JGPmYjEgjIxQqraAGUcvyq9k0MaZyglo_abcL59ROJ4_ODtq6QS2sry4GOfOYh2F23wXZvuQTITIM4HEAqpP9htk3RBGMu0X.MNvo3LE_qDTdHjWjqlfYW3fEUQ58y4.MREr21MghUKAjcH.sdCEoRDkkGycHM- Received: from [86.142.154.134] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:48:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d263.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 For those who don't yet know all the WSPR=A0reception reports=A0by suitabl= y equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and= can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual= database way. =A0 URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots 73 es=A0HNY petefmt --- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo wrote: From: g3zjo Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over Europe. Eddie G3ZJO =20 --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports = ;by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost rea= l time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in= the usual database way.
 
URL is ..... http= ://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt
<= BR>--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wr= ote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Su= bject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18

WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01= .2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous repo= rts from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO




=20 --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a334b58c5fb152; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:24:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG095-a334b58c5fb152; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:24:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Uo-0007dv-TZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Uo-0007dm-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4Ul-0000QW-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so279961pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YDlvMN0P5nhkkQeIg/MLT7VYIAwYQatFymNT4y/WsnE=; b=ffLTOdO4YY1nOgPNCktPlcvThVU2MczNcZt4FnyTAKAuN+vFWF2SV8IX+GSu8X7lRA Gz5jzf1it8PVwff8nFRiZempzhrMlXkE2K3HZXQbdqWvldiRHCZ9Ut8+6pl2p9SXvfkx jH3uQC7ArvwF3B0m3amrbVeUEXFyr4gXL2PMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nQQo3wRINWs8ipRymDMJnalh75cLlRYd+Op62OSIm/isayobnaNu49dClMiY5w782J e3v4mXA931nf8vZ3qRfxqse+bocP1jbJUnnklRHQ9M0eXoHPdNHeWG7gx8gBKCwBRNvO RUqMzkup1NOotC/tJAqWXW6KgwlLvHbguudzU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.180.6 with SMTP id c6mr1394393rvf.73.1264108988487; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b42ec7ca9b545f34 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211323p6eaee17btf91cdddf42e58cac@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Whoever is calling me is not decoding, good signal strength, even netted but nil. Going to restart the software & try again. The CW ID is just to fast for me, think it ends with "OU" 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each >> even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >> >> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >> replies. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > --000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Whoever is calling me is not decoding, good signal= strength, even netted but nil.

Going to restart= the software & try again.

The CW ID is just= to fast for me, think it ends with "OU"

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

Station calling ab= out 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

= Gary - G4WGT.



2= 010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.





--000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b6d4b474e901e6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:26:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD037-b6d4b474e901e6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:26:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTGha-0005Bm-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTGha-0005Bd-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTGhY-0005vb-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAKjcRktOldmO/2dsb2JhbACNQgbHB4QvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,242,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="417592669" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.217.142]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:22:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis I wondered why u did not reply. Here several inches of snow on grnd an= d snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affected=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Hi all, I have called CQ several times this past week on 500kHz and may have= got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ but their transmission= s blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby railway overhead line= equipment. Sorry if I missed your calls. Keep warm and 73, Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis
I wondered why u did not reply. Here= several inches=20 of snow on grnd and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affec= ted=20
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 08, 201= 0 12:10=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on= railway=20 overhead lines.

Hi all,
 
I have called CQ several times this= past week on=20 500kHz and may have got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ= but their=20 transmissions blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby rail= way=20 overhead line equipment.    Sorry if I missed your=20 calls.
 
Keep warm and 73, Dennis=20 M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b5cc33f3c5; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:01:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 31ED03800020F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAVV-00027v-L7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAVV-00027m-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAVS-00033j-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2E8E21C00082 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 209D91C00083 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CC7721C00082 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124220024837.CC7721C00082@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b5cc33d4810 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > > Graham, > > I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kH= z. > MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while,= but=20 > only for short time. > I will let the software run for some time and let you know is somet= hing=20 > meaningfull comes out. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >> >> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >> >> G .. >> >> From: Graham >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the = same=20 >> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how sma= ll the=20 >> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acce= pted=20 >> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you=20 >> will get a decode soon ? >> >> tnx G >> >> From: Lubos OK2BVG >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Hello Graham, LF! >> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >> 73! >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG >> >> ________________________________ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >> >> download link :- >> >> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >> >> G .. >> >> From: Lubos OK2BVG >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Hello Graham, LF! >> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> >> ________________________________ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >> >> Set dial 501.500 : USB >> Audio set 1500 Hz >> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >> >> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line= ! >> >> Reports ? >> >> Tnx - Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD?= Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD=20 >> informace. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten pr= av=C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD=20 >> informace. >> >> >> >> > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b58d10bd3; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4761C38000181; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5EP-0008DV-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5EO-0008DM-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:24 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY5EL-0000kl-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:24 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so602639pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YtPWJcoZwzQzB3veh3TIYa02M6QwKtFTWSJoUvpWEm4=; b=beqDbIDmykeeLqTVrkfMMtemBP+IDNaamGkSvHAV13PbQlGEceO3WppB7RBqHlep2F DH+npYL43QhB1toix98iHKQam4fm8AZHKdoQ5Qin3z+7IxfpUaJAHx029RYDJAUBuM5N 8evCkqtbJO8Z76rmsrbyfAH07/AtAylljK7xQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=m49lUqN730587IaYkt8ajSNG7IZGhZS1MVBGtu+QVnPcKyFyQ6kqeHLD4FERNO8kcX /hRvqgsOItX6d3Sgbk5Vi+qBimETo6LG8zGIjfcWFtnveKJncz/5OnEHtB3Uy0Q50mED pHSd2rgAogUXypfnecgDXaeJcSETlZNssAsMM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr1437517rvb.75.1264111814796; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b723f5f1d94c7dff Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b58d1097bca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK Andy, Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say that is OK. I will try again tomorrow. Thanks again. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not > B...G. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> Andy, >> >> You wrote :- >> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >> >> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >> in the manual. >> >> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >> that of any help to me? >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >> >> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>> >>>>> LF, >>>>> >>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>> >>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>>> replies. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Andy,

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it= set for JT4A, I am currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.
<= br>
Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are= both set for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close= to 1.0003. I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Th= anks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you= have got JT4A set haven't you?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.








--000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b45c1781ba; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:11:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A35843800008B; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqFr-0001Sa-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqFq-0001SR-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqFn-0003Sx-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuoEACNPRUtOlAEb/2dsb2JhbACIJskMgiKCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,234,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="411963434" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.1.27]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jan 2010 11:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:10:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b45c176291a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MF grp This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if someone thinks it is NE from EU. There has been some rare DX acty on 500, mostly Beacons around Xmas and N. Year. This band seems to be infested with Beacons and ofcourse get reported via the internet. On other amateur bands they would be ignored. If 500 was QSO mode only perhaps it would discourage this type of activity. 500 seems to be fair game for some as far as UNID beacons are concerned de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th > test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or > other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on 500 > G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-99c4b58bb2982; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:38:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b58bb2982; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:38:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lx-00075C-UT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lx-000753-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3lv-0000F7-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB667B802A; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0E5F3862; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id BD22918056; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from 183.54-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (183.54-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.54.183]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20100121213644.sbqj435ce8k8w0cs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roger Lapthorn References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.54.183 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roger, path lengths (earth surface): G3XBM: 337km G3ZJO: 411km G4JNT: 420km But I assume that at night time it is ionospheric propagation, where =20 the path loss is mainly determined by attenuation and reflection loss =20 in the ionosphere. When using daytime (groundwave) signals one would indeed need to take =20 the distance (and terrain) into account. For ionospheric propagation the take-off angle of the antenna is also =20 important. A low take-off angle will give better signals at long =20 distance and might give the impression of low ERP at short distance. So, as said in my previous mail: all figures given are give or take =20 some dB's (although far less than 100dB). It would be interesting to do the same exercise for other RX stations, =20 the "raw data" are available at wsprnet.org ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Hi Rik, > > This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW =20 > ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well =20 > for last night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements =20 > done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my =20 > estimate of effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as =20 > being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the =20 > 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large error margins. It would =20 > be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW ERP is a =20 > correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim's =20 > last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. > > What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That =20 > will also have some effect on the relative levels. > > BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: =20 > "Terman's Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) > stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water =20 > was 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, > > the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org =20 > web site is that a lot af data is available. > I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from =20 > the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied =20 > at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: > I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then =20 > is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less =20 > important. > > * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger= ) > 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference =20 > of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's =20 > (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) > > * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of An= dy) > 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that =20 > Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ? > But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) =20 > 120mW as well ... > > * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy= ) > Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) > > All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, =20 > my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > 73 > > Eddie G3ZJO > > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy =20 > Talbot > Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED = =20 > informace. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: =20 > 01/19/10 17:49:00 > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF044-8be84b58455f29; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:15:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11AA138000061; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXvvE-0004u5-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXvvE-0004tw-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXvvB-0005jt-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0LCDoFR021894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:43:50 -0330 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:43:50 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 21-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b58455d4b03 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny. 73 Joe On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hello Joe,LF > Nice capture and also audible, > best 73s > Henny pa3cpm. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 21-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-5eed4b4c6ce92b; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:36:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75DFC3800026C; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfyT-0000nV-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfyT-0000nM-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfyR-0000FE-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CCZmbM018471 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:48 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:49 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A95@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A95@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Thread-Index: AcqTfmedapAbHhDEQd2LNkSnFu7eTQAAsMAW References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B4C625C.4080501@telia.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.671;11.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.122417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9383.C36DE375" Subject: AW: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b4c6ce41c9a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9383.C36DE375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Jahan, tnx. =20 I do not use an output transformer in my E PAs, rather a simple coil (whic= h becomes the biggest part of the PA on 137kHz when losses should be less= :-) ), i mean a LC transformer.=20 OK, i understand what you mean about the harmonics. But are the harmonics= such a problem? I use a standard 4 pole lowpass filter and harmonics were= n't ever been a real problem. Even without a LP filter the wave looks asto= nishing sinus like ;-), at least at Z=3DR=3D50 Ohm. Additional complexity will be on the driver side (?) but that is an intere= sting concept! I have never thought about that. Are there no problems with= coupling? I mean, the phase has to be exactly 180deg and so you have to= choose exactly the same Cs, Ls and so on. What about the variation of the= parameters of the FETs and Ls and Cs due to temperature rising (if it is= not changing equally), manufacturing and so on? Isn't that a bigger probl= em than the harmonics? =20 What are you planning, how much power on wich band? And which FETs do you= use? IRFP series? =20 73 es gl :-)=20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Stefan, yes, a single ended class E amplifier would give the same power with both FETs in parallel but, due to symmetry, the push-pull design has the advantage of cancelling all even order harmonics by design. 3f is the first harmonic to worry about so the lowpass filter can be made simpler. The added complexity of push-pull is minimal - one more capacitor and one more DC feeding choke. And, yes, an output transformer in case you didn't already use one for impedance matching in the single ended case. By the way, the amplitude of the first harmonics of a single ended class E amplifier (without lowpass filter!) is 0.51/QL (2f) and 0.08/QL (3f) with respect to the carrier (1f) amplitude. QL is the loaded Q of the series resonant tank, XL/Rload. Example: If QL =3D 5.1, a reasonable value, the amplitude of the 2f harmonic will be 0.51/5.1 =3D 0.1 compared to the carrier i.e. -20dBc. In a perfectly balanced push-pull circuit, the 2f harmonic will disappear so the first harmonic problem will be 3f at -36dBc which is "16dB easier" to filter and further from the carrier as well :-). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Johan, >=20 > What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? 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<934244.12961.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605d4b64cfa36b73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok pick it up next time I'm down. Alan --- On Sat, 30/1/10, SAM JEWELL wrote: > From: SAM JEWELL > Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the= BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 20:36 > Hi Alan, > it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of the > laser + PIN boards I offered last year? There was no > interest then.......! > Just take it away. >=20 > Sam, G4DDK >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: > ALAN MELIA > To: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: > Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:39:18 > Subject: Re: > LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the > BF862 >=20 > Hi > Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this > for some time but assumed a bigger signal would be required > for the LED. I am not really up to speed with opto-devices. >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer > wrote: >=20 > > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop > preamp with the BF862 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 > >=20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Dear LF,=20 > > =20 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture > of > > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be > come, > > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > > =20 > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation > if the > > picture is in the correct format now. > > =20 > > I will subscribe to the reflector with > > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > > agn. > > =20 > > I do some modifications to the RX in the > > moment and will send the new and perhaps better > circuit > > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > > =20 > > 73, > > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b5c2c9d140; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8D173800011B; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Th-0005Kp-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tg-0005Ke-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Td-0007BQ-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwOADe7W0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYszECEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="425781817" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 11:17:51 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01ca9ce6$de0d5fb0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b5c2c9b5cb8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Dave and= all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark fo= r Rik and GM.

 

Dave, yes the= modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

 

73

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010= 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi, Eddie.

 

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is abou= t 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

 

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of both modes!

 

(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double fr= equency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencie= s, and the carrier drops between letters.)

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knigh= tsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

 

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a no= te on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard= settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around= 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals ca= n spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/= 10 19:33:00

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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5d44b60a2622c9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:31:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44b60a2622c9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:30:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEW9-0004IT-78 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEW8-0004IK-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEW6-0006AI-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF657B802A for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B036E31E703 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:27:33 +0100 Thread-Topic: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqfiEP+BP+8NZBWQUqrysLSZ3BvbwABuRsS Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,<= /font>
 
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-8ba54b61959e2a0; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A17C38000160; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUhF-0002U7-OW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUhF-0002Ty-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaUhD-0006hU-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so173012fgg.10 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SWOqE+Viy47hNcrijYyrpInyg/kJxvcH2VF0bjsECX4=; b=EqscU4e7I7wYDdtHqpcf4owxyNjzbvRCToXaRnn52DUAS8pHOf2QtouX6ilkYz0Qpk 7zedOkwjF6IkRqOSJa446WLa4Llyz/Llrh/x3HjE0PqefqsNWM7dz+cUOspaD8CvGnGh jYh2DE78MrYqmyF5LJ0pR36UrI6TTCw0qtqOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UlQdAeK5Th2oljwOvq+xZNZwpfY6ZmUuXRb3jmpPIurcpo4MsYLRFEQRjCIO2NNp2n Q1pcYbQUqi4QcdvL2VgYnGKkESv1/s9EljF7atUasVpO4xOe3fi8CM1UjrWj3Iv46hAX nsLnOQiN/QcL/RATJphx7YHdiudM9PZcq67TI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.165.72 with SMTP id w8mr1282057hbd.8.1264686365351; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b61959c7481 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 VERY TRUE.......... One solution for narrow band would them be to filter the output to remove the fundamental (and any other odd order) componets that cause the asymetry Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 28 January 2010 08:25, Johan H. Bodin wrote: > Andy, > > such a doubler will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a > perfect 50/50 square wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by > both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the > clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the > flip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input > signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad). > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Andy Talbot wrote: > > I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive > > signals quite recently. > > > > How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 > > mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can > > consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from > > the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original > > to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train > > suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > --001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
VERY TRUE..........
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One solution for narrow band would them=A0be to filter the output to= remove the fundamental (and any other odd order) componets that cause the= asymetry

Andy
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On 28 January 2010 08:25, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com<= /a>> wrote:
Andy,

such a doubler= will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a
perfect 50/50 squ= are wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by
both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the
= clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the
f= lip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input
signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad).=

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

Andy Talbot wrote:
> I was looking at driving= push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive
> signals quite recen= tly.
>
> How about a frequency doubler? =A0 =A0The output does= n't have to have 1:1
> mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. =A0 And simple double= r can
> consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time= constant)
> followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shif= ted in phase from
> the 500kHz drive signal. =A0Then apply this one, =A0along with the or= iginal
> to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of= a 1MHz train
> suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarew= ave drive.
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com <http://www.g4jnt.com>

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7Q9H+RlR/jS/rqfWFFFFeYegFfOH7Sn/ACMOh/8AXo//AKHRRQB//9k= --------------030204070909030801090102-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.218]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b5f4cef17d; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:13:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F100E38000280; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZrld-0000n2-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:12:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZrlc-0000mt-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:12:04 +0000 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) 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X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 77.201.154.105 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4b5f4cec4c96 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 OK Andrey, i wait your beacon. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru= a =20 =E9crit : Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
OK Andrey, i wait your beacon.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@ma= il.ru a=20 =E9crit :
H= ello=20 LF,
Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90.
Start at 21z. Will work all=20 night.
Reports are welcome!

73=20 Andrey

 
 
 --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4b5b20b03a0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:15:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 470043800008D; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYid7-0006Iv-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYid7-0006Im-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYid6-0006Wz-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100123160926.LLPM10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:26 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYiYA-0007q2-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:26 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqcRm682sHRpbOGQYS7YOmuGzrN9A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=YgseInDmnpUA:10 a=8mcNObjiWxMMzvCAjlQA:9 a=qclfb86ZB3n0NkWbjfPAQs3AmXsA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Pfy8QZGP05U_LtEsQl0A:9 a=rMYnknL30nI8W-tX1JffqAO2Ql0A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5b20af1668 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4   50= 2.3  dial

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG082-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG031-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSF-0007oj-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSE-0007oa-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUdSB-0007Qk-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so48676052pxi.30 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NEMZfYMSXzWnFKTQY+RxH+8qX+NZ9u1igOTJDtP6DKw=; b=CxyOIC7fS9Ofnn+8P7zxyH7cqhafpZ369H8U1r6Nv6EzJVqVEiA/OuEEtwqXUBjf9o G7SjkdtXEW6mmBqMZ7DzfCSAA/r+VjHy01upOin3N9RgK+hqRRKlDZb/wu3fGvRYtQCS 7zzKI+0JGtdXseibSEDPeES4NeLh7Xur7/Z7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bmbt6lyFaWzRVDdW+7RO2NlqAh4AJ3rOYhQsSWEvZZVBNnjJX7h1HPadJUBrF0tjdN d6RoCq86wDvKpoYGgPXyHooPOfoGHRAfBMs9GPv6ViOeIjk5kx0ftJjotrFntvNKnKNP wdSPJ8JMPis6E7jVyRGixQ9uCScybX63MNDjM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.12 with SMTP id b12mr5877336rvn.11.1263290055520; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:14 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 333dcbe1cc6e2429 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pat, LF, *You wrote :-* *"**As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever surpassed it"* *I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft.* 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/11 g4gvw > Oh dear Mal! > > I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living in > the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and > regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a > political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a > legal or regulatory system. > As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever > surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on > every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end > in itself. > You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance > - I no longer have that excuse! > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere > > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did > not > > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "g4gvw" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was > intended > > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > > > effective radiation. > > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > > > considered a "message"! > > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot > determine > > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > > > listener under the regulations. > > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions > to > > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote > ... > > > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > Licence: > > > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > > > addition to it. > > > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat, LF,

You wrote :-
"As to my own LF achievements= , my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
wi= th a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer
= and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about somethin= g called LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of= achievement was
so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
s= urpassed it"

I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just= realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years= ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under= the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft= .

73=

Ga= ry - G4WGT.
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">
<= br>
2010/1/11 g4gvw <g4g= vw@aol.com>
Oh dear Mal!=

I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living= in
the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and
regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a
political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a
legal or regulatory system.
As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something calle= d LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on
every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end=
in itself.
=A0You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance<= br> - I no longer have that excuse!



On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote:
> That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a= mere
> radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria= did not
> apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@ao= l.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...
>
>
> > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone<= br> > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licence= s from
> > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was= intended
> > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on= any
> > effective radiation.
> > One might also consider the definition of "message" -= the presence or
> > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might= be
> > considered a "message"!
> > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur= radio
> > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations= who
> > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cann= ot determine
> > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of= view of a
> > listener under the regulations.
> > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at= any
> > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and condi= tions to
> > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF.
> > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there"= is a strange and
> > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote:
> > > In a recent message, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote ... > > > >
> > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever= ?
> > >
> > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of= your Licence:
> > >
> > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only= used:
> > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, in= cluding
> > > conducting technical investigations....
> > >
> > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is= merely an
> > > addition to it.
> > >
> > > To me, radio communication means passing messages.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > David G4DMP
> > >
> > --
> > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> > =A0qth nr felixstowe uk
> > (east coast, county of suffolk)
> >
> >
>
>
--
73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
=A0qth nr felixstowe uk
(east coast, county of suffolk)



--000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA051-b5244b40dfdf95; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:20:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BF43380000BC; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV31-0003YK-0L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV30-0003YB-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRV2x-0001F9-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGADtuQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLDYIJwV+EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="404344932" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:19:17 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:19:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b40dfde7474 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A first QSO at midnight 2010, fi= rst ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk cont= act. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Ypma, S.H. ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert= =20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To All LF, Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently receive= d permissions (via VRZA) to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010.= PA0A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible mis= understandings caused by my previous email to the reflector. The Dutch= Telecom Authorities nor VRZA have publicised anything on their Intern= et sites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been= informed about anything yet. Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his acheivements! Best Regards / Best 73's Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've= been warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one cal= led him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use th= e band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has= not yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m ban= d tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For= those able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publ= ication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have= been adequately informed about the process. It is not even clear if= notifications to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Am= ateurs have already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via th= is reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and an= d therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of= 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band= without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to= QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Du= tch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual= Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiment= s transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the fut= ure will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO'= s, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO'= s from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy= ' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him= on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to= repeat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radio= zendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt ov= er de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken= wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in rela= tie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor= de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bi= j de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De vere= nigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de vereniginge= n een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn= de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experimen= t. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanm= erking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voo= r de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wi= j dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael
Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA= 0A first QSO=20 at midnight 2010, first ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KE= V ie=20 Holland/uk contact.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amate= urs in PA have=20 apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to transmi= t=20 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this an= d I=20 appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my= previous=20 email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA&= nbsp;have=20 publicised anything on their Internet sites until now and= the VERON=20 members (like myself) have not been informed about anything yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in orde= r for=20 his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0F= MT
Sent: Sunday, January 03,= 2010 5:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 50= 0kHz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we= 've been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called=20 him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea= to give=20 Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to= use the=20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10,= M. Sanders=20 <misan@= xs4all.nl>=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0= A on=20 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Cc:=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the of= ficial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experime= ntal=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radi= o=20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those abl= e to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publica= tion is=20 quoted below. However not all their memeber= s seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the= process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transm= issions=20 like the one recorded below and and therfore&nbs= p;QSO's=20 with PA stations may still be regarded as an act= of 'radio=20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an= frequency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Am= ateurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a startin= g date=20 somewhere in the future will be in ord= er, and=20 not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as= of=20 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a ric= h history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the fir= st=20 succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur,= OM Jesse,=20 was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the= Judge=20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the ten= dency to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,<= /FONT>
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang to= t 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met=20 de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VR= ZA op 7=20 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz=20 band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van=20 het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de=20 randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor= de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebrach= t bij de=20 nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC).= De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agen= tschap=20 Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over= de inhoud=20 van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de= =20 verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateur= zaken. De=20 randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het= experiment=20 zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 
=
Als vergunninghouder=20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verant= woordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individu= ele=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Ind= ividuele=20 aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen=20 door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= /SPAN>
Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bek= end via=20 deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

= =20

 
----- Original Message= -----
= From: Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Friday, Jan= uary 01,=20 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF:= PA0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the= two of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals.
73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T



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nice signal today on 137KHz!, tnx for= the QSO=20 agn.
best DX, have a nice weekend!<= /DIV>
 
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air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4b60c066212; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6EC333800015D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGVz-0007HN-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGVz-0007HE-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGVw-0007vW-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3536.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC3DC1C00084 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60204b60c0636522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dmitry" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM To: Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > Hi LF > > PA grabber work! > http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html > > Dmitry > ra3yo > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-8b744b5eca3b1b4; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:55:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B33F38000090; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZj4N-000859-A1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZj4M-000850-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:50 +0000 Received: from web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZj4K-0007CN-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 80440 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264502755; bh=4Y8YfmgiEMbigjR2We0n8hUoUycZz5ssFLprDMqEl60=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bYycPYmwv9n9cP9lZjMjJRuYNWKYf4e6aqf+Zxr6HZB/VcyGhidc8OAoc9KzI2J46z52mHDNUXccyOyXYqxZWl/It+DkyYF60FycB3U6lW+ot9bLXp0UO+D3WxVtPrwYvRXKc9uTQpr3ThpGIDOoSKTWjLnDzPf7FokweXFH9HA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xXFvhRkyh0MSOuvFkYkOhGaVPAp19QmwD7T/rp5xeAsiTv5auLB59gpPyljvrZ/KgXnq6WlqdRvg/00fNo87/ggRLu5c5refo5PpxnUQM9YllzjkFmmCYCNCUvc/cbN/2XQ71lFuUiyVAWBy/kKxQr29IVi+n2bX55D2ek4rkUo=; Message-ID: <760083.80415.qm@web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BAUusp0VM1lxMFI50Tl4h26w7Iy4_jPgW_5Hi.V7bD6gZKFmn2VjGa161z1Py1h.PIozqrtMTGS9UGAa.aYPX4eb0KoKKxouavaaztY_MUbMfMJlhX0wl.G.bXrIOYazqIvMU6ysvCLZ38N.QH_dPS2g5EmqtMGagjesgDL6.8pQ__1tQKZoXC8A2yQHNpIlzbitC4ZOXWgxFxkjhA0hqLpyGicu8RZT.G0PvPdXn_txVE2.fFsrdehxaOTzHaUsUi1w7cLAfE0Zvb.mRaSRGNV084siv5rFGIzPqkAisr7Ettf8BS3DVmm.lOl4ijBSNSPy Received: from [86.134.65.222] by web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-153953470-1264502755=:80415" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5eca3a429b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-153953470-1264502755=:80415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, CW is most definitely used for EME above 432MHz. Although JT65C is very ef= fective on 1.3 and 2.3GHz, CW is still the preferred mode. This is mainly= due to a very strong pro CW attitude amongst many of the EME operators.= Having said that, the level of JT65C on 1.3GHz is VERY high relative to= the number of operators on EME overall. As you have probably seen, quite= small EME systems are capable of making successful QSOs even with low ERP= using this mode.=20 JT4G also works on EME. However, the poorer sensitivity of this mode (comp= ared to JT65C) limits its use to the higher bands where libration can rend= er JT65C unusable. The digital 'cw' mode developed for the 47GHz EME QSOs= is a bit different again and doesn't seem to have caught on to any great= extent. I can't remember its designation! Hellschrieber has also been used in EME. I hope this helps? 73 de Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010 10:22:02 Subject: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Can anyone on this group tell me whether Morse is still used for EME=20 and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts, or does all activity now use=20 purpose-designed digital modes? Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0-153953470-1264502755=:80415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,
CW is most definitely used for EME above 432MHz. Alt= hough JT65C is very effective on 1.3 and 2.3GHz, CW is still the preferred= mode. This is mainly due to a very strong pro CW attitude amongst many of= the EME operators. Having said that, the level of JT65C on 1.3GHz is VERY= high relative to the number of operators on EME overall. As you have prob= ably seen, quite small EME systems are capable of making successful QSOs= even with low ERP using this mode.
JT4G also works on EME. However,= the poorer sensitivity of this mode (compared to JT65C) limits its use to= the higher bands where libration can render JT65C unusable. The digital= 'cw' mode developed for the 47GHz EME QSOs is a bit different again and= doesn't seem to have caught on to any great extent. I can't remember its designation!
Hellschrieber has also been used in EME.

I hope th= is helps?

73 de Sam, G4DDK



From: Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Sent: Tuesday, 26 January,= 2010 10:22:02
Subject: LF: Off topic: MS and EME

Can anyone on this group tell me= whether Morse is still used for EME
and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts= , or does all activity now use
purpose-designed digital modes?

= Please reply direct to:
mike.dennison@ntlworld.com<= /a>

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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--0-153953470-1264502755=:80415-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5efc4b405eba7d; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:09:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 03AB6380000BE; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 04:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRMRF-0000xe-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRMRF-0000xV-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRMRD-0007JR-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 2625 invoked by uid 507); 3 Jan 2010 10:07:32 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 10:07:32 +0100 Message-ID: <201001031007360292.0A97CDDC@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:07:36 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DK7SU 459 by ear on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b405eba3d32 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0901z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b623bb25a; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:36:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D912D380000BD; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naflm-00050k-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naflm-00050b-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.102]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naflk-0003yn-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc02) with ESMTP id <20100129013523H0200aca5be>; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:35:22 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b623baf0fbc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you > can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! > > 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 > W4DEX EM95tg 6140 284 > > > Tnx for the decode > > Graham > > G0NBD > > QSL Graham! Received thorough a 20 db attenuator in line with a 500 KHz TX antenna connected to a FT-817 with it's internal attenuator selected. Dex, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a924b50c32413a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:34:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA102-a924b50c32413a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:33:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrux-0005K6-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrux-0005Jv-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVruv-0002P9-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 698231C00089 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5C5C51C0008A for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.230]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D63D61C00089 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100115193301877.D63D61C00089@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6EAB0902607544D4A85D88B394570F3D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Lee That 504 signal is 20 to 30 db over the noise floor , this side of the hills .. some times its so strong, you can resolve the modulation .. wonderful .....oh and it makes pretty spectrum plots on spec-lab .... G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Hudson" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:18 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: Dirty carrier > > Hi Rik, > > Maybe I should have also noted that what I was receiving extended from > 503.450 to 504.550. > > 73, Lee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 15 January 2010 18:21 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier > > > Lee, > > the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. > I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-8bff4b3e6a0f193; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:33:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DE4338000101; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQp5o-0002Iu-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQp5n-0002Il-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:31 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQp5l-00065O-0C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 65636 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 21:31:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yFJoGuDk4TBlkgsekxyAoC3RYlHaQfYgtZjkjnjs2/CfE0/+OmOvhNDLcuLDHDmuSyKM6zt6cENJr8q7fGTWxYQc1VvTA5+2EEs1wg1r/rTPyMYTAZNooQW44SYknyEz5/3gvD/qVZSHJvZIjcsfBBmoOHIGnaTUsZ8u2u53KZI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 21:31:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lJWkjtMVM1lwpiRdgbS_5tIJkrV30FweVk..CckUMmkufFJOuJk6TBo.ZKDaUua0kuI18AgpBpOsaTTqmfEup56GmCE72oJqPZ5gM1Xq.EBy5SAP1jLY7jKGimKJ5E7.ab313O4qO7KRpilZ.cy9JHkDSvIH6BAStuq7F90UMh0VUZph4QFQZgofAGS6tBzUF827VXL6w01bVJugNngzCILeraiQfrMi_NfJkQOKxznN7Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:31:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon WSPR parameters changed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3e6a0e3101 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports very welcome I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's changes, and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this mode. Happy new year to all on the LF reflector, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b4a306432a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:54:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3457C3800012C; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3qv-0004Zt-2w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3qu-0004Zk-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:32 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3qr-0004EC-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:32 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13501394bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2M4ICwTsglGcerIVLYckh/2p8O5lM7RamqNXa3Tdgek=; b=CaXUsSmJSX4Kkj9oySBxcGrXHH972U+Y23nqbY6UYMLp+oY0ZHjgnnfM81ag1ORj7n VYw9gMzY15gAwjdI9OIdQB7UZcyW1tkWVIUEOuWrR7MCyMloHF7OSZ0SKN6P5xafM2bI qJBI5iq3vGcNB2yvRUzkS7tHTOoLY4hjZJn3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jHZFrduFE/RP7n7ZYyP5bw4CWns/H+QfWCqfAjl4AlGJMwn4UNJtJKw/lZkcXC0M3Z zNXk8D2aJKCoqSZmFZMqOAqGs/K3qFfd2ANJgCZ6vlR2yWQ1KdGnNOJQ8gHp4S1ngeH7 hePiBF2CH9WlhTf/z6G5ygGJdILxI0sHrj+bE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.137 with SMTP id c9mr99975bkd.44.1263153203354; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:53:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b4a30633748 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton > Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur > trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace > been keyed it could have been identified. > I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and > speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW > Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little > antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding > noise. > RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be > calculated just guessed and meaningless. > Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given > power on WSPR > > Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz > Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to > hear very weak signals than many others. > > For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms > range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another > 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under > favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a > good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he > might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he > is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. > > It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the > propagation theory etc. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > >> Dear LF, >> >> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >> >> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >> and antenna configuration? >> >> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >> its performance with other known signals. >> >> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the >> remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the >> same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it >> fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >> >> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a >> great 2010 >> >> With best regards >> >> >> >> >> >> *Jim* >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >> >> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >> >> ** >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it pe= rforms.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the the= oretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can= be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall= be interested to see what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM



2010/1/1= 0 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied=20 u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some ti= me but=20 had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid=20 guesswork and speculation and use normal=A0CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often=20 at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and=20 environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn,=20 these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.=
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real=20 time.
=A0
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget ca= lculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV= has a much lower noise floor than most=20 stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may= be=20 easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others.

For wh= at=20 it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms rang= e in=20 S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB= in=20 hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favour= able conditions.=20 I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The ma= gic=20 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have= seen a=20 "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms= away, but if it=20 was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to= see=20 what people say is possible based on the propagation theory=20 etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <= ;james.cowbu= rn@virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resou= rce=20 for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set=20 distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably= =20 consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around= -22dB=20 and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for rough= ly=20 estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EM= R) at=20 that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separat= e Rx=20 stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations th= en it=20 should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strengt= h at a=20 given Rx based on its performance with other known=20 signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB the= n how=20 much further would the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me= ,=20 assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their= =20 capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB differen= ce=20 over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers= and=20 best wishes to all for a great 2010

= With bes= t=20 regards

= =A0

= =A0

Jim

= =A0

= =A0

= Dr. Jame= s Cowburn=20 G7NKS

= E=20 james.cowburn@virgin= .net<= /font>

=A0

=A0

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--0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.136]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC062-a9744b4b603966; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AADA53800009D; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUO4s-0004Ep-LD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUO4s-0004Eg-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUO4q-0007xy-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A301D1C00089 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 958981C00086 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.9.217]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4975D1C00089 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100111172910301.4975D1C00089@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40884b4b603744e8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An extract from a uk 500 station note book ...... There I was, a-digging this hole=20 A hole in the ground, so big and sort of round it was=20 There was I, digging it deep=20 It was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep=20 When along, comes this bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched= his head=20 Well we looked down the hole, poor demented soul and he said=20 Do you mind if I make a suggestion?=20 Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere=20 Your digging it round and it ought to be square=20 The shape of it's wrong, it's much much too long=20 And you can't put hole where a hole don't belong=20 Mean while these ''new comers'' with no experience of LF experiment= ation quietly slip into the record books with the first WEST CO= AST decode on 500 =20 while the more experienced ponder the finer points of plastic V bra= ss key tapping , =20 More tea anyone ? G .. From: g3zjo=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Jim M0BMU wrote:- >You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true= =20 >QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! Tobacco tin for the TX, yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine= will go in an Altoids tin :-)=20 Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An extract from a uk 500  statio= n note book=20 ......

There I was, a-digging this hole
A hol= e in the=20 ground, so big and sort of round it was
There was I, digging it de= ep
It=20 was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep
When along, com= es this=20 bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched his head
Well we= looked down=20 the hole, poor demented soul and he said

Do you mind if I make= a=20 suggestion?

Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere
Your digging= it round=20 and it ought to be square
The shape of it's wrong, it's much much= too long=20
And you can't put hole where  a hole don't belong
=
 
Mean while  these ''new comers''=  with no=20 experience of  LF experimentation  quietly  slip into&n= bsp;=20 the  record books  with the  first  WEST COAST&nbs= p;=20 decode  on 500 
while the  more  experience= d ponder the=20 finer points of  plastic V brass  key  tapping ,=20  
 
More  tea anyone ?
 
G ..
 
 


From: g3zjo
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Jim M0BMU wrote:-

 =

>You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco ti= n for a=20 few pounds, in true

>QRP style, although the same probably isn'= t true for=20 the transmitter!

 

Tobacco tin for the= TX, yes, wow, that=20 would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) <= /FONT>

 =

Eddie<= FONT color=3Dblue> G3ZJO

 

 



------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.141]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-86a64b4de0c5375; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:03:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7AC7E3800006E; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4jt-0003nc-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4jt-0003nT-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV4jr-0000YJ-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0DF2A3F032765 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:02:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <77AEBAC7CA0D44CAB48CC6E6BB012CED@PCvanAlbert> From: "Albert" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:02:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b4de0c21a6d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, I can't help you, but I use the same PA here. Changed the capacitor ba= nks and the coils and with some tweaking of the coils, I put them on= frequency one by one. I just tuned for maximum power, and the heatsin= ks are getting just warm at full power. I started with 20 V supply vol= tage during the tuning process and the PA was driven by a signal gener= ator, so I could simple find resonance frequency and step by step clos= ing in at 500 kHz. The DECCA PA gives me a nice 800W in 50 ohms at 48V= supply voltage. =20 73, Albert PA0A =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: malhamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at th= e operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching charact= eristics like in class E mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal,
 
I can't help you, but I use the same= PA here.=20 Changed the capacitor banks and the coils and with some tweaking= of the=20 coils, I put them on frequency one by one. I just tuned for maximum po= wer, and=20 the heatsinks are getting just warm at full power. I started with= 20 V=20 supply voltage during the tuning process and the PA was driven by a si= gnal=20 generator, so I could simple find resonance frequency= and step by=20 step closing in at 500 kHz. The DECCA PA gives me a nice&nbs= p;800W in=20 50 ohms at 48V supply voltage.
 
73, Albert=20 PA0A     
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 malhamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 13,= 2010 12:38=20 PM
Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx

Does anyone know if the series L an= d C was tuned=20 for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for opti= mum=20 switching characteristics like in class E
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-a8464b62c37a3a8; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:16:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50EE4380000BC; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naooc-0006Q2-9A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naoob-0006Pt-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaooZ-0007o1-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:05 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8777B806A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17892F3863 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:49 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:58 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <301460.22362.qm@web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <301460.22362.qm@web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100129111449.17892F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b62c378083c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Alan, I agree that the typical 500kHz QSB is indeed ionospheric multipath causing interference. I surface wave was involved I would only notice it with stations I can also hear during daytime. About Reg's program: any idea what formula's are behind it ? 73, Rik ON7YD PS: including some carriage returns in your mails would be nice ;-) At 11:57 29/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention the late Reg's >program. Your estimate is probably right and the thing is >complicated further by even in daytime the skywave being stronger >than the ground wave beyond 1000km (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's >data on DCF39 to Oporto route) On the longer paths you cannot rely >on the skywave only consisting of one hop(whereas I believe this may >be true at short distances) there is some evidence that at night on >500kHz there are two different paths even at quite short distances >(cf the reported very deep fading on stations that cannot be heard >in daytime....i.e the fading is probably between two skywave path >rather than ground and skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes >may be reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than >two hop.....not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great >Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, >29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: >Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: >Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, >9:22 > > > Hello Stefan, > > > ground waves (surfaces waves) are a >tricky thing. > > The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double >distance) > takes only the > 2D spreading loss into account. This >would be correct if > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and >if the earth would be flat. > > In reality you have 2 additional >losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > earth curve) and ground >loss. > > The bad message is that these losses both have a more or > >less 1D > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less >linear > to the > distance. > > The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS >application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > you can put in a lot of >parameters (distance, antenna > efficiency, > frequency, ground >type, TX power) and it gives you the path > attenuation, > field >strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. > > It must be on the web >on several places (google it), but in > case you > cannot find it I >can send it to you. > > Just as an example the path loss this >programme gives > for 137kHz > and an average ground: > > 250km = >55.1dB > > 500km = 65.3dB > > 750km = 74.7dB > > 1000km = 83.5dB > > >2000km = 115.4dB > > 3000km = 144.5dB > > 4000km = 172.2dB > > >5000km = 199.0dB > > As you can see doubling the distance "costs" >far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky wave is a different >story). > > I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface > >wave limit for > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), >maybe a > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with >sky waves. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 02:51 29/01/2010, >you wrote: > > Hi Alan and LF, > > > > > I know there are some of >you who can easily > answer my > question that follows :-) > > > > >The maximum distance of the groundwave at a > specific > >fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the > antenna >current of > the TX antenna, right? > > So, if i have an antenna >current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > 1000km, i would >reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > surrounding noise > level, >same average ground properties, same OP ;-) > )?. > > > > I expect, >that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > beyond this 2000km >border but rather decreases with 1/r, > just as > before. > > > > >So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > the >above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? > >Sure, thats a very > theoretical question since there will not be >the same > ground conductivity > on the whole distance but >anyway. > > > > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not >affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. There must >be > interferences with the > sky wave, so QSB, but this does not >affect the groundwave > at an other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is >present!? > > > > If there is so much sea water between a >transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to do it with the >groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but on > LF? > > > > Tnx for >enlightning answers... > > > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > Von: > >owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA > > >Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 > > An: >rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path >.. but this is > getting > silly > > > > Ah this 500k stuff is too >easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.29]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-5ea94b40f4de354; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:49:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A889C380019E0; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWLL-0005Da-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWLL-0005DR-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWLL-00065N-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 75193 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 19:42:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262547741; bh=+XOmxMuwu5yyOyvnrZ6IBc7HlQqE2EAb5VE8n9Zx128=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xvgBIGJP3hyJ2xBE32XVmWRa+sdQzN2CCQV0Dw2vrOCDxiYuC0RoJnbKkaq8wQZaqmsVTnY679Z9PwhvS0h8A/+0UwlO8esOc/ZVw0TLBGnjMOu5+CakqgWPU4bAdrXxBGB5PcGcZoeh5elEmDlWzNO44pGDP1Nlf0AuU0c3ZQE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Yx+Hzmc5Uiwl4X5bcnBNf5w5jVNLfNEfjBylw00wUqEmjgAlki1wk/Hj+pe+3z1swbphyDxXX0dNUahzt2nULSLTFeIQ+boy7cgtz1skxrIJgzFXvppc4hdoN+pkknBSxLnoZ+uwwYa8fy0A35s7vsfFDC82YJ5R7N/B0qgf1sU=; Message-ID: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5dmHhbMVM1kTSaCDNcoajCg3BzQ.mglGXvhXkUWsbT96tYrnud9cOrolS2Pm95TUeZRzXcxgoWok92kl3PAmgfbQ14jDRrZQIypmQLp.MSP4RF6Nzp1DYEaYrxmNNemvtzJ.cGaMlwv6T_hty1v_Mf2U6atl8Y3gwDl.iZQsnxYkkew2ZAhCCqxKM8NIJn0iI7w.VM.2LJSp.sbzCRJfx.74OAfgPYk.4CURWpz1SmJMU1l6ZfVARdE.QGfmFrG9JhMdklcZfY0Y3_.Cs7l82z_O Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:42:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601d4b40f35c0b6a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger and LF =A0 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation and ca= n not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wide band= compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating via sk= y wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply. =A0 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission=A0from one of the EU "Vanity" stations= HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not have any= real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it is a non= issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neanderthal=A0brain= .=A0=A0 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The=A0Third Man was on TV over= the week end and .........=A0=A0 =A0 Harry Lime said ..... =A0"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they= had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonar= do da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love.= They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? -= The cuckoo clock!"=A0=A0=20 =A0 Think on! 73 es=A0HNY petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wrote: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 Mal,=20 Some suggestions: More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time ba= sed on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice= of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performa= nce/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere= in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of= interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to us= e this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce to weak signals is likely. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan le= ss".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and= S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to li= sten and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a stati= on is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV =A0 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 =20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-5ee74b44db8a3c9; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:50:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66022380000B3; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSawP-0007l1-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSawO-0007ks-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSawM-0001Lc-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsKAGNqREtOkav9/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAcpAhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="399574474" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.171.253]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2010 18:49:00 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:49:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8f00$e9bbc750$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b44db883811 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3 stations, and you can clearly see the snow build up and when you bashed it off!! >noticeable difference seen close in and at distance. >Mark GM4ISM Superb ! Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 19:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3 stations, and you can clearly see the sno= w build up and when you bashed it off!!

>noticeable difference seen close in and at distance.

>Mark GM4ISM

 

      &nb= sp;     Superb !

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI041-eac24b4e724f21f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFCBA38000071; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVEQj-00068U-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVEQj-00068L-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVEQg-0005CV-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0E1N3JG019640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:53:03 -0330 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:53:03 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b4e724d1add X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny. It is good to get another report from you which I am pleased to confirm for you. Thanks and 73 from MRCN Joe VO1NA On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Capture vx9mrc > the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible, > best 73s > Henny pa3cpm. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 13-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-8bc94b5cdce83c3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:51:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5363C38000092; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCDO-0002cN-QE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCDO-0002cE-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCDM-0003bQ-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWR007C4ZJ29O@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:49:51 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:49:50 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 509khz Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5cdce70864 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s --Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
--Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b46547bc5; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:39:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 609C338000047; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT03M-0003KY-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT03M-0003KP-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT03K-00084B-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 22426 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 21:37:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j1MVKpFl/GyGYi3ny4qZ9StUcEMUHqOglt1Q/KpgspWSgjaYoR06BrwMwC8B4fKiFr3KcsSHSJiO6SPOF7wqEVEhPURhM/l9bzUS2paRrSMw6jWKyhAwTo/od0Zji0GHkIm1YlSrqZz1jfWkd1sZ9UXvTBtrHhLnxwQqYIMWK8c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 21:37:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lF6BZ.YVM1nvA0K7vkM4MZK1iHiYpPBPLc9JjeuKc13Up7IPMnW7tNcCNPsbxamCppkKvVhVk.bqVft4SPInsDE5CzNo0qwP0DgTY1nQRyQQVGd7EAX509m7QG16jpw2rr6I1rSBETsb14A9vqeigAA43jFJkmi4cfBVD012kOIHAk_3y33ComcwYtC2GxDLE2dhmlrKa8AJcwccq8CuAU9SoT59NkPCcy7zE2l4z11wwQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:37:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b46547a460d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF group, Quite busy on 500kHz tonight - thanks to G3LDO, EI0CF and PA0A for the CW QSOs. Sorry, but I could not hear PE5T at all, probably due to the QRM/directional antenna issue mentioned before, although Finbar obviously could. Also I heard SM6BHZ in CW getting up to RST559 at the peaks of the QSB, although Gus was unable to copy me. I had a few problems with snow de-tuning the antenna, but OK now. Now running the WSPR beacon again, along with several others on 502.4kHz "dial frequency"- any reports very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5eff4b5c2c9d397; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D44238000094; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tc-0005KU-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tc-0005KK-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Ta-0007BP-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 24233 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 11:17:48 -0000 Received: from 188-23-184-122.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.184.122]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jan 2010 11:17:48 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:17:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1264331867.1818.10.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabber OE3GHB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5c2c9c7c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello group! I have now further improved the sensitivity on my grabber and will keep it running for a while. It could be of special interest for stations which are too close to Markus DF6NM. Unfortunately I could not manage to realize a wideband-grabber. It only covers the QRSS segment around 137.700. members.aon.at/grabber Comments are welcome. 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b60c21430; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:45:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D44E38000172; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGcl-0007O8-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGck-0007Nz-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:34 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGci-00080P-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:34 +0000 Received: from [94.75.152.175] (port=49874 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaGcc-0003Aj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:44:26 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60C1C2.7090008@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:44:18 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> <4B60BDF0.4080100@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: sdr pa grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924b60c213541c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? and 137.420-137.680 . > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dmitry" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM > To: > Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > >> Hi LF >> >> PA grabber work! >> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC061-a96f4b4f82bd142; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFCC33800009C; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWZX-0002SL-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWZW-0002SC-Mn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWZU-0007Uu-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705647B804A for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6236C31E702 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5DCF918056; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from 91.179.131.252 ([91.179.131.252]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20100114214523.i1xor1rdk0ccogkg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.179.131.252 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b4f82ba1689 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be =20 only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better =20 over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm =20 (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal =20 suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard =20 > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and =20 > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a =20 > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 =20 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a =20 > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V =20 > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-a8d34b58895a36b; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:05:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CC7DE3800004B; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY0S4-00067J-Bh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY0S3-00067A-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:11 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY0S0-0007OP-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:11 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so237787bwz.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=F8uKpplt5NaEi5b2eIn/iFnMcLgpp9A/2MY0N/G2PpY=; b=a4CYpx6crCnWuf8PQKXwq2HQBQZ7bdV8o+AzuBi1vTt6BJpWPadd5V3DAVKQeUF8+r xaRDhRNxxn4ZGwtVP53OLElMOCQ5LMPONnT/a/R+eTiqkiBZlTpxQD9jp3XbiEcSBacJ PYn00h84vOFHQbFCheb7BJ9/ai47Gp5efXrtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M3atmPdWT4HBVEi6DSK8P3/xgZZLIh0ydo45/s9SHuGfpCECjUuvISBcHI62S6FlbX nB4WcwQsEKzCXLo3PgY+pMVO77rLiwFwZ41lo8wLhi+78UCmqrIf5lED+IUCnWp2G940 bBoFjgA4nMMxlfbULlWN9YlzSKFjJT6hIYxFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.163.68 with SMTP id z4mr911477bkx.86.1264093441590; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, James Moritz DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b5889585973 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Jim, Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. Would much appreciate this. Thanks 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last= 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estim= ate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on= Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a litt= le optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether the= truth is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-86a44b521ef11bb; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:17:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B3B6380000B6; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWF4S-0004LL-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWF4R-0004LC-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWF4P-0004xk-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0GKGPR9017758 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id 08E737C833D; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.379 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23,WEIRD_PORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100 (MET) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: grabber at Twente WebSDR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b521eef2400 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, I've added an experimental 137 kHz "grabber" to the Twente WebSDR receiver. It can be found at http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html The receiver is located in JO32KF, in Enschede in the east of the Netherlands. The antenna currently is an end-fed 80m long wire on the roof of a 40m high building. However, I'm rather new to amateur LF activity, so I don't know whether the frequency range and scroll speed are appropriate for typical QRSS activity on this band; comments on this are welcome! 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b5c2e192e9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:25:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 008483800009F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Zo-0005dd-2v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Zn-0005dU-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:19 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Zl-0007Ge-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:19 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ0Zk-0002DN-00; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:16 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rAHS9GZQYhtU5ObB8wzcGnFjR5aBTaLW-wILshg3bVpgB+FJel20EYIalC5gMTrgt-@[84.147.216.64]) by fwd06.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ0Zg-2DEmLA0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:12 +0100 Message-ID: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rAHS9GZQYhtU5ObB8wzcGnFjR5aBTaLW-wILshg3bVpgB+FJel20EYIalC5gMTrgt- X-TOI-MSGID: c9496938-fe00-4194-a258-17ce724bc8c7 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5c2e1721b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, many thanks for the reports last night from F4DTL 639Km, F6CNI= 565 Km, DB1NN 6Km, PA8SWL 524 Km, OK2BVG 428Km, SV8CS 1525Km, SQ2BXI= 735 Km. Also thanks for the fone-reports from DL3NDR and DJ6LB and th= e mail-reports from SQ2BXI and DF6NM. Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of report= s between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be= a hard-working guy ). 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; many=20 thanks for the reports last night from F4DTL 639Km, F6CNI 565 Km, DB1N= N 6Km,=20 PA8SWL 524 Km, OK2BVG 428Km, SV8CS 1525Km, SQ2BXI 735 Km. Also thanks= for the=20 fone-reports from DL3NDR and DJ6LB and the mail-reports from SQ2BXI an= d=20 DF6NM.
Especially thanks to the Twente-radio= , it generated=20 hundreds of reports between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the&nbs= p;receiver=20 seems to be a hard-working guy ).
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-5f004b648826120; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:27:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 52A0A380000A4; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIxM-0003bi-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIxL-0003bZ-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIxJ-0002fo-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UJQ2Ld014716 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:03 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:02 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:02 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqh4PxxcI4I/N9cT7q+GI4p6xrDbgAADazf References: <2050490190@web.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.713;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.191524 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990" Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6488247673 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a strange= design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) =20 Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give my= a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. =20 I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to solve= this problem, sri agn. =20 I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new and= perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <kein Betreff>
Dear LF,
 
Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp= is in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook= exchange (?)
 
Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture,= please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct form= at now.
 
I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress= soon to solve this problem, sri agn.
 
I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will se= nd the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already worki= ng vy fine!
 
73, Stefan/DK7FC
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:23:11 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpt7-0000qq-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:23:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 6266 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from 188-23-89-103.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.89.103]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2010 17:23:01 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1263576181.2530.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GHB 15-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554b50a4b1364a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Henny! Many thanks for the report and the picture of my signal. I was looking at the grabber of Andrey and noticed a weak carrier on my QRG, that's why I stepped up for half a cps. In addition I noticed that my level generator (Hewlett-Packard HP-????, professional equipment) needs more than 2 hours to become stable and is drifting downwards prior. I thought it wouldn't take that long. 73 es tnx OE3GHB Gerhard Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 09:22 +0100 schrieb henny van elst: > Hi LF, > Capture GHB > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > GHB 15-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA033-b5124b5cc63718b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:14:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD456380000E0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAhm-0002LH-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAhl-0002L8-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:13 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAhj-0003Bt-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:13 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9A7B8048 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41CF31E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 6048A18056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5cc6352aaf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, some picture buiding up here, but at random lines. Are you sending one picture repetitive ? In that case: how long taken one picture ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! > > G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > >> >> Graham, >> >> I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kHz. >> MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while, but >> only for short time. >> I will let the software run for some time and let you know is somethin= g >> meaningfull comes out. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >>> >>> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> From: Graham >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the sam= e >>> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the >>> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software accepte= d >>> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may be= you >>> will get a decode soon ? >>> >>> tnx G >>> >>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Hello Graham, LF! >>> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >>> 73! >>> >>> Lubos, OK2BVG >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >>> >>> download link :- >>> >>> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Hello Graham, LF! >>> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >>> >>> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >>> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >>> >>> Set dial 501.500 : USB >>> Audio set 1500 Hz >>> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >>> >>> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! >>> >>> Reports ? >>> >>> Tnx - Graham >>> G0NBD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD? Dal= =C5=A1=C3=AD >>> informace. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav= =C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>> informace. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-b5344b4a54253da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 403653800006D; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DX-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DO-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6E9-0001Pg-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0AMPaOv003330 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Thread-Index: AcqSO0YBuMPzCV94QIis7w1rkuWOLAAAOOOh References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.670;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.10.221224 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9" Subject: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b4a542331a9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it is= the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw in wspr, congrats! What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with ev= en much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a QSO to VK will be possible?=20 I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal mean= ing of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software that does= record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done by you= due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station and= the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it do= ne by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the= same in than in CW?=20 If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and WSP= R accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer... Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contact?= Really? If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still doing= QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appears to some= of us.=20 For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice= since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same= time and want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything= else is just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not= increase any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated= when the next, of course better, version comes out... In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. 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 --part1_101b1.f5b2684.3879fc36_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-86524b4f7741f4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:57:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9567F3800012A; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVVnZ-0001vC-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVVnZ-0001v3-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVVnV-0003x2-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so26967pzk.30 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ILn75PZ5ZQYdaytrJv1tpyWO8qG/X3qyxKoWU8jo4TI=; b=klSe6+xj6insZaw6qeiQkwFXl+a2ss3wUnvliUz2xp+TwqhDZiieHuLFdPsez0r3Kw ipC10BzMefg1U4DrIX69kxFb9XuxCjSMltY+aIABsg+0Xt4Q7Fm6TzO3O6nDEVVVMeaZ dLHCubfdOUjC67uWeOg+u5r1RRlIG7RuBqKj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iJL708G0mZD3upZ7bLQ/9rN29tMKPZBs8UGJLtrjSY0q+Ngb3D4aEvywld1HmUioI5 ldmQNGOaazlKK/HT7DkGq8PM6Vgt0KcrB+KMWNFjvYUBVJPikuBO5SpPcaxwmZ7BqoZJ Hr7qtqeNSVjYivbMUuF5ebZexUfWJCWwAER64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr940314rvi.31.1263498952197; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:55:51 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d72a7b262604d1f Message-ID: <1f0624b91001141155u7fd9d2c8r67d3cf8a31065c14@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4f773e7c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roger, LF, Roger G3XBM wrote - For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated Here is one to beat that :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDn39wCYj3Y&NR=1 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > Mal (et al) > > Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) > > Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is > indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corner > of a garden. > > For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam > antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZcjqltJVA. > Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? > > Best 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > 2010/1/14 mal hamilton > > Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, >> at a modest height around 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, LF,

Roger G3XBM wrote -
For other big= antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X= being rotated

Here is one to beat that :-

=

Gary - G4WGT



2010/1/14 Roger Lap= thorn <rog= erlapthorn@gmail.com>
Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local= church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA there will= be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna= would only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el bea= m antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjql= tJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/1= 4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Hi
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--000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b48f550f5; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:29:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A44E3800014E; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTirF-0000Zs-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTirF-0000Zj-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTirD-00064O-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi75.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F1B1712A for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:20 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.89.125] by mcgi75.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:15 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <151157701.1263072495.40632648.29140@mcgi75.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b48f54f0294 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike, LF! Poor trace of your signal on 137.775.5 in my location: http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100109_G3XDV/135.58W_120_00010.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100109_G3XDV/135.58W_90_00010.jpg HNY 2010 to LF! -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b60aabff8; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F374A380004C3; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF4g-0004wh-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF4g-0004wY-3J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com ([209.85.218.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF4c-0006bL-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2403250bwz.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0XDqO6fuxN8A21cXcCIUxDu4zk/VPDD8rOMyTGX3pic=; b=npFlv4enAgMG9M4vc8iTXN9tEiWjfrwo1K2TI+vb7jpUTdFT5+W8BUGdWNPfxET+hx b27sd+n/2a+5S5Hm5wTqO7I3OJ31eeDKED9YkPv6VEOTe3huXvVhftwvsCcalPG8TVOF gnjs1D3o4Jzce3ITpmN9kBDzU32Po5mKrq7nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=K7+kIFWocM/l71Y6Vsl1KigbI08Fzhytar7DMWlmfh3aDM7lAZI4ey5kjbmO3xhPKb JxbEWLKeDkeQt9dnJL5DFSVuRQUomxyLAZB9dsVqFoCPvaXaplChDE3IzWfhg2m9zGxl uXk0LT9Id6hPBsjSlao5aUBfzoOA0sL/hYiRc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.212 with SMTP id 20mr725806bko.0.1264626307107; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001271305j4a0d83a7g20832c67b98d1878@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b60aabb0e73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 His reports for my 1mW ERP have always been huge too. I was thinking there was some particular magic with the skip distance, but others in JN18/JN19 give me more modest S/N reports. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a > just a case of being in a very quiet location... > These are pretty impressive S/N values > > > 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 > F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 > 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 > 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 > -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 > 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI > JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 > IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable His reports for my 1mW ERP have always been huge too.=A0 I was thinking th= ere was some particular magic with the skip distance, but others in JN18/J= N19 give me more modest S/N reports.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
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Hi Roger and LF
 
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation= and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wi= de band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating= via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.
 
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity"= stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not= have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it= is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neandertha= l brain.  
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on= TV over the week end and .........  
 

Harry Lime said .....=  "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, murder= and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the= Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 years= of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!"&n= bsp; 

 

Think on!


73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Laptho= rn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.c= om>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and st= ation performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty= of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational= modes.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good= idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moa= n less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spread= ing over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to= those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cann= ot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.=
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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--0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB062-a6ff4b5cd62c59; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:22:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7234138000149; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZBlB-0002UV-VM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZBlB-0002UM-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZBl9-0003TH-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F0CD1C00081 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 91C9B1C00088 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4D86D1C00081 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124232039317.4D86D1C00081@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <699F7EC6F239440CA407DB2532B6B2F0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB><20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b5cd62a3190 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik,... I have closed it down,, the pictures where taking an= ything=20 from 10 mins to 1 hour to send ! I had not realised the bit rate= was=20 so low .. next time I will make up a set of 'small' picture files= ...... Tnx for looking G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:13 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > > Graham, > > some picture buiding up here, but at random lines. > Are you sending one picture repetitive ? > In that case: how long taken one picture ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! >> >> G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F >> >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0= kHz. >>> MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while,= but >>> only for short time. >>> I will let the software run for some time and let you know is som= ething >>> meaningfull comes out. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >>>> >>>> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> From: Graham >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the= same >>>> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how = small=20 >>>> the >>>> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software ac= cepted >>>> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be=20 >>>> you >>>> will get a decode soon ? >>>> >>>> tnx G >>>> >>>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, LF! >>>> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >>>> 73! >>>> >>>> Lubos, OK2BVG >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >>>> >>>> download link :- >>>> >>>> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, LF! >>>> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >>>> >>>> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >>>> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >>>> >>>> Set dial 501.500 : USB >>>> Audio set 1500 Hz >>>> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >>>> >>>> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line= ! >>>> >>>> Reports ? >>>> >>>> Tnx - Graham >>>> G0NBD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD?= Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>>> informace. >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten= prav=C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>>> informace. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE054-5eb54b576c8f124; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:50:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7FD738000314; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhUM-0008CW-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhUM-0008CN-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s2.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhUL-0007gJ-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from COL122-W55 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s2.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:49:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:49:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> References: ,<083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 20:49:09.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[0394E960:01CA9A12] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_" Subject: LF: WSPR_G7NKS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b576c8c3396 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, LF! I am glad, that my written record of your signal has been your new record.= Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 From: james.cowburn@virgin.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 +0000 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_OK 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, LF!
I am glad, that my written record of your signal has bee= n your new record. Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: james.cowburn@virgin.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 +0000
Subject: LF: RE= : WSPR_OK

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">1200km!!!= !  new record for me!!

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

With best regards

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

Jim

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos= OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010 19:= 24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

H= ello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1= s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.


Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-864e4b5cbefe2cc; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CCCC8380000A8; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZADc-0001se-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZADb-0001sV-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZADY-0002sj-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAC835D7EC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.42]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id KtSCfr; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801ca9d3e$0e38d820$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: References: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 60 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b5cbefc7570 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Walter! Today your signal on WSPR mode: 2034 -26 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2036 -21 0.1 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2038 -23 0.2 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2042 -23 0.1 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2044 -20 0.0 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2046 -24 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2050 -26 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2052 -28 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2056 -29 0.2 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2100 -25 0.1 0.505092 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2102 -26 0.2 0.505092 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2106 -26 0.2 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2110 -26 0.2 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2112 -28 0.1 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2116 -28 0.4 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2120 -25 0.2 0.505094 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2122 -23 0.1 0.505094 0 DI2AG JN59 27 etc... 73! Mracin SQ2BXI Dear MF, just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-8bb54b60b3ef1c2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E478B3800017C; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFge-0005n0-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFgd-0005mr-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:31 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFga-00078G-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:31 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so11239pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zJB7IdKAMQqzdvjItH1xPXA+zRXVrfIRTcJfHyTKGZw=; b=XL8cKjt3Gs4U4Sq9npwBj/O5l6by6PKIzzcRRNiFXNwuc7kiKn3/5TxuvMYYBjWMDJ W7Tfvl4FtT1GOM8l5J3NP2iVT2b9sjJuqA/O+pWyVzLNLwG2b5JZxPRKPAFNNnTPhX4J 3AK/2b9NX+iISBmdjcSnsfypP3QK0Xs3/ncW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XqB3aUnDOBF9FdYJYzG0oN3Ky39wbj3GlpxHQGw3XcTLz5COASSRab4fmOHgowyMwg VegIal7R2J92Y66t04l1EPa0CoL1o4CEHlZdYpXhPmAIOdFJbrwp/Qv0CxeMqKHHgMgo 9/DKNi3D9vK2PqZSH8VgnXCee8a4Cla5bQ2gQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.21 with SMTP id e21mr5472972rvi.53.1264628660837; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:20 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f1570d3aebb2019 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b60b3ed3da4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn > Hi Gary > > > > Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. > > > > I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing > > With best regards > > > > *Jim* > > Dr. James Cowburn > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > > *The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not > read this message. > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not > intended to be contractually binding. > If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the > message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. > *** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Gary - G4WGT > *Sent:* 27 January 2010 21:03 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > > > > Rik, & Andy, > > > > Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. > > > > Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the > text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. > > > > If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short > period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so > in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. > > > > Let me know. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > > > > Gary, > > > > solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. > > But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. > > Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > LF, > > > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > > > > --000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decode= r is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB= may bring you up.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

Hi Gary

=A0

Just got two dec= odes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

=A0

I have replied= with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regard= s

=A0

Jim

=A0Dr. James Cowburn

E <= font size=3D"2">james.cowburn@virgin.net

=A0=

The information transmitted is inte= nded only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privile= ged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified= that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other tha= n the intended recipient is prohibited.=A0 Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.

=A0

Rik, & Andy,

=A0

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy= for answering Rik's query.

=A0

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call= so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afi= eld.

=A0

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce= the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment= so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

=A0

Let me know.

=A0

73, Gary - G4WGT -= IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but ma= y contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;

=A0

Gary<= /font>,

=A0

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.<= /font>

But the signal is clearly audible, CW wo= uld be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A pr= oduces a usable decoding ?

=A0

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 janu= ari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A=

LF,

=A0

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial fre= quency 502.300 kHz USB.

=A0

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

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--0016363b9cac11af63047d08f7bb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5ef14b45c84397; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:40:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D85A4380000F5; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqiU-0001bb-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqiU-0001bS-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqiS-0003fr-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 17207 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 11:39:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QdhF4QGOsP8SDzYryF+oPxaR4TJ/4Yatz9j/t0NC1gIr/NoOEjhuJSGzRyihHuap/7GjI5eqxqebRyyfqV3DO7hFUTd0GLZRtxygzDQwlGdKuEycMWtEQxByHOtzGJ8DhWfopoplNvd1+4e5YQAmgo7PRy2YbnR+aVTyhl3P5PQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 11:39:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: QbkiEBkVM1mE3HUWW6_7GbJTQKWcGwUWP.jcZczC5iCwf.AjLHr9efzXG9d3KS2N.rmMTTGAYKS_K12Z6JOCBbF4KsPqSC277aPZJMeDylnEF9mIQLhmHT51O9yJPMtznmrjhb33dGQYD8sLh0xp.fj7WdDFza9UcDFS.RfLSC10sXUbgsANy2zI2S.SnKPGGbicEj5.70DoaAZNWxYavu85p95ZvnTn1nCdaqP.FhqNoeo1frKPdvKdfOlvBH4QK1hJN38OAsQ3eh9.yg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:39:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b45c8414478 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the actual "12th test" message probably just means something between the 11th test and the 13th test ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > MF grp > This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to > some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if > someone > thinks it is NE from EU. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9a64b5b6a1c19; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b5b6a1c19; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnWE-0008Vq-F2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnWE-0008Vh-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:46 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnWC-0008FM-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:45 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100123212738.XVQS4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:38 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnW6-00025O-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:38 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqcRm682sHRpbOGQYS7YOmuGzrN9AALEz3Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=p8ex0WKpL7wA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=hoYmPXBU4_V_-4OqqMAA:9 a=A2n4H9n4KAGN-TZSt_8A:7 a=6C5nkvmx1BL7j2OPNIHkgPElCWwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=pN4LrjuOzzbDUXRhqJUA:7 a=eKAQWY8m42hhtS1gVCrUpozFCAYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry but my appliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn't transmiited! I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn Sent: 23 January 2010 16:09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry but my ap= pliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn’t transmiited!   I am now se= nding and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of J= ames Cowburn
Sent: 23 January 2010= 16:09
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: G7NKS tran= smitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial

 

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4   50= 2.3  dial

------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5a84b56256a186; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG023-5a84b56256a186; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLhp-0003w8-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLhp-0003vz-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLhl-0000Ni-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4698249pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8Kul+2T1Bl8qI1IS9F7lLTWStOzzGaCeogFAynxp00o=; b=HYlzTf34o9uz75IC80eIJABxmx3pb/Q59kC2BAFy/4nLJEbnDr1yWx8XafgAviknQ/ r5SwnpaJL1Z3cDK7JGe69gbyJcLCbKj+Xy3iFrvqrOHMfwazA7pQP7gbgDjRUPNUBnRK 7vI4EmY1exIjUzyLoHwBxc2eqJ1HGizjL2mDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=o25bs4GYAqE7IBDIxcJlQzAlxs0TP0Id7bR3r8J7iWjX8Y0BnldtvFMWTJB5bnXOJe UYGLYAjN0jhi6ElFNL9bOau9t9vLIZt6BXKVn9VKvWefZ0K/StfO9PmiIRQMj6gm3pV1 N6ca6H0I93jTqmGStl5POIvVOy/CPgZLsxSJo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.12 with SMTP id p12mr2836329rvi.269.1263936814331; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:34 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: acc6fba03cccd18c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m204.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Andy, Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand. Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character format which can be used (transmitted)?? I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time. 73 Gary. 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 > characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and > the WSJT documantation > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >> >> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>> >>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>> >>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>> >>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>> >>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Gary >>> Just received: >>> >>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> >>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy,

Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partial= ly understand.

Does it mean that the other JT4 mo= des are different in the character format which can be used (transmitted)?= ?

I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean= time.

73

Gary.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.= com>
In its plain=A0text mode which you= have used, it can cope with just 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://w= ww.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documant= ation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight= I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation= is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



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--000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-5ea94b5d946b163; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:54:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3FDB2380000EC; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZOQh-0004i6-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZOQh-0004hx-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZOQe-000841-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:52:24 +0100 Message-ID: <989EC519816046A693C93ECEADE046E3@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:52:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 12:52:25.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E219B10:01CA9DBD] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5d946a2ba9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Roelof,bedankt voor je bericht,helmaal begrepen, 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg > Hello Henny, > > I see on your sceenshot that BL-410 has an extra "E". > This indicates that it is operating on its back up transmitter. > > All NDB's have a back up transmitter that automatically is switched on > when the main transmitter develops a fault. > > Monitoring stations will spot the "E" and have some maintenance personel > directed to the transmitter site. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-85fe4b3f40b9e1; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:48:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB69C38001CC8; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR3Jb-0003wU-1A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR3Ja-0003wL-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:42 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR3JY-0005uX-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:42 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F37A91C0008C for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E65171C0008D for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.88.133]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 615F71C0008C for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100102124234398.615F71C0008C@mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <03F7926EAFFA41FF9A53636866EA7B41@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:42:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b3f3f8f3a24 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: M. Sanders=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl=20 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet publi= shed the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Dutc= h Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector= that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting= in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs= VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegan= g tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effec= ten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de ra= ndvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz ba= nd. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale= voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moete= n hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collec= tieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inho= ud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de vereniging= en nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaar= den voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddel= s met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de vereniging= en verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen= individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend= via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

From: M. Sanders
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch= Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for th= e 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the mos= t recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all t= heir=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about th= e process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to participate&nb= sp;in the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have already been pr= ocessed by=20 the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF inte= rested parties=20 via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recor= ded=20 below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still=  be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, tra= nsmitting=20 on an frequency band without official permission. It looks like= it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publication= s have=20 been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA ha= ve=20 informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participa= tion to=20 the experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date= =20 somewhere in the future will be in order, and not= legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of= 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atl= antic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio pi= racy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=  his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz vo= or=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober= 2009 zijn=20 afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen= zullen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieb= and in=20 relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld= voor de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nat= ionale=20 voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten= hiervoor=20 een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunne= n=20 uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunni= ng aan bij=20 Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co= =F6rdinator=20 voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoerin= g van het=20 experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergu= nninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de= uitvoering=20 van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informere= n hoe zij=20 in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom= niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze= =20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 201= 0 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.<= /DIV>

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>
I just worked= PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T




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Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:52:25 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:52:16 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi LF Oops.. my beacon on PA-grabber http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html Dmitry ra3yo From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-8e64b4508a720f; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b4508a720f; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:03:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdxR-0000Mi-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:02:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdxQ-0000MZ-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:02:24 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdxO-0002Is-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, Here it is maximum RST 329 and strong long QSB. 73 Andrey > Here it is 559 with remarkable little qsb. > Sounds almost like local. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Albert : > >> Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, >> >> Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the >> north east. >> >> 73, Albert PA0A >> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b5c889a15f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:51:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81CFD380001D9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6bT-00087u-5t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6bS-00087l-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6bQ-0001BP-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from [84.42.76.65] (port=56542 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZ6bK-000GsC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:18 +0300 Message-ID: <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:10 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: YO 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b5c889658f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) HI Henny, On capture UA3PW (PW) and RA3YO (Y) 73! Dmitry henny van elst wrote: > Hi LF, > Capture ra3yo > henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > YO 24-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-862c4b40edfd1ed; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:20:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7FCC638000C66; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVu4-0004Vg-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVu4-0004VX-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVu2-0001dc-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o03EQiWk010584 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:26:44 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:14:13 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:14:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: DK7FC DFCW Thread-Index: AcqMhOQHoW716yj6RUaCt2N+CwWI0AAIqfVE References: <1837247464.20100103145118@dx.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.657;03.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.3.190317 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA8.EFA6EE93" Subject: LF: AW: DK7FC DFCW X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b40ecc9160d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA8.EFA6EE93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed and mni tnx for the picture!!!! That is the maximal distance from wh= ich i have got a RX rprt!! (2233km). And just in DFCW3 ;-)=20 =20 Sorry Ed, in the afternoon the wind was very unstable and so i had no chan= ce to do a QSO. I had the clearest RX SNR ever and saw the first time, tha= t the background noise is rising in the evening (no local QRM but rather= band opening, so QRN). =20 Let's try it next weekend (if there is wind, but it will be ;-) ). I am su= re, we will get the QSO! =20 I already have received your signals in 2003 with O, so looking forward :-= ) =20 73 and gd dx!! =20 Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Ed RU6LA Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: DK7FC DFCW DK7FC now I'll be QRV abt 20min ago 73! 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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all LF Operators. The Seasons Greetings to all LF Operators worldwide.=20 I hope to be on 500kHz more often in 2010, local broadband conditions= permitting, my QTH is about 3km from the serving exchange, due to the= high line attenuation there are no broadband carriers above 500kHz,= giving the broadband signal a marginal S/N, thus allowing me to opera= te with 100mW ERP only during unsocial hours. 73s. Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all LF Operators.
The Seasons Greetings to all LF Opera= tors=20 worldwide.
 
I hope to be on 500kHz more often in= 2010, local=20 broadband conditions permitting, my QTH is about 3km from the serving= exchange,=20 due to the high line attenuation there are no broadband carriers above= 500kHz,=20 giving the broadband signal a marginal S/N, thus allowing me to operat= e with=20 100mW ERP only during unsocial hours.
 
73s.
Ken
 
M0KHW
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b50ab1733a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 145ED3800008C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqJW-0002m7-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqJW-0002ly-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from smtp826.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqJS-0001A8-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 57138 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zVlDs6y54C0hzgEo4jJN+fcy/vE4E6qtWgGLIGKQzoV0i4rFpNsNlQVGzDc/csJ3XJcZcsGo8PNfkwfpzJCR8uH2bKTlAQe8244PEhaefnuSrlGUO3prkNFjScQSPHQOtevYiNPtZRbPJcYsyODO5XkAVhTyz2hYxzeI6VIOOxE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp826.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: HNUzHL0VM1lFBNzRckyrBTXPh90qt6QvjsjDxUCdHaFpzi1SkqPrgTCcbdfFlEJsHYyvqqVLOg27bQ9v4k2Ql7SeLHFlXUYSbbEPaJx0JHPGiS5bEp0bnamYvy1pnk.flLZuomyMvlAEDA.VnG1QTdFW9LSi7bWHL6B1iX7X38a6Kf12ocmd3r9y_gSAuRYhUpO8DONMNayHhYc6p.xFONgrEScXG6g145AxNnOts0TSmw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b50ab1504b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, Nothing unusual visible/audible here... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.223]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-a97c4b3facf490; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:30:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3462C3800017E; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAbg-0006hR-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAbf-0006hH-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:51 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAbe-0007zD-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:51 +0000 Received: from COL122-W53 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:29:43 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 20:29:44.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[518FB0E0:01CA8BEA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_" Subject: LF: IK1HSS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b3facf05881 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IK1HSS is on 137.725, mode DFCW3 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. 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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly= . Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.76]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b6218bdf9; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B131B38000108; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NadRJ-0004NL-7e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NadRI-0004NC-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:16 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NadRG-00037W-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:16 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9566F20000065 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.3.148.9]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BBB220000059 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B621864.3030501@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:12 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b6218bb5c5d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Rik, James,LF group it is going to be long.... sorry... Some time ago Jim, G7NKS began a new topic on this reflector. it was about a link budget for wspr at given distance. Recently, Rik, ON7YD has made a nice thing i.e. comparing reception levels of three stations using a 'small statistics' - that is exactly what wspr stands for. investigations of propagation paths, limits etc... Being 'triggered' by these two mails and , additionaly, by a phrase 'mill' used by Rik which translated into polish sounds very much like my surname ( Mlynarski) Mlyn=mill :) I started to think about the estimate of an effective electric field 'felt' by RX station. Later, I will use Rik's collected data as numerical example. Due to the enormous and variable noise at my qth my reception data is not appropriate and lacks some stations. I like to do such 'guesstimates' almost from the scratch, so let me start from the 'basics' i.e. classical electrodynamics which states that in a free space the power P radiated by an isotropic antenna in a distance R has its density: D=P/(4*pi*R*R). On the other hand, the mean magnitude of a Poynting vector (D) can be expressed by an electric field: D = E*E/(2*120*pi) ( 120pi = 377ohm=impedance of a free space) Combining these two one gets that the amplitude of an electric field E equals: E = sqrt(60*P)/R. if R is in [km] then E is expressed in miliVolts/metr, P is in Watts. I assume that we are dealing with a short vertical monopole so following Rik's explanations ( veeery useful post to the reflector! ) its directivity gain is 3 but as the power in wspr reports is given as ERP power so it must be multiplied by a factor of 1.64 in order to replace power P (isotropic) in the last formula by ERP*1.64 , where "ERP" is the reported erp power. Also, we can multiply E by 0.707 to get the effective signal strength E(eff): E(eff) = 0.707*sqrt(60*ERP*1.64)/R I focus ONLY on the ionospheric propagation and 1 hop. At the night, the absorption of incoming wave (500kHz) to the ionosphere is really small so , at first approximation, can be simply ommited and we are left now with relatively simple geometric considearations with further assumption that the distance between station a (TX) and station b (RX) is not an earth arc but a straight line, segment. {sure, it can be done more precisely taking into account mean earth radius etc...) The wave is propagating from TX antenna with an elevation(take-off) angle alfa, the reflection takes place in E layer, say, 120 km above earth (H) and the distance between stations a and b is "d". At the RX place we are interested in the vertical component of incoming reflected wave being doubled by reflection from the earth and assumed antenna characteristic is described by a certain function A(theta) {theta= usual notation of one of the angles in spherical coordinate system) In the case of a short vertical monopole: A(theta) = sine(theta) = cosine(alfa) so we have: E(eff) = E(eff)*2*cos(alfa)*cos(alfa) R in formula for E(eff) becomes: sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) and cos(alfa) = d/sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) (in the course of programming it is convenient to multiply E(eff) by 1000 thus getting the values in microVolts/m) The above final formula gives real values of an effective signal strength. It is a 'product' of fundamental physics and simple geometric considerations. Obviously, there is an ample room for improvements but as i am not a radio-comm specialist i just do not know how to make it - some reflection losses, absorption attenuation which both seem to be frequency and (probably) time dependent etc.. Anyway, here comes 'numerical'side.. I took Rik's qth as RX station and the values of erp power as reported in wspr database ( or e-mails) by the TX stations: G4JNT: 420 km and 200 miliWatts of ERP pwr G3ZJO: 411 km 0.2 mW G3XBM: 337 km 1 mW H = 120 km ( the height of reflection point) (have found in literature it is 110-120 km on average) calculated values of E(eff) are: G4JNT: 9.777 microVolt/m G3ZJO: 0.311 G3XBM: 0.711 calculated relative differences of signal strengths: (first, 'left', stations are favored) G4JNT-G3XBM: 22.77 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 29.95 dB G3XBM-G3ZJO: 7.18 dB Now, the same differences made by Rik (night receptions, wspr readouts, averages etc..) G4JNT-G3XBM: 15 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 23 dB G3XBM-G3ZJO: 8 dB In the case of Roger,"Water Pistol", G3XBM and Eddie, "Dripping Tap", G3ZJO theory and experiment are fairly consistent if Andy, "Big Gun", G4JNT had run only 40 mW ERP then his E(eff) would be 4.372 microVolt/m so then the calculated diferences: G4JNT-G3XBM: 15.78 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 22.96 dB (pretty nice matching..) Final conclusion: "Big Gun" shrinks ! :) Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI053-eac84b4b6c871e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:23:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF43C380000A0; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOtt-0004pk-6w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOts-0004pb-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOtp-0003C0-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMGAFP7SktZ8XOf/2dsb2JhbACIJtAahC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="274973181" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.115.159]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 18:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:21:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4b6c80549c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Om Like you suggest two licences A and B Licence A Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate. Licence B Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them. What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall when we had a QSO or heard you. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > frequencies. > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO kinds of ham radio licenses... > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques or experiment old ones, either by building > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where "communication" is to be intended with the > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to talk with other B-licensed persons, usually of > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, or by operating a mechanical switch that > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-85f04b5c2051391; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:26:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 128F0380000F5; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzes-0003lF-Ge for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzes-0003l5-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzeq-0006Yc-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYzem-0006rL-02; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:24 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bpi6huZXQh3tALOnuwVTYoKBBG7ZNq9sqqCzrIqbd7C5U-AQyznsSU9ilWwpivyZvh@[84.147.206.170]) by fwd10.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYzel-1HvjPM0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002501ca9cdf$89d4b8a0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> <00bd01ca9c7a$308f47c0$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bpi6huZXQh3tALOnuwVTYoKBBG7ZNq9sqqCzrIqbd7C5U-AQyznsSU9ilWwpivyZvh X-TOI-MSGID: 23c8a811-fd44-45c6-b19b-962ad3c840ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5c204f4522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marcin, thanks for your reports. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPR > Hello Walter > Your signal on WSPR mode: > > 2108 -24 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2118 -24 1.1 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2124 -26 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2126 -25 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2134 -24 1.0 0.505089 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > > Dear MF, > DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, > QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. > Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very Old > Man ). Tubes ECH81=6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=6BX6 as amplifier, > xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state > amplifier. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b3f1413329; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16AA938000095; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Ph-0003Nf-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Ph-0003NW-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR0Pf-0005FI-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUEAJiiPktZ8rFi/2dsb2JhbACCF4sqBsNQhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,488,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="401634819" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.242.177.98]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 09:36:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca8b8f$1736c510$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:36:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b3f141265d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Strong signals from PA0A, PA0B, PA0C recently and over XMAS strong sig= nals from PAT, TEST XMAS, IBHE, MGY. Band acty seems to be improving. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet pub= lished the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Du= tch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflect= or that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, startin= g in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateu= rs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toeg= ang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de eff= ecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de= randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz= band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nation= ale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen mo= eten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een coll= ectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de in= houd van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigi= ngen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwa= arden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidd= els met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigi= ngen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunne= n individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunne= n komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500= kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beke= nd via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Strong signals from PA0A, PA0B, PA0C= recently and=20 over XMAS strong signals from PAT, TEST XMAS, IBHE, MGY. Band acty see= ms to be=20 improving.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 1:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dut= ch Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the= most recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all = ;their=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about= the=20 process. It is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs = ;have=20 already been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF in= terested=20 parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the=20 one recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy'=  by=20 the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial=20 permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QS= O with PA=20 on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom= =20 Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio= Amateurs=20 in writing about their participation to the experiments tr= ansmitting=20 on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future = ;will=20 be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after= the=20 fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history= of 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio= piracy'=20 but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented= him=20 on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the= tendency to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz= voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktob= er 2009=20 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De veren= igingen=20 zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze=20 frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 201= 2 zijn=20 voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek wo= rden=20 ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012= (NVC). De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap=20 Telecom.

Om=20 het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collect= ieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud= van de=20 aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog= overleg met=20 de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvr= aag en de=20 uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA=20 besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor= de=20 uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamate= urs=20 informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelnam= e aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telec= om niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via de= ze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Friday, January 01,= 2010 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 50= 0kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you= .

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <= Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals.

73,= Rik=20  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-9044b4de65a14f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:27:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD054-9044b4de65a14f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:27:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV56y-0003vk-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV56y-0003vb-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV56w-0000k6-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 7895 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 15:26:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Vf2QSt61xgATX5NZ6I9VEw7CyH16OdXrd2ZhTqPzrXAdcI/fi8/ULZN6YbedPeBPhq2maU/9y2ztmbwlF6uDiLrjmxRC/ZFYl37v2k8NpJjc48pMK7UCMzJHJn2QGbG9eO6SKUeVbfss1942+ZaCgqcIwpH3oCOM0o5C+lynh3o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 15:26:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 9zxst8kVM1kO5StaWftR9qxAM3gDC_EhgizVA_mpcP53vmeKqvTmRMC0nrHXczaCYGD9gSdjDUxdqZcXvYizfyZNr5WvPUECH5jvDbu1bOea3CWh7L234IjkK93lZyESBRxhtMdOVYEUoN71rgepvjgNMdkYuT5tOSw0s4o53Z2ujfE6zWjG0Moxg15fYFnHxA6zdZDLyhQR0VLMCSoUlV_02ezWiNkpR1SmzVjg5nWB3Xk9N9B9RlTnZJu7C.EAEfQTJk_3aIY62Z2uXQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less when the tank circuit is resonant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characteristics like in class E mal/g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI064-eacd4b58cca416e; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:52:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 60462380000CF; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4wI-0007yn-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4wI-0007ye-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4wG-0000bg-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so550525fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:51:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ahbwV607+zOnk08D5KNHw8knzBLv0OV4z9ygf58f17s=; b=SNw+aeuAH3dubg+uY3NbBAbkzyUYVz/vNa3Il+iySzlDr+3GdBszlED+L4V1R8oJIp OZVFK3A0gtz0U4e56CWk/E8G4yiYeftrhCrdWfsm2ZQ0q2kjdqk3ACcqta84RLr3cIBl NCsr5EZaj4ujQW/+16zQPaTKMV/jwufRvnn5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lH+gVXwWX9MbpqozRATH3FoDdlOkWYCtp9misQUhsnuELumt/13xqcGwr+tH3s7ihX KHD7v7edkirTXdSpvyzpMVXmwbcLnmqSgMDQeFHNQ60LgzIjc+GOyG8/3RuogP0qoPYz e6y+Pz5dhK4Nb7mw2VD0r7nuJwMU5UR7cCyHY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.84 with SMTP id 20mr226115hby.147.1264110693175; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:51:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:33 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b58cca245a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not B...G. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > Andy, > > You wrote :- > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. > > Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always > within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those > figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified > in the manual. > > There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in > the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is > that of any help to me? > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>> >>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>> replies. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.







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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b5c28f47548 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message got bounced the first time...too big... -----Original Message----- From: Dave G3WCB [mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com] Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes ! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters - saves on bandwidth and heat :-) ) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message got bounced the first time...too big...
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave= G3WCB=20 [mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 24 January 2010= =20 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject:= QRP'p=20 500KHz from an Altoids tin - <report>

Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I=20 think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here=20 is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SP= M-30 with=20 a 24 Hz IF bandwidth
 
By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid= QRSS-DFCW signal, which=20 contains elements of both modes&= nbsp;!  
 
(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashe= s on a single frequency, and=20 drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. Wit= h Double=20 frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and spac= e=20 frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters  - saves on bandwidth and heat :-)=20 ) 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England
 
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a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZyrPyom3X/3WkV4RaDhAKb98Qp01SzM+4YhrOIQ6B3rvOpNflwqskBGEjJovBWGCjH m+RKAgl9cbup7Zy7LhK8IYYrVmSyvFnQICsXv7ZbLfgiMfCySYUYg0fexkpFkKY0iTXC NPl1lSCDLlyj6nKPZo+3lgASZsMpAtKsxxJe4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.138 with SMTP id h10mr1451495bkd.197.1263575946293; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:19:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:19:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b50a3cf68a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton > Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some > ones WSPR gone wrong?? > > G3KEV > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.

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Hi All,
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Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpaJ-0007Uw-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:15:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEABmjQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPwbGeYQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="259591125" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 16:14:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004401ca8d59$0431aa90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRV MF/LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b42144c6aea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QRV on 502.6 kcs CW QTR 1612 Z also 137.7 kcs CW and QRS 3=20 De mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Now QRV on 502.6= kcs=20 CW  QTR 1612 Z also 137.7 kcs CW and QRS 3
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME102-9d64b467a4c174; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME092-9d64b467a4c174; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:20:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT2ZH-0003fs-Jb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT2ZH-0003fj-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT2ZF-0000Zn-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAMMIRktOlmvr/2dsb2JhbACIJ8w/hC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,238,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="414630048" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.107.235]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2010 00:18:58 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over Europe. Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5b64b5c195b3e3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:56:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG037-5b64b5c195b3e3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:56:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzBw-0003I7-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzBv-0003Hy-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:35 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzBt-0006Lc-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 69857 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 09:55:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=Dvp0rLdxEfx2QIp2Aqs/TzZqjgyR/kUX5VOnkD0oVhfWD6B0CkVgl2RhcV9ud/lM+HOJM/8lbaE+NqZNZVf3Bj/l+bsDEkNK5lmlFnJDhokcDN6IwPbHXMYECWS+MlOtjCFloFaRYm4PzoElVCR7VQKADtlEno6DB8wJVtVvxT0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.119 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 09:55:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: T7GevKMVM1lRDnWR0ZpWw92ha3es6COL_suu0nVnsyyS5zqcCHI1zn2oDLiMiZQXmdl_Fte6CuCpsHQsJ86kiEy2erde62qINBgCA6H9QOYnH5yw3hJbYC3GpyZ2ot88x9B7gJyDQznqClzVjrJzj_gBf_30pjGgZAcSuna3acsgTEZbrQ3tdva0vGbcjkwQUoyoeUFcwmhvGqabFTwO0YcS4IBhecmwwRpRsxnphUoAKgVAzdg0rmJsY0bjVS6f5CCnIbS4S_DjrE5LYIe9Ai1QmUer_g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Eddie. I'll put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception. 73, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
I'll=20 put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve=20 reception.
 
73,=20 Dave
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz= Altoids=20 MEPT on

Hi=20 Dave

=  

Thanks= for the Grab,=20 yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirm= ation but=20 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for= =20 dinner.

=  

I will= give it=20 another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only= around=20 200mW .

=  

73

=  

Eddie=20 G3ZJO

=  

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Dave=20 G3WCB
Sent: 23 Ja= nuary 2010=20 20:39
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT=20 on

=  

Well,=20 Eddie,

=  

I think=20 I saw =  

73, Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM

=  

=  

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:<= /B>=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: knightsqrss@cnts.= be;=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids= MEPT=20 on

I have=20 my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver –= PA – Keyer),=20  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

 

Frequency=20 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3=20 FSK

 

Power=20 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total=20 current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

 

ERP=20 >=3D 1mWatt

 

All=20 reports very welcome

 

E= ddie=20 G3ZJO

=  

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94b5b513916d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:42:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B65C438000060; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlrf-0007dS-Jb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlrf-0007dJ-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYlra-0007ey-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B851F13C81B2C for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.67.247] (helo=mo77) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NYlrS-0003ZY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:34 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:33 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1941826499.20100123204133@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19FFdkFjmhsiCdzAZGS/CjzRx2mfnuSQhJlPwgI XOFz/4IHfrFyYQKDf89cQa09SN49Edsd1J+sGDoZu3TmOpEhMD 1v20fEJSCVwlszJbgneg== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 2010 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks and CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b5b51370e76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi all, The 2010 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks and CDs is now available. The new ENDBH 2010 contains the data of more than 6700 NDBs on 160+ spiral-bound pages in A4 format and the NANDBH 2010 shows the data of more than 5800 NDBs on 130+ pages. The CD contains a Google Earth compatible NDB waypoint file that has been updated with the latest NDB coordinates so that you can "visit" NDB locations around the globe. The multimedia contents of the CD version have been expanded to a total of more than 170 NDB pictures and more than 230 NDB sound clips from around the world. In case you're interested in ordering a handbook or CD for other parts of the world please don't hesitate to ask, I'm able to produce customized versions for your special needs. Delivery of the CDs will be via download. In case you still want a physical copy of the CD please indicate this when ordering. Prices in Euro remained stable once again and foreign currency prices have been adjusted per the latest exchange rates. 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Please find all relevant details at the following URL: http://www.4shared.com/file/205366016/74eceb97/2010_NDB_info.html Once again I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all DXers who have sent me comments and updates, suggested improvements, pointed out errors, or provided NDB pictures and sound clips etc. Your continued support is very much appreciated! -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b5b5e8448; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4729938000085; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmkJ-0007tO-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmkJ-0007tF-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmkF-0005aD-QQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 20:38:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=3Ke1vn+CgVsAVcCJ9rN8TUCMSzBfrFUPDaPAwPQYgrrpCf2MX6LwXdJ7jqtjJIW6n73lpsyF7AsMwZRlgiGcsA2F+I7FIz824OKmzxDkpUxb5+PQ9+8959jNrL0xa+W5RNtogniS3Dxi440OULmGRgv0PZGDdPNuyEXYco6NMuE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.126.235 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:38:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: RC6kuI0VM1kOn1F9uH6rn4RIQhrvqqgwzGz3NTxYUhQhLaVmWtta3DhDbFK7S0j7FFr3S9.6sSjk_n7gFULnbgpWHL5vxUVpiBAaK76s3AdB0LFYNpTknqVEESyKg37a1BUJvxNafasRtrs1E5x7c3CiSrLsX.rRPpubTh3k.bEMFo69L_71lY.lFrRV17DS2GTWfsFnpFMAhzTsXI3NkCkLJZRufQHoC2Up0SHaZtHMeEfyZ2UNNlUQ.hHw.1ddIbGl1jxo3uYr4y5JQxcLWDrPshpMtg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:31 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000301ca9c33$cd2c0600$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9C6C.06C07E40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5b5e827f15 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9C6C.06C07E40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well,=20 Eddie,
 
I=20 think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only= using a=20 miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500= =20 kHz.
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56
To:=20 knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org;=20 GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT=20 on

I have= my QRPp=20 Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA –= ; Keyer),  500KHz=20 MEPT on now for a few hours.

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Frequen= cy=20 503.22KHz

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Modulat= ion QRSS3=20 FSK

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Power= 500mW at 50=20 Ohms

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Total= current=20 consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

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Antenna= 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

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ERP >= ;=3D=20 1mWatt

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All rep= orts very=20 welcome

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Eddie=20 G3ZJO

 

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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b503768048b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos, Keep looking for *G3XBM* please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms. 73s Roger 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello OM=B4s! > I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and than I watched > WSPR station around sunrise in OK: > > 0458 -20 -1.3 0.503943 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0500 -26 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0500 -17 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0502 -21 -1.1 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0506 -22 -1.3 0.503949 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0508 -27 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0510 -26 -1.3 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0512 -23 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0514 -27 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0514 -29 -1.3 0.503950 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0518 -23 -1.2 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0520 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0522 -27 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0524 -13 2.0 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0526 -28 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0528 -12 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0530 -24 -1.0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0534 -27 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0536 -29 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0536 -26 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0538 -24 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0540 -25 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0544 -24 -1.1 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0546 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0550 -29 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0556 -19 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0600 -26 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0600 -14 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0602 -26 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0608 -15 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0608 -19 -1.2 0.503941 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0616 -12 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0620 -19 2.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0620 -24 -1.2 0.503942 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0624 -26 -1.3 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0626 -21 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0656 -23 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0700 -23 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0704 -21 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0712 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0720 -13 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0724 -22 0.0 0.503899 1 PA0A JO33 37 > 0728 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0734 -16 0.1 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0740 -19 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0744 -19 0.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0750 -25 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten > prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are= >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only= running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG &l= t;bvgbob@hotmail.com><= br>
Hello OM=B4s!
I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and= than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK:

0458 -20 -1.3=A0= =A0 0.503943=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0500 -26=A0 0.4=A0=A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4J= NT IO90 23
0500 -17=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0502 -21 -1.1=A0=A0= 0.503948=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0506 -22 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503949=A0 0 LA3EQ JO= 28 23
0508 -27=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0510 -26 -1= .3=A0=A0 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23
0512 -23=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0514 -27=A0 0.4=A0= =A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0514 -29 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503950=A0 1 LA3EQ= JO28 23
0518 -23 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0520 -14=A0= 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0522 -27 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0524 -13=A0 2.0=A0=A0 0.5= 03924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0526 -28 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503952=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28= 23
0528 -12=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0530 -24 -1.0= =A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0534 -27 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503952=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0536 -29=A0 0.3=A0=A0= 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0536 -26=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ= JO57 27
0538 -24 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0540 -25=A0= 2.2=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0544 -24 -1.1=A0=A0 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23
0546 -14=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.5= 03924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0550 -29 -1.1=A0=A0 0.503942=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28= 23
0556 -19=A0 2.2=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0600 -26=A0= 0.3=A0=A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0600 -14=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0602 -26 -1.1=A0=A0= 0.503942=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0608 -15=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ= JO57 27
0608 -19 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503941=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0616 -12=A0= 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -19=A0 2.4=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -24 -1.2=A0=A0= 0.503942=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0624 -26 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503948=A0 0 LA3EQ JO= 28 23
0626 -21=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0656 -23=A0= 0.0=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0700 -23=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0704 -21=A0 0.0=A0=A0= 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0712 -16=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO= 33 37
0720 -13=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0724 -22=A0= 0.0=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 1 PA0A JO33 37
0728 -16=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0= 0 PA0A JO33 37
0734 -16=A0 0.1=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0740 -19=A0 0.3=A0=A0= 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0744 -19=A0 0.4=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO= 33 37
0750 -25=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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--00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5ee64b4f3cd9155; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:48:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B346038000040; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVRuR-0000Ao-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVRuQ-0000Af-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:54 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVRuO-0001o8-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:54 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAELLTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACNZAbLJoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="310393773" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 15:46:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:45:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b4f3cd72454 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V desig= n, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-86504b5b689395; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F36F38000046; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnPd-0008Qu-Sp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnPc-0008Ql-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:56 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnPZ-0005qR-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:56 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1859336bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ydC8UlQAM0Lsem9McpxXYzcz+GHktDH5APD/694Q3UM=; b=HDCNmFV/Dyze9BDBK6SAe8cCzVTjrY1SNQrYe18k2SB3tDBIzBP39sNpTxDnQvfjv5 EhJ3fTU1ORzz898vOAH1TFBTi5Ps8wvShvi96hrSttvOCnX816ysHGN8phGOdozUAOXf gHtBKf+jpo9hH52jQYaqtvOOk+zBiSXqpLpFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=H27g10nLLI0cATjn8CWyq6NGAQdoxy1v477xZMlGYAISWbqblh1x/qzFFojt0jJ4Ts 1IJD22hCp6NiB17S6iRWcHXwLMwtknwnFRMyJVMC5z6B5TjqdhfModlDVDJ7ye42HiqD DYRtUvZtwEt8K5JsCtnRd+LHkKEO1y2frypAA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.17 with SMTP id f17mr170079bkd.95.1264281646894; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:20:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:46 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231320g61fcb813t23d0163ee097b5ad@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555271675920f047ddb8283 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b5b68921491 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555271675920f047ddb8283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you're happy to use a PC with all its complexity to see the trace then Mal. What an APPLIANCE operator you are! 73s (and said in fun only) Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 21:07, mal hamilton wrote: > There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS > because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has > never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace > is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted > message. > > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Mal, > > There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I > expect, JT4A will get through when signals are *extremely* weak when CW > simply would not. > > Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and > see how you get on? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: > >> Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from >> others although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not >> onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs >> or cw in the first place. >> Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies >> alias Appliance operators >> The word is ill-informedtry >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >> >> Mal informed. >> >> On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier >>> been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right >>> circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. >>> There are several traces now visible but only an odd >>> decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. >>> These signals are audible with me. >>> >>> >>> >>> g3kev >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >>> >>> Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not >>> getting any decodes yet. >>> >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: >>> >>>> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed >>>> for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit >>>> antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as >>>> my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >>>> >>>> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will >>>> put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has >>>> more to offer anyway. >>>> >>>> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a >>>> bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in >>>> S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth >>>> difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The >>>> differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error >>>> correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same >>>> algorithm. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>>>> >>>>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>>>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>>>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>>>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>>>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>>>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>>>> >>>>> 73s >>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>>>> get it going is in there. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>>>> >>>>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, >>>>>> but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>>>> >>>>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>>>> >>>>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, >>>>>> the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org >>>>>> and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before >>>>>> long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer >>>>>> provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>>>> >>>>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health >>>>>> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to >>>>>> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" >>>>>>> guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73s >>>>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555271675920f047ddb8283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So you're happy to use a PC with all its complexity to see the trace= then Mal. What an APPLIANCE operator you are!=A0

73s (and said in= fun only)
Roger G3XBM

On 23 January= 2010 21:07, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
There cannot be a time when JT4 or WS= PR will be=20 received and not QRS because the trace is always visible long before a dat= a=20 decode. There has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decod= e. The=20 signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the=20 transmitted message.
=A0
G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true, bu= t=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not.=A0

Here's an= idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get= on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes=A0from others=A0although the signals are visible, like I said= =20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complic= ate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /font>
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% wi= thout=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need= for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with=20 me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but= =20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon cod= e is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier,= which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0= And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear= one -=20 enough said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code chang= ing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer=20 anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are al= l=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the= added=20 error correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and th= ey=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lap= thorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha= nks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at= =20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks li= ke=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peopl= e like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be= =20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this= =20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Ta= lbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was= never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is=20 now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular and documented code,= =20 being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432=20 /=A01296MHz,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'=A0=A0 If you downlo= ad and=20 read the WSJT=A0users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is in= =20 there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wo= rse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being= =20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making= it=20 usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I'= ;ve=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively= on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascer= tain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight= =20 PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider,= needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user=20 friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= =20 something for use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced varient of=20 them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=A0= and=20 in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to =A0enhance the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condition= s=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone sp= acing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scatt= ered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4= G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0=20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.bi= z/gm4cxm/id14.html=A0=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode= to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing= =20 information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= =20 503.7/503.85 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by= =20 reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest,= =20 bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type"= ;=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety= =20 police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to=20 health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and po= lar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is simi= lar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the= past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me= in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies"= guide, or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/<= br>http://www.g3xbm.= co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/=
http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
h= ttp://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088


--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088



--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088



--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555271675920f047ddb8283-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c54b4c53344f; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:47:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c54b4c53344f; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:47:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeGb-0008Cs-9N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeGa-0008Cj-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:28 +0000 Received: from relay4.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeGY-0007nN-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.163) by relay4 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3593 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.95.1 X-Scan-Status: AV clean (0.01489 seconds); AS clean (2.11053 seconds); Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.122]) (brian.rogerson@sapo.pt@[188.81.99.219]) (envelope-sender ) by mta13 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Jan 2010 10:46:18 -0000 From: Brian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1263293177.2379.6.camel@Slave23> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, LF On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:16 +0000, John P-G wrote: > Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond > its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, > CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information > transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of > "self-training in radio communication". A minor point but a 24 hours continuous transmission of unmodulated, gps disciplined carrier on 137 KHz over 1000Km path (approx) apparently reveals quite interesting data on propagation dependent phase change if received appropriately. > Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5bb4b50bed4158; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:15:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG042-5bb4b50bed4158; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:15:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrcm-0004pH-IX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrcm-0004p7-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrcl-0005we-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from COL122-W2 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:14:16 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:14:16 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 19:14:16.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE3A1030:01CA9616] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! All signals are getting better: 1858 7 0.6 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -16 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1904 -22 -0.4 0.503843 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
All signals are getting better:

1858   7&nbs= p; 0.6   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -16  0.3&nbs= p;  0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1904 -22 -0.4   0.503= 843  0 PA0AM JO11 20

Lubos, OK2BVG
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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.<= /body> =3D --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-8bc94b5b2a6124e; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:57:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01726380000B6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjHU-0006d1-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjHU-0006cr-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjHS-0004VZ-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3310166pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oVbO/q8+5hdh3lYm+9Stea9gobYq4GVuKKJ236xNK4o=; b=vrVHWmWqIWItOitAgI7G3gQKcz7IO/kpefC2Cx6fV9O82t77gwGW+AgH2ViyQGTal6 0sfwINBdhBbqWAI/gb1rJneY5WM0MbgdoqMwHZ0xQFa8t790MbZFL+08v/vlN65sRwVn p8mEETRigYVeTCsis59+Ni58nYjnQgCK4042Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=LWXw3OcOFcbwMVIEEGdn1M7hgM8BTUvLNzEWd/LCd9+lA5yRyAhE9p4SkzXb2APtBY YZptzyvKfgCEHKKh4c/4hBfOM6XX7b8kb1kABMhFTz2/FFwnHEP+RtM6Pto0OtH1mllY knMTfayoPlMI7d85BzXSKCwm8UxJejCceKxBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.56.8 with SMTP id e8mr3110372rva.175.1264265766863; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:06 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 340f904b8c0c1b16 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b5b2a5f7cb7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing seen yet, keep it going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? & USB, it probably is but you didn't state which JT4x. I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as before on 503.600 kHz. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowburn wrote: > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > --001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing see= n yet, keep it going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? &= USB, it probably is but you didn't state which JT4x.

I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as befo= re on 503.600 kHz.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowbur= n <james.= cowburn@virgin.net> wrote:

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4=A0=A0 502.3=A0 dial=


--001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-8ba74b60954630a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8241738000106; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdw-0003t4-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdw-0003sv-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDdt-0005XH-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4027223pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iAJm0UfeW2BK7oqG75L5pozQwAgCVzKkeYDu5skIlpk=; b=c/f0wvtqAyPHROI1jJmm6JrAJ6KHEg+Fzn9C4LTxv9i9yGb6lWkkNzNjNYNgr63TNm VfbUPFTDAD/HFw1z5KfPFB9UjOjVuBzGbtz5sWpPb9uRDNdTv/TG65N/jbkoz0bvvqPn PUW5zXKgvJ6bOMAUY6IRwpG+BaO+mSx/Av9CA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=mKGCrZdRt03gEKXfqAWVM1KRBZxnE1UNoBBlWcepIfhUOpJERNAkKtfKbNhmIiVdl7 73BgUkXQGhjMXmlDAwVZrib8er0et1aj7A1R1jNy6Ew9yZguW4ZzLfM9TAn9ffvgfkuc fYrA4Owex7HLACU2dbkHGqwgPMOh8YgxaZBOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.247.15 with SMTP id u15mr6864467rvh.166.1264620806790; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:26 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 883b9bdcb580cbe9 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b6095421cb0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a1d4b61663434; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:26:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG067-a1d4b61663434; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:25:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaRYB-0001hC-J1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaRYB-0001h3-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaRY9-0004lm-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0SAOP3b017665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:54:25 -0330 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:54:25 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik, Thanks for the report. 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Joe, > > good copy (539) around midnight local time (23 UTC). > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.90]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b538da118e; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:22:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFBFD38000060; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWdUS-0002Lj-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:21:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWdUS-0002La-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b538d9f5ae3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Seems WE2XGR/6 is coming in FB in the EU for those listening. Interesting oddity is that both compound call and locator transmissions are decoded fine by the software, but only transmissions containing the 4 digit locator are being logged on the database. My log contains entries every 2 mins since 21:58utc, but database is only showing spots every 4 mins if you look. WD2XSH/XX seems to be recorded for both transmissions, and the only noticable difference is they use 6 digit locators. Net effect is that you are loosing 50% of the spot data from your current transmissions. 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= =20 All,
 
Seem= s WE2XGR/6 is=20 coming in FB in the EU for those listening.
Inte= resting oddity=20 is that both compound call and locator transmissions are decoded fine= by the=20 software, but only transmissions containing the 4 digit locator&n= bsp;are=20 being logged on the database.
My= log contains=20 entries every 2 mins since 21:58utc, but database is only showing spot= s every 4=20 mins if you look.
 
WD2X= SH/XX seems to=20 be recorded for both transmissions, and the only noticable difference= is they=20 use 6 digit locators.
 
Net= effect is that=20 you are loosing 50% of the spot data from your current=20 transmissions.
 
73,=
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI022-eabb4b4a592612e; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:48:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F70D3800033E; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6Z2-0006SF-Lp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6Z2-0006S6-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6Z0-0005J2-Kx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D42011C00081 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6A8F1C00084 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.23]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 762CC1C00081 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100110224704484.762CC1C00081@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4a59242ce5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Looks like the wire is used from pole to house , has supporting wire= and thinner conductors in a pvc sheath=20 anyone any idea about its suitability for a long wire Ae ? tnx - G .. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GPO/BT Wire  No '10' any use for=   long=20 wire Ae ?
 
Looks like the  wire is used fro= m pole=20 to  house , has supporting wire and thinner conductors in a pvc= sheath=20
 
anyone any idea about  its suita= bility for=20 a  long  wire  Ae ?
 
tnx - G ..


------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD032-8f14b4a61151cf; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:22:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD031-8f14b4a61151cf; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:21:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU75r-0006rX-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU75r-0006rO-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU75p-0001ht-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 48185 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1263165664; bh=gVO3yX2WgCmxwcPPqWE8VBm+l8weGhUw2G8EtbDwHn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vJS0tbrdCwBguekqyNMqVKk5IkbE1r5wpK46T/yjnrDSJUxdbnU5wwcPB4cohe8NZcECNH5GWCb4UB93Nw0pQdoOlizm9rlE7PugOt7iuC+kiM+zAPLWpAj9zbYymB7BG+JFvG7TUZ1h8pLWQh5oe0EZIEXb3SfEaDPk3ZIMEkw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qcK26uQ0yui0tiqNZFuSmf7f7GEecVPOasmEqLqkkfAtbbluDwjr6Fh1XQ/6P03iRQrdflW+emkU/5vNqEcpXt0W3dkNDt1EIuYQQekzF8I8+xgRWWH8iohvYe6y29/S4oT2PRkM3iahBp7kbPobr+MRAzG76tu8/LpgTrLVvXA=; Message-ID: <293775.46128.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ._b64PEVM1kdQW6Lfg1sfvmnmg3FYUgjxVTBWLqxtHooDJYGN5M1r.77oP66xLnkSCbklLhJ3yULLC.yaHnjTtenoeiws8i9mUMQkcYJtgy7REk7.tzAnusswjeKfFzFwTHKz7Oqj33pv5tGmGKreZEhkqmvzuWU632y9VaUJQXe4YFNYiWWwXz.Pfa2qVbN2uh9peuhgAvVWK4jM6CaJFkOsuQQAU69iBSYPEGMsWU8B1OvwY4PJGWZj_36quoV6_KOtRcJamwGi6ZT0zWIKYnnTryOcfFRuJIX0dvoyaBg66w9Ed8CWicBSibuOHT2TII- Received: from [213.122.33.10] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d256.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Graham I believe this is known as "drop-wire" ( I was not actually in= the Telphones area) If so it is a mixture of steel and copper strands, an= d will stand a far longer span that pure copper or even the special alloys= used for rigging professionally. I would say as a top wire it would be fi= ne but use some copper for the vertical section of an L or T where there= is significantly more current flowing than in the top-load. Loss in the= top load doesnt matter too much as this is not really radiating anything= usefully on LF, but is a vital capacitance to ground. Another way of thin= king of it is that by the time the current reaches the top it has already= traversed the Radiation-resistance. (only true for very short aerials!) Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 22:47 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > GPO/BT Wire No > '10' any use for long=20 > wire Ae ? > =20 > Looks like the wire > is used from pole=20 > to house , has supporting wire and thinner conductors > in a pvc sheath=20 >=20 > =20 > anyone any idea > about its suitability for=20 > a long wire Ae ? > =20 > tnx - G .. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5c14b55c8fce3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:00:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b55c8fce3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:00:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXFXx-0001kU-4W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXFXw-0001kL-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:08 +0000 Received: from mx74.mail.ru ([94.100.176.89]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXFXt-0002gI-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:07 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=19660 helo=EFREMOV) by mx74.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NXFXn-000ARP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:58:59 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:57:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA9930.D96F2420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA9930.D96F2420 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Warren, Henny, LF, ..And my modest results... 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a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=EzDJ2dT560G0u8GKkLcA:9 a=mG-MdoWuzAy6tc1G8mMA:7 a=8PHFf5G4JcB7m7YUDM53aZmu2TgA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=GJhCsiFwJrh6W7XF:21 a=KQpVIqDFqN8_AQJ6:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8abNOscc_tovgz8oKogA:9 a=RE0Z3X1C4QJoAI62H-MA:7 a=beryAeJMTaiiQIXooz5EgjiBFEQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b4a29215819 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger I have managed 1020km D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired. TF3 would be great though. 73s Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Roger

 

I have managed= 1020km  D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired.   TF3 would be great though. =

 

73s<= /span>

 

Jim<= /span>

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010= 19:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Certainly GM4SL= V has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he es= timated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signal= s than many others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then= is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Ex= pected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?<= /o:p>

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining &nb= sp;8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capabi= lity as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor= for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards=

 

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:24.0pt; font-family:"Freestyle Script";color:n= avy;font-weight:bold'>Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS<= /span>

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 




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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b744b5431808b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:01:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD046-b744b5431808b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:01:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoPM-0008Fx-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoPL-0008Fo-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWoPJ-0004KA-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:27 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so3940bwz.29 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:00:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0ZjMRrb52mEwGnmpFf3bXX2QPApWPOKfZokV+2hLnSI=; b=G6gOlJDYdZ/o7lqr6XomMeQJvTjyoJrPES0KRHz2Aar4HfgHPPAvs/1TH/k4c8NUQf 7licerAX6LVZNqCf3sKGdVKHPYnI4yQvSrxjjOQt7R1jut2IsRnebzfUy+LSL3aKGb7z b3yoN9LM6SUU9zYGqHbvwbGnXyRKtbbv/KQzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gmcLFE59ZTGcexnZrM5WBD0kPElHxwEWDH4JRcGCuYUFcQgFOFfkVC5j9Nkrr2nY0V KD7yBT0Y6JeRtyYlrOT4Qu7rUy2nQhS5KzovDpFdLbw0VHhdRqBkLfhaoxrvMEtJ0trY WF9tcGZGVb7X5CBzYqywZ/2bUBKnadaHGOfu8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.18 with SMTP id n18mr3304589bkn.152.1263808809869; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:00:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *WE2XGR/6* was a consistent signal here all night long until 0758am local time. At best it reached -14dB with me using just the FT817 and the 5m vertical. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/18 > Some decodes > 0452 -22 -0.3 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0454 -19 -0.3 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0456 -22 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0458 -22 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0500 -22 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0504 -24 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0506 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0508 -24 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0512 -31 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0514 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > > 73 > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net > Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > Rik > > Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > > Jay, > > > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > > Reports via wsprnet.org > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > > > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > >> USB. Some stations will begin > >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > >> Stations may be adjusting their > >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > >> power column. Any and all reports, > >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > >> > >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > >> continue on in WSPR mode > >> instead. > >> > >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WE2XGR/6 was a consistent signal here all night long until 0758am= local time. At best it reached -14dB with me using just the FT817 and the= 5m vertical.

73s
Roger G3XBM

= 2010/1/18 <vic= tor13@online.nl>
Some decodes 0452 -22 -0.3 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0454 -19 -0.3 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0456 -22 -0.6 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0458 -22 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0500 -22 -0.4 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0504 -24 -0.6 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0506 -25 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0508 -24 -0.4 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0512 -31 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0514 -25 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50

73

Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net
Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation


Rik

Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look.

Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation


> Jay,
>
> I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight.<= br> > Reports via wsprnet.= org
>
> 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting "jrusgrove@comc= ast.net" <jrusgrove@c= omcast.net>:
>
>> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0= kHz
>> USB. Some stations will begin
>> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow mornin= g.
>> Stations may be adjusting their
>> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports,
>> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated.
>>
>> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and= will
>> =A0continue on in WSPR mode
>> instead.
>>
>> Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





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--00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD083-b9a4b561f40390; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:08:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD094-b9a4b561f40390; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:08:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLIP-0003fh-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLIP-0003fV-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLIM-0000FW-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2768305pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CpsdShs6SxbEn+NEEQJ+MufFK1QvhhwDMLDpCfjSvbQ=; b=dXl2wJgD9lkIkoDJtnG8vM+T33AjEX47DewO3NOpxKsyesZF7cQArj+VMXeQgL+Qfm Oz+LwGO+AEmY/nube/bNuIjT0rZiIxZQi2QapTnandUX84Ogy0hdqXpy+09RkWl3qiRm LEtM7iMIVxFr4NtQ24POROd+vSHQn5JHU2Sao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=PE0SG6Fk1fYYnjUYRZ4I3p767eNovWC+E3cxGSpeyUNvqkCW2Nz/+P6xJlQajVEm0P 6U2gCJs46t+Lb3Z1EOgAsTtp/f6k/VsKlBGRmEBbnGxAg0SFX0ZEsPKKTx9XTimFT8gF RxICSvF+De0pKFATthparWOtBrW9Y5HIo56Kc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5774939rvm.120.1263935240170; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:20 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9caed2283aa5c737 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191307p3811bafetc6390d8d1b287f3e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Lee, Thanks for the decode, not all the text is being sent although the examples in the guides show up to 22. I am now using a different Tx box but I have just realised that the user guide is for JT65A mode which is faster meaning there is probably a limit of 13 characters in JT4A mode being a slower mode.. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Lee Hudson > Hi Gary, > > 202800 24 -2 1.9 223 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203000 25 -1 1.9 223 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203200 22 -2 1.8 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203400 24 -2 2.0 223 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203600 23 -2 1.9 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 204000 22 -2 1.8 223 29 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Gary - G4WGT > *Sent:* 19 January 2010 19:30 > *To:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Subject:* LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > > Hi All, > > For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. > > The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. > > Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. > > If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & > I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. > > Sorry, no prizes :-(( > > > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/19/10 > 07:34:00 > > --000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lee,

Thanks for the decode, not all the text is bein= g sent although the examples in the guides show up to 22. I am now using= a different Tx box but I have just realised that the user guide is for JT= 65A mode which is faster meaning there is probably a limit of 13 character= s in JT4A mode being a slower mode..

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
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2010/1/19 Lee Hudson &= lt;hudsonville@btinternet.co= m>
Hi=20 Gary,
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202800 24=A0=A0 -2= =A0=20 1.9=A0 223 32 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203000 25=A0=A0 -1=A0 1.9=A0 223 33=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203200 22=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.8=A0 223 30=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203400 24=A0=A0 -2=A0 2.0=A0 223 31=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203600 23=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.9=A0 223 30=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
204000 22=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.8=A0 223 29=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
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From:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 19 January 2010=20 19:30
To: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT=20 JT4A

Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the resu= lts on=20 LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 -=20 Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00


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Thread-Index: AcqccKz+qESdkrljTJ2z7jeh/H5YkAAAbSt5 References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.696;23.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.23.211516 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9C73.34C205E8" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b5b6aa95343 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9C73.34C205E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,=20 Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what= others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What= about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... =20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is= always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted messag= e. =20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, =20 There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I= expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW sim= ply would not. =20 =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 =20 73s Roger G3XBM =20 =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: =20 Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy= visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or= cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: =20 I still see these data signals as a waste of time since ha= d the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decod= e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. =20 =20 =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn = =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A= but I'm not getting any decodes yet. =20 Roger G3XBM =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: =20 After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, wh= ich is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more= importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough sai= d... =20 To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code ch= anging, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. =20 Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, alb= eit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this= bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes.= The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added= error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the sa= me algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com =20 =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: =20 Thanks for this help Andy.=20 =20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz= WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really we= ak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explo= re the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially= would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. =20 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: =20 AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensiv= e use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docu= mented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4= x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you downl= oad and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all= you need to know to get it going is in there. =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT =20 Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in= a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red lig= ht. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used= respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of= a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away= from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as= well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar si= gnalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoi= d being too wide and seems less user friendly. =20 A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest= spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded= with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was,= even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out= to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall,= so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy). =20 There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrb= g.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central= Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow befo= re long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer pr= ovided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming th= e PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5= MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com =20 =20 This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances= hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and pola= r regions =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: =20 Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?= ) reference to JT4A in the help files. 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1NUefw-00006h-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUefu-0005Fb-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncFAM/nS0tOlCMj/2dsb2JhbACIJ811hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,261,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="284944371" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.35.35]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 11:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <005001ca9378$224b4fc0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I use a single ended E pa and it is vy robust. I use a good LPF and the 2nd harmonic is not a problem. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Johan, What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull class E stage when a single stange can do it? I am interested! :-) Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 07:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the > latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel > - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power /per-se/. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a504b4f096f35e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:09:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA018-a504b4f096f35e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:09:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOUp-0007hG-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOUp-0007h7-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVOUm-00008s-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so16460424bwz.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:08:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W1pMwu3YeFdSh/JwrsQ8B2sPPSL7dYIHQUIhEWY00uQ=; b=v5ovyfnwvPxx/UXXAfIo4BMmcrO9R0TF9+G0C9siRmDZkATiolZdmBE1+AzgS4mbKu vVLUvY865FkK62xWbpeOzmmlLaN6iHOz9nbumpZmwIz4lcKOJsgOiJrqbdp2sQ1EFSdX IdzNqnB3dqdZzRxhapF4YoJxV2Usj5bbrkSis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PUH+WoWvgaOCzCYKxrrZokX0OmfA0ZYq6t3OAuUJoH35dCQ/qt5EhTBHzON1hwFZHl 8xH5+QefR08QkcyoRt8cCtr/pKt4ur+LONzbJfqcdMCnl0dNDHagyycF/AHP2VCFpQrM hC9vhBdizuMPgB/BX9ioaymfNiKT29Vmo0mRA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.213 with SMTP id p21mr370343bkw.163.1263470882264; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:08:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing. At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger temperature range. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > Hi guys, > > Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 > MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am > aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. > > Thanks all the comments. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/13 James Moritz > > Dear LF Group, >> >> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >> >> >> >> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>> 503848 to 503885 >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts abou= t 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to= adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscil= lator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start= TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary -= G4WGT <g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk>
Hi guys,

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes= as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert,= I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an ho= ur or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary= - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

Dear LF Group,<= br>
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be= a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift



over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503= 848 to 503885

73, Rik






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--0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9984b41c10b1ab; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:21:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b41c10b1ab; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:21:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRk24-000776-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRk24-00076x-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRk21-00010c-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from RADIORUM2 (0x3ef3a193.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk [62.243.161.147]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B9A7A50016 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:18:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003901ca8d27$547f99d0$93a1f33e@RADIORUM2> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?niels_rudberg_j=F8rgensen?= To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> <1262547036.4b40f05cbc380@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:18:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hej Paul-Henrik! S=E5 din 600 m log. Min locator er JO65GX. Jeg h=E5ber engang at f=E5 en to-vejs qso med dig p=E5 600 m! 73 og HNY Niels/OZ8NJ+ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Paul-Henrik" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Correction: The correct time is 1912UTC. At first I deducted 2 hours from the clock already showing UTC... My log of received ham/experimental stations + X-band QSO's around 600= m=20 since September 2007 can be found here: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/500_log.txt > LF > > Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: > > PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal,= PA0A=20 > seems > to > have difficulties copying him. > > RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins > ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. > > > Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector mem= bers! > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b60a43417b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:38:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E837038000251; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEdg-0004Ui-C8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEdf-0004UY-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEdd-0006IS-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E357B804E for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57CA31E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:33:09 +0100 Thread-Topic: WSPR Reports Thread-Index: Acqfj43t5lbDr6CEQjmLPz1IuTVaEQAAGJ+R Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b60a4327173 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a sig= nificant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to= get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a ju= st a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub = +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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maybe the "mag= ic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase= in SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@= googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b53f0bd54; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:25:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 58C2838000096; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWk5h-0005y1-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWk5h-0005xs-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl ([194.134.41.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWk5f-0003lZ-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4FA8E03B for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:51 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b53f0bb0dfa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Some decodes 0452 -22 -0.3 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0454 -19 -0.3 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0456 -22 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0458 -22 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0500 -22 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0504 -24 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0506 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0508 -24 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0512 -31 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0514 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Rik Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Jay, > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > Reports via wsprnet.org > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz >> USB. Some stations will begin >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. >> Stations may be adjusting their >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports, >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. >> >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will >> continue on in WSPR mode >> instead. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI071-eace4b3d5145319; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:35:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFC2038000083; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQWOS-0007ED-43 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQWOR-0007E2-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:31 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQWOP-0001bR-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:31 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o011XKk1026285 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:33:20 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cc1.6a9ae820 (14457) for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:28:00 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: HNY PAT 499 kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cc1.6a9ae820.386ea9a0_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b3d513b0d2c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --part1_cc1.6a9ae820.386ea9a0_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1262309279" -------------------------------1262309279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new year PAT... 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Happy new year PAT...
 
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RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL=20 1010

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This is the amazing night on 600m band: 2252 -27 -0.3 0.503890 0 <...> FN42PB 40 It might be a signal from WD2XSH/17. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_ac5b1b87-0aa6-4321-97e7-af6217a09b96_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello OMs!
This is the amazing night on 600m band:

2252 -27 -0.3=    0.503890  0 <...> FN42PB 40

It might be a= signal from WD2XSH/17.

Lubos, OK2BVG

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boundary="part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5d7d481370 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Thanx Henny. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 11:22:13 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl= a =20 =E9crit : Hi All, capture DTL/2 Henny pa3cpm best 73s =20 =20 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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 11:22:13 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plane= t.nl a=20 =E9crit :
Hi All,
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 --part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.92]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b578a3c395; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C1AC380000BF; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjT4-00023q-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjT4-00023h-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjT2-0000WZ-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0OAGEYV0tUDZUV/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYcxjG69EoQ2BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,313,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280808168" Received: from host-84-13-149-21.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.149.21]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 22:55:42 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:55:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01ca9a23$b1890400$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405c4b578a3a5edf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos =20 Well that is amazing, well done. You must have a very good quiet set= up. I was in hope as last night one of my reports from EU was 8dB up on al= l previous, that is all it takes. =20 Roger promised me a beer too if I made 1000Km :-) =20 73 =20 Eddie =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 22:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK =20 Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 =20 _____ =20 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten pr= av=FD? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Lubos

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Well that is amazing,= well done. You must have a very good quiet set up. I was in hope as last night one of my= reports from EU was 8dB up on all previous, that is all it takes.

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Roger promised me a= beer too if I made 1000Km J

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73

 

Eddie

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK

 

Hello Eddie, LF!

2214   4  1.9   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37=

2216 -29  2.0   0.503819&n= bsp; 0 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230   8  2.1   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37=

My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.

 

Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp= 200uW ERP is on..

 

73

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= /span>

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Congratulation= s,  "water pistol"

1200km - a ver= y comfortable margin too.

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2010/1/20 Lubo= s OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910 = 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kte= r=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

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No virus= found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Windo= ws 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b5ca303270; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97EEC38000074; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8MO-0000JT-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8MO-0000JK-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8ML-0001oU-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from COL122-W38 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:42:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:42:50 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 19:42:50.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[69DC60E0:01CA9D2D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_ba19da4c-a92d-41d3-8280-532a2601f3c4_" Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b5ca3010ec1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_ba19da4c-a92d-41d3-8280-532a2601f3c4_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_" --_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz =20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from=20 Multipsk on 503.000 =20 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 =20 Very slow data rate ..... might =20 take a while to show 1 line ! =20 Reports ? =20 Tnx - Graham G0NBD =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
= Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /font>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b4109f54a4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, my apologies for the poor typing. I am aware that my English is far from perfect. But noy all of us are in the luxury situation that the "default language" is their mother tongue. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Rik, > > ''''so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.'''' > > Everyone can write software .. but not everyone can press the keys in the > right order ! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b476610359; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:06:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88E7D380001A4; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIHK-0005rE-CI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIHJ-0005r5-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:37 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTIHF-0001Hg-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:37 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so12676415bwz.4 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e4N6/QtH8NW49FvikPjUen6/4qHB/FgXPHkB5btBlpc=; b=AosjvcfDci1t9u7xURVFXSzaHwseOeDfM3v7EmUJTsa914uzQ82l1tN90LZxD4v4w0 kjn8+3jM2UCb2juGI7p57f8Lhz9H8iIKMwwcygzSHHMDmeshjzh5aK4v/SDRKNg67JDw RBHfvbY69Xt+EsOUwcd9rjxE7DtXa9PtGMy/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IjXNDQwNfTHI59Fsi9w9yl1xL/xJy1bht4IBTd4S3kXf/24eWV6R7GwuZlq+ms6zXW /Uqi4IMQsNSy2algrNSRzPZ8kFE/OVLZyp0AgtOTTAMxSJ1dIaSqX7E47MCknT19al1J E4JLd6JHgLMHXvgtFDVxNSe3q5w8d6zgN6T8U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.145 with SMTP id k17mr1153021bka.70.1262970327028; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:05:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001080905v74d516e5k21f89eb3192576f1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b47660e6b4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you for the very interesting statistics Rik. My 500kHz WSPR beaconing has not been 24/7, so some of the times when you did not hear me may have been when the TX was off-air, usually during the daytime. When in the shack and not on another band I often put the 500kHz WSPR transverter on. Typically I am TXing at around 20-30% from around teatime until just after breakfast time, although I have not been on every night through the night until the last couple of days. 73s and thanks again. Roger G3XBM 2010/1/8 Rik Strobbe > Hello Roger, > > I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring > period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced > some interesting facts: > > - over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming > you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is > 437 out of 1360 or 32% > - in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I > had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%) > - in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I > had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%) > - on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV > in CW till 20UTC > - on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC > - on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic > hits between 11UTC and 12UTC > - on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV > in CW till 22UTC > - on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a > distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC > - best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% > copy, based on 10 transmission/hour) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote: > > Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz > WSPR station so far.... > > Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a > TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at > http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now > managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries > with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR > signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris > G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been > received. > > I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms > short still. > > Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a *massive* incentive for me to > keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is *so*useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate > feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to > get a few CW QSOs it has been *much* harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would > expect. > > Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a > few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no > chance of taking it down to make changes! > > Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you > have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/8 M0FMT > Hi LF > > For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably > equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can > be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual > database way. > > URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo wrote: > > From: g3zjo > Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > > WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various > stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over > Europe. > > Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the very interesting statistics Rik.

My 500kHz WSPR= beaconing has not been 24/7, so some of the times when you did not hear= me may have been when the TX was off-air, usually during the daytime. Whe= n in the shack and not on another band I often put the 500kHz WSPR transve= rter on. Typically I am TXing at around 20-30% from around teatime until= just after breakfast time, although I have not been on every night throug= h the night until the last couple of days.

73s and thanks again.
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/8 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Hello Roger,

I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts:

- over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32%
- in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (=3D 322 out of 740 or 44%)
- in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (=3D 115 out of 500 or 23%)
- on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC
- on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC
- on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC
- on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC
- on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC
- best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour)

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote:
Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in= 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for= a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.= uk>
Hi LF
=A0
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports= by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual database way.
=A0
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.= plus.com> wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.= plus.com>
Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM=A0=A0=A0 GQRP 1678=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ISWL G11088



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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5bf4b58b982254; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:31:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG046-5bf4b58b982254; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:31:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3ed-0006y7-K8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3ed-0006xy-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3eb-00005V-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 99200 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 20:29:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=QEK+KFmbi5SxL7MnBZaMUYeX6nbFtByr9U2+t/XY0oyQmZoIRTZ6zrJ5OotZaao2a0g8q10QyseBbYErg2wR+HZcAlCdIxGQzGANqby8rxh8kSrYkJfCxCV2wAcqPnYkfwPKRoKbmdSodmbQt1PH4+zKG/ZO/ZktfwJcxc4/AHc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 20:29:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: Edjd_KgVM1lQ.FUthxzYDf7KyUy.mtX3rabeOGaze9aWosD15Z2j2N8qugKxCxAtH15fac36YZh5DjUDvGjaiQUwI14Fo5GMWHIjEfoPqXLULTIXwwBMj2DleuhMJhiM0hiJgggLVhEYjbsYEv9Cgl.i1HSUzQ_Rae4zgT6xmjLS6wapGGgBaJ8IgnkfNiIs_8uysdG0vyYCFuBQ4rr3o.KHQUYC1CmIC61whtgIEFMK6mwPzah3YDr.p9.RYpxI4HrC9mF39G3lfNY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <470D43E18300477E9397AA79CA57BAB9@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Roger, LF Group, I tried sending this earlier, but it does not appear to have got through... --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wrote: This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night. ... Mea Culpa... I seem to have left the WSPR power indicated as 50mW from some 136kHz tests - in fact the 500kHz ERP from M0BMU was close to the normal 2W level last night. Estimating transmitter ERP from received WSPR signal reports is prone to large inaccuracies, for at least 2 reasons: -You have to estimate the ground wave propagation loss, which depends on various "unknown factors" such as ground conductivity, terrain and so on, and for distances greater than a few 10s of km the uncertainty could easily be several dB or more. -To get received signal field strength from WSPR SNR, you have to assume a value for the noise field strength. Noise being noise, this is likely to have unpredictable variations of several dB too. So the ERP estimated from the received signal is better than nothing, but at best is going to be an order-of-magnitude estimate rather than a precise figure with well-defined error limits. Ground features usually lead to higher ground wave losses, and noise levels tend to increase rather than decrease, so these ERP estimates are likely to be on the low side. A much better estimate of ERP can be got by measuring antenna current and calculating radiation resistance from the antenna geometry - then the main source of error is the "site loss" due to environmental effects on the transmitting antenna. But this seems to be usually in the range 0 - say, 6dB for most locations, so as Andy says, if you assume -3dB you will probably be quite close. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5ee54b4b42ca2b6; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:24:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A313380002E3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM7M-0003qb-R2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM7M-0003qQ-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUM7K-00023h-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAKrQSktZ8L81/2dsb2JhbACNVQbKBIQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="305240601" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.191.53]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 15:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: <005401ca92d1$ffc7e130$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4b42c76864 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QSL Jay, although in recent times signals seemed to peak around 2130= - 2215 then suffer fade. 73 and tnx de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today= ) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qual= ity. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rath= er good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5,= EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
QSL Jay, although in recent times sig= nals seemed to=20 peak around 2130 - 2215 then suffer fade.
73 and tnx de mal/g3kev
 
=
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you about= 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / whe= n I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite start= ing about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QR= G. I hear=20 u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts=
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signa= l last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I= had first time=20 reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' cau= ses=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for you= r cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Cu= rious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alr= eady=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if= , using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal= CW. Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my= knowledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and= a normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the foll= owing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,= =20 /10.
 = ;
Best DX: 201= 0-01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&nb= sp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b49b58e346; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB7E838000090; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTved-0002me-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTved-0002mV-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTvea-0006SP-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEOAOBDSUtOllMf/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAcgyhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,250,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="428043034" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.83.31]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2010 11:07:50 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca91e5$25c8b7d0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b49b58c4a4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well my QRPp set up chalked up another station last night G0DEZ, only 46Km and -16dB but a very welcome report. 2010-01-10 06:34 G3ZJO 0.503856 -16 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 G0DEZ IO92ub 46 29 That is now 7 stations on my ERP in the micro Watt region, the most distant still being G0KTN at 145Km. 73 All Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 09 January 2010 23:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/09/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well my QRPp se= t up chalked up another station last night G0DEZ, only 46Km and -16dB but a very welcome repor= t.

 

2010-01-10 06:34  G3ZJO  0.503856  -16  0=   IO92ng  +17  0.050  G0DEZ&nb= sp; IO92ub  46  29 

 

That is now 7= stations on my ERP in the micro Watt region, the most distant still being G0KTN at 145Km.

 

73 All

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of R= oger Lapthorn
Sent: 09 January 2010= 23:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSP= R overnight

 

My 1mW ERP WSPR= beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports fro= m >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" statio= ns taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10H= z through the night.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/u= ser/G3XBM

G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/= 09/10 07:35:00

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b5f8c21a7; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:43:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C775738000087; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvyx-0001dg-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvyw-0001dX-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:06 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvyt-0005DQ-L5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:06 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0R0ftMb017699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:11:55 -0330 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:11:55 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: VX9MRC QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b5f8c1f1850 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Group, The TX is now in operation on 507.77 kHz CW 8 WPM beacon. 1.6 amps aerial current to a 100m wire. Reports most welcomed. 73 and GL Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b48a7b5c8; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4C0338000111; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdhB-0007sf-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdhB-0007sW-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdh9-0004GQ-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822940134 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from cor306597a14dc (dc5146dcf7.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.70.220.247]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: "Cor PA0AM" To: References: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100109-0, 09-01-2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b48a7b3331f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageRead the manual for WSPR! 73 Cor PA0AM From: Lee Hudson=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 4:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3? Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. LA3/O28WJJ <...> JO28WJ 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Read the manual for WSPR!
 
73 Cor PA0AM

Rece= iving the=20 following non-loggable spot around 503.915
Look= s like the Call=20 field is incorrect.
 
LA= 3/O28WJJ
<= ...>=20 JO28WJ
 
73= ,
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b6b4b5855f0144; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b4b5855f0144; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXx1a-00055X-Fy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXx1a-00055O-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f190.google.com ([209.85.222.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXx1Y-0005g0-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so426104pzk.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:24:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cNbqp+4z7a4iXqQV5WfhLRRC9GFp5p053sDk6CTQWPI=; b=u1a3rxqTGXD2z9hF3JAef8Tmbtfc+G1bPa5lt1CU+mphO05Wd2ZpF0ZI/Q+PF9GCI/ 12ZmaG28a6TzsiEcLTp6l+Mabm5dNwaN1XWAPViLkgX1jsq8aLX8NyRZvgndSuQt+2Mg nMpT6CuuXquUEpJPZ9wECa59usVt3AW5D7/Ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=enAPsfd6M7jD9hxE8OPV2m0a7d+TZ4tXOoD7lkIIbAu6B299EAP4nk8fPTqhSjYiED 2nOAS7G6JYpd1NMJw6BKnKnne08dn1sp9qEdn2GmNatz0TBDim4yO9HV+byciuhM0XcB ZbXYlPz9X+u7g6KnD3nErQNidJXiTMPvSf/6k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.114.5 with SMTP id r5mr1003943wam.145.1264080268456; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:24:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001210524p765b0f84t755bfe2f38623523@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 21-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d224.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny, WD2XGJ still at QRP level. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/21 henny van elst : > Hi Warren LF, > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 21-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA922E.5DB67530-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b62a9353df; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:24:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1828838000108; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nan3n-0005yB-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nan3m-0005y2-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nan3k-0006wJ-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402DE51C009 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3507031E702 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:11 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:18 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6390690==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b62a93326ed X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_6390690==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Stefan, ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss. The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance. The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you. Just as an example the path loss this programme gives for 137kHz and an average ground: 250km = 55.1dB 500km = 65.3dB 750km = 74.7dB 1000km = 83.5dB 2000km = 115.4dB 3000km = 144.5dB 4000km = 172.2dB 5000km = 199.0dB As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Alan and LF, > >I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that >follows :-) > >The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E >is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? >So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance >of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding >noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. > >I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this >2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. > >So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above >example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a >very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground >conductivity on the whole distance but anyway. > >And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the >daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with >the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an >other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!? > >If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why >is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is >clear but on LF? > >Tnx for enlightning answers... > >Stefan/DK7FC > > >---------- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA >Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly > >Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! > >Alan G3NYK --=====================_6390690==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Stefan,

ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing.
The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat.
In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss.
The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance.
The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.
It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you.
Just as an example the path loss this programme  gives for 137kHz and an average ground:
250km = 55.1dB
500km = 65.3dB
750km = 74.7dB
1000km = 83.5dB
2000km = 115.4dB
3000km = 144.5dB
4000km = 172.2dB
5000km = 199.0dB
As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story).
I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi Alan and LF,
 
I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follows :-)
 
The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right?
So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?.
 
I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before.
 
So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but anyway.
 
And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!?
 
If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on LF?
 
Tnx for enlightning answers...
 
Stefan/DK7FC
 
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA
Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly

Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again !

Alan G3NYK
--=====================_6390690==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b60c36d6b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:51:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F683380001D6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGiT-0007Vi-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGiS-0007VZ-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0000 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGiQ-00085U-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0000 Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id amM91d00G0xGWP853mpfWc; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:49:39 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id amqK1d00G2DDHkk3YmqKGg; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002401ca9fa3$19859170$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:50:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA9F79.308963D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b60c36a2371 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, Rik Been running a doubler for WSPR at WE2XGR/2 for the past couple weeks. Linear exciter > doubler > push pull Class D amplifier. So far I've tested it on WSPR, MFSK, Domino EX, Thor, Olivia and RTTY with good results. Requires roughly 0 to +10 dBm at input...sin or square wave. The circuit could no doubt be simplified and/or improved. It was literally thrown together with previously used components already sitting out on the bench...to prove the concept. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite recently. How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. Impressive. I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy, Rik
 
Been running a doubler for WSPR at WE= 2XGR/2 for the=20 past couple weeks. Linear exciter > doubler > push pull Class D= amplifier.=20 So far I've tested it on WSPR, MFSK, Domino EX, Thor, Olivia and RTTY= with good=20 results. Requires roughly 0 to +10 dBm at input...sin or square= wave.=20
 
The circuit could no doubt be simplif= ied and/or=20 improved. It was literally thrown together with previously used compon= ents=20 already sitting out on the bench...to prove the concept.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 4:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz= JT4A

I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamenta= l drive=20 signals quite recently.  
 
How about a frequency doubler?    The output doe= sn't have=20 to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. &nb= sp;=20 And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network wit= h around=20 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting wavef= orm=20 shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal.  Then apply this= =20 one,  along with the original to a two input XOR gate= whose=20 output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by= 2 for a=20 perfect 1:1 squarewave drive.
 

Andy
ww= w.g4jnt.com

This email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police,= is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may con= tribute to=20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <<= A href=3D"mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be">Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
Gary,<= /FONT>
 
the SNR values over th= e last hour or=20 so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your=20 current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy and= 0.5W=20 occasional copy.
Impressive.
I should get QRV= on JT4A, but I=20 blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, and my 250W G3= YXM-clone=20 PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use that with my= HF/500kHz=20 transverter.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] name= ns Gary - G4WGT=20 [g4wg= t@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag=20 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF:=20 RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,=20

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answerin= g Rik's=20 query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will= change the=20 text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from fur= ther=20 afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power= for a short=20 period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the= moment so=20 in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <= ;andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaran= teed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe &= lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Ga= ry,
 
solid copy here,= SNR -5 to=20 -7dB.
But the signal is= clearly audible,=20 CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to= what SNR values=20 JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7Y= D -=20 OR7T
Van: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary -=20 G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27=20 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwer= p: LF:=20 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency= 502.300=20 kHz USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83qo


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([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003801ca9608$f2266df0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b50a75c521e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Its right on top of the WSPR acty. A carrier modulated by 100 hz tone(= full wave rectified mains) spreading 900 Hz=20 Carrier up 1.5 Khz from 502 Khz dial freq (503.5 usb) g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
Its right on top of the WSPR acty. A= carrier=20 modulated by 100 hz tone(full wave rectified mains) spreading 900 Hz= =20
Carrier up 1.5 Khz from 502 Khz dial= freq (503.5=20 usb)
g3kev
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.206]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b50bb5b363; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:00:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 98CA03800015F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrOU-0004dc-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrOT-0004dT-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrOR-0005oy-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkNAMZFUEtOkaFE/2dsb2JhbACCFYYt0XuEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,283,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288578689" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.161.68]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:59:13 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:13 -0000 Message-ID: <005201ca9614$d4238390$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bf118411001150850l6bcdc752na7b131104d3d4841@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b50bb5935c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave I can't remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots below, Space on the centre line. In a way the 9 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dots. Likewise the inter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in frequency for each Dash and descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to read. Which lead me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre line for a Dash and below the line for a Dot. As far as I know this has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it all:-) Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 15 January 2010 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave<= /font>

 

I can’t= remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots= below, Space on the centre line.

 

In a way the 9= seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dot= s.

 

Likewise the in= ter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in frequency for each Dash and= descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to= read.  Which lead me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre= line for a Dash and below the line for a Dot.

As far as I kno= w this has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it allJ

 

Eddie

 

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Sent: 15 January 2010= 16:51
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz= -WSPR-QRSS3

 

Hello Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3zjo= <g3zjo@npton.plus.com&= gt;

LF Group

 

Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage,= maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits.

 



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Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b5b6562280; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:08:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C7A1380000C8; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnCt-0008KG-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnCs-0008K7-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnCp-00089M-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:46 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAHb0WktOlECv/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx0iEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437549030" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.64.175]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 21:07:25 +0000 Message-ID: <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b5b65602b24 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There= has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The si= gnal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the= transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There cannot be a time when JT4 or WS= PR will be=20 received and not QRS because the trace is always visible long before= a data=20 decode. There has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data= decode. The=20 signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the= =20 transmitted message.
 
G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

Th= is email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety=20 police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to=20 health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b4712dc109; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8ACA38000089; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCjJ-0004ev-R5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCjJ-0004em-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTCjG-0003ys-Kw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D2A7B804B for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F3AF3862 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:43 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:09:46 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10975606==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4712d81de9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10975606==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Roger, I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts: - over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32% - in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%) - in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%) - on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC - on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC - on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC - on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC - on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC - best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote: >Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP >500kHz WSPR station so far.... > >Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any >measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at >http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k >for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 >different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of >these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the >database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I >much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received. > >I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain >40kms short still. > >Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me >to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned >is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives >almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. >Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder >going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect. > >Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz >for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, >so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes! > >Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I >hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. > >73s >Roger G3XBM > > > > >2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> >Hi LF > >For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by >suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost >real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other >parameters in the usual database way. > >URL is ..... >http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > >73 es HNY petefmt > >--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo ><g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wrote: > >From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> >Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > >WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various >stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over >Europe. > >Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_10975606==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Roger,

I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts:

- over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32%
- in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%)
- in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%)
- on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC
- on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC
- on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC
- on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC
- on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC
- best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote:
Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi LF
 
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual database way.
 
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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--=====================_10975606==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-8f54b4bc69c237; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:47:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD035-8f54b4bc69c237; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:47:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUtv-000791-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUtv-00078s-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUUtu-0005NH-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0C0kF3j008330 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:15 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d0a.644aef40 (37169) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-5bcb4b4bc650bc; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:10 -0500 Received: from magic-m06.mail.aol.com (magic-m06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.2]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB022-5bcb4b4bc650bc; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:08 -0500 From: kkorn42@aol.com Message-ID: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:08 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 92.227.83.219 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi dr Graham, well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any longer. Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice" are good words. I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant! I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop. The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, when none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will be there to fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. allocations for a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the ocean on foot. 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi dr Graham,
well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any=20 longer.
Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice"= are=20 good words.
I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant!
I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy=20 interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop.
 
The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, wh= en=20 none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will be th= ere to=20 fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. allocation= s for=20 a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the ocean= on=20 foot.
 
73
de Klaus
dj6lb
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Hi,LF
Nice captur ra3yo
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Gibbs User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-X-Authenticated-User: jgibbs@infoserve.net X-Originating-IP: 66.51.128.102 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Antenna Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello.... Can the typical thermo-couple amp meter be placed in the antenna lead-in. I have had several fail open after a few days use. They were not close to any metallic grounded objects, or subject to over current. No lightning 73 John / VE7BDQ (VX9BDQ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4b44b79a301; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:17:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 538EF3800013A; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSYXy-0007H7-2U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSYXx-0007Gy-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:45 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSYXu-0000CK-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:45 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0FAEpGREtZ8LOb/2dsb2JhbACNRwaPCLZehDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="409562081" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.179.155]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 16:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001101ca8eeb$793e8680$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:15:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 QSL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b44b7986dc9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA0A de G3KEV Tnx ur QSL card Albert for first DUTCH/UK QSO on 500 khz CW QSL card to u in in the post. 73 HNY and hpe cu agn soon MAL/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PA0A de G3KEV
Tnx ur QSL card Albert for first DUTC= H/UK QSO on=20 500 khz CW
QSL card to u in in the post.<= /DIV>
73 HNY and hpe cu agn soon
MAL/G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5ef74b605c4f3d2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:31:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3FFE38000085; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na9pn-0003Ba-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na9pn-0003BR-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:35 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na9pj-0003Nk-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:34 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=45704 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1Na9pd-000Mt6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:29:25 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004001ca9f65$80786e90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b605c4c0894 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, Many thanks for the reports! I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduc= e power. Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. Power 5 W. Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. Thanks! 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF,
 
Many thanks for the reports!
I am very surprised such good results= . Now I will=20 try to further reduce power.
Start the beacon today at 19 z. 13777= 5.5,=20 dfcw90.
Power 5=20 W.
Who will have the opportunity, please= watch for the=20 beacon.
 
Thanks!
 
 
73 Andrey
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b40e3023e5; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:33:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 402843800007F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVFp-0003n9-7z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVFo-0003n0-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:40 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVFn-0001LG-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 50627 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 18:32:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262543554; bh=BAQihTRRR7fHUJp6kie79+iucuCN3AR8jMv19Zm3FDM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PTg/MhYBPxw0ERWg18Zqf5+HM9U5q3qszfvpTGhhsslIo1EvEmgnG4Xg/hzpTVW84dbFaB0TECs/al6bQMv37+jXhk7wOVhUsmLTaO0XlsJu4QqwiG71oHCO8GT4aOIiQw1vgBzXaj+u18sMLfrJ5qLXPxoAaFDN/8H+ePcxea0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HcgFfVCIHRkrs8b/G4zJhrKRn2SHUNArkxPtpVdcrCXv/Yx63CHv8UXGvfDnQWKjr9gspgg/poIQwNz4VcvWd0B8uEPUfQSW9NbzH2QBWSa+70O+z1EuGo3hdaVjIEPDqu1G16j2ojSehWvqu+Qgdy5srqpdB7i4ArKvmmRCqcI=; Message-ID: <639393.50610.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Jyw4HcIVM1lMOvuJG.jBUiJpLtNtohK.5uXSLosppcygDHLHIaH0BCh3DyC61pYlHr0KnYRahsn_rgB2b1kLXQ2Anl_SvFrk_VviobfpMha85JKxTxYLu2bfUYm02JC2I6SrS5K_35yrULTHAkNxRLoaaGzVIK1NkrI.qpWio3ofmSqPK7jBiZOgvgER1BZ7rRqyoEwLMNyb7ooKgvkGYdmoBx267od4y1iwi.Zm1llMA4NkGXTG.QrxuNM7FJhiAC6oaTYrTmEksFCS0EhSz1E- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:32:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b40e3017429 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point Andy =A0 My method on 30m is to use a $30 Softrock=A0T/RX and use an VAC (Virtual= Audio Cable) to interconnect Joes software to my SDR application audio in= put and visa versa for the RX. Still linear though and very low power but= =A0in the spirit of WSPR. =A0It uses 3 x=A0QSD chips one in the RX and two in the TX plus a=A0=A04x= low noise Op amps one or two=A0bipolar devices=A0and some TTL for the LO= phase shift. All the hardware is in a 6x4x1.5 plastic box tucked behind= the PC. I can even multitask on the PC with some little disturbance to the T/RX op= eration. A testimony to optimising equipment utilisation. The SSB rig sits= gathering dust. =A0 The SR T/RX I am certain can me adapted to 500kc/s (the RX can) . In fact= if the onboard TR change over can be dispensed with=A0and taking RF strai= ght off the QSD mixer via a=A0a suitable transformer would go straight int= o a 500kc/s=A0linear PA bypassing the SR pa circuit. Again allowing the us= er to TX and RX=A0 any Diggi mode from software held on the PC via the VAC= .=20 Its a software Virtual World now..... do we really exist?? It's all Philip= K Dick's fault!!!=A0=A0 =A0 Must stop drinking the Fullers 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:55 For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phase shi= ft network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of CR's; although= a pair of op-amp allpass networks=A0does a=A0better job. =A0 Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz=A0by phase shifting teh= audio, then=A0followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse.=A0 http://www= .g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q outputs= from the soundcard. =A0 May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean you= don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, only to= lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of cour= se) Andy 2010/1/3 M0FMT OK Rik =A0 May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing= SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2222= devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has prop= osed. =A0 Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe= whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted ....= but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? =A0 Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load diggi= modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh th= ats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists. =A0 73 HNY petefmt From: Rik Strobbe =20 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20 Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept= simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones= 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal=A0 cont= rolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driving the= mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low power asp= ect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use the readi= ly available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no brain sur= gery required. >=20 > 73 es GL petefmt >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >=20 > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >=20 > There is a way... >=20 > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. >=20 > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating= teh WSPR > message and the PIC code >=20 > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. >=20 > Perhaps there's a demand here... >=20 > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 >: >> Roger >>=20 >> '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' >>=20 >> That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf >> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 convent= ional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good >> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0 drive train , vfo=A0= controlled >> or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. >> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... >>=20 >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >>=20 >> Some suggestions: >>=20 >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of roo= m >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >>=20 >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>=20 >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 > >>>=20 >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0 =A0 ISWL G11088 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point Andy
 
My method on 30m is to use a $30 Softrock T/RX and use an VAC (V= irtual Audio Cable) to interconnect Joes software to my SDR application au= dio input and visa versa for the RX. Still linear though and very low powe= r but in the spirit of WSPR.
 It uses 3 x QSD chips one in the RX and two in the TX plus= a  4x low noise Op amps one or two bipolar devices an= d some TTL for the LO phase shift. All the hardware is in a 6x4x1.5 plasti= c box tucked behind the PC.
I can even multitask on the PC with some little disturbance to the T/= RX operation. A testimony to optimising equipment utilisation. The SSB rig= sits gathering dust.
 
The SR T/RX I am certain can me adapted to 500kc/s (the RX can) . In= fact if the onboard TR change over can be dispensed with and taking= RF straight off the QSD mixer via a a suitable transformer would go= straight into a 500kc/s linear PA bypassing the SR pa circuit. Again= allowing the user to TX and RX  any Diggi mode from software held on= the PC via the VAC.
Its a software Virtual World now..... do we really exist?? It's all= Philip K Dick's fault!!!  
 
Must stop drinking the Fullers

73 es GL petefmt

--- On= Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:55

For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phas= e shift network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of= CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks does a better= job.
 
Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz by phase shifti= ng teh audio, then followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse. = ; http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q ou= tputs from the soundcard.
 
May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean= you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, onl= y to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of= course)

Andy
2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk= >
=
OK Rik
 
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x= 2n2222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM= has proposed.
 
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
 
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down loa= d diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW .......= . oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot.....  slapped wrists.
 
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Str= obbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20


Pete,

There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so= things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is= to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide= by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straight= forward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Probably simpler to to= make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal  controlled oscillator and= a few stages of linear amplification  driving the mixer with an SSB= rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the  Low power aspect so no QRO= linears required if you play the game.  Then use the readily availab= le Software that can be down loaded for  free.... no brain surgery re= quired.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbo= t <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com<= /A>> wrote:
>
> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject:= Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January= , 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way...
>
> If you= can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the
> four= WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
>= This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the
&= gt; other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the
> oscillator.
>
&= gt; Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive.
> See =   www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP   for details of= generating teh WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The= design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
>= with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
>= standalone manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there's a de= mand here...
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in= a PC
> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Se= rial
> port and PIC based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt= .com
>
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>=
> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth
> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to
> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and= polar regions
>
>
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham  &l= t;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<<= A href=3D"http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet= .co.uk" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/c= ompose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>>:
>> Roger
>= >
>> '''  More people should use WSPR - '''
>>=
>> That's not as  easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audio to&= nbsp; rf
>> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fine&nbs= p; if you have a  conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter= or ham set that works down to  500/137 ...No good
>> if you=   have dividing logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo = controlled
>> or PIC based without the  'ability'  to&= nbsp; run a wspr  generating  code set ..
>> Its a = ; good  point worth making though ...
>>
>> G..>> From: Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 201= 0 10:20 PM
>> To:  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>= ;> Mal,
>>
>> Some suggestions:
>>
>= > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a ti= me
>> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a 200Hz slice
>> of the band allowing very useful data on= propagation and station
>> performance/changes to be determined.=   This would leave plenty of room
>> elsewhere in the band= for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
>> Occasional= testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of
>>= interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to us= e
>> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if interference
>> to weak signals is likely.
>> You sh= ould try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
>> less".
= >>
>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector>>
>> Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>>=
>>
>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton  <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@t= alktalk.net>>
>>>
>>> I am afraid we ha= ve a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and
>>>= S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to>>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot unders= tand why a
>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narro= w band allocation.
>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by bea= cons.
>>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>>> G3= KEV
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>= -------------------------------------------------------------
>>= http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk<http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk/>
>> G3XBM    GQRP 1678  &nbs= p;   ISWL G11088
>>
>>
>>
>
&= gt;
>
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=20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a4a4b56bcc1d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:20:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a4b56bcc1d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:20:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVmd-0005QK-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVmd-0005QB-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:23 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVma-0003W7-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:22 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7264C8160 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FCB4C80B7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56BC80.6020509@online.fr> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:12 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF [137kHz] " XGJ " Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all on LF , last night good copy of XGJ(qrp) What signal ? see at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/20100120090720.jpg 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj Thank you Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren ,LF > nice captrure XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 17-01.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA081-b5304b5a13b133e; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:08:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5286D38000237; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQii-00030k-Hb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQii-00030b-4X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQih-0000ef-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4385D51C005 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4877BF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5BA5D18056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b5a13af1ba3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, Jim, I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST M0BMU". It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b562f91249; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:17:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F951380001C9; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXMNT-0004W9-VD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXMNT-0004W0-AI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from mout7.freenet.de ([195.4.92.97]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXMNS-00065X-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout7.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NXMNP-0003vt-Vy; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:43 +0100 Received: from p57af25f4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.37.244]:1504 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NXMNO-0001Pz-So; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:43 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gary - G4WGT'" References: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4550CA09119C45E5A9BF1FB7D7647FD6@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqZUUajdci1S/8ITIaVVHGPU0IUWwAARjsA In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b562f8f52ee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, However..I also decoded this line at 21:56 UTC in JT4A-Mode .. Where ever it comes from.. 215600 5 -16 0.5 -61 20 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0 Sri, but did not decode your call sign complete. Will try again tomorrow. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ===== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 22:47 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A LF, I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated. So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2. I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night. 73 Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hel= lo Gary,

 

How= ever….I also decoded this line at 21:56 UTC in JT4A-Mode ….<= /p>

Whe= re ever it comes from….

215= 600  5  -16  0.5  -61 20 *      ***WRONG MODE?***         0  = 0

Sri= , but did not decode your call sign complete…

Wil= l try again tomorrow…

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19.= Januar 2010 22:47
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz WS= JT JT4A

 

LF,

 

I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for= all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated.

 

So, I will try for a 2 way QSO to= morrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a repl= y or 2.

 

I believe someone did try to repl= y tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Gary - G4WGT.

------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b4a0e868a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:29:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2434338000102; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU1aZ-0003gd-Nv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU1aZ-0003gU-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU1aX-0003Ja-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0AHSOTP028630 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: summer activity? Thread-Index: AcqSFj1VcPeoqedeSaG4Kk84KHedMwAAwTn5 References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002901ca9215$70751410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.669;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.10.171817 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA921A.508FDC33" Subject: LF: summer activity? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4a0e857b89 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA921A.508FDC33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about the summer? I= haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, how much stronger is it? Jus= t some db or is a qso in cw or qrss almost impossible? How much does it af= fect the groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between day and night= much more than in the winter? =20 Sri, cannot be qrv this weekend, just watch the DF6NM grabber and listen= to utwente websdr ;-) I am envious, once again ;-) =20 Wish you fun and gd qsos!=20 =20 Congrats to mal for the qsos! Nice acty! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 17:53 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 137.7 Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on 500 his first= PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ now cq on 500.= plus others. OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 de mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton =20 To: rsgb =20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: LF: 137.7 Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. 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+0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR8N8-0002Iv-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:06:44 +0000 Received: from COL122-W2 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:06:31 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B3F8547.14.5A2DF1F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <1478826918.20100102161537@dx.ru>,<4B3F8547.14.5A2DF1F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 18:06:31.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[50479090:01CA8BD6] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_d111b85b-7dd8-471d-9afb-a5c036d168e6_" Subject: RE: LF: G3XDV in s10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3f8b6f21c2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_d111b85b-7dd8-471d-9afb-a5c036d168e6_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_" --_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike and Ed! Here are pictures of your great signals. It was interesting to watch your= QSO! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ****************** > From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:41:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV in s10 >=20 > Ed, >=20 > Thanks for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your=20 > transmission. >=20 > Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the report. >=20 > I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most evenings. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > >=20 > > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo > > Signal is not so bad in daylight > >=20 > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike and Ed!
Here are pictures of your great signals. It was inte= resting to watch your QSO!
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
> To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:41:27 +0000
> Su= bject: Re: LF: G3XDV in s10
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks= for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your
>= transmission.
>
> Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the repor= t.
>
> I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most eve= nings.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
>
> >
> > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo
= > > Signal is not so bad in daylight
> >
> > 73!= Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF [137kHz] " XGJ " Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b5855f37217 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Jean-Pierre for the grabber! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:19 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello all on LF , > > last night good copy of XGJ(qrp) > > What signal ? see at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/20100120090720.jpg > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > Thank you Henny! > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > > 2010/1/17 henny van elst : >> >> Hi Warren ,LF >> nice captrure XGJ >> Henny pa3cpm >> best 73s >> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> verzonden: >> XGJ 17-01.jpg >> > > > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b54203f2db; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:47:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with 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<74322F7CEE8A41A4A4DA219D577B6C3E@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qgU9HKu4gkEk/04CBSO5eg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b54203c1b7b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qgU9HKu4gkEk/04CBSO5eg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_II2dB9ULx30xTKY3ndAAkg)" --Boundary_(ID_II2dB9ULx30xTKY3ndAAkg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,strong signal. antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891. best 73s henny cpm. 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Hi Warren,strong signal.
antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891.
best 73s
henny cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg

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Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:08 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:07 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ACF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ACF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqifxe5KwR5yT3JThSSyDrSdJp8sAARAHpI References: <12077821.1264946261487.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.717;31.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.31.223326 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA2C6.C23F12E9" Subject: AW: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b6607e41f25 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA2C6.C23F12E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Chris,=20 =20 I am not a communication engineer (but a power electronic engineer ;-) ),= so rather an amateur in this field. So my answer is kept simple ;-) =20 In the datasheet of this cable i just found that attenuation is less than= 150dB/km, so abt 3dB for my 20m cable. I have tried a cable of 2m (for in= door tests) and changed the cable to 20m. The difference (e.g. of DCF39 in= the Argo monitor) is less than one S unit. =20 In the moment i use a SFH350V (photo transistor)as the receiver. But recen= tly i read in the web that a photodiode has (significant) less noise. So= i want to try a SFH250V in a next step to reduce the overall noise, proba= bly in combination with a second BF862 in the input stage of the RX. The= SFH250V has even much better switching times. I have already ordered some= of those. I will try this and send the circuit here... =20 The cable i use has a PE shielding which is not suitable to exist 10s of= years in the summer sun. But the distributor told me, it will be no probl= em for some years. And since LF is a living project, this is enough for me= . =20 The losses of the cable must be compensated by a gain of an amplifier with= in the system. This gain is not reached without a noise (e.g. by a OPA) bu= t this noise can be much smaller than the noise that you fed into a sensit= ive RX antenna, i expect. But the main aspect is, that one doesn't have to= worry any more if it could be possible that a noise is fed from the PC/RX= /house to the preamp by the cable. =20 73s, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Chris Trask Gesendet: So 31.01.2010 14:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is > in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use > outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, > please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the > correct format now. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send > the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is > already working vy fine! > That is a very interesting approach to minimizing induced noise on th= e RX cable. What are the loss characteristics of the optical link, includ= ing the diode(s)? 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1697499-1262535520=:86512" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b40c39f28e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal controlle= d oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving the mixer wi= th an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power aspect so no QR= O linears required if you play the game. Then use the readily available So= ftware that can be down loaded for free.... no brain surgery required.=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 There is a way... If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the oscillator. Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating te= h WSPR message and the PIC code The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a standalone manually trigerred mode. Perhaps there's a demand here... WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial port and PIC based dongle... Andy www.g4jnt.com Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/3 Graham : > Roger > > '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' > > That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf > carrier=A0frequency =A0conversion,=A0=A0...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 conv= entional > transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good > if you=A0 have dividing logic in the=A0amplifier =A0drive train , vfo=A0= controlled > or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. > Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... > > G.. > From: Roger Lapthorn > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice > of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use > this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce > to weak signals is likely. > You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >> >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 > > > =20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF044-8be84b4f0f3d9f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 36246380001A9; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOsh-0007q3-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOsh-0007pu-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.220.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVOse-0000K5-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so2849707fxm.29 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:32:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=n+zZwLtPOhy1XugDJa3dFvaeGnykzePFrQWk8KmCaEE=; b=ncAKUw31+3FswOD9Y8ObV1+VuPAyJ4f3A16w5sU/r2tMICnn4dve41gnXWwWunO3Z/ WbearD5lzaQwCw8ZCDrfEdEbHimrdTjrB4p5wtM/g0Ofx6b7Ow9mQ7/cIy8w+atLyAL9 daSGzd1OPIpuqRomZyh59buDzvJhLmAlqYuBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qwZs2gcc/QD0ZgAh7dHViPkkmpQ5toRIffbuO7u26/wALcSMNVGbyraf2G0kuJ7U97 JmPi+1zjdufTm6VNNxGxQZy6No1sE2ybHcqlEchYZNSOh1l1DemD18OYQlIUK8zCkMpU 35PnWzS4koy6J8SrR3G4j7KZYxJyHV7RSwhGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.76 with SMTP id s12mr67138hbh.111.1263472365025; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:32:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4f0f3b23c8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's master oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. Just an example: The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about > 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to > adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the > oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I > start TXing. > > At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature > LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as > his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger > temperature range. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi guys, >> >> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 >> MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >> >> Thanks all the comments. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >> >> Dear LF Group, >>> >>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >>> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>> >>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> 73 de M0BMU >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>> >>> >>> >>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>> >>>> 73, Rik >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
My own QRP transverter goes= from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before settling as= the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial setting= in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running all the ti= me or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz woul= d be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <<= a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past 12= hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885
73, Rik





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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.= uk
= http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 = =A0ISWL G11088

--0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.142]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b6123a01a5; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:41:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8982B38000159; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaN7f-00010F-KP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaN7e-000106-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:54 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaN7c-0002e4-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:54 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD822A03F for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4b61239e40d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, probablly the software measures S/N in the 200Hz bandwith you can see and calculates this number to a 2500HZ bandwith.K1JT cuuld tell us more.I don't see any improvement going down from 2500Hz to 250Hz unless their are strong signals in the 2500Hz filter wich can be rejected by the 250Hz filter.I don't see a reason to go below 200Hz because I want to see all possible stations,this just improves S/N number but you won't decode weaker signals than with a broader filter . 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:00 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Hello Rik,Andy, normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decodes down to -32 dB although rare... 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 all,
 
probablly the software measures S/N in the 200Hz bandwit= h you can see and=20 calculates this number to a 2500HZ bandwith.K1JT cuuld tell us more.I= don't see=20 any improvement going down from 2500Hz to 250Hz unless their are stron= g signals=20 in the 2500Hz filter wich can be rejected by the 250Hz filter.I don't= see a=20 reason to go below 200Hz because I want to see all possible stations,t= his just=20 improves S/N number  but you won't decode weaker signals than wit= h a=20 broader filter .
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 victor13@online.nl
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010= =20 22:00
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE:=20 RE: WSPR Reports

Hello Rik,Andy,
 
normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get de= codes down to -32=20 dB although rare...
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:<= /B>=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik=20 Strobbe
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33
= Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR=20 Reports

Andy,<= /FONT>
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5= kHz (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR= values=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 janua= ri 2010=20 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp:= LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
Probably simpler to to make up a transverte= r - mixer with a xtal controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amp= lification driving the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR= is the Low power aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.= Then use the readily available Software that can be down loaded for free.= ... no brain surgery required. 

73 es GL petefmt

--- On= Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59

There is a way...

If you can arrange an osci= llator so that it can be pulled onto the
four WSPR tone frequencies (se= parated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
This could be as simple as two= resistors, one twice the value of the
other, giving a 2-bit D/A conver= ter, controlling a varicap on the
oscillator.

Then a PIC keyer= can generate the logic level drive.
See    www.g4jnt.com/WSP= RBCNS.ZIP   for details of generating teh WSPR
message= and the PIC code

The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get ac= curate timing, but
with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made= to work in a
standalone manually trigerred mode.

Perhaps there'= s a demand here...

WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC<= BR>http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
A prog could be writ= ten to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
port and PIC based dongle...

Andy=
www.g4jnt.com



Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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= 2010/1/3 Graham <g8= fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Roger
>
> '''  Mor= e people should use WSPR - '''
>
> That's not as  easy as=   it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audio to&nbs= p; rf
> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fine&= nbsp; if you have a  conventional
> transverter , mf exciter or= ham set that works down to  500/137 ...No good
> if you = have dividing logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo  controlled
&= gt; or PIC based without the  'ability'  to  run a wspr&nbs= p; generating  code set ..
> Its a  good  point worth= making though ...
>
> G..
> From: Roger Lapthorn
>= ; Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
> Mal,
>
>= Some suggestions:
>
> More people should use WSPR - lots of= stations (more than 100 at a time
> based on 10MHz usage) are able= to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
> of the band allowin= g very useful data on propagation and station
> performance/changes= to be determined.  This would leave plenty of room
> elsewhere= in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
> Occasional testing= with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of
> interest to= me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to use
> th= is mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference<= BR>> to weak signals is likely.
> You should try a New Year resol= ution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
> less".
>
> 73= s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
>
> Roger G3XB= M
>
>
>
>
> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>>>
>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreadin= g over 3 kcs wide and
>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM to those of us trying to
>> listen and work the East Coast= USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>> station is licensed to work SSB in= such a narrow band allocation.
>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles= swamped by beacons.
>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>= > G3KEV
>>
>
>
> --
> ----------------= ---------------------------------------------
> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/<= BR>> http://www.g3x= bm.co.uk
> G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL= G11088
>
>
>

 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-5eae4b60aada32; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 088093800047B; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF51-0004xz-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF51-0004xq-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF50-0006cK-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NaF4y-0000Ur-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0100 Received: from p57af20ea.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.32.234]:1213 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NaF4x-0005jG-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:35 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acqfh/yN3gYcVC5kRV+S2Zkl6M3gXgADChUg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b60aad51860 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, ..just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM! 210200 8 -21 1.1 -11 29 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ====== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 20:33 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gary,

 

= 230;.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM!

 

210= 200  8  -21  1.1  -11 29 *      CQ G4WGT IO83   &nbs= p;         1   0

 

vy= 73 de Gerhard  //  DK6NI (JN59LN)

 

=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von:<= /span> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] = Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27.= Januar 2010 20:33
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT= 4A

 

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dia= l frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b4a61d9239; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA4B23800017E; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU78r-00070h-OS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU78r-00070Y-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU78q-0001kw-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB2151C002 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9297F3862 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2AD4718056; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 Message-ID: <20100111002406.dhsto910w04gwwc0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4a61d621ed X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Stefan, what most of us try on LF and MF (137kHz / 500kHz) is to optimize the =20 "efficiency" of their station, within the limits they have. Some are lucky and have plenty of place to put up huge antennas. Some build (or buy) high-power PA's. Some use try new modes. I do not see any reason who one of these options would be "more noble" =20 than the other. Just one (fictive) thought: Two radioamateurs attemt to get the best out of their station. The first buys a big antenna, a top class tranceiver and a big PA. He =20 makes his QSO's in CW, probably using a commercial electronic keyer =20 and using the build-in DSP filter of his top class tranceiver. The second one has a homebrew antenna, a modest tranceiver (he hasn't =20 the Euro's to buy a top class one) but tries to get the best out of it =20 by experimenting with new modes, maybe even writing the appropriate =20 software. Who of this two is the true "amateur" ? For some reason anything to improve the signal seems to be acceptable =20 except the visible aid of computers: - buy or build big antennas (and have the property to place them): OK - buy or build big PA's: OK - try new modes using "visible" aid of a computer: no way 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > > WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW =20 > it is the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully =20 > do TA QSOs nw in wspr, congrats! > > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available =20 > with even much better error correction and so on? What, if this =20 > software is so good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the =20 > personal meaning of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect =20 > software that does record and publish everything automatically, is =20 > the QSO then done by you due to your knowledge and your motivation =20 > to built up a good station and the time you (and the QSO partner) =20 > spent to get that contact? Or is it done by the software? Is the =20 > feeling about a confirmed two way contact the same in than in CW? > > If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m =20 > and WSPR accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a =20 > question of time to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf =20 > and so you just have to look if the ODX increased and if not, just =20 > wait some days longer... > > Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW =20 > contact? Really? > > If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still =20 > doing QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that =20 > appears to some of us. > > For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a =20 > choice since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal =20 > that has to be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. =20 > I want to listen (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed =20 > by a human to the same time and want to get a personal information =20 > (not such as 599tu). Anything else is just in the region of a test =20 > that gets boring if the ODX does not increase any more and fast =20 > enough. And all the work will be relativated when the next, of =20 > course better, version comes out... > > In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are =20 > apart to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b4b39bb5f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6558380001B5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULW0-0002tG-G4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULW0-0002t7-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULVw-0006jM-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4GADrISktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbACNVQaOfro6hC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288619040" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: <004601ca92cc$a59a58a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:44:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 update Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b4b39b82a76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now active and worked PA0LCE, PA0AM, PA0A,PE5T, LA3EQ,OZ8NJ, EI0CF,EI6= IZ, SM6BGP, GW3UEP, GM3BST, G3DXZ. These stations are active frequentl= y on 500 CW. Other UK stns pop up occasionally. All acty above is in= CW MODE. Things are looking good for DXCC. de Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now active and worked PA0LCE, PA0AM,= PA0A,PE5T,=20 LA3EQ,OZ8NJ, EI0CF,EI6IZ, SM6BGP, GW3UEP, GM3BST, G3DXZ. These station= s are=20 active frequently on 500 CW. Other UK stns pop up occas= ionally.=20 All acty above is in CW MODE.
Things are looking good for DXCC.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
  
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b561b64132; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:51:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16A37380000A9; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXL2E-0003Gm-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXL2E-0003Gd-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXL2B-0008WA-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0JKoTwu092397 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:50:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:50:28 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100119-0, 01/19/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040007000208040903060307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b561b610d49 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------040007000208040903060307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi Ko, > > Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. > > There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as > there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text > into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. 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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574b4e484b5eda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885 73, Rik Quoting John P-G : > On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this >> signal. >> > > My guess is LA3EQ - has been very unstable, but does decode > occasionally here. > > John > GM4SLV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b537d08111; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6E1438000085; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWcOI-0001gZ-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWcOI-0001gQ-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWcOG-0001WJ-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100117210527.RNGC4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:27 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWcJL-00041U-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:27 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:22 -0000 Message-ID: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqXuMh7SjPZEidWR22q2+uNP7naMA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=iX6xdwkGujUA:10 a=RZ3je0kIN_P3yLHZLxYA:9 a=mb1b8uYwwoQ1W9Lj561LWYeKNoUA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=qaDpohCt4lPy3BVv0nMA:9 a=5pNQ4LA0Wb4HwFG3mboA:7 a=Bd5iv_JQei7-5fEbs3VI9gdc7hMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racal Dana 9084 sig gen - display flashing and no output? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b537d054e48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signal gen but I can't seem to get any output and the frequency display is flashing. I have tried to google for a manual to no avail. Has anyone got a copy of the manual for this unit or can tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance Also - I could do with copies of the manuals for the W & G SPM19, SPM3 and PS60 if anyone has them. I will gladly cover reproduction costs/postage etc With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Dear LF,

 

I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signa= l gen but I can’t seem to get any output and the frequency display is flashing.  &n= bsp;I have tried to google for a manual to no avail.

 

Has anyone got a copy of the manual for= this unit or can tell me what I am doing wrong?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Also – I could do with copies of= the manuals for the W & G  SPM19, SPM3 and PS60 if anyone has them.  I will gl= adly cover reproduction costs/postage etc

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim  G7NKS

 =

 

------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9284b3f642d37b; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:20:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b3f642d37b; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:20:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR5kS-00047q-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR5kS-00047h-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR5kR-0006S3-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from COL122-W6 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:18:28 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 15:18:28.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6514D60:01CA8BBE] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His signal is very= good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His= signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Dal=B9= =ED informace. =3D --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD092-b774b4de9a62fd; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD051-b774b4de9a62fd; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5KV-0004AX-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5KU-0004AO-No for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:18 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV5KS-0000sK-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 4129 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1YGulIu5r227g+PXMhem3oua+BK6U7IqIXvEje1yMzPb20X9uTnymkzOuc2A2VhOI+tUP6Rk0XKp2F1PzPCKVVGLkrKNy9VOQeLdyOA4Fz0tUCH19T0cBr+io4WhAj/SVB5jfN/S5Ph4ZO8oZSxdsW4t2Tz0ISo4um7FEn0rbSY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: Sdh1_EoVM1ncTRephD5QM4UpKL0xARHS9bZYHwZKNTa7B9ICjupsTtGU87qI_JsQnYCqB4__fKEf7DMj3GXo4qoqXKLgvdho9k3uq_ezOyfgxiSaDkCTLW9rVCvI7VgZuJ9N1U649lHcaBPoC2mdoT0XU7qSvHV7eYkWk4T.EwFaDuKg06OgxbE7jVNI35zXK7A7MxmXcq_YNUoOo.Aqy7QaamIv.ZalmSEF41hXoeQJgTjP.EcZbxqL87KGwv9s5VyeGcnMh546sw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <77594C42B7E94BD08ABA1A785B5B1B91@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marco, OK - at the moment I am limited to 200W TX on 136k due to PSU problems, but that should be enough. Will inform you later when I will be QRV. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: LF: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-8b7f4b637d0c1c1; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:27:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B64538000102; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1Ad-0000fE-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1Ad-0000f5-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb1Ab-00056I-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.45.216.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.45.216.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.45.216]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655685E38; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:26:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: John Bruce McCreath In-Reply-To: <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:26:46 -0500 Cc: "& UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European" Message-Id: <35BBBBB3-8938-403F-9F37-6AEEDC3FE283@hurontel.on.ca> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B628BC8.5040701@mail.ru> <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0A WSPRing into VE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b637d0b360b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Lowfers, It seems that the TA path is good this evening, with PA0A again showing up= here on the eastern shore of Lake Huron. I'll leave the rig running throughout the evening and see if= any others appear! 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b3e5c8d10b; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:35:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AE30D38001D4A; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnx1-0001xo-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnx1-0001xf-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:23 +0000 Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQnwy-0005rv-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:22 +0000 Received: from RADIORUM2 (0x3ef3a16d.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk [62.243.161.109]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F002BF84019 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:17:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004401ca8b1f$7ff489e0$6da1f33e@RADIORUM2> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?niels_rudberg_j=F8rgensen?= To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:17:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA0A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b3e58d32eff X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Worked PA0A tonite, this being the first 500-kHz PA-OZ qso. Fine signal from PA0A. QRB slightly more than 500 km. 73 and HNY to all. Niels/OZ8NJ+ ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Worked PA0A tonite, this being the fi= rst=20 500-kHz
PA-OZ qso. Fine signal from PA0A. QRB= =20 slightly
more than 500 km.
73 and HNY to all.
Niels/OZ8NJ+
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b4240af36c; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:25:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4E21F3800E76C; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrti-00012I-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrth-000129-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRrte-0004Do-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4EABXFQUtcG7A5/2dsb2JhbACCFosrBsgygiKCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="259828672" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.176.57]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 18:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: <006f01ca8d6d$c40eb3d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4E66E5A6231D407898A2A06295F842B0@p4> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:43:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Z codes etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b4237156c11 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark My only observations about WSPR is that it is an Appliance Operator mo= de. Set it up go to work or go to bed and check a data base once a yea= r or more often if one desires.=20 I personally do not need WSPR because I can get on a band and after a= short observation make a decision whether the propagation at the time= suits what I want to achieve and commence communications in real time= . To find out later as in using WSPR is pointless because the opportun= ity has passed.=20 How would DXPEDITIOINS implement WSPR when one needs to know at a spec= ific time when to engage a particular band to work particular countrie= s in reral time. WSPR is a store and tell mode and useless except for those that want= to fiddle with machines then leave them unattende and hope for the be= st How did we professional operators manage communications and propagatio= n this past 100 years without WSPR, and still do. WSPR is a toy for those that fumble and get muddled with CW and the= only alternative is Mobile Phone, Internet or Wspr. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: LF: Z codes etc ZKB? ZHP G3KEV ???? ZCS ZAZ=20 For those interested in Z codes http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html Seriously though Mal. You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devo= te hours of your day to policing the lower bands, and actually operati= ng, which must be great. Most of us have other things to do and some= can contribute more by the use of innovative software and systems tha= t allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparable to or bett= er than any human operator, without having to stay glued to the receiv= er. I fully expect to be able to gather enough data from WSPR transmissi= ons eventually to measure the movement and size of propagation 'zones'= and probably other useful data too. I don't expect you to understand= the technicalities, I have only a limited ability in this area, I fin= d the maths hard, but then I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are th= ose in our community who really do understand what the potential is an= d are working hard to realise it.=20 The use of these modes and the potential benefits may be outside you= r interests, but have the courtesy to respect that others actively wis= h to use the band for genuine experimental reasons, rather that just= operating. Some may not even want to have QSOs =20 FWIW, I am also a keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps wit= hout prejudices instilled by my profession, and I am able to operate= and receive weak CW within tens of Hz of other transmissions. If you= are half the operator you claim to be, you too will not be severely= impacted by the usage of a small segment of the band by WSPR or other= machine generated transmissions.=20 A good proportion of my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even ligh= t, is on CW, and it has netted me more DX and first countries from GM= that I can remember. However you will find me on JT65 and JT6M regula= rly on 4m and 6m as it is better for some of the propagation modes I= am interested in.=20 I will be running up a WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with= luck, and will endeavour to provide the grabber and WSPR receive syst= em, 24/7 www.dc2light.co.uk =20 There is room, even in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and inter= ests to be explored without significant conflict. Be happy that the ba= nd is being actively used. =20 You are not going to have regular QSOs with stations like me who wan= t to experiment, as I am not often in a position to break out the key.= When I do have time to operate, it is likely to be on CW, the WSPR sy= stem will be off and I hope to see you there! Happy New Year Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a ba= sic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them gro= wling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data ba= se once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF us= ing CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more= than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together= within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on pr= opagation and station performance/changes to be determined. This woul= d leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowba= nd conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use= it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it'= s not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lo= ng-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more= tolerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------= - http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark
My only observations about WSPR is th= at it is an=20 Appliance Operator mode. Set it up go to work or go to bed and check= a data base=20 once a year or more often if one desires.
I personally do not need WSPR because= I can get on=20 a band and after a short observation make a decision whether the propa= gation at=20 the time suits what I want to achieve and commence communications in= real time.=20 To find out later as in using WSPR is pointless because the opportunit= y has=20 passed.
How would DXPEDITIOINS implement WSPR= when one=20 needs to know at a specific time when to engage a particular band to= work=20 particular countries in reral time.
WSPR is a store and tell &n= bsp;mode and=20 useless except for those that want to fiddle with machines then leave= them=20 unattende and hope for the best
How did we professional operators man= age=20 communications and propagation this past 100 years without WSPR, and= still=20 do.
WSPR is a toy for those that fumble&n= bsp;and get=20 muddled  with CW and the only alternative is Mobile Phone, Intern= et or=20 Wspr.
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 5:43=20 PM
Subject: LF: Z codes etc

ZKB?
 
ZHP G3KEV ????
 
ZCS
 
 
 
 
ZAZ
 
For those interested in Z codes
http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html
 

Seriously though= Mal.=20 You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote hours of= your day=20 to policing the lower bands, and actually operating, which must be= =20 great.  Most of us have other things=20 to do and some can contribute more by the use of innovative sof= tware and=20 systems that allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparab= le to or=20 better than any human operator, without having to stay glu= ed to the=20 receiver.

I fully expect to= be able to=20 gather enough data from WSPR transmissions eventually to measure=20 the movement and size of propagation 'zones'  and pro= bably=20 other useful data too. I don=92t expect you to understand the techni= calities, I=20 have only a limited ability in this area, I find the maths hard= , but then=20 I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are those in our community=  who=20 really do understand what the potential is and are working hard= to=20 realise it. 

The use of these= modes and the=20 potential benefits may be outside your interests, but have the court= esy to=20 respect that others actively wish to use the band for genuine experi= mental=20 reasons, rather that just operating. Some may not even want to have= =20 QSOs

 <= /FONT>

FWIW, I am also a= keen and=20 fairly competent cw operator, perhaps without prejudices instilled= by my=20 profession, and I am able to operate and receive weak CW within tens= of Hz of=20 other transmissions. If you are half the operator you claim to be,= you too=20 will not be severely impacted by the usage of a small segment of the= band by=20 WSPR or other machine generated transmissions. 

A good proportion&= nbsp;of my=20 operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light, is on CW, and it= has=20 netted me more DX and first countries from GM that I can remember.= However you=20 will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly on 4m and 6m as it is better= for some=20 of the propagation modes I am interested in.

I will be running= up a WSPR=20 transmitting station on 500KHz soon with luck, and will en= deavour to=20 provide the grabber and WSPR receive system, 24/7

www.dc2light.co.uk

 <= /FONT>

There is room, eve= n in the=20 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interests to be explored without= =20 significant conflict. Be happy that the band is being actively=20 used.

 <= /FONT>

You are not going= to have regular=20 QSOs with stations like me who want to experiment, as I am not often= in a=20 position to break out the key. When I do have time to operate, it is= likely to=20 be on CW, the WSPR system will be off and I hope to see you=20 there!

 

Happy New Year

Mark GM4ISM=

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 3:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb

ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Soc= ial=20 ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.= net>
This is fantastic news for th= e Appliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended= machines,=20 all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute interv= als.=20 Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.=
I am surprised it is not more= =20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activit= y was by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity= again=20 using CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations= (more than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate to= gether=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determin= ed. =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for= CW and=20 other narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use= it (not=20 UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that= it's=20 not a good idea to use this mode when the band is= open for=20 really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is= likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more= tolerant=20 and moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to= all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB= beacon on 508=20 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon= SM6BHZ is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the= East Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is license= d to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Sha= mbles swamped=20 by beacons.
Does anyone else have an= =20 opinion?
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b58302c91; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E1EF38000049; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXuVI-0004SO-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXuVI-0004SF-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXuVF-0004Uc-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12B57B805A for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CDE31E702 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11209561==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4b58302a56ae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_11209561==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org=20 web site is that a lot af data is available. I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT,=20 G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them=20 in the mill to check how often I copied at least=20 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: I took only the night time spots as I assume that=20 propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small=20 differences in distance are less important. * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger) 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics,=20 but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie=20 fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy= ) 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW=20 ERP is correct that Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ? But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a=20 more realistic) 120mW as well ... * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy) Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: >Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > >Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX=20 >a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > >73 > >Eddie G3ZJO > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM > >Congratulations, "water pistol" >1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > >2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> >Hello Roger, LF! >This moment is just now: > >2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > >2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > >Congratulation! > >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > >---------- >Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?=20 >Dal=B9=ED informace. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database:=20 >270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 --=====================_11209561==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web= site is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied  at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )

All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
 
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
 
73
 
 Eddie G3ZJO
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
 
Congratulations,  "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO0= 2 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
 

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--=====================_11209561==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.206]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b60a5e8112; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:45:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5DB73800008D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEkZ-0004e3-8T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEkY-0004du-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:30 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEkW-0006NK-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:30 +0000 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so144736fxm.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+4axEeN2zV19eRpDpxsr44OiE6slqdwR8Jf5Bs/yjww=; b=L4AUEoQS4DvAnMzYUmcdu/tC12klxShgcUMgjC89SUF5rLx0oj/eqDld/qepGjCCPz axhFk8ywDkh+HUKchp6jxYqyMUJq7DtRUIRxuBBpd5drqlYRYyQ54+5WeEOYiI1kkSGn MWB33wBx0ldf/3KOLyzgPrfwGqYkNaaSF3eB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jvlVmqAcD3fN0ehRTLbxGAIPOc7iegzesxvliAIJAV82f8fq3NGM26xMhMfo+MzlmT YAK//QQTDDaZKy9TAhtu/MaMqlL6KX/fFZXHsH6285zkyijxZRlIDyU8wtFA3ZIqgqs+ t7QSSkYS0WGu0jkZZlPHeQ30hmtOa/5Dotat0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.19 with SMTP id f19mr1191934hbg.35.1264625061337; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4b60a5e64dd6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Andy, > > maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). > If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get > a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. > Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to > get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [ > andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR Reports > > Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a > just a case of being in a very quiet location... > These are pretty impressive S/N values > > > 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 > F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 > 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 > 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 > -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 > 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI > JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 > IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
=A0
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.=A0=A0= Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by= pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection proces= s, and upsets sync recovery.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
=A0
maybe=A0the "magic&= quot; lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a=A0significant increase in= SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlem= ail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
=A0
=A0
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J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.208]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-86284b5c20d83e0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:28:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97D8A38000071; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzhB-0003uD-El for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzhA-0003u3-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:52 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzh9-0006ap-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:52 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100124102745.FHNF4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:45 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzh1-0004KB-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:45 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:41 -0000 Message-ID: <00b601ca9cdf$dc5330c0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acqc24Zk64oKtabwRkCbocQ4k3pmCAAA9zjA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=Xe9lXaYBuTUA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=sM9o4fZmomUROB6xvIsA:9 a=K8sqNxLVqfRUlJCRd9gA:7 a=pgCIpeIVx4VG-O_29ondPqf_-HUA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=qkV2PzlZyXVB4PRd:21 a=J3P3ZhIc4SpHAi0D:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=eeuRTDgHSEXUkVsFjD4A:9 a=fli7n8cZ8iN2qLtCti4A:7 a=dlSWpRwRI1DWetvSc_9LknY9d1UA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d04b5c20d62ecd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eddie I have a trace of your QRSS using DM780 on 503.218. Time 10.25z My locator is IO92ub. Rx. IC706mk2g Ant Inverted L 7m vertical/28m top hat radial, fed via 400uH tapped coil and impedance txfrmr On the DM780 trace you are showing as faintish yellow line but steady and visible This is of course assuming you were/are Txing at this time! With best regards Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 09:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi, Eddie. I'll put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception. 73, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Eddie

 

I have a trace= of your QRSS using DM780 on 503.218.  

 

Time 10.25z

 

My locator is= IO92ub.  

 

Rx. IC706mk2g&n= bsp;

Ant Inverted L= 7m vertical/28m top hat radial, fed via 400uH tapped coil and impedance txfrmr

 

On the DM780 tr= ace you are showing as faintish yellow line but steady and visible

 

This is of cour= se assuming you were/are Txing at this time!  

 

 

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 = <= /p>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:56
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE= : 500KHz Altoids MEPT on

 

Hi,= Eddie.

 

I'l= l put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception.=

 

73,= Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 00:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: 50= 0KHz Altoids MEPT on

Hi= Dave

 

Tha= nks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation= but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner.<= /span>

 

I= will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200m= W .

 

73<= /span>

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: 23 January 2010= 20:39
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz= Altoids MEPT on

&nb= sp;

Well, Eddie,

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I think I saw something....= it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't grea= t on 500 kHz.

&nb= sp;

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

----= -Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010= 13:56
To: knightsqrss@cnts.be= ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Alt= oids MEPT on

I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Alt= oids size units Driver – PA – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

&nb= sp;

Frequency 503.22KHz

&nb= sp;

Modulation QRSS3 FSK

&nb= sp;

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

&nb= sp;

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts<= /span>

&nb= sp;

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical<= span lang=3DEN-GB>

&nb= sp;

ERP >=3D 1mWatt

&nb= sp;

All reports very welcome

&nb= sp;

Eddie= G3ZJO

&nb= sp;

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b864b4a41d883; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b864b4a41d883; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:08:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU50i-0005WS-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU50h-0005WJ-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:43 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU50b-0004ic-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:43 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Jan 2010 21:07:08 -0000 Received: from p5DD347CD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.71.205] by mail.gmx.net (mp064) with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 22:07:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ntJQHi4QnZAPPsyvBBbCEHab5a73jSXsgxBlo/k zCQVuHTrgvBWTt Message-ID: <010901ca9238$dede87b0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <001901ca922a$2b2335d0$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48,0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That was me. 2009-12-19 21:44 G7NKS 0.503847 +12 -1 IO92ub 0.1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 1020 108 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Hi Roger I have managed 1020km D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired. TF3 would be great though. 73s Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.132/2611 - Ausgabedatum: 01/10/10 08:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was me.
 2009-12-19 21:44   G7NKS   0.503847   +12   -1   IO92ub   0.1   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   1020   108 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 8:21=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Link budget= calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Hi=20 Roger

&= nbsp;

I have= managed=20 1020km  D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired.   TF3= would be=20 great though.

&= nbsp;

73s

&= nbsp;

Jim

&= nbsp;

<= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on=20 WSPR

 

Certainly= GM4SLV has a much lower noise=20 floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about= 10dB lower,=20 so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many=20 others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at= -18dB S/N=20 at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so= assuming=20 another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop"= under=20 favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot= me on a=20 good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC= says he=20 might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is=20 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will=20 be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propa= gation=20 theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= o:p>

 Dear=20 LF,

Has anyone any=20 ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget= for WSPR=20 over a set distance?

As it seems I can=20 get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting=20 with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB th= en is=20 there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculatin= g the=20 Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna=20 configuration?

Clearly, there are=20 differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio= between=20 two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or es= timate at=20 least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance wit= h other=20 known signals.

If I can do 916km=20 with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining=  8dB=20 or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same= capability=20 as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to= factor for=20 the dB difference over known paths/signals?=

Thanks in advance=20 for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great=20 2010

With= best=20 regards

 

 

Jim<= /o:p>

 

 

Dr.= James Cowburn=20 G7NKS

E james.= cowburn@virgin.net

 

 




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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854b41c83c24e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, MGY - last legal transmission April 15th 1912 IBHE - last legal transmission Dec. 2nd 1994. So all protests of my former colleagues against amateurs on 600 mtrs become more and more reasonable to me. Sorry. HNY GL Joerg, DL3NRV > Von: "M0FMT" > Gesendet: 03.01.10 18:07:34 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? > > Hi Mal and LF > > I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the > 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fully > licenced station within their own respective territories. > > 73 es GL petefmt > --- On *Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton * wrote: > > From: mal hamilton > Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 > > WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty > over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE > MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or otherwise? > g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a374b4e82902e9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:34:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG101-a374b4e82902e9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFVw-0006Rg-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFVw-0006RX-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:48 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVFVt-0005C1-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 1071 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=IbVw4Q7/0q3K89N9V4ahJngC6N8jS/B2zmMbktySrGxUvUamD08gcevXsBScjgDliGRs81hvGN4Z6AtuRhLnuSc52BliDNrTIJHc8SpNoMzQ/SVHjV6auKZDpJ+bkUrsUPKRSC06zFxfuv5kgT6Hl/8XhrHRC4gG+198ebBuvro= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: xJrKS.UVM1mlgGcCb7IIEQa7i1sNzGlr3IW0Nr6tBJq8lRwOxAbqj_5DcpGkCKrPgruRxJ7OV2o8f9LT_1zHkB6JZ_VNn4ePKDREnB0KZy7RXNEBXR0JzFRs6jFJZpv90d2QWnh8Mm8HpZI7se.uzghLAGNCIdBJYbqOLblCHiEEwJ5pnuw0ad4QFw9uMpnsZLib3HZY3w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqUwdbfmFTTZTkXQNiZJWLsdGDb4Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/29 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the grid and await the call. 02:20 503950 -31 <...> EN91QU 33 73, Lee M0LMH IO93gx. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b4b815793; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:51:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C051538000235; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQHv-0005Mm-G1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQHv-0005Md-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQHs-0000YF-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BJoeVE016449 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:40 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c63.5e7cb34e (43895) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.2]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC058-d3864b4b80fbac; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:36 -0500 Received: from magic-m05.mail.aol.com (magic-m05.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.76]) by smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC026-d3864b4b80fbac; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:19 -0500 From: kkorn42@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 92.227.83.219 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b4b81546443 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this musical background) you should also state the end of this song! You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you? 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this= musical=20 background) you should also state the end of this song!
You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you?
73
de
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 --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b45da28145; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:57:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9210F38000102; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSru7-0001xT-II for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSru7-0001xK-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSru5-0007IJ-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so12210567pwj.4 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:55:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IODZi6dMveQzyN0vG5J+4sTkGrpOVBpD6bxCVmindWk=; b=rOtqm0H6Oa6qWqcnIdqPT+OZIdvvItzSMzS5umEumddlLU0UyIZyaB/Vj/VHkA+2vC tI9iNRdHH7GlWoA09VPhzIlXE7Q1uNXtpbgcODdS9Rj/XK0cbHFLwFVSlRqh77JGl0nL S4VB9SjiZnvCGywco0BjLGsef46mdjhg8U5yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cJUlTEnFs6ws51M2SfMRyg/VP2Ws1bQ/F5noxVdeVqfcYB3npwJgNDQvAQpw1gwZWE yVnlSLPhOhaYlxNtoT7AzgS14iL+R7fc+c8P3uzQmnUf4DK3hXHiQkTACOcLn2lSNH2+ yPGq/z5s1Fgfm7G9PfL+gEhz98TNFttMZEF2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.16 with SMTP id b16mr9432406rvn.96.1262868944942; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:55:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:55:44 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ef5e125415134080 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001070455s62bcc5e5wb675694ea9b4d312@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b45da2636de X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Jim & Group, Perhaps it was just as simple as the 12th Day Of Christmas (6th January). The signal was strong enough to be local. Too much to expect that it was some rare DX. Probably one of the usual Xmas or NY beaconers with a seasonal sense of humour. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/7 James Moritz > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the actual > "12th test" message probably just means something between the 11th test and > the 13th test ;-) > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > MF grp >> This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to >> some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if >> someone >> thinks it is NE from EU. >> > > > --000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Jim & Group,

Perhaps it was just as simple as= the 12th Day Of Christmas (6th January).

The sig= nal was strong enough to be local. Too much to expect that it was some rar= e DX. Probably one of the usual Xmas or NY beaconers with a seasonal sense= of humour.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/7 James Moritz <james.mo= ritz@btopenworld.com>
Dear Mal, LF Group,

If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the= actual "12th test" message probably just means something betwee= n the 11th test and the 13th test ;-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS


MF grp
This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to<= br> some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if someon= e
thinks it is NE from EU.



--000325561462dc7557047c9296a2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b637ac33e4; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:18:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61C53380000F7; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb10i-0000RX-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb10h-0000RO-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:23 +0000 Received: from web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.143]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb10e-0004yU-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 32665 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264810574; bh=Odg57IdNAN2cmDcLU/9BqZxQToqPXLIHd42jfTl68n4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iiGn7ly3vLqqc5kl7oW5duhk0v1PAzC6pP6ubuCpiojYRrqey4SRfwa/+AW0Rdc+aj5Jw3MkEPy8K+CFqw9zLSt5LWxaewBCNuplFfilHGbuTNdTK3HZZxFRShM2ml0fr9n4GhKxZEKU0OEUwDREfarWhtpgYQLGPZzKpYpmD3Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EZP6JSHt29zxMjKFnIcBtsIi4TpCllgliH/Uqlz1KE/NOEtRMSRcWZvpROclVTnnc3GX+vcHp7pLymNmWPZorokmvteOvSgC6F2Lpb1tsftPl5xrVSK/CBlxq6uyfw2S0dTuebgdt+3EduK7nhydGsp0MWd28Cmm9JKBqR2PPdY=; Message-ID: <898423.27136.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Sur.EKUVM1mMTIjd4._r1o7jNYzTYhMcdMbPYIfx5Vooz8pqJSjBgFlJLbXlMQ5OtkNJ0q4MmIA8i.WujeawLluvwFm_WIXb5HO.pnC4U..lerns4wrsKbOrdSP.tHeOVJn.mdG8gRFjvUEV0Wz.sBoWpnVcV9Jnt2fLRQhNqP7Y4xCBkOjmBqdlgsckSfoSE3wAURrXppWgQZvHA1tj_PNm9n2QXQaIwYFZRdnIkUhQ.FvTbd9PeDTJGJGoGFUvVkqA5Odypk9Gyx5opdLtB__ATri.k_HP Received: from [81.151.210.32] by web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_COMMENT=0.294,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: YXM 136.3193 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-269381576-1264810574=:27136" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b637ac26924 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-269381576-1264810574=:27136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I'd join in! Dave G3YXM IO92bk --0-269381576-1264810574=:27136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Dave G3YXM IO92bk
--0-269381576-1264810574=:27136-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b648b4220; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:40:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 46E7A380000E3; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJAF-0003jQ-0d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJAE-0003jH-Ls for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:26 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJAC-0002ma-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 50808 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264880358; bh=muM7sp5tofTNVOUyHrNBOHCVEx+5/gV9xyTzcCZ3Tok=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hKBJvig70HaDLKXNwtWRn37IKtxGBj0BDWC5cbOtYV+/Z6ejKYdTS+EQHdtam6nu6x96bvFc/t54/Vn/ofHI1d6Kz6JMK8/OpJGXOg5SAIz4MKsWWAnDrJHiTYtbpD0Wcp+82dzWh88fCViiD/aAGxGhb7NDn9D+PyxRgY0r+MQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E3osNcEch6X1pUx/DI70DckuwVjuIjO5wj0havl1Ma05rnzleolZo5f/XhvaDizkfpdQ7MXc9qYWQ+k3VipB0fQHsSkcz0w9OjVkit3op/MJ6038DA4peAIpTsOEdm5NGSVhFhCFomHszOtIFy8Aap8UB5KMJub1Ru0+Fzzy32o=; Message-ID: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OIqoh4UVM1k8ZmBQeCDz_MvYpyaCgQfy0RHVq_re4qW_lHqKTDVJUu.oeuWGtKJfiFuN46tpxrGC7p8wrWKfi0sfY4MdnyyhWTIN3na0VA_imSCUm4ozSGDr6ACI8PVUi1pNQfUHwtiSFgHZQHs5Yh1OMZvzAxITJsCMT3z5OtfsHIdl.qJmQ5FkRpYH1rNNsm9i797uYNv9X3kk3emT22Kku_S2ZCCD9XXB2sLDBlCgWhI.4M00VpTYirs4DyCVAQ6pxbmWD9XfWTwBkj26c_l.Zw2w2aom_am6tk3ejOcOENj3cdbdXvFG_JIX2xwX9ksByDmMrAh6qg40wj6sFwZmKpCJtn9nuSg- Received: from [213.122.1.75] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b648b411f6b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > =20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. > =20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. > =20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > =20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5ba4b5a2a4053; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:44:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG041-5ba4b5a2a4053; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:44:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSDd-0004Lo-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSDc-0004Lf-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYSDZ-0008BU-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1501966bwz.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:42:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xmYRE5ylIOkY9XKjrfpGKiSTxTWtIAFyYgoGHG+tFos=; b=gVY8wh32fEfBQwzM/neFGKBNE3UjXWEaCEOpbwg0a4Db7HA9lAiPSVFf/yyu0LT8pN jDvjPRaqLF17mxcWA+iXfQWD/g0+PTSuzDSewvG/9B0Wd7sUBb3ed/2CrJPZajX2tEQl 8+DJ42uzi0lupR82SEcyMTDedoDjfRKtoP9TY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Mh9b+4vXY9f35Iu3KFYyjeXmraF1f3YwTfwWrCWh+xQA5OwJ+5WhkfaMrN8i8hq+mq qBLY4NCozKmqRn/qQpjAqkN5yGZbK802MC+c3chIJU2oMfIKd4JYuGUaVI+lC/A4sRjK t6bibeb1L1yZNJuEACqUKwiCyHsdzWkQur4JI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr2058121bka.72.1264200178558; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:42:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:42:57 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001221442s1c63ef58u4f578f19d5ee37ef@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843a917238047dc88a06 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843a917238047dc88a06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is a mode I shall have to try next! I did not get any decodes earlier in the week when I tried, so I need to experiment to see what has to be adjusted. BTW, my WSPR beacon will *not* be on overnight tonight. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > Rik, > > Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. > > If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, right > click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth > to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal > first. That will exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting > indicated by the red marker line on the scale at the top. > > Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon catch on > :-)) > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > >> Gary, >> >> OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). >> But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. >> I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good >> value would be 20 or more). >> Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the >> trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.) >> most of the time it is still decoding Jim. >> Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) as >> Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> Rik, >>> >>> That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. >>> >>> 73, Gary - G4WGT >>> >>> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >>> >>> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >>> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >>> Sync = 9 >>> dB = -2 >>> DT = 0.0 >>> DF = -107 >>> W = 33 >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>>: >>> >>> Hello Gary, Jim, >>> >>> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >>> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >>> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >>> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >>> M0BMU". >>> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >>> manual, so it is intuitive use. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >>> >>> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843a917238047dc88a06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a mode I shall have to try next! I did not get any decodes earlier= in the week when I tried, so I need to experiment to see what has to be= adjusted.

BTW, my WSPR beacon will not be on overnight ton= ight.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/22 Gary -= G4WGT <g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk>
Rik,

Thanks for the report & pleased you are gettin= g decodes now.

If you click the mouse on the &quo= t;Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down &am= p; click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandp= ass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will= exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by= the red marker line on the scale at the top.

Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but yo= u will soon catch on :-))

=
73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be><= /span>
Gary,

OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail).
But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy.
I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good valu= e would be 20 or more).
Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the= trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.= ) most of the time it is still decoding Jim.
Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value= (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>>

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =A0figu= res WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuv= en.be>>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

















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--00032555843a917238047dc88a06-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a1f4b4a33a8262; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:08:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b4a33a8262; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:08:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU44G-00051y-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU44G-00051p-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU44E-0004O5-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13506299bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:07:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OH6T8NBXgTwsu+gSll6VB2nZHJXoqNn+u9Oepr/62zk=; b=wzv/qcGQXW99hJVb8cEoigFW9jb7zeM7Vj+ywKNHGItIzydw87xlgnpOScX/7b4JWc wa/ip8j5oS9asYgdwQpjyBRushdEYhSgYvZUYkzH9uPZ/CCqIRzOvGM0rNf7cbWteioK 4RTw8szElYQWzj1ZKPn5leHJ9BAY9mg/b8gn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XqTcuqxZ/0R24JaAOKydhTsrv7eIpC0QfBatU4POc6P3afMwa9GGZ6ojcOSVufe0yJ 8tvAu6oWyRbxnAQrZEs0N6LA7m7Aoog7QZhxi7uxMCDCpoliT1tNRb9U9wfgvalQnppT wpLnkPorQjRYUlms65EXeeRO7Nhpjubehfb+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.35.139 with SMTP id p11mr2654344bkd.178.1263154031233; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:07:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101207h50771441vcf080fe7857f81b8@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: The power of WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d272.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As an illustration of why I am so "sold" on WSPR, take this example from a few minutes ago when a single transmission burst with my ultra-tiny 1mW ERP station resulted in no less than 8 simultaneous reports from around Western Europe. This sort of report tells me a great deal. WSPR is an *extremely*useful mode! TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGridPwrReporterRGridkmaz 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0BMU IO91vr 69 210 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 G3JKV IO91uf 123 199 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -23 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL-SWL JO52hp 701 83 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503919 -19 0 JO02dg 0.001 G7NKS IO92ub 46 240 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001 GM4SLV IP90gg 896 354 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 OR7T JO20ix 337 113 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -21 0 JO02dg 0.001 G0KTN IO81ti 210 242 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -19 1 JO02dg 0.001 M0LMH IO93gx 223 329 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an illustration of why I am so "sold" on WSPR, take this exam= ple from a few minutes ago when a single transmission burst with my ultra-= tiny 1mW ERP station resulted in no less than 8 simultaneous reports from= around Western Europe. This sort of report tells me a great deal. WSPR is= an extremely useful mode!

TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGrid PwrReporterRGridkmaz
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-18=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0M0BMU= =A0=A0IO91vr=A0 =A069=A0=A0210=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-24=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G3JKV= =A0=A0IO91uf=A0 =A0123=A0=A0199=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-23=A0 =A01=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0DL-SW= L=A0 =A0JO52hp=A0=A0701=A0=A083=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503919=A0=A0-19=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G7NKS= =A0=A0IO92ub=A0 =A046=A0=A0240=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-26=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0GM4SL= V=A0 =A0IP90gg=A0=A0896=A0=A0354=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-24=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0OR7T= =A0=A0JO20ix=A0 =A0337=A0=A0113=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-21=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G0KTN= =A0=A0IO81ti=A0 =A0210=A0=A0242=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-19=A0 =A01=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0M0LMH= =A0=A0IO93gx=A0 =A0223=A0=A0329=A0

73s
Roger G3XBM

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I can only get a couple= of volts into a 50ohm load mal/g3kiev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Will do! I am getting several decodes of your "G4WGT QRZ" call all= at around -15dB. There is another occasional signal on evens but no= t decoding =20 I am running 10W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and= 30m top hat). I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around 0.5% to= 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW. =20 =20 With best regards =20 Jim =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A =20 Jim, =20 Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a sign= al sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary =20 Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. =20 I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards =20 Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any comp= uter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A =20 Rik, & Andy, =20 Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. =20 Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield. =20 If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sh= ort period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the= moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watt= s RF. =20 Let me know. =20 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regi= ons 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe =20 Gary, =20 solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding= ? =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF,=20 =20 Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300= kHz USB. =20 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CAA006.82D7A920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim
How do u get 10w out from the 706 on= 500 kcs. I can=20 only get a couple of volts into a 50ohm load
mal/g3kiev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 9:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz= JT4A

Will= do!  =20 I am getting several decodes of your =93G4WGT QRZ=94 call all at aro= und -15dB.=20   There is another occasional signal on evens but not=20 decoding

&= nbsp;

I am= running 10W from=20 ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat).=20    I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around = 0.5% to 1%=20 eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW.

&= nbsp;

 =

With= best=20 regards

 =

Jim

 

From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary -= =20 G4WGT
Sent: 27 Ja= nuary 2010=20 21:44
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz=20 JT4A

 

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace &= the decoder is=20 indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB= may bring=20 you up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.<= /P>

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= o:p>

Hi=20 Gary

 = ;

Just= got two decodes=20 of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 = ;

I hav= e replied with=20 my call and locator on odd minute txing

With= best=20 regards

 

Jim<= /o:p>

 Dr. James=20 Cowburn

E james.= cowburn@virgin.net

&= nbsp;

= The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you are=20 not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must no= t read=20 this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other= use of, or=20 taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities=20 other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently,= this=20 email is not intended to be contractually binding.
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<= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Gary - G4= WGT
Sent: 27 Ja= nuary 2010 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz=20 JT4A

 

Rik, &=20 Andy,

 

Thanks for your=20 report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's=20 query.

 

Well there has not=20 been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon= &=20 continue to see if there is a report from further=20 afield.

 

If you want to try=20 for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30= minutes, my=20 power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your go= od report=20 I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me=20 know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy=20 Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz=20 )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed= to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dis= solving=20 the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik=20 Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 =

Gary,

 =

solid=20 copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But=20 the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair=20 copy.

Any=20 idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding=20 ?

 =

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] na= mens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010= =20 20:33
Aan:=20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp:=20 LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

 =

Running JT4A=20 this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz=20 USB.

 =

73, Gary - G4WGT=20 -=20 IO83qo

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CAA006.82D7A920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME083-9cf4b410b4822b; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME083-9cf4b410b4822b; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:25:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXw3-0006Cc-MP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXw3-0006CT-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRXw2-0006YD-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o03LOAIa001245 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:10 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cbb.46e13c39 (34942) for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA053-5c3e4b410af313; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:24:05 -0500 Received: from magic-m12.mail.aol.com (magic-m12.mail.aol.com [172.21.145.214]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB034-5c3e4b410af313; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:24:04 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:03 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 77.201.223.189 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Chris,dave=20 =20 Yes DTL =3D F4DTL. =20 Good evening.... F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 03/01/2010 21:20:41 Paris, Madrid, =20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com a =E9crit : Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here on= =20 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not identif= ied=20 yet.=20 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. =20 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Hello Chris,dave
 
Yes DTL =3D F4DTL.
 
Good evening....
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 03/01/2010 21:20:41 Paris, Madrid,=20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com a =E9crit :
Station sending 'DTL' over and over aga= in in=20 QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station= approx.=20 1Hz lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
 
 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5dc4b4605b23ae; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:03:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG075-5dc4b4605b23ae; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:03:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSung-0002a2-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSung-0002Zr-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSune-00006i-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 79399 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 16:01:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HJIF38XDiXCxmoTEiRO6y5e1uRadpj9tH7NTpEC8PZ0kgh8qCYTW+XKAl8ia6hVj7atUG+djATFMqiPZjuryIzpdj3Q/znAyB/Zjul4JvWYSbFRTAdfzxxrGPFLqhKXCgBVipg71ARWsExLI3kkB2DKByQX77fkRztJ7z/FfY9Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 16:01:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: JhjpFbQVM1m3q6atYELJxeZy0XC0rNEFFG6XYOFJ4HgGJ5htTPtOT69sTYUVcoHWZsaF1Iz2fSxgFLvwWjxI0jBoORaw1v3F2crebAM0tjZb50I_erDp9v8NGAPVg_diM08OAQboCGTrvNDWpg1PTm.8Hqu3bZZhMdxG24QTKTGRJqU_TLFojY2JHqUforsl.NNXQh3RKGGVutu_KO2hAkHvGs6DEgPTyjADW6MrUfqmKA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:01:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPR reception at M0BMU Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I have been running a dedicated WSPR receiver and PC more or less full time for the past few weeks on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" (other frequencies possible if requested), with loggings uploaded to the WSPRnet database. It is good to see there have recently been a few new countries QRV in WSPR mode, including EI6IZ, LA3EQ/P and PA3FNY. Some info for stations looking at their spots in the database - The 500kHz receive antenna here is currently a phased vertical/loop combination which is necessary to reject local QRM. It produces a single deep null on a bearing of about 90degrees from here. The directional pattern only makes a few dB difference to signals from most directions, but obviously signals coming from the east , e.g. from ON, PA, DL, are heavily attenuated and will show low values of SNR as a result. An omnidirectional antenna would be preferable from the propagation study point of view, but unfortunately the noise level would be increased by at least 20dB, and many of the weaker signals would then be undetectable. So this seems the best option at the moment. The WSPR receiver is an RA1792 with an old 400MHz laptop. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b58660136c; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:34:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0396380000FD; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXy6B-0005hu-S6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXy6B-0005hl-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXy69-0006Dx-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcNALH0V0tUDZoT/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYc2vFYIjB2CRgiBbgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,317,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280862046" Received: from host-84-13-154-19.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.154.19]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2010 14:33:17 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9aa6$ac0b49b0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9AA6.AC0B49B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b5865fe3c42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9AA6.AC0B49B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik =20 Thanks for looking up that information and sharing it. It is so good when the figures work out logically. I have been careful not to make excessive claims of my ERP as has Roger. I try to take account of any slight improvements I make. A good thing because any silly claims woul= d have been blown out of the water by the actual figures. =20 There is one more comparison, that of my ERP against G4JNT. Andy averages 23dB more than me; his ERP is stated as 0.2W, 30dB more than mine. This discrepancy is in the same direction as the JNT =96 XBM example, we need that 6dB standard dev again. =20 Interestingly the RF at 50ohm difference G4JNT 100Watts, G3ZJO 1Watt= is 20dB. I would fully expect my antenna to be 10dB worse than Andy=92s. =20 Most interesting. =20 73 =20 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 21 January 2010 10:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs =20 Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af data is available. I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Rog= er) 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference= of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy) 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ? But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as well ... * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of An= dy) Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! 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Thanks for loo= king up that information and sharing it. It is so good when the figures work out logically. I have= been careful not to make excessive claims of my ERP as has Roger. I try to take acc= ount of any slight improvements I make. A good thing because any silly claims= would have been blown out of the water by the actual figures.<= /p>

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There is one= more comparison, that of my ERP against G4JNT. Andy averages 23dB more than me; his ERP is stated= as 0.2W, 30dB more than mine. This discrepancy is in the same direction as the= JNT – XBM example, we need that 6dB standard dev again.

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Interestingly= the RF at 50ohm difference G4JNT 100Watts, G3ZJO 1Watt is 20dB. I would fully expect my antenna to be= 10dB worse than Andy’s.

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Most interesti= ng.

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73 =A0=A0=A0

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Eddie= G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Rik Strobbe
Sent: 21 January 2010= 10:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: about guns= , water pistols and dripping tabs

 

Eddie, Andy, Rog= er, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af data is avai= lable.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied  at least= 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Rog= er)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference= of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200u= W =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of= Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of An= dy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )
All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
 
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
 
73
 
Eddie G3ZJO
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= br>  
Congratulations,  "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbo= b@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5 &nb= sp; 0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corner of a garden. For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at > a modest height around 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a19a6714dc047d2278e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local= church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA there will= be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna= would only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el bea= m antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA. Maybe th= ey'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/1= 4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wav= e dipole on=20 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
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--00032555a19a6714dc047d2278e7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG014-5ee4b50cd903e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b50cd903e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVsbR-0005ry-F9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVsbQ-0005rp-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVsbO-0006LH-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak4FAAtcUEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACCFdhHhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,284,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299316927" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 20:16:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00b501ca961f$a367c580$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005201ca9614$d4238390$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:16:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALIAS DFCW it has being used here for years de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hi Dave I can't remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second= Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots below, Space on the centre= line. In a way the 9 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly= since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dots. Likewise the inter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse= which climbs in frequency for each Dash and descends for each Dot. Th= is in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to read. Which lead= me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre lin= e for a Dash and below the line for a Dot. As far as I know this has been very little used, however, blow me th= e Bloodhound read it allJ=20 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 15 January 2010 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and= Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand= my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date:= 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ALIAS DFCW it has being used her= e for=20 years
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Friday, January 15, 201= 0 6:59=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-= QRSS3

Hi=20 Dave

 

I can= =92t remember if=20 it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes abov= e a centre=20 line, Dots below, Space on the centre line.

 

In a= way the 9=20 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can= break up=20 and appear to be 2 Dots.

 

Likewi= se the inter=20 unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in fr= equency=20 for each Dash and descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of= bandwidth=20 and difficult to read.  Which lead me to develop Step Morse whi= ch steps=20 up and down above the centre line for a Dash and below the line for= a=20 Dot.

As far= as I know this=20 has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it= =20 allJ<= /SPAN>

 

Eddie

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Dave=20 Pick
Sent: 15 Jan= uary 2010=20 16:51
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF:=20 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3

 

= Hello=20 Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with=20 equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3z= jo <g3zjo@npton.plus.co= m>

LF=20 Group

 

Yesterday I increased=20 my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the= QRPp 13uW=20 ERP has reached its limits.

 



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------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b4b6dae3a2; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A7B03800015F; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOyj-0004wz-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOyj-0004wq-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.34]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOyh-0008Ph-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0BIQgGm090711 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:26:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:26:37 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA to ALS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b4b6dac551a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Albert, Congratulations on this major achievement. Maybe your signal will get to Japan as well. If anybody there should be able to listen early in our evening. Could you please tell us what kind of antenna you are using and the power involved for your WSPR transmissions? Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-862a4b60afd684; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 143893800019B; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFPc-0005QC-9L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFPb-0005Q2-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:55 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFPZ-0006uL-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:55 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C474051C003 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.12]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54AAF3862 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.12]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Thread-Index: Acqfkl/WM5oaYw4eTymcmExnrJ45LQABEMXY Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b60afd22b51 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, I am using a Kenwood TS440 where the AGC cannot be disabled. Strong signal= s and/or QRM-QRN ofter affect the AGC, but far less at 270Hz bandwidth. Maybe the AGC action affects on the reported SNR values. I believe that Andy (F6CNI) also is on the reflector, so he might reveal= the secret. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.46H= z noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most= likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non= -gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and upse= ts sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a sig= nificant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to= get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a ju= st a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub = +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy,<= /font>
 
I am using a Kenwood TS4= 40 where the AGC cannot be disabled. Strong signals and/or QRM-QRN ofter= affect the AGC, but far less at 270Hz bandwidth.
Maybe the AGC action&nbs= p;affects on the reported SNR values.
 
I believe that Andy (F6C= NI) also is on the reflector, so he might reveal the secret.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
 
 
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@= googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. &n= bsp; Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted= by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection pro= cess, and upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
 
maybe the "mag= ic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase= in SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Ta= lbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.c= om]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-a96a4b5b078b3cf; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AA17F38000117; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgxI-0005cn-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgxI-0005ce-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgxB-0003dg-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so297527fxm.29 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gTLkI0E+wlLZTBXeFqF63zHc+ygzx8risUS9EsZ2qwU=; b=oQUIepvVRVZmX//dP7/6B43K3PcXcYJUC2Akyz0qc7Ij0NHQfXs7JRC7HTQfpvmM/9 dUAjNKSCdE8GcvRprnewt4aisikbM0OmR6isd8FLTFYqZpEO7JJUKq8HaOrtc3DP0RcJ YQ6tl7ud4oaVHhtJhjXmFRPRE9O8so+9XJKsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=snIpIU6bHK9vdWrQXV4BnDJ529hWWoorJaXYTxDGerW7Ql+nrXLBdeSlAxvih/P/+I lqxOIkLzxJPZFYtEkYxbbp1ltrjPOi2r4nD2w7J9VnMDZgIwSfZGGYqHrtBpVxOkL3X/ v0HJZ0NE9cF/hUnyAaS57mEN6sgBLIg510HQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.74 with SMTP id t10mr462224hbg.85.1264256817659; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:26:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:26:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b5b07893732 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A > in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have > managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. > > Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or > something similar that I might understand, please? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz fro= m central Scotland ht= tp://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html=A0 Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided= accurate timing information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@= gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on the WSJT webs= ite there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume= it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the= past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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=
http://g3xbm-= qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.213]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-a21f4b6337c41d9; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:32:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D95B38000224; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NawY2-0007wA-Dc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NawY2-0007w1-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NawY1-0003Ir-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100129193023.CKUA4474.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100129193023.CSGS13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:23 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B633749.12700.11FE6C2@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gX2mFmkG4-teuEUwUY8A:9 a=_19iQvCbkT7TLQSgyMDnO3Bl0iYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: XDV 136.32 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54b6337c26dbc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz from 1930UTC tonight to around 0900 tomorrow morning. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-91c4b4259c7326; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:12:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD084-91c4b4259c7326; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuD7-0001sk-Ta for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuD7-0001sb-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuD5-00050I-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from UMS02-SMTP1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o04LBP3a021581 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:11:25 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:11:18 Message-ID: <06A407DA0104150B122F4@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Who? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Chris, yes its me. the callsign in full length goes with the transmission. the qrg is 136,31896x kHz. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: c.ashby435@btinternet.com To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 04.01.2010 21:05:07 Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-90b4b4db12e15e; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:40:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b4b4db12e15e; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:40:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV1Ys-0003Cz-9D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV1Yr-0003Cq-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV1Yp-0007Vb-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAN8/TUtOki2u/2dsb2JhbACNXAbIRoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,267,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="292243481" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.146.45.174]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 11:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the= operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characte= ristics like in class E mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know if the series L and= C was tuned=20 for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimu= m=20 switching characteristics like in class E
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b437a469e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:43:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D9F7380001B3; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSDPo-00044p-UO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSDPo-00044g-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSDPl-0002Wm-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so10554717bwz.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:41:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lsCFCxIUkDBmQQKEawwvsP0p6oqytNqqQmAerFV3aRI=; b=soioxmOCJw8tDZyDWZSo7E/Mk8lV9TKZk0Fd1Cb51hiOtJWI3cwJ4mCn5bakvP7j08 WINThFUDRTwU/EWtTV0ROrLKa7p36DV7D6lhzbDmY9k5zdM/8pKeUN8//o2dkesuFvaY rkaklIOxfCgQaNnI9yfDiUX1NVafZK6BFHfcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wdi6Hxr0yn0LDxGpUeJE8b2yxcUBUOKMptD4rfLZbqTHkXaFqaHV3lvNFC0KuED95v 6Ig1SW3X1U16kV+jkeUS4VUv359FtWnSHAzhd98Sxpq5CRqSSxIETC0jy/wWVVzDjWLO AWOOw71b9R44XxJ0PY9PviXQnh0szssS9+mgc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.4.215 with SMTP id 23mr3361494bks.160.1262713306555; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:41:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <1569989546@web.de> <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b437a442c86 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good.. 73s Roger 2010/1/4 mal hamilton > Chris > QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120, 240 > and > 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hits the > whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish > Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? > I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongoli= a > !! > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > > Hi Horst, > > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hard= ly > a > > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time > beats > > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not= be > on > > this site? > > Chris, G4AYT. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for > > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or > other > > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is wo= rse > > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Tha= ts > > part of the game . . . > > Horst > > > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: "Chris" > > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save > > > time). > > > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's go= od..

73s
Roger

2010/1/4 mal= hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Chris
QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120, 240= and
480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF =A0when =A0QSB hits th= e
whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish
Still some insist so what can one do ????????????????
I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongolia= !!
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <c= .ashby435@btinternet.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:1= 0 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns


> Hi Horst,
> I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is= hardly a
> problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth= time beats
> me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who ma= y not be
on
> this site?
> Chris, G4AYT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Horst St=F6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns
>
>
> Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, fo= r
> example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other
> "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N= ratio is worse
> not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Th= ats
> part of the game . . .
> Horst
>
> .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
> > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13
> > An: "RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Betreff: LF: Callsigns
>
> >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every= so
> > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsa= nd
> > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to= save
> > time).
> >
> > Chris, G4AYT.
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Preisknaller: WEB.DE= DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!
> http://pr= odukte.web.de/go/02/
>
>
>





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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b5c9ed45e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:26:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FAE63800007D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ85H-0008VF-0W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ85G-0008V5-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:18 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ85D-0001ep-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:18 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0153C1C00090 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E78971C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9788C1C00090 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124192509629.9788C1C00090@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b5c9ed203b8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 


------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b5b9093382; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:13:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA44F380000B5; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYq4m-0001KI-G6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYq4m-0001K9-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYq4j-0006oI-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4LAGoeW0tOlkcz/2dsb2JhbACCF4YrAc0JhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,332,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448247434" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.71.51]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 00:11:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b5b90900594 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave<= /font>

 

Thanks for the= Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the= time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner.

 

I will give it= another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW .

 

73

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 23 January 2010= 20:39
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz= Altoids MEPT on

 

Well, Eddie,

 

I think I saw some= thing.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment= , so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz.

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010= 13:56
To: knightsqrss@cnts.be= ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Alt= oids MEPT on

I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA= – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >=3D 1mWatt

 

All reports very welcome

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9b04b560871cc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:31:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME044-9b04b560871cc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:30:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJln-0002M8-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJlm-0002Lz-Lk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:42 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXJlj-00082H-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:42 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7389327pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8TBlpzj+t6LchxUncT5eP07M9pQ9GmzvKN0+ha2oLlQ=; b=e94vuWeibqhn1RHdyfHCS9bPNoMzzYyI89WVk3VWJ2w3CvXBkD/w1yVdmBv3apyEUc B9a2lVISuJNFfzqcMbJ5gzHweRkUL/AflWKyOIGs0G0ZRSHIfBvauBXl/10Rjvh+ZKaT hrsoerC5dWkc3cnYm4XHmFHJHV+pIF29yUbSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=Mwwdi5wsIjgffcvupVKbNCCYyD6Dy0lZdyK2x4f5Y1wl3tefwkQIrBXHHt9pJPtPf4 70vXNwypIc1sRkA6ho9gndEu25q2ESE1dWJAvjynlf2IYFTsqHecAW8cRm5sZeowuYee BShZ+aNToHQIp2o+4nqU9UTCBriiqRnMCYMRk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr5623318rvq.268.1263929372723; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0fbda05949acccc0 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. Sorry, no prizes :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.
--000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b40d124cf; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:17:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2B6F838000163; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRU42-0002u8-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRU42-0002tz-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRU3z-0000ka-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:25 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE9451C003 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ECDF3862 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 05CCB18056; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from 162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.51.162]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 Message-ID: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.51.162 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b40d11f7442 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be =20 kept simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the =20 tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty =20 straightforward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to =20 hard. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal =20 > controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification =20 > driving the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the =20 > Low power aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game. =20 > Then use the readily available Software that can be down loaded for =20 > free.... no brain surgery required. > > 73 es GL petefmt > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: > > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 > > There is a way... > > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. > > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR > message and the PIC code > > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. > > Perhaps there's a demand here... > > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > > 2010/1/3 Graham =20 > >: >> Roger >> >> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' >> >> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf >> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No= good >> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo contro= lled >> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code= set .. >> Its a good point worth making though ... >> >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To: =20 >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >> >> Some suggestions: >> >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >> >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >> >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton =20 >> > >>> >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5f394b3dcff811b; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:35:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 90A8338001096; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQeoD-0007hq-Ka for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:32:41 +0000 Received: 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authority (on smtp05.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: odl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA8AD6.1B9FC390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b3dcfbc0aaf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA8AD6.1B9FC390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b42ccd2409d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jim, i am using a synthesised drive unit SD1 from Redifon (very old) to generate wspr.The ssb modulator for this at 1.4MHz for this I build in myself, PA is also homebrew,500W output, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Jim and Hannelore Fisher Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 4:15 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hi Victor-- How are you generating WSPR on 500 kHz--transverter/directly? 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-04-10 16:10 To: blacksheep Subject: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b654bb82bc; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:22:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11E49380000A6; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVyw-0007fH-2k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVyv-0007f8-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:37 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVys-0005lx-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:37 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2412107bwz.4 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:20:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JO/K4heUUEnkAWaFMnah4k/XF6aL/uHWV9dzLQ9mSZA=; b=Vcgg3zCt6TwGP7YgpiMeR3hmxvD6B0YnyOLV+cwv9a981KgL4sZfSfBEW+lBnirUFk 0hJZC8jkCTwmlsaVJ4ozHbgvOVdLd12rETHfsmI0KIXAfJrUELwtGiQ7bJLcGJ0JGyfD HIzUQl/3lFJD/V+NZs/dCht3l2VQRuYGJcy5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ddo1201OV1E60z2yZ7OL1YIALZZuT1k2Tqj876KD3gh5LLmen/5NFjgSaQ5cGg4sm0 FbqrwS4IG3Qphg3iRkm3T7mxItOFliHEt5kbVUo4fJGVxo0/oeTcQC0BFLyZzFzBVYn0 YFOUML1RXsp9ENE/k7JNr/AOMCvawj9aW0SAY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.39.200 with SMTP id h8mr1873084bke.97.1264929627925; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:20:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001310120h6a9d80f0t93efba63b8a0d876@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555af92236eb1047e726149 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b654bb62988 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555af92236eb1047e726149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the report Lubos. Yes, I ran my beacon overnight for the first time this week. I have now received reports from 75 different receiving stations, but you remain my best DX at 1232kms. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/31 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS last night. My PC > decoded your signal: > > *0344 -26 1.3 0.503898 0 G3XBM JO02 0 > > *I hope, I will see your signal in the night again. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS* > * > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu= =BEba > Zaregistrovat > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555af92236eb1047e726149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the report Lubos.

Yes, I ran my beacon overnight for= the first time this week. I have now received reports from 75 different= receiving stations, but you remain my best DX at 1232kms.

73s
= Roger G3XBM

2010/1/31 Lubos OK2BVG &l= t;bvgbob@hotmail.com><= br>
Hello Roger, LF!
You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS las= t night. My PC decoded your signal:

0344 -26=A0 1.3=A0=A0 0.503898=A0 0 G3XBM JO02 0

I hope, I will see yo= ur signal in the night again.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



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--00032555af92236eb1047e726149-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-5eab4b5090d7353; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0D4138000154; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVoQS-0000qb-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVoQR-0000qS-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVoQH-000465-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0FFmoIw027166 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:50 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bbe.6392350f (43897) for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229139075.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.139.75]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC062-ab794b508e581dd; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:48:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9602.962D90B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b5090cc4c6c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9602.962D90B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's one caught when I ran the 500 kHz grabber in spring 2008. I bel= ieve Laurence's explanation is correct. During acceleration of the mo= tor, the dutycycle on the constant chopper frequency is being modulate= d with an increasing rotation frequency, and its harmonics. 73 de Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL1X=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices like= pumps, elevator motors, cranes etc. Very musical if listening on SSB= and strong enough. =20 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, Anyone come across these? http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg I have seen them on 80m too in the past. 73, Lee M0LMH. ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now. =3D=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's one caught when I ran the 500= kHz grabber=20 in spring 2008. I believe Laurence's explanation is correct. &nbs= p;During=20 acceleration of the motor, the dutycycle on the constant chopper frequ= ency=20 is being modulated with an increasing rotation frequency, an= d its=20 harmonics.
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL1X
Sent: Friday, January 15, 201= 0 1:54=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers=

Looks like variable frequency drive interference = ;from=20 devices like pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Ver= y musical=20 if listening on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1=20 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@= btinternet.com
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
Date:=20 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi=20 All,
 
Anyone come=20 across these?
 
 
I have seen=20 them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
 

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autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?LF=3A_grabber_136_khz?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF'ers, I have restored the a bit burnt loading coil, the grabber again works. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-85e84b4092801e9; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:50:09 -0500 Received: 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John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b5606c5bc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:23:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 47D8A3800025A; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJeX-0002FE-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJeX-0002F5-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:13 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXJeU-0004jO-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:12 +0000 Received: from COL122-W34 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:04 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2010 19:22:04.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF0F8D80:01CA993C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_" Subject: LF: XGJ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b5606c37f11 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you used the lower power= , as you wrote to Andrey. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you= used the lower power, as you wrote to Andrey.

73!

Lubos, OK= 2BVG, JN88KS

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter= =FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-86474b60a1a2b6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AC4F4380006AA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaESt-0004Df-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaESt-0004DW-0r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com ([209.85.218.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaESq-00067c-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2360935bwz.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZiunjqNVZ2Q4h7TW0mgewDDbmI+fjUUA9f5vWNAr2+U=; b=pd1BUYBlJ7bdLsiYaWo7HG31+9Hy+G8RJ84M3HkFCH1Gu0/C6c6NBwTaMiBsELTT+M aSAHrpoiAeGPFdN4VcMURynI3V7g3fV27JUsG60c/Srdlx9GMOhnTLGVGNhS3kXHqOr5 5080vWAIYU0QnQsBsdMVKIFUOgYznH5rtfQgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Sadj5pym4x/UMGV7AENTClk4anw/yog9VqVfR69QcfFdXzxqWgJGUc3B4tnlzKSZzB sDRYOSwOJTI1+Sl86fROyDun8Izps5VPWI9KlyMimajnio33Om2VQm4+/JaAu3Ud+aFm UL13zfDwm67PO4S5BBBzx/+aE5aR8RR28UX6s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.6 with SMTP id a6mr1141223hbh.31.1264623963550; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b60a1a03e3e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
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=A02010-01-27 20:08=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+10=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:02=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:00=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G7NKS=A0 =A00.503920=A0 =A0-5=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO92ub=A0 =A0+20=A0 =A00.100=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0422=A0 =A0262=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:44=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+10=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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--001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b5cdf0d2ba; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:00:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 713BD38000191; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCML-0002jT-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCML-0002jK-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCMJ-0003fj-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0ONwvZw005537 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c5b.610c2f8f (34983) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229238110.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.238.110]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a74b5cdeb72db; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <99D2006A91C34C9B9C09A914D08EDF27@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:58:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DF6NM / F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b5cdf0b19fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Nicolas, thank you too for this most enjoyable 137 kHz QSO ! Here I have 200 W= PEP into a Marconi antenna with about 0.1 % efficiency. Have a good time, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You. Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!! TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR) Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter) + variometer in= side RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Nicolas,
 
thank you too for this most enjoyable 137 kHz QSO ! Here=20 I have 200 W PEP into a Marconi antenna with about 0.1= %=20 efficiency.
 
Have a good time,
Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 201= 0 4:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL

Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You.
Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!!
 
TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w
Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR)
Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter)&nbs= p; +=20 variometer inside
 
RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro
Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT<= /DIV>
 
 
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:18:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVose-0000Am-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:18:41 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF04C51C007 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E498331E702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:22 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:31 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115161822.E498331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30415748==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_30415748==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed if they want to come in peace they shouldn't cause QRM ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:07 15/01/2010, you wrote: >They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-) > >73s >Roger G3XBM > >2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe ><rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: >>Hi All, >> >>Anyone come across these? >> >>http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg >> >>I have seen them on 80m too in the past. >> >>73, >>Lee M0LMH. >> > > > > >-- > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_30415748==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" if they want to come in peace they shouldn't cause QRM ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 15:07 15/01/2010, you wrote:
They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-)

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe < rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
 
Anyone come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 




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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
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G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
--=====================_30415748==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA041-b5144b5b188f1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:41:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0462E3800008A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYi5l-0006Ba-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYi5k-0006BR-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYi5g-00049n-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAKemWktZ8Y3g/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx3WEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,329,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="311937558" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.141.224]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 15:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003101ca9c42$4ce6f720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001230728l3ea0c2ffqa0e2913b3d45cca2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b5b188d4a42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only one wspr sig present, no jt4 at present g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Roger, As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide to JT= 65A" amongst many others at the following site :- http://www.pe2pe.eu/wsjt_manuals.htm I found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The author= Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written= it for other Bozo's. 73, Gary - G4WGT On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn = wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon,= but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days pe= rhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak sign= al QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore= the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initiall= y would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this= too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot = wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going= to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use= on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docum= ented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with= JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If= you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files= , there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf= =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT= 65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a ran= ge of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light= . (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used= respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fractio= n of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or= two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any= fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wo= lf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, ne= eds a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something= for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced= varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was per= suaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be deco= ded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spr= ead out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwid= e overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energ= y). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms= , the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org= and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjame= s.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite= an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate ti= ming information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.8= 5 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.= Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardou= s to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar reg= ions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) refer= ence to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies"= guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only one wspr sig present, no jt4 at= =20 present
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 3:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Hi Roger,

As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide= to JT65A"=20 amongst many others at the following site :-


I found th= is "Bozo's=20 Guide" very useful to get started, The author Andy K3UK (yes he is= from the=20 UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written it for other Bozo's.

73,  Gary - G4WGT


On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <r= ogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of your= valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-ar= ranged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility= of really=20 weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd lik= e to=20 explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who woul= d value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:<= BR>
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was never= originally=20 going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our ext= ensive=20 use on uWaves it certainly is now.   JT65x= was the=20 more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on= 144 /=20 432 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of those incl= uded in=20 the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you download and read= the=20 WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's a= ll you=20 need to know to get it going is in there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse th= an JT65x,=20 but at least it does have the options of being available in a ra= nge of=20 bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come across= A, D and G=20 being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)   = There's=20 probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as= I can=20 ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. = [Which=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf has a sim= ilar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linea= r TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted someth= ing for=20 use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.  JT4G,= the widest=20 spaced varient of them looked suitable.   = After some=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,  and= in=20 fact he modified the code to  enhance the decoder= routine=20 so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as= =20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mode was= , even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide ove= rall, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset  GB= 3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.= biz/gm4cxm/id14.html  Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate= from a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availab= le to keep=20 it synched.  
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/= 503.85=20 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming= the=20 PIC.   Would there be any interest, bearing in mind&nb= sp;both=20 the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the=20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)  referen= ce to JT4A=20 in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M= which I=20 have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried= =20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "J= T4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understa= nd,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5f14b4a4dec184; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:00:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG096-5f14b4a4dec184; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:00:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5of-000630-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5of-00062q-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5od-0001KO-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 72818 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kC2hukxa6d6tHM610+6gYtwJTOLrWUhVqE7ZfCnEY+kq2m+Cfarwzd7FduJOdVGVuBTN1XzMdAHZW6ett8DwtT1r3xysf2ZnYhd+pR9p+ld3FC7bC+j8KGU7N7LVXn6LQbku6AY0pt767mbpr9ih4OfJk2JqIBazXTze4mfKVKo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: hxzcHIkVM1l_3xlLkp6i5BjFhV3ShoggeLAnml5Kx6jT8pbCg3LCS6KkPd8oUOSf1VYhNmdAWW8gQH5R9rBzQ9tTyGc5fghUuJokHFJD.tge42Mu5OgRty96qjSA1iXSKf41cfYggw2PdfXtLICQstUFlRzxJNgFOnmXHjJ0JN2vTmCUq9B.UPgo5XuolfeW372vQpWgDsICO.DYgtCUG377tmBsufoTpTbsClIU7l654ttbGuP2ZsZYF36JakzzTi03G5hghCY2uIw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim, LF Group, The main variables involved are: TX ERP TX directional pattern (probably only if a TX loop is used) Distance - leading to "geometric" propagation losses Other propagation losses - for DX signals, basically due to ionospheric effects Band noise level at the receiver Directional patttern of RX antenna Received SNR required for mode in use It is difficult to make a direct calculation because some of these are not known to any great level of confidence - in particular, the "other" ionospheric propagation losses, and the band noise level at a particular receiver. Noise levels can be determined by field strength measurements, although few people have done this - my best estimate at M0BMU is about 3uV/m in 2.5kHz bandwidth under quiet conditions, although obviously varying with time of day, band conditions, direction etc. There does not seem to be much info available for ionospheric losses at LF/MF - this is of course part of the motivation for using modes such as WSPR to probe propagation. But you can be sure that simply extrapolating results with closer stations to long distances won't give a reliable answer - there is no simple relation between loss and distance. But on a practical level, you can use the WSPR database to get a fairly good idea of how much TX ERP you need to be received by particular stations, e.g. WD2XSH/17 has spotted M0BMU 40 times during the past week, with SNR between -31dB and -16dB, but quite frequently around -25dB . G7NKS is a similar distance and path, so the same ERP (estimated at 2W for M0BMU) should give similar results. If you would be content with rather fewer spots at around -30dB, close to the minimum for WSPR, you could reduce the ERP by about 5dB, or perhaps even 10dB reduction (200mW) if you would be happy with just the odd 1 or 2 spots at peaks in the propagation - this is the kind of level G4JNT is running, and has indeed been spotted a couple of times at WD2XSH/17. You could do a similar kind of estimate with other stations, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cowburn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.85]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-8b754b5a1d51303; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:49:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39EBC3800009A; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRMD-0003mG-44 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRMC-0003m7-Jw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:56 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRMA-0007s4-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:56 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD0A51C001 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2AA31E702 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1DA2318056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554b5a1d4f49d0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good =20 value would be 20 or more). Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on =20 the trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on =20 your freq.) most of the time it is still decoding Jim. Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) =20 as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 > dB =3D -2 > DT =3D 0.0 > DF =3D -107 > W =3D 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC073-a97d4b5b704d31a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1CBCE380000AA; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnw5-0000k2-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnw5-0000jt-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnw3-00067p-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE28F3B4D8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:45 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100123215445.64bd0eb9@opc1> In-Reply-To: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64b5b704c5faf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:43 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts Oh for goodness sake....!? Surely the point it is to find - and then extend - the limit? Otherwise you would just pick up the telephone or write a letter.... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a334b49f7d81da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:53:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG095-a334b49f7d81da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:52:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU058-0003HG-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU058-0003H7-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU055-0002lj-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0AFpZtR022089 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d2e.573cd168 (29679) for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DL2HRE F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d2e.573cd168.387b5184_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --part1_d2e.573cd168.387b5184_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1263138690" -------------------------------1263138690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanx dear Ed for this contact with you. 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Many thanx dear Ed for this contact with you. HNY.
 
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Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:04:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqh5Ij3ZViXT5ODRECkF3YaUXMVFQAAX+rb References: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.713;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.195417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E7.73FAC0DE" Subject: AW: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b6491263ad7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E7.73FAC0DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan and tnx for your reply. (also the other stns who confirmed that th= e pic was correctly sent now) =20 A bigger signal? You mean more Drain current? That is possible (up to 75mA= for this Diode) and would be an advantage but also a disadvantage if we= think on a battery supply. The BF862 provides abt 20mA @ Uds=3D0 (measure= d out at 4 specimens) which is enough for that application.=20 And so the circuit is kept really simple and needs not even a measuring de= vice, except to find the resonance/ adjust the C (but that can be done in= Argo)... :-)=20 I hope i can give some RX reports soon (changing my QTH from Darmstadt to= Heidelberg this weekend and so not much time...) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 20:39 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Dear LF, >=20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) >=20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. >=20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. >=20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d225.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and the WSJT documantation Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Ko, > > Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. > > There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as > there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into > the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > > Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>> >>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>> >>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>> >>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>> >>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >> >> Hi Gary >> Just received: >> >> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >> >> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >> >> >> >> > --001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0= =A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
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--001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy6-0000m5-C3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy5-0000lw-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRqy2-0003rW-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy1-0004dN-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy0-0001IN-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4E66E5A6231D407898A2A06295F842B0@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:43:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Z codes etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZKB? ZHP G3KEV ???? ZCS ZAZ=20 For those interested in Z codes http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html Seriously though Mal. You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote= hours of your day to policing the lower bands, and actually operating= , which must be great. Most of us have other things to do and some ca= n contribute more by the use of innovative software and systems that= allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparable to or bette= r than any human operator, without having to stay glued to the receive= r. I fully expect to be able to gather enough data from WSPR transmission= s eventually to measure the movement and size of propagation 'zones'= and probably other useful data too. I don't expect you to understand= the technicalities, I have only a limited ability in this area, I fin= d the maths hard, but then I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are th= ose in our community who really do understand what the potential is an= d are working hard to realise it.=20 The use of these modes and the potential benefits may be outside your= interests, but have the courtesy to respect that others actively wish= to use the band for genuine experimental reasons, rather that just op= erating. Some may not even want to have QSOs =20 FWIW, I am also a keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps witho= ut prejudices instilled by my profession, and I am able to operate and= receive weak CW within tens of Hz of other transmissions. If you are= half the operator you claim to be, you too will not be severely impac= ted by the usage of a small segment of the band by WSPR or other machi= ne generated transmissions.=20 A good proportion of my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light,= is on CW, and it has netted me more DX and first countries from GM th= at I can remember. However you will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly= on 4m and 6m as it is better for some of the propagation modes I am= interested in.=20 I will be running up a WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with= luck, and will endeavour to provide the grabber and WSPR receive syst= em, 24/7 www.dc2light.co.uk =20 There is room, even in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interes= ts to be explored without significant conflict. Be happy that the band= is being actively used. =20 You are not going to have regular QSOs with stations like me who want= to experiment, as I am not often in a position to break out the key.= When I do have time to operate, it is likely to be on CW, the WSPR sy= stem will be off and I hope to see you there! Happy New Year Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basi= c set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growl= ing away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base= once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF usin= g CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ZKB?
 
ZHP G3KEV ????
 
ZCS
 
 
 
 
ZAZ
 
For those interested in Z codes
 

Seriously though Mal.= =20 You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote hours of yo= ur day to=20 policing the lower bands, and actually operating, which must be great.=  =20 Most of us=20 have other things to do and some can contribute more by the= use of=20 innovative software and systems that allow automatic reporting of sign= als at=20 levels comparable to or better than any human operator, without&n= bsp;having=20 to stay glued to the receiver.

I fully expect to be= able=20 to gather enough data from WSPR transmissions eventually to measure=20 the movement and size of propagation 'zones'  and proba= bly other=20 useful data too. I don=92t expect you to understand the technicalities= , I have=20 only a limited ability in this area, I find the maths hard, but= then I am=20 not a Nobel prize winner. There are those in our community w= ho really=20 do understand what the potential is and are working hard to reali= se=20 it. 

The use of these modes= =20 and the potential benefits may be outside your interests, but have the= courtesy=20 to respect that others actively wish to use the band for genuine exper= imental=20 reasons, rather that just operating. Some may not even want to have=20 QSOs

=  

FWIW, I am also a=20 keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps without prejudices= instilled=20 by my profession, and I am able to operate and receive weak CW within= tens of Hz=20 of other transmissions. If you are half the operator you claim to be,= you too=20 will not be severely impacted by the usage of a small segment of the= band by=20 WSPR or other machine generated transmissions. 

A good proportion = ;of=20 my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light, is on CW, and= it has=20 netted me more DX and first countries from GM that I can remember. How= ever you=20 will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly on 4m and 6m as it is better= for some=20 of the propagation modes I am interested in.

I will be running up= a=20 WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with luck, and will = ;endeavour=20 to provide the grabber and WSPR receive system, 24/7

www.dc2light.co.uk

=  

There is room, even=20 in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interests to be explor= ed without=20 significant conflict. Be happy that the band is being actively used.

=  

You are not going to= have=20 regular QSOs with stations like me who want to experiment, as I am not= often in=20 a position to break out the key. When I do have time to operate, it is= likely to=20 be on CW, the WSPR system will be off and I hope to see you=20 there!

 

Happy New Year<= /P>

Mark=20 GM4ISM

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 3:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net<= /A>>
This is fantastic news for the= Appliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended ma= chines,=20 all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute interval= s.=20 Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more= =20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity= was by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity= again using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB= beacon on 508=20 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM= 6BHZ is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shamb= les swamped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an=20 opinion?
G3KEV
 



--=20
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM    GQRP 1678=20      ISWL=20 G11088


--=20
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http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL=20 G11088
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9bb4b3fac933d7; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:29:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4b3fac933d7; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:29:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAZt-0006fq-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAZt-0006fh-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAZr-0007yp-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAGU7P0tOkoA8/2dsb2JhbACNQAbDbYQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="263175264" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.146.128.60]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 20:27:30 +0000 Message-ID: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:27:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us tryi= ng to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand= why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocatio= n.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I= cannot=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= =20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swampe= d by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b587eac8a; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:19:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 411493800017D; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXzju-0005wz-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXzju-0005wq-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXzjs-00071T-Hh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 11459 invoked by uid 507); 21 Jan 2010 17:18:04 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 17:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: <201001211718110171.143BA774@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:11 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b587eab7b78 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21/01/2010 at 13:25 Roger Lapthorn wrote: >BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's >Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) >stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was >1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! Nearly 50 years ago, a former RO told me of the day he called an Alaskan= coast station on 500 to say he was entering harbour. He was answered by= Wellington Harbour Radio. John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9bb4b577f2d311; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4b577f2d311; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:09:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXijX-0000WR-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXijX-0000WH-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXijV-0008PG-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.67] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXijU-0004gP-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4B577F16.1040000@inext.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:26 +0100 From: oberreiter oswald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> In-Reply-To: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL qrp test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070608020003090008040004" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070608020003090008040004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 20.01.2010 18:06, schrieb dl2hre: > Hi Ossi, LF > what's is the pwr you are running just? > GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq servus Ed! danke fuer deinen bericht habe hier 1A 9V am pa eingang gemessen da duerften so um die 5 bis 6 watt auf die antenne gehen . gehard ist am einstellen mit seinem grabber da braucht er ein schwache signal wie man sieht gehts mit kleiner leistung auch weiter. am tag heben wir mit dieser leistung schon 15 db ueberm rauschen gemessen 223km , zu dir sinds ja schon 400 . ja feine sache mit der langen welle . awdh servus ed de oe5odl ossi --------------070608020003090008040004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 20.01.2010 18:06, schrieb dl2hre:
Hi Ossi, LF
 
what's is the pwr you are running just?
 
GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq
 
 
servus Ed!
danke fuer deinen bericht habe hier 1A 9V am pa eingang gemessen da duerften so um die 5 bis 6 watt auf die antenne gehen .
gehard ist am einstellen mit seinem grabber da braucht er ein schwache signal wie man sieht gehts mit kleiner leistung auch weiter.
am tag heben wir mit dieser leistung schon 15 db ueberm rauschen gemessen 223km , zu dir sinds ja  schon 400 .
 ja feine sache mit der  langen welle .
awdh servus ed de oe5odl ossi
--------------070608020003090008040004-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b934b5744b315; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD085-b934b5744b315; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXepd-0007AN-Hk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXepd-0007AE-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXepb-0006GY-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0KHx0bf022248 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:59:00 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:59:01 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:56:28 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: OE5ODL Thread-Index: AcqZ9LlWCAfSuovrQk+KddmVWB5FQwABSqSZ References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.689;20.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.20.174822 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA99FA.3F4EBA89" Subject: LF: OE5ODL X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA99FA.3F4EBA89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi, tnx for transmission yesterday in the night up to 2 o clock! In the moment i built my first own RX on a ham band ever with very satisfy= ing results. I used ur sugnal to compare it to the K2. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b424aad1586 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 Aan: blacksheep Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-a8464b50ac9898; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D2063800010B; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sm-FA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPX-0002sZ-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:39 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl ([194.134.42.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqPV-0005A5-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:39 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7AD662CF for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b50ac974d32 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get posit= ive decodes, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ -- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR= lines today=20 afternoon:

1548  -7  2.2   0.503899 = 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37
1608 -31  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0=20 23
1632 -30 -0.5   0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI052-eac74b65ed1423; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:50:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 07D02380000BC; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgjC-0000PM-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgjC-0000PD-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbgjA-00027L-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 30459 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 20:48:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=RK/6hUGdu7ivGKA1ctiApCPx4nqbGFkEKQ3SqKO08FrFW7+4J8OvSu0QxlHBf+nWc/VdLlAqvqySXVoVckY+KQXqd0ikMRz8Co11YHHpwFQmwNfbaeC3u+x4RW5YD++JlXK9oUrAs0ghjkm5rX4LLUwgRuSMhXuaM5AguW7Bl38= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 20:48:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: JnYntxkVM1kZzfRYGMzwwXGvlp8FMp.XRb9XicIeaGKmLjb_nO0SCpJ_2FkJFEaHeAUL7TtPUHXSq_W5ElYzu217btBg22fKEybAUgz5bFv...NiDkbNbFyAOV.18ftUdUAOlUNpmUjWC6Lyd9UGSPeXzswewze0UiHsfL6WcRDwGOtatJrY0D8NPgumb00TX8Hau2FxjHl1E3WNdpVjHeUZLyZcFgdNPem5RlQBdSNnDLmW03zhAlEsLhff4XW0YC3inLo65UwU.UHJSHjoxJFI_CnCvetZmI3HlO4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:48:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b65ed125926 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, LF Group, This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: {10}Test transmission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=D8 watts ERP 2=D8=D8 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the= center=20 frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as th= e RX=20 frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF Group (RSGB)" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > LF, > > I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. > The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-869b4b5a1b10f6; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:39:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D43D38000085; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRCs-0003Yu-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRCr-0003Yl-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:17 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRCq-0007mj-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:17 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.27] (helo=17.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NYRCp-0007XX-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:15 +0100 Received: from p57af21d6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.33.214]:1152 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 17.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NYRCp-0004ci-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:15 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B7DEAED223845F495CCC097129A690B@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqbqnHUrLEG7FAsRKuNXf/W8/BflwAAFu+w X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: AW: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5a1b0e5588 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, now decoded your CQ-call with shift preset of 5.0 (instead of 0.0) 213400 11 -16 4.7 -50 34 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ======= _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 22:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: Sync = 9 dB = -2 DT = 0.0 DF = -107 W = 33 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : Hello Gary, Jim, I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST M0BMU". It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) Quoting Gary - G4WGT : LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gary,

 

now= decoded your CQ-call with shift preset of 5.0 (instead of 0.0)

 

213400 11 = -16  4.7  -50 34 *      CQ G4WGT IO83          =    1   0

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Freitag, 22.= Januar 2010 22:30
An: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kH= z JT4A

 

Rik,

 

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put th= e power up a bit.

 

73,  Gary= - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

As said I haven't read any instructions / man= ual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

Hello Gary, Jim= ,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU= " and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if<= br> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "= ;TEST
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome=
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.






 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b50262f1c3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:24:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4395838000070; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVhS4-0005eK-23 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVhS3-0005eB-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:39 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVhS1-0003py-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:39 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWA00M6G4LHTA@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:22:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:22:16 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GHB 15-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JCIRfNPWobYeiuLxG6LtYg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b50262d0076 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_JCIRfNPWobYeiuLxG6LtYg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture GHB Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: GHB 15-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
Capture GHB
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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GHB 15-01.jpg

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X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Grabber OE3GHB Thread-Index: Acqc50hW6zxHAvxvRxeWF5XfnV+AmwALh37c References: <1264331867.1818.10.camel@gerhard-desktop> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.163918 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D15.F793AE8C" Subject: LF: AW: Grabber OE3GHB X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b5c7ba16fde X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D15.F793AE8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard,=20 =20 Gratuliere zu dem Grabber. Ich nehme an, du bist oft mit OE5ODL zusammen= am testen? RX und Ant optimieren? Was macht die Station und die PA? W=FCrde mich mal =FCber ein QSO freuen, hatten wir noch nicht. Der wenige Wind in den letzten Wochen l=E4sst meine Aktivit=E4t TX-seitig= schrumpfen, so eine Windstille ist =FCberaus selten hier, ich beobachte= das seit 2 Jahren... =20 Am Dienstag soll aber viel Wind sein. Bist du da auch qrv? =20 Gru=DF und viel Spa=DF! =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 PS: Ich kann dich auch aus der Stadt mit der kleinen Aktiv-Antenne empfang= en, sehr sch=F6nes Signal! ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 12:17 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Grabber OE3GHB Hello group! I have now further improved the sensitivity on my grabber and will keep it running for a while. It could be of special interest for stations which are too close to Markus DF6NM. Unfortunately I could not manage to realize a wideband-grabber. 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Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd1a106c9f2dd047de88fb6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b5c43921903 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a106c9f2dd047de88fb6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 --000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Eddie, I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 g3zjo > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT > on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now > switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave G3WCB > *Sent:* 24 January 2010 10:49 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about > 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & > Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains > elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the > carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double > frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space > frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *g3zjo > *Sent:* 24 January 2010 09:53 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a > note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal > will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same > time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 > Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > *Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng* > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 > 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 > 19:33:00 > > --000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eddie,

I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & ha= ve managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200= kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captu= red at 1245utc.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/24 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>

Thanks Dave and= all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Ri= k and GM.

=A0

Dave, yes the mo= dulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

=A0

73=

=A0

Edd= ie

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Dave= G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

=A0

Hi, Eddie.

=A0

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 10= 0 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel=A0& Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

=A0

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elemen= ts of both modes!

=A0

(With QRSS,=A0one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double freque= ncy CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies,= and the carrier drops between letters.)

=A0

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org]On Behalf Of g3zjo<= br> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups= .com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqr= ss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

=A0

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note= on receiving the QRSS3. :-

=A0

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard set= tings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800= on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can sp= ot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.=

=A0

Frequency 503.22KHz

=A0

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse<= /font>

=A0

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

=A0

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

=A0

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

=A0

ERP >1mWatt

=A0

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

=A0

No virus found in this incoming= message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.= com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00

No virus found in this incoming message= .
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Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10= 19:33:00


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false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b41026101d5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Ed, LF Group, Sorry about the 1/2 QSO on 136k - my TX power supply has a short circuit, so I am QRT until I can repair it :-( You are currently "O" copy here in QRSS10 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-5a94b5b3c6631a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG024-5a94b5b3c6631a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYkTV-0006zV-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYkTU-0006zM-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:44 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYkTS-0004uK-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:44 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W2 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.230.154] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2010 18:12:33.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[A27F9B00:01CA9C57] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_" Subject: LF: Z3801A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I could= talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine) =20 For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wonder if= anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published set up bu= t has it working on say 4800....=20 =20 Any good progs that can discover port configs :-) =20 Laurence=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I= could talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine)<= BR>  
For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wond= er if anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published= set up but has it working on  say 4800.... 
 
Any good progs that can discover port configs :-)
 
Laurence

Your E-mail and More On-the-= Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.215]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94b50a7e1108; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:37:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 83BDB38000125; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVq6L-0002J2-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVq6L-0002Ir-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVq6J-000106-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEANs2UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMGIQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280301868" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: <004401ca9609$40e98bc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b50a7df4169 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two strong wspr stns active but no decode the buzz on the qrg is bad> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two strong wspr stns active but no de= code the buzz=20 on the qrg is bad>
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b4a30d3de; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E43ED38000209; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3sQ-0004gQ-Ow for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3sQ-0004gB-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:06 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3sM-0004GA-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:05 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13501925bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5Yh1OG48GaXvdVtq5qDgtUuHrfUMp4G08/5TAI3ofnI=; b=Q3g0LI7YN3tGqEV5IoHkgIBEM+anYnICGtifaN8xJQpYFyu9OsBGglEg5ZtCETPJXN vLKznhRyUnOlXUzt3en+0YBzHRQ/MUs0E+P4bWbfc9651DSmJfoqFCUl66jTV1RIwkWd 9A+h4OcNSK0Hjp5ZXuMLfT2X8i4BciOPvOQMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tiuieuIOs8uigB7eETB8vAALDVoNGyhKI4kuPjrIHdNVprw/Q8qlR8yjzBx6VuUpFm TqXH5Uy6a67ILeM9ZXEAoiKYDHlQy4ZRgCs3RFKoiZaF3H30ahRi0jL5F5UesCRFjIvt qLOTPMrzrQ1F6z115dGe3wV9TmA3XfW4w4wMM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.210 with SMTP id g18mr2992554bkb.121.1263153296382; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b4a30d12545 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) > depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting James Cowburn : > > Dear LF, >> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >> and antenna configuration? >> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >> its performance with other known signals. >> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would >> the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx >> has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, >> then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for >> a great 2010 >> With best regards >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >> >> >> >> > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?=

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik= Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) depe= nds more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:

=A0Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =A0a= link budget for WSPR over a set distance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =A0curren= t antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =A0limit for WS= PR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =A0estimating or inde= ed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =A0(EMR) at that power se= tting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =A0one= knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =A0be poss= ible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =A0a given Rx= based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =A0would= the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =A0the othe= r Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =A0capability is diffe= rent, then is it fine to factor for the dB =A0difference over known paths/= signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =A0fo= r a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS
E james.cowb= urn@virgin.net<blocked::mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net>









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--000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE054-5eb54b56278c12d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A565380000F5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLqe-00048b-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLqd-00048R-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:51 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLqb-0000SY-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:51 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so173405fge.10 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J8tg3SsrHlzvfphRgpzM6Ldz5/Fvfz1OXni5FxfSfqE=; b=CL8uxB1yFhisj/F2hbqKkXXLb3z9HDOONUvhFJUE4+a49nxpZGfWxPjfWtw0I5Yril y5BjpssmxpJaLksl+XYPvVpTlLOJ9nFolmGtU/VQouz568r45yEbdmPyesbSqT1xFN8N GlEcSiT8YgJaVqqs7Dga+LjKeJw55ruhyluxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bQV19x4P98dF3TeVUX8867NcVB1Y39vyoKW781w58ngeszQR3sqzmyXE+CvyNY9rhA wjoGC8ZJfj32fIc8p6BLpY/DBwSi1me3CsdTWGVL5JZgSsAzF3aTXlf4GmzK/fHVGupz LSXsiqemU101KBAsxAM/zXt6nZC9JqPdXqq1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.12 with SMTP id r12mr801733hbh.94.1263937368829; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b56278a6001 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Overlapping emails :-) Think this was answered in the one just sent. JT4 and JT65 have similar input message formats, its just the to-air coding and FEC technique that is very different They don't offer the same type of messages as WSPR does Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Andy, > > Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand. > > Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character format > which can be used (transmitted)?? > > I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time. > > 73 > > Gary. > > > 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > >> In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 >> characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf >> and the WSJT documantation >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi Ko, >>> >>> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >>> >>> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >>> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >>> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>>> >>>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on >>>>> LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gary >>>> Just received: >>>> >>>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> >>>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Overlapping emails=A0:-)
=A0
Think this was answered in the one just sent.=A0=A0=A0JT4 and JT65 ha= ve similar input message formats, its=A0just the to-air=A0coding and FEC= technique=A0that is very different=A0=A0
They=A0don't offer the same type of messages as WSPR does
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Andy,=20

Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand.

Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character= format which can be used (transmitted)??

I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time.

73

Gary.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.c= om>
In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Pr= ocess.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



<= br>



--001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-5ead4b576406142; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:13:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5341338000042; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgvB-0007qI-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgvA-0007q9-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgv7-0000Wf-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62782000005C for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0AEC20000058 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:51 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000001010205090501070301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b57640457f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000001010205090501070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from > S.England please leave your RX running for the next few nights and > keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM Hi Roger, I do listen to wspr, however, it is not done on a daily basis. I live in a downtown area of Lodz so the EM noise is terrible, street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours etc.. My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km) but his 200 mW erp pwr makes him a "big gun" when compared to 1mW :) I saw Lubos, OK2BVG reply to your mail so i guess it is a matter of days ( may be even hours ..) that the >1000km barrier is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days off and i will go outside town. Likewise Lubos i will take my computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be a chance to see you on my screen. As i will have internet access there i will issue a notice whether i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :) 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ --------------000001010205090501070301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Lapthorn wrote:

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM
Hi Roger,
I=C2=A0 do listen to wspr,=C2=A0 however,=C2=A0 it is not done on a daily= basis. I live in a downtown area of=C2=A0 Lodz=C2=A0 so the EM noise is terrible, =C2=A0street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours et= c..
My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km)=C2=A0 but his 200 mW erp pwr=C2=A0 makes him
a "big gun" when compared to=C2=A0 1mW :)
I=C2=A0 saw Lubos, OK2BVG=C2=A0 reply to your mail=C2=A0 so i guess it is= a matter of days ( may be even hours ..)=C2=A0 that the=C2=A0 >1000km=C2=A0 barrier=
is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days=C2=A0 off=C2=A0= =C2=A0 and i=C2=A0 will go outside town. Likewise Lubos
=C2=A0i will take my=C2=A0 computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be= a chance to see you=C2=A0 on my screen.
As i=C2=A0 will have internet access there=C2=A0 i will issue a notice whe= ther=C2=A0 i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz/jo91rs/
--------------000001010205090501070301-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-90a4b48a34918b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:40:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD062-90a4b48a34918b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:39:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdPA-0007cz-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdP9-0007cq-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdP7-0007gZ-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE8FE140 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message1520 -29 1.4 0.503896 0 LA3EQ <...> RRR received with wspr 1.01 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lee Hudson Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2010 16:18 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR LA3? Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. LA3/O28WJJ <...> JO28WJ 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
1520 -29  1.4&nb= sp; =20 0.503896  0 LA3EQ <...> RRR
 
received with wspr 1.01
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lee=20 Hudson
Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2010 16:18
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR=20 LA3?

Re= ceiving the=20 following non-loggable spot around 503.915
Lo= oks like the=20 Call field is incorrect.
 
LA3/O28WJJ
&l= t;...>=20 JO28WJ
 
73,
Le= e=20 M0LMH.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b64732f38; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:58:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A48C380000F4; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbHYO-0003Kt-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbHYO-0003Kk-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbHYN-0002Dy-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100130175608.ZBYI4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100130175608.LUYU13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=C8Ct_Lbx6B6aiT_5DLAA:9 a=OpISYe4QfgooaTCc16KeSbVyVAUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b64732e225a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 to 0900UTC. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.134]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5f224b3f7b051e1; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:57:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E949238001E23; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7GI-0004Wa-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7GI-0004WR-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7GG-0006x5-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksFAG4JP0tcGJzk/2dsb2JhbACNQQaOV7VpgiOCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="413381207" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.156.228]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 16:55:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca8bcc$53480ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: 500 SHAMBLES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864b3f7ac450cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are now 3 SM beacons active on 500 khz, one using SSB and th= e others on QRS MODE plus the DL beacons plus others. This band is gra= dually being choked with QRM generators. I am sure this sort of activi= ty was not intended for 500. There are hundreds of Nav beacons worldwide active around 500 for prop= agation test purposes, so I do not know why we need any more.amateur= beacons. There is very little exchange of real time information in QSO mode. The LF BAND 137 khz is a different story with lots of QSO'S taking pla= ce and virtually no beacons. de G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    There are now 3 SM= beacons=20 active on 500 khz, one using SSB and the others on QRS MODE plus= the DL=20 beacons plus others. This band is gradually being choked with&nbs= p;QRM=20 generators. I am sure this sort of activity was not intended= for=20 500.
There are hundreds of Nav beacons wor= ldwide=20 active around 500 for propagation test purposes, so I do not know= why we=20 need any more.amateur beacons.
There is very little exchange of= real=20 time information in QSO mode.
The LF BAND 137 khz is a different st= ory=20 with lots of QSO'S taking place and virtually no beacons.<= /DIV>
de G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b50adc2330; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:02:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 00414380002D1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqUY-0003Gx-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqUX-0003Gg-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqUV-0005GX-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAN48UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMGIQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="436751415" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: <007201ca960c$c68688c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: wspr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b50adbf5ba5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who ever is transmitting from 1754 - 56 and the other 1756 - 58 both= good visible signs but no decode mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who ever is transmitting from 1754 -= 56 and the=20 other 1756 - 58 both good visible signs but no decode
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-b5114b4384a023b; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:27:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E41838000081; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE7J-0004IT-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE7J-0004IK-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSE7G-0002l7-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMEABETQ0tZ8qiZ/2dsb2JhbACNRgbGOIQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="271441975" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.168.153]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:26:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:26:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: NETHERLANDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b43849e44bd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet another new one PAOAM has appeared this evening, 3 in the bag now= PA0AM, PA0A and PE5T. It seems I am their first QSO between the Nethe= rlands and the UK. How many more to come? de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yet another new one PAOAM has appeare= d this=20 evening, 3 in the bag now PA0AM, PA0A and PE5T. It seems I am their fi= rst QSO=20 between the Netherlands and the UK. How many more to come?
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b3dd72c228; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:06:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0381380009CD; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 06:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQfHU-0007po-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQfHU-0007pf-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQfHS-0003U1-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.214] (helo=[192.168.1.151]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQfHQ-0007yJ-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <4B3DD647.9030107@inext.at> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:02:31 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: odl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b3dd6b0473a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo victor ! tu fer pic testing new antenna running good in the new year hi happy new year 73 oe5odl ossi victor13@online.nl schrieb: > Happy new year to all, > > captured ODL this morning > 137710 Hz > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA063-a974b5ca9ec1ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA107-a974b5ca9ec1ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8pG-0000ea-5w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8pF-0000eR-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:49 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8pD-000245-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:49 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de (fwd06.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ8pC-0007fH-FT; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:46 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Eq4ldQZdghRHf9alnScD1UAtEKQ4cOIL-0LWcsNTsQZoCNs2H7YWPHmFDiS9sZ9Z1o@[84.147.226.95]) by fwd06.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ8p6-0jDRbs0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Eq4ldQZdghRHf9alnScD1UAtEKQ4cOIL-0LWcsNTsQZoCNs2H7YWPHmFDiS9sZ9Z1o X-TOI-MSGID: b712a499-97ad-480b-8677-ef14d4fa240f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; just=20 started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b4c52ff3ad; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:46:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E48838000258; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeFb-0008CK-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeFb-0008CB-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeFZ-0004yn-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CAjNMw032571 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:45:24 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:45:22 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Thread-Index: AcqTVc6/k7mtFMO1R+yQFFtyUO9j1QAHiLBk References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.671;11.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.103318 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9374.56FE9BC4" Subject: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b4c52fd3a40 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9374.56FE9BC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Johan,=20 =20 What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull class= E stage when a single stange can do it? I am interested! :-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 07:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. >=20 > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. 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tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b60a3a77668 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. > But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. > Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > LF, > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
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73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

--001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b5790f3dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5679438000104; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjuj-0002bB-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjuj-0002b2-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjuh-0000nJ-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from COL122-W42 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:24:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:24:33 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 23:24:33.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9062470:01CA9A27] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_" Subject: LF: WSPR_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b5790f200ec X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, OMs, I am going to sleep. My RX will continue. Thanks to all! 2312 11 2.3 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2314 -8 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2314 -25 -0.4 0.503890 0 WD2XSH/17 40 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, OMs, I am going to sleep. My RX will continue. Thanks to all!
2312  11  2.3   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37
2314=   -8  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2314= -25 -0.4   0.503890  0 WD2XSH/17 40

Lubos, OK2B= VG, JN88KS



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5ee34b3e1dc66f; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:07:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4346738000451; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjzs-0000cC-VA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjzs-0000c3-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjzp-0004hp-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20100101160454H0400skgite>; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:04:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B3E1D22.2030004@att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:04:50 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b3e1d736743 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) S9 here in North Carolina! Online audio stream though :( Anyone know rabid tiger? The Caroline Auction: "Lot 3: Used 5762 triode output valve from one of the transmitters on boar= d Ross=20 Revenge =96 =A3625 to rabid tiger" Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG014-9f14b4c62a9301; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:53:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14b4c62a9301; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:53:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfI5-0000P8-1w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfI4-0000Oz-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:04 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfI1-0008LY-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009D129A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4C625C.4080501@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:56 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, yes, a single ended class E amplifier would give the same power with both FETs in parallel but, due to symmetry, the push-pull design has the advantage of cancelling all even order harmonics by design. 3f is the first harmonic to worry about so the lowpass filter can be made simpler. The added complexity of push-pull is minimal - one more capacitor and one more DC feeding choke. And, yes, an output transformer in case you didn't already use one for impedance matching in the single ended case. By the way, the amplitude of the first harmonics of a single ended class E amplifier (without lowpass filter!) is 0.51/QL (2f) and 0.08/QL (3f) with respect to the carrier (1f) amplitude. QL is the loaded Q of the series resonant tank, XL/Rload. Example: If QL =3D 5.1, a reasonable value, the amplitude of the 2f harmonic will be 0.51/5.1 =3D 0.1 compared to the carrier i.e. -20dBc. In a perfectly balanced push-pull circuit, the 2f harmonic will disappear so the first harmonic problem will be 3f at -36dBc which is "16dB easier" to filter and further from the carrier as well :-). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Johan,=20 > =20 > What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull clas= s E stage when a single stange can do it? > I am interested! :-) > =20 > Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-a7d34b5c68f722b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:36:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56BE03800008F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4Ui-00070V-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4Ui-00070M-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4Uf-0000HZ-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0OFZEoD022893 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:14 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id 1608F7C833D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:15 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100124153515.GA12172@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.376 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23,WEIRD_PORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:15 +0100 (MET) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b5c68f63f23 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Markus et al., On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 02:57:01PM +0100, Markus Vester wrote: > well Walter was probably referring to the receiver FPGA, running > through those billions of calculations per second ;-) Ah, I see ;-) Actually, the FPGA is a bit bored; it could serve even more and wider bands, but our current server PC can't handle that, unless I reduce the maximum number of listeners. > Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio from the Twente receiver - hope > you don't mind! No, I don't mind at all. In fact, I already guessed it was you, based on the server's user list, but I'm happy to now know for sure. > I did set the carrier to a low frequency (300 Hz) so that WSPR can > cope with the samplerate interpolation. Ok. When I manage to run the WSPR decoder here locally, that samplerate interpolation problem can be eliminated. B.t.w., our LF and MF grabber is running again, on: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html I had to stop it earlier this week because of a programming error that caused it to take way too much computational effort. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a744b48d2f434b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:03:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA064-a744b48d2f434b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:03:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgZn-0008TG-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgZn-0008T7-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTgZl-0005Qa-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so68546453yxe.30 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BwAgmggg2QYYtXkpT4/Oum8QOuYGszVJ10gLPlGnFyU=; b=xN24ZgXo///vASeuP5YeBAYalXTkOuVmWCSLACbOnzS5rIan55qCWhmhGS9BawwbRI gBoNDV7kBMyHtphqmNlfD/RW2s8p8VPH/MG1ylq8Z0h7P4m3vYrCkkAatZIvcqFaXpFf XM6tnhutD5Et8bnI9TJdABS0omlVQ6xqIonOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RrKs2i0RSIBGTLqaT0zaLJFRv8iqmlgaNw8TMTFv/Z9LPr++HerzAwWMGooMi38POJ tesib2FaCV4PSRLSjRpwfmVUAatxkErN5H0H9Nl5cfxjacch9srvnf+RiWIyqicJ2ywo bsbNPHu6rUNTiG2urriR1Bzh4n/jHmv4PO8zY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.88.10 with SMTP id q10mr46715065ybl.191.1263063731291; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:02:11 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ba0b653e1b173595 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m209.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Perhaps we don't wish to. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/9 mal hamilton > Dead End mode > The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are strong > enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* KKorn42@aol.com > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: WSPR LA3? > > OK, Lee, > 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! > > It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. > > Or are we lured into a dead end ..... > > 73 > de > Klaus > dj6lb > > --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

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 --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-9fb4b579a2b169; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG025-9fb4b579a2b169; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:05:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXkWd-00032T-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXkWd-00032K-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:51 +0000 Received: from mcgi76.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXkWa-00028t-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi76.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi76.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BA217029 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.13.114] by mcgi76.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:37 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> Message-Id: <818345258.1264032217.49298088.7019@mcgi76.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: grabber at Twente WebSDR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Pieter-Tjerk, LF! Congratulations! Actually activity on the 137 at the 137.700 around into QRSS-3/10, 137.777 TA-window, 136.320 EU window QRSS-60 to 120-240. Orient to DF6NM grabber, for example: http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm 80m's LW without loading coil is not good idea for all time, for the start only. The other grabber links onto my grabber page: http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Roman * Pieter-Tjerk de Boer [Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100]: > Hello all, > > I've added an experimental 137 kHz "grabber" to the Twente WebSDR > receiver. It can be found at > http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html > The receiver is located in JO32KF, in Enschede in the east of the > Netherlands. The antenna currently is an end-fed 80m long wire on > the roof of a 40m high building. > > However, I'm rather new to amateur LF activity, so I don't know whether > the frequency range and scroll speed are appropriate for typical QRSS > activity on this band; comments on this are welcome! > > 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.205]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5ebc4b54b124354; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:06:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0B2D438000136; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWwuM-00062A-FQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWwuL-000621-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:02 +0000 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWwuL-0002VN-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 44058 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2010 19:04:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263841495; bh=GDfVufl2LNlZ7mzbHk0aCsSqCU24K6+dBkNNhaj+otM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uWZTTlFnRidTr+3n16zgg5VTowe+Lj1vVtCw98isMjnowx+4l67FOR8UDOTgeW/AJG0H/SbqeqeHKlj6hGxj6TkM3e7IbMn8GFuk9lTA1clL+vSvAPmX5K2TAJ9XxOnRISvNRy/vxAkzx5AUgru0f5ZC/Bw5Or5s5QQi8PNfKUk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ahfUIHawDhwsg6BBhbn1BKwzW3U7YrqgqjnZP5lX68hTyaeI0+2XFPCO2k+N7AGw2LEK4NR+mIVpYBAg77aM8WUh4pdQLVq0SB90190B/+KeGb0O++PTdIui85/WpwJ2E3w1yAlSwNtekW/cGQXC7cqvbFEcjENr8Hca2QmkGK4=; Message-ID: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D6ClO1UVM1nEVLKxvszKGH0sWqxel4LZyPUxWnZQgbpIwQVMo0JXt4VcCOjpF4mnUrI6sZFznA3xbAr3TaN4JXjR7A6nsdm0KRgEX75MignLDWcGSVEZXbkhtZVQIVTEAWEjnYmzCFSRH9WE3SAsSO3NQI1RIwNBq_ivV43_y5Rky9NcaoAapEMEjxsQzGt8VFW8qSFjcML85kiKmYhVBU6HM5U3hV0Db0ajuCDNmKmlZx6x_r_slAGhHEX3lxhvVcPtXXcMGpKothjn Received: from [81.152.103.93] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:04:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B54A3D3.6040408@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4b54b121269c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there! 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski wrote: From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? To: "137khz" Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09 Dear=C2=A0 LF group, I know, it is=C2=A0 rather=C2=A0 outside=C2=A0 of a regular=C2=A0 LF/MF=C2= =A0 issues, however i=C2=A0 thought it would=C2=A0 be interesting to some= readers... Recently,=C2=A0 i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file=C2=A0 for more details, especially about= hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) -=C2=A0 for me, it is simply=C2=A0 a sor= t of "entertainment"=C2=A0 being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine=C2=A0 a construction of=C2=A0 uplink/downlink=C2=A0 setup on= board a satellite=C2=A0 including=C2=A0 miniwhip antenna for=C2=A0 RX'ing= =C2=A0 of=C2=A0 LF/MF=C2=A0 signals and sending them back to earth=C2=A0 on 70 cm=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 ( one could= chase=C2=A0 his/her own signal=C2=A0 playing with Doppler etc.. or simply= =C2=A0 make a qso...) Of course, the above price covers=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0rocket launch . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A073 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth:=C2=A0 Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought=C2=A0 i could throw-in=C2=A0 a 'penny' , say, 100 $=C2= =A0 so=C2=A0 adding other 79=C2=A0 members ( i mean , their penny) of this= group and we=C2=A0 may have our "LF/MF toy"=C2=A0 in space=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0:)=C2=A0=20 =20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there!

= 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski &l= t;sq7mpj@toya.net.pl> wrote:

From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net= .pl>
Subject: LF: LF/MF into space???
To: "137khz" <rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org>
Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09

Dear  LF group,
I know, it is  rather&= nbsp; outside  of a regular  LF/MF  issues, however i = thought it would  be interesting to some readers...
Recently,&nbs= p; i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit:
http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1= .htm
{ please, read also the pdf file  for more details, espec= ially about hardware and software already included in this Kit }
Ok, du= e to its price ( 8.000 US$) -  for me, it is simply  a sort of= "entertainment"  being amateur radio related, however,
i can imag= ine  a construction of  uplink/downlink  setup onboard a sa= tellite  including  miniwhip antenna for  RX'ing  of&n= bsp; LF/MF  signals
and sending them back to earth  on 70 cm&= nbsp; band  ( one could chase  his/her own signal  playing= with Doppler etc.. or simply  make a qso...)
Of course, the above price covers=    rocket launch .

         = ;                     &n= bsp;  73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:  Lodz/jo91rs/
p.s. i= just thought  i could throw-in  a 'penny' , say, 100 $  so=   adding other 79  members ( i mean , their penny) of this group= and we  may have
our "LF/MF toy"  in space   = :) 


=20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b4aeabc38d; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:09:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29F1F3800010E; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUGFp-0000FO-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUGFp-0000FF-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUGFm-0004IC-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8551C2C9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAFE31E706 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:09 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:15 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3899494==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4aeabb36b0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_3899494==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent last night: PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in Texas: 2010-01-11 03:20 PA0A 0.503899 -27 0 JO33de 5 KL1X/5 EM26ar 7546 302 Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X (7066km). Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range. TA crossings west to east: WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km) WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km) TA crossings east to west: PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km) M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km) SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km) G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km) Also: There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible. Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots) Another remarkable thing: Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km) Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote: >2010-01-11 >02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X BP51ip 7066 347 > > >PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > >Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > >73 > >Laurence KL 1 X >(remote ops) > > >---------- >Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >Get it now. --=====================_3899494==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent last night:
PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in Texas:

2010-01-11 03:20   PA0A   0.503899   -27   0   JO33de   5   KL1X/5   EM26ar   7546   302

Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X (7066km).
Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range.

TA crossings west to east:
WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km)
WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km)

TA crossings east to west:
PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km)
M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km)
SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km)
G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km)

Also:
There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible.
Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots)

Another remarkable thing:
Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km)
Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54   PA0A   0.503899   -25   0   JO33de   5   KL1X   BP51ip   7066   347
 
 
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
 
Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X
(remote ops)

Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
--=====================_3899494==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a094b4efb232e2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:08:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG043-a094b4efb232e2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:08:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVNXP-0007Pm-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVNXP-0007Pd-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVNXN-00088Y-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so5803553pzk.16 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:06:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=97wF7fqQ2wRDS1PIVtUytPIZQqqoCZhOUdZPt9CUlL4=; b=Y9SlJClKuOLL+bHSDR4S6bpWOeLaVWti4LOKAF+INFWlr1x5oUtZ0rxAeZ5RwhZmtu XAG7m+meuXc/0ge2jAOEwxHYIaDgtKiB/mZKe77k4ihcpNC1MdUPU+vKQ1v5jB4gqIX1 xL8rcB4Tjt02WXQ6Kcy2bUMkcBRrc1W59RjP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IkG149xiSeWH/eb0UloTq1EkKTfIaq/J77SP5C0AbRAHcHbcJIc9QNAGWvoVWvZiug hMyjHw7SMS4S8V+EbvoQ/3tO9QgNPmYELIGkcCd4+GfR4ipx3CwJLeGJMUHFY46HkPLh iLCC8ZKBSdRR7bmjHtcwyxo0JUQLJcuH4Fr80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.4.4 with SMTP id g4mr473579rvi.213.1263467191223; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:06:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:30 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33af5dd3bc0aa06e Message-ID: <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi guys, Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. Thanks all the comments. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/13 James Moritz > Dear LF Group, > > ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a > better IF frequency from the drift point of view. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > > > > over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >> 503848 to 503885 >> >> 73, Rik >> > > > --000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys,

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes= as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert,= I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an ho= ur or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary= - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mor= itz@btopenworld.com>
Dear LF Group,

...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be= a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift



over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503= 848 to 503885

73, Rik



--000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-8bf44b6444da327; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:40:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 349C43800011A; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbETk-0002mn-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbETk-0002me-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbETh-0001D1-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so5804743pxi.30 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U4+aaKbAZ7HSHhe5wOZegJ0a/TMcjuQcGW6TLIJu0HA=; b=ryOxzENBDZDLncdNRDx/U7nBSC0bFNI52uBdl4NMuZD+XcZohc9E741Yr5f9X8mfho 2UCcTcE0qep4TCz0ZaO0yxMRg5y8LWv8aayt5PL5nWWS3oZhE2Wsoc5O6SADeJJxipJW w9AAI/UmUAogsXgQc3IOFLwBghvwHxNI6VDek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=a9AS0t1Afgeogvj+G72iFyi5HUKZg5enCsEaXZerkl/HVBVpmHS1vq2qO2phkM83Sp XGF6pRmKqJPz8DAAi9fm7UfCkqchS7ax638CILKFMhs/uTOF4fdfjPCF9M/D01VJX56j 5GuP/zXM2yXhXu4L4ryoqYSYu+m7R8tpMtib0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr1506746rvi.192.1264862345638; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6b30473de15a3654 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001300639j2b9c3890g3eafa799562f440e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 502.200 kHz GB4FPR correction Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6444d97a7c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Frequency in use should be *502.000 kHz*. 73, Gary. On 30 January 2010 14:34, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi LF, > > Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, > testing at the moment 1430utc. > > Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > --000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

Frequency in use should be 502.000 kHz.

73, =A0Gary.

On= 30 January 2010 14:34, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi LF,

Listen for GB4F= PR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the mo= ment 1430utc.

Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very= welcome.

73, Gary - G4WGT =A0

--000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b43a6f297; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:54:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 294FD3800017E; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSGOu-0005Da-D8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSGOt-0005DR-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSGOr-0003UJ-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:11 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so10769088pwj.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:53:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vXljGrGXH/6WLdXnVYNrMtT1oROo+vQGoKqJspda+ao=; b=uI7+xZ0scPNhMH+00sRmaScEY9jntOcVNJuO+mk51F3gu4uTjLHlWVZZnhSRw/Zrvq 3yb3M0CqY/K/wpsBt5NINDz2Sy0uuim21tnOqoy8+FIpY3oICS+R+wn/V+bDD8bpaP37 hoPYLpCwvT9UvAfGlN+HzQG2UQVNTikUr6SUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RuxrD5r8gexudF8FUukwlyS11yDxypmOHLWBIxvl55qqLlZFSVvYbuw4ocmiTALpY3 stIOVCAKS5Jo2bFEs2UwwkCUyw+CgNUvamgh5nIUBYWWMd/hMrXjzHpFq1TsFhLztx9t bkmRLgmM4xlVITaErmRrOPHVxaBxv+EHt7Tvc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr16814208rvi.31.1262724781970; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:53:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:53:01 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf60425f7669317c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051253p319c8cd8v15ee5aabc9f2172a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd10952141784047c71063a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b43a6f16046 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10952141784047c71063a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Victor, OK now, the WSPR signal looks OK & good strength here. The spots are coming on the WSPR spots page OK now. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO 2010/1/5 > Hello Gary, > > that was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the > soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time being, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*Namens *Gary - G4WGT > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 > > Hi, > > Look at this capture. > > Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 > minute period. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > --000e0cd10952141784047c71063a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor,

OK now, the WSPR signal looks OK & good str= ength here. The spots are coming on the WSPR spots page OK now.
=
73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO

2010/1/5 <vict= or13@online.nl>
Hello=20 Gary,
=A0
that=20 was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the=20 soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time=20 being,
=A0
73
Victor=
PA3FNY=
-----Oo= rspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary -=20 G4WGT
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16
Aan:= =20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up= -=20 2

Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can se= e the=20 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi= =20 All,
 
Anyo= ne come across=20 these?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA95DF.DB332C10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b503d661da; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 918A8380000B4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0T-0006J1-Pn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0T-0006Is-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVj0Q-0001EP-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9052F51C012 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F95F3862 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:10 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115100201.88F95F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7833917==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b503d6445db X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_7833917==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, it's only 337km but since I started WSPR this=20 morning (06:10UTC) you are 100% copy. Maybe we should try a QRSS QSO (or CW/QRSS QSO) one of these days. A WSPR/CW QSO would also be possible. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:36 15/01/2010, you wrote: >Lubos, > >Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR.=20 >You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record=20 >for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached= 990kms. > >73s >Roger > >2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> >Hello OM=B4s! >I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at=20 >night and than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK: > >0458 -20 -1.3 0.503943 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0500 -26 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0500 -17 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0502 -21 -1.1 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0506 -22 -1.3 0.503949 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0508 -27 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0510 -26 -1.3 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0512 -23 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0514 -27 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0514 -29 -1.3 0.503950 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0518 -23 -1.2 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0520 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0522 -27 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0524 -13 2.0 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0526 -28 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0528 -12 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0530 -24 -1.0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0534 -27 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0536 -29 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0536 -26 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0538 -24 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0540 -25 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0544 -24 -1.1 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0546 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0550 -29 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0556 -19 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0600 -26 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0600 -14 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0602 -26 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0608 -15 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0608 -19 -1.2 0.503941 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0616 -12 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0620 -19 2.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0620 -24 -1.2 0.503942 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0624 -26 -1.3 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0626 -21 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0656 -23 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0700 -23 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0704 -21 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0712 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0720 -13 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0724 -22 0.0 0.503899 1 PA0A JO33 37 >0728 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0734 -16 0.1 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0740 -19 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0744 -19 0.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0750 -25 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > >73! > >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > >************************************** > > > >---------- >Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly.=20 >Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten= prav=FD? > > > > >-- > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_7833917==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger,

it's only 337km but since I started WSPR this morning (06:10UTC)  you are 100% copy.
Maybe we should try a QRSS QSO (or CW/QRSS QSO) one of these days.
A WSPR/CW QSO would also be possible.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:36 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello OM=B4s!
I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK:

0458 -20 -1.3   0.503943  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0500 -26  0.4   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0500 -17  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0502 -21 -1.1   0.503948  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0506 -22 -1.3   0.503949  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0508 -27  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0510 -26 -1.3   0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23
0512 -23  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0514 -27  0.4   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0514 -29 -1.3   0.503950  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0518 -23 -1.2   0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0520 -14  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0522 -27 -1.2   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0524 -13  2.0   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0526 -28 -1.3   0.503952  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0528 -12  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0530 -24 -1.0   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0534 -27 -1.3   0.503952  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0536 -29  0.3   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0536 -26  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0538 -24 -1.2   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0540 -25  2.2   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0544 -24 -1.1   0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23
0546 -14  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0550 -29 -1.1   0.503942  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0556 -19  2.2   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0600 -26  0.3   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0600 -14  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0602 -26 -1.1   0.503942  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0608 -15  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0608 -19 -1.2   0.503941  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0616 -12  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -19  2.4   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -24 -1.2   0.503942  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0624 -26 -1.3   0.503948  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0626 -21  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0656 -23  0.0   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0700 -23  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0704 -21  0.0   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0712 -16  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0720 -13  0.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0724 -22  0.0   0.503899  1 PA0A JO33 37
0728 -16  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0734 -16  0.1   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0740 -19  0.3   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0744 -19  0.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0750 -25  0.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hi LF,
Capture 137.775.5khz
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
capture 06-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Graham Brown - G0NBD DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b5ca5c42b77 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 --000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Here is the picture so far. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Graham, LF! > I saw your signal on 503kHz. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 > Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 > > Set dial 501.500 : USB > Audio set 1500 Hz > Mode PSK63F Digital sstv > > Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! > > Reports ? > > Tnx - Graham > G0NBD > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. > --000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham,

Here is the picture so far.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/24 Lubos OK2B= VG <bvgbob@hotm= ail.com>
Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV= 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=A0 fro= m=20 Multipsk on 503.000
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Set=A0 dial=A0 501.500 : USB <= /div>
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode=A0 PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=
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Very slow data=A0 rate .....=A0 might= =A0=20 take a=A0 while to=A0 show=A0 1 line !
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Reports ?
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Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
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--000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-a0764b43b3a53b; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:48:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D094A3800009D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSHFA-0005O6-8o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSHF9-0005Nx-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:47:11 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSHF6-0003g4-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 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Thread-Index: AcqOI8Bei1pUWnYfQiexK/gfckVkFgAK5iJy References: <1160510449@web.de> <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> <003901ca8e22$e7e90200$6402a8c0@e7010> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.659;05.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.5.213040 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8E50.A0258847" Subject: AW: LF: oe5odl ZAA? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b43b3a31c60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8E50.A0258847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fully agree with Walters opinion! You have a very good station and do a= good job in activating the band! We all profite of the active stations.= If there would be no activity, nobody would start to do the lot of work= that has to be done to become qrv. And so, the band would slowly become= quiete... =20 We should see us, the Lowfers, as a community of active OMs (are there YLs= ?) who are fascinated by the technic and the noise and the weak signals an= d the contest/ssb-free zone, perhaps by the stressless way to communicate= and so on, but not as competitors... =20 awdh!! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Walter und Marianne= Staubach Gesendet: Di 05.01.2010 17:19 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Hallo Ossi, please stay on frequency. We need your signal. I think it was only one who saw a crocodile. Don`t worry. 73 and best fer 2010 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? > entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new year= " > da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werde > ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 > oe5odl ossi > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > Dear Ossi, > > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands= for experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape strip "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explanin= g message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc. > > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band= , with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as TEST or QST message. > > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amateur mode. > > > > 55, > > Hans-Albrecht > > DK 8 ND > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl > >> > > > > > > > >> Hallo victor ! > >> tu fer pic testing new antenna > >> running good in the new year hi > >> happy new year > >> 73 oe5odl ossi > >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: > >> > >>> Happy new year to all, > >>> > >>> captured ODL this morning > >>> 137710 Hz > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> Victor > >>> PA3FNY > >>> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > 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H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: csrvJswVM1kcxG8EaPaQyaTlrYPPP6ojXQk2w30s0Bn6rzKxaVw8dJbFvKUGO7235DujTXVE52pCq98wMWmN83B_AzFVsxgmxQFspcO3GvPR8KiWhXVm49eOV_4S8RJViGm5SuSnWZb4tYTM77DWDeogpF4qiRcBN.JZuabzwxUCAPjI8co4cgYhtS.U5gmYDrj2KeiRUw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:10:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. 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Hi all,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA905B.8F93C410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-86074b5b5fe01d6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0490038000042; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmqH-0007zv-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmqG-0007zm-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:24 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmqE-0007xD-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b5b5fde7efa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-b5114b58d59a229; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:30:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6AF53380000F6; 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c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FBZVGR8nlM2nhv43SzD/OqbXPYlQZ+u5ddtxe6r8dTGy8hWY/dikf+X3+bRpwQIVHX 0h1ttUFr9G2MHmvUndSOHqHKClsIIhWS+9uEy8dBmIzjH9rdmMEQG7Fe9IS/wy7ORVrE DL+VZiUESZTDYrqaLFp8eDaD214Wnli9Iwx9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.137.199 with SMTP id m7mr225354hbm.95.1264112978222; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:29:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b58d5983e2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah... I wonder. Jim's DT setting for your sigs is around +2 seconds. Which means in the opposite direction it would be -2s. This is a bit marginal. The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I *think* the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s negative and up to 6s positive to allow for the EME delay. But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends if it has the same time-search margin. Would have thought it does. Unless Jim's timing is out.....? Just a thought. WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > OK Andy, > > Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am currently > on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. > > Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the rate > shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say that > is OK. > > I will try again tomorrow. > > Thanks again. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > >> may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not >> B...G. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> Andy, >>> >>> You wrote :- >>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>> >>> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >>> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >>> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >>> in the manual. >>> >>> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >>> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >>> that of any help to me? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >>> >>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>> >>>>> LF, >>>>> >>>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>> >>>>>> LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>>> >>>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>>>> replies. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah...
I wonder.
=A0
Jim's DT setting for your sigs =A0is around +2 seconds.=A0=A0 Whi= ch means in the opposite direction it would be -2s.=A0=A0 This is a bit ma= rginal.=A0=A0 The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I t= hink the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s=A0nega= tive and up to 6s positive to allow for the=A0EME delay.
=A0
But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends= if it has the same time-search margin.=A0 Would have thought it does.=A0= =A0 Unless Jim's timing is out.....?
=A0
Just a thought.=A0=A0 WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it= certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
OK Andy,=20

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am cur= rently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.

Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set= for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003.= I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Thanks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.









--001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a8c4b5831e0267; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:52:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b5831e0267; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:52:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXudE-0004Vt-EU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXudE-0004Vk-32 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXudB-0005BJ-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWL007UFFHAXK@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:51:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:51:05 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 21-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sGaZvui8SLOQ3bwIAcyJvA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_sGaZvui8SLOQ3bwIAcyJvA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ)" --Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF, Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 21-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren LF,
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b48a54d21db X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only WSPR V2 can decode compound callsigns which are sent in 2 consecutive transmissions. In the second tx the call is sent as a hash-code which can not be decoded on its own. Most probably this is the case here. I can not hear it here at present - otherwise I would try. 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only WSPR V2 can decode compound callsigns which are sent in 2 consec= utive=20 transmissions. In the second tx the call is sent as a hash-code which can= not be=20 decoded on its own.
Most probably this is the case here.
I can not hear it here at present - otherwise I would try.
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
 --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b60a9a4102; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:01:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 68577380000E5; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEzr-0004mg-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEzq-0004mX-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:18 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEzo-0006VZ-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:18 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069956815D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:14 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b60a9a21e6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rik,Andy, normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decodes down to -32 dB although rare... 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Rik,Andy,
 
normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decode= s down to -32 dB=20 although rare...
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik=20 Strobbe
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33
Aa= n:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR=20 Reports

Andy,
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a narrow=20 filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR val= ues=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari= 2010=20 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or= is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5c44b5ca9ed3dd; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG051-5c44b5ca9ed3dd; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8or-0000eN-Gm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8or-0000eE-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8op-00023w-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC7D81C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F6A11C0009C for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2059F1C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124201217132.2059F1C0009A@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Gary for the off air picture .. G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Gary for the  off&nb= sp; air =20 picture  ..
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 




------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-86274b5dfedd1fa; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E832F38000085; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZVWD-0005Ux-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZVWD-0005Uo-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZVWA-0002sq-RS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de (fwd08.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZVW4-0004JZ-RQ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:32 +0100 Received: from e7010 (XdwtwsZYrhVCJ4-FWObF7H9Whbjk2Azq2r60ETf4X+aZ6t5ZILN8yyIBfaJ2qnawND@[84.147.243.152]) by fwd08.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZVW3-0ijTHM0; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01ca9dfc$ae073db0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: XdwtwsZYrhVCJ4-FWObF7H9Whbjk2Azq2r60ETf4X+aZ6t5ZILN8yyIBfaJ2qnawND X-TOI-MSGID: 63a0c99c-a0aa-4e37-aeac-4f4eeb6beb5d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WHISPERing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60914b5dfedb0f96 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The beacon DI2AG is on 505,090 in WHISPER. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The beacon DI2AG is on 505,090 in=20 WHISPER.
73  Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF<= /DIV>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.27]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-8b814b5d4fee11c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:01:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0AFE138000090; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZJrz-0003Sa-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZJry-0003SR-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:22 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJrw-0005pY-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:22 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0P80EQA047728 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 Message-ID: <7058406e0f760b568d29f756c8036bdc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601b4b5d4fec259c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Z on 509 kHz is the upper sideband of NDB Zilnia from Slovakia. The carrier is at 508 kHz. BL is the lower sideband of a UNID with the carrier at 510 kHz. Location probably northern Africa. I hope this helps. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-869b4b58a55c1ca; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:05:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F5613800009C; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2Jt-0006SY-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2Jt-0006SP-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2Jr-00087k-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so190777pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=i8YkKBJ0j3M7qcXUOvekwFPpKaDvXeHYlGecpksnVWI=; b=SscwrFpSuxn+kpLLCHDRkiBmdjGY4OfF8FCjdQZGn/R2NOXdcThkXr/cxdhDH6UOpI kaHGyAl02ClOUTFLolP0SAjJGq7Owy17VXzLzodb/ECHntcJzOaKmJ/9RVsDhHG6UWcS b4MNcE3XCJvTi7iVjrkvzBCguDKMHXNeMwmIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=d09nIslM1c9qJLRd63Nt+cJ1scNiU6VLNIbMI0hw5YfHGs9yggZt+LpZl49BWcpNXt j9bqKthflVjljUCklpGKllYWquTYRzYW4APa4uT8iQinF2rewbqQWuV65y2XutCU8xgE JOG/T8t0kG6XmDPLCaoprdvITNeXYxSwPp790= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.4 with SMTP id r4mr6007242rvq.3.1264100623784; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:43 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 947164e34297f13d Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b58a55a033d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A replies. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.
=

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>


--000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b50e212243; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D501538000099; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtyX-0007mv-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtyX-0007mm-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtyV-0006x1-9V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03672000006D for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB48D20000067 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B50E1D9.2050905@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010107070605030603050701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b50e2103d91 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010107070605030603050701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit victor13@online.nl wrote: > Hello Lubos, > > later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get > positive decodes, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY Dear Victor, LF Group despite consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with my first successful decode of ur wspr signal : 2020 -17 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2032 -13 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2042 -11 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2050 -12 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2056 -28 -0.6 0.503970 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2058 -17 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2108 -13 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2116 -13 1.3 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2124 -14 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2134 -13 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 73, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------010107070605030603050701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable v= ictor13@online.nl wrote:
Hello Lubos,
=A0
later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive decodes,
=A0
73
Victor
PA3FNY
Dear Victor, LF Group

despite=A0 consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with=A0 my first successful decode
of ur wspr signal :

2020 -17=A0 1.1=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2032 -13=A0 0.9=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2042 -11=A0 0.9=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2050 -12=A0 1.1=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2056 -28 -0.6=A0=A0 0.503970=A0 0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2058 -17=A0 1.0=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2108 -13=A0 1.0=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2116 -13=A0 1.3=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2124 -14=A0 1.2=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2134 -13=A0 1.2=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 73, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

 --------------010107070605030603050701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-861e4b54ca1537b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:52:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 337B3380000AD; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyZ1-0006mR-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyZ1-0006mI-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyYy-0003OX-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5DE3B7000088 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5123C7000094 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.143]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C63007000088 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100118205056811.C63007000088@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8F68856579324DFBBDEE947B86E8036D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:50:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b54ca130ff9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Clemens, Mal was looking at 900 Hz spread with 100 Hz separation .. from= you=20 post, you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? nothing like that shows at Liverpool .. only a random pattern ca= used=20 by the modulation , Gary captured this pattern a while ago > http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/504%20off%201353z%2020090720.jpg G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > Graham, > > the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. > The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. > I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? > Or do I miss your point? > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > ? > Clemens > > I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is on= ly > across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the = noise=20 > on > spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clemens Paul" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > >> That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. >> Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, >> a bit more than 3Hz below. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "mal hamilton" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >>> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >>> g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> >>>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum= lines >>>> showing, >>>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>>> >>>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.90= 0=20 >>>> and >>>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >>> frequency >>>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "mal hamilton" >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>>> > carrier >>>> > 503.4 K/cs >>>> > de mal/g3kev >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "James Moritz" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>>> >> >>>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: >> 01/17/10 08:35:00 >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum:= =20 > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.83]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-86334b3e17dbbb; 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Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:55 +0100 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:41:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqK+O963H9AHp59SUqDRf+szVXpxg== X-ID: VOIMjuZEohqSOgooP+B7XCmsesRtIAcqrr34kscTY10ghYnisRVN7CDr0UN4iGugma X-TOI-MSGID: 48709615-631e-4731-8fe1-e1cbca208f53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2BJ at sundown Friday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60534b3e17b2633f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Group ! Hny to everyone on board :-). DI2BJ will be active from 1545z thru sundown on 505.030 kc today. This is to provide observations thru the decay of D and E layers at the transmitter location. 73 de wolf df2py ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Group !

Hny to everyone on board= J. DI2BJ will be active from 1545z thru sundown on 505.030 kc  today= . This is to provide observations thru the decay of D and E layers at the transmitt= er location.  73 de wolf   df2py<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a654b58cb521b7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA045-a654b58cb521b7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4ql-0007rw-62 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4qk-0007rn-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:58 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4qi-0000YX-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:58 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so572231pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:45:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WzCFHIPICgO9yd4asOCcIvUWcKWWlsef5G6xiN0TI50=; b=oVmkC8zDrB4xu0ucgMDjYABjxE8asByfAffCqXXZ81TXLq+rmiLYY54DgeNUPjI/sx YPl/WTlYIYcoTjHW0xk44/b+gCPJds/ZqlswkbKL63DVfeZTCOdZtT2SP2e3JN9nKURl fNB7XjM4nrlQ6wxu2wpqKJPYMQRxxq0Aoyo7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uB2yNHygS25Y58ibNSSVB/w8rcJpmvTZeSuvyBS+Jfpi7vqqhmHUiHw99Y58FaHpda a6hApPGhGTPgBJIfzoewOQKJBmFi9Tje1TPWDwnorchqWyplNAP98U0F63DzeVOyrFzM PV+Rd9HiECy9+/hL/5S3gc8U0+H0G7m025t0U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr1383763rvq.264.1264110346577; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:45:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:46 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 419a98091b50dc3b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andy, You wrote :- Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified in the manual. There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is that of any help to me? 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> LF, >>> >>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>> >>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>> replies. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sam= pling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that di= splayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always within the= recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those figures for= stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified in th= e manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setu= p menu but no description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition= in 7.03 but not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com><= br>
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.






--000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a774b451557d7; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:57:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b451557d7; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:57:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSenW-0000Wc-Eg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSenW-0000WT-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSenU-0008JZ-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-3-192.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.3.192] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSenT-0001Zf-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4B4515A0.2010707@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:58:40 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) What I am hearing on 500.1 is the following in 12WPM CW at 2245 BEACON DE SK6RUD = QTH JO6 7KI = PSE RPRT TO www.radiorud.se = Good signal 579 with QSB Regards Peter G3LDO James Moritz wrote: > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the > "12th test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no > callsign or other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the > location is Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST > on 500 > G3KEV > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-5ead4b5a219c359; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:07:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 324E93800009E; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRe2-00047e-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRe2-00047V-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f191.google.com ([209.85.222.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRe0-0007zs-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: by pzk29 with SMTP id 29so1421305pzk.17 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:06:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IjrDVuK53FYHsFvZkZcsmWWpRxpBOADEnh8/0eTHngg=; b=iV/Ouz8lr5Oimgh0BammWfOXuKGFMK8jiO0TBAptoQ4O9499DRZ1JGeSPPmrwpux3a V81wobHQrRgamA7VniiGOEYlJPECE9yNO9rAjs9h2CLsjW2KceM4eTqTq2d6Lipuu0/7 P43lz47ZF8lU1xgON8XXM9X0gEAX7jnGPeQa4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WEueJrn4bWG73ujVHPt30Um3IiN6BQeBDOff1hMz9KVZHMFqgAgonsdB+lM9OhBHv+ QVexwtlBTcV0QUhi9dvpx9T5J+NqmGdRceWqypehcvNQPPuFyErf8ewUzFEbJsm9XoJ8 xnJmVr/np/YftWkhjSj6HGiFO4reNOFYlgYZQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr2398059rvl.250.1264197971611; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:06:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:11 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fc34286d4fca630c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b5a219a3160 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by the red marker line on the scale at the top. Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon catch on :-)) 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). > But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. > I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good value > would be 20 or more). > Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the > trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.) > most of the time it is still decoding Jim. > Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) as > Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Rik, >> >> That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT >> >> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >> Sync = 9 >> dB = -2 >> DT = 0.0 >> DF = -107 >> W = 33 >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>>: >> >> Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >> >> LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Thanks for the report & pleased you are gettin= g decodes now.

If you click the mouse on the &quo= t;Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down &am= p; click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandp= ass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will= exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by= the red marker line on the scale at the top.

Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but yo= u will soon catch on :-))

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
Gary,

OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail).
But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy.
I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good valu= e would be 20 or more).
Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the= trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.= ) most of the time it is still decoding Jim.
Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value= (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>>

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =A0figu= res WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuv= en.be>>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.














--000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.152]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-85ff4b50acac2b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 689823800014D; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqQA-0002t8-Gl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqQA-0002sz-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqQ8-0005AL-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFADs7UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKNFVgjeBegQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="424991930" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: <006901ca960c$252ef9d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40984b50acab2c39 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Maybe RTE 2nd harmonic gone wrong? mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b4a98e88f; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:20:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D6B4F380000BB; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAoA-0007yX-C7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAoA-0007yO-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.104]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUAo8-0006Q3-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20100111031859H0400sk599e>; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B4A989F.1010002@att.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:18:55 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" , 600MRG References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b4a98e61b6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence KL1X wrote: > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 > KL1X BP51ip 7066 347 But that is only 7066 km. Got you beat :) 2010-01-11 03:08 WD2XSH/10 0.503857 -21 0 EM95tg 2 DL4RAJ JN68kj 7378 46 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b6249c83ac; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:36:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 92A1B380000BA; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nagi7-0005I5-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nagi6-0005Hw-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nagi4-0004LV-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi35.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491CD17154 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.15.119] by mcgi35.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:37 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Message-Id: <294710097.1264732537.160446436.49340@mcgi35.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: UA9CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514b6249c62329 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stefan, LF! UA9CS op.Igor from Ekaterinburg city over the Ural mountains, asiatic=20 russia. We always know him here hi is a very famous op in SAT and in LF too. His signal "S" into mode 90-120-240 are visible so often in Moscow on=20 the RN3AGC grabber. I copy his trace at once, but my rx condition more poor then Andrey's=20 RN3AGC. I can re-send your message to Igor, he can't read RSGB I think. DFCW-3 impossible for your distance I think, his signal are not so=20 strong in Moscow into mode 120/240. Start to SWL him, he is active every day by a beacon. Check his activity= =20 by the russian grabbers in Izhevsk, Asbest and Moscow. His signal visible 100% every day in Izhevsk and Asbest grabbers if that= =20 grabbers still working. 73! Roman * Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer [Sun, 24 Jan 2010=20 20:18:47 +0100]: > Dear LF, > > Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO > with him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and > already asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an > interesting LF web site and seems to be well qrv. Distance for me is=20 abt > 3400km, what would be interesting in DFCW3 ;-) > > Stefan/DK7FC > > * "winmail.dat" -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.203]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b5793282ea; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:35:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0F84B38000052; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk3n-0002jT-VA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk3n-0002jK-J3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXk3m-0000qN-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from COL122-W18 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:33:56 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:33:56 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 23:33:56.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AA5E00:01CA9A29] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_" Subject: LF: WSPR_M0BMU X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4b5793263d80 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim! I am just going to sleep, but I have to sent you a written record: 2322 -4 -0.8 0.503969 0 M0BMU IO91 17 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim!
I am just going to sleep, but I have to sent you a written= record:

2322  -4= -0.8   0.503969  0 M0BMU IO91 17

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 =
Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b58c32a8d; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:12:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 244DE3800007C; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Is-0007JM-Jk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Is-0007JD-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:58 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4Im-0000SR-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:57 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so272581pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:10:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HIoJOPtir+I8zkYbjr9XBxrUMCObi7QphcGRYW1oL5I=; b=Dg7Ie0FAibaLTt0IhIN9NrzhBlS/CPHEI1k30tb9nsdWxFou+yuKuhMtjw613pBmTp HNuNDJmjZbRA9tcNwV/xIuFOOTMTKtgbsTrm8rWisPqqiP6WvC7E97/qIXHaf7inZB73 rIJDpOJ7xo8kOVELBAmlhgeRwGaINQz+wMuX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uLDm6rawjDF7U2t/frwc2jrXEvaINEOkdH0LZ5QMv0DynOS32OJ4yEXAX4wZE7x8aA jpY1wkEusZWoUXRXA59/oyhyjubGqgFxyIOt1UxwWZj2kiDXrrfHL24FeDVaR+FzSHxp pyyiIAV6sJTzWgPjqroSKNtYovOcbDdaGqHFA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr1356199rvq.264.1264108244912; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:10:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:44 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: acb60502758ac583 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b58c329717f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each > even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. > > In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A > replies. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > --000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. No= t sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.

<= div>

2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&g= t;
LF,

I am currently tra= nsmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the= ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.




--000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b61f2ef2cd; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B68238000116; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naavb-0003aw-EE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naavb-0003al-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:23 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaavZ-00026Y-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:22 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0SKPA3B004174 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.beb.5ceef1c0 (43918) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179161207.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.161.207]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC087-ab8e4b61f2a23c9; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:08 -0500 Message-ID: <06D2FCE49D5049D293B2F749823AF7D5@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b61f2ed4de3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Andrey, yes your 5 watt beacon was visible here until about 23:15, with maximu= m fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m.=20 73 de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rn3agc=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was= covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and= turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM= . 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Andrey,
 
yes your 5 watt beacon was visible he= re until about=20 23:15, with maximum fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m.
 
73 de Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rn3agc=
Sent: Thursday, January 28,= 2010 4:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon= AGC

Thanks, Victor!
Experiment will not completel= y=20 successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice,
the reson= ance=20 shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the= =20 transmitter.
Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on= the grabber=20 DF6NM.

73 Andrey

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a1f4b50ec05393; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b50ec05393; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVudf-0000Vh-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVudf-0000VY-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVude-0003z9-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222224.KREN4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:24 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuYi-0005b3-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:24 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <038401ca9631$35426cb0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzwAADNcQA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=W1dliW1a85PdsJchGpoA:7 a=4W0BBf5T8ZtIIIIRGcr5bYf8pBkA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=IGp3AnS67dkHxXei:21 a=rSj1chUeeg7cdi9w:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Amateurs using the washing machine??? Good god man....heresy!!! =20 =20 =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 15 January 2010 22:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG062-5f74b5780852fb; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:15:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG102-5f74b5780852fb; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:15:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXip6-0000ui-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXip5-0000uS-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXip3-0001Om-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0OALsOV0tUDZUV/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYcvjG69JYQ2BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,313,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299810623" Received: from host-84-13-149-21.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.149.21]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 22:14:39 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeh ! Congratu= lations Roger.

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Lubos you have= the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

 <= /font>

73

 <= /font>

Eddie= G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= /span>

 

Congratulations,=   "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos= OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter= =FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

 

No virus found in this inco= ming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/= 19/10 17:49:00

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD082-b854b5345682fd; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD067-b854b5345682fd; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYgd-0007N0-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYgd-0007Mr-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWYgb-0000Ez-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F33D5700008D for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E61387000096 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.28.180]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A3D3F700008D for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117171307671.A3D3F700008D@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:12:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only= =20 across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noi= se on=20 spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum li= nes >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900= and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the= =20 >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum:= =20 > 01/17/10 08:35:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5eeb4b574bf1a; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:31:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 188DF380001E9; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXfJD-0007Jp-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXfJC-0007Jg-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:38 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXfJA-0008Mz-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:38 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78DA35D84D for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.74]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from dns-failure [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id EExAvz; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 Message-ID: <015d01ca99fe$80cea650$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 63 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Poland_on_Long_Wave_-_136_kHz_Award_?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b574bed0a02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF! I inform about the new award LF: Poland on Long Wave - 136 kHz Award Rules of Poland on Long Wave - 136 kHz Award 1. For this award are accepted QSOs since 1 march 2003 Year 2. This Award is is available in 3 classes: Class 1 - 3 two way QSOs with SP stations Class 2 - 3 crossband QSOs with SP stations. Instead of a one crosband QSO may be included one any SWL raport. Class 3 - 3 SWL reports of SP stations 3. Required confirmation of QSOs with QSL cards - application must be accordant with GCR (General Certificate Rules). 4. Award cost - 5 Euro/ 5 USD/ 5 IRCs 5. Foreign stations should send their applications to: Sekretariat ZG PZK, Award Manager - SQ7B, P.O. Box 54, 85-613 Bydgos= zcz 13, Poland 6. The final decision in cases of doubt lies with the PZK Award Manag= er. sq7b@pzk.org.pl Award: http://www.awards.pzk.org.pl/img/136_PL_duzy0.jpg Rules: http://www.awards.pzk.org.pl/html/136_PL.htm Polish station worked/recived on LF: SP2KDS, SP2PZH, SQ2BXI, SQ2HNA,= SP5ZCC, SQ5BPF, SQ5BPM, SQ7MPJ. Special call: HF70W, HF75PZK, SP0PAPA, SP0TPAX= . Special thanks to: PZK President SP2JMR, PZK Award Manager SQ7B, Stani= s=B3aw SQ2NNN, Tomek SQ2RGB, Jakub SP2IPT, Piotr SQ7MPJ, Jacek SQ5BPF. Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9ac4b50b561282; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:35:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4b50b561282; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:35:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVr04-0004HG-C4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVr03-0004H7-Ub for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVr01-0005cq-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from COL122-W9 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:34:15 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 18:34:15.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[5705AA80:01CA9611] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF! OK, I hope so. It will be interesting, thanks for the info. Lubos, OK2BVG 1734 -23 -0.4 0.503860 0 PA0AM JO11 20 1736 -21 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1800 -22 0.1 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1808 -20 0.2 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1826 -25 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Hello=20 Lubos, =20 later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes, =20 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40 Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test Hello LF! Those are my first WSPR lines today=20 afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90=20 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF!
OK, I hope so. It will be interesting, thanks for the= info.

Lubos, OK2BVG

1734 -23 -0.4   0.503860 = ; 0 PA0AM JO11 20
1736 -21  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT= IO90 23
1800 -22  0.1   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23<= br>1808 -20  0.2   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1826= -25  0.3   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

From: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR lines= today=20 afternoon:

1548  -7  2.2   0.503899  0= PA0A=20 JO33 37
1608 -31  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90=20 23
1632 -30 -0.5   0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20

Lu= bos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-b4f74b40ed3522; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:17:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D025C380095CA; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVXy-0004Ac-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVXy-0004AS-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVXw-0001Tb-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o03E4fvF022371 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:04:41 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:51:22 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Re: So much acitvity :-) Thread-Index: AcqMBrqvxsoxtKSUQn6D4PEqUM3yVQAni6Uv References: <1160510449@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.657;03.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.3.183618 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA5.BE796138" Subject: LF: AW: Re: So much acitvity :-) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b40e75826a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA5.BE796138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, mni tnx for the QSO! Your signal is the strongest i've ever got from= the UK! And tnx that it was a reals QSO, not just rapport and 73... :-) =20 hpe cuagn next weekends agn... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 00:48 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: So much acitvity :-) Dear Stefan, LF Group, Thanks to Markus DF6NM and Andrey EW6GB for the QSOs - first time I have been QRV on 136k for a while. Conditions seemed a bit poor here with QRN= and quite weak signals - only very faint traces of RU6LA and IK1HSS were visible. I hope to be QRV tomorrow, so perhaps we can QSO then. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) Dear LF, It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for his fine QSOs! 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quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b64ba71438c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for watching John, it would probably need to be a very good night= to grab a copy! 73 Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ---- From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:10:49 Subject: Re: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Mike, I watched that range from 0100 to after your sunrise, and only saw a few= =20 hints of signal from Dave and you -- identifiable only by frequency, and= =20 not to be trusted! My neighborhood has gotten even noisier at night, but= =20 one can hope for miracles. John, W1TAG On 1/30/2010 12:56 PM, Mike Dennison wrote: > I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 > to 0900UTC. > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10= 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-85f14b4bc010371; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9B7F38000225; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUSc-00071L-Nh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUSc-00071C-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUUSa-00026h-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W34 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.2] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:18:05 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2010 00:18:04.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[B57D8530:01CA931C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_" Subject: LF: Small is beautuful? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b4bc00e6d58 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Me, I love real estate and open fields, but at the moment I make do with= a hotel room right in the centre of the USA on the priarie.=20 =20 Mode wise Ill take anything you can throw at me - within reason, and appre= ciate the tools at my disposal both on the receiver, computer and software= and softhead side (local CW decode) =20 Heres a picture of the PA0RDT and coax choked feed "outboard" from the hot= el room window - supported by a 7m fishing pole. Size matters (as does the= coax) , but the probe at the end is around 12 inches long...with the "act= ive gate" bit around 8 inches =20 As you can see the baby bottle has been replaced by a 3/4 inch diameter PV= C pipe and end caps/reducer. The baby bottle was looking a little sucked= dry! Power for the probe is from a small 5Amp/hr sealed lead acid I got= from the local farm store here in the 'lectric fence' dept. =20 http://kl1x.com/okieprobesmall.jpg =20 KL 1 X/5 Bartlesville OKlahoma EM26AR near Kansas too... =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
Me, I love real estate and open fields, but at the moment I make do with= a hotel room right in the centre of the USA on the priarie.
 
Mode wise Ill take anything you can throw at me - within reason, and appre= ciate the tools at my disposal both on the receiver, computer and software= and softhead side (local CW decode)
 
Heres a picture of the PA0RDT and coax choked feed "outboard" from the hot= el room window - supported by a 7m fishing pole. Size matters (as does the= coax) , but the probe at the end is around 12 inches long...with the "act= ive gate" bit around 8 inches
 
As you can see the baby bottle has been replaced by a 3/4 inch diameter PV= C pipe and end caps/reducer. The baby bottle was looking a little sucked= dry! Power for the probe is from a small 5Amp/hr sealed lead acid I got= from the local farm store here in the 'lectric fence' dept.
 
http://kl1x.com/okieprobesm= all.jpg
 
KL 1 X/5 Bartlesville OKlahoma  EM26AR
near Kansas too...

Your E-mail and More= On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5f34b4e01273c5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:22:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34b4e01273c5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:21:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6tc-0004bs-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6tb-0004bj-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:39 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6ta-0001BX-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:39 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100113172032.PAKS27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:32 +0000 Received: from [86.0.97.162] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6tU-0007eF-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:32 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:31 -0000 Message-ID: <009901ca9474$b5a8dba0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqUdLU2+heywXh5QKKSoMjI5ZNoEg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=5Y8AxwaK3OU7kiHB73UA:9 a=tq7-ihh_3xGLOR0Q9BMA:7 a=cRecjiOfX91ZJBiw8IXHFDnsQCYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=AIE7SQ7dSDBQ9i7kmpwA:9 a=BFMy037PvIIweiIYrawA:7 a=OBDPRYOHYZRDWhv-3xgPA-qrcMgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Marconi 4.96MHz OCXO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, Going thru a newly acquired junk/spares box I have found a new/wrapped in plastic Marconi Crystal Oscillator Identity FQ 3121-11. Serial no. 118941. It is stamped as having a freq of 4960KHz and temp range of -10c to 55c running off 20v AC. It didn't come with any wiring diagram, and out of the 8 pin contacts on the base are 8 leads, red white, 2 x yellow, green, blue and 2 more yellow. The unit sits in a sealed can about the size of a small coke can and has a control on top which rotates freely thru 360 degree and more. Jim Moritz has informed me it is an OCXO but does anyone have a circuit for it or a plan of the leads out. I have googled but to no avail. I am guessing that there must be some alumni of Marconi out there and they may know of this widget With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF,

Going thru a newly acqui= red junk/spares box I have found a new/wrapped in plastic Marconi Crystal Oscillator  Identity FQ 31= 21-11.  Serial no. 118941.

It is stamped as having= a freq of 4960KHz and temp range of -10c to 55c running off 20v AC.

It didn’t come wit= h any wiring diagram, and out of the 8 pin contacts on the base are 8 leads, red white, 2 x yellow, green, blue= and 2 more yellow.

The unit sits in a seale= d can about the size of a small coke can and has a control on top which rotates freely thru 360 degree and more= .

Jim Moritz has informed= me it is an OCXO but does anyone have a circuit for it or a plan of the leads out.   I have googled= but to no avail.

I am guessing that there= must be some alumni of Marconi out there and they may know of this widget

 =

 =

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= o:p>

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds=

SG18 9NR

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

The information= transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5d44b4a659771; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:41:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44b4a659771; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:41:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7OK-0007A7-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7OK-00079y-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: from web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU7OI-0001qI-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 44610 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1263166809; bh=cP6KhoZKiyhkxj1eVJJxtcvri/GbdfFl858920eGvMc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fDixg2rWJgjHTrnYOFm/khpEa0jyUIWdAX08mwOBFESOIUwTo351oNIx97XWOundUtQ3zOKvpuRJq5yYTip9G2x/B54TSxAZme2ttXmNvAuOV9EpfggUBHXF/0SUHyMScxiiUBFL5ZWC1sMSVoX+7MmQBERa4+3JHFOyVDDVao8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sw7xzcWhwYgF0lPM33+mV2OQAEYxPU9wF9oqqWmw7iZYK4DidyQnHQeTKBAS7NgR0l+HjSm9stcFlRpn3SkHpoVbmb9tZh6C2YnYTH3kcybWwCKff6zl+GEOuIzN9yOSYAOU3KsIVDKx1Oo1dpwgSXpM9mF33+aRVJvgPHWx2ss=; Message-ID: <372296.44597.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q4XXbh4VM1ltOAF9JB9wIX56AAptftL5BmgIlMwqiqOX8HgIjw69HhdVBOPBFgsKY.XoYrhApqn7nMNSBlfy5ntV3JyXCfEcXTqx0obG7Jcb.VEvXFGXP1TD1uK7aeaE1EH4tA2hEA4RmxjZpbtDAbVvreh3ifIg.XMqZb3IPm052XHkB.t4HRfz480AshMYGOaW1rfZ31DsQ9iubMS3RcqbUUkP3R4WSbPylhd4jiKQonHzRBn0VhcmnYU6.WoRLepnvA5H_KLX.j4G_gyAdVEmhXjdbB1NoCQEgmD1ElGxqIfOLeM9wFtgUQxmPqb63xfu Received: from [213.122.33.10] by web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: summer activity? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m240.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Stephan lighning crash qrm can be very tiring for audible work in summe= r, though there ARE quieter days. Daytime DX signals are slightly better= in summer due to improved daytime skywave. The seasons dont really have= that great an effect. I have on one occasion copied VO1NA in daytime in= summer and often at good strenth in night-time (QRSS) What will now have= a greater effect is the geomagnetic activity levels as the we start to mo= ve slowly up the next cycle. Of course the big killler is that the all-dar= kness path is for a much shorter period for most DX paths, so you dont get= a second chance like in winter. Alan G3NYK=20 --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: summer activity? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 17:28 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about > the summer? I haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, > how much stronger is it? Just some db or is a qso in cw or > qrss almost impossible? How much does it affect the > groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between day and > night much more than in the winter? > =20 > Sri, cannot be qrv this weekend, just watch the DF6NM > grabber and listen to utwente websdr ;-) I am envious, once > again ;-) > =20 > Wish you fun and gd qsos!=20 > =20 > Congrats to mal for the qsos! Nice acty! > =20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von mal hamilton > Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 17:53 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Re: 137.7 >=20 >=20 > Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on > 500 his first PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W > Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ > now cq on 500. plus others. > OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 > de mal/g3kev=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mal hamilton =20 >=20 > To: rsgb =20 >=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM > Subject: LF: 137.7 >=20 > Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. > Two DL stns and one F stn active at > present. > g3kev > =20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b56129a160; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:14:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 785FB38000178; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKRw-0002o8-W9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKRw-0002nz-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKRt-0008I8-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so138535fge.10 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5i7iu36Z6yb92V4c7MF4BMnv9hbA3xF0acYJOtWVAh8=; b=pJ3tc0hKgf3fV2E45NiuBnRYWw7g2+hwvc1l8uQRYLNlawvCh5GKEBBrwb8ji6+exj BuyMAohL4glL+EVS1WWfCsDdMmmCCCGrbBzoPxvlz2qkP1TwpmP69r8hKj5AqI02kVjc tfNOd8mFl92YLwVClzGroGyVuFI2KX6mxyVE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Hw+nh87IUxjzDOn/1A/Qtp5Dop0lRZL+3CvhWHHgw+n+hscsL65R+jpBOPkS3wmPNt C7tW1qg2IQpX/XdxqQ9rVFG76yvKjum2BSJAZc9CrdE6Lwqw76asqq2gOHBwrKl1Bn12 rr7VdoPa7KzVGyYbUGBB5u9P211pYHnWOOQ0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.68 with SMTP id w4mr852394hbh.130.1263931991109; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b5612984b36 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Download WSJT from http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html and have a go !!!!! Then when you decoded Gary's signal, fire up your 10GHz and 2.3GHz receivers, adjust the mode to JT4G and try listening to the beacons GB3SCX and GB3SCS from Bell Hill in Dorset. http://www.scrbg.org/ Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. > > At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. > > Can't decode it, of course. > > Martin GW3UCJ. > > > > > --001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Download WSJT=A0 from=A0 http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html= =A0=A0 and have a go !!!!!
=A0
Then when you decoded Gary's signal, fire up your 10GHz and 2.3GH= z receivers,=A0adjust the mode to JT4G=A0and try listening to the beacons= GB3SCX and GB3SCS=A0from Bell Hill in =A0Dorset.=A0=A0http://www.scrbg.org/

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.= uk>
You've got a good signal= on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's yo= u, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.




--001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a5c4b4b7121294; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:42:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA034-a5c4b4b7121294; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:42:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUPCw-00054W-Ip for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUPCw-00054N-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUPCt-0003Jk-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so3727435fgg.10 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lP8rY/Qf2FfLIJXKzmnkDNFEGwLM6ex7imYiRYDfcaE=; b=jFxtaJbvPhszB4WycaNQQLhINMsVgqH2V+KKbOhC4XObStQesmREGLjg/JYelMh+MN wU/ngSIZyWEfdK5qXJxhsG7dP1NMAD6N3LelOuhIDl0b0ikUDGq2P5rRwRL8ZfNr90ug jRUCLh3JJAn5LPTeQ2GOP9F9bclS1ih1Cz28k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Z4SwZTu84HQKnRAtccd22YvG8JT9zzKymbwcv94HbjQGdxAskYyHbQhn6pa7VjdiMO DM6cZbEVXDrFC/esPQ5XrERxK+vLQtgD4lOIZWi+lyU89lQJTr01SVytpThUYwz6fJEN b5qdprqeXsbh0cKQMqQXNVsBLP+lnmmiEC2GY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.82 with SMTP id k18mr1360319hbh.5.1263235298584; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m229.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good.... Confirms exactly what I assumed. 5dB in 24Hz (which is about the same effective bandwidth of a good pair of ears) is -15dB S/N in 2500Hz Its interesting, too, that SSB is readable at far lower S/N ratios than might normally be expected. My SSB contesting ears, which have had practice mostly with AWGN on the microwave and VHF bands, but nothing like as good as the experienced ops, can read callsigns and reports - ie preformatted data - at a S/N in the SSB bandwidth of around -10 to -5dB. If we assume a S/N of +5dB is needed for incoherent detection, that suggests an effective aural bandwidth around 100 - 200Hz Considering the whole human evolutionary process has been geared to listening to voice -ike sounds, its not really surprising that we apply considerable adaptive filtering to the voice channel to get an efcective bandwidth so much lower than the actual band. So the human voice is a spread-spectrum system. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker > Hello Andy, > > The bandwidth of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz. > > 73, > Roelof > > --0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good....
Confirms exactly what I assumed.=A0=A0
5dB in 24Hz (which is=A0about the same effective bandwidth of a good= pair of ears)=A0=A0is -15dB S/N in 2500Hz
=A0
Its interesting, too, that SSB is readable at far lower S/N ratios th= an might normally be expected.=A0 My SSB contesting ears, which have had= practice mostly with AWGN on the microwave and VHF bands,=A0but nothing= like as good as the experienced ops, can read callsigns and reports - ie= preformatted data - at a S/N in the SSB bandwidth of around -10 to -5dB.= =A0=A0 If we assume a S/N of +5dB is needed for incoherent detection, that= suggests an effective aural bandwidth around 100 - 200Hz
=A0
Considering the whole human evolutionary process has been geared to= listening to voice -ike sounds, its not really surprising that we apply= considerable adaptive filtering to the voice channel to get an efcective= bandwidth so much lower than the actual band.=A0=A0=A0 So the human voice= is a spread-spectrum system.
=A0
2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker <<= a href=3D"mailto:roelof@ndb.demon.nl" target=3D"_blank">roelof@ndb.demon.n= l>
Hello Andy,

The bandwid= th of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz.

73,
R= oelof


--0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.20]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5eb44b622f1e1f7; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:43:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 336AB38000097; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naevg-0004e2-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naevg-0004dt-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naeve-0003d7-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B3AD51C0008A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6A3E1C00102 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.34.156]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4FBC91C0008A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129004134326.4FBC91C0008A@mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41144b622f1c42f2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you= can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 = W4DEX EM95tg 6140 284=20 Tnx for the decode=20 Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok its a sea path  .. but this&n= bsp; is =20 getting silly  ...amazing what= you  can=20 do  with  35  feet  of  wire  with a cok= e =20 bottle on the  end !!
 
2010-01-29 00:18   G0NBD   0.503910   -29   0   IO83lk   0.1   W4DEX   EM95tg   6140   284
 
Tnx  for the  decode
 
Graham
 
G0NBD


------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-a8454b5569461fa; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:11:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 013D3380000B8; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9Ao-00085G-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9An-000857-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX9Al-0003JT-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660E51C001 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A50F31E702 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:39 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:52 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119081039.4A50F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b55694405d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, I am using a 1A thermo-couple meter and 1/2 ratio current transformer (to get a 4A range) since 2 years on 500kHz, without any problem. At 500kHz the values it shows are give or take 10%, so it is OK for tuning the antenna / controlling antenna current but I wouldn't rely on it for measuring the exact current. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 06:41 19/01/2010, you wrote: >Hello.... > >Can the typical thermo-couple amp meter be placed in the antenna >lead-in. I have had several fail open after a few days use. They were >not close to any metallic grounded objects, or subject to over current. >No lightning > >73 John / VE7BDQ (VX9BDQ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.140]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b4e69462aa; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FA3F38000051; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVDpG-0005yI-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVDpG-0005y9-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVDpE-0004so-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.218.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.218.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.218]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5349B5E21 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:44:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: John Bruce McCreath In-Reply-To: <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: <844DCB1F-822A-4951-B727-E8D4329D0E3D@hurontel.on.ca> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: LF: 500kHz. TA propagation Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b4e694513e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, I just got WSPR 2.0 installed this evening and am happy to report a succes= sful TA capture! The QTH here is on the east shore of Lake Huron near the town of Goderich,= quite a ways inland from the east coast, so needless to say, I'm thrilled!! 0004 -26 0.5 0.503901 0 PA0A JO33 37 I'm using a series tuned, 333 ft perimeter delta loop into a TS-440. Audi= o is fed to the computer via a Timewave DSP-59+ set for 400 Hz. bandwidth. For reasons not yet determined, my spots aren't getting uploaded to the WS= PR site. 73, J.B., VE3EAR/VE3WZL LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b43a2db24e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:36:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2AF57380001AA; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSG7v-000555-S0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSG7v-00054w-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSG7t-0003OO-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA76C40456 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b43a2da34da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, that was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time being, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary - G4WGT Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Hi, Look at this capture. Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period. Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Gary,
 
that=20 was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the=20 soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time=20 being,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary -=20 G4WGT
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16
Aan:=20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow= up -=20 2

Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you ca= n see the=20 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-6054b52e97f324; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:42:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG116-6054b52e97f324; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:42:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSZ1-0003Ua-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSZ1-0003UR-7b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWSYz-0005bW-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWE00HU30C0K7@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:40:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:40:39 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 17-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_drxTbRUDBNeMSyVpRq3Giw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_drxTbRUDBNeMSyVpRq3Giw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA)" --Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren ,LF nice captrure XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 17-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren ,LF
nice captrure XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:43:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b5b0b4321c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one > of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it > certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being > heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those > included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the > WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to > get it going is in there. > > http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf > *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* > http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT > > Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but at > least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths / > tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think > I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF and > uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as > far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. > [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight > PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, > but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and > seems less user friendly. > > A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on > 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of > them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to > abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder > routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as > JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe > rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth > (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered > signal still had discrete tone energy). > > There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 > and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now > GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland > http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as > it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided > accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. > > My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals > - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be > any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will > be lost for the duration? > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > >> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A >> in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have >> managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >> >> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or >> something similar that I might understand, please? >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of yo= ur valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pr= e-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibil= ity of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then= I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal= to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others wh= o would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 23 January= 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
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Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
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A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
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There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
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My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked= on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the hel= p files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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--00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-5d84b5d74b426c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:39:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG071-5d84b5d74b426c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:38:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMKI-00043u-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMKH-00043l-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:45 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMKF-0006w2-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:45 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1BBDD3BFBE38455E87C69798E283D2C7@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <46625.76ca05fd.388e396e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:37:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 10:37:42.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C7FB3B0:01CA9DAA] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tu Nicolas, best 73s henny pa3cpm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Henny, Z : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a NDB from Zilina / Slovakia BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB from unknown location (m= aybe central europe) http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php F4DTL Nicolas NDB hunter since 2004 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plan= et.nl a =E9crit : Hi LF, Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/2= 4/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tu Nicolas,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 25, 201= 0 1:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 509khz

Henny,
 
Z   : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it= 's a NDB=20 from Zilina / Slovakia
BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a= NDB from=20 unknown location (maybe central europe)
 
 
F4DTL Nicolas
NDB hunter since 2004
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl a =E9crit :
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL= on=20 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Re= lease=20 Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD062-9014b4f5af1f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:57:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-9014b4f5af1f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:57:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTv2-0001Pw-Ni for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTv2-0001Pn-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVTv1-0002vN-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUqb1d0011HzFnQ57VvX63; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VVvW1d00K2DDHkk3aVvWrN; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000601ca9542$c222ef50$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002c01ca953e$bbaf0180$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:55:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal Distance between us 1950 km. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > Jay > I can do better than that. I can manage 100 ft high and 120 ft at a push. > How far are u from him > 73 mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:03 PM > Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > > >> Mal >> >> I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a > couple times since. Here's >> his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the > other is E/W. Note that it >> is at 20 feet! Appears to work. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ____________ >> >> Jay, >> >> I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter > from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. >> The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 > watts ERP. The antenna is >> a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and > E/W configuration. one leg >> is N/S and the other is N/S. >> >> I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. >> >> 73 >> >> Jim >> >> WD2XSH/35 K0HW >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: mal hamilton >> To: rsgb >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM >> Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 >> >> >> Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, > at a modest height around >> 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-862a4b3fc6e538f; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63881380000B8; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRCKi-0007Mx-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRCKh-0007Mo-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRCKe-0003J0-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9069102bwz.4 for ; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:20:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8HCkfG6tZOgUdo6XjGzGdLt4kfu4/kC0BQ9exLvhoHM=; b=QTACSp5btf04HKhuOYf5QeccK0KZ6auPY3nsE8bqk2TWSnVRX4lOf9vxZwgkiVBBPP 4VcmmtbtMh3WIu1uESQ7GJecwVa+PcJByB+5JiNOuTT3s4eIjO1l5IaW3/Y+XK3/Aw5c Dq4IB3BlDJszsy/eW7+HwDuHwFLqm5pM2BcQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bNW0GAS7aw0NaICv0+OmdEi4S5YL9TiMAlguLZkIuFpB9iNin6RsV/E4ewG8y7yBOf QF0C9PNTQo/ePhZjNIQlJoiXxZ4nT80EMHyyYtR5kYQd9gH4EUfa/nkyodPHDgHwdzZY 7cSu7bLVEF8jatdgV4vkIFpyc2lXD0AukMlUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.69 with SMTP id 5mr5407784bky.83.1262470818710; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b3fc6e50dc6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Some suggestions: 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely. 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan less". 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and > S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to > listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a > station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. > The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. > Does anyone else have an opinion? > G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WS= PR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are= able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing= very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be det= ermined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other narrowband conversational modes.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant an= d moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this= reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QR= M to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I canno= t=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band=20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swampe= d by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
=A0



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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b4badb4327; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:01:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 529643800009F; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTEj-0006dG-3B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTEi-0006d7-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUTEg-0004vL-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8827B1C0008C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 73E3C1C0009F for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.9.217]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 21C031C0008C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100111225940138.21C031C0008C@mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b4badb26820 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dr Klaus ..=20 Watching the posts float by on the reflector is like watching the= tide go out , as you can be sure it will come back again , some= times higher some times lower . depending on the alignment of the= moon .. it would be interesting to plot the correlation ..? Just a song from the musical past of the UK .... from a musical= comedian ''Bernard Cribbins'' .. Its theme basically is, there= is 'always' some one who knows best and has an opinion contrary to= the popular ...or the practical ... the end of the song suggests= that the 'QRN' is used to back fill the hole ... poetic justice= may be ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZGk4AKOwJbc this is a link to the words=20 http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/abcd/bernardcribbins_hole.htm From: kkorn42@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Graham,=20 to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this mu= sical background) you should also state the end of this song!=20 You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you? 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dr Klaus ..
 
Watching the  po= sts float by on=20 the  reflector  is like watching the  tide go  out= , as=20 you  can be sure it  will  come back again , some times= higher=20 some times lower . depending on the  alignment  of the = =20 moon .. it  would be  interesting to plot the correlati= on=20 ..?
 
Just a  song&nbs= p; from=20 the  musical past of the  UK ....  from  a musical=  =20 comedian  ''Bernard Cribbins''  .. Its theme basically = is,=20   there  is  'always' some one who knows best and&= nbsp; has=20 an opinion contrary to the popular ...or the  practical ... = the =20 end of the  song suggests that the  'QRN' is used to = back =20 fill the  hole ... poetic justice may be ?
 
 
this is a  link= to the =20 words
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Graham,
to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have th= is musical=20 background) you should also state the end of this song!
You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you?
73
de
Klaus
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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-864d4b5cadd9377; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:30:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C2A038000140; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ95N-00014u-1p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ95M-00014l-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:28 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ95J-0002K2-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:28 +0000 Received: from COL122-W65 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:29:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:29:18 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 20:29:18.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7820030:01CA9D33] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_" Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b5cadd7072c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode =20 it with Multipsk ??=20 =20 download link :-=20 =20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm =20 G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from=20 Multipsk on 503.000 =20 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 =20 Very slow data rate ..... might =20 take a while to show 1 line ! =20 Reports ? =20 Tnx - Graham G0NBD =20 =20 =20 =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet= .co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50= :43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  deco= de =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lu= bos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz
<= br>
Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /font>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20


Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME081-9c64b4ba2c41cf; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:14:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64b4ba2c41cf; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:14:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSW4-0006Ex-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSW3-0006En-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:39 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUSW0-0004e9-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAM0wS0tZ8qfX/2dsb2JhbACNSAbJLYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,258,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="294568477" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.167.215]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 22:13:30 +0000 Message-ID: <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:11:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here= BEACON mode g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today= ) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qual= ity. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rath= er good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5,= EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now started to TX - ur freq is swampe= d by SM6BHZ on=20 SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you about= 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / whe= n I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite start= ing about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QR= G. I hear=20 u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts=
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signa= l last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I= had first time=20 reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' cau= ses=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for you= r cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Cu= rious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alr= eady=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if= , using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal= CW. Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my= knowledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and= a normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the foll= owing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,= =20 /10.
 = ;
Best DX: 201= 0-01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&nb= sp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-a0764b5c4a62313; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:25:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6CCA38000128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2SZ-0006AU-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2SY-0006AL-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:58 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2SW-0007uC-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:58 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicLAM/YW0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYrAcxbhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448268784" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 13:24:34 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001240455t3fe69a90qce027d90f3cd6ea5@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b5c4a606062 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the period of the screenshot. I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK Grabbers. Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi Eddie, I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 g3zjo Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gary, thanks for that, yes my call= is fully identifiable in your grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the period of= the screenshot.

 

I always look= on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen it yet, being broad band the chances= are not so good on the UK Grabbers.  

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of G= ary - G4WGT
Sent: 24 January 2010= 12:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: QR= P'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi Eddie,=

 

I have been runn= ing SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your sig= nal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9= km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT= .

 

2010/1/24 g3zjo= <g3zjo@npton.plus.com&= gt;

Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on= all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM.

 

Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now= switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

 

73

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB=
Sent: 24 January 2010= 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi, Eddie.

 

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is abou= t 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

 

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of both modes!

 

(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double fr= equency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencie= s, and the carrier drops between letters.)

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org; GQRP@yahoogr= oups.com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knigh= tsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

 

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a no= te on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard= settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around= 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals ca= n spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b5eed31362; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:25:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7BFD1380000B3; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZlNl-0000AL-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZlNk-0000AC-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZlNi-0000He-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b5eed2f2202 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On 1/26/2010 2:24 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Group, > > I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and= OPAs for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: > > http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf > > Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Thanks Stefan, very interesting if one has to build a low noise loop preamplifier (as= I have...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-8bd44b5a15dc120; 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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:11 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:06 +0100 Message-ID: <83F977E5C8CA43D6B7920CF79AFE0072@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acqbo+eJORbujFkbQEG1wmgfDeSEXAAA970g X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: AW: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5a15d924cb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jim, Gary, have one transmission decoded now in JT4A.. 211000 13 -9 -0.6 -171 23 * TEST M0BMU 1 0 .but local QRM is terrible this evening. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ====== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 21:43 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, LF, Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. Thanks for the 2 way. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 **************************************************************************** *** 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Jim, Gary= ,

 

hav= e one transmission decoded now in JT4A….

 

211= 000 13   -9 -0.6 -171 23 *      TEST M0BMU    &= nbsp;           1&nb= sp;  0

 

= 230;but local QRM is terrible this evening…

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Freitag, 22.= Januar 2010 21:43
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kH= z JT4A

 

Jim, LF,

 

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way co= ntact ??

 

Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound car= d did the trick.

Thanks for the 2 way.

 

73,  Gary - G4WGT.

 

202100 20   -4 -0.1  -24 29 *  = ;     G4WGT M0BMU IO91          1   0 

202200  Transmitting: JT4A    =    M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO                  = ;   

202300 15  -14 -0.1  -24 28 *  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91          1   0 

202500 21   -6 -0.1  -24 29 #  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91    OOO   1   0 =

202700 21   -3 -0.1  -24 29 #  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91    OOO   1   0 =

202800  Transmitting: JT4A    =    RRR                      =                

202900 21   -4 -0.1  -24 27 *  = ;     FB GARY 73                1   0 = ;

203000  Transmitting: JT4A    =    73 G4WGT                    =             

203100 22   -2  0.0  -24 30 *=       TU DE BMU SK              1   0 = ;

203200  Transmitting: JT4A    =    FINALLY JIM SK                   &nbs= p;       

203300 13   -8  0.2  -24 29 *=       TU DE BMU SK              1   0 = ;

203400  Transmitting: JT4A    =    TU DE G4WGT                    =          

203500 21   -5  0.4  -24 23 *=       HI HII                   &nb= sp;1   0 

 

*********************************************= **********************************

 

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

LF,

 

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this even= ing & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last= night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation= to CQ calls.

 

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kH= z on even minutes.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.<= o:p>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b3e121f28a; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:17:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B38FA38004A42; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjA8-0008T5-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjA8-0008Sw-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: from web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjA8-0004Ph-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 75661 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 15:11:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262358690; bh=p0GfV9maX7ZI4QIx7RuMTqOSRPH9Nt37byOUicdhEvI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=asTT/uqGy59O1MyYe9k3lzoeO7lU8B1DV0CmaA9BbY4f6cDEcUdlmeVQL4LQ1nxwNypy9S/u4rLbYvxl9ikWZ2hD3TQVq3vtoDbK3dJO1i8dDPxG1xPnv+9ozSKaYvdTR4t+dXZLM53dKDp03oaK30AESCoyEqVtc8A99lb0Xro= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J9epvQ/HOURluwJ7mNaeJTeJ8+ISM0ZlwOXMi/EXx7YBD5MPd+7gq4NBtxEyFUJyljOukqVlDKqCAhHwktXN85/lYUDyWIWlY+3v9jmLvm1fIT5SdljQkn3RArd/kqsdtdp1mGPo1G0Do/Bg+lm1tB+ksfUUMfbCNA1T7VnUFKg=; Message-ID: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Bpulx_4VM1nNxNhbTEFpoXHiHykmFU8RACKvGaOiDAK8iyiHWAKbZDo1JjzGIHiix4cnq3NdOtdtrUQDOX8_5mO7noO5RR66eI9tkTZLM6gNBJOwo1AodLc82FdzQPlts0lppXsDjs80FnnhWHpbnYeOf2oK_HiQBzHzCybKC2ibAZ1dWpPO9CvPjdE5UDft_uE3wli.u48xVeXMKEdKUsOJXN0HucyJ2ZdfUWnzN6qljOWUXP6ejjDHWM1wtyJp4P.p8pc1ObrbD.as0WjNlGo- Received: from [81.155.113.30] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:29 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:11:29 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <2661873FD9224C9AABD301CD2B9F18C2@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b3e10f83a38 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was= in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's= to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any detail= s as yet. They are legal now which makes=A0it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to=A0 have a=A0 German station playing music on that=A0 frequency= , S8=A0 ..quite=A0 regular flutter=A0 , may=A0 be 2=A0 stns on the=A0 sam= e freq ? =A0 G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF =A0 Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in Essex. =A0 Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Graham the German station is winning he= re at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low po= wer but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes = ;it a bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 1/1= /10, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a  German stati= on playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite  regular= flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the  same freq ?=
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s

=
Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline is now on= 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex.<= /DIV>
 
Signal RS 57-9 here in No= rth Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL petefmt





=20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.204]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC084-a98e4b630c6eb3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:27:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BB0B380001DF; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Natf8-0007cX-Rv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Natf8-0007cO-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Natf6-0001yK-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07ED2AC875 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID678oaCqZd6398X01; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:29 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID678oaCqZd6398X01 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.217.94] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 989oaCqZb2672M36; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.94 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:25:24 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID989oaCqZb2672X36 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b630c6b1a95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On 1/29/2010 10:30 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Dear all, > > have a look at > http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2010_0126.htm#antenna . > They claim antennas with 95% efficiency and dimensions of only 2% of > the wavelength or less. But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T A follow-on to the EH contraption ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a8c4b5b63642a6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:00:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b5b63642a6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:00:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYn4d-0008D0-QS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYn4d-0008Cr-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYn4b-0005iC-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:14 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DEA51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739BFF3862 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 045A918056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123215901.po6fugcco4kosgs8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Who do men (women) the hard labour to run a marathon in 3 or 4 hours while they could travel the same distance with no effort in 20 minutes using their car ? Maybe because they like the challenge ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5c44b4e50cf361; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:01:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG051-5c44b4e50cf361; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:01:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVCCN-0005ku-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVCCM-0005kl-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:22 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVCCK-00049N-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 29370 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 23:00:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ZIEkEalLKOPS+KCC/L3qVsGWc5X8k7TV+7A9/6QHfw5dM+ul/KZCP1bYJHQ1RuYmXpmRxz4bEgcFG/JAQPHO+/4fJL6YAZDclVXESeykSDBibs3/a0zAjT3qRpIEDcTnkj/zLnOSFXPzDHwDtq3+KLTiPZLcgTK+S9Pw5U8DZis= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 23:00:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: E1xcSFcVM1ngWza3CYJWYk_NW8S7cx5o1bZo3Gelbg7YqqgBYIWYENN5QFmmjRzlqxs7hJYML35siNZHvUSCxe8eITv0y0mBin.segZO46wnfwA3ZQs8OE_53FjLBWzPoJKFSariiEfHqQkYijH1xmVJudw18IPPsgZXDNnqUJNc8nHZtinoG_Zix5pt2YYVBC_nc7avoFl3vRI6kFrFkN3ir5gtzb5PwCcK5K4lgt0Yr4lDgC9YI6alU1Ens07Jbuk_UJz9xr.aM_gY X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com><20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from > 503848 to 503885 > > 73, Rik From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-9124b504af6150; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:01:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b504af6150; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:01:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjuC-0006r9-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjuC-0006r0-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVjuA-0001dp-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkFAMrYT0tUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKc8UhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,281,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="310895538" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 10:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01ca95d1$cbde56d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100114214523.i1xor1rdk0ccogkg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, Jim & co Tnx ur observations. It seems there is not much advantage dipole v 1/4 wave inv L. My soil is good therefore the 1/4 wave is probably better plus the low angle and radiation resistance seems about the same at the 100 ft height. One other approach would be to use open wire feeder and use it as part of the dipole legs, there could be an advantage with the first 100ft being vertical on each leg, matched at the bottom for 50 ohms.Maybe get some cancellation !!!!! Open wire say 12 inches separation. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC063-a9754b44f5732a0; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:41:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CD2E3800004D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NScfn-0008Cg-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NScfn-0008CX-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NScfl-0001tf-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 27192 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2010 20:39:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=MMAFp92e30Ak4CVSqq74IxVXIc3PRoYfabFitaBm0HdAlxIAWWg7g/9clsLI0Jty5HHe6hUAh40+6QG3BY9SHlo5yFDdxR5rx4ZOQO2ZlBX3+MCUeIXOMdap8zZ1PEcDV7Fx0Z2Sobks9iHecJDiTuHxMOar5/LWjdsc7eY6AZQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2010 20:39:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: .IPuCksVM1lnJMCaRwbn023ibxc4hn4BrnFTgGTpJhK1qN0sgV.p1bA8Ee8uSZGBP3eiWfI0s7PB4c3eWVLAHwFSCQTKmlgYhH6pW8IoaXQuwBL0SH2rEemn8MCk2Cj7st9ddNBj.nw6jrjt_4Y2xa4bpM76oqtCswg9MNFnfGhli4N0dXskZ9ZqyflhuEFrwESeGLQHWdpMirbErUcy1n2IJ45AMwICrNMM8AZ_x2SSVaDSIhL_iOs6OleH3RU0jRloRmB6WS1FD8DnDg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:39:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b44f5712157 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is Yemen? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on 500 G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-86204b5b734633f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 38970380000A6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYo89-0000rW-RB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYo89-0000rN-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYo88-0006Dn-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DB51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D797731E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 4ADE718056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b5b7345263a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, I copy all your transmissions starting 21:36 till nox except for the 21:52 one (that didn't give the slightest sync, so maybe you skipped that one ?) Most sync values are 18-23 the SNR (dB) -2 to -8. No trance of Jim (NKS), sorry. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Thank you. > > I took a break to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's. > > BTW, nice reply to Mal. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > > 2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe > > > Gary, > > a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b4383bf71; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:24:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D21E38000532; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE3A-0004Dk-SQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE3A-0004Db-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSE37-0007Up-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMEANwRQ0tZ8qiZ/2dsb2JhbACNRgbGOoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="261606055" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.168.153]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:22:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca8e33$fb097de0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:22:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b4383bd22f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anything slower than QRS 3 leads to problems in QSB, some of the dashe= s break up and we get gibberish QRS10 is about the limit. Some use QRS 120 and 240 ie take 240 sec dot that is 4 minute dot and= 12minute dash, this is a long time and when QSB hits the whole dot/da= sh train gets chopped and appears as irregular traces and garbled, thi= s leads to guesswork by the RX station, especially when someone has in= dicated a frequency that they will use. It has all been discussed in the past so the above information is a co= nsensus of opinion by experienced LF/MF operators. also, QRS is a real time mode with immediate exchange of information= between two or more stations and Attended by operators at each end. I hope you are satisfied by this observation G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Mal, So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good..=20 73s Roger 2010/1/4 mal hamilton Chris QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 12= 0, 240 and 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hit= s the whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer= Mongolia !! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > Hi Horst, > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely= is hardly a > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth= time beats > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who= may not be on > this site? > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS= 3, for > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS= 3 or other > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio= is worse > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard= CW. Thats > part of the game . . . > Horst > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Chris" > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even ever= y so > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undert= sand > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (t= o save > > time). > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anything slower than QRS 3 leads to= problems in=20 QSB, some of the dashes break up and we get gibberish QRS10 is about= the=20 limit.
Some use QRS 120 and 240 ie take= 240 sec dot=20 that is 4 minute dot and 12minute dash, this is a long time and when= QSB hits=20 the whole dot/dash train gets chopped and appears as irregular traces= and=20 garbled, this leads to guesswork by the RX station, especially when so= meone has=20 indicated a frequency that they will use.
It has all been discussed in the past= so the above=20 information is a consensus of opinion by experienced LF/MF=20 operators.
also, QRS is a real time mode with im= mediate=20 exchange of information between two or more stations and Attended by= operators=20 at each end.
I hope you are satisfied by this=20 observation
 
G3KEV
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 20= 10 5:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns

Mal,

So you've no strong views on slow QRS mod= es. That's=20 good..

73s
Roger

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
Chris<= BR>QRS=20 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120,= 240=20 and
480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF  w= hen=20  QSB hits the
whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie= =20 gibberish
Still some insist so what can one do ????????????????=
I=20 ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mon= golia=20 !!
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chr= is" <c.ashby435@= btinternet.com>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject:= Re: LF:=20 Callsigns


> Hi Horst,
> I don't agree. If a st= ation is=20 beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hardly a
> problem. Why= they can't=20 send a full callsign , say, every fifth time beats
> me. Any= way, isn't=20 the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not be
on
&= gt; this=20 site?
> Chris, G4AYT.
> ----- Original Message ----->=20 From: "Horst St=F6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
>=20 To: <rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: LF:=20 Callsigns
>
>
> Hello Chris, in standard CW this= will be=20 no problem. But in QRSS3, for
> example, it sometimes just= takes too=20 long. While testing in QRSS3 or other
> "slow" modes, I send= CW ID for=20 local operators. As the S/N ratio is worse
> not everyone wh= o can read=20 my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Thats
> part of the= game . .=20 .
> Horst
>
> .> -----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
>= ;=20 > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13
> > An: "RSGB LF Group"= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Betreff: LF: Callsigns
>
> >I wish beaconing= stations=20 would send a full callsign, even every so
> > often, in= the same=20 mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand
> > not= doing so=20 during a QSO once contact has been established (to save
> &g= t;=20 time).
> >
> > Chris, G4AYT.
>
>
= >=20 ___________________________________________________________
>= ;=20 Preisknaller: WEB.DE= DSL Flatrate=20 f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!
> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/
= >
>
>




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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b4bb9b22e4; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:52:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 27E7638000193; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUU2T-0006tK-Hs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUU2T-0006tB-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUU2Q-0001yJ-Lo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0172000005E for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D803820000045 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B4BB96D.8060007@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010303020608040601000708" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4bb9b04a1f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010303020608040601000708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the > latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in > parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high > power per-se. Hi Andy, LF group Look at this: { sounds interesting...) http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mmic/reshpubindex/scott.html at the end of this www page there is a link to full publication Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ ps. HNY2010 to all A, B,.. (and "class E" ) operators.... :-) --------------010303020608040601000708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy Talbot wrote:
All=C2=A0designs & ideas=C2=A0for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-)
I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible.
=C2=A0
Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 There's= an article in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power per-se.
Hi Andy, LF group
Look at this:=C2=A0 {=C2=A0 sounds interesting...)
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mmic/reshpubindex/s= cott.html
at the end of this www page there is a link to full publication

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

ps. HNY2010 to all=C2=A0 A, B,..=C2=A0=C2=A0 (and "class E" )=C2=A0 operat= ors.... =C2=A0 :-)

--------------010303020608040601000708-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-99a4b4b69d735f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:11:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME016-99a4b4b69d735f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:11:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOis-0004bf-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOis-0004bW-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOiq-0008GX-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so19005147fxm.30 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:10:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jNbyy33vgz/+LdAdrs3B9HJ0Qxc52qy1FmlnZTQdXZs=; b=OhuRbPqUcHm7TB1whm0SPUCbRrgAc6NxNwaf98ym4lG1QPRMkgpIUPzKs95OToS1pW YKYaUAuwOomEiHQYKVdw3DYTBm61O7h3cTtCoEyJASvrGxj/+/2kz3iEGnN0RGJ3C9GL h+eD9LnEwMv141NI4pwi9kZE2s3gPUMGnXefg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lwcNDYni/OUhAfvjuwGQBR61LD4q3asA2dwF642alliTrHBKC1CUQVHTN/0VaS+H8t wjhdh9cxUdKSlcmRGQ3jzX7HFF4BJl3i+XTKxeG+/ckXxGFFgiKQSylPcM7d3cMCkvtp C/4iEuo4u31HreM6MtrnRIHQhyD3DmdGXtRiY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.140 with SMTP id j12mr1757635hbi.70.1263233428842; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:10:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m248.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In what bandwidth ? Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker > have been quite spectacular. Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found > looking at the bouncing analogue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio > for aural copy was between 5 and 10 dB. > > --001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In what bandwidth ?
2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker <<= a href=3D"mailto:roelof@ndb.demon.nl">roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
have been quite spectacular.= Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found looking at the bouncing ana= logue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio for aural copy was between= 5 and 10 dB.

--001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b532b25ab; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:22:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6152F38000069; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWwF-00065E-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWwF-000655-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:15 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWWwC-0007KO-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:14 +0000 Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Weza1d00A0mv7h052fM5t1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:05 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WfM51d00E2DDHkk3XfM5fL; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b532b2347b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz USB. Some stations will begin this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. Stations may be adjusting their power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted power column. Any and all reports, groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will continue on in WSPR mode instead. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9e04b50afaf2c5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:11:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME104-9e04b50afaf2c5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqcI-0003j3-FN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqcI-0003iu-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqcG-0001W4-2B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAL4+UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKNFfgjeBegQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,283,1262563200"; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik There is QSB on it so not local mal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Nor here, seems to be a local thing > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting James Moritz : > > > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-869a4b659c131c7; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:04:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D872E38000177; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbbKz-0008C3-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b659c1151a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Good capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/31 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 31-01.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-86a14b40b45a164; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:14:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 34638380085BD; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRS5N-0001jq-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:09:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRS5N-0001jh-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b40b3717135 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, Thanks to G3XIZ I am now QRV on 136.5. I will be sending CQ CQ CQ de G7NKS de G7NKS from 15.15z onwardsat around 5min intervals Thnx for any rports With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. 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------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a854b426107393; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:43:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA085-a854b426107393; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuhE-0002EK-Gf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuhE-0002EB-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuhC-00015N-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D0498269 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <04c801ca8d85$687dc480$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.124/2599 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 04/10 09:24:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a934b483fb01dc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934b483fb01dc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:34:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTWky-000703-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTWky-0006zu-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWkw-0002IV-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTWkw-0005dX-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:10 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTWkv-0000De-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:33:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: WSPR and Grabbet at GM4ISM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All Please accept my apologies for the lack of grabber and WSPR receiving system last night. The shack server crashed again (3rd time in 2 days) the screen just freezes, no BSOD or re-boot, so i have not noticed immediatly. I am investigating the problem, but so far no clues. I will probably start to look for a replacement machine, but it may take some time, as the server is fairly hardware intensive with 3 soundcards, and 4 serial ports, and performs a whole lot of other tasks. Anyone with an unused PCI 2 or 4 way serial port card in their junkbox ?? the present machine has 2 ports on the MOBO, that is getting to be rare. I will try to keep the present machine running in the mean time, but unless i can get it reliable, it may be out of service for some prolonged periods, as I am often away from home for several days at a time. Regards Mark GM4ISM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.204]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b54a42715f; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B5A5380000BA; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWw2Z-00055x-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWw2Z-00055o-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWw2X-00027e-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F5F2000004E for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0DB222000004B for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B54A3D3.6040408@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:23 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 137khz X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4b54a4254cc1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF group, I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues, however i thought it would be interesting to some readers... Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially about hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a sort of "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboard a satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF signals and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could chase his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply make a qso...) Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $ so adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this group and we may have our "LF/MF toy" in space :) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.148]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5ee44b614a5819b; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:27:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA6F380000B2; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPhP-0001RC-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPhP-0001R3-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaPhN-0003iK-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4B5C66860008FF52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:25:53 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60944b614a5663ac X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, such a doubler will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a perfect 50/50 square wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the flip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Andy Talbot wrote: > I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive > signals quite recently. > > How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 > mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can > consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from > the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original > to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train > suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a664b424944121; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:02:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b424944121; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:02:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRt6h-0001Oy-TN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRt6h-0001Op-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRt6f-0004di-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 93474 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Ms9FSxuBA4WFBNgYsBceZsIDxZ4u2yG+r0RHSXXtv4IVPcgEI2uv9lOE7VU4E5UVhfiVBptREO+q1Wgdkz0YJFOy8wRahf6q8h/WjLegPBP48PGu+nQpjWkm8O6JrQP9z+yAQ7aQWk9JN8blqRwMfccAyWEHnnRkJgbN2Yh2A6Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: XtnzC8AVM1kjGEPN1s1mi2a4seYK3R8u_G2YMpyak0nqalwqwqOZKkyiaLy3_qm4S0xCDC4rN9cWrhY4cY17qe4QEeOvwtBBuCRr3qPRdLoXAHVMSp_oqwzJDgpUSap.3lZ6xHG8wYyAWLUKv8bXiAXK6c2oT1ddC47fW.wbe0efo0lH7DhvX6rJrOSTMWQuFISfWSvRDxHsMEdB0f8tx5uHLni3Cbu4GNi_kpCvM8sv4Da5rw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4B217277543543E5ADE6606204D1CDBB@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <76CBD5EABC614F83846BA8DB4BB0076F@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? 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Station is still sending WX, anybody= know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60= ,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b439c60f9; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:09:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 474233800009F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFhP-0004pu-VD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFhP-0004pl-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSFhM-0003GT-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so10740078pwj.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iutbu5/DkqKrpcLkyq66GqI/aAQl6fSeLihCx6MbxC4=; b=JpnxPND38ddoegVNuiqZ6PaqfnD1TgLTg7VSHDlM2spPtMJPZ3JU50J+fOaXc/k7M+ rdiqm52WyKSvLG/tIaVqHn8rKEXwNLnXqbY20M0ZuLmFa5Eecc9DDT0KeaGSJx+sVDYy nI3s5GJ67wET/SbQPsM97iS8NFz1UpJWGoK7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=wrsOqNS6ClLT+dmTfAAbgteuLOJQHP+lK0tS8jUAAugDXQ77qXAUGYFcZsTuNG1znQ X01yZ3I4bbmBRWWFp8xE6jzHHVCDvePtBbcywaqiao5QcaqFAxHc3fNlcCtCsF9IjCVn GmE/KkSRLVMeihI56HhF4iwp6q7tGFZRLg3ug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr16798334rvi.31.1262722085599; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:08:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 88c1944f5664b9ae Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051208k35f88779i62a1f7b392114282@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b439c5e07ac X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again, Just noticed the signals span a 2 minute period, could be some ones WSPR gone wrong. Gary - G4WGT --000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again,

Just noticed the signals span a 2 minute period, could be some ones WSPR gone wrong.

Gary - G4WGT
--000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI043-eac44b63873c4a; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4184038000074; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1qV-0000qO-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1qU-0000qF-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:54 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb1qR-0005Io-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:54 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0U19hUQ027939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:39:44 -0330 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:39:43 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <7A228BBDDCF24DF99C416AEE63062375@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <7A228BBDDCF24DF99C416AEE63062375@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: blVX9MRC 29-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b63873b5cfe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Group. Thank-you for the report. The beacon now sends a 10 second carrier after each ID as of 0100 30 Jan. 73 Joe VO1NA On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Capture mrc > henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 29-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b6020f8ac; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:18:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 151803800009D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5rt-0002Wa-TR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5rt-0002WR-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na5rn-0000oU-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ab951d0021ei1Bg5CbF2o4; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id abFe1d0062DDHkk3kbFeet; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6020eb345e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, there was room to spare with the two spots at -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the pond! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > Thank for the report Jay , > > I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t > early on ... rf was going the other way hi > > 73 - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" > Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > >> >> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 >> 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b42205a14; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:07:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 43B8838011357; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRptQ-0000UF-Jf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRptQ-0000U6-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRptO-0007e1-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwEAL6nQUtZ8VGm/2dsb2JhbACNQAaOXLgfhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="395368232" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.81.166]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 16:34:48 +0000 Message-ID: <005901ca8d5b$d48421d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:34:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DUTCH ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b4218ed1570 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to hear DUTCH acty on 500 kcs. Just worked PE5T his first QSO,= already worked PA0A at midnight 1 - 1 - 2010 Lovely to hear good traditional CW Wireless Operators pounding the KEY= - its Magical de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great to hear DUTCH acty on 500 kcs.= Just worked=20 PE5T his first QSO,  already worked PA0A at midnight 1 - 1 -=20 2010
Lovely to hear good traditional=20 CW Wireless Operators pounding the KEY - its Magical<= /DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b62d812d1; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B682D38000232; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaqBW-00071s-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaqBV-00071j-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt13p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.136]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaqBS-0000CN-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.8]) by thsmsgxrt13p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D1360C60 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales (10.33.231.33) by thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9CC1007BB22F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.1]) by thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales with smtp id 50b7_1acc_c90b531c_0cd3_11df_bff3_0013725f4d82; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt11p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714B9598049 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b62d8101560 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572 Content-Type: text/plain Most of the G4FGQ softwares (Original, high-quality, radio engineering/modelling programs.Not freeware -- just free gifts -- ) are on http://www.zerobeat.net/G4FGQ/index.html#S102 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Hello Stefan, ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss. The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance. The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you. Just as an example the path loss this programme gives for 137kHz and an average ground: 250km = 55.1dB 500km = 65.3dB 750km = 74.7dB 1000km = 83.5dB 2000km = 115.4dB 3000km = 144.5dB 4000km = 172.2dB 5000km = 199.0dB As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Alan and LF, I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follows :-) The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but anyway. And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!? If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on LF? Tnx for enlightning answers... Stefan/DK7FC _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! Alan G3NYK ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Most of the G4FGQ softwares= (Original, high-quality,=20 radio engineering/modelling programs.Not freeware --= just=20 free gifts -- ) are on http://www.zerobeat.net/G4FGQ/index.html#S102
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
=
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik=20 Strobbe
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:22 AM
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Question to the= =20 groundwave

Hello Stefan,

ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tric= ky=20 thing.
The assumption you made (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) ta= kes only=20 the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground= would=20 be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat.
In reality you= have=20 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and groun= d=20 loss.
The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less= 1D=20 behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the=20 distance.
The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named=20 GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna= =20 efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path= =20 attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.
It mus= t be=20 on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it= I can=20 send it to you.
Just as an example the path loss this programme = gives=20 for 137kHz and an average ground:
250km =3D 55.1dB
500km =3D 65.3d= B
750km=20 =3D 74.7dB
1000km =3D 83.5dB
2000km =3D 115.4dB
3000km =3D 144.= 5dB
4000km=20 =3D 172.2dB
5000km =3D 199.0dB
As you can see doubling the distanc= e "costs"=20 far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story).
I= =20 haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most= =20 amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS.= Beyond=20 that you are far better of with sky waves.

73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T

At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi Alan= and LF,=20
 
I know there are some of you who= can=20 easily answer my question that follows :-)
 
The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fields= trength E=20 is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenn= a,=20 right?
So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum= =20 distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrou= nding=20 noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-)=20 )?.
 
I expect, that the groundwave= does not=20 immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with= 1/r,=20 just as before.
 
So, if we assume one is increasing= the=20 antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 1400= 0km=20 possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not= be=20 the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but=20 anyway.
 
And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) no= t=20 affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be=20 interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the= =20 groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is=20 present!?
 
If there is so much sea water between a transat= lantic=20 distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF= or MF=20 it is clear but on LF?
 
Tnx for enlightning=20 answers...
 
Stefan/DK7FC
 
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org im=20 Auftrag von ALAN MELIA
Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51
A= n:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea= path ..=20 but this is getting silly

Ah this 500k st= uff is=20 too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again !

Alan=20 G3NYK
------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b503d6f100; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39F9138000054; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0n-0006JE-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0n-0006J5-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVj0m-0004eb-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W33 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:02:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:30 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 10:02:30.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[D97D8ED0:01CA95C9] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b503d6e2f9d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole this evening and night.= I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz. It would be very inte= resting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad, LFR1000) and two ho= me made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109, the other with 4 tubes)= . I will try them! Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH.=20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Lubos, Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and wo= uld be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but ha= ve already reached 990kms. 73s Roger =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole thi= s evening and night. I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz.= It would be very interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad= , LFR1000) and two  home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N51= 09, the other with 4 tubes). I will try them!
Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km= away from my QTH.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000
From: rogerlapt= horn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: WSP= R_500

Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz= WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am,= of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

= 73s
Roger



Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_1478907d-4d43-42d0-b97b-b6f05d524cc4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-a21d4b561830163; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CEF8F380002A4; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKoI-00032v-MI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKoI-00032m-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKoF-0005Gi-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:22 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2749066pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dJYnuwkYObCrPUmId781Kwo7TAE0W+zLTRxruF34UJc=; b=TkBzMwI/KKTWj5d+HYyYAqBqLFRqOAtp6KhKNMqGEu3xKTNVvFjAczB2emDRjo8H2M nXrBiNPTIB8HbdpBBTDIJcUWS3Rc+6xhC46/+Bn/urIdfkS+9r7cyULcYP5r+Xd2vusm vejvOnQhlACiaxGyqtK7O2uOb4exlriMWH8+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oPjICpOHRMvFjfyP8JdsW+Bqr0kC10Yzg9kV9Xhpx6VEsqr75YHdhkCAU+pHnVDR/q KFQNo9ZaSEO3hIaA0E5Kti8RYK46ejpNIp+NVf70ADjt+k9H+2DwidnrettWkCHTUbt+ dqpFwm3qOO6AvlMJI9KeR/G3E3xB9e2BRIQsY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.13.11 with SMTP id q11mr1597573rvi.2.1263933372491; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:36:12 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f18b224a40f7b534 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b5618083e60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ko, Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >> >> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >> >> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >> >> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & >> I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >> >> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >> >> >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > Hi Gary > Just received: > > 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 > 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke > > > > --000e0cd1103cafe978047d8a6bad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ko,

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one= point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx= text box (Tx1) I have used as there is more than you have decoded. I will= try placing the same text into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or= all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl= >
Gary -= G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on= LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi Gary
Just received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -451 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke




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I think this is the first time I have heard a readable transatlantic CW signal on 500k. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.152]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-a97b4b4b3379310; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:19:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7F7FD38000183; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL6P-00020J-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL6P-000209-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUL6M-0006Su-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:41 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAF/CSktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbACNVQbJFoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288569485" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:18:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:18:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40984b4b33772370 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6= K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most nights= when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6BH= Z and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I had= first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes rec= eiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either pos= t your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details of= your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I mis= sed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather= good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26= ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA92C8.F2A36730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite starting= about 2100z I=20 will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u= and Bob=20 most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.=
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last= night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal la= st night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions=20 must have been very good last night as I had first time reception=20 of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations mo= re often=20  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitation= s due to=20 strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your cw= signal on any=20 night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already= mentioned=20 it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/= 2
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 A= lbert=20
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last ni= ght

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the= night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, us= ing my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW.= Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my know= ledge just=20 enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and a normal= bandwidth=20 suited for this mode. Reports received from the following US-stati= ons: W1VD,=20 WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01= -11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best o= f both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b424bb075c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing most nights around this QRG. 73= de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: Who? Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing&= nbsp;most=20 nights around this QRG. 73 de Markus (DF6NM)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 9:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Who?
=
Station is still sending WX, anybod= y know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS= 60,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA8D82.75ACE350-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-86a04b649e8636c; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE7DD38000178; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKRp-0004Om-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKRp-0004Od-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbKRm-0003Nq-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:41 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UL1ams007643 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:01:36 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:01:37 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:27 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Optic cable distributor Thread-Index: Acqh7qQ+QMVvRH5xRT6PNBNLIYarZgAADA6M References: <644F25ED85C94A3D8E4CEC80685E0D52@TraceyPC> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <7EE06E4C47284C5D801D13F46AB1DCE1@TraceyPC> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.204821 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723" Subject: LF: WG: Optic cable distributor X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b649e8429b1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,=20 Tracey found the mail i meant, mni tnx. So, agn the infos abt cable and so on, below.... (It is one possibility,= other cables may do it as well...) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gardner@talktalk.net] Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:56 An: Stefan Sch=E4fer Betreff: Re: Optic cable distributor No I'll let you do it as it was your message :-) =20 73s Tracey =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: Tracey Gardner =20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: AW: Optic cable distributor Yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Do you want to forward it to the reflec= tor? Others asked for the cable as well... =20 73, Stefan =20 TNX!! ________________________________ Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gardner@talktalk.net] Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:23 An: Stefan Sch=E4fer Betreff: Fw: Optic cable distributor =20 =20 Hello Stefan =20 Is this the message that you were looking for? =20 73s Tracey =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor Dear LF Group,=20 Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributo= r. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked,= if just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cabl= e there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he ev= en would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle).= One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or Fren= ch language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address= dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the su= ccess. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX si= gnals ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable= would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,
Tracey found the mail i meant,= mni tnx.
So, agn the infos abt cable and= so on, below.... (It is one possibility, other cables may do it as well..= .)
 
Stefan/DK7FC

Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gar= dner@talktalk.net]
Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:56
An:= Stefan Sch=E4fer
Betreff: Re: Optic cable distributor

No I'll let you do it as it was your message :-)
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
To: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:= 47 PM
Subject: AW: Optic cable distributo= r

Yes it is!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Do you want to forward it to the reflector? Others asked= for the cable as well...
 
73, Stefan
 
TNX!!

Von: Tracey Gardner [mailto:tracey.gar= dner@talktalk.net]
Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 21:23
An:= Stefan Sch=E4fer
Betreff: Fw: Optic cable distributor

Hello Stefan
 
Is this the message that you were looking for?
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statemen= ts and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about= the cable.

The type of cable I use= is CWKF-1001E2= 2 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone= contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial custome= rs or also private customers can order the cable there. He told me, that= even private customers can order there and he even would sell short lengt= hs of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7= Euro. It is possible to order in English or French language but not in Ch= inese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries= the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me= very much.

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC=

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst= St=F6cker
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic= transmission of RX signals

...

What type of cable do yo= u suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV= and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

_____________________________________= ______________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f= =FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1EF.69A31723-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.204]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5ee24b5ca4d376; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:51:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C74E3800015F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8U0-0000Qc-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8U0-0000QT-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8Ty-0001to-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:52 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5A871C00085 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9814A1C00087 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4C1A11C00085 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:44 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124195044311.4C1A11C00085@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b5ca4d2699a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fs= net.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA9D2E.83B39000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.76]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b45053c264; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:48:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D3FF38000085; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdj1-000080-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdj1-00007r-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdiz-0002Cx-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:31 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F065151C004 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5883F3862 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 40C9C18056; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from 159.20-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (159.20-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.20.159]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 Message-ID: <20100106224719.xa5jukecq8swskwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:47:19 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.20.159 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b4505391eea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Here it is 559 with remarkable little qsb. Sounds almost like local. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Albert : > Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, > > Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the > north east. > > 73, Albert PA0A > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF054-8bec4b521088307; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBDEA38000077; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWE6i-0003tD-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWE6i-0003t4-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWE6g-0003if-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 13F7B1C00085 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0657D1C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.2.4]) by mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A5A201C00085 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100116191438678.A5A201C00085@mwinf3528.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon ....... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b52108637ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not quite enough luck .......close though G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should be) With a bit of luck GB4FPR live CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon .....= ... no email access at the station ,=20 Tnx G .. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not  quite enough luck .......cl= ose=20 though
 
 
G ..
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:24 PM
Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should=20 be)

With a  bit of  luck GB4FPR=  =20 live  CW  502.0  Saturday afternoon ........
no email access at  the  st= ation ,=20
 
Tnx G ..
 
 
 




------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA96E0.259876B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b48d9bb354; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:32:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4AE1380000BE; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTh1Q-0000H5-9W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTh1P-0000Gw-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTh1M-0000iS-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13165834bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:30:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=04qVxtROzaEaJUzBHZAPqvDWM5x+/WKhYdOd3DncbBg=; b=VANPVcQfJt8kbZfZOvwW5IVMAYlIjnDZ0K5J7/W0Aqj6QttQShUUMl1XQyH8ve1KFu WfbUZ4rcMoRDVIpUsTwEbuzqHgwP00CpZpZKGIgDrC7lV+gvzrWe1NAdLq23bXAxa2BE vboaVJ4XzvFnvD9BC+mCQjEsZKzabKiHRV0JY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DiPIASK3g3wlS5fIJ+VWmaRmH4FYiZ2tdkCDNpks/YpgTkvx3FnNhPaFWjFsOVvkdl 4IwrWhh2KJMSFh8eZI7habtKOD7YoFsa1BKgB2M6KZuXWnx/WVmzvydWNFPDcTPNKwab 4zEBivC0tJ2oGSQmji5lj0hV3CQktoV0+hLe8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.133 with SMTP id f5mr2461655bkb.157.1263065441399; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:30:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001091130o585af64bk54bb7fcb65217a64@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b48d9b958eb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bravo Gary! Mal, I respect you as an excellent LF CW operator, but you do talk such *utter tripe* sometimes! 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/9 Gary - G4WGT > Mal, > > Perhaps we don't wish to. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/9 mal hamilton > > Dead End mode >> The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are >> strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. >> G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* KKorn42@aol.com >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: WSPR LA3? >> >> OK, Lee, >> 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! >> >> It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. >> >> Or are we lured into a dead end ..... >> >> 73 >> de >> Klaus >> dj6lb >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a356f674c6047cc0568a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo Gary!

Mal, I respect you as an excellent LF CW operator, but= you do talk such utter tripe sometimes!

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Mal,

Perhaps we don't wish to.

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/9 mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>

Dead End mode
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW= =20 MODE.
G3KEV
=A0
<= div>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KKorn42@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
=A0
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
=A0
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
=A0
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb




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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
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boundary="Boundary_(ID_luGBo1jhRVupW78vULALEQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_luGBo1jhRVupW78vULALEQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ScstwkSGZod92H/jc0ORTQ)" --Boundary_(ID_ScstwkSGZod92H/jc0ORTQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Andrey,LF,nice capture AGC Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AGC 24-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging 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Hi Andrey,LF,nice capture AGC
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
AGC  24-01.jpg

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X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines > showing, > only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either > > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ > > If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and > 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr frequency > to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > > > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier > > 503.4 K/cs > > de mal/g3kev > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Moritz" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > > > >> Dear Mal, LF Group, > >> > >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > >> > >> Cheers, Jim Moritz > >> 73 de M0BMU > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-a104b523bc5ec; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:21:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104b523bc5ec; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:20:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWGzN-0005Pm-If for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:19:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWGzM-0005Pd-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:19:24 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWGzK-0005Tx-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:19:24 +0000 Received: from COL122-W45 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:19:05 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2010 22:19:05.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA6AEEA0:01CA96F9] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_" Subject: LF: WSPR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2202 -16 -0.5 0.503914 0 G4WGT IO83 30 2204 -7 -0.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 2206 5 1.8 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? 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2200 -23  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
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2204&n= bsp; -7 -0.4   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
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Lubos, OK2= BVG

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDt= a=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_4a924a67-4bc8-42cc-8ee8-e9bcff6ccea4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.141]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-85fc4b40fa6b1af; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:13:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5883838021E2C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWiX-0005OL-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWiX-0005OC-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWiV-0001yk-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:06:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 99103 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 20:06:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=N1lZRLk1PSEELtR7q49PdTmWcKUVxO5EMBSZD+tcu0esQl6FRJ09eas4b55o9QIcjpVyv0qVUgX7qR4bWdpcgVZ4K/4sUU0Ju7ks6V4l7C6hMZo4irk6U6iq5W91MN6w3SyyUlZwcvBvgBYYYK+sj9PGS7ohz26ivrtyUfiWpGk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.220.78 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 20:06:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: 8aCkIPEVM1kF0fb_Tv_QywDwmL8WUg.YvdPk4SvkiVl_iTftzR2ijJO3wntA_fxZPwih0TLrLpcb6eTIdsrLAHSQlhOERGbKD1jLk3OCYQXikCOeKSPkq0jnmMtJjrRP7GSJ84gsZk9kFhrovEpj.DzkoBvllvK3Q.tTYxsnvDHN4x.Wjw1klLt9Z8TEgShUmlbkUtBbJ9In4rqGgENqhRkDZKhBNs8icKnhJndFMqyqvw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <55419FA8164A45CCA0094231C642F8EC@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:06:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b40f8f02a5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here= on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not= identified yet.=20 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Station sending 'DTL' over and over= again in QRSS60=20 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx= . 1Hz=20 lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA8CB0.3545A590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.83]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4b4765d112c; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:05:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6CBD33800017C; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIFh-0005qN-BP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIFg-0005qE-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:56 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTIFe-0001H6-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:03:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 36083 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 17:03:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=RyXUn/BA1C11Uub9Ly+8yMiRWASAlY0WPnfy5J0Y2n6pp+Zx1cGJGhJxe7P4owQy8bJWC3TXJTMCJ2JYK48uulZWF4MaeHmTAEWOKTCY1jwvy7dfuWR7+QBCST4e56fHSV940/hHu19Xvpg5pgx4wjWIv/cbNml5S96jjTHopxY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.134.103.150 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 17:03:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: 6pJGQp4VM1m5KdOIR3nPcDBdAF1._WHzTCaI6c.pj173JOJ3FmkmmZ8FwaJyTNEL0Rzw_AO3cWON5UMS9qbcq7fFawn4VsChL1eWfq5d5mWlHyRTFGeNIVTpZIDBR6Hsw9jMt2aVdGmNkKhoL.3yrzECSvZso8a4uKg9lLcMOSWv0fnnS4GobDk2JrPjvEcPFbdzusFK0iOrtDyQgIWquZTJjoA72zp5zbCX9aJVoT1mhg8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <10F19CC86D914F84AED9B3AE78F05DB3@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:03:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40534b4765cf56da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Thanks for the email. Snow this week in Biggleswade has been about 2i= nches, less than Xmas week, but temperature much lower (-5C is low for= us southerners) Main roads OK but side roads and pavements ice cover= ed. Wish you good DX for 2010, and hope to have QSO with you again= soon. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Dennis I wondered why u did not reply. Here several inches of snow on grnd= and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affected=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Hi all, I have called CQ several times this past week on 500kHz and may ha= ve got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ but their transmissi= ons blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby railway overhead line= equipment. Sorry if I missed your calls. Keep warm and 73, Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Thanks for the email.  Snow this= week in=20 Biggleswade has been about 2inches, less than Xmas week, but temperatu= re much=20 lower (-5C is low for us southerners)  Main roads OK but side roa= ds and=20 pavements ice covered.   Wish you good DX for 2010, and hope= to have=20 QSO with you again soon.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, January 08, 201= 0 3:22=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost= on railway=20 overhead lines.

Dennis
I wondered why u did not reply. Her= e several=20 inches of snow on grnd and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas= not=20 affected
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 08,= 2010 12:10=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on= railway=20 overhead lines.

Hi all,
 
I have called CQ several times th= is past week=20 on 500kHz and may have got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3= DXZ but=20 their transmissions blotted out by QRM caused by frost on=20 nearby railway overhead line equipment.    Sor= ry if I=20 missed your calls.
 
Keep warm and 73, Dennis=20 M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA9084.8A2C91E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-5d84b53404b17a; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:52:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG071-5d84b53404b17a; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYLa-00079k-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYLZ-00079b-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:29 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWYLS-0007oC-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:51:29 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2010 16:51:13 -0000 Received: from p5DC4386D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.56.109] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 17:51:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ejIAblCRezBgwl7PYZgiFeimo45M5pkVHt50Gjn 2110IC9hXsVOS1 Message-ID: <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:51:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.56000000000000005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA979D.A3A83550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA979D.A3A83550 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, a bit more than 3Hz below. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz > intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >> showing, >> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >> >> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr > frequency >> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >> >> G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mal hamilton" >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> > >> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier >> > 503.4 K/cs >> > de mal/g3kev >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "James Moritz" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> > >> > >> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >> >> >> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >> >> >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m206.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roelof, When I was checking earlier I could hear NDB KN on 494.000 kHz (495.025). 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roelof Bakker > Hello Gary, > > Glad to hear you solved this problem. > I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there. > The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > JO23tm > > --000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roelof,

When I was checking earlier I could hear NDB= KN on 494.000 kHz (495.025).

73, Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/14 Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demo= n.nl>
Hello Gary,

Glad to hear you solved this problem.
I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there.=
The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz.

73,
Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
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--000e0cd10952101f26047d263f47-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5b14b5619c7248; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:45:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG032-5b14b5619c7248; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:44:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKve-00039s-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKve-00039j-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKvb-0005Kv-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 58607 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=N0B3MJYtQn22CWAEdx2KP/DO1KR2sxR8Wc8rZV948Q2+dRibozK1U7xZ8/FgUxkxM9EEwbbjSI+4FD2Pjtvlz4rl6H9GFc9EfqSOYawGofno0CReZwqHJcU0e65sgTcRVdCvLdlRt7Gz8BPikvJ0SD2u3x5Qy7y6y0U8kJvYbhM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: vY.1DZQVM1knr8NIAEhAPWCzrl7DZtYtv4kR4JCplRjTcryMnqsNIJMGaIwVEv2sfZROBBwFoJxdEiSyO_BGo6vqSeRgMimB1bIn2Lby649AMIRazoGKv470Bb3C5YmGaVniu3zd4_yhalrowj9aqYub2C6N_1mD8AVACttCFkAA4SHXPB1iPcESqrfr_Q5GzuyplcNKc4hJMhpCVoXdKXJn4o3kDb4wkaal7yzS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Thread-Index: AcqZPfEREToFkm8jRJKXmArOkWaMQwACesVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary, =20 202800 24 -2 1.9 223 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203000 25 -1 1.9 223 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203200 22 -2 1.8 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203400 24 -2 2.0 223 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 203600 23 -2 1.9 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 204000 22 -2 1.8 223 29 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0=20 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 19 January 2010 19:30 To: Rsgb_Lf_Group Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Hi All,=20 For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on= LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. Sorry, no prizes :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/= 19/10 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Gary,
 
202800 24  = -2 =20 1.9  223 32 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203000 25   -1  1.9  223 33=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203200 22   -2  1.8  223 30=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203400 24   -2  2.0  223 31=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
203600 23   -2  1.9  223 30=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
204000 22   -2  1.8  223 29=20 *      TEST G4WGT=20 IO           &n= bsp;=20 1   0
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 19 January 2010=20 19:30
To: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJ= T=20 JT4A

Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.<= /DIV>

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minute= s.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the= results on=20 LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.14= 9/2630 -=20 Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9948.1B8F6D80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a604b5611141b7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:08:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604b5611141b7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:07:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKLg-0002bC-VK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKLg-0002b3-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKLe-0008DJ-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:06:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0JK6eHY075807 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:40 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100119-0, 01/19/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi All, > > For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. > > The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. > > Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. > > If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF > & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. > > Sorry, no prizes :-(( > > > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. Hi Gary Just received: 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b4e7d86378; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:12:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF05938000081; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFB2-0006Hl-8n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFB1-0006Hc-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:11 +0000 Received: from mcgi37.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVFAz-00053X-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:11:11 +0000 Received: from mcgi37.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi37.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08CE11470 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:02 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.253] by mcgi37.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:01 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:11:01 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b4e7d8453ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b505a8c2e7; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:07:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7BEDF3800008E; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkwe-0007Pi-Ud for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkwe-0007PZ-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30] helo=mta03.eastlink.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVkwd-0005oN-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:06:28 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KWA00ER6EW6MYS0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:54 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAInoT0sY4IgYgWdsb2JhbACBRFEamVEBARYkLq9tCYtPgkeBagQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,281,1262577600"; d="scan'208,217";a="528511582" Received: from me01.eastlink.ca (HELO eastlink.ca) ([24.224.136.24]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:10:19 -0400 Received: from [142.177.160.131] by me01.eastlink.ca (mshttpd); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 From: vmath@eastlink.ca To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-id: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-8.04 (built Jul 29 2009; 32bit) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ)" Subject: LF: 500khz WSPR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b505a8b2ce8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ) Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline Hi all...left the rig running all night ... 2010-01-15 08:14 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -2 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 08:12 WD2XSH/10 0.503838 +2 0 EM95tg +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 1828 1136 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -4 0 FN42pb +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 701 436 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -4 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 07:16 SM6BHZ 0.503924 -26 0 JO57wq +27 0.501 VE1VDM FN85ij 5087 3161 2010-01-15 07:04 PA0A 0.503899 -21 0 JO33de +37 5.012 VE1VDM FN85ij 4916 3055 Regards Vernon - VE1VDMIcom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees ) --Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ) Content-Type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline

Hi all...left the rig running all night ...

 2010-01-15 08:14   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -2   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 
 2010-01-15 08:12   WD2XSH/10   0.503838   +2   0   EM95tg   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   1828   1136 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/17   0.503891   -4   0   FN42pb   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   701   436 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -4   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 

  
 2010-01-15 07:16   SM6BHZ      0.503924   -26   0   JO57wq   +27   0.501   VE1VDM   FN85ij   5087   3161 
 2010-01-15 07:04   PA0A        0.503899   -21   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   VE1VDM   FN85ij   4916   3055 

 

Regards Vernon - VE1VDM

Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees )

--Boundary_(ID_WSDGhEvyISSKbfcMQU1UcQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b53623f219; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:17:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91FEC380000BD; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWabM-0000Ne-Hh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWabM-0000NV-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWabL-0000tM-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC97B51C008 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877D4F3862 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 506DC18056; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from 238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.63.238]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.63.238 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b53623d1358 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jay, I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. Reports via wsprnet.org 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > USB. Some stations will begin > this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > Stations may be adjusting their > power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > power column. Any and all reports, > groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > > We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > continue on in WSPR mode > instead. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-a21d4b4a2f982c3; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:50:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EEBF38000119; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3nC-0004SD-M3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3nC-0004S4-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3nB-0004C3-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327ED51C002 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C6531E703 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id CB2D618056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b4a2f971eb6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) =20 depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Cowburn : > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =20 > a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =20 > current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =20 > limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =20 > estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =20 > (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =20 > one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =20 > be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =20 > a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =20 > would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =20 > the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =20 > capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB =20 > difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =20 > for a great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.27]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b658ccd345; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1469838000153; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbaJG-00082c-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbaJG-00082T-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbaJD-0007ZT-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:57:53 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G/6uZZEjj19MdO/LwE9EOzQHTYxX/jg9T4Pu4yqr3GShTMyZKtKLGYwjq8vkcv3W; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.63] (helo=wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NbaJ3-0007Ze-Rf; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 Received: from 97.124.46.88 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: <12077821.1264946261487.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c260963b8aaedd422e9746a90631e68e55c51666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.63 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601b4b658ccb490c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is > in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use > outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, > please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the > correct format now. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send > the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is > already working vy fine! > That is a very interesting approach to minimizing induced noise on the RX cable. What are the loss characteristics of the optical link, including the diode(s)? Chris Trask N7ZWY WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a0a4b4f5ed8120; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:13:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b4f5ed8120; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:13:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVUBL-0001Zs-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVUBL-0001Zj-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVUBJ-00034R-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 17937 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from 188-23-178-118.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.178.118]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub94.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jan 2010 18:12:20 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1263492740.1774.8.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave! Many thanks for your report. I appreciate this much. I'm using a Marconi Antenna (13m vertically) with multiple topload-wires up to 50m long. Capacitive load is about 650pf and loading coil is 2,1mH. The PA-output was about 200W this evening. 73 de OE3GHB Gerhard Am Dienstag, den 12.01.2010, 21:34 +0000 schrieb Dave G3WCB: > Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, > > OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. > > RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. Windsor, S.E.England > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b3e80f1f5; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:10:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E8953800347F; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQqU3-0002ed-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQqU3-0002eU-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQqU1-0006NP-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:00:39 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 59CB76248D62 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:00:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.248.111.114] by freemailng1803.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:00:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:00:29 +0100 Message-Id: <1160510449@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hans-Albrecht Haffa To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gTjrDX3AXupDQprNzKo5EuLWFhtgof0F2iyA9SBYDupjqq sqWzcrZ8AOYI+AozMEgicvzISDOYm98tZgr9PSvZfenkXciatk= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b3e7ee44512 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Ossi,=20 also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands for= experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape stri= p "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explan= ing message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc.=20 But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band, wi= th no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as TE= ST or QST message.=20 Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amateu= r mode.=20 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: odl > Hallo victor ! > tu fer pic testing new antenna > running good in the new year hi > happy new year=20 > 73 oe5odl ossi > victor13@online.nl schrieb: > > Happy new year to all, > > > > captured ODL this morning > > 137710 Hz > > > > 73 > > > > Victor > > PA3FNY > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > > >=20 >=20 ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-86514b58e6db61; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6500538000090; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY6gE-0000Fq-EJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY6gD-0000Fa-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:13 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY6gB-0001BH-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:43:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0LNh80d003542 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:43:09 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:43:08 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: ERP<>EMRP Thread-Index: Acqa0Fq5w+pUi4DKSW+jf170wx7dfQAIo/tE References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com><007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.692;21.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.21.232720 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9AF3.7C226F07" Subject: LF: ERP<>EMRP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b58e6d96a0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9AF3.7C226F07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy,=20 =20 Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? =20 73, Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic elec= tromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getti= ng antenna efficiency. =20 =20 Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. =20 Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the= antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to= 6dB error. 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(HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.3.245]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:28:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003901ca9d1a$92b4bf70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:27:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Eddie Let me know if u need a report on qrs or cw. I can hear and work all the other Micro Watt merchants. My 40m loop is E/W but I can use the inv L if needed to hear u. I must get a NS loop installed in case I am missing something de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > > > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > > period of the screenshot. > > > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > > Grabbers. > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > > 1245utc. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave > > G3WCB > > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > > contains elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of > > g3zjo > > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > > To: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > > same time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB052-861f4b575d7813f; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:46:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 46CA43800012D; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgU1-0007br-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgU1-0007bi-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgTz-0000Ks-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:53 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120194446.KLLM4474.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:46 +0000 Received: from [82.26.27.117] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgTt-00064g-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:46 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqaBkO27twyCziUQrmUuKRfYTPE5QAAq9tQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=bPV2uaBrCK0c115Nj8QA:9 a=Qhqh4cR7GYJDxvUeamAA:7 a=EqLM3iYCDs2yUvX1Xluq-GnmlREA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ytwkUWg1-ORZ-iBWLQIA:9 a=CaZqtJTrva1N0raLA34A:7 a=0Lu0qnCzvIs6ixH4PGk3sBLrGeMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b575d77667f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1200km!!!!=A0= new record for me!!

 

With best regards

 

 

Jim

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010= 19:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

Hell= o LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s= ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

------=_NextPart_000_0838_01CA9A09.04487100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b563c04d6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:11:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2BEE3380000BD; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNCj-0004et-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNCj-0004ek-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXNCh-0000wM-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:45 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so396920bwz.29 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Uit57Jo36KxnH2yzT5B/7g/GTBG9ht4B9XGwg/miDlg=; b=s/mlmzpfT9zgfUeK8oOi9HzQ+1gtcrdQ9uoOUAqmYhXRtD9/ntC0LBHITOUMOZW6el VsRrUzwLHnIVjVJySFt+EFgmGHtzwctgo4e17TJFRR4RqxtiF4QtF6Pva6omiEyZa1U5 iODJzovUalvWLwS+t7LK3yPOrBox4GkyJ1c4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YQZCKv8cswHurlWnjOwQfFWN+75Fz0DleBu/frCO9LHft2ZB2o1vICoa34JlpsFc3o zirGNZy2t9HcsOwjCRCKt9orqJjGNHa3o5oP+JA3uaf+pjnCZ1mqAL/KscgNSqa4qj50 AXEZC1zipedtN36M/QBAn9c+pUiicNcWX5+h8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.26 with SMTP id f26mr4684016bkf.66.1263942576998; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b563c025e3c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All, I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my personal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy. If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England *please leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch for G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec34518940047d8c9055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All,

I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
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(VPS 100109-0, 09-01-2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b48d3b00ac9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageSpecial Message Formats=20 Normal WSPR messages consist of a callsign, 4-digit grid locator, and= power level in dBm. These messages are always preferred when appropri= ate. However, compound callsigns (i.e., callsigns with add-on prefix= or suffix) cannot fit into the 28 bits allocated in a standard messag= e. Similarly, 6-digit locators cannot fit into 15 bits. Messages using= these components are therefore sent using a two-transmission sequence= . For example, if the callsign is PJ4/K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator= is FK52UD, and the power level 37 dBm, the following messages will be= sent in alternating transmissions:=20 PJ4/K1ABC 37 FK52UD 37=20 If you have special need to use a 6-digit locator with a normal callsi= gn, check the box Force transmission of 6-digit locator. If the callsi= gn is K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator FN42AX, and the power level 37= dBm, the following messages will then be sent in alternating transmis= sions:=20 K1ABC FN42 37 FN42AX 37=20 Callsigns enclosed in angle brackets are actually sent as 15-bit hash= codes. If such a code is received by another station before the full= callsign has been received, it will be displayed as <...> on the deco= ded text line. Once the full callsign has been received, the decoder= will thereafter recognize the hash code and fill in the blanks. Two= very different callsigns might have the same hash code, but the 15-bi= t hash-code length ensures that in practice such collisions will be ra= re.=20 Please note that messages with compound callsigns or 6-digit locators= will not be properly decoded by WSPR versions earlier than 2.0. Furth= er details on message formats can be found in Appendix B, and in the= WSPR source code.=20 7=20 From: Lee Hudson=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3 Hi Klaus, Yes I'm using V2 However: 100109 1456 9 -22 2.4 0.503919 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -3 13= 0 100109 1500 7 -24 1.6 0.503921 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -1 1= 0 100109 1502 6 -25 1.8 0.503919 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 3= 0 100109 1506 13 -18 1.7 0.503918 <...> JO28WJ 10 -1 1= 0 100109 1508 17 -14 1.7 0.503916 LA3/O28WJJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1510 16 -16 1.8 0.503915 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1512 11 -20 1.8 0.503915 LA3/O28WJJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1516 14 -16 1.7 0.503896 LA3/O28WJJ 10 -1 6= 0 100109 1518 15 -15 1.8 0.503895 <...> JO28WJ 10 0 1= 0 100109 1520 15 -15 1.7 0.503896 LA3EQ/M 10 1 1= 0 100109 1522 11 -19 1.8 0.503898 JO28WJ 10 1 1= 0 The question I suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the trans= missions, WSPR on a PC, or something homebrew for /M use? 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Special Message Formats

Normal WSPR messages consist of a callsign, 4-digit gr= id locator,=20 and power level in dBm. These messages are always preferred when appro= priate.=20 However, compound callsigns (i.e., callsigns with add-on prefix or suf= fix)=20 cannot fit into the 28 bits allocated in a standard message. Similarly= , 6-digit=20 locators cannot fit into 15 bits. Messages using these components are= therefore=20 sent using a two-transmission sequence. For example, if the callsign= is=20 PJ4/K1ABC, the 6-digit grid locator is FK52UD, and the power level 37= dBm, the=20 following messages will be sent in alternating transmissions:=20

PJ4/K1ABC 37 <PJ4/K1ABC> FK52UD 37

If you have special need to use a 6-digit locator with= a normal=20 callsign, check the box Force transmission of 6-digit= =20 locator. If the callsign is K1ABC, the 6-digit grid= locator FN42AX,=20 and the power level 37 dBm, the following messages will then be sent= in=20 alternating transmissions:

K1ABC FN42 37 <K1ABC> FN42AX 37

Callsigns enclosed in angle brackets are actually sent= as 15-bit=20 hash codes. If such a code is received by another station before the= full=20 callsign has been received, it will be displayed as <...> on the decoded= text line. Once=20 the full callsign has been received, the decoder will thereafter recog= nize the=20 hash code and fill in the blanks. Two very different callsigns might= have the=20 same hash code, but the 15-bit hash-code length ensures that in practi= ce such=20 collisions will be rare.

Please note that messages with compound callsigns or= 6-digit=20 locators will not be properly decoded by WSPR versions earlier than 2.= 0. Further=20 details on message formats can be found in Appendix B, and in the WSPR= source=20 code.

7


=
Hi Klaus,
 
Yes= I'm using=20 V2
Ho= wever:
 
1001= 09=20 1456   9 -22  2.4   0.503919  LA3/O28WJJ= =20 10          -3  = ; =20 13    0
100109 1500   7 -24  1.6 = ; =20 0.503921  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     1    0
100109 1502 &= nbsp; 6=20 -25  1.8   0.503919  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 3    0
100109 1506  13 -18  1.7  = ;=20 0.503918  <...> JO28WJ 10     &nbs= p; =20 -1     1    0
100109 1508 = 17=20 -14  1.7   0.503916  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1510 = 16=20 -16  1.8   0.503915  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
100109 1512  11 -20  1.8  = ;=20 0.503915  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1516 = 14=20 -16  1.7   0.503896  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     6    0
100109 1518 = 15=20 -15  1.8   0.503895  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
1001= 09 1520  15=20 -15  1.7   0.503896  LA3EQ/M=20 10           &n= bsp; =20 1     1    0
100109 1522 = 11=20 -19  1.8   0.503898  <LA3EQ/M> JO28WJ=20 10     1     1  &nbs= p;=20 0
<= /FONT> 
The question I=20 suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the=20 transmissions,
WSPR= on a PC,=20 or something homebrew for /M use?
 
73= ,
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
&n= bsp;
------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CA9167.17DED920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.76]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b60953d1a2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 118CE38000049; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdN-0003sr-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdN-0003si-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDdL-0005X3-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:01 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127193253.CMJS10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100127193253.HVBM22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:53 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B6094E0.1719.223E059@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=UzKWH3ZmO763UQOEUKYA:9 a=JmRMaStnd7Gpv0HnSHQ0_-6wpEgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV on 136.32 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b60953b237a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be running a test transmission tonight transmiting 'XDV' using QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz from now (1930UTC) to around 0900 tomorrow morning. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a1f4b561186146; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:10:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b561186146; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKNm-0002eH-36 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKNl-0002e8-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:57 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKNi-0008Ed-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:57 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4595822pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jz1UnADciaYVWC9LTDZkEz1GEGMyMieqs/eTXzALbsY=; b=BLtg4b/6Ggt1mmGmwlHVXErKvVZ7XGSm3+GSM52ShwACafDWoeni6X12MPuE9npOtl rJG1rW3hO2OCp03uz6RYo3oVNQ2n0wfY6HQK3u0kwUUUcmMoOoEs0pz5HGiZVygY/lHI 2jo6q96abq09Hk5F6ylvFo2T+hKUdy+USsl8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nwJMV3Z1wmD49V69KeZoID7AhuFRCGaHnkrQf0sw6u3shWWQXbf2uNotIAgneC1fYN tijRt5vAYZBMAI88HyHPZjLxQ2D2pXPuE2Tn9l3zRfDj94/9l2xVtKAdYxWML/UY6q++ CE5FKjlSuBkibrhR2klCklDO72L6bToxOEZ+o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr5682057rvi.136.1263931725844; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:08:45 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a95e560d6a129678 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d233.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Martin, Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping for others to try decoding. I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. > > At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. > > Can't decode it, of course. > > Martin GW3UCJ. > > > > > --000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin,

Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.=

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP sig= nal showing up. You should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute= on the even minutes. Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollie= s.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.





--000e0cd1191e8a132d047d8a09b6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-91f4b506af53e; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:18:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f4b506af53e; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:17:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVlzk-00081G-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVlzj-000817-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:43 +0000 Received: from web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVlzi-0002mU-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 11051 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263561207; bh=MlnrFmycg6MZuflvEGnfARRme/q5viiaSklepiUP91Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g0Lbcvk3NcaJA8yQatJUVXrHhdJO0mAc/ipukfjST1Jby5pEzBgSjuk8VwR4bMFrAWTVYTpnYV9gZ5FlX7wply9A7sYlfXzKgvndL2JsTX+zgcItzahIkSd+eZQdEaIoC5KJTVSomVQUZJZH4Z2gmy17R2iE8d4216EoKiaWMXA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b1fvXQ6/8egIvZpB48U8Lj8hH3ngeToP4yoAqLmNVwIglCMhUgsMijDL7ml7/AFuWcMsTaALdCXFS2mHkOyGfM4TiEkKgcmixfIvRUIBHwDPhNRlADoMmhrK/Lg/sGnlCLgkkz29Mpy6iihYNb/6lIEAA9ohrceCmTlx+g8VOUI=; Message-ID: <924161.10258.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X340N9MVM1l0SUH8oq2cW6wWRt9dONR_8EMKQDaEAT5elbOeTW.DkLBu3rFi_5VKMv8tvtsKFEHfktEUuXofj9wFrPXFeMxyde3wZAOW3QgH54bIof9hDVwmbLePq.fk71upr3jxkrcU7.rrv8cIH6FT6.sMRVu61fod23EKDxn.i2QEQuY.YBoE9iP9YZHcPY2Zb7BGl9Z.sCBG7nit2dbX4Zx_D3_byYoAiDZ44UcDwtxu5wdFzoqAd69xyWxpn8CMchzAzjNbepbtPrs48alsTMLU2Fn9MP6J6AZHuw2AJZKWfQfFc79j Received: from [81.129.12.153] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:13:27 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =C2=A0 Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "HNY"....e= tc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hellschreiber sty= le of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site=C2=A0=C2=A0..... htt= p://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html 73 Petefmt From: Laurence KL1X Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54 Looks like variable frequency drive interference=C2=A0from devices=C2=A0li= ke pumps, elevator motors, =C2=A0cranes=C2=A0etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough. =C2=A0 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =C2=A0 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =C2=A0 Anyone come across these? =C2=A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =C2=A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =C2=A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =C2=A0 Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=E2=80=99s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now.=20 =20 --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "= HNY"....etc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hel= lschreiber style of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site &= nbsp;..... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html
73 Petefmt

From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
Sub= ject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fr= iday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54

Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 

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<= br> =20 --0-1085557740-1263561207=:10258-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a574b4333d618d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:43:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b4333d618d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:43:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NS8j8-0003XM-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NS8j7-0003XD-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:33 +0000 Received: from omta1.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.99]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NS8j4-0000TP-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:41:33 +0000 Received: from torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.177.7.56]) by tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100105124115.SWGL29008.tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:41:15 -0500 Received: from JimPC ([142.177.7.56]) by torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with ESMTP id <20100105124115.FRIS27443.torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@JimPC> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:41:15 -0500 From: "Jim and Hannelore Fisher" To: References: <015001ca8db5$53f543a0$fbdfcae0$@princeton.edu> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <016b01ca8e04$5ae52320$10af6960$@princeton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqNx6Wcs+9XI1+ST1aTZoknVqywNgAPKXZw Content-Language: en-ca X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020205.4B43336B.01B2,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN=2.872,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mni tnx, Victor! 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-05-10 05:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500khz licence Hello Jim, i am using a synthesised drive unit SD1 from Redifon (very old) to generate wspr.The ssb modulator for this at 1.4MHz for this I build in myself, PA is also homebrew,500W output, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Jim and Hannelore Fisher Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 4:15 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hi Victor-- How are you generating WSPR on 500 kHz--transverter/directly? 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-04-10 16:10 To: blacksheep Subject: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a2b4b563d41159; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:16:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4b563d41159; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:16:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNIG-0004jL-C5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:15:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXNIG-0004jC-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:15:28 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXNID-0006Rr-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Biggest in 2 years... http://spaceweather.com/ Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.82]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-8c344b3e29523b7; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:56:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33B2B38000132; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQkmP-0000ny-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQkmP-0000np-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQkmM-0004zd-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:55:13 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35931980AE for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b3e29520aee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Graham, no sign of radio Caroline here,Akraberg is S9+20dB Hope to get my 500kc licence soon,nothing official yet, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Graham Verzonden: vrijdag 1 januari 2010 16:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s P, Well may be best time will be round 2000 > 2200 Hrs ..for the skip distance Any Dutch stations on 500 later ? 73 - G . This list is scary http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.txt .... From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Graham,
 
no=20 sign of radio Caroline here,Akraberg is S9+20dB
 
Hope=20 to get my 500kc licence soon,nothing official yet,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 Graham
Verzonden: vrijdag 1 januari 2010 16:44
A= an:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Radio Caro= line now=20 on 531Kc/s

P,  Well  may be best&nbs= p; time =20 will be  round 2000 > 2200  Hrs ..for the  skip di= stance=20
 
Any  Dutch stations  on= 500 later=20   ?
 
73 - G .  
 
 
 
This  list is  scary = ; http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.= txt ....=20

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s

Yes Graham the German station is winning here= at times=20 but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes=20 on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low= power but=20 can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes&= nbsp;it a=20 bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fr= i, 1/1/10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF:= Radio=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = ; German=20 station playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..q= uite =20 regular flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the&nbs= p; same=20 freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury=20 in Essex.
 
Signa= l RS 57-9=20 here in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL= =20 petefmt






------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA8B0B.8BD98530-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b40f32b2ec; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:42:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CCC138005D8B; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWD7-0004y4-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWD7-0004xu-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWD4-0001nb-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:57 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.22] (helo=[10.218.42.13]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRWCu-000LAR-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:33:45 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:33:22 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <606162377.20100103193322@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QSO with RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40f15300de X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike and LF! G3XDV wrote 03.01.2010, 22:15 MSK(GMT+3h): MD> Just completed a two-way QRSS10 contact with RU6LA, QRB 2823km.=20 MD> Thanks, Ed, for your patience. This is our 2nd QSO - the first was in= =20 MD> 2005, also using QRSS10. Pic attached of part of Ed sending my call=20 MD> and report.. TNX for the QSO! But first was in Nov 9 2002 and second was in Jan 15 2005 :-) also in QRSS= 10 HNY ! I'm CQing now on 137.703 73! Ed RU6LA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-a18f4b55f5d345; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:11:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1EF138000141; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXIWJ-00024Q-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXIWJ-00024H-An for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXIWH-0007bA-Cr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:09:39 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7282160pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O8ThcFZzpwzxP3sQwQ7Y6JdH3bnTKvTMkcL1r38Jdwc=; b=pWbmM01HWulv4FfQ3008nJjWONL4qb+cYevzb7p5Tdfgl2uxLPAd3woDGgYwZ+PhvM Iag/qYD7jE4bo2A3vRReNwosz7YKZ47qRJ4pL0Ki84LiA4zheNa/1sBFr4xKyxeaBkxI emvubvYTdv+mM38oS2Tv5eQxt0Hn3Mtvljb50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XMhwek3/c+7vXWHml/Y9Tdv4vj3Sgmk7smxIUxn+xI0fy+hsZfSwtca6AjrWQQuxRa qTZV9DdHuQJ+4rFO+n2O9UqOsQzqvv9pVRqbpazA4lePJEVLmvp7P0LhlnEKqfYF3IsF XLzkUbIshiMYGtpZMotdNZgMS4WeR1+2Af6A0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr4167177wam.184.1263924569284; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001191009y49dcce7fr23fb61c0370d9576@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b55f5d1204a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Andrey, Surprisingly good give that XGJ was running low power! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:57 AM, rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, Henny, LF, > > ..And my modest results... > Captures at 23.30z and 01.50z > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB023-86444b49eb82d7; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B2F88380000AA; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzFi-00031E-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzFi-000315-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTzFg-0002Wm-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFAAx6SUtOlPII/2dsb2JhbACNUwbEA4QvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="429010710" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.242.8]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 14:58:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca9205$5db00930$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:58:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: MF/LF CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b49eb8028ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/MF GRP Tnx for all your recent emails, mostly direct in support of CW acty= on MF/LF bands. Mail from Russia, Eastern Europe countries and some= nearer, not so many from the UK !!!!!! As requested I will continue to work xband to give those not licensed= a chance to have a QSO, this will apply to both LF and MF. In spite of the WX at present I am QRV on both 137 and 500 K/cs daily,= antennas so far have not been affected by the snow or frost. Frequencies normally used by me are 137 for CW, 137.7 for QRS3 and 50= 2.6 CW and QRS3 if requested. plus/minus adjustments to avoid others. QSX frequencies are 7033 K/cs always monitored when I am active. plus= 3533 K/cs or any other freq if requested. As well as LF/MF all HF ban= ds from 1.8 - 30 M/cs available and VHF/UHF 144 and 432 M/cs. QSX procedure used, so pse BK when I call CQ this station is always AT= TENDED =20 73 and agn tnx all messages received and HNY De Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/MF GRP
Tnx for all your recent emails,  = ;mostly direct=20 in support of CW acty on MF/LF bands. Mail from Russia, Eastern Europe= countries=20 and some nearer, not so many from the UK !!!!!!
As requested I will continue to work= xband to give=20 those not licensed a chance to have a QSO, this will apply to both LF= and=20 MF.
In spite of the WX at present I am QR= V on both 137=20 and 500 K/cs daily, antennas so far have not been affected by the snow= or=20 frost.
Frequencies normally used by me= are 137=20 for CW, 137.7 for QRS3  and 502.6 CW and QRS3 if requested.= plus/minus=20 adjustments to avoid others.
QSX frequencies are 7033 K/cs al= ways monitored=20 when I am active. plus 3533 K/cs or any other freq if requested.= As well as=20 LF/MF all HF bands from 1.8 - 30 M/cs available and VHF= /UHF=20 144 and 432 M/cs.
QSX procedure used, so pse BK wh= en I call CQ=20 this station is always ATTENDED  
73 and agn tnx all messages received= and=20 HNY
De Mal/G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9205.5D63BDF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a514b5596aa2e6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:25:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA021-a514b5596aa2e6; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:25:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXCCO-0000xd-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXCCO-0000xU-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXCCM-0000xo-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:40 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWH003MHROJAX@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:17 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KSOFn7cNzaxDDIWnKDBluw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_KSOFn7cNzaxDDIWnKDBluw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg)" --Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Joe, nice capture and also audible, best 73s henny pa3cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_xnq87+BD6g9x7FnhpVegNg) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Joe,
nice capture and also audible,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm
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09:28:52 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0B9SdNB033374 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:28:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> From: "Albert" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather good= results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting, it wou= ld be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 repo= rted a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for a CW= QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Repo= rts received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/= 5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar,= 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the nig= ht of 10/11=20 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my cur= rent=20 setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42= WD2XSH/17=20 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough fo= r a =20 CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for thi= s mode.=20 Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and=20 WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01-11,= 03:20 UTC,=20 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best of bo= th=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA92A8.D7874D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74b53033d2d7; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:31:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3035C38000109; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUH9-0004WZ-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUH9-0004WQ-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWUH8-0006ek-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WcKu1d00417dt5G54cWXFw; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WcWV1d0092DDHkk3ZcWVdo; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:30:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:30:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b53033c7e79 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0 dial USB overnight tonight - wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR >I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but >with little European audience. > An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5eda793c0; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:05:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 877AA3800013D; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZk9R-0008Oi-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZk9R-0008OZ-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZk9P-0007yg-EX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkFAMhoXktOlhe6/2dsb2JhbACIJ9BtgiSCFQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,346,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="425983159" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.23.186]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2010 12:03:45 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002901ca9e7f$9c25f950$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <862755.8003.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5eda773494 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 No apologies needed for me Sam. So many times I think, 'I never did see an answer to that one.' So instead I will make it a plea to groups, don't use the 'underground network'. If I am not interested I can use the DEL key. 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: 26 January 2010 11:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Apologies, that should have been a direct reply to Mike. However, I'm sure it is of wider interest as the amateur spectrum tends to 'fold round'. The microwave bands (with EME) sit adjacent to the LF bands! 73 de Sam, G4DDK On 26 Jan 2010, at 10:22, "Mike Dennison" wrote: Can anyone on this group tell me whether Morse is still used for EME and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts, or does all activity now use purpose-designed digital modes? Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =========== No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2644 - Release Date: 01/26/10 07:46:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.220]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-86464b5c824d2ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9CE0D380001A9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6BD-0007Tp-HP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6BC-0007Tg-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6BA-0000r0-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:23:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlEIAP8QXEtZ8QP1/2dsb2JhbAAsh3zMEoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="281145407" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.3.245]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:22:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003301ca9d19$da767520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:22:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dc4b5c824b2e51 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan What loss ? Let me know when u want a QSO on cw 137. I have both LF and MF availab= le for immediate QSO'S also xband for a qso if u like 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Mal, LF, That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX le= vel or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and= others not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and have= the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP succes= s. That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea,= your ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it= is a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4= wave for 600m? Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic control (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally,= the braid length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i= could build a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv= there i use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more= signal but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of= the overall loss resistance and so on. Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/= or DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559= in >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5UFO, M0BMU...... 73s Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave= inv L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX= . RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W= . QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH ar= e underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear= what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? Wh= at about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you= gave me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is al= ways VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW= simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visib= le with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in= the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals= are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not gett= ing any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrot= e: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed= for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antis= ocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA= is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR ha= s more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandw= idth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N.= The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing me= ssage contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction ,= sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but= could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If= JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peop= le like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more= and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrot= e: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be= one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves= it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, be= ing heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of= those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the= WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know= to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwi= dths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I thi= nk I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF,= HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are= , as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKn= n without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and= seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use= on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to aba= ndon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder= routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A.= We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spa= cing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal= still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, th= e 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Sco= tland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sign= als - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there= be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms= will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to hea= lth, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to= JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I= have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5eec4b3e19ed41; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:51:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADEB438006199; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjfh-0000NV-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjfh-0000NM-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjfd-0001a7-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FDC970000AF for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 733FF70000B0 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.83.58]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 268EF70000AF for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100101154404158.268EF70000AF@mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:44:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b3e18946989 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable P, Well may be best time will be round 2000 > 2200 Hrs ..for the= skip distance=20 Any Dutch stations on 500 later ? 73 - G . =20 This list is scary http://www.myradiobase.de/mediumwave/mwoffset.tx= t ....=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earli= er RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so= I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can'= t find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit bor= ing. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequ= ency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same fr= eq ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Reveng= e at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
P,  Well  may be best = time =20 will be  round 2000 > 2200  Hrs ..for the  skip dist= ance=20
 
Any  Dutch stations  on 500= later  =20 ?
 
73 - G .  
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
=

Yes Graham the German station is winning here at= times but=20 earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening= comes on so=20 I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but= can't=20 find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it= a bit=20 boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 1/1= /10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Rad= io=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = German station=20 playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite = regular=20 flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the  same fr= eq=20 ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT=20
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in=20 Essex.
=  
Signal= RS 57-9 here=20 in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL=20 petefmt



<= BR>



------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA8AF9.3E869E60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a7a4b50e05d324; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA072-a7a4b50e05d324; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtre-0007Rx-FI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtre-0007Rm-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtrc-0003QV-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815E13B462 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:58 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> In-Reply-To: <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =C2=A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not > the mirror image how does that work.=20 Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich waveform that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b507702223; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A03A53800010F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmqC-0000Ek-BH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmqB-0000Ea-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:55 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmq1-0003IR-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:55 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so600746bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:07:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q7RshyS5k7y5COR6ysncunInboCVro5xY28Iz4DnpkY=; b=wTt6pWAbYov42uOm2SiOoGtEmztkZtnnlN0XvnQYBsAaBfNTROGm9SKCtNgWy4a6oT Pcn5dmnbgnqMm80kSL7bt9XlDUsNeBRYOnofcUdzx4WQz9SJKP1cjp47dNPkD6xyJkQ4 MtAxcxchiRcRPl+Ao8XaVK+L9M/Zg3xFfr01E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I8cN7nI8BsoLm3buTVHiNtZcVjMDtyaxT+tiUPaNqoSIMM3Y5ekhTMUbodIGttqKDK wQlvEGb6bXsYNPUOsS9HbvavhLKpjY98aLOa6M8Ccufk9XOH363jKXkIAEG0a0CGABpE yhu+/3uL74M2B0OdKWiTCwhr6eAwaZuRKFzsk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.206 with SMTP id i14mr1299286bkd.52.1263564449931; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:07:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:07:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255579ea30645b047d34869f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b5077002862 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255579ea30645b047d34869f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe > I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi All, > > Anyone come across these? > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > > I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255579ea30645b047d34869f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-)

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
=A0
Anyone come across these?
=A0
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
=A0
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
=A0
73,
Lee M0LMH.
=A0



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--0003255579ea30645b047d34869f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.215]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-a97c4b50ec4312d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:29:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DCBC38000135; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVueg-0000ZD-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVueg-0000Z3-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuec-0003zZ-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1031706bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k5ChJaIAOsFQuz1wtwXBcx/RzDo0ZDhOBxMFZgrlKuY=; b=Grvg9wA6De6PxYa6+2VGgkRjimyhxJxJYpc6k1p+91RRaoGRMXvLTWcHLBvRX2F/QU PO4anVzf3d8FLL3d4hrHEkUXmlG0bjsQ5A0I/rmFdUbDHpIeVnKh2C8yuQQMwltEQREe ijwWryv5TUiuzf6vp9BcNeizc7tpepyoVNDMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZHkDhsvQd4FciNZqNiDIm51SxMpXwd1ljEYD8noj/sJxuoWM84mUY6GIu7HQTQrZBp BItgT796Jg08f5PgCPk8UCiJRArSOwd6VCKDeWtqALZDLftf+jw4rfYpG7b/NdAlnBFD PiEIy4rBsaczg+BE6J9s1R+oMEetAQ6gzQ2nc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.203 with SMTP id a11mr1607535bka.50.1263594504227; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001151428m723a4625h511be205a883af43@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b50ec416ef9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lubos, These are my unique reports in the last hour. I'm being heard! Good luck tonight. TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGridPwrReporterRGridkmaz 2010-01-15 22:02 G3XBM 0.503904 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 GM4SLV IP90gg 896 354 2010-01-15 21:38 G3XBM 0.503924 -15 0 JO02dg 0.001 G7NKS IO92ub 46 240 2010-01-15 21:38 G3XBM 0.503902 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 F5WK JN18hp 436 157 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -27 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL-SWL JO52hp 701 83 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -19 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0BMU IO91vr 69 210 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503902 -21 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0LMH IO93gx 223 329 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503903 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 PA0A JO33de 417 73 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503899 -16 0 JO02dg 0.001 PA0AM JO11sh 248 114 2010-01-15 21:30 G3XBM 0.503915 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 OR7T JO20ix 337 113 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Victor, LF! > I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. > > 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 > 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? > > Lubos, OK2BVG > ------------------------------ > From: victor13@online.nl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 > Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test > > > Thanks for the report lubos, > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*Namens *Lubos OK2BVG > *Verzonden:* vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR_test > > Hello LF! > > 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 > 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > ------------------------------ > Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s > ten prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175884b6908b61047d3b85a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lubos,

These are my unique reports in the last hour. I'm= being heard! Good luck tonight.

= <= th>Reporter
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73s
= Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com<= /a>>
Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.
2150 -21 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503965=A0 0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154=A0=A0 8=A0= 1.5=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2200 -23=A0 0.3=A0=A0 0.503876=A0= 0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG
From: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test


Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
=A0
Victor
-----Oorspronkelij= k bericht-----
Van:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13=A0 0.4=A0=A0=20 0.503876=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4=A0=A0 0.503966=A0 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116=A0 10=A0 1.4=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7:= Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav= =FD?



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esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVlhB-0002Zc-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:54:35 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.6] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:54:25 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 12:54:25.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDE91260:01CA95E1] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_" Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices like pumps,= elevator motors, cranes etc. Very musical if listening on SSB and strong= enough. =20 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =20 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =20 Anyone come across these? =20 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =20 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =20 73, Lee M0LMH. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/=3D --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 
=
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SP= AM protection. Sign up now. =3D --_8c898c17-57a7-48af-bf2a-ae0295fe4c6d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b57802e177; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:14:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0EFAF38000229; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXing-0000p8-78 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXinf-0000oz-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXind-0001N6-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KMD5W9003693 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:05 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c16.7b120d57 (37106) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229232080.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.232.80]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB084-90f24b577fea1ca; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <5238746462E1480FBF3092BBC6D58D0D@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> <8CC67DCBC2BEFD8-FB8-DB36@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <20100120123757.B0FCC31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100120123757.B0FCC31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b57802b4997 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Rik, same here: With XP I used the mixer sliders to connect "wave out" to= "stereo mix" input, but there seems to be only very limited and uncom= fortable level control under Vista. Someone mentioned that the "Virtua= l Audio Cable" software can do the routing but I haven't tried it yet. Best regards, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Hello Markus, all, a bit off topic: with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output to the inpu= t and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr. Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection= between audio out and audio in the only way ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote: ... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced severa= l spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! =20 73, Markus, DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 Thema: LF: Twente receiver Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I= hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (s= trong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Rik,
 
same here: With XP I used= the mixer=20 sliders to connect "wave out" to "stereo mix" input, but there seems= to be only=20 very limited and uncomfortable level control under Vista. So= meone=20 mentioned that the "Virtual Audio Cable" software can do the routing= but I=20 haven't tried it yet.
 
Best regards,
 Markus
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Wednesday, January 20,= 2010 1:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes= DX
=
Hello Markus,= all,

a bit off=20 topic:
with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output= to the=20 input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr.
Is there= a way to=20 do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection between audio out= and audio=20 in the only way ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 12:42= =20 20/01/2010, you wrote:
... and=20 connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots= from=20 WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus,=20 DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walt= er und=20 Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010,=20 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to= All who=20 realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many st= ns on MF -=20 EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great= =20 job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9A26.1AC34500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b43c82a28e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C2A5F380000A6; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIbi-0005bm-Em for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIbh-0005bd-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:33 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSIbf-0003zq-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:14:33 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so7513953fxm.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:x-goomoji-body:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9wk/3Hen5AplUC8olNKYKXof0Cl7OOzmhpmzeWNgC+U=; b=CCGeKODPu7JaEd5ZLZYi2Knt5rH4DKBF52B13vREsfrBXbLcy04Z7A/CYxdPYtc32o l8Ml0h0iO7+qWL6zasKaT2OwBp90PSWLj7gsNycMN9nKfW23nmTUIf6Z9TpY4kd6g6Q+ 6WhdDS0IoSPkRpQTvNUBu1O3G/ekFl7xOXQe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:x-goomoji-body:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b9bRIuQIZKmvayqVfEzkIz7WEOF2sYCLVNM00F8c6kAMr3UElemWhUCdW10S70FP1G wfAY5epPYV+vysGwNj/qo/VxK7T5phhk6u1KiMA51eZh7GWkMW8M9vRVuoUPxrAFZq4N 7fY+xssZMfX+L61lS//zqazK+ehOmG8l4lBUc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.204 with SMTP id t12mr988367hba.142.1262733264647; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001485f7d87caf7604047c72ff6f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b43c828516c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --001485f7d87caf7604047c72ff6f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e --001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side... Just got home from work (4 hours on a coach to do 50 miles, then 9 miles walk back home coz everything is stationary) Found the LF antenna sagging under 10cm of snow. Bashed the bulk of the snow off, but the last bit clinging to the top Tee is detuning. At least the Class A MOSFET is designed to work into complete mismatches and can take the abuse. [?] Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions --001485f7d87caf7600047c72ff6e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side...
Just got home from work (4 hours on a coach to do 50 miles,=A0then 9= miles=A0walk back home=A0coz everything is stationary)
Found the LF antenna sagging under 10cm of snow.=A0=A0 Bashed the=A0= bulk of the snow off, but the last bit clinging to the top Tee is detunin= g.
=A0
At least the Class A=A0 MOSFET is designed to work into complete mism= atches and can take the abuse.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s
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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E820A380000A4; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWE-0001Mc-GF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWE-0001MT-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJWC-0005m3-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:14 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D3E4700004D for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:37:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 81A9470000B4 for ; 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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b4b1bc6453f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including conducting technical investigations.... The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an addition to it. To me, radio communication means passing messages. 73 David G4DMP -- +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b4a0645334; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19ADC38000083; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU12p-0003XB-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU12o-0003X1-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU12o-0007x8-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFAEKUSUtcGmSh/2dsb2JhbACNVAbFGYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="303142461" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.26.100.161]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 16:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca9215$70751410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:53:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b4a064410f0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on 500 his fi= rst PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ now cq on= 500. plus others. OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 de mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: LF: 137.7 Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. Two DL stns and one F stn active at present. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO so= lid both ways=20 and PA0LCE on 500 his first PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W
Plenty of CW act on both bands at pre= sent. PA0AM=20 and LA3EQ now cq on 500. plus others.
OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7
de mal/g3kev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 3:36=20 PM
Subject: LF: 137.7

Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3.
Two DL stns and one F stn active at= =20 present.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9215.6F903250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-86034b59424c2af; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4AB038000087; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYCl7-0000ug-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYCl6-0000uX-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:40 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYCl3-0003B1-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:40 +0000 Received: from COL122-W65 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:12:29 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:12:29 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2010 06:12:29.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[E05F5930:01CA9B29] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_" Subject: RE: LF: Further DX reports from OK land X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b59424a0aee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! YES, my computer decoded your QRPP signal last night. I am glad! It means, that= I am able to see your signal repeatedly. Our first successful test was not a go= od luck only. =20 73! =20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 **************************** Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Further DX reports from OK land Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again: 2010-01-21 21:32 G3XBM=20 0.503906 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001=20 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102=20 2010-01-21 20:50 G3XBM 0.503908 -28=20 1 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG=20 JN88ks 1232 102 Thanks again Lubos! 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= meta name=3D"ProgId" content=3D"Word.Document">

Hello Roger, LF!

YES, my computer decoded your QRPP signal last night. I am glad! It means, that= I am able to see your signal repeatedly. Our first successful test was not a go= od luck only.

 

73!

 

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

 

****************************



Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000
F= rom: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subjec= t: LF: Further DX reports from OK land

Lubos is listening again on= 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again:

 2010-01-21 21:32 =  0.503908 
 G3XBM   0.503906  -26  0  JO02d= g  0.001 <= /font>  OK2BVG  JN88ks  1232  102 
 2010-01-21 20:50  G3XBM  -28   1  JO02dg =  0.001  OK2BVG   JN88ks  1232  102 

Thank= s again Lubos!

73s
Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www.youtube.= com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
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Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAko= ly. Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_a10efb82-dab8-4b26-a2dc-a4b06526faf3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b3e4866231; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:09:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13E4938004401; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmkv-0001QE-Nx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmkv-0001Q5-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from mx7.mail.ru ([94.100.176.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQmkt-0005XK-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=42328 helo=EFREMOV) by mx7.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NQmkn-000N14-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:01:41 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B3E2FF8.20187.6DA323@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:01:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: XDV on 136.32kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b3e46ee378c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mike, LF, My grabber will not work some time - it is necessary to alter lengthening coil. HNY! 73 Andrey >I will beacon again overnight using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. The icy > and dry weather is very good for the antenna current which is 10% up > on normal, but it seems conditions were poor last night. > > I note that PA3CPM is still on 136.3182kHz. We were joined by OE5ODL > last night on 136.321kHz. > > Any DX listeners out there? Has anyone got a grabber on the Eu DX > window, apart from DF6NM and RN3AGC? > > Mike, G3XDV > ============ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD031-b974b4bafb87f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:09:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD091-b974b4bafb87f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:09:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTNW-0006kZ-22 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTNV-0006kQ-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:53 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUTNT-0004zF-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:53 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BN8ZjO001912 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:35 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c49.53c9a403 (43914) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC083-ab8a4b4baf6cbd; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:08:29 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:08:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Oh dear Mal! I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living in the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a legal or regulatory system. As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end in itself. You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance - I no longer have that excuse! On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did not > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g4gvw" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > > effective radiation. > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > > considered a "message"! > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > > listener under the regulations. > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > > addition to it. > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > -- > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b5833bf333; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:00:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5B9D38000134; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXukr-0004de-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXukr-0004dP-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXukp-0004dc-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:13 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWL001U0FUDBX@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:59:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:58:56 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 21-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1EP0lsT3XJRq/VKIMowo4Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b5833bd3511 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_1EP0lsT3XJRq/VKIMowo4Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RkzjZ11GqyxGyD/GN4IA4A)" --Boundary_(ID_RkzjZ11GqyxGyD/GN4IA4A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Joe,LF Nice capture and also audible, best 73s Henny pa3cpm. 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Hello Joe,LF
Nice capture and also audible,
best 73s
Henny pa3cpm.
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b=ALZLSNGKGueI9/om3fYH72nKyTuQ+UMtHq7/ms/nV78Ryz8IwiTX6fQN2YGHtMXt32 P3D1FuJNiZ5SzibDI5KaeXLtL+dsbo8xZhSkPauGpRDQ4zhGlgNMYrLzGnemmBAfj8kp E4wRiANtZz0qsnkFS+ZXbDo7IwiFRd2kFQrE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.26.2 with SMTP id d2mr1020815waj.14.1264080392239; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:26:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001210526n4c4e5d6di8ddd5067c11c96e0@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b58563f1f2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thank you for the report! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/19 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren, LF! > I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you used the lower power, > as you wrote to Andrey. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a6d4b4e47391f9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:21:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b4e47391f9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBZ0-0005Uq-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBZ0-0005Uh-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVBYz-0003qc-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:19:42 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3069C7B802A for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151CCF3863 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id EC91918056; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from 203.146-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (203.146-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.146.203]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 Message-ID: <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:19:25 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.146.203 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) All, 500kHz seems to be excellent again, VX9MRC is solid 559 here. Last nights WSPR: 2010-01-13 02:40 WD2XSH/10 0.503864 -22 0 EM95tg 2 SV8CS KM07js 8537 53 2010-01-13 01:00 WD2XSH/17 0.503892 -16 0 FN42pb 10 SV8CS KM07js 7421 59 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a6f4b50e8e155; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4b50e8e155; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:14:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuQn-0008Mw-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuQn-0008Mn-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuQl-0003p3-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 15571 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 22:14:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=ZsKl8jj8EWNcmQoMYVzaNu9Foj3R4qjtYO20+2cAptmQOL+5vE+S6z695GrbV/HNmkByGXeOpkV9l2wixXuhDIWBxNmcxwYnaQprdq+5S6h+G44iC6rLDlxqZa29QImYK3jGRvkBewVIqpfC93zV4QaBIlueee1Dp5emA59Zn4s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 22:14:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: zfOPvSYVM1lHouC2ghHclDlTUBHMSqmhe2FtTFIwP22hLqXEByGA1iGSoYz6uBOBNUyTWYCsxUyoqzq9losj55Qx2iCviH_a14_syKwGVyxZ7F0tyI0vOeatxzZoKe_LRxaF1uv32mmSOlHtdEppZpyJK6kmXs90Mw5v86oQm8ByZJb0rl5qq56uiHrU..fWn_WS1A.FbG4B3Q0lHLrVje2bN9AfO2M77SfxF8go X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzw DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5b04b4267a4340; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:12:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG031-5b04b4267a4340; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:11:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRv8U-0002Su-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRv8T-0002Sl-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRv8R-0005O2-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB79681B8 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <004901ca8d88$f417ce70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Andrey, I will transmit for another hour and go to bed then.The tx is to new= to leave it on all night unattended hi. 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:56 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Hello Victor, I observe 503100, there are no traces... The receiver will work up to the morning. 73 Andrey Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.124/2599 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 04/10 09:24:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB024-a1924b40ef5963; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A746D38000923; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRW11-0004jj-UP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRW11-0004ja-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRW10-0001in-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E85E40803C for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB14B0052 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48553495BB1 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 Message-ID: <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:21:20 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b40ee7275ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal, PA0A se= ems to have difficulties copying him. RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector members! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b42132dd8; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:11:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A469D38006DE7; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpV9-0008SC-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpV9-0008S3-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpV6-0003CN-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5DB4034F for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b42130e61e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF061-5ef64b59d945394; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 412DF3800012C; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYMp6-000291-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYMp6-00028s-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYMp3-0006GZ-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:28 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W19 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:57:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.42] From: Laurence KL1X To: , Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:57:18 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com>,<007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g>,,<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de>,,<20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2010 16:57:18.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4B62800:01CA9B83] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_" Subject: LF: WE 2 X PQ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b59d9430fc8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 WE2XPQ was testing overnight 137.7752 Khz DFCW + CW IDENT @12WPM and risin= g 0.1Hz or so "staircase" http://kl1x.com/staircase.jpg dot 60. Power was= just 1W into a short loaded vertical but sure was good to be getting some= RF running out for a change.=20 =20 I don=92t expect further transmissions or an increase in power for a "whil= e" as Im returning to work in OKlahoma :-( though I might sneak the trans= mitter in my bag and play with some part 15.. =20 Laurence WE2 X PQ Wasilla Palmer Alaska http://kl1x.com =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/=3D --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
WE2XPQ was testing overnight 137.7752 Khz DFCW + CW IDENT @12WPM and risin= g 0.1Hz or so "staircase" http://kl1x.com/staircase.jpg dot 60. Power was just 1W into a short loaded vert= ical but sure was good to be getting some RF running out for a change.
 
I don=92t expect further transmissions or= an increase in power for a "while" as Im returning to work in OKlahoma :-= (  though I might sneak the transmitter in my bag and play with some= part 15..
 
Laurence WE2 X PQ Wasilla Palmer Alaska
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Sign up now.= =3D --_c42e936a-fecd-4f14-8d76-35ff749d567d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4b64842e97; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5412B380000B1; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIgj-0003UW-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIgj-0003UN-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIgg-0002Z4-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:08:57 +0000 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20100130190845.EVAU8038.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:08:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id bv8k1d00L1p78xe05v8ljr; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:08:45 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=jMiB6A1_aHT_62d5v34A:9 a=6nl5VR9-kus7Y1qdDoMA:7 a=2lLzR_8S-FOOK4OCpYtUyVEMZCQA:4 Message-ID: <4B648439.8060907@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:10:49 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b64842d45b9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mike, I watched that range from 0100 to after your sunrise, and only saw a few hints of signal from Dave and you -- identifiable only by frequency, and not to be trusted! My neighborhood has gotten even noisier at night, but one can hope for miracles. John, W1TAG On 1/30/2010 12:56 PM, Mike Dennison wrote: > I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 > to 0900UTC. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-b5194b4f4eb4131; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41EDC3800004F; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT6L-0000uN-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT6L-0000uE-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT6H-0002Qc-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:17 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUtX1d0050QuhwU54V350p; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:05 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VV341d00W2DDHkk3NV34DC; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:03:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b4f4ea9290c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to work. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ____________ Jay, I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is N/S. I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. 73 Jim WD2XSH/35 K0HW ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b61f8fa2e7; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:52:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41C3238000098; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NabKU-0003vX-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NabKT-0003vO-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NabKQ-0002MW-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0SKp1Xt003744 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: RX-Loop Preamp with BF862 Thread-Index: AcqgLf4llbDn0No/QjCiWwOCCw3GBgAJZG3F References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.709;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.28.204233 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RX-Loop Preamp with BF862 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b61f8f80f2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, =20 Yesterday i have tested a new preamp for my RX Loop (44 turns, 85cm diamet= er, 3dB BW<1kHz) with the BF862 (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet= /philips/BF862_3.pdf ) that is very sensitive and especially designed for= AM car radios, so for short vertical antennas like we also use. Its equiv= alent noise at 100kHz is below 1nV/sqrtHz. =20 As you know i use a fiber optic cable to transmit the amplified signal to= the RX, to fully avoid coupling (galvanic, inductive or capacitive) of QR= M by the PC and all in the house to the antenna. The loop was mounted abt= 2m above ground, hung up on a tree, for testing. Since the fiber optic ca= ble does not affect the symmetry, there is no need for a symmetrical pream= p and no interaction with a coax. =20 The circuit is VERY simple and so i want to present it to you (professiona= l hand-made!), see picture. =20 Results were very promising. DCF39, the only signal that was available to= that short testing time was abt 80dB above noise (S9+10dB) and the backgr= ound noise @137,7 was now given by my RX, not by the antenna any more. =20 Length of the fibre optic cable was abt 20m (a fair distance to the house)= but i have also tried 30m without a relevant difference... =20 If it is interesting for you, i could create such a pretty drawing :-) of= the optic RX (also very simple) that transforms to LF again... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA05B.998F7E65 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgIUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAHgAAAExGOiBSWC1Mb29wIFByZWFt cCB3aXRoIEJGODYyAAYJAQWAAwAOAAAA2gcBABwAFQAzAAEABABLAQEggAMADgAAANoHAQAcABUA MwABAAQASwEBCYABACEAAAA4ODNCNTUyMTNDMkUwMjQ5QjAwNDkxRjc0OUMxNEVCMgD5BgEDkAYA 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Hello Mike.LF
 
I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey
 
73s  HNY to All
henny pa3cpm


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--Boundary_(ID_RaXZt3/I2ossObpp+O9UYg)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA103-b5424b64b90b381; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DC7263800013D; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMD4-0004so-8g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMD3-0004sf-J3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:33 +0000 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbMD0-000456-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:33 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=39477 helo=EFREMOV) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NbMCu-0002Xh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:19:55 +0100 Message-ID: <00bd01ca9c7a$308f47c0$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: References: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 62 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b5b76573a95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Walter Your signal on WSPR mode: 2108 -24 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2118 -24 1.1 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2124 -26 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2126 -25 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2134 -24 1.0 0.505089 0 DI2AG JN59 27 73! Marcin SQ2BXI Dear MF, DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=6BX6 as amplifier, xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state amplifier. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.11]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-86154b644d8d372; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:17:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25E9F38000102; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF3j-0002w1-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF3i-0002vs-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:26 +0000 Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.221.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF3g-0001P0-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:26 +0000 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so957277qyk.4 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OlEXHR2a2LGdM0KnxUzf3PVPRA9Or66cLOF3RolUfHA=; b=NBkl3UyaPikHvWn2pABmyyAeBFYsvKEhsxiB1CZucri2cMcspLc04Yk/2iTDxRtt7/ D6WGGaxyv5bT12+pvk/XJDvk0/jpCtbFGafSrSZscPj3LNWP61wC557GttG/9K3GF21u 2/G5Yk/1vap5DsP2lQUrX0/zXmyw+8A0VpPqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YIt+cpk3yXL1x6GJumBCzaRUQig1bQOMmCwjwDYkfHXmhX9Xo1l8bCfDtl1fusf517 Sjpwhpb8/2VTWZ3rIg9l1SPU4qyPbAFyS/3B/Ct9aNOLHsafkYNBz4tfJpNwkKDb1WiZ jD+I/Ww2QMQQ2JoBI1XUGBkVMhgFt6bhE9aVk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.34.223 with SMTP id m31mr974259qad.351.1264864576810; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001101caa19c$ea978890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B628BC8.5040701@mail.ru> <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> <001101caa19c$ea978890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001300716n108d5861q30f832605b1058b7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4b644d8c32b9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andrey, Thank you for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:10 AM, rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, Dmitry, LF, > >> Hi LF >> >> XGJ visible now in RA3 > > I confirm. > Capture 22.40-02.30 > >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b5c18fe227; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:55:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 354C03800011C; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYz9Z-0003H1-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYz9Y-0003Gs-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYz9W-0006LG-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:53:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwOAEunW0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYszBmEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="289405527" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 09:52:59 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: , Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJECT_NOVOWEL=0.131 Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b5c18fd3182 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50" ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All

 

I am running my= QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran= in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial fr= equency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will= run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non= qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.2= 2KHz

 

Modulation QRSS= 3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at= 50 Ohms

 

Total current= consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top= Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt=

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/= 10 19:33:00

------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CDB.0321FB50-- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ATT00010.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00010.txt" _______________________________________________ Knightsqrss mailing list Knightsqrss@cnts.be http://mail.cnts.be/mailman/listinfo/knightsqrss_cnts.be Knightsqrss clipboard http://www.on5ex.be ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CDB.0321FB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b48a27f1fa; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:36:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 617B038000084; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdLg-0007Qz-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdLg-0007Qq-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdLe-0007dO-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEAC8xSEtcHEyX/2dsb2JhbACNTwbHSYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,247,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="413585002" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.76.151]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jan 2010 15:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9141$5d5f2a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:35:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: wspr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b48a27c0ce5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3XBM u are strong enough at -21 db for a solid QRS3 QSO others are ev= en stronger, and ideal for a CW qso. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3XBM u are strong enough at -21 db= for a solid=20 QRS3 QSO others are even stronger, and ideal for a CW qso.
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9141.5CFFCC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9db4b541d9ee7; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:37:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME097-9db4b541d9ee7; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:36:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWn55-0007S2-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWn54-0007Rt-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWn52-0003i6-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWF00FIKP6SSX@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:03 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <53EB242A46AA4CBB9D593B73683874BC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 18-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fAHQrFXcZYnNbb4mJ7cYvA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_fAHQrFXcZYnNbb4mJ7cYvA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA)" --Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 18-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_dXsNXTpAjpH5NFDH52t4gA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren LF
capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b5a11a31d82 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sync = 21 That's more like it ! Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > Jim, LF, > > Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? > > Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. > Thanks for the 2 way. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 > 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO > 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 > 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 > 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 > 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR > 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 > 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT > 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 > 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK > 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 > 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT > 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 > > > ******************************************************************************* > > 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > > LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any >> decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I >> just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ >> calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > --001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sync =3D 21=A0=A0 That's more like it !
2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Jim, LF,

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ??

Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick.
Thanks for the 2 way.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.

202100 20 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
202300 15 =A0-14 -0.1 =A0-24 28 * =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202500 21 =A0 -6 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202700 21 =A0 -3 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0= OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202800 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0RRR =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
202900 21 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 27 * =A0 =A0 =A0 FB GARY 73 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203000 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A073 G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
203100 22 =A0 -2 =A00.0 =A0-24 30 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0FINALLY JIM SK =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
203300 13 =A0 -8 =A00.2 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203400 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TU DE G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
203500 21 =A0 -5 =A00.4 =A0-24 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0 HI HII =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0

*********************************************************************= **********

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

LF,=20

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcom= e any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last ni= ght. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operatio= n to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


--001485f450a85f0709047dc713f6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b4b54c9aa; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6605B380005C9; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044g-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUNJ9-00044X-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUNJ6-0002Up-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQGAGrjSktOlzqW/2dsb2JhbACIJocqyQmELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="283193970" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.151.58.150]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 16:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b4b54c42c63 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did not apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > effective radiation. > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > considered a "message"! > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > listener under the regulations. > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > addition to it. > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > 73 > > > > David G4DMP > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-b5274b585a6d43; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:45:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5DE07380000E3; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXxKW-0005X4-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXxKW-0005Wv-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXxKT-0005rr-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:12 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so118377fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ijrNRhhr599cOJUnZp0mdgrY/QLVjKCPWIuOEIfIC2s=; b=ghW4PhCmnOJBIZayGw54H58LhJ9WkRaGZ1f/1/Hlk7nff1jA+ZnVsfndwASykxqKc3 0OWkM0MUWUDCVHJEab+KFwpTXt3Y3Ul+Vkck0rIFVQwY8y7b/pPCSljZBwFoYWKIVqWf MbZwjfWxsyU8b2HnfvreX9JYxUljB/t14Q93s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=g23X0ir69g9NkpJo00mmeF/lZhAM+/bV/n17HnZ0gNKEQG3zN5bp7LtaVkX361PVp+ gqxlkReoa3RTBvlEwanytd5z1yTnZmxEmSjFpYoJXiQPcay/NATYHglWbzpvX1C9uyzq rJltmjhItpD1acaqmIo0ZSDMCMB7NzfJi3u+U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.167.83 with SMTP id f19mr162775hbe.34.1264081441082; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:44:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b585a6b280a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re ERPs. I think mine is mostly right-ish. The antenna is a 7m high Te= e with a large top-hat, so its effective height is pretty much the same. = At a wavelength of 600m, that gives a radiation resistance of around 0.2 ohms. Load resistance of the whole antenna system is close to 50 ohms (very convenient that !!) and with 100 Watts pumped into it means ERP coul= d be 0.4 Watts or 26dBm. But there's a lot of wet trees and bushes around the antenna now, and Its quite reasonable to expect half the signal to be lost in them. When the weather improves, I'll go off and have a go at measuring accurate field strengths, but have gut-feeling I'm wihin 3dB of the estimate. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn > Hi Rik, > > This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP > last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for las= t > night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements done some tim= e > ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective heig= ht > and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to= 2mW > but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite lar= ge > error margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes= the > 1mW ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements si= nce > Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. > > What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That will > also have some effect on the relative levels. > > BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman'= s > Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) > stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was > 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe > > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, >> >> the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot= af >> data is available. >> I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web >> site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least= 2 of >> the 3 calls in the same time slot: >> I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 >> hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. >> >> * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roge= r) >> 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of >> 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and= 200uW >> =3D 7dB) >> >> * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of= Andy) >> 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy >> would run "only" 30mW ERP ? >> But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as >> well ... >> >> * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of And= y) >> Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) >> >> All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: >> >> Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. >> >> Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my >> QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. >> >> 73 >> >> *Eddie* G3ZJO >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot >> *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM >> >> Congratulations, "water pistol" >> 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG >> Hello Roger, LF! >> This moment is just now: >> >> 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >> >> 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 >> >> Congratulation! >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> ------------------------------ >> Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED in= formace. >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: >> 01/19/10 17:49:00 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re ERPs.=A0=A0 I think mine is=A0mostly right-ish.=A0=A0 The antenna= is a 7m high Tee with a large top-hat, so its effective height is pretty= much the same.=A0=A0 At a wavelength of 600m, that gives a radiation resi= stance of around 0.2 ohms.=A0=A0 Load resistance of the whole antenna syst= em is close to 50 ohms (very convenient that !!) and with 100 Watts pumped= into it means ERP could be 0.4 Watts or 26dBm.=A0=A0 But there's a lo= t of wet trees and bushes around the antenna now, and Its quite reasonable= to expect half the signal to be lost in them.
=A0
When the weather improves, I'll go off and have a go at measuring= accurate field strengths, but have=A0 gut-feeling I'm wihin 3dB of th= e estimate.
2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Hi Rik,

This is most= interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP last night, so= it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night. My ERP= was based on (a) field strength measurements done some time ago by M0BMU= and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective height and antenna= current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim se= emed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large error mar= gins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW ERP= is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim&#= 39;s last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago.

What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That wi= ll also have some effect on the relative levels.

BTW, Dom Baines M1= KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Eng= ineering Handbook (1948)
stated the maximum working distance for 1=A0kW 500kHz over salt water was= 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then!

73s
Roger= G3XBM




2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site= is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days= ) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill= to check how often I copied=A0 at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time= slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 ho= p ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.
* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor= of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8d= B between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 20= 0uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average differenc= e =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB,= so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJ= O: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )
All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congrat= ulations Roger.
=A0
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX= a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
=A0
73
=A0
Eddie G3ZJO
=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf= Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= br>Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
=A0
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortabl= e margin too.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>= ;
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0= =A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0= .5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

L= ubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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=A0<= br>
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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f0acea434f8c047dace5ed-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-865b4b40deeebf; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:16:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D459380000BA; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUyg-0003RU-5L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUyf-0003RL-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:57 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUyd-0001CR-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:14:57 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGAK9tQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLDYIJwV6EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="267754070" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:14:45 +0000 Message-ID: <006101ca8ca0$9d2abc00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <926747.2377.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b40deed09f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sri to inform you but most were within the UK allocation however that= matters not are they legal or otherwise operating around the 500 khz= allocation. Looks like PA0A is legal after some mis information from others. I was the first stn in the UK/EU area to work PA0A, his first QSO and= a first PA/G qso Worked at midnight 1st Jan 2010. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi Mal and LF I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside= the 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fu= lly licenced station within their own respective territories. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote= : From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the= acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or ot= herwise? g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations= we've been warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no= one called him although there were several on the band. Not a good id= ea to give Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence= to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wro= te: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agen= cy has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 60= 0m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA.= For those able to understand Dutch language the most recent official= publication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to= have been adequately informed about the process. It is not even clear= if notifications to participate in the experiment by individual Radio= Amateurs have already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested partie= s via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded belo= w and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an= act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequenc= y band without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' ye= t to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued= by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indi= vual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experi= ments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the= future will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the= fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' fi= rst-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlan= tic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radi= o piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and compliment= ed him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tenden= cy to repeat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozenda= mateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen vo= or radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken ge= maakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onde= rzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband= in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgeste= ld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebr= acht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC).= De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap= Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de ver= enigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap= Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunnin= g voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateur= zaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het ex= periment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunnin= g zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het exp= eriment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij= in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment= .=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergun= ning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehono= reerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend,= maken wij dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good= signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA8CA0.9CDBFFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sri to inform you but most were withi= n the UK=20 allocation however that matters not are they legal or otherwise operat= ing around=20 the 500 khz allocation.
Looks like PA0A is legal after some= mis=20 information from others.
I was the first stn in the UK/EU= area to work=20 PA0A, his first QSO and a first PA/G qso
Worked at midnight 1st Jan 2010.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi Mal and LF
 
I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were ou= tside the=20 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure the= y=20 were all fully licenced station within their own= respective=20 territories.

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sun,= 3/1/10, mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

From:=20 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Subject:=20 Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 201= 0,=20 16:35

WHY so much fuss about this= station PA0A,=20 what about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS,= and=20 others. Are these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ---= --
Fr= om: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, Janua= ry 03, 2010=20 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal sta= tions=20 we've been warned about (see below). He was CQing la= st night=20 and no one called him although there were several on= the band.=20 Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not sure ho= w it would=20 affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= =20 petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders = <mis= an@xs4all.nl>=20 wrote:

F= rom:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re:= LF: PA0A=20 on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.n= l
Date:=20 Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13

To all LF,=
 
Please beware tha= t the official=20 Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published the iss= ue of=20 experimental licences for the 600m band tot= the Dutch=20 Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Du= tch=20 language the most recent official publication is= quoted=20 below. However not all their memebe= rs seem=20 to have been adequately informed ab= out the=20 process. It is not even clear=20 if notifications to participate in= the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have= =20 already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry= to inform all=20 LF interested parties via this reflector that= the=20 transmissions like the one recorded below&nbs= p;and and=20 therfore QSO's with PA stations may stil= l be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the&n= bsp;PA=20 stations, transmitting on an frequency band withou= t official=20 permission. It looks like it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit= official=20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities=20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual= Radio=20 Amateurs in writing about their participation= to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose= a starting=20 date somewhere in the future will=20 be in order, and not legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1= -2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs ha= ve a rich=20 history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the= 1920's=20 with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from= PA. The=20 Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio= piracy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and= =20 complimented him on his innovative achie= vement.=20 History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Bes= t=20 73's,
 
Michael Sanders,= =20 PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar to= egang tot 500=20 KHz voor radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het= =20 overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozend= amateurs=20 VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gem= aakt over=20 de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zu= llen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden= in deze=20 frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden= die voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De= =20 resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de=20 nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012= (NVC). De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen= bij=20 Agentschap Telecom.

Om het=20 onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de vereniging= en een=20 collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agents= chap=20 Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog= overleg=20 met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoo= rwaarden=20 voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn=20 inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA=20 besproken. 

Als=20 vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zi= jn de=20 verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het=20 experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateu= rs=20 informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele=20 deelname aan dit experiment. 
<= BR>Individuele=20 aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de= 500 kHz=20 zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden=20 gehonoreerd .

Zod= ra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit=20 bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

= =20

 
----- Original= Message -----=20
From:=20 = Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Fri= day, January=20 01, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject:= Re: LF: PA0A=20 on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must= be the=20 two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: UA9CS Thread-Index: AcqgjHQBjK49zEWZS5qwrUhYm6UW8AAS3dt3 References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <294710097.1264732537.160446436.49340@mcgi35.rambler.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.710;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.29.112127 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: AW: LF: UA9CS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0D8.D339A578" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b62cb1b343b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0D8.D339A578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roman,=20 =20 Tnx very much for your reply. Well, the distance to me is abt 3400km and= i am optimistic to reach that in DFCW3 or DFCW10, if necessary. Please,= can you ask him, if he is interested in a sked? I will try to get his sig= nal with my loop antenna but QRSS120 is difficult, since i am sitting in= my car on a hill, not at home on the TV with a glass of wine ;-) Could yo= u ask him if he wants to try to receive my signal? I wrote a mail to him= but got no answer. Perhaps the mail was lost in a spam filter? A sked can= only be relatively spontanous, since there must be wind for my kite anten= na... But if i could stay in email contact with him, it should be possible= . =20 mni tnx, Roman! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roman RW3ADB Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 03:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: UA9CS Hi Stefan, LF! UA9CS op.Igor from Ekaterinburg city over the Ural mountains, asiatic russia. We always know him here hi is a very famous op in SAT and in LF too. His signal "S" into mode 90-120-240 are visible so often in Moscow on the RN3AGC grabber. I copy his trace at once, but my rx condition more poor then Andrey's RN3AGC. I can re-send your message to Igor, he can't read RSGB I think. DFCW-3 impossible for your distance I think, his signal are not so strong in Moscow into mode 120/240. Start to SWL him, he is active every day by a beacon. Check his activity by the russian grabbers in Izhevsk, Asbest and Moscow. His signal visible 100% every day in Izhevsk and Asbest grabbers if that grabbers still working. 73! Roman * Stefan Sch=E4fer [Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:18:47 +0100]: > Dear LF, > > Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO > with him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and > already asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an > interesting LF web site and seems to be well qrv. 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<4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:30:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b5f6d677bfa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrey,=20 you're quite good here in Nuernberg, currently about 0.5 uV/m.=20 Good luck, Markus=20 (DF6NM in JN59NK) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rn3agc=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. 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Andrey,
 
you're quite good here in Nuernberg,= currently=20 about 0.5 uV/m.
 
Good luck,
Ma= rkus
 
(DF6NM in JN59NK)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rn3agc=
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 20= 10 7:34=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC

Hello LF,
Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90.
Start= at 21z.=20 Will work all night.
Reports are welcome!

73=20 Andrey

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA9EDF.8FE89340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.19]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b40d8d7263; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B66138001EA2; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUSY-0003BM-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUSX-0003BD-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Received: from web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUSX-0005Bp-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 24626 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 17:41:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262540500; bh=pY95P+6+iV5Q00z9s9zGjK+Vzy4TGSlfHTC2P9qYSsE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FV0XocuOxOVeeXAc2XGTM1BD+cUPcT/N3NlViZ9V9jUMINqXaFkz8n0sgvm1n3Z6guRru17/8PPy3dd95dFQ3qa9wHnWRxlmK48+0HvfqgGfA9NlA5OYMPi+4m/ODYBbm2qjJVPPd9iQOTukvuCejBqFNpXQaNRyo5zUxvir1GM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3texTuw7O9UfGomuRbfsoP0IxNfmQ7USaHe2jqZgZSWXLiLnH1vdqyhlMnJS7Yoc+HJQ7pWCH5Vs9ipp4I0SB38tWeiApnf3Vlw6zWT4O54x/wjGcebDjU2b1aYTHHkiTRKs83nDgoiXc7+RcViZsdxy8b82gupIGZZZWV2y3NM=; Message-ID: <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BkhOHE0VM1k2q4p6QbXWPjq1WNl_O6dI8CLi0eylzoxzcgXTFMUBKDc5Xu3G6w.wZNyxIuJICRkhgE8XRJCPpunfw7FMuJ7L7kDIjfaNKs566PWPGtwbjB4Av0d2RojBC6MiqV706ZD4ckw9iLwZeiJ_d0J94_6rDDPpRtoojtNEeUPW17MsPx41lKMode72.NJFC5ZXfLDUkrmDj4qYFJ_SAEnmuW4NLfYfTA0wQarmy1n7AgMs4hvNbQ2Nw2RQ1UjgH_rXu3rWjidW9qAB2w0- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:41:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:41:39 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b40d71440f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Rik =A0 May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing= SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2222= devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has prop= osed. =A0 Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe= whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted ....= but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? =A0 Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load diggi= modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh th= ats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists. =A0 73 HNY petefmt From: Rik Strobbe Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16 Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept= simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones= 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal=A0 cont= rolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driving the= mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low power asp= ect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use the readi= ly available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no brain sur= gery required. >=20 > 73 es GL petefmt >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >=20 > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >=20 > There is a way... >=20 > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. >=20 > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating= teh WSPR > message and the PIC code >=20 > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. >=20 > Perhaps there's a demand here... >=20 > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 >: >> Roger >>=20 >> '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' >>=20 >> That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf >> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 convent= ional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good >> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0 drive train , vfo=A0= controlled >> or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. >> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... >>=20 >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >>=20 >> Some suggestions: >>=20 >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of roo= m >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >>=20 >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>=20 >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 > >>>=20 >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0 =A0 ISWL G11088 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Rik
 
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x= 2n2222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM= has proposed.
 
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
 
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down loa= d diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW .......= . oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot.....  slapped wrists.
 
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven= .be>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January,= 2010, 17:16

Pete,

There is no need for linear amplificat= ion with WSPR, so things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kH= z WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz= and then divide by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and= pretty straightforward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be= to hard.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>:

>= Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal  co= ntrolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification  driving= the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the  Low po= wer aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.  Then use= the readily available Software that can be down loaded for  free....= no brain surgery required.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> ---= On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>= From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January,= 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way...
>
> If you ca= n arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the
> four WSP= R tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
> This= could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the
> other, giving a 2-bit D/A= converter, controlling a varicap on the
> oscillator.
>
&= gt; Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive.
> See =   www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP   for details of generat= ing teh WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The design= in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
> with som= e trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
> standalon= e manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there's a demand here.= ..
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC
>= ; http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog could be= written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
> port and PIC= based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
&= gt;
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
> This email has been= scanned for damaging side-effects by the health
> and safety police= , is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to
> health, but= may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions
>
>= ;
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham  <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.= uk>>:
>> Roger
>>
>> '''  More= people should use WSPR - '''
>>
>> That's not as = easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audi= o to  rf
>> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fin= e  if you have a  conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that= works down to  500/137 ...No good
>> if you  have divi= ding logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo  controlled
&g= t;> or PIC based without the  'ability'  to  run a wspr&= nbsp; generating  code set ..
>> Its a  good  poin= t worth making though ...
>>
>> G..
>> From:= Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
&= gt;> To:  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<h= ttp://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>> Mal,
= >>
>> Some suggestions:
>>
>> More people should use WSPR -= lots of stations (more than 100 at a time
>> based on 10MHz usag= e) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
>> of= the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station
>>= performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty of ro= om
>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversat= ional modes.
>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to= use it (not UK), is of
>> interest to me as a listener, but I ag= ree that it's not a good idea to use
>> this mode when the band= is open for really long-distance DX if interference
>> to weak= signals is likely.
>> You should try a New Year resolution: "I= will be more tolerant and moan
>> less".
>>
>>= ; 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
>>
>&g= t; Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 201= 0/1/2 mal hamilton  <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.mai= l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net>>
>>&= gt;
>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading= over 3 kcs wide and
>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is cau= sing QRM to those of us trying to
>>> listen and work the East= Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>>> station is= licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
>>> Th= e 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.
>>> Does anyo= ne else have an opinion?
>>> G3KEV
>>>
>>= ;
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------------= ----------------
>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk<http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/= >
>> G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11= 088
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
&= gt;




=20 --0-2123876121-1262540499=:24469-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5fa4b596be231f; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:12:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4b596be231f; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:12:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYFXe-0001Jd-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYFXe-0001JU-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYFXb-0003MF-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD3F51C01E for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4953C31E702 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:28 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:10:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100122091028.4953C31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ERP<>EMRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_92078544==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_92078544==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, Stefan, the theoretical values are: isotropic antenna: 0dBi / -2.15dBd (directivity =3D 1) half wave dipole: 2.15dBi / 0dBd (directivity =3D 1.64) short dipole: 1.76dBi / -0.39dBd (directivity =3D 1.5) quarter wave vertical monopole: 5.16dBi / 3dBd (directivity 3.28) short vertical monopole: 4.77dBi / 2.64dBd (directivity 3) This values assume free space for the dipoles and=20 a perfect (conductive) ground plane for the=20 monopoles. And no losses (greenery, buildings). For a certain area in north-east England these values are +/- 100dB For calculating the (theoretical) EIRP one need=20 to take the dBi values or the directivity For calculating the (theoretical) ERP one need to=20 take the dBd values or divide the directivity by=20 1.64 (there comes Stefan's 1.83 =3D 3/1.64) For calculating the (theoretical) EMRP the=20 reference is a short monopole, one need to take=20 the dBi-4.77 or dBd-2.62 values or divide the directivity by 3. So EIRP gives the "best" values, that's why=20 manufacturers of inferior antennas often give dBi=20 values on their prospects but mention just dB ;-) An easy way to add a good 2dB to the gain. 73, Rik ON7YD At 09:32 22/01/2010, you wrote: >Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the equati= on. >I^2.R is the actual power radiated. >Which direction it then goes is a different issue. > >Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ? >A very short dipole has 1.5 times=20 >directivity. Therefore a short monopole over=20 >perfect ground ought to have 3 times. Neither of which is 1.83 > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > >This email has been scanned for damaging=20 >side-effects by the health and safety police, is=20 >guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to=20 >health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > >2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 ><schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de> >Hi Andy, > >Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? > >73, Stefan > >________________________________ > >Von:=20 >owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20 >im Auftrag von Andy Talbot >Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? > > >So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact=20 >figure derived from basic electromag theory) and=20 >Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficie= ncy. > >Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. > >Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is=20 >the effective height of the antenna used to get=20 >Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever=20 >lead to 6dB error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top= hat > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > > --=====================_92078544==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, Stefan,

the theoretical values are:
isotropic antenna: 0dBi / -2.15dBd (directivity =3D 1)
half wave dipole: 2.15dBi / 0dBd (directivity =3D 1.64)
short dipole: 1.76dBi / -0.39dBd (directivity =3D 1.5)
quarter wave vertical monopole: 5.16dBi / 3dBd (directivity 3.28)
short vertical monopole: 4.77dBi / 2.64dBd (directivity 3)
This values assume free space for the dipoles and a perfect (conductive) ground plane for the monopoles. And no losses (greenery, buildings).
For a certain area in north-east England these values are +/- 100dB

For calculating the (theoretical) EIRP one need to take the dBi values or the directivity
For calculating the (theoretical) ERP one need to take the dBd values or divide the directivity by 1.64 (there comes Stefan's 1.83 =3D 3/1.64)
For calculating the (theoretical) EMRP the reference is a short monopole, one need to take the dBi-4.77 or dBd-2.62 values or divide the directivity by 3.

So EIRP gives the "best" values, that's why manufacturers of inferior antennas often give dBi values on their prospects but mention just dB ;-)
An easy way to add a good 2dB to the gain.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 09:32 22/01/2010, you wrote:
Well, yes it is I suppose= if you lump antenna directivity into the equation. 
I^2.R is the actual power radiated.
Which direction it then goes is a different issue.
 
Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ?
A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity.  Therefore a short monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times.  Neither of which is 1.83

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer < schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
Hi Andy,

Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna?

73, Stefan

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot
Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please?


So go on:  argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficiency.

Or  ERP =3D   I^2 . Rrad   where I is measurable.

Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB error.  The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat

Andy
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--=====================_92078544==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI042-eac34b50ad1c225; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:59:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8A776380001B1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqRv-00032G-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:59:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqRv-000320-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:59:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqRu-0001Hx-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b50ad1a1feb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Nor here, seems to be a local thing 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Moritz : > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-8e24b4c5c833a2; 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Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:26:08 +0000 Message-ID: <004001ca937a$0143e380$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:25:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Andy, Johan The Class E AM guys do this. The amplifier below will do 500 watts at carrier and 150%+ modulation effortlessly. http://www.classeradio.org/class_e_8_fet.pdf Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan H. Bodin" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:56 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m > Hi Andy, > > I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as > expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it > shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical > design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. > Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the > matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. > The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having > half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). > > Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > Andy Talbot wrote: >> All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) >> I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. >> >> Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the >> latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel >> - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power /per-se/. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b633e1e3d3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:59:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A9B3380000C9; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nawyh-00084U-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nawyg-00084L-SP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:02 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nawyd-0003Uh-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:58:02 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43164 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NawyX-000JEc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:57:53 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005d01caa11d$55a87f70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:57:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b633e1a7128 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Stefan, Idea excellent! But to make it is unreal. I do not have possibility to do any changes in the aerial. If suddenly with the aerial something happens also it will break, I will make the new aerial a double wire. And fortunately, the aerial becomes covered by ice infrequently. By the way, the ice layer this time was absolutely small. There were cases that the wire became covered by ice till the thickness of 12 mm :) Thanks! 73 Andrey Hi Andrey, Perhaps it is an idea to use 2 wires in parallel as the antenna wire. If you connect the two wires together at the end, you have the possibility to fed a DC current to the wire to melt the ice. A few Volt and a few Ampere should be enough, so not much power waste. It could be fed by a standard AC-decoupling network or can be injected during the TX breaks of your beacon by a relay (or it can be done by hand from time to time ;-) ). So you could avoid the crash of your wire... What do you think? ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von rn3agc Gesendet: Do 28.01.2010 16:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce > power. > Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. > Power 5 W. > Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. > > Thanks! > > > 73 Andrey > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-8bf84b4ceb16353; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1EAA38000113; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoNR-0001sD-Eb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoNR-0001s4-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUoNO-0003Nm-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 97452 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 21:34:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Importance:X-MimeOLE; b=UqJNIWpCFg3lKP2ydqezkggNQHKAbAKgiCLT3G4jaxDPPZ5heNZwgjQjwvznGcwHX1OhAyq0ZTcIAYVpWsNKPknVwta3eFijzhDufLD+cbtC7TZH51TPy8IOjEuVaz6ug8HHR9DOYWGaDQ8+psoKKF7touUeDLmhxGRJ0GWSFCg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.121.201 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 21:34:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: ExKD7wMVM1ldEuJQ8KrY5jY3b33MTzAk7DZ4Pzj8fdsvknpHp8UieHmeBdUi..p9_l8qF_fbjF6opl1TgTp0VYcLl2tDcKNtmbfJlaOoKfx3Imbtx67Eutr_TlfG.qs6VbMcbLCR2VeFU.yDM6dWUJzXSqLJDgNQMLXAe1uJ.PsTV9XoXSDtK_WZQa5Xx60gOnpIXEdh3C4OF7NF9E.F80HinkWyes6qNPtrlyL60fTHIBPC7A7A53IaJHVUAj8O X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA93CF.02435180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b4ceb143c56 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA93CF.02435180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. 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To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:49:00 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqfmlAGT2VFQAU0QayGedsdGkxuJAAADkjc Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop>,<1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b60b5374a69 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, you are good copy here (-18dB). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal syn= c but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn > Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is= addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you= are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not= read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is= not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the te= xt to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short pe= riod say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so= in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim,
 
you are good copy here= (-18dB).
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
 
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Jim,

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a= signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up.=

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net">james.cowburn@virgin.net>= ;

Hi Gary

 

Just got two= decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replie= d with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best reg= ards=

 <= /p>

Jim

 <= font color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial">Dr. James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue" lang=3D"DE"><= /p>

 

The information transmitted is inten= ded only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidenti= al and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read th= is message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email= is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT<= br> Sent: 27 January 2010 21:0= 3
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500= kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy fo= r answering Rik's query.

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call= so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a= report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce= the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200= mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO= 83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.=

But the signal is clearly audible, CW= would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A= produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 jan= uari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4= A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial freq= uency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 


--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32CICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b5cc3ee18e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A11DA38000089; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAYZ-0002Db-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAYZ-0002DS-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml110.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAYX-00037C-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML110.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: From: "henny van elst" To: References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <004801ca9d1c$343a6dd0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:03:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 22:03:40.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F8C360:01CA9D41] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Re: YO 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b5cc3ec149c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Andrey, henny cpm 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: "rn3agc" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: YO 24-01.jpg > Henny, > > "PW" at the top - UA3PW > > > 73 Andrey > >> Hi LF, >> Capture ra3yo >> henny pa3cpm >> best 73s > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2641 - Release Date: 01/23/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5bb4b60ae8f1f0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:23:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG042-5bb4b60ae8f1f0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:22:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFKJ-0005EZ-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFKJ-0005EQ-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFKG-0006oq-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:27 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4092492pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rd7eX6+yoeFz9BOzWyGvJnqYmE/4WTalObHU63OdgrA=; b=UxScjH2IyYkQLNrEoSDCFQCBqhQj+jRxJTCpDBmN2TJ73iHnlSo6N/OLbnt4y7QTyl ihZKC7trRsAQDlK48SQ/R/1neLvWEgsSzh5W0QSzwkKo1+ikVpmcd1VInXQnMyWn0fYD 6WrB2a37lfhSrUfIT9eGprS/EAQxb90LR23eQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ORPSROx2Gr9kpWgVqM4ax40/Je8EQlYDHCRnbKQ1/SqevKxD+gVUznDtpifYk1R0rP 9r5c5W5QRxJkoOMxkiqJH1I8T/lf//zPwMsmzJvcjDyjdh/7wvuXfIA4ilCiKu7qvw4v l/zreTjbGxanwvdPTVQPUc2ZWOPWIf9iefqVU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.35 with SMTP id g35mr6507906rvb.7.1264627276979; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:21:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:16 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 103d754684c23f79 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271321m4bad2046r36f11fe9e3bd8c62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard, Thank you for your report, I have just changed the message to a beacon typ= e instead of CQ as there were no replies on air. I will continue to welcome reports. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Beckmann, Gerhard > Hello Gary, > > > > =85.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM! > > > > 210200 8 -21 1.1 -11 29 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *Im Auftrag von *Gary - G4WGT > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 20:33 > *An:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Betreff:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > > > LF, > > > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB= . > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gerhard,

Thank you for your report, I have just chan= ged the message to a beacon type instead of CQ as there were no replies on= air.

I will continue to welcome reports.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


2010/1/27 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de&= gt;

Hello Gary,

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= =85.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM!

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2= 10200=A0 8=A0 -21=A0 1.1=A0 -11 29 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 CQ G4WGT IO83=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0= =A0 0

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v= y 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI (JN59LN)

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Von:<= /span> ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org= ] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4W= GT
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Jan= uar 2010 20:33
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

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LF,

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Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial fre= quency 502.300 kHz USB.

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73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


--000e0cd242a09e1dc7047e2bfb71-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b5ba4de2a2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:39:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19ECC380000B3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYrQe-0001UP-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYrQe-0001UG-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYrQb-000788-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkHAL8zW0tZ8cDw/2dsb2JhbAAth3zMXYQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,332,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="437559374" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.192.240]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 01:38:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b5ba4dd1997 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave= inv L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX= . RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W= . QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH ar= e underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear= what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? Wh= at about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you= gave me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is al= ways VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW= simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visib= le with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in= the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals= are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not gett= ing any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrot= e: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed= for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antis= ocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA= is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR ha= s more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandw= idth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N.= The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing me= ssage contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction ,= sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but= could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If= JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peop= le like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more= and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrot= e: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be= one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves= it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, be= ing heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of= those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the= WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know= to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwi= dths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I thi= nk I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF,= HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are= , as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKn= n without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and= seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use= on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to aba= ndon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder= routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A.= We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spa= cing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal= still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, th= e 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Sco= tland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sign= als - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there= be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms= will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to hea= lth, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to= JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I= have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b44e0b9206; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:12:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9068A38000115; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbIV-0007tU-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbIV-0007tL-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSbIT-0006rE-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:11:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIEAFRvREtOlvoh/2dsb2JhbACNRQbFUYQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="410012708" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.250.33]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 19:11:51 +0000 Message-ID: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:11:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b44e0b72cf1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST= on 500 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ= then test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. Has anyone worked him yet ? Active now at 1710z G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Am I the only station in EU hearing= this beacon now=20 sending 12TH TEST on 500
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 06,= 2010 5:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS<= /DIV>

New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil&nbs= p;El Haj Is,=20  near Yemen I think,  CQ then test.Good signal=20 here 569 taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
 &nb= sp;
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA8F04.18A18480-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9ad4b438a3f3d8; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:51:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME041-9ad4b438a3f3d8; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:51:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSEUB-0004Z8-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSEUB-0004Yz-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSEUA-0007hm-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:50:31 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A79A4080CB for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354D64B004B for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2448B495BD3 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 Message-ID: <1262717424.4b4389f0204bd@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:50:24 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: PA0AM (439) and OZ8NJ (599) in QSO on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20100105 1840UTC: Receiving PA0AM and OZ8NJ in QSO on 502.5kHz. PA0AM is 319 to 439 and OZ8N= J is a big 599 signal. RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins ANT: Resonated inv-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-8bf94b5b0410249; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9EDE3800007A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgin-0005Vh-BY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgim-0005VY-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgik-0003Xk-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B5D7B802A for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5620731E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 15E4818056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5b040e645c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the =20 current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the =20 tophat works well and the effective height will be more or less the =20 physical height. The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 =20 A a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently), =20 probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > All, > > Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =20 > classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =20 > antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =20 > about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I =20 > assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna =20 > current is 0.12A. > > My results are as follows: > > Assumed effective height 5m ERP =3D 1.53mW > Assumed effective height 4m ERP =3D 0.98mW > Assumed effective height 3m ERP =3D 0.55mW > > So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad =20 > estimate, and it may indeed be lower than this figure. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b5a2f1a363; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E0D138000141; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSXb-0004Su-Gf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSXb-0004Sl-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYSXZ-0001Q3-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:03:47 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jan 2010 23:03:39 -0000 Received: from p5DD357F1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.87.241] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 00:03:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19D1Zk6ZlFDgV2H5MOzsrx48+mNvpoq4+hdP+KxZg 2vLMN1+yfzzKTC Message-ID: <000e01ca9bb7$22321b30$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <004101ca9b7f$679af1c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:03:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55000000000000004 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b5a2f1852f2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, WE2XGR/6 should correct his indicated frequency. Under http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/activity it is "0.510667 MHz" but actually it is 0.511500 MHz according to most spotters especially= those who are known for consistently precise frequency readouts like e.g. M0BMU. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR > Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR tonight and tomorr= ow night on 510 kHz dial=20 > USB. We > appreciate the continued monitoring by a number of station during ev= enings this week. At QSB=20 > peaks > the signals have been quite strong at distances of 3000+ miles sugge= sting even much more=20 > distant > receptions are possible. We're hoping additional stations will have= a chance to monitor this > weekend. > > All reports, no matter the distance, are always appreciated. They ca= n be sent direct or=20 > entered > automatically as 'spots' in the WSPR.net database. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.730 / Virendatenbank: 271.1.1/2636 - Ausgabedatum: 01/21/= 10 08:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-85f54b5b2989170; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F09CD3800019D; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjDn-0006Wx-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjDm-0006Wo-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:26 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjDj-0006hr-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:26 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1773162bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cxCvmKG84AxCwXEFzOUc6DtPUphZhK3He8uXLkbEhLQ=; b=gSI8V5TI1c7ijIhtXV2gZluO2cUHn2jMsWZoFHPLu5ZC4aKg8PAdJXQYGF25Xluav4 /uum1td0d44v+bgLReFFs8NczU5rGyTB/o+gBDssO+/DSu1ao03VmQfRAf9zj2sV+vAu ZpMMwM340HC+8IkhCwjL9j9dkKj9cFPDrpAmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hubEB8HPCKKqV67IkXd4yrt+b4q8gGid3DpLYHeIUFJ3SAukQVdSBk0AKBHNE33yBu V8nXI/EMX/XJOF/iBfC8qj+wD5nFqa2updZBc+OrMEbaSxtUgW4QpqJv8WL9aYZi1UKR W3Khl24n4WP78qH7xFCRJm0J77w/IbDZmOae0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.79 with SMTP id u15mr2505340bkf.117.1264265536730; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:52:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:52:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5b29862b2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: > After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for > 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial > (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a > low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... > > To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put > the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more > to offer anyway. > > Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth > change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The > coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference > should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message > contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync > and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > >> Thanks for this help Andy. >> >> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>> get it going is in there. >>> >>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>> >>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >>> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>> >>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >>> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>> >>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >>> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >>> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>> >>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >>> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >>> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >>> be lost for the duration? >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>> >>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>> >>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>> >>>> 73s >>>> Roger G3XBM >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not ge= tting any decodes yet.

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--0003255543f63801dd047dd7c24b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.130]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b524c2312b; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:30:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 331BF380000BB; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWI5F-00061e-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWI5F-00061V-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWI5D-0005D6-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:29:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0GNTSn9011994 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:29 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:28 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:29:28 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: next /p acty Thread-Index: AcqW7bo7NUtWKioHT/2kD6FQRKeUiwAFN0N1 References: <1263674804.5160.15.camel@gerhard-desktop> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.681;16.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.16.231817 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9703.BF28FC0C" Subject: LF: next /p acty X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b524c223fdb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9703.BF28FC0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group,=20 =20 There was poor wind the last days but tomorrow in the afternoon (starting= abt 16 UTC) it could be enough and so i will try to be QRV /p in JN49IS= again. 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Nothing seen so far. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA073-a8e4b50ae402b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:05:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA096-a8e4b50ae402b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:04:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqWe-0003Ph-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqWe-0003PW-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqWd-0001P5-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:04:00 +0000 Received: from mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.85]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0842C2D7D for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DE107C9C for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-075-021-117.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.75.21.117]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BB4E32C2E05 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:03:52 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-03.arcor-online.net BB4E32C2E05 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1263578633; bh=YYN2MQNZB2RZfVxoSMG/Xrx5exKJHgeL4F25DFKhdT8=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ptpRCooj1EejLtSFTsf9f+gP2MjJh/q3KtacGGIkufx23/yMvDk0rPeKQPZjllBPb RGdnhAf8QVGdV6yPaa9ml0KzNeUAhLhwFSbBhGJL7aa36kpCWuhvwDiXN/K+8J/859 UzvKHA1t8qg/QsfKT+GdxWlaeUax3dTta06DlBec= Message-ID: <9038BFA7619D408AA72BB2168826BAB2@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:03:46 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: g3xdv qso Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA960D.154C1790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : arcor.de DKIM : fail X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA960D.154C1790 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike, LF nice signal in jo51tq, tnx for the nice qso, HNY. 73 Ed DL2HRE ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA960D.154E6180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mike, LF
 
nice signal in jo51tq, tnx for the ni= ce qso,=20 HNY.
 
73 Ed DL2HRE
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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger When the wx improves I was thinking of putting up an inv V dipole for= 500 at between 100 and 120 ft is my max height. This would have a lot= more gain than my inv L at the same height. The down side would be mo= re high angle radiation because of the low height relative to waveleng= th. It would be good for local working but not the DX, too many hops, how= ever it might be worth trying. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Mal (et al) Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom thi= s is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up= a corner of a garden.=20 For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el= beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX= CZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V= design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
When the wx improves I was thinking= of putting up=20 an inv V dipole for 500 at between 100 and 120 ft is my max height. Th= is would=20 have a lot more gain than my inv L at the same height. The down side= would be=20 more high angle radiation because of the low height relative to= =20 wavelength.
It would be good for local working bu= t not the DX,=20  too many hops, however it might be worth trying.
 mal/g3kev
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 4:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500=

Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher= than our=20 local church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA= there will=20 be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long ant= enna would=20 only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas,= see also=20 the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated= http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA.=20 Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
= Roger=20 G3XBM


2010/1/14 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole=20 on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA953A.16057A60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b65fade1c4; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:49:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA67338000086; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhdr-0000hu-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhdq-0000hl-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:38 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f190.google.com ([209.85.222.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbhdn-0002TG-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:38 +0000 Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so3368201pzk.4 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QWE37F65EZqDYzs2ODSAGwPYw295bNxxyLv7a3VIf8c=; b=C89BHPfE/SE6Badpc01cwvfXjfoU1V8BQZwdlhdISjtqrx1CTrsguVIWVitHdRpp5g CdrtflWPlmLivBmipSn6ZrFYnq/QqhsKaszvL0s1fmQGJh1MjO6yof3MQIa/n9Eo4dRo OLNh/EpFTzo12KeLZ5WYj/xroQDV4zS9Vgkb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Kue1vtZB6iSrhov2dFfqXP0XvYeTdyDkRHVRd6F4Obpus+tJ8xISrzyFEa95HHNIIG YH1dzEFgdNd8NuMu8Nq5GWVJpzVfwECR8pUUkDJNWMXoeKASMBoR10g7+1C5UkYCdnAo 8CzIy608Gl2wOmBDKMbcUmtpm7X9wine3tCcQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr2564268rvi.58.1264974447682; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:47:27 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33f8aacfee8e6f53 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b65fadc508f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus had grea= t success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not so. Thank you for your report & comments. I will be closing down about 2200utc. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz wrot= e: > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: > > > > {10}Test transmission from G4WGT > > Locator IO83qo > > Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts > > ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW > > > Mode and station control by SpecLab > > Test de G4WGT > > > > To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the cen= ter > frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as the= RX > frequency. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" > To: "LF Group (RSGB)" > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM > Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > > > LF, >> >> I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. >> The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. >> > > > --000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim,

Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bi= t of juggling. Marcus had great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn&= #39;t say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would= easily get 100% but not so.

Thank you for your report & comments.
I will be closing down about 2200utc.

Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.
On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
After post= ing that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty= cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial (certai= nly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more importantly, as my PA is a low= efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WS= PR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a band= width change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in= S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth= difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 Th= e differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the same= algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this= help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500= kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged time= s or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really= weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with= initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked= on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the hel= p files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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On 31= January 2010 20:48, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>= wrote:
Dear Gary, LF Group,

This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc:



{10}Test transmission from G4WGT

Locator IO83qo

Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts

ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW


Mode and station control by SpecLab

Test de G4WGT



To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the cente= r frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as the= RX frequency.



Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk><= br> To: "LF Group (RSGB)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08


LF,

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.



--000e0cd1170a9aa3de047e7cd016-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA061-b5284b4f961717; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A1D75380000AD; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXqo-0003Jr-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXqo-0003Ji-6o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXql-0008MH-Vq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:07:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 23698 invoked by uid 507); 14 Jan 2010 23:07:07 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 23:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <201001142307210931.0963EDD2@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:07:21 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b4f9614738d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I once worked out that Grande Gr=E8ve Bay between Great Sark and Little Sa= rk could have accommodated a 3 element beam for topband, pointing NW. =20 73 John F5VLF sometime GC3PAI/A *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 14/01/2010 at 16:35 Roger Lapthorn wrote: >Mal (et al) > >Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) > >Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is >indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corne= r >of a garden. > >For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam >antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJV= A. >Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? > >Best 73s >Roger G3XBM > > >2010/1/14 mal hamilton > >> Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design= , >at >> a modest height around 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> > > > >--=20 > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-85e54b654509243; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 593AA3800010A; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVXI-0007Y0-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVXI-0007Xr-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVXG-0005Xg-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX3005ZGSM4EY@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:51:40 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:51:37 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0A6DFF5EF8924A7B89C2B0D25308D247@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 31-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+jI3h9moolJOp9dxFfCUZA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b65450754fa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_+jI3h9moolJOp9dxFfCUZA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xIh0dSMaWb50t6edNkWlDA)" --Boundary_(ID_xIh0dSMaWb50t6edNkWlDA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Capture VX9MRC 507.77Khz. 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Hi Joe,LF
Capture VX9MRC 507.77Khz.
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b5a1f8a0d03 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, The JT4A transmission from M0BMU is now QRT - thanks for the reports. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-5eab4b5042b21cb; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A1993800005F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjMG-0006cw-Uh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjMG-0006cn-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVjMD-0001NS-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:48 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so206667pwj.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:24:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bvKa/cKevRow9y59JwkQ6fV3YoQ9FHj2qfj0B0I/ebs=; b=i7LyjPHkymvZrrv0UtwdRH0+U464rxC3w+/2EdulT/ngIwLkq1HILDEYJKb8KkGkPl 2MJomrHUY27Uwqtpbxv3KtJsuZQvptzdHsOtTdrHdwod/+tnkM9dDwokJgH1LWgSyrE8 roKEEayMfxZCw8IrRHIWb8BHbMpobjB0pG2Cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=eTPHWiyTknJouBy5viyuSLnpIWJDgZ3a3Zwh8bB6CoTHGvrcLm8+W4xss/ul1lFAQP AF4Gx2OMddQWmLhEPz+BFQ/STQDbLc4OxppLSF+8kTVveJ5IN0M26bCbKDZf4KgdDUxm 4R3/hLEyOLupTKUvGveDO77XcPsGfQHTUSelA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.107.14 with SMTP id j14mr1583474rvm.271.1263551076796; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:24:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 647837d1d456123b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b5042b100ab X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roman, LF, I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum line that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a repeated 1 minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken into 1 minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box for clearer display. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > Hi Gary, LF! > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. > Is't real to be an NDB ID. > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. > > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]: > >> Hi All at LF, >> >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. >> >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios >> using >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a >> > couple > > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? > That signal is absent today on the grabber. > > of >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet >> > it > >> was >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. >> >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the >> signal >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had >> disappeared as well. >> >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound >> > card > >> is >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> > Hi Tracey, >> > >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following >> > UNID > >> :- >> > >> > >> >> 498.7< > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > > > >> > *NT* 0 UNID >> >> XUU > >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID >> when/if >> > it gets strong enough. >> > >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner >> > >> > Hello Gary >> >> >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there >> are a >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> >> >> Tracey >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at >> about >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At >> > times > >> there >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which >> looks >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB >> on that >> >> frequency. >> >> >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz >> either >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the >> > HF > >> side of >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be >> >> interested. >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi LF! >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roman, LF,

I realise I have resolved the issue of the= "signal" but the spectrum line that appeared at the bottom of= the display looked like it was a repeated 1 minute segment. It was in fac= t a continuous signal which was broken into 1 minute lengths by the time= label at the bottom which is in a black box for clearer display.

73,=A0Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
Hi Gary, LF!
TNX to all for the details and participation in identification.
I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute.
Is't real to be an NDB ID.
Some time he was like a carrier on the screen.

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]:
Hi All at LF,

Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz.

The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" ra= dios
using
my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a
couple

Do you tried to rx today or yesterday?
That signal is absent today on the grabber.

of
NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet=
it
was
there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber.

My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the signal
not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had=
disappeared as well.

You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound
card
is
an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

> Hi Tracey,
>
> Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following=
UNID
:-
>
>

498.7<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=3Dsignal_list&fil= ter_khz_1=3D498.7&filter_khz_2=3D498.7&limit=3D-1>
> *NT* =A0 0 =A0 UNID

XUU<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/= ?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_itu=3DXUU>
> =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28
> Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID
when/if
> it gets strong enough.
>
> 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>
>
> =A0Hello Gary
>>
>> Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
>>
>> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
>>
>> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that= there
are a
>> good number of unid NDBs in that area.
>>
>> Tracey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8
>>
>> Hi Roman, LF,
>>
>> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.
>>
>> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at
about
>> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning.= At
times
there
>> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whi= ch
looks
>> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an= NDB
on that
>> frequency.
>>
>> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a= few kHz
either
>> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the=
HF
side of
>> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be=
>> interested.
>>
>> 73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi LF!
>>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8= kHz?
>>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt5= 00-4.jpg
>>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/cap= t500-4.1.jpg
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roman RW3ADB.
>>>
>>>
>>
>




--
Roman RW3ADB.


--000e0cd139fe168b0e047d3169dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-b52a4b60aa50c6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:04:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C7494380001BA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF2t-0004sS-39 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF2s-0004sI-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:26 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF2p-0006Zf-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:26 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so9788243pxi.30 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:03:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=O+U/iWSXQZ3Rs/Sdvxx3lxNAlQHeg8SjWDB8JGdBL4w=; b=kHYHWdV9JKhWWRJQ00RRxyDTP8FQS8vu5yNNbL1r3l36DWLxCota+pikxWEUId4c1Z MssjQkDgWetMebnt3fkKs4hwd7uHPWpAUs/6wiev9A9GZNINwa9ZU1vc3lrb01IZxxu4 fj9nSBMq0x7w7UdpLrHRHCZEpOE2V7fnsEQuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BXkDXyVStTAkeq17fXp44GbqqmHR6FarX8G9f15xF/sCjsvAvN2bcxJhTI4YtH/uQj 1JOZmKRwI5M6tbdutSZyHmdLHGoRM0ffOoLRzxh9WPVZ/EvsX/dYjcsrA8jQbkDUW70g BPVxQnI9sOcfx7X7aZLn9VE+TYUuEcvqXzVow= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.23.17 with SMTP id a17mr23856rvj.157.1264626195795; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:03:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:15 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 807d37cfe9b1fa4b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b60aa4c0354 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > > Gary, >> >> solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. >> But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. >> Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ >> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 >> *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group >> *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A >> >> LF, >> >> Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo >> > > --000e0cd1a5882c9189047e2bbb9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, & Andy,

Thanks for your report & comments= & Andy for answering Rik's query.

Well= there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text= to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield.=

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the= power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW= ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to= 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT= - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@goog= lemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually gu= aranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>

Gary,<= /font>
=A0
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
<= /div>

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b4a582819f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan, You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3KEV will already be writing his response in support of you email, HI. However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propagatio= n experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not have been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacitors rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military tracking station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then, with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and thi= n copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, essentially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have learned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN. So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is a great and pleasurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WSPR, and indee= d many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have their place on the ham bands of today. 73s and a happy New Year to you. Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Dear LF, > > WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it= is > the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw > in wspr, congrats! > > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with > even much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is= so > good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal > meaning of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software tha= t > does record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done= by > you due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station= and > the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it= done > by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the sa= me > in than in CW? > > If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and= WSPR > accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to > get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look > if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer... > > Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contac= t? > Really? > > If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still doi= ng > QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appears to som= e of > us. > > For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice > since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be > catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or > at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same time= and > want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything else is > just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not increa= se > any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated when the > next, of course better, version comes out... > > In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to > the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c45807a7657047cd72379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan,

You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3= KEV will already be writing his response in support of you email, HI.
<= br>However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propaga= tion experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not= have been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacit= ors rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military trackin= g station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then,= with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter= made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and th= in copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, esse= ntially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have lear= ned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN.

So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is= a great and pleasurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WS= PR, and indeed many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have the= ir place on the ham bands of today.

73s and a happy New Year to you.

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de&= gt;
Dear LF,

WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it is= the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw in wspr, congrats!

What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with ev= en much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a QSO to VK will be possible?

I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal mean= ing of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software that does= record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done by you= due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station and= the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it do= ne by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the= same in than in CW?

If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and WSP= R accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer...

Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contact?= Really?

If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still= doing QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appe= ars to some of us.

For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice= since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same= time and want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything= else is just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not= increase any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated= when the next, of course better, version comes out...

In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring.

Stefan/DK7FC






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--0015174c45807a7657047cd72379-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD102-86384b3f803d120; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:19:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 003D0380000E4; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7cw-0004ry-J9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7cw-0004rp-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7cs-00079W-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:18:58 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.41] (helo=[10.228.80.182]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NR7cf-000If6-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:18:44 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:15:37 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1478826918.20100102161537@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV in s10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------11C6FA24B59226" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b3f803c252f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------------11C6FA24B59226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF enthusiast! This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo Signal is not so bad in daylight 73! 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X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Message-Boundary-16672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Ed, Thanks for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your transmission. Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the report. I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most evenings. Mike, G3XDV ========== > > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo > Signal is not so bad in daylight > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru --Message-Boundary-16672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: RU6LA at G3XDV20100102.jpg Date: 2 Jan 2010, 17:35 Size: 6596 bytes. 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FDvdtkUrq0ZxbPD5mDXH1UONOQnIYCr26trYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.140.197 with SMTP id y5mr157209hby.105.1262541304616; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <145732.24469.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:55:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dd4b40dac1108c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phase shift network at audio *need* consist of no more than a pair of CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks does a better job. Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz by phase shifting teh audio, then followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse. * http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf* It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q outputs from the soundcard. May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, only to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of course) Andy 2010/1/3 M0FMT > OK Rik > > May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing > SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x 2n2222 > devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has > proposed. > > Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe > whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted .... > but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? > > Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down load diggi > modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh thats > not PC on this reflector forgot..... slapped wrists. > > 73 HNY petefmt > > > > ** > > > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16 > > > Pete, > > There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept > simple. > Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones > 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. > As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward), so > writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting M0FMT > >: > > > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal > controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving the > mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power aspect > so no QRO linears required if you play the game. Then use the readily > available Software that can be down loaded for free.... no brain surgery > required. > > > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot > > wrote: > > > > From: Andy Talbot > > > > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 > > > > There is a way... > > > > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > > oscillator. > > > > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > > See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR > > message and the PIC code > > > > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > > standalone manually trigerred mode. > > > > Perhaps there's a demand here... > > > > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > > port and PIC based dongle... > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > > > > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > > > > > > 2010/1/3 Graham > >: > >> Roger > >> > >> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' > >> > >> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf > >> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional > >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No > good > >> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo > controlled > >> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code > set .. > >> Its a good point worth making though ... > >> > >> G.. > >> From: Roger Lapthorn > >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >> Mal, > >> > >> Some suggestions: > >> > >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice > >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > >> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to > use > >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference > >> to weak signals is likely. > >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > >> less". > >> > >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > >> > >> Roger G3XBM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > > > >>> > >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide > and > >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to > >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a > >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. > >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. > >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? > >>> G3KEV > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phas= e shift network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of= CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks=A0does a=A0better jo= b.
=A0
Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz=A0by phase shifting= teh audio, then=A0followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse.=A0 http://= www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q ou= tputs from the soundcard.
=A0
May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean= you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output,= only to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output,= of course)

Andy
2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
OK Rik
=A0
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2= 222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has= proposed.
=A0
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
=A0
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load= diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ....= .... oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists.
=A0
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;=20

Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "= rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20


Pete,

There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so= things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is= to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide= by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.

73,= Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@y= ahoo.co.uk>:

> Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal= =A0 controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driv= ing the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low po= wer aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use th= e readily available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no br= ain surgery required.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
>
> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jn= t@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way.= ..
>
> If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pul= led onto the
> four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by= two logic lines.
> This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the<= br>> other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the<= br>> oscillator.
>
> Then a PIC keyer can generate the log= ic level drive.
> See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating teh= WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The design in ther= e uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
> with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
&= gt; standalone manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there'= ;s a demand here...
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enou= gh in a PC
> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog coul= d be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
> port and= PIC based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>= ;
> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the he= alth
> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to
> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar= regions
>
>
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk= >>:
>> Roger
>>
>> '''=A0 More people sho= uld use WSPR - '''
>>
>> That's not as= =A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner audio to=A0 rf>> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0= conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137= ...No good
>> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0= drive train , vfo=A0 controlled
>> or PIC based without the=A0= 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating=A0 code set ..
>> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ...
>>
&g= t;> G..
>> From: Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, Ja= nuary 02, 2010 10:20 PM
>> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<http:= //uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>> Mal,
>> >> Some suggestions:
>>
>> More people should us= e WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time
>> based on 10= MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
>> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station<= br>>> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plen= ty of room
>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.
>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK)= , is of
>> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it'= s not a good idea to use
>> this mode when the band is open for= really long-distance DX if interference
>> to weak signals is likely.
>> You should try a New Year= resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
>> less"= .
>>
>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflect= or
>>
>> Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>> >>
>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.= mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net>>
>>>
>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs= spreading over 3 kcs wide and
>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6= BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to
>>> listen and wor= k the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocat= ion.
>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.>>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>>> G3KEV
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------= ------------------------------------------------------
>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blo= gspot.com/
>> http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk<h= ttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk/>
>> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0= =A0 ISWL G11088
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



=

--001485f6299af9d780047c464dc8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b5cad1030f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:26:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 584ED38000087; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ92F-0000tK-65 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ92E-0000tB-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ92C-0002Ca-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 82474 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 20:26:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cDh5aiEDWoRV2I1zWZEAnVrPMrlEM5d5hI1PbFW2nKtnRdzDxozxAAPzMbjBvfTtFq9EeiQ9lYUtHC6ptyh+6vMg+YBgSMANy8Z6fHVDjQX0JwuG8vKFMp8qpwby8ptZiMyhap9ZaDM40WMzSUr2v4QV9+6VC8SPp/mVbfGI7lk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 20:26:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: wlLkY.MVM1mWvIibGKZGIvauSoIMpVbPRykKUopMPpoe99UJVHV0GgzXDVEKpX5u8xh8NtaJEv9mD6lDfKXwFKF6efWwsL6kPhdMSQuaZCxRjgRiaawSMIbOIgJY.xqE1YBiFANaiZMmS8s4PpLLrTW0BJIuNA3GEYXSpHh3X0ZoG8JitdsQD94JbkSef9RIni.dwDpMIDcWv4ZwMHi99KWjXDSYN9.r0Mj3eJ25M1nMbDu0cHy.bSo2uB0rx2z5_5Zye5di4_MgNiSK X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:26:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01CA9D33.73CE18E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5cad0e3f69 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CA9D33.73CE18E0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Graham, LF Group, Well, here's a bit of a picture - will see what else emerges! 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with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME062-9be4b3e2af21a; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:03:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQktU-0000vB-M9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQktU-0000v2-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQktS-00023t-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:02:32 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4658546fxm.4 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=YgBEPVuLjN4pM1z+KS8ZcoH58vYoE4puznOxfr1ZT0U=; b=lBheshMbcrxG/jxhJzhf6yhneJAVcZ7qv6AGAUm0+W7s1BPkg6DAw/OmZpXkYFYMsd 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tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d238.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I've made some minor tweaks to tthe WSPR transmission on the beacon signal: 1) Frequency moved up to 503875.0Hz after a request from DK land to avoid QRM over there. Sri, forgotton who asked for the QSY! 2) Power increased by 6dB to maximum it can put out. The value in the WSPR message of 23dBm hasn't changed, but is now nearer the truth of what it actually is. (First few transmissions had an error and showed 3dBm, corrected now). 3) Duty cycle lowered to seven slots each hour - approx 23% To compensate for the power increase and my leccy bill :-( Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-9234b4a3ee9ad; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD093-9234b4a3ee9ad; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:56:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4oj-0005L1-Nz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4oi-0005Kd-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:20 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU4od-00010t-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:55:20 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Jan 2010 20:55:02 -0000 Received: from p5DD347CD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.71.205] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 21:55:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SL3ABPVuS/5yfKRjg5PlTUBKif9PDCW3520YkF+ 7k2wZAwRsb9d0Y Message-ID: <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:54:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5,0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km. -:) Anyway, new distance record for you! 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:00 G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:32 G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:40 G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: 01/09/10 08:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg,=
 
I'm afraid one of us two wi= ll have to=20 move his qth or antenna by 10km. -:)
Anyway, new distance record for you!<= /FONT>
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 2010-01-09 00:02   G3XBM   0.503897   -23   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 00:54   G3XBM   0.503893   -25   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:00   G3XBM   0.503896   -22   1   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:10   G3XBM   0.503893   -18   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:16   G3XBM   0.503895   -23   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:32   G3XBM   0.503894   -24   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 01:52   G3XBM   0.503889   -22   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 02:12   G3XBM   0.503887   -25   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 02:40   G3XBM   0.503894   -20   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111 
 2010-01-09 03:08   G3XBM   0.503888   -22   0   JO02dg   0.001   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   990   111
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 12:54=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR over= night

My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overn= ight.=20 Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so woul= d welcome=20 "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the= WSPR band=20 around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
R= oger=20 G3XBM

http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
h= ttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM

G3XBM=20    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


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------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA923F.8799F7D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA081-b5304b63f32d15d; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:51:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 70DF538000115; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb91l-0001Yx-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb91l-0001Yo-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb91i-0007kU-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:01 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX1004XAXV3D6@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:48 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <8B245F3A4C5743C9A9CFBEA053DF3569@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 30-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_drXH2/iFNb10fw9LnBBweA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b63f32b05af X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_drXH2/iFNb10fw9LnBBweA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg)" --Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello,Warren,LF Nice capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm Best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 30-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_mwr+5HeiBlvocLDGX5vVUg) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello,Warren,LF
Nice capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
Best 73s
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hamilton" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:27:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b4df4a80179 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes a single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less when > the tank circuit is resonant. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: "rsgb" > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM > Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx > > > Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characteristics > like in class E > mal/g3kev > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-a97b4b649cb93c9; 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Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:17:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BCF8380002A1; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGB4-0006q3-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGB3-0006pu-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGB0-0007eT-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:57 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jan 2010 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from p5DD358AD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.88.173] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 23:15:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RYBxOTmAR1LW2jBIrDhrK4Bz1FLiyBntDQyd5ly YsckZraDOdJxGq Message-ID: <043401ca9f9e$4719e910$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:15:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46000000000000002,0.46000000000000002 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b60bb5d7910 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the other point that Paul (or was it Clemens?) made is that the 't= rick' for magic SNR reports in WSPR is just to narrow the BW below 100Hz. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit. Narr= owing the Rx bandwidth=20 right down to 7Hz won't make any difference to decoding ability provid= ed there is no AGC pumping=20 from out of (WSPR band) signals. (But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energ= y in the two outside=20 ones). Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/27 Clemens Paul This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list= members. I have made the same observations. Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz result= s in an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've foun= d out that the *real* SNR is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signa= l which was just below the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW= either. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results= in a 1.46Hz noise=20 bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. = Its most likely based on=20 the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noi= se which upsets the=20 frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth and safety police, is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contr= ibute to dissolving the=20 nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio)= . If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I al= so get a significant=20 increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR= needed to get a positive=20 decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org] namens Andy=20 Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a just a case of=20 being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de= +37 5.012 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub= +20 0.100 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv= +23 0.200 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de= +37 5.012 F6CNI=20 JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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But the other point that Paul (or was= it Clemens?)=20 made is that the 'trick' for
magic SNR reports in WSPR is just to= narrow the BW=20 below 100Hz.
 
73
Clemens
D= L4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 10:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Rep= orts

Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit.&n= bsp; =20 Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any differen= ce to=20 decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR= band)=20 signals.   
 
(But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone= energy in=20 the two outside ones).
2010/1/27 Clemens Paul <= cpaul@gmx.net>
This phenomen,or rather bug,has= been reported=20 here by several list members.
I have made the same observations= .
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250H= z to something=20 below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of= up to around=20 15dB!
I've done some tests with a frien= d 20km away on=20 10m and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other= words an=20 extreme weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz= BW coudn't be=20 decoded with 20Hz BW either.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ&nb= sp;
----- Original Message -----
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, January= 27, 2010=20 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR= =20 Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and res= ults in a=20 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and= reports=20 upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is=20 interesting.   Its most likely based on the fact that= typical=20 signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets= the=20 frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaran= teed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe &= lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
An= dy,
 
maybe the "ma= gic" lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from= a 2.5kHz (SSB)=20 filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increa= se in SNR=20 values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it ha= rdly affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises=20 by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7Y= D -=20 OR7T
Van: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden:=20 woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction syst= em, or is=20 it a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0430_01CA9FA6.A7060EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5c94b5c25a7ec; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:49:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG056-5c94b5c25a7ec; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:49:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ010-0004kG-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ00z-0004k7-N9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:21 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ00x-0006sh-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 19274 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 10:48:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=pV+c01QN6wG/NXWLrtl2QF1NVFWZnCp+Nvo5duiZZPEFC7hPfO4iB7i7aGIlPsnHlQ6Krg16sSPkGq+HC27qQAb22Hn7r0/zoCwJzg/Xs7WCb+dwTYYHAs4/ywiGdcJ4TD9AscIYlKWnfJNlSguNSfhDVsJvnIurF+3b+sviG2k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.8.40 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:48:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: aL2VOW4VM1lsKGNEoSQ617xxilPadNU5EfvVgXb0MX.rrEST7HOuijPWQcy.kDElXxFHHOjsr34j3j1FgBHASbdr19HMLCW.cKdIVM9dJmfIYtHeUmlBm8vXoVIl0NRUoj3_LM1UkgX6nR1aJpGZ9HYjAOCy61BYiffkMUi.B8oZRfQqJA7sckhvCNUmfWmO4Pje1c43zOS2ut0RUuP6ymOypVNtizilOFHOc9F5qbKOHIusHD0lCtgBigodOYWNFh.K4d6rYZ.xGScYqqvnuFP21.TMpQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370" ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CA9CE2.C6FDE370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think= =20 the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna= here is a=20 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 wi= th a 24 Hz=20 IF bandwidth
 
By the=20 way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of=20 both modes!
 
(With=20 QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier=20 between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency= CW, dots=20 and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and th= e carrier=20 drops between letters.)
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: FW:=20 [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi=20 All

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I am ru= nning my QRPp=20 MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receivin= g the=20 QRSS3. :-

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Using= Spectran in -=20 Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings an= d dial on=20 the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the= Spectran=20 Waterfall.

Spectra= n will run at=20 the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the= evil Data=20 and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

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Frequen= cy=20 503.22KHz

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Modulat= ion QRSS3 FSK,=20 mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5=20 Morse

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Power= 500mW at 50=20 Ohms

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Total= current=20 consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

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Antenna= 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

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ERP >= ;1mWatt=20

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Eddie=20 G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2= 639 -=20 Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00

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Jan 2010 22:24:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5782ea7995 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luck wi= th the dripping tap. Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English beer for certain :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 g3zjo > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie** G3ZJO* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255537167dcb27047da00da1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luc= k with the dripping tap.

Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shal= l buy you a pint of best English beer for certain :-))

73s
Roger= G3XBM

2010/1/20 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
=

Yeh ! Congra= tulations Roger.

=A0

Lubos you ha= ve the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

=A0

73

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

=A0

Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

=A0

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BV= G <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

=A0

No virus found in= this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.= com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00




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--0003255537167dcb27047da00da1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-8b974b5d75c0123; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:43:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66005380000B2; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMOP-0004Ak-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMOP-0004Ab-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMON-00070f-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:42:01 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWS00LTDTPPRX@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:41:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:41:46 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> <7058406e0f760b568d29f756c8036bdc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b5d75bd3c01 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Roelof, best 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: LF: 509khz > Hello Henny, > > Z on 509 kHz is the upper sideband of NDB Zilnia from Slovakia. > The carrier is at 508 kHz. > > BL is the lower sideband of a UNID with the carrier at 510 kHz. > Location probably northern Africa. > > I hope this helps. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b4a6d6d15d; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:14:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75432380000A8; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7uZ-0007QH-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7uZ-0007Q8-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU7uX-00022d-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NU7uX-0002Yk-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:33 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NU7uW-0004pO-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <65D879D3D0CA40A9AC1A997B24A3B68C@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <372296.44597.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:13:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: 500KHz Grabber and WSPR Rx back on Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b4a6d6c501b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All, I have knocked up a quick and dirty server that will carry out the basic functions required. It is by no means complete, so interruptuions are likley next weekend while I make improvements. In theory the grabber and WSPR receivers are now active and should remain QRV during the week, though if it goes off, I wont be able to fix it. I have not yet got remote control of it. s/n rations seem slightly better tonight tha observerd of late, maybe there is less QRM from the new machine, though it may just be better propagation. Regards Mark GM4ISM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.218]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5eec4b4102ea1c8; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:49:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE6C238006577; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWgs-0005Mq-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWgr-0005Mh-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:41 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWgo-0006AI-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:41 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9326575bwz.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IDpn18ptg56JDBcehHOMoUsyLm0F5qJe+kAUOp1ZVqQ=; b=HAWgz42Q8vm1UFa5HhNbYrbVEDcaIZznfYV35rL6mABzlBBVl/wBtBBgbirB3ndJ4k WwL8fftyRCRJ2n58vRhTzRA4T0azJrZGVrcCKGA0x2FSI//VOfGyCOYsiQcF2ceq4kiV 72pVtK6UZ0Bsm8uzFgpgRG5g1O1gyX2XgEBNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v6YdCQX1flMIHdtle4xpIch9v7ffjvxEnncGVBe9k408amRMHL1R8rCy7WKkh0dYJq nT2rwlEhqGR0MIRPKtuZ9XKUApUNwo4mb38hy1bRHDCASSz6ZGLf5zT9m49yZzvrHm39 4ezdYkp8Dp4WshXg9lFOdGNQSSeEqJsPDeiDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.153.27 with SMTP id i27mr10382892bkw.155.1262549072083; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:04:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001031204i254a12aft25b3063c8c1447cd@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4b40f8967814 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter (and all LF) My point on WSPR is a serious one and I think you've either not followed my logic or understood how bandwidth efficient WSPR is. Let me spell it out again... Within just 200Hz of the band *>100* stations can happily coexist and still leave ALL of the remaining band for good use by stations wanting QSOs (rather than beacon type experiments) using whatever narrowband mode they choose. This is *excellent* use of precious spectrum and beats anything else for "experimentation and self training per Hz" by my book. I have every wish to enjoy the rest of 500Hz as well, but find the small slot for WSPR a valuable use of the band in a way very much in keeping with the aims of our ham licences. Also, with WSPR high power is *not* necessary, so interference and coexistence issues should be perfectly manageable. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/3 M0FMT > Hi Roger and LF > > 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation and can > not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wide band > compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating via sky > wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply. > > 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity" stations HF > of the British experimental and research allocation does not have any real > impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it is a non issue > IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neanderthal brain. > 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on TV over > the week end and ......... > > > Harry Lime said ..... "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had > warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da > Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They > had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The > cuckoo clock!" > > > > Think on! > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On *Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn * wrote: > > > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 > > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a > time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), > is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good > idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference to weak signals is likely. > 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and > moan less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > > > >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >> and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter (and all LF)

My point on WSPR is a serious one and I think= you've either not followed my logic or understood how bandwidth effic= ient WSPR is.

Let me spell it out again...

Within just 200Hz= of the band >100 stations can happily coexist and still= leave ALL of the remaining band for good use by stations wanting QSOs (ra= ther than beacon type experiments) using whatever narrowband mode they cho= ose. This is excellent use of precious spectrum and beats anything= else for "experimentation and self training per Hz" by my book.=

I have every wish to enjoy the rest of 500Hz as well, but find the sma= ll slot for WSPR a valuable use of the band in a way very much in keeping= with the aims of our ham licences. Also, with WSPR high power is not necessary, so interference and coexistence issues should be perfectly= manageable.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk= >
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 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
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 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
Hi Roger and LF
=A0
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation= and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's= a wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propag= ating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.
=A0
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission=A0from one of the EU "Vanity= " stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation doe= s not have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see= so it is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Nean= derthal=A0brain.=A0=A0
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The=A0Third Man was on TV= over the week end and .........=A0=A0
=A0

Harry Lime said ....= . =A0"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, mur= der and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and= the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 ye= ars of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!= "=A0=A0=20

=A0

Think on!


73 es=A0HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapth= orn <ro= gerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com><= br>Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20
=
Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and st= ation performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of= room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational mod= es.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant an= d moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this= reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spre= ading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to= those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cann= ot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacon= s.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
=A0



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--00151761ca58f3fc39047c481c0f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-b5154b5c1b69168; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:05:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C48338000100; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzKB-0003T1-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzKB-0003Sr-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzK9-0006Qt-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:04:07 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851074C8014 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:04:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4848F4C8114 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:03:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:03:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XGJ , AGC last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b5c1b674622 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , Roman , Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.89]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-a2394b470c191a0; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:42:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 246B4380000B8; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCHH-0004Wz-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCHH-0004Wq-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from kane.otenet.gr ([83.235.67.31] ident=OTEnet-mail-system) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTCHE-0006lC-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (ppp-94-66-141-44.home.otenet.gr [94.66.141.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id o08Af65h024332 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:41:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4B470BBB.1030101@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:40:59 +0200 From: Alex Deligiannis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100107093341.389XQ.1767140.root@mp06> <201001071537270031.013BAB86@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <201001071537270031.013BAB86@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: [Lowfer] U.S. Loran-C to end by October 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594b470c186fdc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John RABSON wrote: > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 07/01/2010 at 06:33 w1tag@charter.net wrote: > > >> The Coast Guard has today published two articles in the Federal Register. >> They state that Loran-C is not needed as a backup to GPS or for any other >> Federal requirement, and that they intend to begin shutting down Loran-C >> operations on Feb. 8, with completion by October 1, 2010. >> >> See: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-84.pdf >> >> John, W1TAG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Lowfer mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Lowfer@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > We will loose onother LF signal olso.... > The Swiss Federal council decided that the HBG time signal transmitter at Prangins (Vaud) located at 46 degrees 24' North, and 6 degrees 15 ' East, and serving a 1500 mile radius at the heart of Europe, will cease activity at the end of 2011. Since 1966, the HGB transmitter at Prangins has transmitted official time signals synchronized to Universal Coordinated Time (UCT), on a frequency of 75 Khz. The precise carrier frequency of 75 kHz, synchronized by an atomic, clock, and the time markers (second pulses, and coded information giving the time of day and the date), can be used for the verification of frequency standards and time control purposes. During periodic maintenance work carried out on the transmitter, the obvious signs of age were observed on the antenna masts. Independent consultants opined that without a complete overhaul, the installation should be closed because it presented considerable risks. To maintain the transmitter at Prangins would be very expensive and the time signal is used too little to justify the high costs of a renovation, according to the study carried out by the outside experts. The Swiss Federal council thus, decided to close the installation at the end of 2011. This window of time will permit users to adapt their clocks to the signal of the German transmitter DCF77, whose signal is received in Switzerland with a quality comparable with that of the HBG. The Swiss official time will continue to be transmitted by METAS (Swiss Federal Office of Meteorology) on the Internet at ntp.metas.ch . METAS is charged with the reckoning and the diffusion of standard units in Switzerland, of which the unit of time, the second, is one. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.74]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b4a7959b4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:05:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1720C380001E4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU8hj-0007aN-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU8hj-0007aE-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU8hh-0005yo-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUGAFEISktOkWUe/2dsb2JhbACIJpQPt02ELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,252,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="303756114" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.101.30]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 01:04:03 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:04:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9259$f7f7b070$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100111002406.dhsto910w04gwwc0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4b4a79573f87 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Spot on Rik And why are those who build gear from scratch, use simple antennas, embrace technology and try new modes, also interested in CW, QSO's, the experiments of those who build powerful PA's, huge antenna's etc, but the tolerance is not extended by the other side. Why are there two sides? I would much prefer fellowship between all Hams. Why make the group a misery. I have been astounded from day one by the in fighting on this group. I expected more from an experimental group that requires, in the UK, a Special Research Permit. The SRP/NOV application needs more details for a successful application than "I want to talk to my mates on the key". Eddie G3ZJO -------------------------------------------------------------------- For some reason anything to improve the signal seems to be acceptable except the visible aid of computers: - buy or build big antennas (and have the property to place them): OK - buy or build big PA's: OK - try new modes using "visible" aid of a computer: no way 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-91a4b3f9d28141; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:23:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b3f9d28141; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:23:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR9Y1-0005q1-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR9Y1-0005ps-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR9Xz-0002eE-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:22:01 +0000 Received: from COL122-W47 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:21:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:21:52 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <964056144.20100102171058@dx.ru> References: <964056144.20100102171058@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 19:21:52.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[D66F3D30:01CA8BE0] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_" Subject: RE: LF: EW6GB 137.710 QRSS3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ed, LF! OK, I see EA6GB on 137.710 "M" Lubos, OK2BVG > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300 > From: ed@dx.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: EW6GB 137.710 QRSS3 >=20 > now CQ > FB O S6 >=20 > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ed, LF!
OK, I see EA6GB on 137.710 "M"

Lubos, OK2BVG


> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300
> From: ed@dx.ru=
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: EW6GB 137.7= 10 QRSS3
>
> now CQ
> FB O S6
>
> 73! Ed= RU6LA 136.73.ru
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Wi= ndows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s te= n prav=FD? =3D --_c3439f2b-535e-4319-bf1f-11fc0339ef4d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a6f4b50e3d66f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4b50e3d66f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu5l-00080b-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu5k-00080S-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVu5i-0006zt-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A0A401F5 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the report lubos, Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ -- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
 
Victor
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Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4&nb= sp; =20 0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966=   0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899 = 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9635.6498D090-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4b623f6e1c1; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7230A38000047; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057i-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057Z-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nag1E-00045K-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0T1pVYi023533 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Question to the groundwave Thread-Index: AcqgfcTQocUqf0PIRuKxkrvztkfZ6QAAhuAA References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.710;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.29.13927 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b623f6c5f17 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan and LF,=20 =20 I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follow= s :-) =20 The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (a= bout) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 100= 0km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level,= same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. =20 I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km= border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. =20 So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above exampl= e to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theore= tical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the= whole distance but anyway. =20 And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime= , by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave,= so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where= no sky wave is present!? =20 If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it= so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on= LF?=20 =20 Tnx for enlightning answers... =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! 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with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 00:07:47 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:07:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9252.1B65F240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group 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Surely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009. Results so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 content. My MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :- "Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and some small font Hell which looks best on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it should not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns." I have run MEPT's on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen? As I have mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more complex stuff and full Call Sign.. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 10 January 2010 21:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Making comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like. A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. 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A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you *must* compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn > Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it > performs. > > It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range > limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB > for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see > what "the experts" say. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > 2010/1/10 mal hamilton > >> Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur >> trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace >> been keyed it could have been identified. >> I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and >> speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW >> Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little >> antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding >> noise. >> RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be >> calculated just guessed and meaningless. >> Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. >> >> G3KEV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for >> given power on WSPR >> >> Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on >> 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for >> him to hear very weak signals than many others. >> >> For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms >> range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another >> 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under >> favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a >> good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he >> might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he >> is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. >> >> It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the >> propagation theory etc. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2010/1/10 James Cowburn >> >>> Dear LF, >>> >>> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >>> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >>> >>> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >>> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >>> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >>> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >>> and antenna configuration? >>> >>> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >>> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >>> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >>> its performance with other known signals. >>> >>> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would >>> the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has >>> the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is >>> it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for >>> a great 2010 >>> >>> With best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Jim* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >>> >>> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f95ffa50c872047cd5fbc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Andy
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2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Fair comment Mal, and one of= these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs.

It should be= possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSP= R on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR),= path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "= ;the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM



2010/1/10 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk= .net>
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not deco= de for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identifie= d.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal=A0CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big= signal and environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningle= ss.
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real time.
=A0
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist= for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on= 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier fo= r him to hear very weak signals than many others.

For what it's= worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Ger= many (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in han= d, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable= conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good ni= ght. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he migh= t just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the= propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net" target=3D"_blank">james.cowburn= @virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource= for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consi= stently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and= the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly esti= mating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at th= at power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx= stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then= it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strengt= h at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals.<= /font>

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how= much further would the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me,= assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capa= bility is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over= known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and= best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best reg= ards=

=A0

=A0

Jim

=A0

=A0

Dr. James Cow= burn G7NKS

E= james.cowburn@virgin.net<= /span>= =

=A0

=A0




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--001485f95ffa50c872047cd5fbc4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a494b5b4f4224d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:34:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA011-a494b5b4f4224d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:34:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYljH-0007QZ-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYljG-0007QP-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYljD-0005GQ-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:33:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAADeWktOlvwl/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFyBKEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448233020" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.252.37]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 19:32:54 +0000 Message-ID: <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others alt= hough the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy= visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs= or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummi= es alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informed g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote= : I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the ca= rrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the= right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These= signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm no= t getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which= is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more= importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough= said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a be= acon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with= a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB redu= ction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this= bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two mo= des. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and= they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR= beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or= days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really= weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally= going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensiv= e use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and= documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz,= with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'= If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting= files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600= .pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available= in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted somet= hing for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest sp= aced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code= to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be= decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the= mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone wa= s spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH= zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone= energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G wav= eforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrb= g.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.ra= yjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is qu= ite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate= timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7= /503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the= PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and= "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by= the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances= hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and= polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)= reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes= like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but ne= ver tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dum= mies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously not reading recent postings= about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, like= I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complic= ate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, ther= e are a lot of=20 these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informed
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 7:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
I still see these data signals as= a waste of=20 time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% witho= ut having=20 to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for le= vel 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visi= ble but only=20 an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO  i= f you need=20 an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is se= nding JT4A=20 but I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon cod= e is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier,= which is=20 a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). = And more=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one= - enough=20 said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code chang= ing, so=20 will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. &= nbsp; For=20 a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resulting= 4.75dB=20 reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation are all th= e same, so=20 this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes.  The= differing=20 message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or=20 correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they= use the=20 same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapth= orn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of= your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at= certain=20 pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offer= ing the=20 possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me run= ning=20 flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and= having a=20 reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am= sure=20 there will be others who would value this too.

73sRoger=20 G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was= never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, altho= ugh after=20 our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and documented= code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, =20  with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT sui= te to 'try=20 out'   If you download and read the WSJT us= ers guide=20 and other supporting files, there's all you need to= know to get=20 it going is in there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wo= rse than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being avai= lable in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from= DC to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come= across A, D=20 and G being used respectively on LF, HF and=20 uWaves)    There's probably only a fraction= of a dB=20 in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB= or two away=20 from the Shannon limit.  [Which knocks spots off CW= or any=20 fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error= =20 correction].   Wolf has a similar signalling eff= iciency,=20 but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid bei= ng too=20 wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something=20 for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. &nb= sp;JT4G,=20 the widest spaced varient of them looked=20 suitable.    After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded=20 not to abandon that mode,  and in fact he m= odified=20 the code to  enhance the decoder routine so the wide= spaced=20 version would be decoded with the same S/N as=20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mo= de was,=20 even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone= was spread=20 out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for= 1kH zwide=20 overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete= tone=20 energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4= G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset&nb= sp; GB3SCX=20 and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB= on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland ht= tp://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html =20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode= to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing= =20 information is available to keep it synched.  =
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= =20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just= by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any inte= rest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" wa= veforms=20 will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) = reference=20 to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mod= es like=20 JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MH= z but=20 never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the di= rection of=20 a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar= that I=20 might understand, please?

73s
Roger G3XBM
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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA9C62.D95C8DD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA102-a544b56ec7158; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:44:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA024-a544b56ec7158; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:43:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXYxE-0006B2-B4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXYxD-0006At-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYxC-00052l-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KBgKHI029523 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:20 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.caa.599ff47a (37553) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.104]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-b3104b56ec121d6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:14 -0500 Received: from webmail-m033 (webmail-m033.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.216]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME038-b3104b56ec121d6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 References: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <003e01ca99b5$e4cf1f70$6402a8c0@e7010> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 30462-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.54 by webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:42:10 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC67DCBC2BEFD8-FB8-DB36@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots= from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! 73, Markus, DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 Thema: LF: Twente receiver Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( an= d saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI= 2AG (weak). Great job. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 =3D ----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several= spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus, DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to All who realized the Twent= e receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK,= and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
----------MB_8CC67DCBC37D6B8_FB8_1BD45_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-a97e4b3e1d75120; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:06:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61AD238006BAF; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjwS-0000Vf-P8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjwS-0000VW-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjwQ-0001gQ-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:32 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQjwQ-0003Ww-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:30 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQjwQ-0001zj-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:30 +0000 Message-ID: <15D26B1C5FDA4C129090B0EBE1B56E8C@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:01:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GM4ISM WSPR Tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b3e1cab6c0a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 Firstly apoligies for a few WSPR spots that will have apperad on the= database, spotting my own test transmissions, I forgot to switch off= spot uploading while I was testing. It is the last stage of the transverter project, that will finally giv= e me all mode capability on 500KHz. Power amps are ready and I will= be able to run about 50W RF, just shy of 1W ERP An alternative antenna is being investigated to provide a more sustain= able system for longer term tests, as the main station antenna has to= be lowered in high winds, it is an unguyed pump up mast with a 70MHz= yagi on it. In the meantime the grabber here still functions on the ferrite rod an= tenna and I have had a couple of decodes (-27dB) from WD2XSH/17, but= as these were both the second half of the pair, the hash coded call= did not display and thus the spots did not upload again. Wishing all a Happy New Year=20 Mark GM4ISM ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Firstly apoligies for a few WSPR spot= s that will=20 have apperad on the database, spotting my own test transmissions, I fo= rgot to=20 switch off  spot uploading while I was testing.
It is the last stage of the transvert= er project,=20 that will finally give me all mode capability on 500KHz.  Power= amps are=20 ready and I will be able to run about 50W RF, just shy of 1W ERP
 
An alternative antenna is being inves= tigated to=20 provide a more sustainable system for longer term tests, as the= main=20 station antenna has to be lowered in high winds, it is an unguyed pump= up mast=20 with a 70MHz yagi on it.
 
 
In the meantime the grabber here stil= l functions on=20 the ferrite rod antenna and I have had a couple of decodes (-27dB)&nbs= p;from=20 WD2XSH/17, but as these were both the second half of the pair, the has= h coded=20 call did not display and thus the spots did not upload again.
 
Wishing all a Happy New Year <= /DIV>
Mark GM4ISM
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0116_01CA8AFB.A6C197D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-a8514b50e8592bc; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB57A38000141; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuOI-0008HV-2l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuOH-0008HM-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuOG-0003mh-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W3 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:11:27 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:11:27 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 22:11:27.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEBF4380:01CA962F] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_" Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b50e8576f06 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF! I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? Lubos, OK2BVG From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Thanks for=20 the report lubos, =20 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 =20 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.
2150 -21 -0.5   0.503965  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154&nbs= p;  8  1.5   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
2200 -23=   0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody= receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG
Fr= om: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri,= 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test

Thanks for=20 the report lubos,
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4 &= nbsp;=20 0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966&nbs= p; 0=20 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899  0= PA0A=20 JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b64060bf-1b73-4eb1-9244-6bbbed273a40_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5de4b60b5f618b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:54:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG077-5de4b60b5f618b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:54:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFp5-00068s-3b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFp4-00068i-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFp3-0007Iw-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127215305.HVXT4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:05 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFou-0005VN-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:05 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <00a101ca9f9b$182cb1d0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> thread-index: AcqfmgO9+nPR1f5wQnmF7NNq3hqivQAAHPlg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=rAh2LSg9fjRDHveUXkMA:9 a=6bw9joUT2o-qJvEoFx0A:7 a=H7rHMA_-BhIc92t-rRFFaZ_Q8w4A:4 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=36S4FZIGIzrOm8Vz:21 a=DaKEW6D8KZ9ZX_lP:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=87olYQBfMnBlasYZDUkA:9 a=sz8JjHFNnm_DB1xXGqIA:7 a=xx0AFF6eXITVTlJdEN4xMfNtLhEA:4 a=mftO4deV2_QA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will do! I am getting several decodes of your "G4WGT QRZ" call all at around -15dB. There is another occasional signal on evens but not decoding I am running 10W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat). I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around 0.5% to 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW. With best regards Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Will do! &= nbsp; I am getting several decodes of your “G4WGT QRZ” call all at around -15dB. &nbs= p; There is another occasional signal on evens but not decoding

 

I am running 10= W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat).    I am assum= ing (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around  0.5% to 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and= 100mW.

 

 

With best regards=

 

Jim

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of G= ary - G4WGT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:44
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the= decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you= up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

Hi Gary

 

Just got two decodes of= you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied with my= call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 =

The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are he= reby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4W= GT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query.=

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon &a= mp; continue to see if there is a report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 min= utes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good= report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van:Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01CA9F9B.182CB1D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-a96a4b60c51e25c; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8DAF83800012E; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGpT-0007mx-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGpT-0007mo-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGpR-0008DO-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:57:43 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail6.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.8]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0RMvZV6044788 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57a24ca71001271425g458b45d0vc14c80409ca48073@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca71001271425g458b45d0vc14c80409ca48073@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b60c51d2bd0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren, Sorry, yes it is /6! I have not been listening much on 500 kHz as conditions have been absolutely raving since the start of October 2009. Too busy listening elsewhere! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5c14b55b28af5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:24:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b55b28af5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:24:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXE3X-0001PL-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXE3X-0001PB-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXE3W-0001nD-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:39 +0000 Authentication-Results: ams-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsAAD9BVUuQ/uCWe2dsb2JhbACbfQEBFiQGpUKVD4QzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,303,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="56286418" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2010 13:23:30 +0000 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0JDNU5G023544; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:30 GMT Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-120.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id o0JDNTX09961; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:29 GMT Message-ID: <4B55B24F.9070400@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:23:27 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racal Dana 9084 sig gen - display flashing and no output? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Cowburn wrote: > > > Dear LF, > > > > I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signal gen but I can’t seem to get any > output and the frequency display is flashing. I have tried to google > for a manual to no avail. You can get one here http://www.mauritron.com/ Though the last manual I got from them was for the 9081 and although usable the scan quality was not the best. Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-9f24b506d1423a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:26:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24b506d1423a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:26:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmBM-0008C6-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmBM-0008Bx-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmBM-0002u0-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 95640 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2010 13:25:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263561937; bh=Vs+uldlYkDqhNwlCKBTw0ssFZIVevq6LBpCbYnJxfGk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rYrZwIwyWijy2bGuCM8kYRPeps1xk1/zjlZXtIi4uYvx2Psr1RrY1VA20m8yrQ36gjV29wK61gizLLYTXGGMwmMe6NA+BkyYFQdG/tFWCJ5Zj8o7k60Y7GmkJ7F3iqi8eif+VVGPqpRG+lSdJxdSzTc85y2pfyBJdSav34GujAM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y3KEgkxvu6zbdAqc1BZDW4T73Vrp5Cwb96f2nKoZYeXAHj/KRoYWyZk6hdxPsetO8DPvb+1HOfrbzkHJm4bkENgu7MPTyMlewuKKUci/Zy1uevUCaHeWlYl4Fx1xoIhYsQZhpsNlQPEezgYAwgIra0FXeDGmDSSD5bbGYcSFlvU=; Message-ID: <450619.95347.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DL7aVGgVM1m8LVg83CncdeFLmsRnKEosDpY91p.w2nhLjEa9n_0DO0Jqx17oQOAoz6VGlb64gcGancx4.syC5YjHsfrvZGBVKx.wC9GKEVcVQ1kobUMowvf62d3W2XwFEaBgttdMzZ940AmW7MMyNTpqz.zQlm83xwtgPW7BH5pZZEiGnasjy5jDwjJRoyswuEddT17i.4Sy3E0oGNFJDmZcCc_mCUAd.VjYU4keNsvmes6vG4UOrPYuT00L7I9vkuSQUo7ELDeJGu4agif3 Received: from [81.129.12.153] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:25:37 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <924161.10258.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d250.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and .... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvfinale.html......= =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 but the Cats Whickers take the cream!!! =C2=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, M0FMT wrote: From: M0FMT Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 13:13 Hi LF =C2=A0 Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "HNY"....e= tc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hellschreiber sty= le of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site=C2=A0=C2=A0..... htt= p://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssqrv/qrssqrvrpt1.html 73 Petefmt From: Laurence KL1X Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54 Looks like variable frequency drive interference=C2=A0from devices=C2=A0li= ke pumps, elevator motors, =C2=A0cranes=C2=A0etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough. =C2=A0 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =C2=A0 From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, =C2=A0 Anyone come across these? =C2=A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =C2=A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =C2=A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =C2=A0 Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=E2=80=99s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now.=20 =20 --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
but the Cats Whickers take the cream!!!
 
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, M0FMT <m0fmt@ya= hoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subje= ct: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Frid= ay, 15 January, 2010, 13:13

<= /TABLE>
Hi LF
 
Looks like a "Trademark" seems popular, along with "Smiles" and "= HNY"....etc. I have seen them on the Twente SDR web RX waterfall. Hel= lschreiber style of transmission I think. Look on Hans Summers site &= nbsp;..... http://www.hanssummers.com/qrss/qrssq= rv/qrssqrvrpt1.html
73 Petefmt

From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
Sub= ject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fr= iday, 15 January, 2010, 12:54

Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices li= ke pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Very musical if listenin= g on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@btinternet.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Da= te: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi Al= l,
 
Anyon= e come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I hav= e seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee= M0LMH.
 

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=20 --0-2079603637-1263561937=:95347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a794b5098c615d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA071-a794b5098c615d; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVp3N-0001JT-FM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVp3N-0001JJ-0j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVp3H-0004Qg-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskLAF8mUEtOkaFE/2dsb2JhbACCFYYt0SWEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="447427778" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.161.68]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 16:29:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:29:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. 130uW ERP brought M0LMH into my WSPR coverage (ON,PA,DL and GM4SLV at 890Km too). I am not a dog lover but I do tend to associate dog breeds with people, it takes a Rottweiler, (or 2) to get hold of an idea, stick with it and produce a complete system like WSPR. It takes a Bloodhound to search out the QRSS3 on my weak signal, M0LMH is the Bloodhound. The practical test of WSPR copy-ability against QRSS3 FSK on 500KHz confirmed the expected. Only M0LMH knows the precise comparative noise and levels of difficulty. As I see it, WSPR decoded CALL - LOC - POWER information at -27dB. At this level The QRSS3 content was visible but undecipherable. Not until there was a drop in QRN / QRM did it become possible to read a 2 letter Ident. Later, as the noise dropped, more information was readable using 3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths. Following that, with even less noise, 5 unit Hell became almost 100% readable but not quite. I don't know if my signal was audible at any time, which would have enabled any copy by ear. Congratulations and thanks to M0LMH for a most interesting test. Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LF Group=

 

Yesterday I inc= reased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reach= ed its limits.

 

130uW ERP broug= ht M0LMH into my WSPR coverage (ON,PA,DL and GM4SLV at 890Km too).

 

I am not a dog= lover but I do tend to associate dog breeds with people, it takes a Rottweiler, (or 2) to get= hold of an idea, stick with it and produce a complete system like WSPR.  = It takes a Bloodhound to search out the QRSS3 on my weak signal, M0LMH is the Bloodhound.

 

The practical= test of WSPR copy-ability against QRSS3 FSK on 500KHz confirmed the expected. Only M0LMH knows= the precise comparative noise and levels of difficulty.

As I see it, WS= PR decoded CALL – LOC - POWER information at -27dB. At this level The QRSS3 content was visi= ble but undecipherable. Not until there was a drop in QRN / QRM did it become= possible to read a 2 letter Ident. Later, as the noise dropped, more informatio= n was readable using 3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths. Followin= g that, with even less noise, 5 unit Hell became almost 100% readable but not= quite. I don’t know if my signal was audible at any time, which would hav= e enabled any copy by ear.

 

Congratulations= and thanks to M0LMH for a most interesting test.

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA95FF.DE6858E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-b5234b46f81fe6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:17:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F682380000DE; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAwy-0004K1-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAwy-0004Js-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTAwt-0006B9-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:16:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so12397259bwz.4 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:15:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6ptxsGY1dsEt0gJbjiPBnXygz117SkvSfX4T7zaePQs=; b=HzkrSn9idTUDWv0EUYmBzzCkIM/3zY7ZMWeJttOcgEVVBsQAZUETJ0lepFXe+KzhtY B/95ug1WQwUmRusqxHzuWW/j9F3XsAOoRrymzcmudVnoMdShtZ3QzisB7vtvNgydzFRC ZnHcsRRI5wqfDkzwJJ8pBpXGdVvHIYARIb2XY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HRuwok5gmS66Xo6d7gtzyi7Tp+4NZWCW6wRk5XIB0JswT/aEDn2al3URmn0UWU2GXS SiarjtfdLfsMaVC07W9TtRM4Djczi2dH7hyS/+p42T6Bd5CaPDeIAKwlBjwYMhTSnMTU s8fiFIKtSaZRxM+urDmZi5gEVLKEB1vTn1xd0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.27 with SMTP id z27mr6361191bkw.206.1262942156296; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:15:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b46f81d651c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far.... Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received. I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still. Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a *massive* incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is *so* useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been *much* harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect. Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes! Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/8 M0FMT > Hi LF > > For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably > equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can > be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual > database way. > > URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On *Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo * wrote: > > > From: g3zjo > Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > > WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various > stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over > Europe. > > Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz= WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago= with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500k= Hz page at htt= p://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I'v= e now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 coun= tries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my= WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with= Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have be= en received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain= 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a ma= ssive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line da= tabase Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power= stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements an= d propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been m= uch harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz= for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so th= ere is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all= the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a goo= d station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/= 1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt= @yahoo.co.uk>
Hi LF
=A0
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR=A0reception reports=A0b= y suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real= time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in= the usual database way.
=A0
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es=A0H= NY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>= wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Subject: LF:= RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from variou= s
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over<= br>Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015175d0a02991261047ca3a28c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME102-9b14b5b12e831b; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:17:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b5b12e831b; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:16:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhi8-0005xr-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhi8-0005xi-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhi6-0006EK-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:15:40 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99DF51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1B631E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 413AC18056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123161524.ajhx17uwv4k0k48w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:24 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_1ijbmn0mdbpc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --=_1ijbmn0mdbpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, you can download MMANA from http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/pages/mmana-gal.php The datafile for your antenna is attached 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Thanks Rik. > > It is good to know that the your figures more or less agree having =20 > done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me these =20 > simulations please? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe =20 > > =20 > wrote: > Roger, > > I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and =20 > the current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So =20 > the tophat works well and the effective height will be more or less =20 > the physical height. > The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with =20 > 0.12 A a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). > In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated =20 > recently), probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. > > Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn =20 > >: > > All, > > Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =20 > classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =20 > antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =20 > about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I =20 > assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. 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Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A26773800008F; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUiL-0002UZ-CT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUiK-0002UQ-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com ([209.85.220.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaUiI-0006hv-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:16 +0000 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so756817fxm.4 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0U0piFyaPRCYxJoRKNdUc/mV2BUrCEFZSiTqvJP7IkU=; b=rr56b697Sn3SPIGok2KreqkQ4Z4efHKV2+M7kIQLHX5blZ09E/9FcIrU85QmyUB6oC d7mHk7NRQEYKJgOeo8XU05QrVybuzgLPp0xOZq/eoekEemZtKhzXsXFz7iud7hpI7rwY QEJL0AwDx2vINEm1DgxRgIMoWdymPKM0JlaFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=a5ZRxbI2z3prRMqOOWRKUmla1B4fVaXu2CDJ8HhU/meiHr9YGFJcEt8718lC7D7g9E EfShxTTBJbodRNDfqtj5wA0yJJdx5drjalBIgvE8iO0fjkTUuARDJtu2i1uZ6fhgc910 6v3rIZY7318kU5y9I0G8IiEkeQ3wYydNaPi9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.66 with SMTP id k2mr1206023hbh.213.1264686427000; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <45636.72585.qm@web86405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <45636.72585.qm@web86405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:47:06 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fwd: 500kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b6195a50880 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Andy, I tried to send this to the LF reflector, but I am away from home at the moment, and it does not seem to want to accept mail from me - perhaps you could forward it... Dear Rik, Andy, I have been using a push-pull class D PA in my "EER transverter" for various FSK (and linear) modes over the last year or so. To get a symmetrical square-wave drive from the low-level (basically sinusoidal) 500k input, the input signal is squared up by a limiting amplifier, to a TTL level, then drive to one gate is simply inverted. To get a 50/50 square wave drive, it is important that the limiter has symmetrical limiting thresholds - the circuit I used can be seen in the EER Transverter v3 article on the UK_500kHz group files download page at http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk500khz/files. It is also important that the input to the limiter has a symmetrical waveform - but this is easily achieved by simple band-pass filtering, a single tuned circuit with a loaded Q of, say, 5 will produce a nice sine wave from a fairly horrible input waveform. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 21:56 > I was looking at driving push-pull > transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite > recently. > > How about a frequency doubler? The output > doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only > clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of > a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted > in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this > one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate > whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for > dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > --001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Andy,

I tried to send this to= the LF reflector, but I am away from home at the moment, and it does not= seem to want to accept mail from me - perhaps you could forward it...
=
Dear Rik, Andy,

I have been using a push-pull class D PA in my "EER transverter&q= uot; for various FSK (and linear) modes over the last year or so. To get= a symmetrical square-wave drive from the low-level (basically sinusoidal)= 500k input, the input signal is squared up by a limiting amplifier, to a= TTL level, then drive to one gate is simply inverted. To get a 50/50 squa= re wave drive, it is important that the limiter has symmetrical limiting= thresholds - the circuit I used can be seen in the EER Transverter v3 art= icle on the UK_500kHz group files download page at http://groups.googl= e.co.uk/group/uk500khz/files. It is also important that the input to= the limiter has a symmetrical waveform - but this is easily achieved by= simple band-pass filtering, a single tuned circuit with a loaded Q of, sa= y, 5 will produce a nice sine wave from a fairly horrible input waveform.<= br>
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

--- On Wed, 27/1/10, Andy Tal= bot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail= .com> wrote:

> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: We= dnesday, 27 January, 2010, 21:56
> I was looking at driving push-pul= l
> transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite
> recently.= =A0=A0=A0
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> How about a frequency doubler?=A0 =A0 The out= put
> doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only
&g= t; clocks a flip-flop.=A0=A0=A0And simple doubler can consists of
> a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant)
> fol= lowed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted
> in phase= from the 500kHz drive signal.=A0 Then apply this
> one,=A0 along wi= th the original to a two input XOR gate
> whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for
>= dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive.
>
>=A0
<= br>


--001636498b653bcfb6047e39c18a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI061-eaca4b4a3e71155; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:54:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CC3E38000250; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4mQ-0005IE-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU4mP-0005I5-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:57 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU4mL-00010M-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:57 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so353981fga.10 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=F+KPA0LJsNGDFJBc0wRl/qusNqjz6YMklAIg2akho70=; b=IbvWIbQxEjRPJhumjMHlwdIyN7l3zDnClsxFfZwHspDX+8fezcp3Q2NcPBmaFNq0Ib hcWeVuKH5Et0B4xBOycFxGLcqe/+KPMhobdVjaqba2UBRF0IMtonksWDYUtPjWb88f6U kTTfdsgI4h5Uf6LConh18nVvn39osrfAq/pVI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JGmMLZRBhdYY5d/lCVvax4pIwkhtwEewLHMWyv9x7sy8eYhGv0NWbD4JyfQy4SITyn jC+QPgz9LrvjE7JcJUF84stek/gKNw2AfFiqyGKRdkTqZiEyLbmSA97Vpgx6gUttWQ3Z q0Qw4OQbKcAI6nFXG8D4C4ByuHx/K0KMTnyx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.166.141 with SMTP id b13mr140371hbe.101.1263156769622; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:52:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_EVENT_UNSAFE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b4a3e707922 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That spreadsheet is for calculating the free space path loss between two stations - given by L =3D 32.4 + 20.LOG(F.d) F in MHz, d in km Totally inappropriate for LF ionospheric, groundwave , microwave ducting and even tropospheric propagation. In fact, only really applicable to satellites and hilltop to hilltop links Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > Dear All > > > > I have been inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link bel= ow, > clearly some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but thi= s > may be able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and > assuming x hops etc. > > > > > > http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php > > > > Putting in Roger=92s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and > reception report of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a =93gain fa= ctor=94 > for WSPR of 65dB. > > > > This seems rather implausibly high so I=92m obviously missing a trick > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > *RF Link Budget Calculator* > > *RF Link Budget Calculator*: To calculate power at the receiver input, > enter values in the empty boxes below. > > > > Transmitter Power > > W > > > > Transmitter Center Frequency > > Hz > > > > Transmit Antenna Gain > > dB > > > > > > > > > > > > Distance Between Antennas > > km > > > > > > > > > > > > Receive Antenna Gain > > dB > > > > Other Losses > > dB > > > > > *Results* > > > > EIRP > > =3D > > -28.20 > > dBW > > Wavelength > > =3D > > 596.42 > > m > > Free Space Loss > > =3D > > 86.39 > > dB > > > > > > > > > > Received Power > > =3D > > -49.59 > > dBW > > > > =3D > > 1.10E-5 > > W > > > > =3D > > -19.59 > > dBm > > > > =3D > > 1.10E-2 > > mW > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > > > > > > Dr. James Cowburn > > > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Roger Lapthorn > *Sent:* 10 January 2010 19:55 > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for giv= en > power on WSPR > > > > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Ri= k? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe > > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) > depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting James Cowburn : > > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my curren= t > antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR= is > around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed > accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setti= ng > and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one > knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possi= ble > to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx base= d on > its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would= the > remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx ha= s > the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, the= n is > it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all fo= r a > great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > > > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That spreadsheet is for calculating the free space path loss between= two stations - given by L =3D 32.4 + 20.LOG(F.d)=A0=A0 F in MHz, d in km<= /div>
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Totally inappropriate for LF ionospheric, =A0groundwave , microwave= ducting and even =A0tropospheric propagation.
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In fact, only really applicable to satellites and hilltop to hilltop= links

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/10 James Cowburn <<= a href=3D"mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net">james.cowburn@virgin.net>= ;

Dear All

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I have been= inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly= some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but this may be= able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and assuming= x hops etc.

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http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php<= /font>

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Putting in Ro= ger=92s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception repor= t of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a =93gain factor=94 for WSPR= of 65dB.

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This seems ra= ther implausibly high so I=92m obviously missing a trick somewhere.=

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Jim

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Dr. James Cow= burn

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Beh= alf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:5= 5=20


To:= rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Subject:= Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on= WSPR

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Do we know how many= dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?

73s
Roge= r G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= ;

Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved= signal strength (and thus SNR) depends more of the number of hops involve= d than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting James= Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:

=A0Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions= on a resource for calculation of =A0a link budget for WSPR over a set dis= tance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my= =A0current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =A0li= mit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =A0estimati= ng or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =A0(EMR) at tha= t power setting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =A0one= knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =A0be poss= ible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =A0a given Rx= based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =A0would= the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =A0the othe= r Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =A0capability is diffe= rent, then is it fine to factor for the dB =A0difference over known paths/= signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =A0fo= r a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Co= wburn G7NKS

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--001485f1e7748c8e3c047cd59aba-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b5c7923d3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:45:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8928F38000091; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5Z8-000796-Q8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5Z8-00078x-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ5Z6-0000bA-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:58 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OGhqoS020528 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:52 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:54 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: JT4A simple guide? Thread-Index: AcqclnT0cnGo5AN5TZOPRQkJ2N11wAAeZSvk References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.163040 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D14.6A2C5B06" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5c79211f02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D14.6A2C5B06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, LF,=20 =20 That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX level= or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and= others not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and= have the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? =20 I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP success.= That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... =20 Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea, your= ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it is= a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4= wave for 600m? =20 Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic con= trol (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally, the brai= d length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i could bui= ld a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv there i= use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more sig= nal but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of= the overall loss resistance and so on. =20 Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/or= DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559 in= >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5= UFO, M0BMU...... =20 73s =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave inv= L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX. RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W. QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH are underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never bee= n a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW simp= ly would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and= see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others althoug= h the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier be= en keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocia= l (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is= a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has mo= re to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. Th= e coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing messag= e contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but cou= ld you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJ= T users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to ge= t it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but= at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths= / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF an= d uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seem= s less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routi= ne so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. = We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal stil= l had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotlan= d http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals= - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. 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([217.12.12.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4QI-0000Wc-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 88590 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 21:18:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=3agHfQe+uFs0eXEVJGuuAUe20tOHjSkzRR4TNcg0PoCbiWYhXaj/tsOtNy2ep/qKGYf0bBUriuqAEf86TlcMQdwxLaJhWUalaZ2jG4W/Coni1K4q30abcUn0S/QNG9agDoaIYBjJobJeeWfZaLLAU2eusccG3zdjx5x9RMjkKz8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 21:18:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 7_a_u1wVM1noz6YaJqXiQf5d5ldYfcPCzaJYO3z9c1IOG9_EZ.HhzAyR7gDVX.jB6sxjw3TUeeWHPQcM1g00.Md32x4Kjbvm9TWez2LE1cOD9pgaMjJhrMs3WtgioZuc_zGIp6NMgWc.mpMncBBL_EfWoaHN5rrVsBnVqKrWXFq3vuFiPTLqfZZFtZ9PrEHwCiwHujRYp7uBRWgSUIMNr_ApdyT3CyuM8uvihQcuxl_Oe9Re X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:18:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b58c4df4379 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replying to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX message), but obviously not OK at your end! 205200 21 -3 2.0 -77 26 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205400 14 -8 1.9 -77 25 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205600 10 -15 1.9 -74 21 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 205800 20 -4 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 210000 20 -8 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 210200 17 -4 1.9 -74 23 * NIL G4WGT 1 0 210400 19 -6 1.9 -74 22 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 210600 21 -4 1.8 -74 22 * NIL DECODE 1 0 210800 0 -24 0.5 131 21 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > LF, > > Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to > 503.700 kHz. > > 73, > > Gay - G4WGT. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a004b5c1eb216e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:19:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG032-a004b5c1eb216e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:19:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzXo-0003ax-9g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzXn-0003ao-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzXl-0006VR-57 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8EAGKtW0tOlObF/2dsb2JhbACNbgXGYoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437565424" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.230.197]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01ca9cde$821fdf00$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:17:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA3CW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one hrd now on 500 PA3CW test de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA9CDE.809FF5C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b5f81db6a; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:59:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49FC13800008A; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvIp-0001Is-AE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvIo-0001Ie-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:34 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvIm-0004sZ-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:34 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aMm41d0080QuhwU5CPySG6; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:26 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aPyR1d0052DDHkk3NPyR4m; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b5f81da1fef X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-861d4b5c9ddc213; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:22:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3EFAE380000BD; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ81D-0008O2-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ81D-0008Ns-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from mailout01.t-online.de ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ81B-0001bh-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:07 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de (fwd00.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout01.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ5nS-0002Wd-Aa; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:46 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bHfqPQZaZhRvwGkf8cUrF-mDOIMBkIaQ8LHPIOO6KBksOllxfHSKBx-c8j2+7cWwwa@[84.147.227.98]) by fwd00.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ5nH-0MC0jQ0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01ca9d16$77f27460$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bHfqPQZaZhRvwGkf8cUrF-mDOIMBkIaQ8LHPIOO6KBksOllxfHSKBx-c8j2+7cWwwa X-TOI-MSGID: 8e87c548-791f-4c4a-b72d-58ab7428b41e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b5c9ddb5fb5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Peter-Tjerk, dear Markus, many thanks for both mails. So we know the hundreds of reports were possible by cooperation of two hard-working guys - one in the twente-radio, receiving, the other in Markus` computer, decoding, and both connected by flash-rated internet. A great idea. Thanks a lot. Peter-Tjerk, I have a question. On Sunday, 21.2.2010 we will visit young friends in Gronau. Both are working at utwente. Could it be possible to have a look at the receiver-equipment in utwente? Please answer directly to wum.staubach@t-online.de or DJ2LF@DARC.de 73 and many thanks again. Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pieter-Tjerk de Boer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > > > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports > > between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be a > > hard-working guy ). > > Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR > decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. > > So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by > someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. > > 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b4a46d52a5; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:29:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11B9D3800015C; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5LH-0005l5-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5LH-0005kw-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5LE-0001C9-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:59 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13533327bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WJ1zjOWoUPzjj0MHB58Zxw/WbCGsjz0BQhgBeI3Gvi0=; b=hmIjQnNMp233ObK57wTh71pwDlVJunbWPBB7l9bTDyvvGzJLa7o3AlmPtGGMHZc7Br l7dHTU/N1cTGvpeRugoYpASD/W5Gl0u4JoQ61lu1fdpEnoNPk7K+T3pBRpp8sUjA2imK tJnZEkdj4LW+It48kergyb+U97exGuiyg6b6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fvOrG77waaW/HXSiwTpvCs1RI4CHRCv7Em9KWp06h65ejDKjrzaeweQG/Wc271pjCz 3YeNDxva0ZZ2NLGpWcnkxXm4WEFVl6iqLwwzfPCbY3OST4Fa9hpjJD6vLH/JpfB9cSSZ Qlv1yPDmXW3Yqs1if7FUTS5qia7RKANh1GhGs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.133 with SMTP id f5mr3158889bkb.157.1263158931015; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:28:50 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b4a46d31b42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some friends10-20kms further away to listen? :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Clemens Paul > >Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, > > I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km.= -:) > Anyway, new distance record for you! > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:00 > G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 01:32 > G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 > 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 2010-01-09 02:40 > G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 > 111 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 JO02dg 0.001 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM > *Subject:* LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight > > My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking > especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good > ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band > around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ------------------------------ > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: 01/09= /10 > 08:35:00 > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some friends1= 0-20kms further away to listen? :-))

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
>Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg,
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=A02010-01-09 00:54=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503893=A0 =A0-25=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:00=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503896=A0 =A0-22=A0 =A01=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:10=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503893=A0 =A0-18=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
=A02010-01-09 01:16=A0 =A0G3XBM=A0 =A00.503895=A0 =A0-23=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO02dg=A0 =A00.001=A0 =A0DL4RAJ=A0 =A0JN68kj=A0 =A0990=A0 =A0111=A0
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010= 12:54=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overni= ght

My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight= .=20 Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would we= lcome=20 "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle= of the WSPR band=20 around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
Rog= er=20 G3XBM

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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM

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--00032555a35660c797047cd61b2e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.9]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b60bd7e182; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:26:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61E9C380001BF; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGK3-00070u-B8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGK2-00070l-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:14 +0000 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGJz-0007kk-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:25:14 +0000 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so7661qwf.16 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094b60bd7d5245 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof, Must be WE2XGR/6 as there is no WE2XGR/B -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On 1/27/10, Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello all, > > Last night I had excellent aural reception of WE2XGR/B and VX9MRC. > WE2XGR/B was approximately 12 dB stronger than the bandnoise and Joe 10 dB. > > 27-01-2010 03:00 UTC WE2XGR/B 507.300 kHz > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > Best regards, > Roelof > ===================================================================== > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > Locator: JO11tm > > Receiver: > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > ====================================================================== > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-85fe4b561e4e37b; 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boundary=000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b561e4c1cb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roger, I should have stated USB. sorry. Gary. 2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn > What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? > > 73s > Roger g3XBM > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Martin, >> >> Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. >> >> I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be >> able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping >> for others to try decoding. >> >> I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. >> I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Martin Evans >> >>> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >>> >>> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >>> >>> Can't decode it, of course. >>> >>> Martin GW3UCJ. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger,

I should have stated USB.

sorry.

Gary.


2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary pl= ease?

73s
Roger g3XBM

2010/1/1= 9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

<= /div>
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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--000e0cd111b2899d01047d8acc87-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b601ed4202; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:09:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 605A9380000A2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5k3-0002Pz-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5k3-0002Pq-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na5k1-0000ig-Jo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ED77B8050 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7503631E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:11 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:18 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100127110711.7503631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b601ed23255 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, I guess we just caught a propagation dip. When you called I could just copy bits and pieces of the call, enough to assume it was you and gave a 339 report. During the the signal went up to Q4 and Q5 at the end. Ten minutes after the QSO I could hear you testing with a solid 559 signal. Nice to work you in CW, after our previous ThorX and PSK31QSo's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 01:18 27/01/2010, you wrote: >Thank for the report Jay , > > I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult >cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi > >73 - G .. > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: >Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > > > > > Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... > > 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD > > FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 > > 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.79]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-862b4b50a9e5311; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C39403800018D; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqEV-0002aK-0j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqEU-0002aB-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqER-00053N-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:14 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAPM3UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMI4QxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280303486" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:45:05 +0000 Message-ID: <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:45:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA960A.767E2BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b50a9e21742 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA960A.767E2BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger 3 wspr carriers now visible but only PA0AM decoding, all would= be readable in QRS 3 all good visibility mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? 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Roger 3 wspr carriers now visible but= only PA0AM=20 decoding, all would be readable in QRS 3 all good visibility
mal/g3kev
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
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post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWhJ-0005sD-Re for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWhJ-0005s4-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWWhH-0007El-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoGALi1UktZ8+E4/2dsb2JhbACIKssmgjeBewQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,291,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="436893486" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.243.225.56]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 15:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:05:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier 503.4 K/cs de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b5af3e435d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:04:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E95B380000A3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYfdd-0005A9-3u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYfdc-0005A0-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:52 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYfdZ-0002zQ-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:52 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1699163bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:02:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=WgTKLBawpoewHg6DmZdyHdRwx7B84YcikzCXXipzfZE=; b=T9tVnvuwhEZjg6K5ww+aCcq0a2QkDZyPe4B9cGUE/79RWHgbpH2LMQueg+szi1OgLZ 3lTWxJjD3j0XE3KYlg5TDlz09CRNYQ/cTWrI5a2YL4BbkyVfBHxuShgPchXahj2AlGHv RQ2xKVAMp53DzIQNgeEgzeSeOejU2m1JmhGXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bfMTvlogc+9AB+w24HUbERyyeDqe5AhsJYGRQroYJV3mbxOB0rUNf9pgdcw+89SgfY aMs+s6bXMEsHMYd3P06UyYs2KDG9xdxnklXOnvxiwrtgQpXDiRD+xXh6FHM4mGktKiu2 T9aL/o3V5IeHNgtjajcpIKV/Yb7Qcnu2JheS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.79 with SMTP id u15mr2379273bkf.117.1264251762221; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:02:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b5af3e2441c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All, Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A. My results are as follows: Assumed effective height 5m ERP = 1.53mW Assumed effective height 4m ERP = 0.98mW Assumed effective height 3m ERP = 0.55mW So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and it may indeed be *lower* than this figure. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All,

Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the= classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is= a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.= 5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights= of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A.

My results are as follows:

As= sumed effective height 5m=A0=A0=A0=A0 ERP =3D 1.53mW
Assumed effective= height 4m=A0=A0=A0=A0 ERP =3D 0.98mW
Assumed effective height 3m=A0=A0= =A0=A0 ERP =3D 0.55mW

So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and= it may indeed be lower than this figure.

73s<= br>Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255543f631a2d5047dd48dfb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI053-eac84b4366f4353; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:21:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A2FA7380000B3; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSC80-0003tD-PF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSC80-0003t4-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSC7y-0001wE-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:19:28 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NSC7s-0002Ij-02; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:19:20 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bNCAQUZBZhDHZSow0vPMsHJ4e+f1ZZqi42rp+ausV3laxBOs0xw94dv48Fx9he8QSv@[84.147.233.101]) by fwd04.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NSC7m-25YEaG0; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003901ca8e22$e7e90200$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <1160510449@web.de> <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:19:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bNCAQUZBZhDHZSow0vPMsHJ4e+f1ZZqi42rp+ausV3laxBOs0xw94dv48Fx9he8QSv X-TOI-MSGID: b5307af3-e145-4eeb-907f-0e01f4fefa80 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b4366f242c7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Ossi, please stay on frequency. We need your signal. I think it was= only one who saw a crocodile. Don`t worry. 73 and best fer 2010 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? > entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new= year " > da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werd= e > ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 > oe5odl ossi > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > Dear Ossi, > > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our ban= ds for experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape= strip "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self expl= aning message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc. > > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the= band, with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission= as TEST or QST message. > > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciate= d amateur mode. > > > > 55, > > Hans-Albrecht > > DK 8 ND > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl > >> > > > > > > > >> Hallo victor ! > >> tu fer pic testing new antenna > >> running good in the new year hi > >> happy new year > >> 73 oe5odl ossi > >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: > >> > >>> Happy new year to all, > >>> > >>> captured ODL this morning > >>> 137710 Hz > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> Victor > >>> PA3FNY > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.88]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-5eaa4b557ec0182; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:43:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C9DD380000E2; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXAbE-0008Oe-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXAbD-0008OV-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXAbB-00043m-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from COL122-W7 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:42:03 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2010 09:42:03.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7EA5810:01CA98EB] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_" Subject: LF: WE2XGR_in_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584b557ebd0a2b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.=20 My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6 2332 -29 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2=20 0204 -24 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0302 -26 -0.4 0.511551 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0304 -25 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only: 0404 -20 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0432 -19 0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) 0504 -19 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) My last written record was at 06:24UT: 0624 -28 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.
My first= written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6

2332 -29  0.7 &nb= sp; 0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

so it was continue and than I= saw WE2XGR/6 and /2

0204 -24  0.8   0.511500 = 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0302 -26 -0.4   0.511551  0 WE2XG= R (BadMsg)

0304 -25  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR= (BadMsg)

and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only:

0404 -20  0.8&n= bsp;  0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0432 -19  0.6 = ;  0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0504 -19  0.8 &n= bsp; 0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

My last written record was at= 06:24UT:

0624 -28 -0.5   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg= )

I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list= only.


73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



=
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v= =E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_959f352b-cd92-4991-87ff-f7b0c95af649_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b40ee94fa; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:23:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4FAA3380017E4; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVvA-0004WD-V3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVvA-0004W4-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVv9-0005pL-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:24 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100103191517.GYHK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:15:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100103191517.CEPF22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:15:17 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:15:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=b7oK8i92-n75Dq2t9_AA:9 a=Y2EQdKyngotNE73DeUz3x5skHHkA:4 a=gmBXsakOPyV2O1YJ9SEA:9 a=LqyZLpZ44axLD1ldLrwA:7 a=VgukEHKo78YEq4S9bvVXdnvyjzIA:4 a=m-d4AzJMVx9zMfUgoWcA:9 a=8GURyMa913sVJHdaI_YDxeayBYsA:4 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=u_B9eZw-Zy5EKGji:18 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-25258 Subject: LF: QSO with RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b40ed097e6f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Message-Boundary-25258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Just completed a two-way QRSS10 contact with RU6LA, QRB 2823km. Thanks, Ed, for your patience. This is our 2nd QSO - the first was in 2005, also using QRSS10. Pic attached of part of Ed sending my call and report.. Mike, G3XDV ========== --Message-Boundary-25258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: RU6LA at G3XDV QSO 20100103x.jpg Date: 3 Jan 2010, 19:07 Size: 7959 bytes. 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5a74b5b45c0205; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:54:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG022-5a74b5b45c0205; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:54:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYl6R-00076z-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYl6Q-00076q-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:58 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYl6N-00054m-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:58 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAKHUWktZ8Y3g/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFyBSEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437540562" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.141.224]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 18:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrie= r been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the rig= ht circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These sign= als are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not ge= tting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wr= ote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is desi= gned for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a= bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more impor= tantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said.= .. To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so= will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beaco= n, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a= bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduct= ion in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this ban= dwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes.= The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the= added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they= use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn = wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beaco= n, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days= perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak= signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to exp= lore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with init= ially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally goi= ng to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive us= e on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docu= mented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with= JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If= you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files= , there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf= =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than= JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a= range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red= light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G bein= g used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a= fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only= a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW= or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction= ]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user fri= endly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something= for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced= varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was per= suaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be deco= ded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spr= ead out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwid= e overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energ= y). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G wavefor= ms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.or= g and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjam= es.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite= an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate ti= ming information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503= .85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.= Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the= health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar= regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) ref= erence to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies= " guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I still see these data signals as a= waste of time=20 since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having= to wait=20 for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visible= but only an=20 odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO  if you= need an=20 immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <an= dy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= designed=20 for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a= bit=20 antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).  And more= =20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - eno= ugh=20 said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so will=20 put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.   For= a beacon,=20 WSPR has more to offer anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit wit= h a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resulting 4.75d= B=20 reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation are all the sa= me, so=20 this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable = between=20 the two modes.  The differing message contents wont affect th= e=20 efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation&n= bsp;that=20 matters - and they use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn= <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
T= hanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of you= r valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-= arranged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibili= ty of=20 really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power the= n I'd like=20 to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to te= st with=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who wo= uld value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was never= =20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although= after our=20 extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. &n= bsp; JT65x=20 was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used= for EME on=20 144 / 432 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one= of those=20 included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you dow= nload and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is in there.=
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC= to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come acros= s A, D and=20 G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)  &nb= sp;=20 There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are,= as far as I=20 can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.&n= bsp;=20 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as strai= ght=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf has a= similar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a lin= ear TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted some= thing for=20 use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.  JT4G,= the=20 widest spaced varient of them looked suitable.  = ; =20 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mo= de, =20 and in fact he modified the code to  enhance th= e decoder=20 routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the= same S/N as=20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mode= was, even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide= overall, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset = GB3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.ray= james.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html  Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generat= e from a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is avail= able to=20 keep it synched.  
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.= 7/503.85=20 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming= the=20 PIC.   Would there be any interest, bearing in mind&= nbsp;both=20 the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the= =20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has bee= n scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guar= anteed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute= to=20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapth= orn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)  refer= ence to=20 JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M=20 which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but nev= er tried=20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might unders= tand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9C5D.35E2D470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-ba54b4b363b3a5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:31:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD107-ba54b4b363b3a5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:31:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULHk-0002Vj-IH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULHk-0002VZ-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULHi-0001fb-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAE3ESktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbADWcoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="430696232" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01ca92ca$97eed020$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de><002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Another script for EPISODE 2 of Dr WHO ???? Coming soon to a WSPR screen near you?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P-G" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:36:32 +0000 > David Pratt wrote: > > > In a recent message, John P-G > > wrote ... > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > > Licence: > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > frequencies. > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > to undertake this "self-training"? > > If I decide to spend some time studying how "radio communications" > might be affected by variations in propagation conditions then why > shouldn't I collaborate with other like minded operators and pool our > resources and results. > > If at another time I decide to study how "radio communications" might > be affected by different receiving system architectures why should I > have to rely on "2-way real time message passing" to quantify my > results if I can obtain (to me) more useful and interesting results in > another way. > > Perhaps another open-minded experimenter is willing to generate some > signals for me to study? Perhaps a widely spaced group of them would > be willing to participate? > > Perhaps later the other operator might want to follow his own > investigation into transmitting antenna design, and I might act as a > remote measurement facility. > > The knowledge gained into "radio communication" is personal to each > operator - you might get nothing from my own recent investigations into > "remote HF station control and operation over the internet", and I might > get nothing from your chat with someone on 80m CW, or your 599TU > report from Aruba on 40m in a contest. > > If you gain some new insight into an aspect "radio communication" > having 2-way, real-time communications - then great, no-one is > stopping you. > > If I gain some insight into an area of "radio communication" from a > system like WSPR - then to me that's also "self-training in radio > communication". > > Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond > its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, > CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information > transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of > "self-training in radio communication". > > Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... > > > John > GM4SLV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-85fd4b612166b1; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:32:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35ADC38000074; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaMxq-0000tH-LH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaMxq-0000t8-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaMxo-0002XJ-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:30:46 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D2AA2DF for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <004001ca9f65$80786e90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b6121651319 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andrey, just traces of your signal, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, Many thanks for the reports! I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce power. Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. Power 5 W. Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. Thanks! 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Andrey,
 
just=20 traces of your signal,
 
73
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 rn3agc
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon= AGC (+=20 new announcement)

Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF,<= /FONT>
 
Many thanks for the reports!=
I am very surprised such good resul= ts. Now I will=20 try to further reduce power.
Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137= 775.5,=20 dfcw90.
Power 5=20 W.
Who will have the opportunity, plea= se watch for=20 the beacon.
 
Thanks!
 
 
73 Andrey
 
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA9FE3.6734B320-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-a7d34b4fa0df125; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B06093800006B; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVYZo-0003es-Cn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVYZo-0003ej-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVYZl-0005Xu-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:54:04 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi72.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3F81151F for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.195] by mcgi72.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> <201001142307210931.0963EDD2@smtp2.numeo.fr> Message-Id: <970333614.1263509634.54149464.8780@mcgi72.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b4fa0dc6aef X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! Too many times I'm looking to the corner's of my house and to the near buildings and dream about half-wave or similar LF/MF antenna. http://rw3adb.narod.ru/dipol/rw3adb0.JPG The blue variant around 100m's long on the 70 m's to 55 m's The green variant is more then 220 m's long each 70 m's high. But it is a dream only... Thoroughfare, kindergarten and yards with the small child's over the wires. I don't know whats wires which will be do not destroyed by the ice at winter time here for the similar lengths. Own providers use a steel rope 10mm's diameter for fiber-optics cables suspension strands. The max length are the similar to the blue 1/4 length. That ropes looking are very dangerous every winter over the 10-15cm's snow over each trace. -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a844b50b26828f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:22:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA084-a844b50b26828f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:22:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqni-00042G-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqni-000427-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqng-0001f1-A8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:21:38 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82FA7B8047 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D47F3862 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2289618056; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from 153.149-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (153.149-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.149.153]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20100115192124.tm2gal8t2c0g08k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:21:24 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.149.153 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lee, the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Lee Hudson : > Hi Mal, > > I've got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz > Do seem centred about 504.000 > All are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur activity. > > Also a strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as =20 > the cat whiskers earlier which showed similar traces, but probably =20 > unrelated and local to me. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 15 January 2010 17:06 > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: Dirty carrier > > Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. =20 > Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? > > G3KEV > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: =20 > 01/15/10 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.138]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-860a4b608af1369; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E30538000092; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCx3-0003dL-DX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCx3-0003dC-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaCx1-00057v-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:17 +0000 Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id afUF1d00D0bG4ec5Bip9Hf; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aip71d00E2DDHkk3Pip79A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca9f81$300f0a10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <168F7F330270493183FC0D8F85E4B729@AGB> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:47:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4b608aef78cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 G Interesting. Started monitoring 502.4 kHz WSPR when home at noon today...so will be looking for early spots today. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > Ok Jay > > Yes odd night as the signals into EU where quite low , no spots from the SV station > either ....very deep qsb , even Finbar faded out at one time ! > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:14 AM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > >> >> Graham >> >> Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, there was room to spare >> with the two spots at >> -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the pond! >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT >> >> >>> Thank for the report Jay , >>> >>> I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t >>> early on ... rf was going the other way hi >>> >>> 73 - G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >>> Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT >>> >>>> >>>> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >>>> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>>> 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-86604b40fe571d2; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:30:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9A583800061F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX48-0005ia-AI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX47-0005iR-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRX45-0006J2-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 247121C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1704A1C00083 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6F2331C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103202832455.6F2331C00081@mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <147798FDC48D4E7CA02A2381502B55E5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b40fe320523 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its like comparing Apples and Bananas .. err .. sounds more like th= e Watford gap beacon syndrome ... an amusing window of time , wher= e those who elected to live in the frozen north of the country ,= watched from a afar as our southern counterparts proceeded to flood= the land with beacon ground wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed= post's and qrt's ...these days the land still floods but only by ac= t of ..... whoever=20 EU "Vanity" station .. well the same station transmitted the zl2afp= sounder system in ssb and produced some useful results http://group= s.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder ... at least we kn= ow why psk31 doesn't travel too well on 500=20 And holds the 500 distance record to the north of china .... Vanity= ?=20 G .. ))=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Hi Roger and LF 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocat= ion and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It= 's a wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply= . 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity"= stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does= not have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can se= e so it is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= Neanderthal brain. =20 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on= TV over the week end and ......... =20 Harry Lime said ..... "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias= , they had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelange= lo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have= brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what= did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!" =20 =20 Think on!=20 73 es HNY petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its like comparing Apples and Bananas   .. err  ..= sounds=20 more like the  Watford gap beacon syndrome ...  an amusing= =20 window  of time  , where  those who elected to  li= ve in=20 the  frozen north of the  country , watched from a afar as= our=20 southern counterparts proceeded to flood the  land with  bea= con ground=20 wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed post's and qrt's ...these days= the =20 land still floods but only  by act of  ..... whoever
 
EU "Vanity"  station .. well the  same station transmit= ted the=20 zl2afp sounder system in ssb and  produced some useful results&nb= sp; http://groups.google.c= om/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder =20 ... at least we know  why psk31 doesn't travel too  well&nbs= p; on 500=20
 
And holds the 500  distance reco= rd=20 to the  north of china .... Vanity ?=20
 
G .. ))
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb

Hi Roger and LF
 
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s al= location=20 and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas.= It's a=20 wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= =20 propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't= =20 apply.
 
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU= "Vanity"=20 stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation= does not=20 have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can= see so it=20 is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= =20 Neanderthal brain.  
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third= Man was on=20 TV over the week end and .........  
 

Harry Lime sa= id .....=20  "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfar= e, murder=20 and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci= , and the=20 Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had= 500 years=20 of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo= =20 clock!"  =20

=20

Think on!=20


73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Ro= ger=20 Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From:=20 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:= LF: Anti=20 Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturd= ay, 2=20 January, 2010, 22:20

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.ne= t>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ= is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamp= ed by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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G3XBM    GQR= P 1678=20      ISWL=20 G11088



------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME084-9e24b58a611238; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:08:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME106-9e24b58a611238; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:08:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2N4-0006VX-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2N4-0006VO-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2N2-0008A3-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:07:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAN40WEtcG7Bg/2dsb2JhbACNbwbMFoQ8BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,319,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="289187183" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.27.176.96]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 19:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:06:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik's figures are always exaggarated could be plus/minus 100 dB either= way. Recent dipole gain figures from Rik indicated that I am running= 400 mw erp. whereas some months ago his estimate on received signals from me= was 20 plus watts and here there has been no changes here same old TX= /ANTENNA. Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESS= WORK, think of a figure juggle it about and publish. In the amateur context depending on site, theory and practical are of= ten a long way apart. When I have queried these figures there is NO RESPONSE G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Dear Jim, Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours,= I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate th= e most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on= Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little= optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether th= e truth is somewhere in between. Would much appreciate this. Thanks 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rik's figures are always exaggarated= could be=20 plus/minus 100 dB either way. Recent dipole gain=20 figures from Rik indicated that I am running 400 mw=20 erp.
    whereas some month= s ago his=20 estimate on received signals from me was 20 plus watts and here= =20 there has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA.
 Figures from=20 others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESSWORK, think of= a=20 figure juggle it about and publish.
In the amateur context depending on= site,=20  theory and practical are often a long way apart.
When I have queried these figure= s there is NO=20 RESPONSE
G3KEV
   
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 21,= 2010 5:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chan= ce of some=20 new ERP estimates please?

Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF= reflector=20 in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and= expertise=20 to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM pl= ease.=20 Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being= a little=20 optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether= the truth=20 is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this.=20 Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA9ACC.E7634910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a744b5a0e28253; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:44:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA064-a744b5a0e28253; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:44:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQLX-0002g1-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQLX-0002fs-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQLV-0007Qf-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:11 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so1055164pwj.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:43:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ST+XS2xrV6Q6B0WIT7T0t7xv/nDp1E3xPWZSuhW02u8=; b=URjwRnsnTyrlegysdhlNkhQ5yd0BpCJicCYZSN5IhWAQJVY45wgu2x5oooak+4k06z KXuHrKOiFD57J9Ye+LWa/Ql6HGSwWCa9USNXiDdrnc1b+gAhcVzGKE0p2U1Ob/EVs08H DYCuZtqz4j2P8nxLRVQHc+KYNE7TgEJ3m9WeA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hsn98w9QAurVFCXZUoOcbyl0PErk/hOWTKSGgZ/vEsTwokxItFc5RGfEbr9zOVeuFb ztfGAQ7kwsdN8e8ReFF+ZfNuZgPTH2qLpAczPASgYfUNBoH+OZI5vKqB8gOyAkty54kJ Guny5ISsufdCN8gGOl+v5rOzcimPHQ1DJ07KI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr2342762rvl.250.1264192981094; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:43:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:43:01 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70985394019949f9 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, LF, Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. Thanks for the 2 way. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 ******************************************************************************* 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any > decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I > just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ > calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > --000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim, LF,

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4= A 2 way contact ??

Thanks Jim, looks like my chan= ge of sound card did the trick.
Thanks for the 2 way.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.

202100 20 =A0= -4 -0.1 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0= 0=A0
202200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0M0BMU G4WGT IO= 83 OOO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0
202300 15 =A0-14 -0.1 =A0-24 28 * =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
202500 21 =A0 -6 -0.1 =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0= G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202700 21 =A0 -3 -0.1= =A0-24 29 # =A0 =A0 =A0G4WGT M0BMU IO91 =A0 =A0OOO =A0 1 =A0 0=A0
202800 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0RRR =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
202900= 21 =A0 -4 -0.1 =A0-24 27 * =A0 =A0 =A0 FB GARY 73 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203000 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A07= 3 G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=
203100 22 =A0 -2 =A00.0 =A0-24 30 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BMU SK =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203200 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0FINALLY JIM SK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0=A0
203300 13 =A0 -8 =A00.2 =A0-24 29 * =A0 =A0 =A0 TU DE BM= U SK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0
203400 =A0Transmitting: JT4A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TU DE G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
203500 21 =A0= -5 =A00.4 =A0-24 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0 HI HII =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A01 =A0 0=A0

******************************= *************************************************

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT &l= t;g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening &a= mp; I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decodi= ng a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before ch= anging Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even= minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

--000e0cd13a0a90d03b047dc6dd6a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-86014b5b0bf92fc; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:47:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48DC838000047; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhFy-0005om-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhFy-0005od-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhFv-00061Y-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1730856bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q274Q1Q0ewYJo88VoM1ruGcJPcowNVd+u9wOemlj0cU=; b=tWYjzUDvVZY455I/oiSqTKy1x5ABCHWOiGzJNuwxjPEmn18TxMNcKMraUtAsmpe174 kgKauf0XtKY45nwBS1AxQ2t9qgy1KXu2ixmf66gMYdDefphVy6hyGXH+Dmv9+GwFO1Is TacdNpM2w9P+RM7TiXnGqXf1QHyr3/NFxZ8mQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=D+nPpNJc/PHyY0EVOzHbTcpoz7a1lTKq6VcXjWzg4BM7XmkMenkr30qBrHCCcofrw9 OXOqPVO64D3zUakyYzXwDl8Raxvb0EItCAgATu1I9VqKte606ro0ikgqmAgY0HDOTizT ms8vFYKhNRAzkAClyajBlaFkko6WQmBjFvxeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.150 with SMTP id l22mr2307795bkl.171.1264257986188; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:46:25 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230646l55038t2e03f54f763a829a@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b5b0bf87f87 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Rik. It is good to know that the your figures more or less agree having done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me these simulations please? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Roger, > > I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the > current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the tophat > works well and the effective height will be more or less the physical > height. > The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 A a > radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). > In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently), > probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. > > Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > > All, >> >> Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the classic >> formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My antenna is a 5m long >> vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not >> being clear how to model the top hat I assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or >> 3m. The measured antenna current is 0.12A. >> >> My results are as follows: >> >> Assumed effective height 5m ERP = 1.53mW >> Assumed effective height 4m ERP = 0.98mW >> Assumed effective height 3m ERP = 0.55mW >> >> So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad estimate, and >> it may indeed be lower than this figure. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rik.

It is good to know that the your figures more or less= agree having done some proper simulations. Is it possible to email me the= se simulations please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 14:12, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Roger,

I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the cur= rent through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the tophat= works well and the effective height will be more or less the physical hei= ght.
The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 A= a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP).
In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently),= probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP.

Very impressive that it covers over 1200km.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>:

All,

Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =A0classic= formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =A0antenna is a 5m= long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =A0about 1.5m x 1.5m= . Not being clear how to model the top hat I =A0assumed effective heights= of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna =A0current is 0.12A.

My results are as follows:

Assumed effective height 5m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 1.53mW
Assumed effective height 4m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 0.98mW
Assumed effective height 3m =A0 =A0 ERP =3D 0.55mW

So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad =A0estimate,= and it may indeed be lower than this figure.

73s
Roger G3XBM
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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
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--00151758a6762bd6e4047dd600d5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-8c074b40c7a3125; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:36:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E0AF3800006F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRTQl-0002Zc-7B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRTQk-0002ZT-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRTQi-0004ea-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGAItVQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLD4IJwX2EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="404237985" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 16:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01ca8c92$bcd526c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:35:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b40c7a23699 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty over= XMAS and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or otherwise? g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've bee= n warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called= him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give= Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not= yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band to= t the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those= able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publicatio= n is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been ad= equately informed about the process. It is not even clear if notificat= ions to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs hav= e already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this= reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and= therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'r= adio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band wit= hout official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO= with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch= Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radi= o Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiments tra= nsmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future= will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact'= as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's,= starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's= from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy'= but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on= his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radioze= ndamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over= de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wa= t de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie= tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de= 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De veren= igingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen= een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de= verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment.= Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmer= king kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor= de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA8C92.BCAC9020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WHY so much fuss about this station= PA0A, what=20 about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others= . Are=20 these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 4:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we'v= e been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called him=20 although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates=20 a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= =20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M.= Sanders=20 <misan@xs4all.nl&= gt;=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A= on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc= :=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
=
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the offi= cial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experiment= al=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio= =20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able= to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publicati= on is=20 quoted below. However not all their memebers= seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the pr= ocess. It=20 is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transmis= sions like=20 the one recorded below and and therfore QSO's= with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio= =20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an fre= quency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amat= eurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting= date=20 somewhere in the future will be in order= , and not=20 legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-= 1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich= history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first= succesful=20 trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse,= was=20 convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the Judge= =20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tende= ncy to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot= 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op= 7 oktober=20 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz= band. De=20 verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het= uitzenden=20 in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die= voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultate= n van het=20 onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingsc= ommissie=20 voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een= rapport=20 indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek= te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de= inhoud van=20 de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenig= ingen nog=20 overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorw= aarden voor=20 de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidde= ls met de=20 VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder= =20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwo= ordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuel= e=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen ko= men voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Individ= uele aanvragen=20 voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door= =20 Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">
Zo= dra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beken= d via deze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

&nb= sp;

 
----- Original Message ---= --
Sent: Friday, Janua= ry 01, 2010=20 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the tw= o of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:56:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Victor, I observe 503100, there are no traces... The receiver will work up to the morning. 73 Andrey Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Südostbayern,12,90006°O/48,4150°N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-901575245-1262535071=:89933" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40c1e73a3f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl&g= t; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


=20 --0-901575245-1262535071=:89933-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.204]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b5783372f9; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:27:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4B3FB38000074; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXj0I-0001Cj-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXj0I-0001CZ-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXj0G-0001VG-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8638151C001 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6826F31E702 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 91F3918056; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from 79.98-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (79.98-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.98.79]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <20100120232608.i80okx8y880gc0gg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.242.98.79 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4b5783356a4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, Lubos, congrats to both. Roger: next stop Iceland ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! > > Thank you so very very much for finding my tiny signal. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3= =BD? 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I will put the power up a bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures > WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync = 9 > dB = -2 > DT = 0.0 > DF = -107 > W = 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > > Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd1380613ecbc047dc787e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the pow= er up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
As said I haven't read any instructio= ns / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies= of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.









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F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b4dfab2343; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:54:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 77E2F3800008F; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6SZ-0004TB-1k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6SY-0004T2-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6SU-0001PM-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:42 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so15806407bwz.4 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:52:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CGWM2IHMyRS4Q9efjYNC/bHe2sdVbAyO+ykm0FTnt0w=; b=Ok2ZJLdWJizL/VOjVVKSCNkzCKnRMHmTR9fwLcvKtoBqrFByv+IXI7ZirZUgyYLS9n Kryu3FUkuBNwquKfNhB02kk/orsoLHqLXGeCTPiiqWHyLs3vHWWFforUkKnJNxF/ZEv0 Z/X7uvoknkUPj5aUAQmgnU60l1dtqipsV8px8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OTMGQWraHpoU1tlbOHyeV3IqIChKr+o4NeF23z9Z8yiervYCoUtF6LVzGXEufgG7LH 9+RNY1rGys7LGgGRn+yjnoEbaKmz+YaiBgFRwg7pxSZszqf6/wck+wQUDL5GZxDl/4T4 r7FOlXlpGKJvlmT60oXBNl58L9cpIf8rAfID4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.199 with SMTP id q7mr313206hbh.12.1263401548333; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:52:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:52:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4dfab0042d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those transmitters consist of a full bridge output, where the connection to the series LC is hard switched to alternately +V or -V. The result is a low impedance voltage source driving the tank. Such a transmitter requires a series tuned circuit at Fo to select the wanted component while appearing as a high impedance to all harmonics. So you will not see any drain (source of the upper device) waveform oteh rthan the square wave outptu plus any incidental small spikes, that ideally shouldn't be there. Contrast with a class E that alternately switches to ground then opens, allowing the voltage peak to fly off to whatever the C-L-C network allows it to reach. Tnx for the replies to my - originall light hearted - comment about needing a 1kW PA. It looks simpler than at first thought, so I just 'may' get round to adding it to the project to-do list (after retirement / quitting - getting ever closer). The 137kHz 700 Watt jobbie was straightforward enough - it was uncontrolled transients that caused problems there as I was running from such a high Vcc (340 Volts) that layout mattered. Keeping with a 50V rail ought to simplify things somewhat. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/13 mal hamilton > Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes > a > single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. > It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting > L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. > mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM > Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx > > > > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less > when > > the tank circuit is resonant. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > From: "mal hamilton" > > To: "rsgb" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM > > Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx > > > > > > Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the > > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching > characteristics > > like in class E > > mal/g3kev > > > > > > > --001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Those transmitters consist of a full bridge output, where the connect= ion to the series LC is hard switched to=A0alternately +V or -V.=A0=A0The= result is a low impedance voltage source driving the tank.=A0=A0=A0=A0 Su= ch a transmitter requires a series tuned circuit at Fo to select the wante= d component while appearing as a high impedance to all harmonics.=A0=A0 So= you will not see any drain (source of the upper device) waveform oteh rth= an the square wave outptu plus any incidental small spikes, that ideally= shouldn't be there.
=A0
Contrast with a class E that alternately switches to ground then open= s, allowing the voltage peak to fly off to whatever the C-L-C network allo= ws it to reach.=A0=A0
=A0
Tnx for the replies to my - originall light hearted - comment about= needing a 1kW PA.=A0 It looks simpler than at first thought, so I just = =A0'may' get round to adding it to the project to-do list (after= retirement / quitting - getting ever closer).=A0 The 137kHz 700 Watt jobb= ie was straightforward enough - it was uncontrolled transients that caused= problems there as I was running from such a high Vcc (340 Volts) that lay= out mattered.=A0=A0=A0 Keeping with a 50V rail ought to simplify things so= mewhat.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/13 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Tnx Jim for reply, but since= a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes a
single frequency tx it= is getting close to class E design.
It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting=
L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output.
mal/g3kev=


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz"= <james.moritz@btopenwo= rld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject= : LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
>= ; In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less wh= en
> the tank circuit is resonant.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
&= gt; 73 de M0BMU
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: &q= uot;mal hamilton" <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January= 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx
>
>
&= gt; Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the<= br> > operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching
chara= cteristics
> like in class E
> mal/g3kev
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--001485f1e7627f4166047d0e9884-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA031-a7e4b535d46177; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA076-a7e4b535d46177; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWaHK-00009X-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWaHK-00009O-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWaHI-0008Sd-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0HIt31a023361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:25:03 -0330 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:25:03 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Many thanks for the capture and very clear copy of the beacon. It was QRT shortly after your reception, but has resumed operation. 73 Joe On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Nice capture VX9MRC, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 16-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-5eb24b50e03019b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA954380000ED; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtqh-0007RE-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtqh-0007R5-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtqg-0006oi-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from COL122-W47 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:36:47 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:36:47 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 21:36:47.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7259E00:01CA962A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b50e02e7903 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!

2114 -13  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116&= nbsp; 10  1.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

Lubos,= OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_a2f69c84-dda1-4d84-a3e4-1615e6c10ab3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b694b5330c0258; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694b5330c0258; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:46:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXJO-0006IZ-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWXJN-0006IQ-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWXJL-0007S5-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4551B1C00088 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 306421C0008B for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.28.180]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 782501C00088 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117154454492.782501C00088@mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:44:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines showing, only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr frequency to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the carrier > 503.4 K/cs > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b60c5c761; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:01:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8525038000116; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGsI-0007rk-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGsH-0007ra-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:37 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGsE-0008Fo-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:37 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CDB135687 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID760oaAXab0470X02; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:27 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID760oaAXab0470X02 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.217.9] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 051oaAXay3872M40; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.9 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B60C585.4000507@usa.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:00:21 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAB@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B5EECA7.6060702@usa.net> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID051oaAXay3872X40 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FUZZY_OCR=0.000,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: AW: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020802040104050606010802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b60c5c4087d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020802040104050606010802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/27/2010 12:52 AM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: 
Hi Alberto, 
 
Tnx for reply. Let us know about your loop preamp if it is finished.
Surely Stefan, I will.

On this subject, does anybody have a first hand experience with this component (OPA847) ? On paper it looks very good...

73  Alberto  I2PHD

       

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<1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> <1128689800.1264030506.47635240.13375@mcgi64.rambler.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:49:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d01bc772f8f48631 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211049n403bb863j5cc5244b3adedc99@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174b58a21d341e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roman, I do not know where the signal came from, I think it must have been generated with the other sound card. The strange thing was that it was not there during daylight. Having just stated that about signal not there during daylight, the street light outside nearby has just developed a fault, it now keeps going off for 30 to 60 seconds & coming back on again. The "signal" could be due to the faulty street light, waiting now for the local authority engineers to repair the light. When it has been repairedI can connect back to the other sound card & check. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/20 Roman RW3ADB > Hi Gary, LF! > OK, I'm understood. > There is no any ideas what is a signal? > > Roman > > * Gary - G4WGT [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]: > > Roman, LF, >> >> I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum >> line >> that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a >> > repeated > >> 1 >> minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken >> > into > >> 1 >> minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box >> for >> clearer display. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> > Hi Gary, LF! >> > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. >> > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. >> > Is't real to be an NDB ID. >> > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. >> > >> > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 >> +0000]: >> > >> >> Hi All at LF, >> >> >> >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" >> > radios > >> >> using >> >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a >> >> >> > couple >> > >> > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? >> > That signal is absent today on the grabber. >> > >> > of >> >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. >> > Yet > >> >> >> > it >> > >> >> was >> >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. >> >> >> >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was >> > the > >> >> signal >> >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference >> had >> >> disappeared as well. >> >> >> >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound >> >> >> > card >> > >> >> is >> >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> >> > Hi Tracey, >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following >> >> >> > UNID >> > >> >> :- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> 498.7< >> > >> >> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > >> > > >> > >> >> > *NT* 0 UNID >> >> >> >> >> >> XUU > >> > >> >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 >> >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID >> >> when/if >> >> > it gets strong enough. >> >> > >> >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner >> >> > >> >> > Hello Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> >> >> >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that >> there >> >> are a >> >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> >> >> >> >> Tracey >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> >> >> >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in >> at >> >> about >> >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At >> >> >> > times >> > >> >> there >> >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher >> which >> >> looks >> >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an >> NDB >> >> on that >> >> >> frequency. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few >> kHz >> >> either >> >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as >> > the > >> >> >> > HF >> > >> >> side of >> >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may >> > be > >> >> >> interested. >> >> >> >> >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi LF! >> >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 >> > kHz? > >> >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Roman RW3ADB. >> > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman,

I do not know where the signal came from, I= think it must have been generated with the other sound card.=A0The strang= e thing was that it was not there during daylight.

Having just stated that about signal not there during daylight, the stre= et light outside nearby has just developed a fault, it now keeps going off= for 30 to 60 seconds & coming back on again.

The "signal" could be due to the faulty stre= et light, waiting now for the local authority engineers to repair the ligh= t. When it has been repairedI can connect back to the other sound card &am= p; check.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>



2010/1/20 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
Hi Gary, LF!
OK, I'm understood.
There is no any ideas what is a signal?

Roman

* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]:
=

Roman, LF,

I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spec= trum
line
that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a
repeated
1
minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken
into
1
minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box
for
clearer display.

73, Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>

> Hi Gary, LF!
> TNX to all for the details and participation in identification.
> I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute.
> Is't real to be an NDB ID.
> Some time he was like a carrier on the screen.
>
> * Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59
+0000]:
>
>> Hi All at LF,
>>
>> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz.
>>
>> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real= "
radios
>> using
>> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to= Rx a
>>
> couple
>
> Do you tried to rx today or yesterday?
> That signal is absent today on the grabber.
>
> =A0of
>> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800= kHz.
Yet
>>
> it
>
>> was
>> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber= .
>>
>> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only= was
the
>> signal
>> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interfe= rence
had
>> disappeared as well.
>>
>> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sou= nd
>>
> card
>
>> is
>> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.
>>
>> 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>> > Hi Tracey,
>> >
>> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the= following
>>
> UNID
>
>> :-
>> >
>> >
>>
>> =A0498.7<
>

http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_khz_1= =3D498.7&filter_khz_2=3D498.7&limit=3D-1
> >
>
>> > *NT* =A0 0 =A0 UNID
>>
>>

XUU<http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/= ?mode=3Dsignal_list&filter_itu=3DXUU>
>
>> > =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28
>> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy= an ID
>> when/if
>> > it gets strong enough.
>> >
>> > 73, Gary - G4WGT.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>
>> >
>> > =A0Hello Gary
>> >>
>> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
>> >>
>> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll= find that
there
>> are a
>> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area.
>> >>
>> >> Tracey
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8
>> >>
>> >> Hi Roman, LF,
>> >>
>> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.
>> >>
>> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the sig= nal fades in
at
>> about
>> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following= morning. At
>>
> times
>
>> there
>> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz= higher
which
>> looks
>> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists= for an
NDB
>> on that
>> >> frequency.
>> >>
>> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency= & a few
kHz
>> either
>> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as we= ll as
the
>>
> HF
>
>> side of
>> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne= who may
be
>> >> interested.
>> >>
>> >> 73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi LF!
>> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber arou= nd 498.8
kHz?
>> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_49= 8.8/capt500-4.jpg
>> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_= 498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Roman RW3ADB.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Roman RW3ADB.
>
>




--
Roman RW3ADB.


--000e0cd1a8cce48b52047db1297d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC033-864f4b57871833e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FF9738000094; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjGD-0001cZ-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjGD-0001cQ-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjGA-0000MY-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.67] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjGA-0006Nb-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B578700.4050701@inext.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:43:12 +0100 From: oberreiter oswald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b5787166e20 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Am 20.01.2010 18:56, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Ossi, tnx for transmission yesterday in the night up to 2 o clock! > In the moment i built my first own RX on a ham band ever with very satis= fying results. I used ur sugnal to compare it to the K2. Screenshot will= follow ;-) > > 73 es awdh! > > Stefan / DK7FC > =20 servus Stefan! ja bin meistens in der nacht qrv um die conds zu beobachten mal besser=20 mal schlechter hi eben langwelle. zur zeit mache ich meistens qrrs 2.5 mit einer eigenbaupa von oe5eep=20 der vfo ist freilaufend im wahrsten sinne des wortes hi aber auf qrss3 ist das egal . die meiste zeit bin ich am antennenverschlimmbessern hi manchmal gehts sogar besser aber das ist nicht immer der fall , wenn ich bedenke dass die erste verbindung ueber 120 km vor 11 jahren=20 eine riesenfreude gemacht hat . wir dachten damals, meine freunde oe5eep und oe5pgl die antenne geht schon gut hi, heute weis ich dass es sicher keine langwellenantenne war hi . vor 11 jahren war eben alles anders hi alles nur in cw ein qso uber 1000= =20 km dauerte oft 90 minuten bis jeder das rufzeichen richtig hatte heute macht man das mit wspr in millisekunden also nicht=20 selber sondern der pc . da kann man dann sagen mein guter pc hat wieder ein neues land=20 gearbeitet hi . die zeiten aendern sich eben . zur zeit habe ich 20 laender auf lw gearbeitet die meisten in cw . und einen swl raport aus usa . so wie ich dass hier in europa mitbekomme wird jeden tag aus usa=20 gesendet und hier empfangen. leider hoert uns niemand oder beobachtet das eu tx band in usa . manchmal kommt die station aus usa mit nur 200 watt hier sehr gut an da muessten die freunde in usa uns auch empfangen koennen? meinen usa raport bekam ich auf 137775. also was solls werde eben doch einnen drachen steigen lassen muessen so=20 wie du hi . geht ueberigens sehr gut deine drachenantenne hast sicher hier in eu das= =20 staerkste signal. awdh de ossi oe5odl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9e44b561437190; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:21:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME108-9e44b561437190; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:21:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKYi-0002vC-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKYh-0002v3-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKYe-0008Ke-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:15 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so248564bwz.29 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:20:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eo/WPLEO0VEtZVmkgMDF6KGyaR4gM6CAf0RDLPkqn0s=; b=dQjmvXywRj8YjOn7s2fk6G/tA/OZDxr6xn/nh4RhRatTX2IacIZmQU/tuV9WJIFCnW zsG/IENlIV9rzc0iIW5yacd6++gG4YIazMYJ6H4SCFINY04svs2PIpsSj9ypr9+lH6KE FyP/KOJ6Oi+cfL06ncAJoujZjbn7B4FW+k5Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RdcS79Y/psuKZEL2crgCQY59Y/P5gz36NQTGxLVpqO5XI9JLaDdxGtBojy4MKHcXHl GwhvxJgCCrz2HW10ByfVRz0j91XgxofCcymEa6RjsrDwfhAzEDpH7nlwhyEdpHuMdAqv Sk0mxQ1cXc+LxMyjuWBxNniWNZbfVSXXbxnP4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.135.217 with SMTP id o25mr4636342bkt.105.1263932406672; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? 73s Roger g3XBM 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Martin, > > Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. > > I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be > able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping > for others to try decoding. > > I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. > I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > >> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >> >> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >> >> Can't decode it, of course. >> >> Martin GW3UCJ. >> >> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please?

73s
Roger g3XBM
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT = <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Martin,
=
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

=
I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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--0015174c1c281eacf2047d8a32b8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8e64b50ea692a0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:21:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b50ea692a0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:21:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuWx-0000Ho-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuWx-0000Hf-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuWu-0003sv-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:20:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 1228 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from 188-23-186-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.186.96]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2010 22:20:26 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1263594026.5428.7.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabber in OE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear group! I have set up a temporary grabber under http://grabber.mine.nu . It covers the range from 137670 to 137820. It will update every 2 Minutes. The Antenna is my Marconi which I usually also use for TX and the RX is my TS440s. I will keep it running during the night. Cheers and 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-86244b45f20b2a6; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:39:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB06A38000107; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NStUX-0002F2-FQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NStUX-0002Et-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NStUV-0004rp-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:37:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 11359 invoked by uid 507); 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60204b637b4c43b8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dimitry,LF Strong signal here F4DTL JN18FP IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010 In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru writes: Hi LF XGJ visible now in RA3 Dmitry ra3yo --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dimitry,LF Strong signal here
 
F4DTL JN18FP
 
IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010
 
In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru= =20 writes:
Hi=20 LF

XGJ visible now in=20 RA3

Dmitry
ra3yo

= --part1_17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-86a54b61f07a244; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1111738000077; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naaks-0003RW-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naaks-0003RN-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naakp-0001yD-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:18 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so763168pwj.4 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=x5o4HO1jbNJmU47upUbR8wT2P/vmr/RQ5z/kFOOAa0U=; b=rVpDGxxeBfll4SgnZWZWqOoFhjX5IFVGgyylztBWJ46fmG27QvQbxNm2J3DLD5j390 mTPwAshm3ej6zW25KfLbV6whwBO/7vSOCq9BYTDtkHNERvPzp7OG9tSdfQAxog2dOT+W igOrAbvNHYgEqrEBwlRP7RbViaFh85B3VrsgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=vUGtd39uitEOBUNHU+8lIlTZ0HGhOfLm4edwKy1bY5ZtX8delZttDMiL6+BL/1i/8n cyGEOqfJ4Z7/XN2v9usv/EYeoiV0xLiLG08/s7QBF6/XGo/ZLGfbIQQgOcrjt7HZHGa6 SNo7o6OfnAza3c/WXb90zSeJpY8B1EaXbjrDg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.100.20 with SMTP id c20mr701161rvm.143.1264709648039; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4049479c94d04693 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 503.600 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b61f0786480 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome. 503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF,

Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome.

503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--000e0cd13a8250bfbc047e3f295c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5f364b3e096835f; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:40:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF4AE38000236; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQidI-0008E6-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQidI-0008Dx-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQidI-0004En-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:37:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 54442 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 14:37:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262356653; bh=qVlCnVTDTROecTrOeob7WurytcCEkZjBt7gFbdNsp0o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z4IujQQIjgATmisR3Vt36Ac3NCkSLKCEFjRGTmRzu7mlxQtxpi8c5HeIYSyGCa2hDX30EjbaIuy1P+hAnov0EF/v75O8se6H2jrzyCOj7owQrC4IjghsAWZpXUoVAqLwTRsNFEfac/gduM6U9SUEKYmlmwRqv2uE3fjwf/AmyKE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QQxTNO39dncM819l8BxKAAVNkwe9imXNyuInHfjT1tduGxy7rdpspDla+0My/h4r1oGTNVG7OBUIMjpekNeOxlP3I3qsOfWXGGe9a0bfB+uZCtRVgidEoQKsE4j0wTz6C38atgztEkUBsvhq3XrUUzx94tW+ZwrbHdYZfXk6YQU=; Message-ID: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7cG3bogVM1nH7A17w3LVofh.voq7bj3ykYvHme4oOOhnsTv9NO4zMviQP.OgPVYfULDIV9UaiCmn2hFuQYC51ol9aeGvk_HJwT21qGmXTpk5C5J3a1YjZgIEWkU5_OvHQfagDAPDnlQrHb6oQAonrkLYNKDPcs6ST3SviLQ87z5._rqxleT40iUfRObijDOa6_ROm_qYJayIRkR.vxMaiZsgwSdxQUkU2_FpeNrEDrmpbBTfSI8- Received: from [81.155.113.30] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:37:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <0FC5C1A3629B4125BBCBBCE418C0436C@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b3e09134a4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in Essex. =A0 Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline is now on= 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex.<= /DIV>
 
Signal RS 57-9 here in No= rth Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL petefmt


=20 --0-1113509200-1262356653=:54206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-8bcf4b56289bb3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:48:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B5F138000082; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLux-0004GF-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLux-0004G6-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLuv-0005sK-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:19 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4715896pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Rc5guevLS97EapVHlpbZ57L39NwJb6RbEIKQc9agyOw=; b=cPIHhZbp1RkLVCEB6GMFaMDcfQupAC5o454MrAzsy1tJ/8WhzlW2X+Wn4xaIZ17a8E cdPCTH06Wl4C+9fI72TReuSTmfhrEbNSaaMi7xJ8WLYKTnY1zzl4AhvO+gheiQSDvA98 LM1fPsGYYc8mg6sKWtZ52Xi0Q875D/4AsEUkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=RTiHlqn/Vak6kDcJoYnXGQeWknnZuzUxN6e75TTvX5FCFPi6h2J3UqrZ0zgGvq134S qMPO4M+ou2Lg4xlZZqUZ+9yKsHFn3gft5HcdgJ9CWWXLrWogO50XoSN9QZFPps/R1/mu rcwNYih4WAss8O01+WNINp3VMPA5Gi9doR20g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5805024rvm.120.1263937630610; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d6d783ac649d487 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5628996eda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated. So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2. I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night. 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies= & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated.
<= br>
So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible,= I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2.

I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for som= e reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night.

=
73

Gary - G4WGT.
--000e0cd139587da7c2047d8b6975-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG104-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-00011D-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-000114-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUh9z-0000gF-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 57048 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2010 13:51:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263304303; bh=jYtSPuI//Qt3B7590/WbY6SQPzog/SVBkW7EF06WMjo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FFDzTEk46e57p02JQlbtqXRRdn5vBsYiozg17FiDcw5E7NsAn5pCy7mCPb78tSpo0zDr5oSjwjeYltnJaO8tQvqUqGHDV/toQ/C7/hk23xmle+oYaPLKmy9xUnilOkKpD1Y+j4CmfbAKYQab6hZeccHqq0lT/JRe5Ob4i49mQh0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vWoTnagzeNe7YN6t378lf/pOp/0KXWetoeK3PvKy//2WxnXioB4fAMU3u8k9LO8kjn9WvOKNOLv37ntA/JHHH71fLnOAdHjf0H1pjgfhOb5ogeM/aTtGfqqAfmaKXSVQ4pEeVorSh3CjYkMjECGoavEOw/CWG7sydDaWfJ3WmME=; Message-ID: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xup4AawVM1nz5BqNxXEpGqM2GU1jyXl.bWIlw7.IjfD_yBh7H6JdKsihitHt00Ww5EMUjv3Pc4hogtTdWitONfQFQ7O1L_ZTRpSs5UlQ0d0omIEgS4RDvZdTqBbcyVW_0bYN8DlP4V5eTnABhI2sG99kDTSA188cjkXSi12aYMPTNxagDErBYc.LRGjPDtb8EGitEiQVzngpF1FeqUAxyCmtUayREQQqw6IRq.FwwRLM7YH2Yqw- Received: from [86.130.57.5] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003a01ca9377$6c872d30$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-799213711-1263304303=:56994" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF Group =C2=A0 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness. With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method. Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no=C2=A0increase in= current. =C2=A0 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top= of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead. The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long. 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF Group

 

In an attempt to calcul= ating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get these results.

With a wire diameter of= 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF applied. This= is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A= each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightness.

With an estimated incre= ase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did not not= ice any change in antenna current by this method.

Running the calculation= through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd size of= 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.

 

The recent WX at this= location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did I would= suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inverted =E2= =80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.

The type I use is a dee= ply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.
73 es GL petefmt<= BR>


=20 --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-a7664b6443d01c5; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB95138000156; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbEPI-0002gr-8B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbEPH-0002gi-O5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:39 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com ([209.85.222.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbEPE-0001A6-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:39 +0000 Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so2787080pzk.1 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bV4mEJwmrosgfztqBelTt8QVl/MPNn3xSbN/jXJw8xc=; b=PhtXazI6qsec7d9DympPgJUEWlxk5M/+eNQbzqZUYuixJkl+spcZkYkT8IKAvj7Lxb 52tq+tcU5PSxdyH5btcl0QPoEN7icg65uvHOTeWHxYKyky5SzXzs0tYfrd5qtPZSAfTQ 5rT2CHo7frHvaurLcStCIjnEcX7fDJhBBGWoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=GZjJKaFBQJxCnt6UIy3cmmk2eD4KBGAMMf+/TBHtwQYp35+opd65Ze2oSHDgea958T JgZZEK7uHPZL5riHPwL/zmARnGWXBlnw33bRj4KfQpLinrS9/zXESu1TpHHv0w7Vl4+e +ULdZ8+bkRIrR4JMspaSAmYsHizoRlbt+2rxI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.88.31 with SMTP id l31mr1535803rvb.32.1264862068602; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:34:28 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 75a7db5347636887 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001300634q46947635x2f0cb7ec6b1fcc9c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 502.200 kHz GB4FPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b6443ce315f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the moment 1430utc. Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome. 73, Gary - G4WGT --000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock= , Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the moment 1430utc.

Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome.

73, Gary - G4WGT =A0
--000e0cd295ae49f999047e62a67a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-b5334b5fcf511b2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:29:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 067E238000203; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na0RN-00023T-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na0RN-00023K-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na0RK-0006q0-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:27:45 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA6EE1AC for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA9F19.D34B59D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54070 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b5fcf4e7f72 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA9F19.D34B59D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andrey, good copy of your qrp signal, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc Verzonden: dinsdag 26 januari 2010 19:35 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. 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Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Andy, The bandwidth of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz. 73, Roelof From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from 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<1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b59ff79054c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening &a= mp; I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decodi= ng a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before ch= anging Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even= minutes.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.
--000e0cd13ada35aede047dc5fcb8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84b5c5748118; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:20:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E5CBA38000085; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3Ji-0006PR-TF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3Jh-0006PI-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ3Je-0008GR-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigGAFbmW0tcHCXM/2dsb2JhbAAsjUIDxliEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="295036093" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.37.204]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 14:19:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca9d00$38348f90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b5c57467ad8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have already had a CW QSO with you and your 1mW. You congratulated= me on my good ears. I worked G7NKS with his mW tx this morning on CW= for the second time although only S1 I copied all his information fir= st time. So what is wspr and J4 doing for you and others that CW or QRS cannot= do? and there is no need for complicated modulation techniques. Incidentally I can read straight QRS aurally just like normal CW witho= ut a visual display. For those that prefer data modes carry on but do not exaggerate their= potential over CW and QRS, there is no advantage except perhaps the= Appliance can be left unattended while the Operator goes for a siesta= , or goes to bed early then wakes up to check a database to see if he/= she has had a bite from a little or large fish.=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D00.38003920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have already had a CW QSO with you= and your 1mW.=20 You congratulated me on my good ears. I worked G7NKS with his mW tx&nb= sp;this=20 morning on CW for the second time although only S1 I copied all his in= formation=20 first time.
So what is wspr and J4 doing for you= and others=20 that CW or QRS cannot do? and there is no need for complicated modulat= ion=20 techniques.
Incidentally I can read straight = ;QRS aurally=20 just like normal CW without a visual display.
For those that prefer data modes carr= y on but do=20 not exaggerate their potential over CW and QRS, there is no advantage= except=20 perhaps the Appliance can be left unattended while the Operator goes= for a=20 siesta, or goes to bed early then wakes up to check a database to see= if he/she=20 has had a bite from a little or large fish.
G3KEV
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
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From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r=20 happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of=20 switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
 
be interested to find out what it is
 
Bob K3DJC
 
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b577d7a21e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
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2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2= =A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

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--001485f5ce020d5c44047d9fbae9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-865f4b5b6f6323f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C61038000132; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnsG-0000dd-UR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnsG-0000dU-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnsE-00065X-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:32 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so702040pzk.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UGU0PvPDxCqIBA+jprEej1zXCYwQO7lsdywMaJCn7ss=; b=nreWWoZ9539GnbT4L0VRjXV/eG2VI1jFMFM6zQVFJnl9q5qi/NF1h+eFe3Zq7J6RW/ 6anG5WxnCF04Qum2qSqREZJGH0NWQBCdCH33sjr7e4WLYTdQx3l6vNuUKL0y8nQ6uAOq 38fAU7+fmT0tn+OL2b868Syu6tiUJW4xj+SGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EZoeGBcH204qq2Cov6fFf35xYWU1dcxO6moXK6hy/+Z9UpHbYmJpEb0MpZyTMteCUy jzGZu6Rz4jrR7pwqZc5GrmZHCPFfcDhmAzS168n7vW7zoQLR0mAPZboT4nyBKCj0BZhV s0x6ZiNv3biNRxNEzcRSRdBAXU5HuNVcTU8rk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.10 with SMTP id e10mr3281868rvi.78.1264283422468; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:50:22 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9b49c7afc09d2ca Message-ID: <1f0624b91001231350l61858e7ay4993e992b3bacfbf@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b5b6f62356d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, Thanks for report. You need to Tx on opposite minute for me to see/decode your signal. I am using Tx 1st (even minutes). I will watch a little longer but QRT soon. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/23 James Cowburn > Sorry but my appliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn=92t > transmiited! I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *James Cowburn > *Sent:* 23 January 2010 16:09 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > > > > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > --000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Thanks for report.

You ne= ed to Tx on opposite minute for me to see/decode your signal. I am using= Tx 1st (even minutes). I will watch a little longer but QRT soon.

73, Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/= 23 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

Sorry but my app= liance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn=92t transmiited! =A0=A0I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db

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--000e0cd113b44aac94047ddbec9f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84b44c5a7369; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:17:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F46C3800024C; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSZUN-0007ZB-BE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSZUM-0007Z2-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSZUK-0000gz-8c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:16:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgEAB9UREtZ8kWG/2dsb2JhbACNSAaOaLZhhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="399349185" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.69.134]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 17:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b44c5a569e6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ th= en test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. Has anyone worked him yet ? Active now at 1710z G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil = El Haj Is,=20  near Yemen I think,  CQ then test.Good signal=20 here 569 taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA8EF3.BAC01CB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-860c4b5c9be32a4; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:13:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 18F753800009A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ7sd-0008Ii-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ7sc-0008IZ-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:14 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ7sa-0001Xg-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:12:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OJCABV009062 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:10 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:10 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: JT4A simple guide? Thread-Index: AcqdGnj/6/WiKLQCTaiBzTvG8+k6vAADbTw/ References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca9c95$e209e580$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <003301ca9d19$da767520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.185722 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D29.20EB9F14" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b5c9be10eff X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D29.20EB9F14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, i think you know what i mean ;-) The ground- and wire- and coil-losses, or the overall antenna system resis= tance (which is hopefully not almost the same) that has to be transformed= to 50 Ohm. Or in other words, what is the antenna current you get out of= 100W TX pwr? Let me bet: 2,2A ? =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 18:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan What loss ? Let me know when u want a QSO on cw 137. I have both LF and MF available= for immediate QSO'S also xband for a qso if u like 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Mal, LF, That sounds good! So, you can be sure that you have some dB more RX level= or better said SNR than others. That's why you can do it in CW/QRSS and other= s not. But if the others do it e.g. in QRSS10 instead of QRSS3 and have the same fun and are satisfied and happy, what do we want more? I am impressed by the happyness of Roger/G3XBM with his 1mW ERP success. That's what is important. Regardless if we have 1mW or 25W... Mal, what about your earth losses? If you are in the near of the sea, your ground conductivity seems to be excellent? Less than 20 Ohm? And if it is= a full size L Ant for 137, you do not have a loading coil? Or is it 1/4 wave for 600m? Probably i get a temporarily special licence by the german air traffic control (1 month) for a maximal kite braid length of 150m! Normally, the braid length is limited to 100m (in most countries even to 60m) So i could build a full size 1/4 wave vertical for 600m. But since i am not qrv there= i use it for 137 kHz, just 27% of 1/4 wave ;-) That will give >3dB more sign= al but the main interest is bringing to resonance, watching the change of the overall loss resistance and so on. Yes, you heard me (569), and my neighbour (599, if you mean DK7SU and/or DF6NM). But also OE5ODL (589 with 20W TX power) and Andrey/RN3AGC (559 in >2000km (without sea water between), with a little more pwr ;-) ) and OH5UFO, M0BMU...... 73s Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 02:38 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Stefan I have a selection of antennas here. In use at present for TX 1/4wave inv= L up over 100 feet high and the rest horizontal, can also be used for RX. RX antenna is a 40metre vertical loop resonated for 500 or 137 kcs E/W. QTH is vy quiet out in the countryside. All utility supplies to QTH are underground ie electric, telephones cables etc. I often hear the USA stations peaking S7 at times, also VE stns. On 160m antenna is 3/8 wave inv L 100 ft high. Receivers various and designed for LF/MF. I gave you 569 and no one else heard you except your neighbour. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never bee= n a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW simp= ly would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and= see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others althoug= h the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier be= en keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocia= l (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is= a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has mo= re to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. Th= e coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing messag= e contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but cou= ld you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJ= T users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to ge= t it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but= at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths= / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF an= d uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seem= s less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routi= ne so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. = We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal stil= l had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotlan= d http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals= - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. 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X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Twente goes DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_18777559==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b56f95f1c76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_18777559==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, all, a bit off topic: with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio=20 output to the input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr. Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a=20 hardware connection between audio out and audio in the only way ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote: >... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio=20 >stream produced several spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice! > >73, >Markus, DF6NM > >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- >Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49 >Thema: LF: Twente receiver > >Many thanks to All who realized the Twente=20 >receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns=20 >on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great= job. >73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG > --=====================_18777559==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, all,

a bit off topic:
with windows XP it was easy to redirect the audio output to the input and so use psk, rtty, wspr software on a web sdr.
Is there a way to do the same with Vista or is a hardware connection between audio out and audio in the only way ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 12:42 20/01/2010, you wrote:
... and connecting WSPR to the Twente audio stream produced several spots from WD2XSH/17 and /10. Very nice!
 
73,
Markus, DF6NM

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Walter und Marianne Staubach <wum.staubach@t-online.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 20. Jan. 2010, 10:49
Thema: LF: Twente receiver

Many thanks to All who realized the Twente receiver. Last night I hrd ( and saw ) many stns on MF - EI, PA, G, SK, and beacons DI2AM (strong) and DI2AG (weak). Great job.
73   Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
--=====================_18777559==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b4eea1215c; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1865C3800008F; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVMPE-0007C9-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVMPE-0007C0-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from mx27.mail.ru ([94.100.176.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVMPB-0000my-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:54:20 +0000 Received: from [94.75.147.198] (port=50873 helo=[192.168.1.8]) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NVMP5-000JH9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:11 +0300 Message-ID: <4B4EE9AD.8070100@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:53:49 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; ru; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <25544DDCB20440688C95809D45DC94F5@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <25544DDCB20440688C95809D45DC94F5@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RA3YO 14-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b4eea100d53 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny Thanks for capture Dmitry henny van elst =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > Hi LF, > Capture RA3YO > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden=20 > verzonden: > RA3YO 14-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen=20 > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet= =20 > toe. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b60f3502646 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Roelof, THank-you for the signal reports. 73 Joe VO1NA > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > Best regards, > Roelof > ===================================================================== > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > Locator: JO11tm > > Receiver: > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > ====================================================================== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b5b00481e1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:57:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24E79380000E8; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b5b00473ae3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have my QRPp= Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now= for a few hours.

 

Frequency 503.2= 2KHz

 

Modulation QRSS= 3 FSK

 

Power 500mW at= 50 Ohms

 

Total current= consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top= Load Vertical

 

ERP >=3D 1mW= att

 

All reports ver= y welcome

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA9C33.CD2E7700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b4f55704; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:33:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8A69438000104; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTTI-0001FP-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTTH-0001FG-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVTTC-0005Q7-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:26:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8FADriTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACIKNB1hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="436306612" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 17:26:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01ca953e$bbaf0180$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b4f556a6381 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jay I can do better than that. I can manage 100 ft high and 120 ft at a push. How far are u from him 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5fd4b5c522f112; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG108-5fd4b5c522f112; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2yN-0006I4-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2yM-0006Hv-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2yK-00087o-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0ODvA4O015836 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c90.59cf2a81 (34969) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229236163.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.236.163]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994b5c51ae25c; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:57:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Walter, Pieter-Tjerk, well Walter was probably referring to the receiver FPGA, running throu= gh those billions of calculations per second ;-) Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio from the Twente receiver - hope yo= u don't mind! I did set the carrier to a low frequency (300 Hz) so tha= t WSPR can cope with the samplerate interpolation. 73, and thanks again for this fascinating resource! Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Stauba= ch wrote: > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of re= ports between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to= be a hard-working guy ). Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR= decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by= someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-9144b4b9a2e244; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:38:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD074-9144b4b9a2e244; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:37:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NURwf-0005pO-2j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NURwe-0005pE-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:04 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURwd-0001GZ-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:37:04 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69827271854 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D364B0045 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197A495BDB for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1263245816.4b4b99f85b5b1@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:56 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0O calling CQ on 501.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20100111 2132 UTC Hearing PA0O calling CQ on 501.5kHz RST439 RX: IC-703 ANT: Amplified 4 x 4 x 4 metre loop SW-NE BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-5ef94b48f634bc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:33:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 851EF3800016A; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTivP-0000g9-0V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTivO-0000fz-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTivM-0001Di-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o09LWP8a017897; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:32:25 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cbf.530fe84f (34982); Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229072103.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.72.103]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b48f5e5f6; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <18E5344EFE6C4DA9870B8B28EEAE10B2@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Cc: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF on Twente Web-SDR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b48f6315c2b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, recently I found that the excellent 7-band web receiver at Twente Univ= ersity http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ also features a low frequenc= y section (64 to 164 kHz). In contrast to the situation a few months= ago, the LF band now appears to be completely cleared of local interf= erence, and the receiver is quite sensitive. By connecting the PC's audio output to the line input by a "real" phys= ical audio cable, I was able to perfectly read 137 kHz QRSS3 signals= on a slow spectrogram. The audio resampling process from nominal 8438= Hz samplerate does introduce up to +- 0.2% of samplerate variation,= but the resulting frequency instability can be mitigated by tuning to= a low beat frequency (eg. about 300 Hz). The digital IF bandpass skir= ts can be pulled in as required. Using WSPR v2 with an appropriate Rx-= BFO setting, it was possible to successfully decode WSPR signals that= way as well. The web-SDR waterfall also shows a strong Loran-C spectrum around 100= kHz (mostly from Sylt, 300 km from Enschede). This tempted me to feed= its output to my "LoranView" averaging program. With samplerate track= ing to the Sylt pulses and five minute averaging, I could detect trace= s from 48 different Loran stations last night, including far away ones= like Port Clarence (Alaska), Raymondville (Texas) and Gesashi (Japan,= 9582 km). Many thanks to Pieter-Tjerk PA3FWM, for providing us with this outstan= ding peace of work! 73, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA917B.9B31AF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,
 
recently I found that the excell= ent 7-band web=20 receiver at Twente University = http://websdr.ewi.utw= ente.nl:8901/ also featu= res a low frequency section (64=20 to 164 kHz). In contrast to the situation a few months ago, the LF&nbs= p;band now=20 appears to be completely cleared of local interference, and = the=20 receiver is quite sensitive.
 
By connecting the PC's audio&nbs= p;output to=20 the line input by a "real" physical audio cable, I was able to pe= rfectly=20 read 137 kHz QRSS3 signals on a slow spectrogram. The audio= resampling=20 process from nominal 8438 Hz samplerate does=20 introduce up to +- 0.2% of samplerate variation, but the resulting fre= quency=20 instability can be mitigated by tuning to a low beat frequency (e= g. about=20 300 Hz). The digital IF bandpass skirts can be pulled in as required.= Using WSPR=20 v2 with an appropriate Rx-BFO setting, it was possible to success= fully=20 decode WSPR signals that way as well.
 
The web-SDR waterfall also shows = ;a strong=20 Loran-C spectrum around 100 kHz (mostly from Sylt, 300 km from En= schede).=20 This tempted me to feed its output to my "LoranView" av= eraging=20 program. With samplerate tracking to the Sylt puls= es and=20 five minute averaging, I could detect traces from 48 different Lo= ran=20 stations last night, including far away ones like Port Clarence (Alask= a),=20 Raymondville (Texas) and Gesashi (Japan, 9582 km).
 
Many thanks to Pieter-Tjerk PA3FWM,= for providing=20 us with this outstanding peace of work!
 
73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Henny, "PW" at the top - UA3PW 73 Andrey > Hi LF, > Capture ra3yo > henny pa3cpm > best 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b40ecfd377; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:16:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAA373800360E; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVhu-0004Nd-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVhu-0004NU-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVhs-0001Yt-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA7.2DBDA7F1" Subject: LF: AW: QSO DF6NM - DK7FC/p X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b40e9d1126e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA7.2DBDA7F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus and Marco,=20 =20 TNX both of you for the CW QSO. Also Hans/DK8ND.=20 =20 4xCW in one /p session, thats a record for me ;-) =20 @Hans: Sorry, i saw your Call in QRSS in the afternoon but the wind was to= unstable and never came back later so i couldn't answer...=20 =20 At 16UTC i started packing all in the car. I had 10cm new snow and my radi= als were unvisible ;-) But the Current was lower (and earth resistance higher, abt 80 Ohm instead= of 30 Ohm!!) then normal, perhaps caused by the distance to ground due to= the snow. It was a genial activity for me. So much impressions. After the= CW qso with Hans i changed to a bigger kite, 8,1m^2 instead of 3,6m^2. Th= at brought me 2 hrs of more operation until the wind was totally gone. =20 TNX DF6NM, M0BMU, DD7PC for the first CW contact. =20 CUagn next weekend!! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Scholz, Marco=20 Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 12:10 An: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Betreff: LF: QSO DF6NM - DK7FC/p Hallo Markus, Hallo Stefan, Followed your CW QSO on 137.120KHz. DF6NM rst 519 DK7FC rst 579 WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR. 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X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.247.34 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B4BA1B2.1050803@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:09:54 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID388oakwJ67872X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b4ba1fa0c36 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Johan H. Bodin wrote: > > Mal, a "preferred mode" is actually any mode that works in the current > circumstances. Please choose your words more carefully, Alberto is one > of the few gentlemen on this planet that has given us well engineered, > free and simple-to-use tools (Argo, Jason etc.) that enable us to enjoy > LF communication over much greater distances than would be possible with > plain old CW. Hand pumped CW is fun, indeed, but my definition of > communication is somewhat wider that just conveying the digits "599". > Alberto understands information theory which, apparently, you do not. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM Johan, thanks for relaying part of a message directed to me. The gentleman who originated it is on my blacklist, so his messages are automatically discarded before I have the chance to read them. And thanks also for your kind words. I hope in a not too distant future to be able to release another program to the Radio Amateurs (those with an A license :-) community another (I hope useful) piece of software. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b644b535589368; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:23:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD026-b644b535589368; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZlU-0007yS-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZlU-0007yJ-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWZlS-0000Zm-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:22:20 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoGAOXjUktcHFUR/2dsb2JhbACIKswngjeBewQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,292,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="294377342" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.85.17]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 18:21:56 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca97a1$f0548440$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:21:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thats a lot for a harmonic and I am surprised the ShetlandS man has not been in touch to sort it out. He says he sorted out the Faroes qrm last year. Has he lost the touch? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noise on spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI031-eabe4b4f4dae5e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:00:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0564438000389; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT2h-0000og-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT2h-0000oX-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT2e-0002OR-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:30 +0000 Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUqZ1d0051c6gX854UzMtq; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:21 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUzP1d0072DDHkk3jUzPj6; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <003701ca953a$e96e9260$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:59:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b4f4dac1f64 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to work. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ____________ Jay, I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is N/S. I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. 73 Jim WD2XSH/35 K0HW ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a= couple=20 weekends ago and heard him a couple times since. Here's his e mail to me on his setup. Think= it should read one leg=20 N/S and the other is E/W. Note that it is at 20 feet! Appears to=20 work.
 
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Jay,
 
I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn= attenuator=20 which feeds a transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz.  &nb= sp; The=20 transverter is feeding a solid state amp.  I am running about 10= - 15 watts=20 ERP.  The antenna is a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet= above the=20 ground in a N/S and E/W configuration. one leg is N/S and the other is= =20 N/S.
 
I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and= a HyGain=20 Hytower.
 
73
 
Jim 
 
WD2XSH/35  K0HW
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 10:45=20 AM
Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500

Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole on=20 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9511.004C3F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5ad4b4a053e34; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:50:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG028-5ad4b4a053e34; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:50:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU0yB-0003QV-NV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU0yB-0003QM-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU0y9-0007tF-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 46474 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2010 16:48:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q9mdm1i44Ga/gkrnIkDj7deH7PFRPbTNvICqnxxHdyQrvmQ0UxlNODW9E0Jx7uLa9JMptA0PBzxPJKVBlcP4yfz1K9SV/T/oPLVOFMe1P6DmcdHxV+qySk3ELwoPS2CwtrsHVkoWaQLZKPm77OknvPQOvlYXTL1vXwWpyF++LPY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 16:48:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: UGZf3wQVM1nW3xnbXdtI1wUsRLk8.4bO3b0xE3T9ZNhwZK9Mn6lIakoBliXNEu_.qTOufj7YVsQ2Be1bNiKuDP2JVtctSDlDREysngTIBwaO.DYlTQ8PYzh8QKcsHQMS3YAZyTYNbQ_VjEEnk636fJX8WOkCkdsQxJC.QoVq7.8Gi8m90NWoG8QcymWZNgoSHlr2E1QgtDQDYvK_8bi6S_R20Z.JxynLCEvm.xsqndZPoA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0412CBBBC35D40ADB1C3BFE2E13317F9@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <0428D232A1EB4AD581A389F01D2C5991@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:48:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Lee, LF Group, I received some info from LA3EQ about his beacon: >... Hi Jim.... GLad people are hearing my beacon LA3EQ/P (it is the barn just beside my house) The LA3EQ wspr is rx only and listning with only a 14MHz dipole!......my beacon power is 60 Watts DC input into ther tuner. (almost 1 Amp RF current indicated on my RF amp meter from USSR)..not +10dBm as wrongly indicated on wspr ----thanks for letting me know....I don't know my ERP. Is the power level reported on WSPR ERP or is it RF power out? My transmitter is a TS2000 on 6 meters using homemade transverter type "G3XBM" (but with a 50 Mhz LO) and homemade PA with a single Mosfet XFH75N10 stage, home made tuner and a 3,5 MHz windom antenna up 20 feet. I am building a Marconi T with three 20 meter long "T"'s and the feedline appx 10 meters long taped at center. It should be going up in the air sometime today.... 73's Jan LA3EQ >.... I estimate, very roughly, that LA3EQ/P has an ERP of 0.2W Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-9274b576e3f20b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:57:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274b576e3f20b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:57:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhbT-0008Je-VY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhbT-0008JV-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhbR-0000pl-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:39 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so610421bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:56:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j/fP7zYp1JLkD4iv1KCrtd7dqbJ8MreIOQaXvuq87Ec=; b=Hi5Wju/CaqXsfYCwnHd1HamAyOqP1k9Bnn7Yti739irZecfsXB41A4GcahEkj918YX qHkhyqgZ1u1STeKX/ZNz3Fh6bQT967EhXoAbirUOwad2g1BGowq0An6vcYaZw8ryoCX+ o5d/gu45vF5JUg27JE/P2wBjff2eNGx/wTpVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Uo9PfT1I2Cv8tDv8zQ7Xut7b7FsEahex3I41NDmdXFHcCvQMeRo9MfSqzvzqw0yIZd IkiaSWAy0k9MYjZ15zhOQTZvYmZlzZKhXtLLQ7BpGibMqfTe9/ef9sZYKcqobzY6xygn tw1RhtC6N3FNxkfv48nNkA5PN1zlx/zJDYhnc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.220 with SMTP id i28mr258064bki.143.1264020990903; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> References: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Jim - that's a good distance. Lubos is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might *just* manage= to hear me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! Andy an= d I are about the same distance from Lubos. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 James Cowburn > 1200km!!!! new record for me!! > > > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Lubos OK2BVG > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 19:24 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: WSPR_OK > > > > Hello LF! > > 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 > 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Jim - that's a good distance.

Lubos is copying G4JNT= at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB weaker than Andy,= so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to hear me at some po= int one night soon even if the report is -30dB!=A0 Andy and I are about th= e same distance from Lubos.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/20 Jam= es Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>



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--00151758a57a26c528047d9ed2da-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b4b1533f1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:10:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 083F938000043; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJ5G-0001Dc-Hj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJ5G-0001DT-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJ5E-0005b7-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:22 +0000 Received: from opc1 (unknown [192.168.1.203]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC6D3B452 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:18 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> In-Reply-To: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b4b152f324b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential > short messages, Agreed > which applies to most radio amateur communications But not ALL... The 500kHz UK Special Research Permits were issued to carry out investigations of a technical nature, as described by the applicant in his/her submission to OFCOM. Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5c9e602fc; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:24:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B945C380000FA; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ83L-0008Qz-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ83L-0008Qq-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ83J-0001d6-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:23:19 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0OJNGvI009869 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:23:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:23:15 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: UA9CS Thread-Index: AcqdHhvpEvDTCK3sR/6lDahO4iuR6QAC/HSJ References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.191225 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42" Subject: LF: UA9CS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b5c9e5e1252 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO wit= h him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and already= asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an interesting LF= web site and seems to be well qrv. Distance for me is abt 3400km, what wo= uld be interesting in DFCW3 ;-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhATAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEACgAAAExGOiBVQTlDUwBRAgEFgAMA DgAAANoHAQAYABQAEgAvAAAATwEBIIADAA4AAADaBwEAGAAUABcADwAAADQBAQmAAQAhAAAAMjEy MEY1QkZGNTZDQTM0RDhGQTA4MEM2RTY2RTgwREUAXwcBA5AGAOAKAAA4AAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA QlC6DSqdygEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABMRjogAAAAAAIBRwABAAAAMgAAAGM9REU7YT0gO3A9SFNUO2w9 RklMRS1TRVJWRVItSC0xMDAxMjQxOTIzMTVaLTE4MjkAAAAeAEkAAQAAABUAAABSZTogTEY6IFlP IDI0LTAxLmpwZwAAAABAAE4AALUSrB2dygEeAFoAAQAAACMAAABvd25lci1yc2diX2xmX2dyb3Vw QGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAAACAVsAAQAAAGMAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABvd25l ci1yc2diX2xmX2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAFNNVFAAb3duZXItcnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBi bGFja3NoZWVwLm9yZwAAAgFcAAEAAAAoAAAAU01UUDpPV05FUi1SU0dCX0xGX0dST1VQQEJMQUNL U0hFRVAuT1JHAB4AXQABAAAABwAAAERtaXRyeQAAAgFeAAEAAAAyAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A 3QEPVAIAAAAARG1pdHJ5AFNNVFAAcmEzeW9AbWFpbC5ydQAAAAIBXwABAAAAEwAAAFNNVFA6UkEz WU9ATUFJTC5SVQAAHgBmAAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAGcAAQAAACMAAABvd25lci1yc2diX2xm X2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnAAAeAGgAAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AaQABAAAADgAAAHJh M3lvQG1haWwucnUAAAAeAHAAAQAAAAYAAABVQTlDUwAAAAIBcQABAAAAGwAAAAHKnR4b6RLw0wit 7Ef+pQ2oTuIrkekAAvx0iQAeAHQAAQAAAB0AAAByc2diX2xmX2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3Jn AAAAAB4AGgwBAAAADwAAAFN0ZWZhbiBTY2jkZmVyAAAeAB0OAQAAAAYAAABVQTlDUwAAAAIBCRAB AAAA8wMAAO8DAAD2CgAATFpGdaaRkLkDAAoAcmNwZzEyNYIyA0NodG1sMQMwPwEDAfcKgAKkA+MC AGNowQrAc2V0MCAHEwKA/xADAFAEVghVB7IR1Q5RAwHdENcyBgAGwxHVMwRGENlvEusR4wjvCfc7 GM8OMDU7EdIMYGMAUAsJAWQzNpMRYAulNCAQAipcDrIDAZAOEDkgPEhUTUBMIGRpcj0eMHI8Pn0d 8wAhAzAfQWRv5wDgH0EKsVxxGLAfQRDwbwMwH6URYB2rMx2AHqBFTEFEH3AdrDc3HpBUcElUTEUj nR1wDvBSIGU6IExGJnBZT4IgHXAtMDEuag4A6SOtODUekC8k3x5CCuMuICk/Kk8OEDYO8DxNQEVU QSBuYQeAPQBHRU5FUkFUTxxSIAWgAjAJ8HQ9IoMF4B6zOC4wMC4c4OcnMShwKIA0IiOdJiEosC8j XyXxK38eQTURYDxCOE9EWSOdHPEy72c5IjYekERJVh72IGnEZD03wE9XQSZQC1BgeVRleHQmIDAQ M/8feQAAIKUhQyEBIZ81DzYfnzcnOS86PztDHck2ND66EzsPHiQ0OB6QRk9O1FQgAJB6LYAyPqsL 4lk66URlCsEmkCwdnTX9NtEvRFIfeR+HQPsBwB+HrwqiSXgKgB2sMCMhLzcB/0jPQu88Xz1vPn8/ j0mvQa//Ts9Dz0TfRexHX0hvTp8eBYI4HYAmbmJzcAKA+R+YJ2EBQFQ/Sq9Lv0zP/03fXO9P/1EP Uh9TL1+fVU9vZL9Xb1h/Rd5vB5EAcHmBBuBkeSBrbm8H4NZzA3ARQGgLgGdwsAbgAnUFQFVBOUNT P7ggSGFwqAdAGNBhcRHFEQBkcLAgUVMm4APwF3HQdDAHcCACICAxM3o3cuBJbkAJ4HUhBCBj+wdA AyBvAYAJ8DewA6Bx0Kd2MHWhcTBIemfQeBLQ/QpAcy5wBcAAcHRhc9VzEHprCYAgAhB4wW5AecIo GnATMWUAwAMQKSBi7XJhZxFALUBvcLED4ASQfi5y8HYxcxN3MXihB5B053HyJpB00GVibkEucHjT 1XYRbQQgdHwAYnYwfFDRdrFxcnZ8gEQEAAGQfG5jdjB6AgeAN7BwoWKnBUAjEC9ga21HMHcRAPUF QHcIYGx0YH+RfUp3QQBERkNXMyA7Lf4pWn9bj0l/YI9hn2KvY7//bG9l32bvZ/9pD2ofay9sP/9t T25fb2+Ev4XPi/9dr16//5HPiD+JT4pfmW+Mf42Pjp//j6+Qv50vkt+iT5T/lg9GCppTLnBmAHCh AEs3hDD/l9+Y74bfne+e/6APoR+pz9e0X7VvHZw1qzEvNE8l8S8koTFwHsEfcH28UAAeADUQAQAA AFcAAAA8MzhBNTFCNzRCODg0RDc0MDgzRDc5NTBBRDBERDg1RTgyQTFBQUFARmlsZS1TZXJ2ZXIt SFNULmhzdC5lLXRlY2huaWsudHUtZGFybXN0YWR0LmRlPgAAHgA5EAEAAABNAAAAPDVBNDMwRkQ3 QzE3NjQ5MzBBOTMxRDY4QTlDNjc0Q0I4QG5zOTRkMDFhZTRkODUwPiA8NEI1Qzg4NTIuODA1MDYw NEBtYWlsLnJ1PgAAAAAeAEcQAQAAAA8AAABtZXNzYWdlL3JmYzgyMgAACwDyEAEAAAAfAPMQAQAA ACAAAABMAEYAJQAzAEEAIABVAEEAOQBDAFMALgBFAE0ATAAAAAsA9hAAAAAAQAAHMEJQug0qncoB QAAIMATKg60qncoBAwDeP69vAAADAPE/BwQAAB4A+D8BAAAADwAAAFN0ZWZhbiBTY2jkZmVyAAAC Afk/AQAAAFwAAAAAAAAA3KdAyMBCEBq0uQgAKy/hggEAAAAAAAAAL089SFNUL09VPUVSU1RFIEFE TUlOSVNUUkFUSVZFIEdSVVBQRS9DTj1SRUNJUElFTlRTL0NOPVNDSEFFRkVSAB4A+j8BAAAAFQAA AFN5c3RlbSBBZG1pbmlzdHJhdG9yAAAAAAIB+z8BAAAAHgAAAAAAAADcp0DIwEIQGrS5CAArL+GC AQAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAwD9P+QEAAADABlAAAAAAAMAGkAAAAAAAwAdQAAAAAADAB5AAAAAAB4AMEAB AAAACQAAAFNDSEFFRkVSAAAAAB4AMUABAAAACQAAAFNDSEFFRkVSAAAAAB4AMkABAAAAIwAAAG93 bmVyLXJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAAB4AM0ABAAAADgAAAHJhM3lvQG1haWwu cnUAAAAeADhAAQAAAAkAAABTQ0hBRUZFUgAAAAAeADlAAQAAAAIAAAAuAAAAAwB2QP////8LACkA AAAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAGEKw4RA0DAAcQFQEAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABE RUFSTEYsRE9FU0FOWUJPRFlLTk9XU09NRVRISU5HQUJPVVRVQTlDUz9IQVNBTllCT0RZQUxSRUFE WUhBREFRU09XSVRISElNT04xMzc/SVNFRUhJU0NBTExPRlRFTklOVEhFAAAAAAIBfwABAAAAVwAA ADwzOEE1MUI3NEI4ODRENzQwODNENzk1MEFEMEREODVFODJBMUFBQUBGaWxlLVNlcnZlci1IU1Qu aHN0LmUtdGVjaG5pay50dS1kYXJtc3RhZHQuZGU+AAAM7g== ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D2A.AD77DE42-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b5c87bd39d; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b5c87bb2fc8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report! Roman - RW3ADB 73! Andrey, Andre, Andy :) > Hello Warren , Roman , > > Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI073-ead04b4ddb6d78; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9CDB0380000BC; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4NC-0003f9-C4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4NB-0003f0-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:01 +0000 Received: from mail0.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.105] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV4N9-0007xE-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:01 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw03.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.190]) by imbaspam-ss03.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id o0DEcp59009872 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:53 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw03.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o0DEXsrd003687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:50 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.2; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:20 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:20 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'lf group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)'" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:38:19 +0000 Thread-Topic: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Thread-Index: AcqUXgv3B5uYj3YTQQ26W/JrzdXrzg== Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086exlnmb01eurns_" Subject: LF: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4ddb6b7b41 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF group, I had yesterday 2 decodes of WD2XSH/17 on 500KHz: 2010-01-13 02:40 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -28 0 FN42pb 10 DD7PC = JN49ax 5858 52 Not bad for my rx setup. In the WSPR documentation i can read WSPR software does all filtering and= it does matter to use small filters or switch off AGC, but i think using= mode CW with all small filters on my transceiver improved my reception la= st night very much. In the new version of WSPR 2.0 it's possible to set th= e BFO setting from 1500Hz to 700Hz which allow me now to use WSPR in combi= nation with CW on my FT-857. To prove this i like to test the setup on 137KHz where the QRM situation= is much worse. Please can someone transmit this evening WSPR on 137KHz? Ideally after 10/= 11pm UTC. 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h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=L09IqAu5r+PA+mhifXRy0k3jml/cBu5mT+B6zPk9xnAoTvPkdLoTHwNaGjSVMq01CF t36UdnjEQi9M4bHY4CuKIY2n/gST3Nc302l4wsUkmNnwd8syiAfnkD1+s0s9yxKkrvnZ YGSNcb2+LFewhx7hDoWlny5zJS12mZzizeyKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.133 with SMTP id g5mr211465hbh.182.1264102064036; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:27:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:27:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864b58aaf35ee5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of getting antenna efficiency. Or ERP = I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 mal hamilton > Rik's figures are always exaggarated could be plus/minus 100 dB either > way. Recent dipole gain figures from Rik indicated that I am running 400 mw > erp. > whereas some months ago his estimate on received signals from me was 20 > plus watts and here there has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA. > Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL > GUESSWORK, think of a figure juggle it about and publish. > In the amateur context depending on site, theory and practical are often a > long way apart. > When I have queried these figures there is NO RESPONSE > G3KEV > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; James Moritz > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:04 PM > *Subject:* LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? > > Dear Jim, > > Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder > if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent > ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've > some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie > and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. > > Would much appreciate this. Thanks > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > --001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So go on:=A0 argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from bas= ic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way= of getting antenna efficiency.=A0=A0
=A0
Or=A0 ERP =3D=A0 =A0I^2 . Rrad=A0=A0 where I is measurable.
=A0
Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height= of the antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever= lead to 6dB error.=A0 The difference between no top hat and an infinite= top hat

Andy
www.g4jnt.com



2010/1/21 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Rik's figures are always exaggara= ted could be plus/minus 100 dB either way. Recent dipole gain figures=A0fr= om=A0Rik=A0indicated that I am running 400 mw erp.
=A0=A0=A0 whereas some months ago his= estimate on received signals from me=A0was 20 plus watts and here there= =A0has been no changes here same old TX/ANTENNA.
=A0Figures from others over the years have been totally wrong, ALL GUESS= WORK, think of a figure=A0juggle it about and=A0publish.
In the amateur context depending on= site, =A0theory and practical=A0are often a long way apart.
When=A0I have queried these figures= there is NO RESPONSE
G3KEV
=A0=A0=A0
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:= 04 PM
Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of= some new ERP estimates please?

Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF reflect= or in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expe= rtise to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM pl= ease. Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT= is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic= or whether the truth is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f453347c9b9a047db1b2bd-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b40e9a8230; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:02:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8ADE73801122C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVPO-00041n-7V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVPN-00041e-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVPM-0001Pk-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:42:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 55409 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 18:42:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262544147; bh=JN0t9eWZ6+DC+92DtFN5qjtQIdA+Cl2UmUXMhXF40Ho=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rF+7zrVMynNHCgak8t5IMpDJOsTcT4pFO2XjVOkSjJpoHXtMmaAa57bvnRDuYVRKQDkhr9XBP0dn3eTT3y8hK1wwcj3LSS2sNKVpS1Kg7CRcSmEgeyBER89PNrqPPLlxsOSjbF4iI4RvLksIqZKkni51XF9kQJtD47le7/cl8H0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YfbTYGuLBJRxRsjyl2UgNAc32jGPLRnoRtAlCORQrDd8Bk4AuqGPJyadjNzpH+jmiDvb0M7/lYLyCQlQBRnVbpcAkJCuVfLyE5FbqFiUIESnY5YtnM4YcBZeCpDTGhNu5UC3pOxpijJMqhkEGmytEQfK1Mss1XdhbDCNEnT0olw=; Message-ID: <702494.54342.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y4IPIQEVM1lXF_fbl2II9rPC8.TQ5XoB8WFi4FtEtEPi4Z5m8lx7vV_SITyLjCG_VQHLFJVYgm49oX67BZAWljWXzrntCDpaTWlmXUDyuy36OI4ZL3XsoHiyhPBdOfk2G7doqlrA3aCW7_My0jxff7qq_q2NvKgKxNXEsdZ8A19GNe9ZW.OGtRLM8ffFQAYwHB0EDsLwZ0_VDi1N6ILV4jtdfyglyed7keYdrjqdvuXy3muaarfYa718ZuWzCCT2XTcJOuVSvT_z_5dqmVeeVt0- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:42:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-78812086-1262544147=:54342" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b40e54f5917 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Mal =A0 I=A0heard=A0PA0A the other night while you and UEP were CQing. I should ha= ve called him but because of the warning I sat it out. He probably would= not=A0have heard me any way.=A0Too bad, I will try=A0a QSO the=A0next I= hear him.=A0 73 es=A0HNY =A0petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 18:19 Michael Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A first QSO at midnight 2010, first= ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk contact. mal/g3kev =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Ypma, S.H. ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To All LF, =A0 Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently=A0received pe= rmissions=A0(via VRZA)=A0to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0= A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible misundersta= ndings=A0caused by=A0my previous email to the reflector.=A0The Dutch Telec= om Authorities nor VRZA=A0have publicised anything on their=A0Internet=A0s= ites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been informed= about anything yet. =A0 Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his=A0acheivements! =A0 Best Regards / Best 73's =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done Mal
 
I heard PA0A the other night while you and UEP were CQing.= I should have called him but because of the warning I sat it out. He prob= ably would not have heard me any way. Too bad, I will try a= QSO the next I hear him. 

73 es HNY  petefmt
--- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>= wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 18:19

Michael
Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A= first QSO at midnight 2010, first ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA= 0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk contact.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Sanders
Cc: Ypma, S.H.= ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in= PA have apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to tran= smit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this and= I appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my pr= evious email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA=  have publicised anything on their Internet sites until now= and the VERON members (like myself) have not been informed about anything= yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in order for= his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>= ; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT=
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T




=20 --0-78812086-1262544147=:54342-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a8c4b535545323; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:22:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b535545323; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:22:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZjr-0007xL-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWZjr-0007xC-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWZjp-0008Fm-FD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:39 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783A6820C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jay,all, i tuned my rx to 510 khz and will see what happens this night.Spots wi= ll be uploaded to the database, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.ne= t Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 13:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Rik WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0= dial USB overnight tonight -=20 wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR >I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering= on 511550 last night, but=20 >with little European audience. > An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd li= ke to give it a chance. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9c74b4e43ea24; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME073-9c74b4e43ea24; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBLN-0005Nq-DX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVBLM-0005Nh-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVBLK-0003oC-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7327D3B452 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi, > > Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this > signal. > My guess is LA3EQ - has been very unstable, but does decode occasionally here. John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b5caccf337; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:25:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5756238000068; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ90u-0000rv-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ90u-0000rm-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ90q-0002Bz-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:52 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so1872900pwj.4 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=sXMQuI8jhfFqca1XIyGP+Af+8faaFNQFDjenDf86Mw4=; b=KK0BQgVcwXp6qCRHhZig0GJUII0P2J/NOq6+fOFfGTfRsP23lgv1Gp15jeSkeRLD/C qFDpZl1rz0aaelLoU6nf42I50UryC3dhyYKXVMhsbGIAv5qtRfEaNWXLyEZVmOKmRFdt fGvMbqfcTzK6T44L6q0pAcIAQP4rnhzARdSe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ozlPikxsh++L9M+/WDDY5ZMW63wGwz0Fk3Th90r+YDPJ0jQeu2fWDQRICNqYHRs7LS YSUcaxwV36pIFWTzgKTetc0O2sJ6xdPsz66Tyu6a60vujWL8rYFiZwnrLQp4h5xR2NNV H84GqaRppaGJ2qFjUU3K8wIx9FwRxvKzVeIhI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.35 with SMTP id g35mr3539888rvb.7.1264364680586; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001241154l1e26018dw9c703baa01bc388d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001241154l1e26018dw9c703baa01bc388d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:24:40 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 543657378695a65b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001241224p7cb53b80o7f22ac7f44e41b47@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Graham Brown - G0NBD DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd242a0a72537047deed75d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b5caccd198f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd242a0a72537047deed75d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b --000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, LF, Got a complete picture now, resolution not too good. Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/24 Gary - G4WGT > Graham, > > Here is the picture so far. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Graham, LF! >> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >> >> Set dial 501.500 : USB >> Audio set 1500 Hz >> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >> >> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! >> >> Reports ? >> >> Tnx - Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. >> > > --000e0cd242a0a7252c047deed75b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, LF,

Got a complete picture now, resolution not= too good.

Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/24 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Graham,

Here is the pi= cture so far.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.ukDate: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV= 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=A0 fro= m=20 Multipsk on 503.000
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Set=A0 dial=A0 501.500 : USB <= /div>
Audio set 1500 Hz
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Very slow data=A0 rate .....=A0 might= =A0=20 take a=A0 while to=A0 show=A0 1 line !
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Reports ?
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Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
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To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jay I had a brief look and saw u at 2230 -20db. I did not monitor beyond this time. There seems to be a peak at my QTH around 2130 - 2300 utc for TA signals. It could very well peak at other times during the nite but I do not monitor all night. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Rik > > Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > > Jay, > > > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > > Reports via wsprnet.org > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > > > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > >> USB. Some stations will begin > >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > >> Stations may be adjusting their > >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > >> power column. Any and all reports, > >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > >> > >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > >> continue on in WSPR mode > >> instead. > >> > >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b52ed2e383; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:57:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2104A3800009C; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSoQ-0003oC-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSoQ-0003o3-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWSoO-000641-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:54 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWE0018C12LHE@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:56:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:56:36 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_11b6UGmaxXClNPXun04kuA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b52ed2d4127 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_11b6UGmaxXClNPXun04kuA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GWYzomGXXP1xctg2ZurE6Q)" --Boundary_(ID_GWYzomGXXP1xctg2ZurE6Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Nice capture VX9MRC, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 16-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Joe,LF
Nice capture VX9MRC,
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA9610.BFC592C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b4a6091fe; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:19:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B33D38000088; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU73Z-0006oK-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU73Y-0006oB-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:48 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU73V-0005UD-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:48 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so378530fga.10 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ARjnHHKo70p9NsJGD4BxO2p+BhrVOhDRQDuhXUcSER4=; b=SDk8NBE/6/c7AqrUmiaykJGQD0A43DtAYAMTxXe1uj8a0ezYnTECphlL5hNs6ipTrk Fw7Sq5m/iwNFHdPPvIjoUiaZx0hRbxVe6FQ7zaPSjnWDWV2//Hu38GZ0a7rCyynSb0IX 1f5F9elhMc6ekvrF1YSLBFDRdK3XgFdVSDVhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BjlblmqyCOWCyTVbZbD1DLWyk8Y0rEhmtpBnSQ2h4Dzp84oCzxPaF4gYcwC4LDJ40Y a/zrdG1Thnsr/Ixgaedk+k2UA5rWA6UIpICMYccWtV+/zypxL/6/cJD9mAxT6qB035zX 00p0D3Ht0WByJ7bLBYudgQNmwtuZOHsuuxX0M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.146 with SMTP id p18mr823329hbh.208.1263165523294; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:18:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b4a6090185b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A serious appeal to all the CW and QRS(S) ops on this reflector. I'm interested in what can *really* be achieved in terms of readability of weak CW . For the calculations mentioned earlier I made the assumption the best listeners can *read* 20 - 30WPM in 10dB S/N in a 30Hz bandwidth, without repeats, which equates to -9dB S/N in the standardised 2500Hz. It is possible to detect a tone significantly lower than this, (I can positively detect a 600Hz tone at -25dB S/N in 2500Hz, but wouldn't know immediately if it was switched on/off) but first-time readability is essential. If anyone can measure S/N accurately and have measured your CW receiving capability, it would be interesting to get confirmation or otherwise that this assumption is not too-far-out. Same applies to QRS(S) although this I suspect is less amenable to any additional processing gain from learning and experience. S/N can be determined from any spectrogram software offering a spectrum rather than waterfall display. Note the height of the tone spike above the average noise level; this is the S/N in the bandwidth of the FFT Bin Determine this value if it is not stated as a 'resolution' or any similar name. If not given specifically, resolution BW can be calculated from Sampling rate divided by FFT size. Eg 11025Hz sampling with 4096 point FFT gives a resolution of 2.7Hz. The normalised 2500Hz value is then obtained from S/N [2.5k] = S/N [measured] - 10.LOG (Resolution BW / 2500). If you can't measure S/N, record the marginal you've 100% copied and I will measure it. Please be honest about this. If some CW experts clain they can out-perform any appliance operator, lets see the figures that prove it. Andy www.g4jnt.com --001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A serious appeal to all the CW and QRS(S) ops on this reflector.=A0= =A0
=A0
I'm interested in what can really be achieved in terms= of readability of weak CW .=A0 For the calculations mentioned earlier=A0I= made the assumption the best listeners can read 20 - 30W= PM in 10dB S/N in a 30Hz bandwidth, without repeats,=A0which equates to -9= dB S/N in the standardised 2500Hz. It is possible to detect a=A0tone signi= ficantly lower than this, (I can positively detect a 600Hz=A0tone at -25dB= S/N=A0in 2500Hz, but wouldn't know immediately if it was switched on/= off) =A0but first-time readability is essential.=A0=A0 If anyone can measu= re S/N accurately and have measured your CW receiving capability, it would= be interesting to get confirmation or otherwise that this assumption is= not too-far-out.=A0
Same applies to QRS(S) although this I suspect is less amenable to an= y additional processing gain from learning and experience.
=A0
S/N can be determined from any spectrogram software offering=A0 a=A0s= pectrum rather than waterfall display.=A0=A0=A0 Note the=A0height of the= tone spike above the average noise level;=A0 this is the S/N in the bandw= idth of the FFT Bin=A0=A0 Determine this=A0value if it is not stated as=A0= a 'resolution' or=A0any similar name.=A0
If not given specifically, resolution BW can be=A0calculated from Sam= pling rate=A0divided by=A0FFT size.=A0 Eg 11025Hz sampling with 4096 point= FFT gives a resolution of 2.7Hz.
The normalised 2500Hz value is then obtained from S/N [2.5k] =3D=A0= S/N [measured]=A0=A0 -=A0 10.LOG (Resolution BW / 2500).=A0=A0
If you can't measure S/N, record the marginal you've 100% cop= ied=A0and I will measure it.
=A0
Please be honest about this.=A0 If=A0some CW experts clain they can= out-perform any appliance operator, lets see the figures=A0that prove it.=
--001485f795f44ef961047cd7a40e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b577eca10e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:08:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B722A38000174; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiho-0000Uc-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiho-0000UT-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXihl-0008OW-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so687660bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J4QAcS8bDMaypHet4iIwn2Uvz/OBl65wxzMEAcKAoiU=; b=UTdxRWC5oVyYTqOmMjqHfxcOtixrmfbCX+hNJ3EQ69AvAZYoU8NZVA2WXXdsj3VYRz hdvoQGnS0JtPKUVvOECfHmBfMNzODkW2u88p00IFKwwXFeFSsJH4NvVEhwqSniz8Cwpy sH0v2+XpAsU57g/bhlQt6TMYgRJ98J2m/A44Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Abslcyd2HWsmEzPy0Ir7OonfXTdg6iPrxzy32YgQy5EH1QpfhGYl0MTNHot7xIa0ZJ n2gysE4CMEt4p4mZpRlcGha21jBI+2OUzavbjqhtHnbdL2DDg2oFiJFw7H7CXL4auZFz cJWQXiO9QwZmd1P7UMAlMbK1G5vF8vybEPajo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr327432bka.72.1264025227007; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b577ec857b3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! Thank you *so very very much* for finding my tiny signal. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843aa49673047d9fce86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!!

Thank you so very very much for= finding my tiny signal.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0= =A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
=
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD= ? Dal=B9= =ED informace.



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b50bfc4047d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, Maybe I should have also noted that what I was receiving extended from 503.450 to 504.550. 73, Lee. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 15 January 2010 18:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Lee, the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b608e9115a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB0D6380001E0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDC2-0003kn-W1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDC2-0003ke-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDC0-0005GO-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74032700008D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 67791700008E for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.49.78]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 20DE7700008D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:04:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100127190437134.20DE7700008D@mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <4CFBCAA9F17D40F285E67FB0EF3C7374@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:04:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GB4FPR to day qso / reports anyone ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b608e8f4e5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks =20 Mal G3KEV for the rst 559 report , first outing on the re-hashed= station=20 using the loop for tx and rx=20 Gary G4WGT for the comparative screen captures =20 Apologies to Roger GW3UEP , apparently did call but no qso, note= from John, your signal=20 much improve from last time=20 Intending to run the station this Saturday day / evening=20 Tnx - Graham .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks 
 
Mal G3KEV for the  rst  559=   report=20 , first outing on the  re-hashed station
using the  loop  for = tx and =20 rx
 
Gary  G4WGT for the  compar= ative=20 screen  captures  
 
Apologies  to  Roger GW3UEP= ,=20 apparently  did  call  but no  qso, note from John= ,=20  your  signal
much improve  from last time
 
Intending to  run the  stat= ion this =20 Saturday day / evening 
 
Tnx - Graham .=20


------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01CA9F83.91873590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-864a4b5cb1d0322; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:47:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41A313800020A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9Lk-0001Qx-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9Lk-0001Qo-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9Li-0002WN-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:46:24 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEF220000068 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DE4F2000005C for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5CB19C.9030501@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:46:20 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050509040908060700090100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b5cb1cf239b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050509040908060700090100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Dear MF, > just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > Dear Walter, i am uploading automatically ur wspr signals to wspr database., however i forgot to change the dial frequency in wspr software window so the first 4 decodes have errors in the freq. display.. Of course, now it is corrected.. :) Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------050509040908060700090100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:
Dear MF,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP.
73=C2=A0=C2=A0 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
=C2=A0
Dear Walter,
i am uploading automatically=C2=A0 ur wspr signals to wspr database., however i=C2=A0 forgot to change the dial frequency in wspr software windo= w
=C2=A0so the first 4 decodes have errors in the freq. display.. Of course, now it is corrected.. :)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------050509040908060700090100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b4a34ea384; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:13:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2771738000073; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU491-00058r-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU490-00058i-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU48x-0000pW-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100110200702.WAYH17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:02 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU43w-000421-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:02 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003001ca9230$75ecf730$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSLu0/yVhBN7kRQEaDA7KkYgRKnwAAJoSw X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=8Qw2kvqKHfsA:10 a=pjcCXyNfAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=zAJiCMBNcDy5foPin4oA:9 a=YCEbx47TukVGdz8QxvMA:7 a=wpwfRCS0WVSyL0cZGGbPMwSisYYA:4 a=8mcaF2JIRJ8A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=c7oDjeM3COfeBqVa:21 a=jaiUaaSr9cAuKbHw:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=6LvAJLjWfmKXamQk7eYA:9 a=wzY1scjfzweyDnmRj2QA:7 a=GU8Zg-rVAc0McpNIfUYcOO0_iswA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b4a34e85634 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All I have been inputting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly some assumptions need to be made as well as guesstimates but this may be able to give an idea of the range expected at a given power, and assuming x hops etc. http://www.aubraux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php Putting in Roger's power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception report of -20dB) then it gives for a -20dB signal a "gain factor" for WSPR of 65dB. This seems rather implausibly high so I'm obviously missing a trick somewhere. RF Link Budget Calculator RF Link Budget Calculator: To calculate power at the receiver input, enter values in the empty boxes below. Transmitter Power W Transmitter Center Frequency Hz Transmit Antenna Gain dB Distance Between Antennas km Receive Antenna Gain dB Other Losses dB Results EIRP = -28.20 dBW Wavelength = 596.42 m Free Space Loss = 86.39 dB Received Power = -49.59 dBW = 1.10E-5 W = -19.59 dBm = 1.10E-2 mW With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe Jim, if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting James Cowburn : Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All

 

I have been inp= utting some numbers into the calculator from the link below, clearly some assumptions need to= be made as well as guesstimates but this may be able to give an idea of the range= expected at a given power, and assuming x hops etc.

 

 

http://www.au= braux.com/design/rf-link-budget-calculator.php

 

Putting in Roge= r’s power of 1mW and a distance of 990km (his best and reception report of -20dB) then it= gives for a -20dB signal a “gain factor” for WSPR of 65dB.

 

This seems rath= er implausibly high so I’m obviously missing a trick somewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

RF= Link Budget Calculator

RF Link Budget Calculator: To calculate power at the re= ceiver input, enter values in the empty boxes below.

 

Transmitte= r Power

W

 

Transmitter Center Frequency

Hz

 

Transmit= Antenna Gain

dB

 

 

 

 

 

Distance= Between Antennas

km

 

 

 

 

 

Receive An= tenna Gain

dB

 

Other Loss= es

dB

 

 

= Results

 

EIRP

=3D

-28.20

dBW

Wavelength=

=3D

596.42

m

Free Space Loss

=3D

86.39

dB

 

 

 

 

Received Power

=3D

-49.59

dBW

 

=3D

1.10E-5

W

 

=3D

-19.59

dBm

 

=3D

1.10E-2

mW

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010= 19:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Do we know how= many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR)= depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:=

 Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of=  a link budget for WSPR over a set distance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my  = ;current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the  limit= for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly  estimating or= indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range  (EMR) at that powe= r setting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if &nb= sp;one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should  b= e possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at  = ;a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further  = ;would the remaining  8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming  = ;the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their  capabili= ty is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB  difference over= known paths/signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all=  for a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.= net<blocked::mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net>







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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA9230.75ECF730-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB014-a1884b57890f282; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:51:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F20BF380000F3; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjO7-0001vN-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjO6-0001vE-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:58 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjO4-0001iy-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:58 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0KMoewp024823 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c51.63d8a68a (43908) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229232080.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.232.80]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC075-ab844b5788bb3d2; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1B318EE0DCE5448BB69F386CF6956CEE@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b57890c710c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, looks like the recent solar flares have created a duct (for beer?) bet= ween UK and OK ;-) Excellent QRP work! 73, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:42 PM Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date:= 01/19/10 17:49:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDt= a=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
looks like the recent solar flares have create= d a duct=20 (for beer?) between UK and OK ;-)
 
Excellent QRP work!
 
73, Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 20,= 2010 11:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK

Hello Eddie, LF!

2214  = ; 4 =20 1.9   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37

2216 -29  2.0   0.503819&= nbsp; 0=20 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230   8  2.1  = =20 0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37

My next UK station in WSPR!=20 Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh= ! Congratulations=20 Roger.

 

Lubo= s you have the=20 Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP= is=20 on..

 

73

 

Eddie= =20 G3ZJO

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: 20= January 2010=20 22:01
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratula= tions,  "water=20 pistol"

1200km -= a very comfortable margin=20 too.

 

2010/1/20= Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hot= mail.com>

Hello Roger,=20 LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2 =  =20 0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16pt">2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910&= nbsp; 1 G3XBM JO02=20 0
Congratulation!

Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7:= Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten=20 prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED=20 informace.

 

No virus found in thi= s incoming=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus= Database:=20 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00

<= /DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA9A2B.5C1B6190-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-6044b54cc1c15e; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b54cc1c15e; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:01:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyhz-0006t4-OU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyhz-0006sv-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyhx-0003Tg-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EFD0F7000093 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E38D47000094 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.143]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 92CF07000093 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100118210015601.92CF07000093@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <297174A53F4C442EA0EF7C9E320F68FC@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:00:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9881.358E93E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope your not trying to send some one up are you Pete ? G =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:04 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there! 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski = wrote: From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? To: "137khz" Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09 Dear LF group, I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues,= however i thought it would be interesting to some readers... Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially= about hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a= sort of "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboa= rd a satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF si= gnals and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could ch= ase his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply make a= qso...) Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $= so adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this group= and we may have our "LF/MF toy" in space :) =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0070_01CA9881.358E93E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hope your  not  trying to&n= bsp;=20 send  some one up are you  Pete ?
 
G  

From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space???

Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there!

73 es= GL=20 petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski &= lt;sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>
Subject:=20 LF: LF/MF into space???
To: "137khz" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /A>>
Date:=20 Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09

Dear  LF group,
I know, it is&n= bsp;=20 rather  outside  of a regular  LF/MF  issu= es,=20 however i  thought it would  be interesting to some= =20 readers...
Recently,  i got an info about Tubesat Sate= llite=20 Kit:
http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm
{= please,=20 read also the pdf file  for more details, especially abou= t hardware=20 and software already included in this Kit }
Ok, due to its= price (=20 8.000 US$) -  for me, it is simply  a sort of=20 "entertainment"  being amateur radio related, however,i can=20 imagine  a construction of  uplink/downlink  se= tup=20 onboard a satellite  including  miniwhip antenna for=  =20 RX'ing  of  LF/MF  signals
and sending them= back to=20 earth  on 70 cm  band  ( one could chase = his/her=20 own signal  playing with Doppler etc.. or simply  ma= ke a=20 qso...)
Of course, the above price covers   = rocket=20 launch .

            &nbs= p;  =20                 &= nbsp;73 de=20 Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:  Lodz/jo91rs/
p.s. i just though= t  i=20 could throw-in  a 'penny' , say, 100 $  so  add= ing other=20 79  members ( i mean , their penny) of this group and we&= nbsp; may=20 have
our "LF/MF toy"  in space   :)&nbs= p;=20




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Have u got ur wires crossed. How do u get ur figures for a dipole at 100 ft high on 500. as 0.25 ohm Rr I am not looking for a QRO pa to get to 10w erp g3kev From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b874b578a4a33e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD071-b874b578a4a33e; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjTT-000243-Uf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjTT-00023u-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjTQ-0001lj-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:31 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB23B4EB for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:44 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100120225644.04d410cf@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:34 +0100 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > > 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 > This gets better and better! John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b509d2b204; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:51:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C99AA3800007A; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpNr-0001aU-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpNr-0001aL-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpNp-0000Vn-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:51 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1006145ewy.29 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e52YZf0ZwXRIUGzLzWi4VbkBL/psweTsIsaCZHbTydY=; b=ObOjmR1lfh5igdOXX/EFaYt1g3f2ly8n+YSUmS/jW2e6e3OZjX/7a32BJMS1rBzU5l OtlopaCnMVmINj2awQJCQoXwfbmoqwtXb9vvacbsChLuYLcl4MwnQFiFrCSiSYfooVpn 8rBsR4tAUuNT9HVys9Jc/cPf6YkIef6uOp5iU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hKKcv2PRPYbVbOYxFUAODKQewwdcOZCS7unh9o+l/2AuV7vSoPoGexF4ycapO2sNml dreaLlccDKJXC/iVwflG9rS9XAefDzNypMZck3BrQMIPl+8q4Z8/g+b0JceXhG7q4c/A /PJ7DnAvIpaMDfXaJS8qd3ZQJPwe/W6XKwpJw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.132 with SMTP id u4mr934956wee.191.1263574238951; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:50:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: <001301ca95ff$de6858e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:50:38 +0000 Message-ID: <8bf118411001150850l6bcdc752na7b131104d3d4841@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b509d296148 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo > LF Group > > > > Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my > coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com= >

LF Group

=A0

Yesterday I= increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached= its limits.

=A0



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G= 3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
--0016e6d56698a8f974047d36cde5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-86054b50744b1b2; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:57:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69F1D38000056; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmez-0008Tb-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVmez-0008TS-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVmex-0003Ay-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E2151C021 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:55:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6A331E702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:55:56 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:56:05 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21869249==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b5074481899 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_21869249==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Anyone come across these? > >http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > >I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > >73, >Lee M0LMH. > --=====================_21869249==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
 
Anyone come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 
--=====================_21869249==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-86004b4b414715b; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:18:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE0E238000076; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM0W-0003eN-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM0V-0003eD-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:39 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUM0T-0006y4-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:38 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BFGPSW030574 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:25 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c9c.5cb455e5 (43907) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC074-ab834b4b40bd169; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:20 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:16:12 +0000 Message-Id: <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b4b414316d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was intended to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any effective radiation. One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be considered a "message"! If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot determine whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a listener under the regulations. My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions to which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, John P-G wrote ... > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your Licence: > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > conducting technical investigations.... > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > addition to it. > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > 73 > > David G4DMP > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b530d0b2bf; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:13:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A5593800010B; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUvv-0004wH-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWUvv-0004w8-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWUvt-0006yO-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=14348 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NWUvn-00013G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:12:39 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000801ca9776$bdfe1180$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <002801ca9770$db2de5b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:10:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b530d0a3609 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jay, ERP 50W? 73 Andrey > Rik > > WE2XGR/2 (maybe other XGR's as well) is planning to run WSPR on 510.0 dial USB overnight tonight - > wx permitting. Will announce here later in the day. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:11 AM > Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR > > >>I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but >>with little European audience. >> An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-86a54b5c7c3c233; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:58:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAA983800014A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5mX-0007KW-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ5mX-0007KN-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ5mU-0000hv-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4GAOcKXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIKMwOhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="300169434" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 16:57:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100124161714.4uoabirs6os8wggo@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b5c7c3a36c0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to QRSS3. In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Eddie, first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to sunset. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > period of the screenshot. > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > Grabbers. > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi Eddie, > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > 1245utc. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > 73 > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave > G3WCB > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi, Eddie. > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > contains elements of both modes! > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of > g3zjo > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > To: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-8bcb4b4b999f3db; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:35:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8426B38000102; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NURtv-0005mF-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NURtu-0005m6-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:14 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURto-0001F7-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:34:14 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111212903.EQSX4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:29:03 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NURos-00049W-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:29:03 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <019801ca9305$14cd9f60$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001ca9252$1b65f240$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSUkoAfg29Muo7S7mNP9fisdQvawAscYNw X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=8Qw2kvqKHfsA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xMqyt3UgjxdnjCguF4YA:9 a=BDRFzisxNfwToGLRM68A:7 a=XI7nYwZrqk4w780n380rqZBhSTgA:4 a=ftx3PimO_ywA:10 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=ESaNNTV9vPqTbjqu:21 a=mpCNt4wGCMLj1mgP:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=rnjTaxgTU2JznvQ55TIA:9 a=XGxwT880DwO3lXbCYX0A:7 a=cS22jEknwkEmvhCY_3xqH3IJTlYA:4 a=tVPGMQhxPUiaUzPx:21 a=sWPS5rQx1gq_h8zk:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0199_01CA9305.14CD9F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b4b999c547b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0199_01CA9305.14CD9F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are obviously mainly engineers here!. A question was asked, and has been responded too in some considerable depth and detail and diverging opinions proffered. The questioner now knows a little more than he did at the start, but without an explicit answer to the question asked, other than "it depends"! Of course if we were consultants we would tell people what they already knew after asking them first and then charge them for it! Thanks for all the replies, and It looks like I am going to need "considerably bigger buns"! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 11 January 2010 00:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Thanks Andy and all interested in the group for the information. Surely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009. Results so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 content. My MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :- "Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and some small font Hell which looks best on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it should not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns." I have run MEPT's on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen? As I have mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more complex stuff and full Call Sign.. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 10 January 2010 21:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Making comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like. A WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level. Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM. If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of 1 second. So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use. The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately. So if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes three times longer for the same message. Its rather more complicated in reality, as this simple ccomparison assumes the QRS signal is copied with zero errors. As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error correction To compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes, WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/10 Roger Lapthorn Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. 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But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9e14b561e2d19f; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME105-9e14b561e2d19f; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:03:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLDd-0003Nh-Eo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLDd-0003NY-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:33 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLDZ-0000B7-0O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:32 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2765184pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:02:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=j0QGGY26wOh4dn52VgX2/R0PjwY5bIzhtUbdRN58IJE=; b=sfF6OxSkUCtAxg+eyRDuIrb+zbXWm/wDOJMnSHIs0G1vGIf8am0uzZsu2DMYemLbVg 7eCkrKV/nK6eFqqbuGVAxY/dUMCeHNTpR3vrgzZ0Erff/uR7rX+d1zoda+rxJcWlYpxn nPWa/av62vnCjRi67Mvza5ZLgsTDyDf8D9oXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=b/yLrKuPDpXbeEuJKf3kJ7VkJylRJBYu2ByJ1X79tFv3zdcnxXZZMdYmboCYILdjXV 4Z8Dp5khP2IeWR84z849s4l+Udpx+mI0Ad0N2MNIWSapG+3Y6QGv9wP8uYv49q0NJrgI A6fWPcibRInm0YYahESaEGHTOYVrdZjgZLNEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5770965rvm.120.1263934940126; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:02:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> <1f0624b91001191208k26f8d77ex358b605719814b8c@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001191220s1b1fbd2ev97be0de63d4fe565@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:02:19 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f81b3e3123c4c128 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191302s63678102q7996f94940351e62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roger, Set your dial frequency to 502.300 kHz for centre frequency 503.600 kHz. I have tweeked my dial frequency to 502.320 kHz so I Tx on 503.600 kHz, there must be a small error in my system. Several decodes coming in now. Let me know if you are successful. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Roger Lapthorn > What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary please? > > 73s > Roger g3XBM > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Martin, >> >> Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx. >> >> I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You should be >> able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes. Now hoping >> for others to try decoding. >> >> I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that there are others decoding. >> I haven't tried the mode before, just monitored on HF. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Martin Evans >> >>> You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. >>> >>> At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. >>> >>> Can't decode it, of course. >>> >>> Martin GW3UCJ. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger,

Set your dial frequency to 502.300 kHz for ce= ntre frequency 503.600 kHz. I have tweeked my dial frequency to 502.320 kH= z so I Tx on 503.600 kHz, there must be a small error in my system.
<= div>

We are obviousl= y mainly engineers here!.   A question was asked, and has been responded too in some considerable de= pth and detail and diverging opinions proffered.  The questioner now know= s a little more than he did at the start, but without an explicit answer= to the question asked, other than “it depends”!=

 

Of course if we= were consultants we would tell people what they already knew after asking them first and then ch= arge them for it!

 

Thanks for all= the replies, and It looks like I am going to need “considerably bigger buns”!

 

With best regards=

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

&= nbsp;

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 11 January 2010= 00:08
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Tha= nks Andy and all interested in the group for the information.

&nb= sp;

Sur= ely there is nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QR= SS3 on 500KHz. I have been running that experiment since the 17th= of November 2009.

&nb= sp;

Res= ults so far have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention= of the QRSS3 content.

&nb= sp;

My= MEPT runs a 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I po= sted this to the UK500KHz Group on the 28th of November 2009. :-

&nb= sp;

“Between the WSPR is QRSS= Morse and some small font Hell which looks best
on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it shou= ld
not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns.”

 

I have ru= n MEPT’s on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occ= upancy bands without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is go= ing to complain about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never bee= n seen?

 

As I have= mentioned before, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big= antennas. There is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as= more complex stuff and full Call Sign..

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

&nb= sp;

-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Andy Talbo= t
Sent: 10 January 2010= 21:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

&nb= sp;

Mak= ing comparisons between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signall= ing rate, and it is only fair to compare like with like.

&nb= sp;

A= WSPR transmission carries a callsign, a locator and a power level.  Approximately 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - he= nce about 1.2 WPM.  If 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate correspo= nds to a dot interval of 1 second.  So for a fair comparison, you = must compare WSPR with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops act= ually use.   The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots= which infers 5dB bandwidth improvement immediately.=

&nb= sp;

So= if, as I recall someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding cap= ability, then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS= takes three times longer for the same message.  

&nb= sp;

Its= rather more complicated in reality,  as this simple ccomparison assumes= the QRS signal is copied with zero errors.  As it involves fuzzy logic an= d human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error corr= ection

&nb= sp;

To= compare data modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expre= ssed in Bits/second/Hz 

See= http://www.g4jnt.com/= MartleSham.htm where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes,= WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate.=

&nb= sp;


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

201= 0/1/10 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlap= thorn@gmail.com>

Fair comment= Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical ran= ge limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB= for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see= what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM

201= 0/1/10 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the= trace been keyed it could have been identified.

I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal&nb= sp;CW or QRS CW

Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little= signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding noise.<= span lang=3DEN-GB>

RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningles= s.

Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time.<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

G3KEV

&nb= sp;

----- Original Message -----

<= b>From: Roger Lapthorn <= /font>

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM=

Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power= on WSPR

&nb= sp;

Certainly GM= 4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10d= B lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others= .

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

201= 0/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= /p>

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any= ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR ov= er a set distance?

As it seems I ca= n get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting= with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is the= re a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expe= cted Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there= are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916k= m with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining  8dB= or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability= as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for th= e dB difference over known paths/signals?<= o:p>

Thanks in advanc= e for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS=

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

 

 



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http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
http:/= /www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088

&nb= sp;

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Dear Walter, Pieter-Tjerk,
 
well Walter was probably referring to= the receiver=20 FPGA, running through those billions of calculations per second= =20 ;-)
 
Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio= from the Twente=20 receiver - hope you don't mind! I did set the carrier= to a low=20 frequency (300 Hz) so that WSPR can cope with the samplerate=20 interpolation.
 
73, and thanks again for this fascina= ting=20 resource!
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 201= 0 2:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Wa= lter=20 und Marianne Staubach wrote:

> Especially thanks to the=20 Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports between 19:54 and 07:= 32. ( The=20 operator in the receiver seems to be a hard-working guy ).
<= BR>Well...=20 I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR decoder= running=20 here, although I do hope to add that in the future.

So curren= tly the=20 WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by someone else who= feeds=20 audio from our site into a WSPR decoder.

73, Pieter-Tjerk,=20 PA3FWM


------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA9D05.7BDAE1E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-86544b4c695d10; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:21:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCE9B380008D5; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfje-0000YW-MM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfje-0000YN-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfjc-000057-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:20:34 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0CCKLRf029133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:50:22 -0330 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:50:21 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <5CFBFABB20E64C229ED9741C5FDED135@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5CFBFABB20E64C229ED9741C5FDED135@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VX9MRC tonight Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4c695a7631 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Helo Jim, Group, It is a pleasure to hear from you again, Jim, as well to learn that you were able to hear VX9MRC. Thank-you kindly for the report. The TX is a homebrewed class E with 40 V B+, and is beacon mode for now, running continuously 100 watts at 1.6 RF amps to a 100 metre wire at 10m height. 73 to all Joe VO1NA On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Well, Gus' SSB beacon is getting up to about S5 here at times, but I can also > hear (at 2238utc) VX9MRC on about 507.77kHz peaking up to about RST549, with > the usual deep QSB. I think this is the first time I have heard a readable > transatlantic CW signal on 500k. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-a2394b4f8e45ed; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:36:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9510738000081; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXLU-00037z-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXLU-00037p-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXLS-00084N-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:12 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so15825091fxm.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:35:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hdFy1QEfH2FpcwCRQWfDpAK5/B9MNJsPiXYKfZ/z5as=; b=ouuZgHcBvai6qDxw9P8282NBrTWKkbtp7/Ojboy5weeiO6kzWnq4viZn9q/pKEUKqN tn/c/S4eQe/4m/eneeVI743xKFv0OMnTOF6muE1ZF1bQZ9zf+u8luJs4wmEj30UR5mnu F+Ai3/GaKjCcKSAs7n2dCGqKGlnLSpdjbPKS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=E3ptG1BMsqDhNUyztd/3BklWKCGZGWz2VCyECWnH3ua8ZeVk6aUJ9ioDwpKb0LDI+C A0ZvBMk5KVpZZsMsv6VejGavY3Ss9GHmdrnZK6iisMhH4HOJGgTzqd2sGmDJETPsNaMO ECALTC/6t+YjpkQ34uWWmwBoF0E0lB9R8exQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.199 with SMTP id i7mr150825hbh.44.1263504904386; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:35:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b4f8e4217ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's how submarine communications antennas work on ELF (81Hz or whatever). A very long wire is grounded at the far end. the skin depth of poor conductivity ground results in a loop antenna with teh current returning deep in the ground Apparantly, a test was done in this country back in the 1960's, using a section of power grid line grounded at one end and a surplus power station run up, loading into it - presumably at a frequency shifted away from 50Hz. Sounds an interesting experiment although don't know what results were ever found. Think of the health and safety red-tape if anyone suggested something like that, these days. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/14 James Moritz > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Interestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces > an upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it > also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the ends" like > a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin loop, with the > missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacitance between the > wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing to try, but quite > hard to evaluate the results, I think! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > --001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's how submarine communications antennas work on ELF (81Hz or= whatever).=A0 A very long wire is grounded at the far end.=A0 the skin de= pth of poor conductivity ground results in a loop antenna with teh current= returning deep in the ground
=A0
Apparantly, a test was done in this country back in the 1960's,= using a section of=A0 power grid line grounded at one end and a surplus= power station run up, loading into it - presumably at a frequency shifted= away=A0from 50Hz.=A0
=A0
Sounds an interesting experiment although don't know what results= were ever found.=A0=A0 Think of the health and safety=A0red-tape if anyon= e suggested something like that, these days.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/14 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com= >
Dear Mal, LF Group,

Int= erestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces an= upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it= also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the en= ds" like a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin= loop, with the missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacita= nce between the wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing= to try, but quite hard to evaluate the results, I think!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


--001485f92230ff79f1047d26a82e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-8bee4b4659313c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:59:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86BB9380004D3; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT0Mj-0003SV-FV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT0Mj-0003SM-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT0Mg-0008HO-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAD7nRUtOlmvr/2dsb2JhbACIJswzhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,237,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="403143198" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.107.235]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2010 21:57:31 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000201ca8fe4$69e82f20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b46592e3b4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >Quite busy on 500kHz tonight - A few new RX stations on today too. Jim, I copied your calls on CW, by ear 559 to SM6BHZ 539 with QSB. 73 Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b5d7b8c175; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:07:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 034883800004F; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMmT-0004K6-R6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMmT-0004Jx-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMmR-0007Gn-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:06:53 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0PB6gBk097220 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:06:51 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b5d7b8a3243 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, I see on your sceenshot that BL-410 has an extra "E". This indicates that it is operating on its back up transmitter. All NDB's have a back up transmitter that automatically is switched on when the main transmitter develops a fault. Monitoring stations will spot the "E" and have some maintenance personel directed to the transmitter site. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b4215a8127; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:22:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BCA938007ADC; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRoe1-0008B1-EU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRoe1-0008As-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRody-0002pc-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:14:57 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.211] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRodw-0003WX-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:14:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:14:39 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1160510449@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1160510449@web.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b4206555d42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new year= " da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werde=20 ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 oe5odl ossi =20 Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > Dear Ossi,=20 > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands for= experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape stri= p "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explan= ing message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc.=20 > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band,= with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as= TEST or QST message.=20 > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amat= eur mode.=20 > > 55, > Hans-Albrecht > DK 8 ND > > > > =20 >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl >> =20 > > > =20 >> Hallo victor ! >> tu fer pic testing new antenna >> running good in the new year hi >> happy new year=20 >> 73 oe5odl ossi >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: >> =20 >>> Happy new year to all, >>> >>> captured ODL this morning >>> 137710 Hz >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Victor >>> PA3FNY >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >>> >>> =20 >> =20 > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.140]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b648f3a7b; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:57:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C094A38000213; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJQg-0003qE-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJQf-0003q5-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:25 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJQc-0002tr-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:25 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2247655bwz.4 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:56:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tXB+5ggGVOkdGQ5/gtzUnA8qFnGyUIZqfpDGlcIw034=; b=WI2eTAsOZ0eQu+IPfRth7OWiO0lXIp+QSbFtus38jqAaMrqoJ8fMhrx17F+M2Mz2TO hUfsfW45HPCdRFzlufO2dYLQqnPN9E7je55bhw+Y58lH3LCEUAQoxASum42N6p8ZW1hs r/FNfftamIlUVTCSlc6DxWs6RHV/V9mwjVCMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xgz6UMPaC+KES/wpBFk2Q+KEtgkhjY9zV6fpntO8Q6LCH2tVhwqvtAyfSs9446ONF9 BBMYPrb206B8iymcOyP2PNuC0NYcE748JUydRPXAHmENOc5RpZ1jAKI0Tf2ssOtFL8nL xSv/M7NAf3SYPKsD/TJhuRpBfAKXXtHw2PB4U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.208 with SMTP id m16mr1462131bkd.180.1264881371745; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:56:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <2050490190@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:56:11 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001301156q7b6c283ctbf78ba3e36adca9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4b648f382c2c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received the picture fine Stefan. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Dear LF, > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a strang= e > design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give= my a > short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. > > I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to solv= e > this problem, sri agn. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new an= d > perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325557b5ad88dd0047e672446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received the picture fine Stefan.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de= >
Dear LF,
=A0
Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp= is in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook= exchange (?)
=A0
Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture= , please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct for= mat now.
=A0
I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adre= ss soon to solve this problem, sri agn.
=A0
I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will= send the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already wo= rking vy fine!
=A0
73, Stefan/DK7FC
Several decodes coming in now.

Let= me know if you are successful.

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Roger Lapth= orn <roger= lapthorn@gmail.com>
What dial frequency/mode do I set Gary pl= ease?

73s
Roger g3XBM

2010/1/1= 9 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

<= /div>
Thanks for the report seen on the Twente Rx.

I did look & was surprised to see my QRP signal showing up. You= should be able confirm as the Tx is only for 1 minute on the even minutes= . Now hoping for others to try decoding.

I may attempt QSO's at some point if I see that th= ere are others decoding. I haven't tried the mode before, just monitor= ed on HF.

73,

Gary - G4W= GT.


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk>
You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.








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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--000e0cd13958201cbb047d8ac939-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b537204c1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:24:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DCC0038000154; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWbeb-00011M-Ma for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWbeb-00011D-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWbeZ-0000Q6-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wjlj1d0090QuhwU56kPCVe; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:12 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WkPB1d0012DDHkk3NkPBwW; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b537202015e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Jay, > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > Reports via wsprnet.org > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz >> USB. Some stations will begin >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. >> Stations may be adjusting their >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports, >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. >> >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will >> continue on in WSPR mode >> instead. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-8bc84b6222a6124; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:49:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B7AAD38000065; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nae6V-0004VF-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nae6V-0004V6-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nae6T-0003Lg-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 31803 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264722523; bh=j8qhDMaRBGO8yFPra3Jh5WyWzg2KCl3UpYa0xLYiYgg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c8Vp7ojiK/NgousHXOJNVIRseaQABFsmP2lPIwLHcbo+mtLJCnn6utFTactEY1HwntPrhglxtlfluuArI4WyU3Ak26Klb5B0tgMpaaWqAuBMeeA7ohZFbIgHTDiEsLjdkTmOScxUihsJWJzQnZ86rxBfw3ow1ZGYzNFt4vesdBU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lwt9BO6/Jzj79rjgw/m8VJxyIc0NHFZSPYZKggcbjcHn9hRGOGdXmDMOw00jU/5HctiYrD0UrW2sbX0UOgKVqT2tT8ZBjcoclssMxaweNxlUBX0MWp1psA89OHPDS7Wy6+XEjkEVzz2gdAKt4NLlhFfe4Y2D2/S46Q9uE/MJw+g=; Message-ID: <894193.30742.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pBjiQPwVM1k_hnyTfyoEtjfeYkktL904h_8d8BtnRt1Clvp1PlPIXxrC5v8rtEvlMJjHnllPmN1c0pZgHEU4C80XmJQ5RxhP556S4Zl7q3uErmX5.NRxOCftUxuzI9Ol5Sy5aJCScU7QqrNNO.MosVbo2HiE1p0K3dc6n2AZ4IuGGFa.KaH965dA1Mm0j1u.WiyTs7B_aJEzFNXpf7IDsxBBusOczu7jK9VbFMsw8DDeThlRPqOalnLv50c54uywsro.6nWmaCgttxpYm9tEQiUqGzCqXVAADAet0nr2QHBYbYUljqZ_qPP1nhHzgI33.vY- Received: from [81.131.35.157] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b6222a4092f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik if you "attach" a item you must put a subject line in or it seems to= totally confuse the parser at Majordomo. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"_000_BF4A5= 24700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 20:16 > --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz. >=20 > Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > > Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b44e7ab373; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:42:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3E07938000220; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbl1-00081t-I0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSbl1-00081k-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSbkz-00071m-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so39094922pxi.30 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:41:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G4Xfo88HgVu/Wg3mUUc+qrGGkQtOAxQwuxcaRsaF5w0=; b=NdQnR3q0n3IM4aYq2QNUNbnycKAvtso9eZlBkvWW7Y4dtXMaCuMyIVJs070DZQULjy 7hG8HeDnsFtJc8DBuvbWaqko8Q1OnomLCrd8iiwwc9Wn+gpI9aEfcGmkIuUUSQVNcge7 ek4P8X9lnY5AsjY1BdHK1ruv8BTs24RUd+6lE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RaClPkIVGyTTQcNzHs7L7Qts6n9U2vpu37MzcSCwBTyWkDTcusUEuNx0x5+87PcGkb 0zxNnO8n6Jps1FQk7aJGjbnDq2b0QQZUW76uvGYiQT8CnL+hYMhkgnW3BhnioyIzUiPT iw2gpyaTcuu01DmXpoCCBqWzkmk7MdtgSBEsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.252.8 with SMTP id z8mr17617565rvh.118.1262806878176; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:41:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:41:18 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ca203c2630f2c74 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001061141y8a63fb2yb8956ced48d0f100@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b44e7a82954 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Is that on 500.550kHz, if so yes I can hear it but not so strong as you can with my small antenna. RST 319 at best, variable with QSB 73 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/6 mal hamilton > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on > 500 > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* mal hamilton > *To:* rsgb > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:14 PM > *Subject:* LF: JABIL EL HAH IS > > New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil El Haj Is, near Yemen I think, CQ then > test.Good signal here 569 taking dips in QSB. > Has anyone worked him yet ? > Active now at 1710z > G3KEV > > > --000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

Is that on 500.550kHz, if so yes I can hear it but= not so strong as you can with my small antenna. RST 319 at best, variable= with QSB

73

Gary - G4WG= T

2010/1/6 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Am I the only station in EU hearing= this beacon now=20 sending 12TH TEST on 500
G3KEV
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010= 5:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: JABIL EL HAH IS

New MF stn 12TH test from Jabil=A0E= l Haj Is,=20 =A0near Yemen I think, =A0CQ then test.Good signal=20 here=A0569=A0taking dips in QSB.
Has anyone worked him yet=20 ?
Active now at 1710z
G3KEV
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--000e0cd3f2f664c680047c842361-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9a14b4b685638c; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:05:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME025-9a14b4b685638c; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:05:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOcY-0004UM-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOcX-0004UD-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOcV-00033C-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:05 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0BI3wdr015596 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:04:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:03:53 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=----------jltRp0vfzlVOkfIV09aV1V X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------------jltRp0vfzlVOkfIV09aV1V Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andy, This is an interesting question. The last few years I have increased the readibility of very weak non directional beacons by decreasing the filter bandwidth. The results have been quite spectacular. Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found looking at the bouncing analogue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio for aural copy was between 5 and 10 dB. However a PERSEUS SDR is much better facilitated for this kind of measurement. Attached is a small part of my PERSEUS GUI and shows the signal of NDB BK from Kazachstan, which is excellent to copy in a 5 Hz wide bandwidth. Creating this picture was not trivial, though. The signal level excursions of the band noise are around +/- 3 dB and the static disrupted the measurement from time to time. Hence 15 second of not by static interrupted recording was played back in a loop for 5 minutes. The averaged band noise is around -143 dBm and the averaged signal (BK in morse code, 7 w.p.m.) is -135 dBm. Thus 8 dB over the band noise. This may appear to be a wide margin, but both band noise and signal suffer from quick changes in signal strength. In practice the signal to noise ratio varies from 4 to 8 dB. I will try to do some more measurements on weak daytime signals, but that will have to wait until later this week. On an other note, using software that takes advantage of the repititive nature of beacons, it is possible to achieve a considerable improvement in S/N. This could also be used instead of QRSS and enable the receiving party to control the needed time for reliable identification, depending on propagation. 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Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b644e8c1c0; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:21:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D4EE538000063; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF7Y-000380-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF7Y-00037r-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF7X-0001Vf-QE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by 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It seems that conditions were very good last night. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hello Mike, Dave, > Capture 22.00-03.40. > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b954b5431e015d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD087-b954b5431e015d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:03:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoRG-0008HU-Pi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoRG-0008HL-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWoRE-0005cE-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWF00EPXT7T7I@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:02:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:02:04 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qP2DvMhWEav4anaLkYGoVA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_qP2DvMhWEav4anaLkYGoVA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_olcI8AKqaliCBoAcoA7FrA)" --Boundary_(ID_olcI8AKqaliCBoAcoA7FrA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg sri, Joe, wrong name,big signal antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891. best 73s henny cpm. 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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg
sri, Joe, wrong name,big signal
antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891.
best 73s
henny cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg

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22:42:17 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b5a1c005875 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, thanks. I just decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync =3D 11 , dB =3D -2. Not sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black =20 background. What else could cause the poor sync ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Andy Talbot : > See annotations below > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM > dB =3D -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to= 2.5kHz) > DT =3D 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both= ends > DF =3D -107 -107Hz tuning error > W =3D 33 Not sure - > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b64bd49179; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:14:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F12F438000089; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMUr-0005DE-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbMUq-0005D5-Tc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbMUp-0004Kr-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W10 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:12:48 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.2] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:12:48 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 23:12:48.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF4B060:01CAA201] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_" Subject: LF: long haul X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b64bd471bf6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137Khz looks pretty good this afternoon - DCF39 138.835 -+ is strong S5,= 2 hours before sunset here in Oklahoma. =20 Laurence KL 1X /5 EM26 AR =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137Khz looks pretty good this afternoon - DCF39 138.835 -+ is strong= S5, 2 hours before sunset here in Oklahoma.
 
Laurence KL 1X /5 EM26 AR

Your E-mail= and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_2a8055a6-c9a5-499e-92f7-2bce40a71dfe_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-a77f4b464a4c356; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:55:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CA49380000A5; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSzMy-00035N-Bb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSzMx-00035E-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSzMv-0007mO-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from COL122-W23 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:53:59 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2010 20:53:59.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[8922A7C0:01CA8FDB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_" Subject: RE: LF: LF: 500 khz last night X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b464a494dcc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andrey, LF! Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you good luck on the 600m= band! Lubos, OK2BVG ******************************** > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 > Subject: LF: LF: 500 khz last night >=20 > Hello all, > Last night I observed very good propagation. > DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. > Also for the first time I saw a considerable > quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) > 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); > 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); > 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) >=20 > 73 Andrey >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andrey, LF!
Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you go= od luck on the 600m band!

Lubos, OK2BVG

********************= ************

> From: rn3agc@mail.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300
> Subject:= LF: LF: 500 khz last night
>
> Hello all,
> Last night= I observed very good propagation.
> DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579.
&g= t; Also for the first time I saw a considerable
> quantity of "banan= as" in a wspr-range :)
> 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16= );
> 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26);
> 2 decodin= gs PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04)
>
> 73 Andrey
>
Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn= =ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_819e6b7e-d2f0-4dd3-94ce-750eb02897d3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.88]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b60b33c1ab; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:42:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4906138000472; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFdM-0005i7-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFdL-0005hy-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFdJ-00075h-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7DE7B8047 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C737331E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:53 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:52 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqflIuIvBkxAkfHRLq7jQJb6CCBwAAA/BOA Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> ,<1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584b60b33a65d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W woul= d provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. Impressive. I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W= PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cann= ot use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the te= xt to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short pe= riod say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so= in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,<= /font>
 
the SNR values over the= last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy= and 0.5W occasional copy.
Impressive.
I should get QRV on= JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, = ;and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot= use that with my HF/500kHz transverter.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's= query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sho= rt period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the momen= t so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

Gary,<= /font>
 
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary -= G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo


--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32BICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a394b4b8fa0290; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:52:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG103-a394b4b8fa0290; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:52:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUREi-0005dk-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUREi-0005db-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUREg-000142-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009BF8A5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:51:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4B8F54.10900@telia.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:51:32 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote (to Alberto di Bene): > What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall > when we had a QSO or heard you. Mal, a "preferred mode" is actually any mode that works in the current circumstances. Please choose your words more carefully, Alberto is one of the few gentlemen on this planet that has given us well engineered, free and simple-to-use tools (Argo, Jason etc.) that enable us to enjoy LF communication over much greater distances than would be possible with plain old CW. Hand pumped CW is fun, indeed, but my definition of communication is somewhat wider that just conveying the digits "599". Alberto understands information theory which, apparently, you do not. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b44f9bc10d; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:59:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B7D538000095; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NScxi-0008Jt-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NScxi-0008Jk-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NScxg-0001yl-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b44f9bb52d7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the north east. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-b584b4f7d403a4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD012-b584b4f7d403a4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWCy-0002B8-UZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWCy-0002Az-74 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWCu-0007DJ-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:20 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so22335723fxm.30 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h6D7ckAwfDf2dJT/BmKrsUquSEht0JuGg6h+d4QTvtA=; b=rB9SCWTcP1d8fWA8/8beVZwdQC1KtqpEj+rP7/PKChf9k+1ExR4S0KVOFv6BMJ2kIB W5QXv/AisGmmoykIc5x4q8SIGyxYsc4KaHaELP8UrepY7y+aTtglRw4mFCkgiswMsZNd cg2e2F+72Y49eJTQOgGO4ijDVgEGgZlqpymB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gkc3jbnisD+c6zRqcOFohpQ7JmsKN+ANlBZtL/uSKfMknAKtiSnOr0xT/Cgm1KBUpe 4/4vpl4p7Y6SEXdXFAC1znzCaHHYix5jJlxkI/rr+X1+UPC/wBHqSuaeUt4QTmRovPRq Jww0GYmcigJIqtaemN1sHWhAh7WC+h6RehfOs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.156.14 with SMTP id k14mr128806hbc.181.1263500529672; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I did :-) The FT817 block diagram shows two oscillators in the chain a master at 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked out straightaway. They done it on the cheap :-( SO you probably wouldn't even get a drift advantage by moving to a lower RF to transvert from. I *was *going to suggest mixing from topband to effect some frequency drift reduction. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > You mean derive it from the *transceiver's* master oscilllator. Yes, a > good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well > be on "grown up" radios. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/14 Andy Talbot > > If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's >> master oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any >> frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output >> frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. >> >> Just an example: >> The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from >> 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily >> divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn >> >> My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts >>> about 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand >>> to adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the >>> oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I >>> start TXing. >>> >>> At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient >>> temperature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even >>> greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a >>> larger temperature range. >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. >>>> 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >>>> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >>>> >>>> Thanks all the comments. >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >>>> >>>> Dear LF Group, >>>>> >>>>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be >>>>> a better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>>> 73 de M0BMU >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>>>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=A0I did :-)
=A0
The FT817 block diagram=A0shows two oscillators in the chain=A0 a mas= ter at 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked= out straightaway.=A0 They done it on the cheap :-(=A0
=A0
SO you probably wouldn't even get a drift advantage by=A0moving= to a lower RF to transvert from.=A0 I was going to sugge= st=A0mixing from topband to effect some frequency drift reduction.
2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
You mean derive it from the transceiver's master oscilllator. Yes, a good idea, but the MO is= not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well be on "grown up&qu= ot; radios.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt= .com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by= the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar reg= ions


2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn= @gmail.com>=20

My own QRP transv= erter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before set= tling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial= setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running al= l the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz woul= d be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <<= a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past 12= hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885
73, Rik





--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.= uk
= http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 = =A0ISWL G11088


--001485f855e63ea1ea047d25a44e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b562a8317; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:56:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1238B38000044; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXM2j-0004Nx-2K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXM2i-0004No-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:20 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXM2f-0000Yd-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:20 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7576306pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iHmsrRtgL9xrrCYnpLkaIvtvuT5X2nUKXHeM8yWUo6I=; b=gmigNM9tKFsfYIf3a7rB196xp5Kl/oeF+8Vpg3rXOBBS7BtSleujNnQReRlHcDqyWb 3KBaRG30HbflWLPhaMGz93bObAeZhuRucprX/wQwKtKAb1z2Mertgrruj5N1kPxIhFct 2GW8C6jZ30UnU66n7AoJ1iIpfWHwhnY5Jb47k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=a0NFQtrntUsZOq5IAnD52AQaFmhYdvARXqpBgpie+ADQ+7+8t8+81PIuE3rQ7dcM06 ml7XzLgmgZrqpbRmZvY9m+aIvl89Zi/TKw+UeQKUz1Z9nIItZ7D5zfNHY7rzQwiKiMoV TsTpPqKrbkjsDxcBNPPKxRVe/f8SrszyJcBUg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5810241rvm.120.1263938110450; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:55:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1b0b6c7f4db38260 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191355m48d6be8dt82a04bcd4b0aa3b1@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b562a804cee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ko, You wrote :- """Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more. 202000 27 -8 0.0 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 202200 9 -15 -0.1 -468 23 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0""" I have just had that message & it was caused by a WSPR signal in the JT4A Rx pass band. It will probably be best to set the Tol to 200 (+/- 200Hz from centre frequency) & tick freeze so the decoder will only decode in that 400 Hz slot. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > Hi Gary > Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more. > > 202000 27 -8 0.0 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202200 9 -15 -0.1 -468 23 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0 > > 202400 27 -5 -0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202600 18 -7 -0.2 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 202800 20 -11 0.0 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203000 22 -7 -0.1 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203200 22 -9 -0.1 -477 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > 203400 19 -9 0.2 -477 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > > I hope the jpg is not to big. > > 73 Ko > --000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ko,

<= /div>
You wrote :-
"""Not sure were the line with= wrong mode came from but here's some more.

202000 27 =A0 -8 =A00.0 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
202200 =A09 =A0-15 -0.1 -468 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0***WR= ONG MODE?*** =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 0"""

I have just had that message & it was caused by a WSPR signal in the= JT4A Rx pass band.

It= will probably be best to set the Tol to 200 (+/- 200Hz from centre freque= ncy) & tick freeze so the decoder will only decode in that 400 Hz slot= .

73=

Ga= ry - G4WGT.

2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&= gt;
Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi Ko,

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as th= ere is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into= the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi Gary
Not sure were the line with wrong mode came from but here's some more.=

202000 27 =A0 -8 =A00.0 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202200 =A09 =A0-15 -0.1 -468 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0***WRONG MODE?*** =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 0 =A0 0

202400 27 =A0 -5 -0.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202600 18 =A0 -7 -0.2 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

202800 20 =A0-11 =A00.0 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203000 22 =A0 -7 -0.1 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203200 22 =A0 -9 -0.1 -477 33 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

203400 19 =A0 -9 =A00.2 -477 32 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

I hope the jpg is not to big.

73 Ko

--000e0cd13958176eeb047d8b865a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.209]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5ee24b54ce2e31; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A16D380000A1; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyqO-000704-Qv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyqO-0006zv-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyqL-0000DV-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:09:04 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Jan 2010 21:06:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD34A96.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.74.150] by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 18 Jan 2010 22:06:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19oJ0MgqPVo61sLM8fdZioR6LaDQWqegSY+CH2OSN 98ZrnDtxi5XRci Message-ID: <016c01ca9882$110b8ae0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <8F68856579324DFBBDEE947B86E8036D@AGB> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:05:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48999999999999999 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b54ce2d5cae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, thanks for the link to the capture. Looks strange indeed,cat whisker-like (again :-) ). Seems the carrier I've seen is a different one. >you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? No,according to the frequency scale (numbers are a bit small) a bit le= ss than +/-50Hz on the screenshot. I've also looked with wider spreads,but no 50Hz or 100Hz harmonics wer= e visible. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Ok Clemens, Mal was looking at 900 Hz spread with 100 Hz separation .. from= you post, you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? nothing like that shows at Liverpool .. only a random pattern ca= used by the modulation , Gary captured this pattern a while ago > http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/504%20off%201353z%2020090720.jpg G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > Graham, > > the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. > The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. > I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? > Or do I miss your point? > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > ? > Clemens > > I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is on= ly > across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the = noise > on > spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clemens Paul" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > >> That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. >> Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, >> a bit more than 3Hz below. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "mal hamilton" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >>> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >>> g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> >>>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum= lines >>>> showing, >>>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>>> >>>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.90= 0 >>>> and >>>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >>> frequency >>>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "mal hamilton" >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>>> > carrier >>>> > 503.4 K/cs >>>> > de mal/g3kev >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "James Moritz" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>>> >> >>>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: >> 01/17/10 08:35:00 >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.730 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.149/2631 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 18/10 17:56:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b50ac9a266; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6D5A380002F0; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sv-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sd-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqPW-0001FZ-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAMI6UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbME4QxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="436943501" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <006301ca960c$06483590$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b50ac981a43 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now active G4JNT 5 dB, PA0AM -8 dB. Two other wspr stns active one each side of G4JNT but swamped by his= 5 dB sig and not decoding with me. All would be readable in QRS3 MODE even though they are close. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now active
G4JNT 5 dB, PA0AM -8 dB.
Two other wspr stns active one each= side of G4JNT=20 but swamped by his 5 dB sig and not decoding with me.
All would be readable in QRS3 MODE ev= en though they=20 are close.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CA960C.06056030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5ebc4b50a10b1c4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:08:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E59D7380002E5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpdL-0001iL-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVpdL-0001iC-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpdJ-0000i9-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:51 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAIIvUEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMDoQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="424983705" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b50a10973a3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some= ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some one has switched a dirty carrier= on 503.5 full=20 of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9605.11636550-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a294b4f7d8a3df; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG083-a294b4f7d8a3df; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWEV-0002C1-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWEV-0002Bs-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWET-0007El-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0EKNeLB047730 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:23:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:23:31 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, Glad to hear you solved this problem. I have been looking for something around 498 kHz, but nothing found there. The only NDB heard here ever was on 500 kHz. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt JO23tm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-a834b4f8a9d35b; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:20:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834b4f8a9d35b; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVX64-0002sO-Ph for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVX64-0002sF-Ag for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVX62-0004oL-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 59866 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jsCEMmCvnYl4BRGlxtIL82aw+t6N1G6ClfL8miVgevlkIe2j7tHVhkPPIpyRKedKUlitPjNbj5JSs9SNxqrgJwNJnYICzhonWTgBQODTk6Wg2TeaVEy+gXjgF4S0O3zyb6hIz7cys9Al2a1F7hMCRs2v3keezDaIFc2jBvqUAH8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: VnrrjLIVM1mBpXljuK5IRLYP8ev_ptzhOI57ecDH_k_5NOOpotiAqA0vCfX8toJahrkDxUxQiL9yKcAO0g3zR8.o.s8Xb_15_5IEoWBxK4zTLxokBm1CT112byDJfbOiEvLEXpnpWO3DN5Y6KWtwvMC9gdWBYu2q11v86bKFYO3S8SG5cW9gVPJHyVVPzJSHrZMNo4WKeV.GIf1PL.Ip6QAgEBiNdtHrOgISlHPFs78zrA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:19:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, Interestingly, if you do an EZNEC simulation of this antenna, it produces an upwards-directed, horizontally polarised lobe as you would expect. But it also produces vertically polarised radiation upwards and "off the ends" like a loop. My guess is that it is also behaving as a long, thin loop, with the missing vertical legs replaced by the distributed capacitance between the wires and ground plane. It would be an interesting thing to try, but quite hard to evaluate the results, I think! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME084-9a84b50dd5624b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:26:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84b50dd5624b; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:25:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVter-0007Dm-2y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVteq-0007Dd-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVteo-0006h4-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F572ACDAD for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID059oaoVyf5870X01; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:31 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID059oaoVyf5870X01 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.211.146] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 887oaoVyd2672M40; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:24:29 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.211.146 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B50DD0B.5070004@usa.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:24:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID887oaoVyd2672X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080803040703060001090204" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------080803040703060001090204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

i.e. 5010 km/W with Andy.   Received also PA0A



but here we are at a mere 178 km/W... :-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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([217.69.129.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSzmw-0002Sy-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:05 +0000 Received: from mail by f298.mail.ru with local id 1NSzmq-0004Rj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 Received: from [79.98.8.20] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [79.98.8.20] Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:20:56 +0300 References: X-Mru-Data: 1328:1:1:70:70:0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_LF=3A_LF=3A_500_khz_last_night?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Lubos, > Hello Andrey, LF! > Thanks for the interesting information. I wish you good luck on the 600m band! Thanks! Some days ago, I precisely do not remember when, I observed your signal at 11 h local time (8 h UTC)! Report M/T. > > Lubos, OK2BVG 73 Andrey > > ******************************** > > > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 > > Subject: LF: LF: 500 khz last night > > > > Hello all, > > Last night I observed very good propagation. > > DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. > > Also for the first time I saw a considerable > > quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) > > 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); > > 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); > > 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) > > > > 73 Andrey > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Zjedodu te si ka dodenní úkoly. Který poèítaè je pro vás ten pravý? > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9ce4b5962da348; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:33:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b5962da348; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:33:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYEwD-00019V-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYEwD-00019M-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYEwB-0003mC-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:17 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so734879fgg.10 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JAnMGDZaVdIGaF1OVP9w9ldOJgJ2NYGk5HOWfnpmN0M=; b=EZs76hMEkPDusCW/s1kybZAE1LQq81KG/VV2FIgqD4MZTm2zbFWOf3DPL6wAYtmBBk eVeXAZ3k1dQLHuO1/SUaU86yG7Je5Jv1PYX6oM5uroDBMINckibqPutA+N+Y7gfk7P+0 JBxb9UqCC5u4pMzE/lD2WGk0us83n9OhBjyyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YPGOvvF3sNnPVxiFRbAY2U9JMFN36G0cypzHYGSbMp44tP3F7+hc0VTRiVnEqcw8R2 rLF2qgOLdhMr7UzkUisNqM/p+/5gcdWPw/I/ENHmmQlpu5CvgZSMUxXoZS5+00rklH/L m1i4X1hy8WfJjP+nSz7NiWP7zMMOQpwRcanEk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.77 with SMTP id h13mr297992hbi.74.1264149133586; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> <007501ca9acc$e78e29a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA1@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ERP<>EMRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the equation. I^2.R is the actual power radiated. Which direction it then goes is a different issue. Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ? A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity. Therefore a short monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times. Neither of which is 1.83 Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Hi Andy, > > Isn't it, the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna? > > 73, Stefan > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Andy Talbot > Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please= ? > > > So go on: argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived from basic > electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law) way of > getting antenna efficiency. > > Or ERP =3D I^2 . Rrad where I is measurable. > > Only uncertainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of= the > antenna used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to= 6dB > error. The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > --001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, yes it is I suppose if you lump antenna directivity into the eq= uation.=A0
I^2.R is the actual power radiated.
Which direction=A0it then goes is a different issue.
=A0
Anyway, what is the true directivity figure to use for a monopole ?
A very short dipole has 1.5 times directivity.=A0 Therefore a short= monopole over perfect ground ought to have 3 times.=A0 Neither of which= is 1.83

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/21 Stefan Sch=E4fer &l= t;schaefer@hst.tu-darmstad= t.de>
Hi Andy,

Isn't it,= the ERP is I^2*Rrad*1,83, if we assume a vertical antenna?

73, Ste= fan

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auf= trag von Andy Talbot
Gesendet: Do 21.01.2010 20:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please?<= br>

So go on: =A0argue against the Rrad (an exact figure derived fr= om basic electromag theory) and Rloss (easily measurable, called Ohms law)= way of getting antenna efficiency.

Or =A0ERP =3D =A0 I^2 . Rrad =A0 where I is measurable.

Only un= certainty in any of these techniques is the effective height of the antenn= a used to get Rrad, but absolute worst case, can only ever lead to 6dB err= or. =A0The difference between no top hat and an infinite top hat

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com <http://www= .g4jnt.com/>



--001485f339180cf242047dbca8d0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.74]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-a18f4b5c486d95; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7C3C3800006F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2KO-00063R-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2KN-00063I-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:31 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2KL-0007oO-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:31 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0ODGPxa015785 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id F18387C833D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.432 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:16:26 +0100 (MET) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4b5c486b57a5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:24:05PM +0100, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of reports > between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be a > hard-working guy ). Well... I'm the operator of the Twente WebSDR, but there is no WSPR decoder running here, although I do hope to add that in the future. So currently the WSPR reports from our receiver must be generated by someone else who feeds audio from our site into a WSPR decoder. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.220]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b5d73471; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:32:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0FFFC38000090; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMEE-0003ww-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMED-0003wn-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMEB-0006oS-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWS006ZBT8692@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:31:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:31:16 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_I3EgYgs7n/9+Br9L72HJ2g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dc4b5d73436011 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_I3EgYgs7n/9+Br9L72HJ2g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_74BiSbxQdl4ieUEkjeiE3w)" --Boundary_(ID_74BiSbxQdl4ieUEkjeiE3w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,LF Capture Z and BL on 509Khz. 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Hi,LF
Capture Z and BL on 509Khz.
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg

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<20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b50db517d05 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too glib =A0 I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not the= mirror image how does that work. Please explain? How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start=A0event= before its happened it doesn't compute!=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote: From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55 I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrier hap= pens first the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind of swi= tcher at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital =A0 be interested to find out what it is =A0 Bob K3DJC =A0 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" writes: Hi All, =A0 Anyone come across these? =A0 http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg =A0 I have seen them on 80m too in the past. =A0 73, Lee M0LMH. =A0 =A0 ____________________________________________________________=20 Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! =20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Too glib
 
I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not= the mirror image how does that work. Please explain?
How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start&nbs= p;event before its happened it doesn't compute! 

73 es GL pete= fmt

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc= @juno.com> wrote:

From: riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@jun= o.com>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55

I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
 
be interested to find out what it is
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" <= hudsonville@btinternet.com> writes:
Hi All,<= /FONT>
<= /SPAN> 
Anyone= come across these?
<= /SPAN> 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
<= /SPAN> 
I have= seen them on 80m too in the past.
<= /SPAN> 
73,
Lee M0LM= H.
 
 

____________________________________________________________
Nutrition
Improve your career he= alth. Click now to study nutrition!

=20 --0-1927858040-1263590157=:23614-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB104-869e4b58d9643ad; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:47:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50F4E38000197; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5mh-0008U2-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5mh-0008Tt-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY5mf-0001EC-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:51 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so608904fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Nx6qioKZ7vCZa20NPQL/c4csQQn4Ndzoiug1Rmy5NE4=; b=PPArGzR7NGupWffUBObIrzPV79PQMwo+AAA88tdYc438oTxyOV3caRSVVtmTQ8CHHW uZl+bi0DmxTnmvGCH81cUCHFwXrF7qY9FyBaT/zGPAGv3vpkwAlslRyvuslWcWd/tCkI egTlvecoRME0CCmr58LzcS8fmAxvehH6Wstq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nXXMz880vTnz3/3/Co5ToxHNgtKZK5oMmOzAnuwWdqe2CycMArO9Zqg6UA0vixaYZe t/SEn4l4EhqLWISQ3q5HL/SIxJkh7K1h1gAg3QAFEENuUiiHNpbLbbofryZwCO3D05M3 VLeA3DDXBPluo7MNBL1SyE/kcUVA3J4UKPtK0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.133 with SMTP id g5mr236943hbh.182.1264113942777; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:45:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f4533483d159047db476a1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b58d9622252 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f4533483d159047db476a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, Gary, what frequency Tol setting do you have? I see Jim's freq reading is -77Hz, so if you have Tol set to 50Hz, for example, it'll miss Jim's signals. It defaults to 400Hz at startup, so a lower value will have to have been set somehow. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > Ah... > I wonder. > > Jim's DT setting for your sigs is around +2 seconds. Which means in the > opposite direction it would be -2s. This is a bit marginal. The WSJT > modes were designed originally for EME, and I *think* the acceptable time > window is assymetric, being around 2s negative and up to 6s positive to > allow for the EME delay. > > But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends if it has > the same time-search margin. Would have thought it does. Unless Jim's > timing is out.....? > > Just a thought. WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it certainly > doesn't need to be assymetric in its search. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> OK Andy, >> >> Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am >> currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. >> >> Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the >> rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say >> that is OK. >> >> I will try again tomorrow. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >> >>> may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not >>> B...G. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> You wrote :- >>>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>> >>>> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >>>> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >>>> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >>>> in the manual. >>>> >>>> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >>>> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >>>> that of any help to me? >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >>>> >>>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>> >>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>> >>>>>> LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>>> >>>>>>> LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any >>>>>>> JT4A replies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f4533483d159047db476a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, Gary,
what frequency Tol setting do you have?=A0=A0 I see Jim's freq re= ading is -77Hz, so if you have Tol set to 50Hz, for example, it'll mis= s Jim's signals.=A0
=A0
It defaults to 400Hz at startup, so a lower value will have to have= been set somehow.
2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
Ah...
I wonder.
=A0
Jim's DT setting for your sigs =A0is around +2 seconds.=A0=A0 Whi= ch means in the opposite direction it would be -2s.=A0=A0 This is a bit ma= rginal.=A0=A0 The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I t= hink the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s=A0nega= tive and up to 6s positive to allow for the=A0EME delay.
=A0
But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends= if it has the same time-search margin.=A0 Would have thought it does.=A0= =A0 Unless Jim's timing is out.....?
=A0
Just a thought.=A0=A0 WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it= certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
OK Andy,=20

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am cur= rently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.

Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set= for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003.= I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Thanks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.










--001485f4533483d159047db476a1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG054-a374b4b409d3d1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG101-a374b4b409d3d1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULy1-0003ca-Lv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULy1-0003cR-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULxy-0001yD-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UCBV1d0030xGWP85AFDtHY; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:13:53 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UFDp1d00F2DDHkk3YFDqzJ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:13:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today)= on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO quali= ty. Jay =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW 502= .6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most nigh= ts when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6= BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I ha= d first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive mor= e EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes re= ceiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather= good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM= 26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Will start listening for you about 22= 00Z (earliest=20 I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear you= r signal=20 QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite startin= g about 2100z=20 I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hea= r u and=20 Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal= last night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions=20 must have been very good last night as I had first time reception= =20 of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations= more often=20  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitati= ons due to=20 strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your= cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curi= ous=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alrea= dy=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last= night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if,= using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW= . Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my kn= owledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and a= normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the follow= ing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,=20 /10.
 <= /DIV>
Best DX: 2010-= 01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best = ;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA92A6.8F6B22B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b5e4b4626a822c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b4626a822c; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:23:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSwzb-0002r0-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSwzb-0002qr-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from f251.mail.ru ([217.69.128.176]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSwzZ-0006l7-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from mail by f251.mail.ru with local id 1NSwzS-0003vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 Received: from [79.98.8.13] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [79.98.8.13] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:21:46 +0300 References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> X-Mru-Data: 1328:1:1:70:70:0 In-Reply-To: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?LF=3A_500_khz_last_night?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, Last night I observed very good propagation. DI2AM and OK0EMW RST 579. Also for the first time I saw a considerable quantity of "bananas" in a wspr-range :) 3 decodings EI6IZ (the best -20 db at 23.16); 7 decodings G4JNT (the best -20 db at 00.26); 2 decodings PA3FNY (the best -24 db at 01.04) 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5ef74b53c9c33e0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 391273800009E; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWhUl-0004Vk-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWhUl-0004Vb-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWhUj-0002xL-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:37:35 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so2285415pzk.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MD+ieFzYs5UCtd17jhbs2PZo1GbT/Y6i52BlONCrjys=; b=P4M8kWxzNWZjOXiJrOmKBBhHBYs82ZN8Z+CrbJqrIMawmDiojvyglwwrvYwA4UMMEu 1k6oI31FDuiK327a1/ZW9rsZzToeIKyTGNEChFwXq8RtJyBd3EHJOB53VRI70jlJSEyq Wqg0BcS5nZkWnSOUsauUitbFjN6po7HD2/L1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v+Ld3ygawN+v09+0VwVMDV9mpxswOSSehjuBkLQWIWqdDDZkx5rcHDy4YbPFhSn76s Wko5bJ1MDOjd1LsdrmHXOaVEfICdgiDVHRuovezwNNC4ZHHb3p7TQUSZWdZktxNXAqtJ aa1IZCyZj1xnyoCX1AimYoy/T1eYzEfSNoaQQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.45.10 with SMTP id s10mr3763394was.76.1263782246508; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001171837t56b8c436md01ded8ce5d31c42@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 17-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b53c9c277c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren ,LF > nice captrure XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 17-01.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5c14b5b3217c2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:30:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b5b3217c2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:30:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjnD-0006rd-H9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjnD-0006rU-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjnB-0006vO-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:29:03 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de (fwd00.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYjn5-0006qy-M1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:55 +0100 Received: from e7010 (TvZLHOZSQhyorAeO2oZTAiChLMG1tc9maxH62Tl7sayytJYYBgIxt7CVLoji1BIgGW@[84.147.214.196]) by fwd00.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYjmr-2801a40; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: TvZLHOZSQhyorAeO2oZTAiChLMG1tc9maxH62Tl7sayytJYYBgIxt7CVLoji1BIgGW X-TOI-MSGID: 6c0af028-ca38-4d7c-8ab8-ce74237be68f X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W= ERP, QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very= Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=3D6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=3D6BX6 as am= plifier, xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state= amplifier.=20 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG is=20 now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, QRG 505,093KH= z, dial=20 503,6KHz.
Last week I built a xmtr mixer with= parts from the=20 VOM-junkbox ( Very Old Man ). Tubes ECH81=3D6AJ8 oscillator and mixer,= EF80=3D6BX6=20 as amplifier,
xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Fo= llowed by the=20 regular solid state amplifier. 
73   Walter  DI2AG /= =20 DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA9C59.E2AECF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-8bf34b3f2b6cf4; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:18:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD09A380011D3; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR1xO-0003nB-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR1xO-0003n2-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR1xN-0000K6-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:15:42 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o02BFFxA025203 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:15:15 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c0d.69fc0a6e (43900) for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229143167.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.143.167]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC065-ab7c4b3f2ab923c; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <877BD8F9B61E428DB8657A0FCF523AED@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:15:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: European beaconing Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA8BA5.3797CB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b3f2b4f68f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, very nice signals around 136.32 last night, thanks to Ossi, Mike, Uwe,= Henny and Gerhard. It's a pleasure to see the screen come alive!=20 Best wishes for 2010 to everyone in the group, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CA8BA5.3797CB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
very nice signals around 136.32= last night,=20 thanks to Ossi, Mike, Uwe, Henny and Gerhard. It's a pleasure to see the screen come alive!
 
Best wishes for 2010 to everyone in= the=20 group,
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4B62070000B4 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:56:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100101145640308.4B62070000B4@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2661873FD9224C9AABD301CD2B9F18C2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <295709.54206.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:56:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b3e0d7e6383 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency ,= S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the= port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I seem to  have a  German= station playing=20 music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite  regular flutter=   ,=20 may  be 2  stns on the  same freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
=

Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline= is now on=20 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in=20 Essex.
 
Signal RS 57-9= here in=20 North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL=20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8AF2.9F6A8F40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a914b577aee3d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA101-a914b577aee3d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiRZ-0000GG-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXiRZ-0000G7-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXiRX-00019R-Im for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from COL122-W16 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:50:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:18 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 21:50:19.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F09C5D0:01CA9A1A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_" Subject: LF: G3XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.= 2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO0= 2 0

Congr= atulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =3D --_2c3d6ec4-3011-47f3-b80b-6bf7cdbdf2e2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.223]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC083-a98d4b61f1692ae; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 690AF3800016B; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaapO-0003Ut-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaapN-0003Uk-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaapL-00022l-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:18:57 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB98051C008 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB68631E702 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:16:42 +0100 Thread-Index: AQHKoFcP5eW6E0r7kUySm3FRkWyd1A== Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345 Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b61f1671db6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz. Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can hear PA3CW 579 with a test transmission on 500.1kHz.

Almost the same frequency as SK6RUD.

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32DICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.214]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b5f366439b; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:37:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F0A938000203; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZqGJ-0000bt-Cd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZqGI-0000bk-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from mx74.mail.ru ([94.100.176.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZqGG-0002yQ-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=57328 helo=EFREMOV) by mx74.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZqG9-000IMY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:35:29 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001401ca9eb6$4d7266e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:34:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64b5f366127e4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG012-a154b425ad5237; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG057-a154b425ad5237; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:17:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuHl-0001zV-IX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuHl-0001zM-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuHj-0000ts-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NRuHh-0003os-Uh; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:16:17 +0100 Received: from p57af1ee3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.30.227]:1199 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NRuHh-0007Sm-42; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:16:17 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:16:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqNeeSkTMHtxlaPTvGjdmNQI5M1kAACGoaw X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Report from DK6NI for PA3FNY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA8D8B.8976DF40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA8D8B.8976DF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von victor13@online.nl Gesendet: Montag, 4. Januar 2010 21:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hello Victor, copying your signal audible and clear in JN59LN: My congrads to your first transmission on 500 kc!!!! vy 73, good luck and mni dx on 500 kc =20 de Gerhard // DK6NI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Report: PA3FNY Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 Aan: blacksheep Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z= I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. 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X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec607a2674047daca143 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b5855f11c2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec607a2674047daca143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik, This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP la= st night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night= . My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large err= or margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW= ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That will also have some effect on the relative levels. BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, > > the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af > data is available. > I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web > site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least 2= of > the 3 calls in the same time slot: > I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1= hop > ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. > > * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger= ) > 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of= 8dB > between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW= =3D > 7dB) > > * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of An= dy) > 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy > would run "only" 30mW ERP ? > But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as > well ... > > * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy= ) > Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) > > All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: > > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > 73 > > * Eddie* G3ZJO > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org] > *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED in= formace. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec607a2674047daca143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running= with 50mW ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as= well for last night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements= done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my estimate of= effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as being in the regi= on of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the 1mW ERP was a fair estima= te with quite large error margins. It would be interesting to know if M0BM= U still believes the 1mW ERP is a correct figure. I have not made any furt= her improvements since Jim's last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago.

What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That wi= ll also have some effect on the relative levels.

BTW, Dom Baines M1= KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's Radio Eng= ineering Handbook (1948)
stated the maximum working distance for 1=A0kW 500kHz over salt water was= 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then!

73s
Roger= G3XBM




2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe= <rik.= strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web si= te is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied=A0 at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor= of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor= of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )

All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
=A0
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
=A0
73
=A0
 Eddie G3ZJO
=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
=A0
Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
=A0

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--0015174bec607a2674047daca143-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-8bee4b4a1f0c309; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:40:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 343F938000047; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU2gd-0003yV-C7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU2gc-0003yM-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU2ga-0000AH-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:38:50 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100110183343.SGSG17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:43 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU2be-0007Xh-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:43 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSI2w7V0oc15S3Qo225FAoj/N5Lg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=2mUFhwNqzJQA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=OiQawdtgaccNZheUQokA:9 a=HTl06DLUKyM5YZfpKVUA:7 a=C1YrGwgDrixO77fP2C6Psppn_CMA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=G3dQBCxLzhpWgqxEyn4A:9 a=h_ERAkuwbmRxQJVrXPwA:7 a=ZSXlzESiJLnISvkTJ3tSdMk0EXEA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4a1f0a4169 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then= is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Ex= pected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?<= /o:p>

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining &nb= sp;8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capabi= lity as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor= for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9223.6D16EC90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.85]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-86614b3fa7be157; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:08:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A399D380003A6; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAFv-0006W2-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAFu-0006Vr-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:22 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAFs-0002nZ-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:07:22 +0000 Received: from COL122-W28 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:07:12 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 20:07:12.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C397630:01CA8BE7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_" Subject: LF: 137kHz activity X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554b3fa7b74e2d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF OMs! There is a good activity on 137kHz this evening. I just see: 137.730 DFCW3 ... M0BMU and DF6NM 137.710 QRSS3 ... EW6GB and RA3YO 137.703 QRSS10 ... RU6LA Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF OMs!
There is a good activity on 137kHz this evening. I just= see:
137.730 DFCW3 ... M0BMU and DF6NM
137.710 QRSS3 ... EW6GB and= RA3YO
137.703 QRSS10 ... RU6LA

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn= =ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_cade8814-2dcf-4839-bcac-8cd802eec596_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF043-8be74b60c3d62fe; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A10743800013D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGkJ-0007Yx-TL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGkJ-0007Yo-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGkF-00086P-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0000 Received: from [94.75.152.175] (port=49898 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaGk8-000E0y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:52:12 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60C395.10608@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:52:05 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> <4B60BDF0.4080100@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: sdr pa grabber Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010507010103060605040506" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b60c3d46522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010507010103060605040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: > Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? > G .. and 137.420-137800 Dmitry > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dmitry" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM > To: > Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > >> Hi LF >> >> PA grabber work! >> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> >> > > > > --------------010507010103060605040506 Content-Type: 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:24 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYML0-0007Lh-Vc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:24 +0000 Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ybtu1d0061c6gX857gSGxA; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:16 +0000 Received: from DELL4 ([76.23.233.102]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YgSf1d00N2DDHkk3jgSfmU; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:41 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca9b7f$679af1c0$6c01a8c0@DELL4> From: To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b59d21b045a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR tonight and tomorrow night on 510 kHz dial USB. We appreciate the continued monitoring by a number of station during evenings this week. At QSB peaks the signals have been quite strong at distances of 3000+ miles suggesting even much more distant receptions are possible. We're hoping additional stations will have a chance to monitor this weekend. All reports, no matter the distance, are always appreciated. They can be sent direct or entered automatically as 'spots' in the WSPR.net database. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-86054b41b2c51b6; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:20:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F2BE38003697; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 04:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRj29-0006wB-PJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRj27-0006w2-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:28 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRj21-0004kQ-U7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAKlAQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPgbEXoIigg4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,497,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="415588051" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 09:14:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:14:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b41b2216d65 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set= up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling= away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base on= ce a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW= and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagati= on and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave= plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conv= ersational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-dist= ance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs= wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us= trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot under= stand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allo= cation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is fantastic news for the Applia= nce Operator.=20 Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200= of them=20 growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data= base once=20 a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular= .
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by= Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again= using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 10:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more th= an 100 at=20 a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a=20 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation= and station=20 performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plent= y of room=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational= modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea=20 to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if=20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon= on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is ca= using QRM=20 to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA statio= ns. I=20 cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a= narrow=20 band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles sw= amped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?=
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA8D1E.5F869030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.22]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-86034b65427d209; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:42:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C01A3800015E; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVN3-0007GH-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVN2-0007G8-Uh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVMz-0005JU-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KX3005ZBS4SF5@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:41:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:41:14 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <213FCF9D4C6E437588728BC208F7DFF6@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 31-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7BlbxddSCDJ9NUk6KTpN8g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164b65427b1843 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_7BlbxddSCDJ9NUk6KTpN8g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w)" --Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 31-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_R32X2yNx9arIBUzqc/6M6w) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
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Henny cpm
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I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA9F96.FBF9BFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gary

 

Just got two de= codes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied= with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

The information= transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments &= Andy for answering Rik's query.

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ= call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further= afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can re= duce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the mome= nt so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WG= T - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guarante= ed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven= .be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW= would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A= produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dia= l frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA9F96.FBF9BFC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9bc4b56f3821d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:14:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME058-9bc4b56f3821d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:13:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZQZ-0006M2-6q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZQY-0006Lt-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:50 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXZQV-0005LT-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:12:50 +0000 Received: from COL122-W4 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:12:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:12:41 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 12:12:40.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD0B9340:01CA99C9] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_" Subject: RE: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger! I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some days ago.=20 So... I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I moved them on my portable= QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE aerial for 500kHz there= . I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It will be receiving contin= uously some days and nights. I have got Internet line from my cottage to= my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is written in WSPR window ther= e. It will be interesting test, I think. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 =20 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the= night All, I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.=20 If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England please lea= ve your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XB= M around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c3f37470-895b-4045-9317-d145f4042141_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger!
I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some= days ago.
So...
I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I mov= ed them on my portable QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE= aerial for 500kHz there. I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It= will be receiving continuously some days and nights. I have got Internet= line from my cottage to my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is wri= tten in WSPR window there.
It will be interesting test, I think.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR stations in centra= l Europe - please listen through the night

All,

I'm going to= leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
=
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=
Hi Klaus,
 
Yes= I'm using=20 V2
How= ever:
 
1001= 09=20 1456   9 -22  2.4   0.503919  LA3/O28WJJ= =20 10          -3  = ; =20 13    0
100109 1500   7 -24  1.6 = ; =20 0.503921  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     1    0
100109 1502 &= nbsp; 6=20 -25  1.8   0.503919  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 3    0
100109 1506  13 -18  1.7  = ;=20 0.503918  <...> JO28WJ 10     &nbs= p; =20 -1     1    0
100109 1508 = 17=20 -14  1.7   0.503916  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1510 = 16=20 -16  1.8   0.503915  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
100109 1512  11 -20  1.8  = ;=20 0.503915  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10          =20 0     1    0
100109 1516 = 14=20 -16  1.7   0.503896  LA3/O28WJJ=20 10         =20 -1     6    0
100109 1518 = 15=20 -15  1.8   0.503895  <...> JO28WJ=20 10         0   =  =20 1    0
1001= 09 1520  15=20 -15  1.7   0.503896  LA3EQ/M=20 10           &n= bsp; =20 1     1    0
100109 1522 = 11=20 -19  1.8   0.503898  <LA3EQ/M> JO28WJ=20 10     1     1  &nbs= p;=20 0
 
The question I=20 suppose is what was LA3EQ/M using to generate the=20 transmissions,
WSPR= on a PC,=20 or something homebrew for /M use?
 
73,=
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
&nb= sp;
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9150.2B6F3500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.215]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-86044b3f8194229; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:25:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24D3338000EC5; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7fA-0004wZ-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7fA-0004wP-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7f9-0001yR-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from COL122-W25 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:21:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 17:21:09.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[F97A3F70:01CA8BCF] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74b3f80c030ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal once more! Sorry, my information was not correct. Your strong QRSS3 signal was on 137= .700kHz. The station, I just see it on 137.697, is G3XDV in QRSS10 mode.= FB signal as well. =20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: bvgbob@hotmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100 Subject: RE: LF: Re: RU6LA Hello Mal! I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is very good, "O".= =20 HNY to you! Lubos, OK2BVG ***************** From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA =20 Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG,=20 JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. = =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal once more!
Sorry, my information was not correct. Your strong= QRSS3 signal was on 137.700kHz. The station, I just see it on 137.697, is= G3XDV in QRSS10 mode. FB signal as well.    
73!
Lubos,= OK2BVG
From: bvgbob@hotmail.com
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100
Subject:= RE: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hello Mal!
I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is= very good, "O".
HNY to you!

Lubos, OK2BVG

*************= ****

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000
S= ubject: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Orig= inal Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject= : LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on= =20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG,= =20 JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v= =E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_01804b9e-ba64-4036-ba90-75c11086291b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-861d4b5cc0d036e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:51:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1BC5380000A0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZALW-00020l-Jr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZALW-00020c-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZALV-0002yV-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:50:14 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6129F7B8047 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60531E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D2A0218056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:50:03 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5cc0cd5595 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kHz. MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while, but =20 only for short time. I will let the software run for some time and let you know is =20 something meaningfull comes out. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW > > TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! > > G .. > > From: Graham > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the =20 > same picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how =20 > small the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the =20 > software accepted the file .. signal is starting to show in =20 > Holland .. so may be you will get a decode soon ? > > tnx G > > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Hello Graham, LF! > There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ________________________________ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? > > download link :- > > http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm > > G .. > > From: Lubos OK2BVG > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Hello Graham, LF! > I saw your signal on 503kHz. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ________________________________ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 > Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 > > Set dial 501.500 : USB > Audio set 1500 Hz > Mode PSK63F Digital sstv > > Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! > > Reports ? > > Tnx - Graham > G0NBD > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD? Dal=C5= =A1=C3=AD =20 > informace. > > > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3= =BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD =20 > informace. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-861e4b55bff61e3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:21:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B419A38000258; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXEwT-0001bO-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXEwT-0001bF-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXEwQ-0002JG-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2498065pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:20:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k6m50oGfbiXjgwvfAw09N3ZqWH3O4GZ34YKqdQNmt/U=; b=v2uRlGIaxkx5Ys5F+zCGXZ6UfK28VRzRhjA5/sqh0z1LLbOFH0LZein9z210xPeCMj VviYHiOJg8Qt7ohe4Y7lnBoem30LbKQ+r3iJYWSKd1guNouy0/9wV7VzGd5FyjVkg+xA 9QJxHYlIzdK0G7Zq/bQEHaUn9aPKCvtb289dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hsU1obkiWXtkNiT5CXZz5iz7ozNCM8A3Yno5vncALdMra07CprCTpmjiu9ovzYmly3 iLjDuoZhfV1w8Tr0agWvL9BbD+hmmwno7sxiLw25iMZOkRKxxEDqReepG3ukrdJR7Yd5 B1yOmpBHpDII5BpmiIAcJXwTpqzFKo/VrP2FY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.100.13 with SMTP id c13mr5202886wam.65.1263910814068; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:20:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:20:13 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001190620p563ec40vc4c6e7170fde1760@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b55bff43dee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, WE2XGR/6 is running at least 10dB more ERP than WE2XGR/3. The limit for WE2XGR stations is 200 W ERP, and WE2XGR/6 (Bob W2ZM) actually attains this when he runs full power though I believe that Bob only runs about half that power on WSPR. FYI WE2XGR/6 has been copied on ssb by Finbar - they even had a QSO with Bob on ssb and Finbar using cw. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > I just had a look at the www.wspr.net database and noticed impressive SN= R > values on the WE2XGR signals in Europe. > To my experience -12 to =A0-15 dB is the limit for an audible signal (CW > copy), -3dB should be OK for SSB ! > I am just a bit fussed why /3 is relatively weak (on average -10dB on /6= , > while its ERP is 3dB more). > Unless the given values are TX output power instead of ERP (in that case= i > can also stop wondering how to get 200W ERP without setting things on fi= re > ;-) - unless you have a really BIG antenna). > > 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T > > > 2010-01-19 07:30 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511499 =A0 -3 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx 5464 =A0 49 > 2010-01-19 03:30 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511500 =A0 -4 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr 5630 =A0 51 > 2010-01-19 01:22 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511499 =A0 -4 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp 6259 =A0 47 > 2010-01-19 05:58 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511501 =A0 -5 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 100= =A0 OR7T =A0 JO20ix > =A0 5977 =A0 51 > 2010-01-19 05:54 =A0 WE2XGR/6 =A0 0.511501 =A0 -10 =A0 0 =A0 FN12 =A0 10= 0 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti 5506 =A0 52 > > 2010-01-19 03:46 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511550 =A0 -10 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx =A05282 =A0 49 > 2010-01-19 03:36 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -11 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr =A05437 =A0 52 > 2010-01-19 03:46 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -11 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti =A05308 =A0 53 > 2010-01-19 03:18 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511550 =A0 -12 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp =A06085 =A0 48 > 2010-01-19 03:58 =A0 WE2XGR/2 =A0 0.511551 =A0 -15 =A0 0 =A0 FN31is =A0= 50 =A0 OR7T > JO20ix 5786 =A0 51 > > 2010-01-19 03:06 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -14 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 M0LMH > IO93gx =A05149 =A0 50 > 2010-01-19 02:56 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511452 =A0 -17 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 G0KTN > IO81ti =A05173 =A0 54 > 2010-01-19 01:58 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -19 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 DL-SWL > JO52hp =A0 5953 =A0 48 > 2010-01-19 05:28 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511452 =A0 -21 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 OR7T > JO20ix =A05652 =A0 52 > 2010-01-19 03:50 =A0 WE2XGR/3 =A0 0.511450 =A0 -22 =A0 0 =A0 FN42ch =A0= 200 =A0 M0BMU > IO91vr =A05302 =A0 53 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5efe4b3f7872196; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:46:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7985D38001436; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR71e-0004P0-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR71e-0004Or-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR71b-0006o2-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F257B8047 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D2731E702 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:40:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:37:57 +0100 Thread-Topic: 500kHz: SM6BGX Thread-Index: AQHKi8pCADPP6Vqe5ECsUloU8+OYQQ== Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500kHz: SM6BGX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b3f773617c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good copy of SM6BGX (JO67IB) on 501.418kHz at 16:30 UTC Both QRSS (solid O) as plain CW (529 QSB) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good copy of SM6BGX (JO67IB) on 501.418kHz at 16:30 UTC

Both QRSS (solid O) as plain CW (529 QSB)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

 

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1282C90B63ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a034b5f60cd2a9; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG035-a034b5f60cd2a9; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:38:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZt5k-0000yk-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZt5k-0000yb-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZt5i-000477-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:36:56 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=2678 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZt5a-000M0g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:36:46 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002701ca9ecf$a786d210$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <131be.6b6fe735.3890a676@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:36:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks, Nicolas! I'm surprised, but the beacon can be seen on the grabber Sergey RA9CUA: http://beta.urtc.ru/~RA9CUA 1450 km! 73 Andrey OK Andrey, i wait your beacon. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP Dans un e-mail daté du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru a écrit : Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b4b0c2f77; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:31:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6EDAB38000201; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUITc-000141-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUITb-00013s-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUITZ-0005H1-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:27 +0000 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UBC71d0021ZXKqc5CBWLYb; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:20 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UBWV1d0032DDHkk3hBWVgi; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:30:29 +0000 Message-ID: <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:30:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b4b0c2d0892 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signal last= night (as=20 well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). C= onditions must=20 have been very good last night as I had first time reception of G= 4JNT. I=20 might have been able to receive more EU stations more often  but= the=20 combined US/EU WSPR 'band' causes receiving limitations due to strong= local WSPR=20 signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for your cw= signal on any=20 night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious abou= t the=20 details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it -= if so I=20 missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alb= ert
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz last nigh= t

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during the= night of 10/11=20 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if, using my= current=20 setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:= 42=20 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge ju= st enough=20 for a  CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth= suited for=20 this mode. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA= 3USG,=20 KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10.
 
Best DX: 2010-01-1= 1, 03:20 UTC,=20 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best of= both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  <= /DIV>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA9287.8B150010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-5f64b4b7fd431e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG101-5f64b4b7fd431e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQBE-0005G4-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQBE-0005Fv-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQBB-0000V5-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:00 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so688114fga.10 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lNYvZtD6NRWSC4nnvULDZUOqHJ456uHLx0/ynVDlQQw=; b=rZAqRwSMqivWEM//S9fydKwEpnZFabxrFd1y6jw0AwszNgagq8Y1lXapwC/3tyGq0u Yvds+xe5HAVs5oW8E8jkYDzPPI5HEqQM+6WfFxR0k9CuvsbKxGVrxNK0Cdg1G4PlAhMJ C3/W7gczpkz6YGonVlhClupybj8oPOMbb6e7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KvsZtUA8NkCCcFdSaD1y1HV9LDkp83g2qWdahjRT3JNzrofPKrcZUmeKNO+6kHyL8v KIpEilcLlPA2ttjoSPNJNHXrlIoX7CvQY0mmzQRj/tEDc07k6L1yQ15wdIXnkQX6gjkw XHyp1fGrUxJSdXoX6YHfS5pNZHmlUX+En2vbM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.84 with SMTP id f20mr545354hbh.185.1263239036178; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power *per-se*. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/11 Rik Strobbe > I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent > last night: > PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in > Texas: > > 2010-01-11 03:20 PA0A 0.503899 -27 0 JO33de 5 KL1X/5 > EM26ar 7546 302 > > Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 > (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X > (7066km). > Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km > range. > > TA crossings west to east: > WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km) > WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km) > > TA crossings east to west: > PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km) > M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km) > SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km) > G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km) > > Also: > There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, > a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible. > Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots) > > Another remarkable thing: > Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of > WD2XSH/17 (5598km) > Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote: > > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X BP51ip > 7066 347 > > > PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > > Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > > 73 > > Laurence KL 1 X > (remote ops) > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. 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All=A0designs & ideas=A0for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted= :-)
I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible.
=A0
Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope.=A0=A0=A0 There's an arti= cle in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in= parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power= per-se.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/11 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excell= ent last night:
PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but= also by KL1X/5 in Texas:

2010-01-11 03:20=A0=A0 PA0A=A0=A0 0.50389= 9=A0=A0 -27=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 JO33de=A0=A0 5=A0=A0 KL1X/5=A0=A0 EM26ar=A0=A0= 7546=A0=A0 302

Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold= for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze= for PA0A-KL1X (7066km).
Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and= 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range.

TA crossings west to east:
WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (bes= t DX DL4RAJ =3D 7378km)
WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL= 4RAJ =3D 6251km)

TA crossings east to west:
PA0A was copied by= 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 =3D 7546km)
M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG =3D 5792km)
SM6BHZ was= copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD =3D 5935km)
G4JNT was copied by 1= American (best DX W1VD =3D 5437km)

Also:
There were 23 spots of= PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO wou= ld have been possible.
Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots)

Another remarkable= thing:
Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only&= quot; 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km)
Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt)
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54=A0=A0 PA0A=A0=A0 0.503899=A0=A0= -25=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 JO33de=A0=A0 5=A0=A0 KL1X=A0=A0 BP51ip=A0=A0 7066=A0=A0= 347
=A0
=A0
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
=A0
Really awfu= l night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
=A0
73
=A0
Laurence KL 1 X
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--001485f5ceb80493c4047ce8c21e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-8be44b55950b242; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:18:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A95AA380000B0; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXC5k-0000kg-PA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXC5k-0000kX-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXC5k-0004no-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 16904 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2010 11:17:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263899862; bh=EGt9LxTJnZSKm52YUHY00lyFZwOyyKRdWBjw2h4IIPY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NYd9r5FBNxLju7YOWfrRjPZAt+BjR+zcxp3bbHsvpkSY4IuapD8eFIj7+7aKiKuIu2RV3xoFDYIjMAxcv9WIwA3siEgNdanYREXCXGne5tXCTfAbmJzf1r7wjpnN+r002hCigSagekAoX4fqul115cYw1cRaWVWRXb8W1fWPStk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o0u81LXpmQN5PCIck3bdsIeVYIOMXZ0snDcPz+iCYhBTM8ZZ1HG2BsqjWFMpk0x2eWBN4XIhpIK1HhE62xFE9wK1m7Im/b20zAmFOHAmNxwiGp2pmOkhBb2BPKFxQcEkEpXCp6HqTOrtk8+71RhF2f120cYzyNVvi3vUanmElHY=; Message-ID: <541170.16770.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CZdPN84VM1ngvZ6lSqxOwztElKyVbkFvfqRrqjPf2umZEXwwjGUei_mnFq8a2fik5upu8yD3sFwVAx5ugbqJ8fiJGYsfr_eRtLV6jnerFe7D3UwBbsjKN1XfSi0vE2Ut5UDGfweFqkPZlZlJSSAZVF7AZ3CiwpZLVWhC3bAheicEpxKYjfpql4xBzIh3sDpzkHV7gIMBc4nUoYgdVRsj10KWkeI9hTCJ.O2A_1U_JB7A2uhnklRGWVTjFRm7qduOY9GQ1YmlNWlXmTBxT2AZ Received: from [86.130.67.196] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:17:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz Webradio Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-380039571-1263899862=:16770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b5595092f9c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Kees =A0 Last time=A0I looked they had 60m not 600m but now they have MF. That Iris= h harmonic shows up clearly on it.... some power where it shouldn't be ..e= h? =A0 I have used the 80m display to monitor a 20milliWatt beacon=A0from a singl= e=A0 2n3819 fet tx. It gave an interesting insight on 80m propogation betw= een here and there. Plus one or two reports from stations that had only RX= ed me via the Twente SDR. =A0 More people look at the Twentw SDR than look at the V/MF grabbers so it co= uld be good. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, kees nijdam wrote: From: kees nijdam Subject: LF: 500 kHz Webradio To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 22:27 UT Twente has now also 500 kHz, and it works. http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ 73, Kees, PE5T =20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Kees
 
Last time I looked they had 60m not 600m but now they have MF.= That Irish harmonic shows up clearly on it.... some power where it should= n't be ..eh?
 
I have used the 80m display to monitor a 20milliWatt beacon from= a single  2n3819 fet tx. It gave an interesting insight on 80m propo= gation between here and there. Plus one or two reports from stations that= had only RXed me via the Twente SDR.
 
More people look at the Twentw SDR than look at the V/MF gr= abbers so it could be good.
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, kees nijdam <cl= nijdam@chello.nl> wrote:

From: kees nijdam <clnijdam@chello.nl>Subject: LF: 500 kHz Webradio
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Dat= e: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 22:27

UT Twente has now also 500 kHz, and it works.
http://we= bsdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/


73,

Kees, PE5T


=20 --0-380039571-1263899862=:16770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b48c99830d; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:23:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 19654380000D0; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfwp-0008KB-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfwp-0008K2-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTfwm-0000Fr-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:22:02 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAFNYSEtcHEyX/2dsb2JhbACCFYtAggPFAoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,248,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="425470199" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.76.151]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jan 2010 18:21:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:21:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b48c9976324 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dead End mode The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are= strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KKorn42@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? OK, Lee, 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. Or are we lured into a dead end ..... 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dead End mode<= /DIV>
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or= CW=20 MODE.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09,= 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
 
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
 
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA9158.9D20EA10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b5c656c1d7; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A248F380000A0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4GK-0006l3-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4GK-0006kt-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:28 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4GH-00008r-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:20:27 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so1469981pzk.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:20:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EFKRvSKG8/Silor3d/1EvQRuniL1UTl8gMXgsLaXN/I=; b=niap6oLPSRaOwawNxuSxO0yH8IXJxSoZRi3laNlOx7kvniQ2dEXdCVqKaht60TAqBv IwL/d5VskI/eH7L2t+IlqM/ziwNwSZNU/bRK6UtgJcX9C0rbESsn20qiLMw7pkcjSqUW IcIvoZxlE7IzsMDvfS98HoGb3WeAdxyAPyYS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VhY2S1R+FjW1wkO2y0m27zHWIoBi5DzOVnEBUMNh/QhIwcd50CeuuYC9OC0kc/PEMZ ri5NbrSgGNrLgelS89gr1FdC7bbN73xoJdqUEAL5s/ODgABlqhEBN/s0p30tlSJTBxhd 3ZGKe3WyUfNr1dUC+o1sezi+NPXMnSQFcMrY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.132.8 with SMTP id j8mr3661226wan.215.1264346417183; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:20:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001240720j5ced7c92j490f0c3962250b9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5c656a2fc7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture, WD2XGJ was back at full power (QRO). -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:36 AM, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Warren,LF, > Nice capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.205]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b52d4c7197; 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Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5E7BB18056; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from 238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (238.63-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.63.238]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20100117101158.l6gj53nruso8c0ok@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:11:58 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.63.238 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4b52d4c57cb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I noticed on www.wsprnet.org that WE2XGR/2 and /6 have been wispering on 511550 last night, but with little European audience. An advance notice (here) would allow us to tune up to 511kHz. I'd like to give it a chance. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-86654b3e6c8a31e; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2174438002990; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQpCj-0002R4-JE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQpCj-0002Qv-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQpCh-00033R-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:41 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so8774573bwz.4 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3qlJcoCkO+5+Ssp9x/aoPdbU36iYhgjU+wFei46FgPo=; b=ALu9JcN/bn6Kv02hLE5JShswsG6+MQYROQaKhg24UEHJpesPF7zhb8nDhJj8I2R4JR i7kwwA+4yHqxsSB4dSerZlU0BzXIZz+lMFqf9w6qftpgbSKLBXf1m+HTngI6NScW3l0A 0mA4BkGFIpvnxTyhvgYDvsNpuXauNbX2LsYrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jwmCGh1uAKVyFSYwV0O5UyW0BOcm/QXFyZ7kHGcMVEAKrOVDQi8OSc4mDew4UMEai1 DnIhmUjlqvOEWzWpdtduzjDOGUMsCiEzI/m5VaX/Cpy0A7yqx2L+N5t7WWhCq07UmC1e Hl5aVW/cUoBSUBR+I2g7nIB9x/PcpNx8JqXA4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.69 with SMTP id 5mr4718542bky.83.1262381913349; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:38:33 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001011338x54ad6c0ex87084559e113e75f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon WSPR parameters changed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924b3e6bad5773 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very strong here in East Cambs Jim (+8/+9dB S/N). 73s and happy NY to all Roger G3XBM 2010/1/1 James Moritz > Dear LF Group, > > Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports very > welcome > > I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's changes, > and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this mode. > > Happy new year to all on the LF reflector, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very strong here in East Cambs Jim (+8/+9dB S/N).

73s and happy NY= to all

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/1 Jame= s Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Dear LF Group,<= br>
Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports= very welcome

I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's change= s, and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this= mode.

Happy new year to all on the LF reflector,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000e0cd1e31e841e94047c213128-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b4f87233bc; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9266838000158; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002cI-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002c9-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWrO-0007gi-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81836 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xs7BgUBhuwfxwfoLHu5PWyIim7PrAcvv4vwKwFJVw5Ff4kpNR8KWOyHu+CzP62P2uwNc3Yb8GxGjxeaSWUtIBs2mOBL9FEsTRq8QzWBFLB5d7BnIJz/38LHnZaOyuaESkI9Pbg6o8QrBdcF413AdC8ZVEZIhC6KChoe0YOcPVo0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: J3rLDRMVM1ltJLhSzq2aKnFsyP7PqcA4IyDos_T5xN5zI3RsUYWEA8DRtUg5wS7qkNrCESs9sE7DSz2b3U2CdO4Et.JF9cbof5qbGnNYi8vchvcmoLX30N2snDGyf8SXnIoIjWXphb9OGtPZXQ1syvk1.1uka3SlBqf_mMIOT_ZYqbHXufSsjJShOSbihXByxPlZw0pjM.LV3UaScRt1qfXylaMKWjOlAN6BMHjh7M3OTsuxIxdlVg4eym0ZLDb9_SASgL2GbiSRscDsrZMWxg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6B19E6A235CD4B6387D6C9F1DEDB7025@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b4f87205b8a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, Roger, LF Group, In my transverter design, I have added a "ref out" socket to the IC718 driving transceiver to make the 32MHz reference oscillator available externally. This is divided to 4MHz for use as the LO in the transverter mixer. The overall frequency stability is thus that of the reference in the IC718, which has the TCXO option, so frequency is quite accurate, within about 0.1Hz at 500k last time I checked, and drift during operation rather less than that. BTW, I also have an FT-817 - I don't think they have done it on the cheap... the 22.625MHz is the actual frequency reference, driving LO and BFO DDSs via various multipliers and also providing the 2nd LO signal, but I think the 22.7785 is a VCXO which is modulated by the TX audio and then tripled to obtain NBFM at the 1st IF frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > Yes, I did :-) > > The FT817 block diagram shows two oscillators in the chain a master at > 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked out > straightaway. They done it on the cheap :-( > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-8bf34b50ebd04a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:27:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D9A8838000057; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVucY-0000V8-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVucY-0000Uz-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVucX-0007EY-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222615.UUCT27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:15 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVucQ-0000LN-VB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:15 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:26:12 -0000 Message-ID: <038b01ca9631$be7ae750$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzwAADU+mA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=1MLPTJVkG5FIBiRbJcQA:7 a=hzCHH16iXetkPX6sy6t1mgj9nrUA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=AKDBPuvKuKPtkC7H:21 a=G_zv6QACyCo8TUvC:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b50ebce279e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At G7NKS, the biggest culprit for RFI is the plasma screen in the loun= ge! The XYL is watching the "Witless Silence" and Jonathan Woss and it cau= ses havoc from LF to 20m. It's an old (2001) NEC display (no tuner) and= class A for RFI=20 Jim G7NKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 15 January 2010 22:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5f014b65e326150; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:08:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75D0A38000082; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbg3e-0000Fz-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbg3d-0000Fq-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:09 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbg3b-0001lM-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:09 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0VK60ne026936 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.c9e.620d9932 (34982) for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229228199.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.228.199]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b65e29d115; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b65e3257200 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audiostream a few minutes before 20 UT= : {10}Test transpission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=D8 watts ERP 2=D8=D8 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT There was also a weaker PSK31 signal a few Hz up for a short while.=20 Best 73, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: LF Group (RSGB)=20 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 LF,=20 I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be= 1000 Hz. Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any= replies/calls in that mode. The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will var= y. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Gary,
 
decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audio= stream a few=20 minutes before 20 UT:
 
{10}Test=20 transpission from G4WGT
Locator IO83qo
Tx RF 5=D8 watts
ERP 2=D8=D8 mW
Mode and station control by SpecLab
Test de G4WGT
 
There was also a weaker PSK31 si= gnal a few Hz=20 up for a short while.
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 201= 0 6:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08

LF,=20

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.<= /DIV>

I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offse= t will be=20 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I= say it)=20 any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx wil= l=20 vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CAA2B9.2A1466B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b62ce0c212; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:01:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DB8538000180; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NapW4-0006qj-1z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:00:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NapW3-0006qa-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:59 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NapW0-0008HB-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:59 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 275E21C00091 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1A8651C00092 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.76]) by mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CCAF91C00091 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:59:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129115949838.CCAF91C00091@mwinf3609.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9999B72886304F8D8C654E8B28D3178A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> In-Reply-To: <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b62ce0b4d75 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Dex That's some attenuation hihi .. what is the tx Ae ? 73 -Graham . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:35 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly > > Graham wrote: >> Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you >> can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! >> 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 W4DEX EM95tg >> 6140 284 >> >> Tnx for the decode >> Graham >> G0NBD >> >> > > QSL Graham! Received thorough a 20 db attenuator in line with a 500 KHz > TX antenna connected to a FT-817 with it's internal attenuator selected. > > Dex, W4DEX > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5ee54b6498aa1e6; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:38:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6D0338000134; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbK3f-0004BH-UY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbK3f-0004B8-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from n7c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbK3e-0003Cd-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:43 +0000 Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.182] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 20:36:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 891400.36201.bm@omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14292 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 20:36:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264883792; bh=UBXEoj0KwUIQq7wlLfrSbGEF0ptwjjHQnyx4R1mP2zg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rV7dqP79EY2l307vZB8gPRQhp+fzgcl/fKe767+773CAMEYAoxIPQkyKPvdTXYTTFeUKhXJI0fLM1RnjMRzaGMgllmjwE5Qy3bmh1kJ8SvnXSgdHxiWGHN/N0xvcSvUSl3apuizglMDAYbIjRz0e9Ro9O81cZGrM6jQkQKT/RRI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4CgoI5tdRmAHziX03674cU7zGUWOdElKydbvkQvBLAY4mSFCruMY6134IuCo7hlNtloUv+MgxsDFO4/SO68ihLsaUNKn6p9OGBPVfbiIbjxILxmIqGHgSNCzPI6cWHYM31Pn0GiFzVXQJPWwVeMCa/hD+zsFKhJXUxRm3DujZJ8=; Message-ID: <934244.12961.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _mW24LQVM1k6Pv3a.vUrpi8Ak8P886GIClkAjyLjkKZ.IaTlWNLh1xfm6ESgtL.E5bpqSal.1clS3pNw5txuHhbSLnBMGjFd8vD905_6bGHXZQ1lIpo17J2OIYB.RTOgFYJ0KZ37EWa820T6kDxQOkLMXSxTVBj6xSCXNHSHTJBQhJk7eloZxauud1bUsutApx5e8CDk_iRd0MsElbrKPSLswnXS2ihP2rjvHUH8QMM_5EhzTGg0Jqt2FtJuWiWETdVOvyXF9ZbwpoQnA4h6XYFvtQbQyb_Y52W3PIyFeVClXTSFwPlNryG5X_JDzC1Gmi6HCOQ. Received: from [86.164.98.33] by web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:32 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b6498a87011 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of the laser + PIN boards= I offered last year? There was no interest then.......! Just take it away. Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:39:18 Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > =20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. > =20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. > =20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > =20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC --0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alan,
it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of= the laser + PIN boards I offered last year? There was no interest then...= ....!
Just take it away.

Sam, G4DDK




From: ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
Sent: Saturday,= 30 January, 2010 19:39:18
Subjec= t: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with th= e BF862

Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time bu= t assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not really= up to speed with opto-devices.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Sat,= 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darms= tadt.de> wrote:

> From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
> Subject: LF: 2nd= try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Saturday,= 30 January, 2010, 19:26
>
> 
> 
>&nb= sp;
>
> Dear LF,
> 
> Some OMs informed= me, that the picture of
> the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come,
&= gt; since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?)
> 
> Now= i try to do it again. Those who asked
> for the picture, please giv= e my a short confirmation if the
> picture is in the correct format= now.
> 
> I will subscribe to the reflector with
>= ; another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri
> agn.
>= ; 
> I do some modifications to the RX in the
> moment= and will send the new and perhaps better circuit
> soon. But the se= tup is already working vy fine!
> 
> 73,
> Stefan/= DK7FC

--0-2037004036-1264883792=:12961-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.24]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b61ab3a2e; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:20:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 43F5038000138; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaW9F-0002sb-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaW9E-0002sS-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:08 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaW9B-0007pf-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:08 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=3842 helo=EFREMOV) by mx30.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaW95-000Oft-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:59 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:18:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184b61ab393b78 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduce > power. > Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. > Power 5 W. > Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. > > Thanks! > > > 73 Andrey > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG071-5fa4b4e3e7d27f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG105-5fa4b4e3e7d27f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVAyf-00052T-IP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVAyf-00052K-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVAyd-0003T1-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:42:09 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0DLg4sW032146 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:42:05 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:42:04 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A99@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A99@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Thread-Index: AcqTz73IMmrNBboiRRetKIo1j7Q3gQAyWh9H References: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.673;13.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.13.213037 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9499.3ECFB225" Subject: LF: AW: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9499.3ECFB225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to ur RX, Dave! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 22:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. 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Hi LF,
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best 73s
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrey,=20 =20 Perhaps it is an idea to use 2 wires in parallel as the antenna wire. If= you connect the two wires together at the end, you have the possibility= to fed a DC current to the wire to melt the ice. A few Volt and a few Amp= ere should be enough, so not much power waste. It could be fed by a standa= rd AC-decoupling network or can be injected during the TX breaks of your= beacon by a relay (or it can be done by hand from time to time ;-) ). So= you could avoid the crash of your wire... =20 What do you think? ;-) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von rn3agc Gesendet: Do 28.01.2010 16:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was cover= ed with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned= off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey > Hello Andrey, > > just traces of your signal, > > 73 > Victor > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens rn3agc > Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 16:29 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) > > > Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, > > Many thanks for the reports! > I am very surprised such good results. 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([65.55.34.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZUSi-0002Td-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:19:01 +0000 Received: from COL122-W43 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:18:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:18:52 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 19:18:52.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B03D0C0:01CA9DF3] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_02951dd4-b3f9-493a-a9b9-24313b916494_" Subject: LF: PA0AM_EI0CF_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 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I saw some nice signals on 600m just now. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_63737d13-e0e4-4edf-b162-b52ffca6a203_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I saw some nice signals on 600m just now.

Lubos, OK2BV= G, JN88KS

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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:07:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME036-9aa4b4b063f269; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:06:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUI5o-0000vS-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUI5o-0000vF-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUI5l-00054n-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:52 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-30-242.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.30.242] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUI5l-000Fo6-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4B4B06AB.6060309@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:08:27 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Graham. I consider it very good material for antennas. I used it some years ago at Amberley Museum for a large LF antenna for 73kHz and a very large V beam for 21MHz transatlantic TV tests. It also can be used as 80 Ohm transmission line. Regards Peter, G3LDO > GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? > > Looks like the wire is used from pole to house , has supporting wire > and thinner conductors in a pvc sheath > > anyone any idea about its suitability for a long wire Ae ? > > tnx - G .. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-a5b94b49f43518a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:37:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFA79380000AB; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzpw-00039q-Mq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTzpw-00039h-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTzpu-0002hL-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFALiCSUtOkJx9/2dsb2JhbACNUwbEGoQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,251,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280915826" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.144.156.125]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 15:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:36:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b49f4332604 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. 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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA920A.A02359C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-60c4b4c515627a; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:39:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG123-60c4b4c515627a; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:39:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUe8e-00085J-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUe8e-00085A-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUe8d-0004v4-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0CAc0Oa032497 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:38:00 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bcb.666f0af3 (37258) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA078-918a4b4c50da257; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:37:55 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:37:13 +0000 Message-Id: <1263292633.5459.7.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes Gary, It all came together shortly after I had figured out that no matter whether it was string, rubber bands or wire, the connection between two baked bean cans needed to be taut in order for communications to take place! Meccano was fun too - only 10 or so years ago I used the knowledge gained as a kid and Meccano parts from a car boot sale to create a drive system for a roller coaster. 73 On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 09:54 +0000, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Pat, LF, > > > You wrote :- > "As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old > transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The > Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF > or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement > was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever > surpassed it" > > > I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just realised > that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years ago). > That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under the stairs in > my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft. > > > 73 > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/11 g4gvw > Oh dear Mal! > > I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen > living in > the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws > and > regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms > there is a > political influence at work in the legislature of any country > with a > legal or regulatory system. > As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years > ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device > together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old > transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough > volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called > "The Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something > called LF or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of > achievement was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since > has ever > surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple > DXCC on > every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore > as an end > in itself. > You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of > ignorance > - I no longer have that excuse! > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were > afraid a mere > > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same > criteria did not > > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "g4gvw" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting > anyone > > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) > licences from > > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) > derives was intended > > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a > prohibition on any > > > effective radiation. > > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the > presence or > > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude > might be > > > considered a "message"! > > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an > amateur radio > > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those > stations who > > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I > cannot determine > > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of > view of a > > > listener under the regulations. > > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit > anything at any > > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and > conditions to > > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is > a strange and > > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > > In a recent message, John P-G > wrote ... > > > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message > whatsoever? > > > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations > of your Licence: > > > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is > only used: > > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, > including > > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it > is merely an > > > > addition to it. > > > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-864d4b3f8ec11c9; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:21:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 17EDD3800158D; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR8UU-0005Jv-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR8UU-0005Jm-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR8UR-0002Ms-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:14:18 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.41] (helo=[10.228.80.182]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NR8UK-000Kb6-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:14:09 +0300 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:10:58 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Sanders" To: Cc: "Ypma, S.H." , , , "Albert" References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:13:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b40d06b6e60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All LF, Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently received= permissions (via VRZA) to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010.= PA0A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible mis= understandings caused by my previous email to the reflector. The Dutch= Telecom Authorities nor VRZA have publicised anything on their Intern= et sites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been= informed about anything yet. Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his acheivements! Best Regards / Best 73's Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've bee= n warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called= him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give= Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not= yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band to= t the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those= able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publicatio= n is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been ad= equately informed about the process. It is not even clear if notificat= ions to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs hav= e already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this= reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and= therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'r= adio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band wit= hout official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO= with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch= Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radi= o Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiments tra= nsmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future= will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact'= as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's,= starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's= from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy'= but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on= his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radioze= ndamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over= de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wa= t de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie= tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de= 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij= de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De veren= igingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen= een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de= verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment.= Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmer= king kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor= de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij= dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amateur= s in PA have=20 apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to transmit= =20 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this and= I=20 appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my= previous=20 email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA&nb= sp;have=20 publicised anything on their Internet sites until now and th= e VERON=20 members (like myself) have not been informed about anything yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in order= for=20 his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we'v= e been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called him=20 although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates=20 a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use the= =20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M.= Sanders=20 <misan@xs4all.nl&= gt;=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A= on 500kHz=20 / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc= :=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
=
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the offi= cial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experiment= al=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio= =20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able= to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publicati= on is=20 quoted below. However not all their memebers= seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the pr= ocess. It=20 is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transmis= sions like=20 the one recorded below and and therfore QSO's= with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio= =20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an fre= quency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amat= eurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting= date=20 somewhere in the future will be in order= , and not=20 legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-= 1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich= history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first= succesful=20 trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse,= was=20 convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the Judge= =20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tende= ncy to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot= 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op= 7 oktober=20 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz= band. De=20 verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het= uitzenden=20 in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die= voor de=20 WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultate= n van het=20 onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingsc= ommissie=20 voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een= rapport=20 indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek= te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de= inhoud van=20 de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenig= ingen nog=20 overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorw= aarden voor=20 de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidde= ls met de=20 VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder= =20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwo= ordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuel= e=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen ko= men voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Individ= uele aanvragen=20 voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door= =20 Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">
Zo= dra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beken= d via deze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

&nb= sp;

 
----- Original Message ---= --
Sent: Friday, Janua= ry 01, 2010=20 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA= 0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the tw= o of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T



------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8CA0.6C483D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b556538141; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:54:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D8663800012F; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX8th-0007xy-Rm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX8th-0007xp-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX8tf-0003DA-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.8]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC8041CDBB for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav12p.corp.thales (10.33.231.32) by thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9CC10063B646 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.1]) by thsmsgiav12p.corp.thales with smtp id 17f1_c077_a8fcf370_04cf_11df_bb87_0013725118e7; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt11p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7C459802F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:53:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b5565364e95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Piotr Before spending any euros (pennies) in such a project, please get a serious look on the power budget of such micro-payloads. Transmitting continuously analog signals to the groundc(from MF/LF or any other bands) is very power demanding, if you consider the limited surface of the solar panels of such microsats. This message does not mean "Don't do it", but you should seriously work first on the power budget and on the link budget for such a project :o) Jean-Louis F6AGR AMSAT-France > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of > Piotr Mlynarski > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:09 PM > To: 137khz > Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? > > Dear LF group, > I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues, > however i > thought it would be interesting to some readers... > Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: > http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm > { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially about > hardware and software already included in this Kit } > Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a sort of > "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, > i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboard a > satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF signals > and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could chase > his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply > make a qso...) > Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . > > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ > p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $ so > adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this > group and we > may have > our "LF/MF toy" in space :) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4b559e121c5; 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10 Jan 2010 19:28:47 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:28:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b4a2ac80dae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur= trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had th= e trace been keyed it could have been identified. I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and specu= lation and use normal CW or QRS CW Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Litt= le antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regard= ing noise. RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot= be calculated just guessed and meaningless. Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for= given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on= 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easie= r for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 99= 0kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming= another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop"= under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just= spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly= close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace fro= m me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was= far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on= the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation= of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my= current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limi= t for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimatin= g or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at tha= t power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if= one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be= possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a gi= ven Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further= would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the= other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is= different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known= paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to= all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CA922B.20F4BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied=20 u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for som= e time but=20 had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid=20 guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often=20 at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and= =20 environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn,=20 these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real=20 time.
 
G3KEV
 
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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 7:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget= calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than mo= st=20 stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it= may be=20 easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others.

Fo= r what=20 it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms rang= e in=20 S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-= 12dB in=20 hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable= conditions.=20 I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. Th= e magic=20 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just ha= ve seen a=20 "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away,= but if it=20 was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting= to see=20 what people say is possible based on the propagation theory=20 etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <= ;james.cowburn@virgin.= net>

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions= on a resource=20 for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set=20 distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV re= asonably=20 consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of aro= und -22dB=20 and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for= roughly=20 estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range= (EMR) at=20 that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences betwee= n separate Rx=20 stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx station= s then it=20 should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal str= ength at a=20 given Rx based on its performance with other known=20 signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say= -22dB then how=20 much further would the remaining  8dB or so of WSPR detection= get me,=20 assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if the= ir=20 capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB diff= erence=20 over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or= pointers and=20 best wishes to all for a great 2010

Wit= h best=20 regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr.= James Cowburn=20 G7NKS

E=20 james.cowburn@virgin.net<= FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue>

 

 

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Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.89]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-86a14b5b6aab1eb; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:31:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2886538000101; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnYi-00008I-7W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnYh-000089-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:19 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnYf-0005ug-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:19 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3553065pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u6VncuDdFX7bdAYGTm5Rt1BW0QXL63dh1cu7GFeJgCA=; b=Mj2Whha0FS2Hd4TvD3uf+wtdIrQUIbI6s0jWBrwNjvR8mluCBiEoCJ8/NnS2Ct3unB kAcB/NkNhvySxpjUicthjT7fUBshC1J47n4T8zZL4YICTTuv+QKyEritivuDyJWysfPY 2P9z4jrFiq7CRt2wU0YnCWYYSgH7sSpAVK/6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Ab+iOCFjD5wInsf2gpiizBl4MDDexZ1kAVx6pHWORkTK0viUf3oM6LHvZ7lcC+v3Ud vFZaON4OiRSAGcZmwNgru/NR6WFuSfqwExaJoVRSKP6mLYMQAqgvjtBzEBNv/x1ELnnL 1qSYJZxGXl/dQh9LoxMqg4ZNMRCgWemi6q/+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.22.20 with SMTP id z20mr3280177rvi.23.1264282209095; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:30:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d6b8665b67288693 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594b5b6aaa461b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Rik, Thank you. I took a break to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's. BTW, nice reply to Mal. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

Thank you.

I took a br= eak to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's.

BTW, nice reply to Mal.

73, Gary - G4WGT


2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
Gary,

a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


--000e0cd1eb0af81280047ddba382-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b894b5785ad2d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:38:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD073-b894b5785ad2d4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:37:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjAL-0001VQ-Sz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjAL-0001VH-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjAJ-0000Io-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:36:45 +0000 Received: from COL122-W17 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:36:37 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:36:36 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2>,<9afca2641001201424n3a9312ecl9664b960346809dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:36:37.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[070AD870:01CA9A21] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_" Subject: LF: G3XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yess, it is a good idea! And than I will buy the second pint! :-)) Lubos, OK2BVG=20 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:24:41 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM I'm now beginning to believe that anything is possible Eddie. Good luck wi= th the dripping tap. Lubos, if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English= beer for certain :-)) 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 g3zjo Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations,=20 "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yess, it is a good idea! And than I will buy the second pint! :-))
<= br>Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22= :24:41 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

I'm now beginning to believe that= anything is possible Eddie. Good luck with the dripping tap.

Lubos= , if you are ever in Cambridge I shall buy you a pint of best English beer= for certain :-))

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com><= br>

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Yeh ! Con= gratulations Roger.

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Lubos you= have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">73=

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

= Eddie G3ZJO

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratulations,&n= bsp; "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos OK= 2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.

 

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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro= v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_337d53ca-405f-45de-afd3-5aad6b47de23_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b558ba6e0; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 795AC3800005D; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXBSd-0000aO-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXBSd-0000aF-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXBSb-0000YB-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:37:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D269B51C00F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED5431E703 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:56 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:36:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119103656.AED5431E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR_in_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_96643414==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b558ba45833 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_96643414==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, are you using WSPR version 2 ? Version 1 produces this "BadMsg" with complex calls. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:42 19/01/2010, you wrote: >Hello LF! >I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night. >My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6 > >2332 -29 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2 > >0204 -24 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0302 -26 -0.4 0.511551 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0304 -25 0.7 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only: > >0404 -20 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0432 -19 0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >0504 -19 0.8 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >My last written record was at 06:24UT: > >0624 -28 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR (BadMsg) > >I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only. > > >73! >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > > > >---------- >Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten=20 >prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. --=====================_96643414==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos,

are you using WSPR version 2 ?
Version 1 produces this "BadMsg" with complex calls.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:42 19/01/2010, you wrote:
Hello LF!
I listend on 511.500kHz in WSPR mode last night.
My first written record was at 23:32UT WE2XGR/6

2332 -29  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

so it was continue and than I saw WE2XGR/6 and /2

0204 -24  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0302 -26 -0.4   0.511551  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0304 -25  0.7   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

and than I saw WE2XGR/6 only:

0404 -20  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0432 -19  0.6   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

0504 -19  0.8   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

My last written record was at 06:24UT:

0624 -28 -0.5   0.511500  0 WE2XGR (BadMsg)

I saw WE2XGR/6 many times during the night, it is the short list only.


73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS




Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
--=====================_96643414==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a7c4b5de2f783; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:29:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA074-a7c4b5de2f783; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:29:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZTec-0005BR-75 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZTeb-0005BI-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZTeZ-0002AV-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:27:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAAdxXUtOluZP/2dsb2JhbACNUgPNRoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,340,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437915274" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.230.79]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 18:26:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9deb$f7100ca0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:26:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caught the tail end of GT K then qrt G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Caught the tail end of GT K
then qrt
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9DEB.F6AE64A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-86004b4f259c1d0; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:09:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5D5B380000CA; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQM3-0008Kd-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQM3-0008KU-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVQLv-00010u-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:07:19 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so3909558pwj.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LC1taEfsHAD9Y1SM4REaPLW1WkHtpMGXn2r5EegsDfY=; b=rpurMoAJUiuk1WDEn7gks/xFWYY1pzr07XQer20jV7yItaFODYwzugWsKgiYV5gNIf yL5f4NYQhL7Kzfj2m4iMpTay16+iwBk9MdKVb18B9JWGGlE87FPp5LMYnm2joRJKGpSY SlcRL+a/Kfhz2rNfsyPfDnokOHPShKUp37aw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tXB9/YQN3EA7V3Cpd3a1uaacdekfP4w2hXnN9BjPNJGVkEZ1/4/CoCVpWkz8Bqtmc8 GGzWfqsVUC02oXOrepJpasaldWrIgilWtOXwVuCpOB5tSsxL71TyuweMtXZqQ6bVW/A8 f2+hDMXV/4Tduus+G6ZxJ9NWhXV7NBmZrDosc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.82.25 with SMTP id f25mr621543rvb.91.1263478016030; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:06:55 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9e3c38f5bd86a12 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4f25970d02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Tracey, Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID :- 498.7 *NT* 0 UNID XUU UNIDENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if it gets strong enough. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > Hello Gary > > Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > > If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there are a > good number of unid NDBs in that area. > > Tracey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > > Hi Roman, LF, > > I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > > I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about > 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there > appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks > like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that > frequency. > > I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either > side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of > the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > interested. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> >> Hi LF! >> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >> >> -- >> Roman RW3ADB. >> >> > --000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tracey,

Thanks, I have looked at the list & the= nearest is the following UNID :-

498.7 NT =A0 0 =A0 =A0XUU =A0= =A0 ENG IRL 2 200= 5-08-28 =A0=A0

Not= =A0sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if= it gets strong enough.

=
73, Gary - G4WGT.

=


2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.ga= rdner@talktalk.net>
Hello Gary
=A0
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
=A0
=A0
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
=A0
Tracey
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010= 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whic= h=20 looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment),=A0but nothing on my lists for= =20 an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few= kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the= HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may= be=20 interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


--000e0cd2e04e53b6d5047d206624-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB093-864b4b64a1c420d; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:16:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B16ED380000C7; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKf7-0004cB-CN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbKf6-0004c2-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:24 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbKf4-0003WF-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:24 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0ULFLWJ021253 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:15:21 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:15:21 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:12:48 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC8@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Thread-Index: Acqh8JMeyxcXzMHiS06qT4BQEbJNtwAAGY6n References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B649F35.6060801@ukonline.co.uk> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.210320 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1F1.53832B53" Subject: AW: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b64a1c21558 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1F1.53832B53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Peter and thank you. =20 This was my first mail to that subject ;-) But we have found it now, as yo= u can see. Tnx for the efforts! =20 Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Peter Dodd Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 22:05 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s Is this what you wanted Stefan? Peter, G3LDO On 16/12/2009 16:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almo= st bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without= anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a= SFH750V = as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, ther= e are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment= ). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and ther= efore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the= VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and= high amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. Th= e overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression metho= ds cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both= sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the= shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective dis= tance to the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lea= d Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, on= e could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppo= site way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mou= nting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a pu= blication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to beco= me popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be= usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to shar= e my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! 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X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A= JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23<= br>1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
19= 08 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10&nb= sp; 0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0&n= bsp;  0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten pra= v=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. =3D --_24395438-3f2d-4469-8553-94e8817d9695_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-5eae4b58ce2523a; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B325538000069; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY52T-00085n-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY52S-00085e-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:04 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY52P-0000gB-HH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:58:04 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so607080bwz.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Nq6dU9q1MurT+9qDvH+fPeTAWnnARTbP4Rau7Zejs2g=; b=h/B/XaiInFGyKnW//hcdXPol0u+ZMlCg3f8oS7AotldsyfRu4q2wWop02LbndRFxN0 475uHuHbgkzgBn2oY932Fh+CV6QM68CRfmKexab6snqI93zOqrW7hXgrbe+S+rYYnmym U0md/y00+DXfS9DqvybbpXtPzlMaf7ClnJFSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DiVYAwVyFZk+vL9HHMlw80i28KrdLzrb0bfVJH43Wx3OxvlUj3XfnZx2BBtZTfAaay HCG0cUgqAfZJeErSLK8uWC3HtottWecsUVLm4yMlICGtUyVeYFew9PqPvt39+WaxTKlT FpC4DC3gajJUQRIT4VGJGrur4ZTJ5HBhC07E8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.84 with SMTP id f20mr1074199bka.209.1264111075251; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001211357r4b1b3301jac8a10ee12a9e405@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Further DX reports from OK land Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b58ce232016 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again: 2010-01-21 21:32 G3XBM 0.503906 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102 2010-01-21 20:50 G3XBM 0.503908 -28 1 JO02dg 0.001 OK2BVG JN88ks 1232 102 Thanks again Lubos! 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos is listening again on 500kHz and has spotted my WSPR signal again:
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Thanks again Lubos!
73s
Roger G3XBM
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--00032555b3e698df49047db3cb93-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b439e5728d; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E5B093800007F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFpJ-0004xC-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFpI-0004x3-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:24 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSFpE-0003JZ-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:24 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so36713549pxi.30 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rtWmiwEPrqAtLOA3cU9K9pDer7mPSK6IieH4mJL3dBQ=; b=A5f2Fg0/VDXIfe07PgIONB+F+BnPxUhLWYT868Yz9DXvxjxuq9VSBxaHeNUT8oPv/t UAUwR0mqElx+vFsOaD1jh18A+qfmM6vpUxHWg/7E+0PP9quo/iqq7PFkFuJauE100djK MoJvcbv1h2wFN2F9BZPrbskET4NAecDD4JZRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=dXmPpRZtwiI/OF8HAk51qigZEzUCVkyCDeBnrAmZ/amf4P5T37DQ4Q5RPt+CDvzjpV gU+NIr2ddiwsTxUsFbHib2cdYfFZxlPzharglhUavnByO2a/1STMRYSW0cTYZS3UfO0g DCfIUrb+N4ek0mja+aqKWop5JbBvN064/BG4w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.4 with SMTP id r4mr1363552rvl.217.1262722573431; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:16:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:16:13 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ab59f1c3a14f716 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd139a8707304047c7082ce X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b439e545a9f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd139a8707304047c7082ce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc --000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Look at this capture. Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period. Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd139a87072f7047c7082cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.
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smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSd7Q-0007Vz-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:08:42 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D4481C00093 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6D6791C00098 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.160]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E6F811C00093 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:08:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100106210828946.E6F811C00093@mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:08:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b44fc120dd6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Seeing some sort of wide band data round 499 USB ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:39 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th > test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or > other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is > Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on > 500 > G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI023-eabc4b5afe8d10c; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:50:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 479AD3800011C; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgME-0005Hv-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgME-0005Hm-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgMB-0003K9-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:58 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1713135bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=56eTJHYdNqDx/H3KFnfSLx/FndMIqftWNmvRDQj6W6A=; b=itSQa+3PENWOdr/xItL4GsDS79s4dlLPkhsqS67llpfSE94axBZYlcWBXVcXoiNKN0 5ZuC9bUezePHYwlWlFyTN3lDZNV6/7++WUkgJDUPbMCoJqS3EFjKIKd/MhuMrwjHVE+n +GzUD24zLsOrf0AgsNQ4p7IeVTP8EggsLzemA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=I7OsKG8Pm9xKJeOgdzKOUHdz7EDKsuzPNQ5FG0/o2gv13stgAwoZZs+UAZ1wc72E1K zRlvCrpNh8aeLbKEt3ImBjoCpPcFBm+wXLylPUn5lnhfmvDYDLofEbLC193FZtWTklkV OQR3p2LDYCiewZHaeN2NH1T1DI0a9paO+bxTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.19 with SMTP id a19mr2340812bkd.90.1264254529567; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:48:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:48:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b5afe8b3b0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325556f8623fc03047dd53208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT= 4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I ha= ve managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

C= an someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies&qu= ot; guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?

73s
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--000325556f8623fc03047dd53208-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD032-8b7d4b5a122b368; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9984938000042; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQcT-0002qd-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQcS-0002qU-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:40 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQcP-0007WY-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 55629 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 21:00:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=L5nP950C3eijh7/0fPqU8knxR+vgztQsD+ABJlzHlfrbDfNunhB7poBzr27wwLGzQoixH6ZfXCIVQnEWYpKS3VMHIE5VAhOlvoKfnd3h50gMerUAFYGscqeSMHdKCrPJfeQR5UBo7MKPGoAfoa4+ajA9mhuSbh0BIcwMghgvFjg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 21:00:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: ODtl5scVM1lux6SY8h3SuUz.9rdstC6OZ9XQLxEHrJTCvp9QBViDHEOE_XKnSsli17Lb9pYvNhjWXsEKuknYnEEWzSEAYEUH.DeH8C83Vezk594pqd86n1Z5y_8xS5qseuVmq9YnDURvZweqxBXhjygcGA1j0aMn78e8rVXbHaIqwgtR_VA2vvkA5ZWtS.oMn2HUIWVA0uCJBZTVSo6KC5caWeQK8isfxbv2MXkRklbSgnSe2vJh_hg7.WGm5fVWJDGz_ukZEf5l1OwVJqad X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <72378D9981BD40D4B0D997CFD8EF3E46@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b5a122934e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Jim, LF, > > Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Well, I'm not sure - one kind of loses track after a while ;-) Thanks for the QSO, Gary. JT4A actually seems to work quite well for a rubber-stamp type of QSO on 500kHz. There were several deep fades during Gary's transmissions where the signal disappeared from the spectrogram. However, all overs decoded successfully here too. I have left my TX running transmitting test calls in JT4A mode on about 503.47kHz for a while if anyone else would like to have a look. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b64403f3aa; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ACFB138000200; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbE9r-0002Zu-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbE9q-0002Zl-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:42 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbE9n-000132-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:42 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3199C20000076 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.3.148.9]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B3C92000005B for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B643FBC.4040906@toya.net.pl> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <892136.82919.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <892136.82919.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b64403d538e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ALAN MELIA wrote: >Hi Piotr, Is it possible that Andy is radiating a much stronger ground-wave at that distance. I know the paths should be reciprocal, but if the weaker station ground wave was weaker, swamped in the noise?? Possibly the antennas for the others are radiating much more upward and the ground wave is being attenuated. The addition.subtraction of a ground wave at the same strength as the skywave could add or subtract 6dB (about the difference in the figures)....I know that the Lowfers in the States see a dead zone at their low power.....but that as with QRSS not a sophisticated system like WSPR. > >A slant range calculation formula is given on my web site. The apparent reflection height at 136kHz at night was lower of course 90-100km. At extreme range the apogee was calculated by raytracing at about 86km (from memory) At short range and high angles the signal will penerate further before being returned. The path calculated this was is in error because the refraction "shortens" the path over a "mirror reflection" model. >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm. > >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/fading.htm Dont take too much notice of the text it is quite old now but the equations work and can be solved at fading nulls. You need two receivers at different distances to resolve the ambiguities. > >An interesting point is that if you can calculate the ground-wave strength, you can estimate the skywave strength by the depth of the null(which asumes they are out of phase of course). > >I used the thumbnail figure that a watt ERP at 1km generates 300uV/m, for my calculations. These kind of simple models can be very useful in trying to understand what is happening and calculating whether any particular path is possible...... and its good fun !! > >Best Wishes >Alan G3NYK > > > Dear Alan, Thank you for your response , thank you for your comments and bringing my attention to your earlier work upon those issues. Had I known your papers before, my initial post would have been different :but few points are , say, equivalent. . according to slant calculations formula .. sure, i did the same sketch ( well, in some way, they had to be the same ) and i came up with equivalent eqns but in a more straightforward way. i was using a "cosine theorem' which holds for an arbitrary triangle: we have its a,b,c sides and between a and b we have angle alpha then we have that c*c = a*a +b*b - 2*a*b*cos(alpha) . if you make it a right triangle i.e. alpha = pi/2 then you have its cosine = 0 and "classical" Pythagoras shows up. The reason that i 've put simplifications was due to the numerical example i had in mind ( using Rik, on7yd, data ) After reading your post i immediately added few lines to the program. so now it has one approximation less :) assuming mean earth radius as 6370 km and using the notation from your sketch ( dcf39,porto) the path AD+DB = 483.7 km (approximate) and 487.1 km ( slant) with h = 120 km and AB distance 420 km . now the first sentence from your "simple path-loss calculation" paper.. "the book say Fs at 1km from 1kW ERP stn is 300 mV/m"... In my post it is the E = sqrt(60*P)/R as P is isotropic, erp is mutiplied by 1.5 ( short dipole) we have 1000*1.5*60 = 90000 and its sqrt is 300 [mV/m because R is 1 and expressed in km) so we know exactly the 'origin' of 300 mV/m .. :) Alan, it is just a 'hot' response to your post. I have to 'digest' the content of your papers and this will take some time but i already like very much your idea about the 'oscillating layer' ( again, dcf39,porto paper and 'further thoughts' chapter) will come back later to this ... Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-a9314b5b4fb1ef; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:36:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C68A380000FE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlla-0007TY-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYllZ-0007TP-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:29 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYllX-0005HA-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:29 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIEAADeWktOlvwl/2dsb2JhbACNdAXIEoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="281087364" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.252.37]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 19:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <009701ca9c63$25fb4500$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:34:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ON4ZK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b5b4fb062af X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one worked tonite on cw ON4ZK nice signal - CW g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New one worked tonite on cw ON4ZK nic= e signal -=20 CW
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------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA9C63.25C6C780-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b4e17423a4; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:56:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDE32380001DE; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV8MT-0004o2-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV8MT-0004nt-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV8MR-00022N-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 66156 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 18:54:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=i3gTgjU6V6RuaZAZdKZpoVECHfvAtNFDvlcqRv7+9WamnS3eR7u/gOibltdd1CLTatQNOHnvaRi2tyKLlwCs3L30IeM/nPjqO73L5PHfVo23TxBuqn2G3A32FBoreuZ7ZsaLJmfuHobJ0h1U2HPTvCAcp7vYyoO+PG3eKDWNAMQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 18:54:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: w7KCN4EVM1myL4MJ7_QPsKyzG1GmAyE1FKYGBHN_33kc22rZjqL95bLvfs4xqrVX2UOnrS6OUlfUaMEhukXRlqh0RqwiJoZz7oNloInyrV.AOC_b21DV0TZXCo9_NjIorXAG1X.bbM6oPFzdRh0Go9Lt3vQS8vVu0Bcnh3B_y0Er96OSkaS9cwDEygEHgFgtXWsRrdNjjTBgtYPCpRGepbzIQpS30sdsznXqY19IXgCi5Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <11F4F2A4333B47F98182FC8461A9BA47@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <003301ca946d$3f750460$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:54:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b4e173f3d90 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: > Tnx Jim for reply, but since a class D with a resonated output L/C becomes > a > single frequency tx it is getting close to class E design. All of these circuits which depend on a tuned tank circuit of some sort (class C, D, E, F...) are essentially single frequency devices, although often the tank loaded Q can be fairly low, and so accomodate a modest frequency change without re-tuning. Differences between class D and E are: -Class D designs of the "Decca" voltage-mode type are "zero-current switching", i.e. the output devices switch the voltage when the load current sine wave reaches its zero points, which reduces switching losses. (the push-pull G3YXM/G0MRF circuits are more-or-less the complementary, current-mode, zero-voltage switching type). Class E cleverly arranges things so that both voltage and current are zero when switching occurs, further reducing switching losses. -Class D are symmetrical circuit topologies with symmetrical waveforms at the output, while the basic class E circuit is single-ended with asymmetrical waveforms. > It would be interesting to observe the switching wave form while adjusting > L/C for resonance instead of just peaking for max output. As Andy says the Decca-type switching waveform is ideally always a square wave, irrespective of load impedance. The load current, observed with a current transformer, is always virtually a sine wave. The effect of mis-tuning is that the voltage and current waveforms get out of phase with each other. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-9fd4b4afbeb392; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:23:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG027-9fd4b4afbeb392; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHIb-0000XT-Ba for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHIa-0000XK-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:00 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUHIR-0008Oj-Bv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:00 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0BAEFgt019926 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Thread-Index: AcqSRsY+exLmHwR6RIW2Va/DoWcwEQAW+a2k References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <9afca2641001101442j52144c19v666c8d266a316f6e@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.670;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.11.100038 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA92A6.D4786A25" Subject: AW: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA92A6.D4786A25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger! =20 Tnx for your point of view. I do not disagree you but... ;-) WSPR will giv= e a good experience of the propagation and what can be done with a given= station and thus it can be useful to increase the knowledge of all of us.= It will be a good additional feature to LF unless the "real QSO modes" ar= e not neglected (i know in wspr is also a qso mode). But if many people wo= uld switch to WSPR instead of the other modes and if it gets boring after= some time, because it is rather a communication between computers, then= the whole activity would decrease, perhaps. It is the same with contests on HF: If you want to test a new antenna then= you could do say 5 personal QSOs with a real content and discuss about yo= ur antenna with the others and get a feedback e.g. about the QSB and so on= . Or, you can do 100 QSOs in a Contest and get 599tu (yes, in wspr there= are real rprts, thats an advantage ;-) ) and can say "I worked USA, Japan= , Afrika" and so on... That is a good way to check where you can be heared= but after a while, the 599tu gets boring for the most. Recently, accident= aly i found the website of GW4ALG who went QRT due to the contests. He mad= e excellent circuits for amateur radio, also for LF (my Converter was his= idea). I do not know the whole story but i can good imagine that he was= very active and interested and dissapointed by the trend to unpersonalize= d "QSOs" on amateur radio... =20 I am just a little afraid that now, many people will neglect QRSS/DFCW/CW= and go to WSPR so that the activity in the "old fashioned" modes will dec= rease. I will not follow to WSPR but i am interested in the informations= about the propagation on LF, that will be accumulated. I do not say "Let= the fingers from this mode", rather "Remember that amateur radio is prima= ry a communication between humans, not between computers". For QRSS one ca= n say it is the same but for me it is rather a audible to visible conversi= on, the human still has to do the work to catch a wanted signal out of a= noise :-) =20 73 :-) Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 23:42 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Dear Stefan, You are, in the end, correct and I am sure that Mal G3KEV will already be= writing his response in support of you email, HI. However, my own experience has been that WSPR has made possible propagatio= n experiments and equipment designs which, were I using CW, would not have= been possible. Six months ago I believed you needed 50-100W, capacitors= rated at hundreds of volts, antennas that resembled a military tracking= station and a ground system with miles of radials to get anywhere. Then,= with WSPR, I found out that very little was needed: a simple transverter= made with a handful of parts, an ATU made with a small ferrite rod and th= in copper wire, an antenna that is only 5m long and a ground that is, esse= ntially, the copper pipes in my home. With this modest station I have lear= ned a lot about MF propagation and had a great deal of real FUN.=20 So, whilst I agree that a "real" CW or phone two-way QSO is a great and pl= easurable part of ham radio, I do sincerely believe that WSPR, and indeed= many other modern digital modes like JT65, JT4 etc have their place on th= e ham bands of today. 73s and a happy New Year to you. 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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b649f7d32d7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Is this what you wanted Stefan? Peter, G3LDO On 16/12/2009 16:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almo= st bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without= anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a= SFH750V = as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, ther= e are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment= ). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and ther= efore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the= VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and= high amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. Th= e overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression metho= ds cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both= sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the= shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective dis= tance to the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lea= d Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, on= e could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppo= site way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mou= nting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a pu= blication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to beco= me popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be= usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to shar= e my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help= only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have help= ed all of us! > > > > > > 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b40b037192; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:56:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BF3D3800AE6C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRRo5-0001cN-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRRo4-0001cE-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:48 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRRo1-00043G-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:51:48 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.193] (helo=[10.238.129.97]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRRnt-000B4p-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:51:39 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:51:18 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:26:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:26:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b44ba2a16fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Scale is 5dB / division data captured from database by excel macro (available on my website,= version 1.8 is imminent. 1.7 has an error in the timestamping) Regards Mark GM4ISM ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01CA8EED.09C5C5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy,
I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3= stations, and=20 you can clearly see the snow build up and when you bashed it off!!
noticeable difference seen close in= and at=20 distance.
Scale is 5dB / division
data captured from database by excel= macro=20 (available on my website, version 1.8 is imminent. 1.7 has an error in= the=20 timestamping)
Regards
Mark GM4ISM
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([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:32:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:32:33 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<9afca2641001201407h2c67a57q429953bacca0f0d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:32:33.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[75C116E0:01CA9A20] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_" Subject: LF: G3XBM_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger and all friend! Thanks for your nice e-mails. I am really happy, that Roger=B4s and my te= st with WSPR QRPP was successful. It is unbelievable, that PWR 1mW is usab= le on that long distance. Thanks for the interesting test! 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 2200 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2202 10 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2206 -24 -0.6 0.503903 0 G3XBM JO02 0 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 =20 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!! Thank you so very very much for finding my tiny signal. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_95d206fc-f728-4f56-9ccb-ce00005d14e7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger and all friend!
Thanks for your nice e-mails. I am really= happy, that Roger=B4s  and my test with WSPR QRPP was successful. It= is unbelievable, that PWR 1mW is usable on that long distance.
Thanks= for the interesting test!

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Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 
 

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000
From: rog= erlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re:= LF: G3XBM

Truly BRILLIANT Lubos!!!!!

Thank you so very= very much for finding my tiny signal.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG &= lt;bvgbob@hotmail.com>=
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

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Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Dear MF,
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CAA044.9A64D480-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b5f81b01bd; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C147A38000159; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvHW-0001Ia-V0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvHW-0001IR-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvHU-0004rp-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:57:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0QNvBhF025481 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:57:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:57:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:52:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAC@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Thread-Topic: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Thread-Index: Acqei6WGS6vkCnfiTKu3sxDsFoDwiAAVvv3O References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAB@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B5EECA7.6060702@usa.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.706;26.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.26.234223 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54070 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b5f81ae627e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alberto,=20 =20 Tnx for reply. Let us know about your loop preamp if it is finished.=20 =20 I already have ordered 10 pcs of the BF862 for my active E Field active an= tenna! This FET is MUCH more sensitive than the BF245C and has 1/10 of the= noise of the J310... =20 73 es gl! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Alberto di Bene Gesendet: Di 26.01.2010 14:22 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors On 1/26/2010 2:24 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Group, > > I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and= OPAs for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: > > http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf > > Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Thanks Stefan, very interesting if one has to build a low noise loop preamplifier (as= I have...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9EE3.45A57C5B Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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b=cxcAMud8UvUnesnYSYNXp0zay1FzmeVhg1oYAj6bjxqEjWPCN3HWUwX52aP3UhIBlyN7iP1LddQMdos705Jli5YmvyeoHZ5VP8N2QVPP2eNjrKhbMpC/ElBfzqQKQdamiGIk4myFikwdJkXFUdVvvwsfPO/AGfvJ2XvplNKayn4=; Message-ID: <277394.27685.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JW7mHNoVM1lRXXLfo6YkKtIdvewl8zNbfF0otZXrV3zdB.pjhC1Jyr8HRqE1ziHrDfd0zwrxv0MrxLSez0i2_VDcKuElmEfwQCkAiDwmnBurS1A.kuv2rnAC3I_i5ZMG8NwlxP.jzadPRWhnhM1JWT1p1W4WdlheP4Qwldy9I3VK5RvwHCbpCxvcJfCaHe4v3cqYKtiMpJlpBT0Aqc44iyC0_Tee8joQOkOTgznc222d2YFb1jMyNwuNlcGUEJlbTSpupiGN_NrHj8fB7fMap6ChqMZJna0dbmntFcf4H_VUDZ5uebiLqpsM25gn Received: from [86.130.57.5] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:17:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001d01ca9393$09a3b640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4c942e3b7d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info Mal =C2=A0 My wire is flexweave, the un-insulated type. Last week I was impressed by= the frost on the wire it made it look really fat. I did not actually meas= ure the amount of frost but eyeballed it at 10mm. But I could not detect= any change to the loading (I use fixed tapped coil with coupling loop),= busness as usual you miight say. I am sure there must be some effect but= I could not see with my gear. =C2=A0 This flexweave has let me down because early last year it broke. The thin= wires that make it up seemed very corroded and brittle so I am expecting= the repaired wire to come down again. I am thinking of replacing it=C2=A0= using 1.5mm or thereabouts diameter hard drawn copper for durability, what= do you think? =C2=A0 I have basically 4 radials of various diameter=C2=A0in H fashion running= the property boundry with the up lead at about=C2=A01/3 offset to=C2=A0ce= ntre of the H, =C2=A0best I can do at the moment. The ant is inv "L" 40m= lng up abt 13m. =C2=A0 If it wasn't for the 11kV at the bottom of the garden I could do a lot bet= ter.... hee. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Tue, 12/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 14:25 =EF=BB=BF=20 Pete I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire normally but sometimes 2.5mm but= since it is insulated the WX seems to have little effect on it.This is th= e 1/4 wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire= and again the WX has little effect. My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm. Bare copper wire might be more vunerable to WX changes. de mal/g3kev =C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 =C2=A0=20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method.= =20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no=C2=A0increase in= current.=20 =C2=A0=20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top= of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20 The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the info Mal
 
My wire is flexweave, the un-insulated type. Last week I was impresse= d by the frost on the wire it made it look really fat. I did not actually= measure the amount of frost but eyeballed it at 10mm. But I could not det= ect any change to the loading (I use fixed tapped coil with coupling loop)= , busness as usual you miight say. I am sure there must be some effect but= I could not see with my gear.
 
This flexweave has let me down because early last year it broke. The= thin wires that make it up seemed very corroded and brittle so I am expec= ting the repaired wire to come down again. I am thinking of replacing it&n= bsp;using 1.5mm or thereabouts diameter hard drawn copper for durability,= what do you think?
 
I have basically 4 radials of various diameter in H fashion runn= ing the property boundry with the up lead at about 1/3 offset to = ;centre of the H,  best I can do at the moment. The ant is inv "L" 40= m lng up abt 13m.
 
If it wasn't for the 11kV at the bottom of the garden I could do a lo= t better.... hee.

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Tue, 12/1/10,= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 14:25

=EF=BB=BF=20
Pete
I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire= normally but sometimes 2.5mm but since it is insulated the WX seems to ha= ve little effect on it.This is the 1/4= wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire and= again the WX has little effect.
My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm.
Bare copper wire might be more vunerable= to WX changes.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:5= 1 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m= antenna


Hi LF Group=20

 =20

In an attempt to calcul= ating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get these results.=20

With a wire diameter of= 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF applied. This= is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A= each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightness.=20

With an estimated incre= ase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did not not= ice any change in antenna current by this method.=20

Running the calculation= through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd size of= 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.=20

 =20

The recent WX at this= location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did I would= suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inverted =E2= =80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20

The type I use is a dee= ply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20


73 es GL petefmt



=20 --0-1567791151-1263309425=:27685-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4b5c64c912b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F44338000073; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4DU-0006fi-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4DU-0006fZ-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4DS-00005P-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FAE51C004 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BED1F3862 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 08F8C18056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:14 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124161714.4uoabirs6os8wggo@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:17:14 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b5c64c7280b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Eddie, first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to sunse= t. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your =20 > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the =20 > period of the screenshot. > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen =20 > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK =20 > Grabbers. > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi Eddie, > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what =20 > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc =20 > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at =20 > 1245utc. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the =20 > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I =20 > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > 73 > > > Eddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave =20 > G3WCB > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Hi, Eddie. > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is =20 > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a =20 > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which =20 > contains elements of both modes! > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and =20 > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. =20 > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on =20 > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of =20 > g3zjo > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > To: =20 > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; =20 > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. =20 > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the =20 > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my =20 > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR =20 > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the =20 > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5= Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b65ff6e143; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:08:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4DFDE380000A2; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhwq-0000pT-HQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nbhwq-0000pK-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbhwo-0002bt-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:07:16 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0VM75qd030051 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:05 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.c1f.791e8967 (34966) for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229245001.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.245.1]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA073-88964b65ff0330e; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1D14DADC9C6548C993B922BCCBFE2631@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:06:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b65ff6d39c0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, Jim, well essentially I did the same thing that Jim did. The audio frequenc= y was not known beforehand as there is a bit of rounding in the SDR tu= ning (in this case 503.308 instead of 503.300 kHz). Then I used manual= fine tuning in +-0.1 Hz steps. The extra {10} may be just SpecLab's= way of displaying a linefeed. 73, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus ha= d great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to= jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100%= but not so. Thank you for your report & comments. I will be closing down about 2200utc. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz wrote: Dear Gary, LF Group, This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: {10}Test transmission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure= the center frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this ma= nually as the RX frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF Group (RSGB)" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 LF, I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Gary, Jim,
 
well essentially I did the same= thing that Jim=20 did. The audio frequency was not known beforehand as there is a= bit of=20 rounding in the SDR tuning (in this case 503.308 instead of= 503.300=20 kHz). Then I used manual fine tuning in +-0.1 Hz steps. The extra = ;{10} may be just SpecL= ab's way of displaying a=20 linefeed.
 
73, Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 201= 0 10:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz= BPSK08
=
Hello Jim,
=
Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marc= us had=20 great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to= jiggle=20 things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not= so.
=
Thank you for your report & comments.
=
I will be closing down about 2200utc.
=
Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.
=

On 31 January 2010 20:48, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>=20 wrote:
Dear=20 Gary, LF Group,

This is what I see at M0BMU at=20 2042utc:



{10}Test transmission from G4WGT

Lo= cator=20 IO83qo

Tx RF 5=C5=98 watts

ERP 2=C5=98=C5=98 mW


Mode and station control by SpecLab<= BR>
Test de=20 G4WGT



To get successful decoding, I had to se= t the AFC=20 to off, measure the center frequency of the signal from the waterf= all and=20 set this manually as the RX frequency.



Cheers, Jim= =20 Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----From:= "Gary -=20 G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "LF Group (RSGB)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PMSubject: LF: 500=20 kHz BPSK08


LF,

I= =20 will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
Th= e=20 frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz=20 USB.



------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CAA2CA.17768FE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC012-86254b41c596a3; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:40:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A6D4B380003C2; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 05:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRkHb-0007FK-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRkHa-0007FB-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:30 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRkHY-00017M-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:35:30 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9540837bwz.4 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:35:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HcoXn1cdk8ln4gaHeolYRYkQcRjMdG2jOD23/4Oljn0=; b=YDPQ0PirBviZapHj1W0VBY+gc4iSar4qBJrppeeoo/i1mJmwdtfe+OvlQZFGDEpdUN lF7NvlOe/qwpgpl018mHvAVWYNgyHY5BLKICK3YYPi70+PbvH92G3jrbzh9BS7sVuBEY 8+EAhnHuEMOhII5v1wCQr1ApFzR3enk+wYEfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hLbDwScwsX9F3d2tfR6RBXTWJHyTbqb6Ci+C6p1cA5prDI1EL9VtMaBLm3UeaM6117 mvvxJB0hO1OVIIsoEqkhv4WigMF068YWOtlk/Zjn/amkPhSffHRtPASFySNlkRuxsCro 3BrSvVK7q7j2mohF9rSlV3V12W/kO8lKnWkyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.146 with SMTP id p18mr11266106bkp.94.1262601321477; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:35:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555937a42778c047c54476b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b41c4ac00ea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555937a42778c047c54476b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton > This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set up > guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling away at > each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base once a year for > possible hits. > I am surprised it is not more popular. > Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW and > QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. > de G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a > time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz > slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), > is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good > idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if > interference to weak signals is likely. > 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and > moan less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >> and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555937a42778c047c54476b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkt= alk.net>
This is fantastic news for the Applia= nce Operator.=20 Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of= them=20 growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data bas= e once=20 a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular= .
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by= Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using= =20 CW.
de G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some= suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at=20 a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a=20 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and= station=20 performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of ro= om=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes= .=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not= UK), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea=20 to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if= =20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D"_blank">g3kevmal@talktal= k.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon= on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM=20 to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations.= I=20 cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narr= ow=20 band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles sw= amped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?=
G3KEV
=A0



--=20
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http://g3xbm-qr= p.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088



--
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555937a42778c047c54476b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-9ff4b5738781b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG031-9ff4b5738781b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXe0j-0006zr-Tp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXe0j-0006zi-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from mail-in-14.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXe0i-0007lO-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:29 +0000 Received: from mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.33]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E8C28AD5F for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92166254609 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-188-103-051-231.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.103.51.231]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2F89B2BAF3E for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:06:18 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-13.arcor-online.net 2F89B2BAF3E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1264007180; bh=MIqtwJHF8opu0P6vOUqjYnEUKpL91Xol4Ck74GyF/hE=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JntWSGlKlE2ypVZTbL4d1qWudJTknb06anfOHik9ik4hzxW3Q287q+oH45smK84M+ TahCWC1fQOnvU0yzEDoNLPhtm0Xzqq60WecWoUZU6vcCst4LKrCf9pOxzBBqodWldB vhBD7q5RHEHMrHv3rJ9J9YFQMp0CeDNuVfvUJ3FI= Message-ID: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:06:12 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OE5ODL qrp test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99F2.DE6E8200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d266.1 ; domain : arcor.de DKIM : fail X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99F2.DE6E8200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ossi, LF what's is the pwr you are running just? GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CA99F2.DE70F300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ossi, LF
 
what's is the pwr you are runnin= g=20 just?
 
GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq
 
 
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It turned out the infinite number of= monkeys came up with 19200,8,N,1...doh. =20 The unit was running fine after I gave it the idea it was in Alaska and no= t Oklahoma...just took a long time to do a survey but all appears well aft= er 4 or 5 years of now being powered up. =20 Im now back in Oklahoma... =20 Laurence KL 1 X/ 5 =20 From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900 Subject: LF: Z3801A =20 I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I could= talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine) =20 For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wonder if= anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published set up bu= t has it working on say 4800....=20 =20 Any good progs that can discover port configs :-) =20 Laurence=20 Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now= . =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/=3D --_6866f19c-04a2-4722-b719-1fc1e0da3312_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all those that replied thanks ! It turned out the infinite number of= monkeys came up with 19200,8,N,1...doh.
 
The unit was running fine after I gave it the idea it was in Alaska and no= t Oklahoma...just took a long time to do a survey but all appears well aft= er 4 or 5 years of now being powered up.
 
Im now back in Oklahoma...
 
Laurence KL 1 X/ 5
 
From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900
Subject: LF: Z3801A

 
I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the= RS422 connections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19= 200,Odd, 7,1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (a= nd I could talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey = routine)
 
For the life of me I cant seem to recall my wor= king settings and wonder if anyone else has a unit which doesnt have= the standard published set up but has it working on  say 4800....&nb= sp;
 
Any good progs that can discover port configs :-)
&nbs= p;
Laurence

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Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service= . Get it now. =3D --_6866f19c-04a2-4722-b719-1fc1e0da3312_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-85ff4b4c86a861; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A65A838035CDB; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUhgb-0001B2-2x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUhga-0001At-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUhgX-0000sG-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtAEAAoVTEtZ8Oh5/2dsb2JhbACCMIEviWsGunSNXINaVgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,262,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="433590287" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.232.121]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 14:25:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca9393$09a3b640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:25:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b4c869e3ceb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wire normally but sometimes 2.5mm= but since it is insulated the WX seems to have little effect on it.Th= is is the 1/4 wave inv L TX antenna.Other antennas here use the same= type of wire and again the WX has little effect. My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm. Bare copper wire might be more vunerable to WX changes. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group =20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on= my antenna I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1= amps for 60 watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing= a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenn= a up lead glowing to full brightness. With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm ca= used by the Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current= by this method. Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 am= ps and again to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no= increase in current. =20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on= the antenna. If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insula= tor at the top of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead. The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inch= es long. 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I use 1.5mm insulated multi strand wi= re normally=20 but sometimes 2.5mm but since it is insulated the WX seems to have lit= tle=20 effect on it.This is the 1/4 wave= inv L TX=20 antenna.Other antennas here use the same type of wire and again the WX= has=20 little effect.
My radials are also insulated 2.5 mm.=
Bare copper wire might be more vunera= ble to WX=20 changes.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 20= 10 1:51=20 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on= 600m=20 antenna


Hi LF Group

 =

In an attem= pt to=20 calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get= these=20 results.=20

With a wire= diameter of=20 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF app= lied. This=20 is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps= (12Vx0.5A=20 each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brigh= tness.

With an est= imated=20 increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw fr= ost I did=20 not notice any change in antenna current by this method.

Running the= calculation=20 through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absur= d size of=20 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.

 =

The recent= WX at this=20 location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it di= d I would=20 suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the in= verted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D=20 up lead.

The type I= use is a=20 deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.


73 es GL=20 petefmt


------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA9393.09491320-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b4b1bc9b3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B0D238000052; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mp-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mg-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJWb-00010k-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Em33RdhycDYC0dwuIIb6wakW392lBW46EUizx24N70SSBo8pNK70//rNI/zMbb7KCaMCvyx7UKbXnOP6prhjeOpcpBxxPIQ8br0a+FeJqjMqTVrwzI6FqaUVjoodvbShL3Rb44FB3d+jPZU82S/qDxJKBe5tO/BPsptTXnINC6Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lO6wubkVM1nsjVqlOv3NGqlGz4dCmRdrJLCzIPIIxEjgNkupmrU3iTpJPQ2bIWdSMX8W0q8fdqoAZ7A6Xaio03tmp5Oykh8eknaijK74_16Kt0cxm.m16mwlddXvOoY0h426FrSDV_BZMCpFpdTSW3TALr4mBCj_d.OHGBpD8UrjeBcj7jXn6Ax4AmIruSZj_kczG2aSbDyEEpsqgJqW_5D0Op710123Qe92QYypkgbDcw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F949536A836435EAA682EE9E4389065@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514b4b1bc7105d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: ...>The beauty of CW and variations of the mode handled by a competent operator is simplicity, just a basic TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX just a regen TRF device and a good pair of Ears. The appliance operator needs computers, appropriate software and keyboard skills to try and achieve a similar result, and often fails....> Have you tried using "just a regen TRF device" on 136k and 500k? I have... receiving amateur CW sigs on 500k with a simple regenerative RX is quite feasible, although not very satisfactory if more than one signal is present. On 136k, it does not really work, due to insufficient rejection of DCF39 and friends, which just swamp the detector. Most people are actually receiving CW with complex modern receivers, many using digital signal processing where the signal has to pass through a computer before the competent operator can listen to it. If people want a simple receiver for these bands, try a "Softrock" or similar. Used with a domestic PC and some of the excellent free software that other appliance-operating amateurs have produced, this can produce very good results. You can build one in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! G3KEV wrote: ...>There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential short messages, which applies to most radio amateur communications...> Well, we are amateurs, engaged in "leisure activity" and it is hard to think of a time when an "essential" message has been passed by LF/MF amateurs - life could go on without us, so this does not seem very relevant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-a8d34b609fb210e; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:18:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AAB5438000267; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEKj-000478-Iq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEKj-00046z-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEKh-00061N-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwEAIMuYEtOlFTC/2dsb2JhbACNKwPMJ4Q5BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,355,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="312377074" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.84.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 20:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca9f8d$c5b50360$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:17:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GW4XXF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b609fad7a14 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New one GW4XXF worked yesterday on 500. A regular beacon PA3CW still= active but not hrd in QSO mode yet. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New one GW4XXF worked yesterday on 50= 0. A regular=20 beacon PA3CW still active but not hrd in QSO mode yet.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA9F8D.C2C117C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b63fd5aa7; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:35:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69C8538000042; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb9iF-0001jR-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb9iE-0001jI-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb9iD-0007zL-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from COL122-W9 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:33:45 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 09:33:45.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[515969D0:01CAA18F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_" Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b63fd596073 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It will be on= to Monday=B4s morning continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technologi= =ED Microsoft https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It= will be on to Monday=B4s morning continuously.
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Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-m= ailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat =3D --_815f33c4-495d-4776-a074-41c50216a7a5_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b5a162f2e2; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:18:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7ADBE3800008A; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQt5-00038x-0k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQt4-00038o-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQt2-0007dR-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:17:50 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735157B804E for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4FF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8616B18056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:17:36 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b5a162d6876 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures =20 WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: Sync =3D 9 dB =3D -2 DT =3D 0.0 DF =3D -107 W =3D 33 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a774b537839a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:51:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b537839a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWc4W-0001SJ-TA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWc4W-0001SA-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWc4U-0000b4-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:08 +0000 Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wjtl1d00327AodY56kq0mK; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:00 +0000 Received: from LFMF ([76.23.233.102]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WkqB1d0092DDHkk3fkqBcy; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca97b6$a270e470$7401a8c0@LFMF> From: To: References: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100117201545.w1vw2lb5kwwwos48@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim Thanks for parking an RX / computer on 510 kHz. DL-SWL, as well as others, had a number of decodes last night so suspect you'll see something. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Dear Jay, LF Group, > > I have an extra RX covering 510kHz "dial frequency" overnight. Nothing > seen so far. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5ea34b4a4cff58; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:56:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADCDA38000073; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5kT-0005t8-1F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5kS-0005sz-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:00 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5kQ-0004xn-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:55:00 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDDD7B802A; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F1F3862; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id A62C818056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110225447.qai3f5xv0gwkkocw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roger Lapthorn References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4a4cfc0083 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, Jim, On Alan's (G3NYK) website =20 (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm) I found: Allow for an extra "hop loss" of 12dB for every ionospheric =20 "reflection" and 6dB for a land "bounce", say about 1dB for a sea =20 "bounce". Thus an extra hop would "cost" 13 to 18dB (+ free space loss ?) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Ri= k? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus =20 > SNR) depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute =20 > distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting James Cowburn =20 > >: > > Dear LF, > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =20 > a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =20 > current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =20 > limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =20 > estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =20 > (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =20 > one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =20 > be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =20 > a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =20 > would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =20 > the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =20 > capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB =20 > difference over known paths/signals? > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =20 > for a great 2010 > With best regards > > > Jim > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > E =20 > james.cowburn@virgin.net> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.29]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5f364b40e95b3a; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:00:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F20D38004549; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVWf-00049D-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVWe-000494-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVWb-0005fy-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:50:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsFADp1QEtOkaBu/2dsb2JhbACIKMh/hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="404370824" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.160.110]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:49:56 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8ca5$8c32ea80$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601d4b40e7160647 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >what other mode has 'banana' as one of the accepted >report's It is only the Black Boxes that send 'bananas' on WSPR. Mind you the same rigs send the same 'bananas' on all non on off modes, they are just too wide to notice, I coined that term for the bent WSPR signals. I don't know, I should copyright my humour:-) Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b4de7d6348; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5AE48380000E5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5DA-000434-6B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5D9-00042v-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail-in-15.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV5D8-00007M-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5856F3567B6 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C9F2D3D50 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-072-154-239.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.72.154.239]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0F1D22C3040 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:33 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-03.arcor-online.net 0F1D22C3040 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1263396754; bh=lHiPrIQdbTKkYiF+dZ5xHHfHiU2whxrary8RrP7zk0o=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QNQrPW28dZeXOMi58L9mD8NdSA+V739UsAVecPQyTdnXE+YEIJdMiGx04VpS7Q2en vqw1W+FjMCmBxlmsH0qJobZlS6Y7qgzmQF8KSwqz4Fj5KOirukAs3IQcdbZ8xwJYRy Uz4uphv2SIr0RttNW0WdYE4FTVTrE7KtCUhrLbHk= Message-ID: From: "dl2hre" To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:32:29 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b4de7d35b55 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Dave, LF-group tnx for the nice capture! HNY-TEN 73 Ed DL2HRE jo51tq ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: LF: OE3GHB & DL3HRE tonight Gerhard, Ed, LF Group, OE3GHB and DL2HRE copied here this evening. See attached screenshot. RX is SPM30, 24hz bandwidth. Antenna is 20m "tee" at 5m height. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr. Windsor, S.E.England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC014-869f4b40b9da27; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:38:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 189AF380000D3; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSVp-0001rs-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSVo-0001rj-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:00 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSVl-0004Gt-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:37:00 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0ACFD1C0009D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F22311C0009A for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4CBF01C0009D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:36:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103153647314.4CBF01C0009D@mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:36:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b40b9da0bbd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' =20 That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to = rf carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a convention= al transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...= No good if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train ,= vfo controlled or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr= generating code set .. Its a good point worth making though ... G..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at= a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation an= d station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plen= ty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversat= ional modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK= ), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a goo= d idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wid= e and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us try= ing to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understan= d why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocati= on.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
 
'''  More people should use WSPR -=20 '''     
 
That's=20 not as  easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a&= nbsp;=20 liner audio to  rf carrier frequency=20  conversion,  ...fine  if you have a  convent= ional=20 transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to  500/137= ...No=20 good  if you  have dividing logic in the amplifier &nbs= p;drive=20 train , vfo  controlled  or PIC based without the =20 'ability'  to  run a wspr  generating  code set ..= =20 Its a  good = ; point worth=20 making though ...
 
G..

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at a=20 time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz=20 slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and stati= on=20 performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty= of room=20 elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational mod= es.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK= ), is of=20 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a goo= d idea to=20 use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if= =20 interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant= and moan=20 less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is caus= ing QRM to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations.= I cannot=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ba= nd=20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swam= ped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8C8A.8EF33740-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-8c344b3e3d331a2; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:21:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 866BC380000E4; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQm6d-0001Fc-Nn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQm6d-0001FT-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQm6b-0005Nu-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KVK00MOSYXDKF@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:05 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: grabber Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b3e3d333396 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Mike.LF I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey 73s HNY to All henny pa3cpm --Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Mike.LF
 
I look on the grabber off RA9CUA,from Sergey
 
73s  HNY to All
henny pa3cpm
--Boundary_(ID_veZuoRylwnCSGQC/n2o+eQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.206]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-a97e4b60b64d11a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5CF438000179; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFqN-0006Gc-Qs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFqN-0006GS-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFqL-0007Li-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:35 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100127215428.HXIP4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFqE-0004A4-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:28 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop>,<1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:54:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00a601ca9f9b$48ca1170$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcqfmlAGT2VFQAU0QayGedsdGkxuJAAADkjcAAAmjsA= X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=6SH2SkFNGHPnhfiK-WEA:9 a=18q2EjrIxj7wt96amE0A:7 a=ps9BoxekYOrJt7LOJx-5aa49FzoA:4 a=KGHlO6L4b5AA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=np72KIsMEoYU39Kl:21 a=mrY5TNdU7t7LIWBD:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=71TbwGoSuJ1HHcervdgA:7 a=2l7hEIOmFA4EMaorsK0C-1PvuEAA:4 a=mftO4deV2_QA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4b60b64a4115 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thnx Rik, there's not much between me and you though, just the east England fens and then the north sea!! From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 27 January 2010 21:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, you are good copy here (-18dB). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T _____ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA9F9B.48CA1170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-8bed4b4a961f43; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1E4E380000A4; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAcM-0007rS-Ra for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAcM-0007rJ-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUAcL-0006MC-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:06:58 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W9 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.4] From: Laurence KL1X To: , Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:06:49 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2010 03:06:49.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E0D8940:01CA926B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_" Subject: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b4a961d4e15 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010-01-11 02:54=20 PA0A=20 0.503899=20 -25=20 0=20 JO33de=20 5=20 KL1X=20 BP51ip=20 7066=20 347=20 =20 =20 PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m =20 Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. =20 73 =20 Laurence KL 1 X (remote ops) =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/=3D --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010-01-11 02:54   PA0A   0.503899   -25   0   JO33de   5   KL1X   BP51ip   7066   347 
 
 
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
 
Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X
(remote ops)

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Get it now. =3D --_186d7318-1575-4bda-abe2-dee4194c75c8_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b5cb8cb122; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:16:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E69638000110; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9oC-0001kc-Mf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9oC-0001kT-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9oA-0002jf-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 42F65700008D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 362E4700009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AE194700008D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:15:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124211539713.AE194700008D@mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b5cb8c90089 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the same= picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acc= epted the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you will get a decode soon ?=20 tnx G=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mode  change to PSK220F   200= hz=20 BW
 
TNX  for the  reports ..63 was just  too  slow !
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Ok Lubos .... well at this  speed = , will still=20 be  sending the  same  picture when im going  to&n= bsp; work=20 hihi .. I didn't  realise how  small the  size needs&nb= sp; to be=20 .. I just  reduced it until the  software  accepted the=  =20 file  .. signal is  starting to  show in Holland .. so= may be=20 you  will get a  decode  soon ?
 
tnx G

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may= be=20 later.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c= o.uk
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503= Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_017C_01CA9D3A.60CC82C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.30]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b6202eb22b; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2A13F380000AA; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nabyn-00047h-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nabyn-00047Y-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nabyl-0002cN-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so1845079pxi.30 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r/ri/zuulygQaEF5PjDgtTqSWD4etWsiRt+KpBWdlfA=; b=vf+GTI8EH+exA2foc2RJBYTDXyij3vFksstSAfrijBaQWinFJOxl1ixOiG2IEU1GJQ gx1HeZj66ND+UyaG34XT95zu9wdOLqnPisi4ef4mpqZucnjBODokn+WQrcnW+9lUq7w8 EKxh86x5A9IKg8lNsKuCmyoi4Dxt+WmjQUK44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vGt4aMszDCj90jfiuzlxBmQNtwSzTg1AVPgMS4B4If2aEHsxHQbxbMj8GP8nfv8Hvp lMRXBFerD2ia0ZH4DaSvDrgAB0qvjCkqGDygNwETzSoydT++0N/3Y12kF3yWZ67IAENV xWvOcHqCrJlDmqYcssjsf82rTgtOt3Ie6KKMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.247.21 with SMTP id u21mr4695554rvh.250.1264714355551; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001281214y4853365enc094fe1dc6bf5acc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:35 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e8f5dd0a01d55fd7 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001281332g382dee67ub3836c9b99e7dd24@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: 503.600 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601e4b6202e743c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, JT4A now QRT - 2131utc. 73, Gary. On 28 January 2010 20:14, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi LF, > > Running JT4A QRP tonight, any reports very welcome. > > 503.600 kHz - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

JT4A now QRT - 2131utc.

73, Gary.

Thnx Rik, there= ’s not much between me and you though, just the east England fens and= then the north sea!!

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of R= ik Strobbe
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Jim,

 

you are good copy here (-18dB).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Gary= - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 22:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE:= 500 kHz JT4A

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the= decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you= up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

Hi Gary

 

Just got two decodes of= you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 

I have replied with my= call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regards=

 

Jim

 Dr.= James Cowburn

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

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From: owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4W= GT
Sent: 27 January 2010= 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 0 kHz JT4A

 

Rik, & Andy,

 

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query.=

 

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon &a= mp; continue to see if there is a report from further afield.

 

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 min= utes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good= report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@goo= glemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed


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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>

 

Gary,

 

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van:Verzonden: woensdag 27= januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz= JT4A

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

 

 

 



On 28 January 2010= 20:14, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi LF,

Running JT4A QR= P tonight, any reports very welcome.

503.600 kHz= - Dial 502.300 kHz USB - 20mW ERP.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

--000e0cd11bd4e7b046047e404163-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-86a04b40c45c36; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:22:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9227438004E7C; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSsX-00027A-HN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSsX-000271-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSsV-0004Pq-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:00:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 57606 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 16:00:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Ir2gLqZ2za8Q/D3tifZbnCCR0y/3mvNDmfJG6kUtJa2uVMroBMpdF5SiyP7dj0ZAYTbCA71PDG6YRwxw40odg/JImB4QAbuGYwISHd9uhDwOmEWm1F5KT450JTSC/ta8z/9aDRX/ntxa3T5H/YaK33a6PklxlpPb8l0zkkxrXPY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@81.132.69.88 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 16:00:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: EsR42toVM1k3XFD8nUdU5khhtjASCyFccrnIZMw5vRboD90p9DifGliNDQfbavA1ltB.pfynTv6rBsXhv13ORWrBkSxLec5qusy8hKAeUXYEtmwRE.qtaLqD4QVI07t4EKCWSZP7aVJTqctlI60UVI.60bdalNp6avdblEKnyMAiebSyX1vMZLYYIZILya9BuGTJ4U8l1xR4zWzBFQPXbH2pSBG7OloGB65_b1sAR.Ng3jKASA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7C5F25D01D5C4A4F97AAD4A6F8CDBC2E@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> In-Reply-To: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:00:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: pa0a Beacon - Correction Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b40bf4f1a54 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1530 - 1540 ut= c 030110 today at=20 rst 559. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: LF: pa0a Beacon Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1630 - 1640= utc 030110 today at=20 rst 559. 73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator jo92uc. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1530 - 1540 utc 030110 today at
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Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1630 - 1640 utc 030110 today at
rst 559.
 
73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator=20 jo92uc.
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA8C8D.D8C2E890-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b5c248c32f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 158F03800004C; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwQ-0004XZ-1m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwP-0004XQ-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzwO-0006n0-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA5A7B8048 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D11431E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8864218056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124114323.whynpfjghwgkcgcg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:23 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_NOVOWEL=0.131 Subject: Re: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b5c248a64e7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Eddie, no daytime copy here ;-( If you keep the beacon running after darkness I will give it another try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi All > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. =20 > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the =20 > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my =20 > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR =20 > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the =20 > same time. > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5= Morse > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: =20 > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9c14b5b4b8f390; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME065-9c14b5b4b8f390; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlU1-0007K5-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlU1-0007Jw-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYlTy-0005CL-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:21 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1822103bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:17:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rzItreI8D0b2KlZGxtSlMhrqcNwoQbfRTq4xZyxoTwk=; b=PS6QPlKBVR7na4l7AQa+eyDOqmPwO5e7rA6w2o06HzZg2Vaem93yzLKiuOy8AUQpG/ 0Es/oxhw61ZezmZuQz3io3gGLVaS3Mmb89RTSK6OhzQw0omwkstVcXZK2X2TvRPL7P/w /XZ2fLji5LbcXt8+BDzlY6cyX2cAS/3gM6oKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uksbVtc4FHw1EM04M+G8+d2hU2b/WGeCQIr5X/IzY7ST/agjcdzumfJveD1ghz++2i JskY7KvVp/lKDpc38QO1mIA2qhzQnvIo0uszl8wQASML09clYamMK8JgJjzTDx/GF4gv lDtJOWqnDboZGcZX/lh0ZHNlYRTRkr7sJOcKc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.138 with SMTP id 10mr2534720bkv.110.1264274230228; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:17:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d232.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: > I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier > been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right > circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. > There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are > audible with me. > > > > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not getting > any decodes yet. > > Roger G3XBM > > On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for >> 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial >> (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a >> low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >> >> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put >> the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more >> to offer anyway. >> >> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth >> change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The >> coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference >> should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message >> contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync >> and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>> >>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>> >>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>> get it going is in there. >>>> >>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>> >>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >>>> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>> >>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>> >>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >>>> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >>>> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>> >>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>>>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>> >>>>> 73s >>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175906b6643976047dd9c824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal informed.




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--0015175906b6643976047dd9c824-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.90]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b4b25eae7; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:21:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4636538000943; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUKC8-0001c2-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUKC8-0001bt-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUKC6-00063s-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:20:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApALAMe0SktOkeWD/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAZN4ugiELwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="441388651" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.229.131]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2010 13:19:56 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6F949536A836435EAA682EE9E4389065@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b4b25e86ead X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim M0BMU wrote:- >You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true >QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! Tobacco tin for the TX, yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jim M0BMU wrote:-

 

>You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco ti= n for a few pounds, in true

>QRP style, although the same probably isn'= t true for the transmitter!

 

Tobacco tin for the TX,= yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) <= /font>

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA92C0.C5991300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5ba4b576f231b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG041-5ba4b576f231b4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhfI-0008PD-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhfI-0008P4-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhfG-0000sW-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:36 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so615648bwz.4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ko2dhWcDSRN1P5VRnZtvi4qpQ8VTeR8oU6UpXf2XNSc=; b=rzuNzlqjAm9dZ5ka1rHWsg1AuGJxhlMadK15fIxElKeNkhebhbuLBegjidzaybRa1H x9XwK77k5RobFDgcSucUlRvs42f0eiLrOQUnLgZY++sACcJVruktJEqxL5jj8UYXwx29 AZp0/thrBj/2p0FpbTKAJWgJwir3CQc66VB3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RsD7bkDfR506rSWT1/Srh5Nrw63P/MCWCHJm2IEHirkao8T3L3lhIII33eiJsmt2tR mC9l9MOPeAe+8GoNx1cyoKAAxaa0nNLylhm6jnxZnqDyezcPqVFNftVcn/puQr6ArHry 5H4xT7/Nkyk9+dPhFo7y0lIPpKm+9IuuHH/SY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.14.84 with SMTP id f20mr243304bka.209.1264021226678; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:00:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201300g62fe9a5y734277d152a79d94@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,USERPASS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Piotr. I do understand the noise issue. I plan to run 500kHz WSPR until around the end of January so there are several days still yet. After that I will need my small mast for some HF antennas to allow me to test some homebrew 10m gear. Yes, Andy is a "big gun" signal. I think you could describe mine as a "wat= er pistol" , HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski > Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England= *please > leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch fo= r > G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > Hi Roger, > I do listen to wspr, however, it is not done on a daily basis. I live= in > a downtown area of Lodz so the EM noise is terrible, > street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours etc.. > My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr > signal ( abt 1400km) but his 200 mW erp pwr makes him > a "big gun" when compared to 1mW :) > I saw Lubos, OK2BVG reply to your mail so i guess it is a matter of= days > ( may be even hours ..) that the >1000km barrier > is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days off and i > will go outside town. Likewise Lubos > i will take my computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be a chance= to > see you on my screen. > As i will have internet access there i will issue a notice whether i= am > qrv for this 1 mW challenge :) > > > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Piotr. I do understand the noise issue.

I plan to run 50= 0kHz WSPR until around the end of January so there are several days still= yet. After that I will need my small mast for some HF antennas to allow= me to test some homebrew 10m gear.

Yes, Andy is a "big gun" signal. I think you could describe= mine as a "water pistol" , HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2010/1/20 Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>
=20 =20
Roger Lapthorn wrote:

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM
Hi Roger,
I=C2=A0 do listen to wspr,=C2=A0 however,=C2=A0 it is not done on a daily= basis. I live in a downtown area of=C2=A0 Lodz=C2=A0 so the EM noise is terrible, =C2=A0street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours et= c..
My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km)=C2=A0 but his 200 mW erp pwr=C2=A0 makes him
a "big gun" when compared to=C2=A0 1mW :)
I=C2=A0 saw Lubos, OK2BVG=C2=A0 reply to your mail=C2=A0 so i guess it is= a matter of days ( may be even hours ..)=C2=A0 that the=C2=A0 >1000km=C2=A0 barrier=
is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days=C2=A0 off=C2=A0= =C2=A0 and i=C2=A0 will go outside town. Likewise Lubos
=C2=A0i will take my=C2=A0 computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be= a chance to see you=C2=A0 on my screen.
As i=C2=A0 will have internet access there=C2=A0 i will issue a notice whe= ther=C2=A0 i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz/jo91rs/



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--00032555b3e6346b40047d9ee071-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b4c58402e8; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:08:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5F9B38000275; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeb3-0008Rm-Kx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeb3-0008Rd-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeb1-0005Bk-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEAGbmS0tOlCMj/2dsb2JhbACNSQbIW4QwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,261,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="421434920" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.35.35]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 11:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01ca9377$6c872d30$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:07:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: class E amp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b4c583e2036 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy and Co To take advantage of ur 50V 25A psu for a class E amp the component va= lues for 1.25Kw would be C1 =3D 0.067164uF, C2 =3D 0.086306uF in serie= s with L1 =3D 1.57936uH. RL =3D 0.99234ohms, then a suitable step up transformer for say 50 ohm= s to match a suitable antenna via a LPF (several poles at this power= to supress the harmonic content).=20 A couple of suitable FETS in parallel wouldn do the trick. I built a= class E using 60V ht some years ago for LF and it is still going wel= l. Push pull as you know helps reduce the 2nd harmonic but maybe not as= much as you think, therefore a single ended approach is more robust= with a good LPF. I am sure you have all this information anyway for class E design.The= most critical part is setting the amp up using a 'scope to avoid V sp= ikes,=20 I have no protective ccts in place but my antenna is very stable and= unaffected by the WX. =20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy and Co
To take advantage of ur 50V 25A psu= for a class E=20 amp the component values for 1.25Kw would be C1 =3D 0.067164uF, C2 =3D= 0.086306uF in=20 series with L1 =3D 1.57936uH.
RL =3D 0.99234ohms, then a suitable= step up=20 transformer for say 50 ohms to match a suitable antenna via a LPF (sev= eral poles=20 at this power to supress the harmonic content).
A couple of suitable FETS in parallel=  wouldn=20 do the trick. I built a class E using 60V ht  some= years=20 ago for LF and it is still going well.
Push pull as you know helps redu= ce the 2nd=20 harmonic but maybe not as much as you think, therefore a single= ended=20 approach is more robust with a good LPF.
I am sure you have all this info= rmation anyway=20 for class E design.The most critical part is setting the amp up using= a=20 'scope to avoid V spikes,
I have no protective ccts in place bu= t my=20 antenna is very stable and unaffected by the WX.   
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CA9377.6C4457D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.92]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b6493b39; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD7B7380000C0; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJit-00043k-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJit-00043b-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJio-00035U-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UKF9b6011871 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:15:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: some help needed Thread-Index: Acqh5uIdgw8aHG9dTDuI4rFkRCMZEwAAO/la References: <2050490190@web.de><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <9afca2641001301156q7b6c283ctbf78ba3e36adca9a@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.714;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.200317 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028" Subject: LF: some help needed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405c4b6493b1562f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear group,=20 =20 Now i am asked if i can give any informations about the fibre optic cable= that i use. I have written a mail to the reflector in december 2009 with= all the informations about that. But i have lost this mail and cannot for= ward it any more. The subject was something with "fiber optic cable" i thi= nk. I wrote about a distributor and the type of the cable and what it cost= s and so on.=20 =20 If someone is finding this mail in the archive, could you forward it to th= e reflector, please. =20 Sri, i have changed my job, my pc, my home and there were some mails lost.= Not even qrv at the moment due to frost :-( =20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 20:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 I received the picture fine Stefan. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/30 Stefan Sch=E4fer Dear LF,=20 =20 Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a stra= nge design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) =20 Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give= my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. =20 I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to so= lve this problem, sri agn. =20 I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new= and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine= ! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk =20 http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E8.EBB8A028 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgoUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAFQAAAExGOiBzb21lIGhlbHAgbmVl ZGVkAO4GAQWAAwAOAAAA2gcBAB4AFQAPAAkABgAzAQEggAMADgAAANoHAQAeABUADwAJAAYAMwEB CYABACEAAAA1MENEMzVFMTA2QUMzODQzOEUyM0UwOUQ5MDgxNzQwRQAMBwEDkAYA+BQAADgAAAAD ADYAAAAAAEAAOQAooLjr6KHKAR4APQABAAAABQAAAExGOiAAAAAAAgFHAAEAAAAyAAAAYz1ERTth PSA7cD1IU1Q7bD1GSUxFLVNFUlZFUi1IUy0xMDAxMzAyMDE1MDlaLTE0NQAAAB4ASQABAAAARAAA AFJlOiBMRjogMm5kIHRyeSBvZiBzZW5kaW5nIHRoZSBwaWMgb2YgbXkgbG9vcCBwcmVhbXAgd2l0 aCB0aGUgQkY4NjIAQABOAIA/QkXmocoBHgBaAAEAAAAjAAAAb3duZXItcnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBi 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in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thank for the report Jay , I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > > Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... > 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 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Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr351596bka.72.1264027702070; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:48:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:48:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001201448i5a5e3e3ctbfbfd470ca3b7ee1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411d4b57887503e9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is AMAZING stuff! Really well done Lubos and Eddie. Eddie, we'd better leave our rigs on overnight so the USA stations can log us next :-) ...or unplug the antennas? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Eddie, LF! > > 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 > > 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > ------------------------------ > From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 > Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM > > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my > QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie** G3ZJO* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot > *Sent:* 20 January 2010 22:01 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: G3XBM > > > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ------------------------------ > > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19= /10 > 17:49:00 > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten > prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843a2b0d96047da06298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is AMAZING stuff!=A0 Really well done Lubos= and Eddie.

Eddie, we'd better leave our rigs on overnight so= the USA stations can log us next :-)=A0 ...or unplug the antennas?
73s
Roger G3XBM


On 23 January 2010 18:52,= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signals as a= waste of time=20 since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to= wait=20 for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visible= but only an=20 odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if you need an=20 immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Ok, fully underst= and Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is des= igned=20 for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit= =20 antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough= =20 said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so= will=20 put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon,= =20 WSPR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a= =20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB=20 reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= =20 this bandwidth difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between=20 the two modes.=A0 The differing message contents wont affect the=20 efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation=A0tha= t=20 matters - and they use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of you= r valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arra= nged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility= of=20 really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I&= #39;d like=20 to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test= with=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never= =20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although= after our=20 extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x=20 was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for= EME on=20 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MHz,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those=20 included in the WSJT suite to 'try out'=A0=A0 If you downl= oad and=20 read the WSJT=A0users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than= =20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in= a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to re= d=20 light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I've only ever come across A,= D and=20 G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0=20 There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are,= as far as I=20 can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.=A0=20 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight= =20 PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a similar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear= TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted somethin= g for=20 use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the=20 widest spaced varient of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0=20 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,= =A0=20 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to =A0enhance the decoder=20 routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same= S/N as=20 JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode was, even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out= to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scr= bg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate fr= om a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available= to=20 keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/50= 3.85=20 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the=20 PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both=20 the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for th= e=20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned fo= r=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guarante= ed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having= =20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to= =20 JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6= M=20 which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried=20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "<= b>JT4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might under= stand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088
2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Eddie, LF!

2214=A0=A0 4=A0 1.9=A0=A0 0.503898=A0 0 PA0A JO33= 37

2216 -29=A0 2.0=A0= =A0 0.503819=A0 0 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230=A0=A0 8=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.= 503898=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.

=A0

Lubos you have the Water Pistol,= can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

=A0

73

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

= =A0

= Congratulations,=A0 "water pistol"

= 1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

= =A0

= 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail= .com>

H= ello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910=A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

= Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

= =A0

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--00032555843a2b0d96047da06298-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-5ea34b560c184e; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:46:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62B03380000BD; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXK16-0002TR-6Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXK15-0002TI-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXK13-00086f-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D08C6700182A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C017A700182B for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from MartinPC (unknown [91.108.191.125]) by mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 745D7700182A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100119194523476.745D7700182A@mwinf3612.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> From: "Martin Evans" To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:42:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b560c174fda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. Can't decode it, of course. Martin GW3UCJ. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b4ed7668a; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:35:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2944A38000069; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVL9o-0006tr-Hz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVL9o-0006ti-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from mail1.ssmb.com ([199.67.179.103] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVL9n-0008MC-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:20 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ny03.ssmb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id o0E8YBBt018036 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:12 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o0E8V00j020019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:11 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:37 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:36 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:33:35 +0000 Thread-Topic: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Thread-Index: AcqU8jCRNuHFzcVDRqqXg+ijanFPnQAAaCBQ Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372D142863@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437234639C7@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <89399F430D884B308F886D7676DFC26C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <89399F430D884B308F886D7676DFC26C@JimPC> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372D142863@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 199.67.177.41 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b4ed7640275 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim, Many thanks for your test signal. Copied you the whole time with a peak of= -12db around 2pm. vy73 Marco DD7PC -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com] Sent: 14 January 2010 09:19 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT] Subject: Re: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Dear LF Group, The 136kHz WSPR beacon shut down at 0810 - thanks for all the overnight sp= ots. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-86544b62c7cb326; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA37F3800009F; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nap6M-0006Yd-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nap6L-0006YU-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:25 +0000 Received: from web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.129]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nap6J-0007ya-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264764797; bh=ss5KPK/9Og80BYQly4RezHfKcVv8XccSnM3OBlLPK2s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XhedVfceS5eXqdPezDmrrQIRdhyNoUDG5WERQhGVcGMSiJ0497j93v1Mz6SyII58pXNQq0b1bpRVYqJRSEVv7WfsiKOQxFpwOCDyN4bbiC0Tm7ADccv0zJOdUrFBu9esnPfaoy5wibTG9Aow6Be+o7Mq4nuJRWQkzHqiwPdZXsw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ms+JacTfHinMUad6T8N6E2afe1sor0HF5L+rhfRYmU0IBUP+SQPSuNE9M/2I0zc0E3LDa49NTWe+gpXRon14HdU9boCdVy8yf5C+Z9MEzf1BcOTxEHlBGXTioG93jA5sfTgDNtrzMGsBAyftceYryWB56ZWF/ioDb3pyjPjQkto=; Message-ID: <337596.18969.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5Ld2cVAVM1lf6D92SAfrTQfnRFUyGF0hJVRdMY_7Tjbat.4D4ZIe3.r9wWBsm7eXluEELVTNk.1Hz7AevkZSI_7SQJPs3rdVBuwLxl1y98tSad8hZsKVl7LCkBY.f8BxzZg7D2RZ9tIUdAAjA3xd5pyIsbyxeF.KGrhTHwO91HbVd6n23uzeIW9qTO_XrcgXILnpF0fPCmso.h32LjSCj.abt77aS4EIe6j4UMwtsptKwM8WNuxaEQfLxyRXpE5RmutIU_T8bCQliEzLYdU90aZBiqnxU1_mdBKWGafM4l1SQTb1ph1HrC1ZwywjZzjgg1c- Received: from [213.122.56.60] by web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:33:17 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100129111449.17892F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b62c7c92573 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Rik, No I dont know what formulae Reg used but I am guessing he used th= e proceedures in the ITU Recommendations. I have a paper with a load of gr= aphs and I think formula it you would like it. I picked it up off the web= but I am not sure where. I checked his results on DCF39 and HGA22 and get= senible agreememt for ground condition "7". Lakihegy is more difficult to= judge here in daytime (the skywave is stronger than the groundwave) but= I took the minimum of the morning and evening dips to the pure groundwave= . Best wishes ALan G3NYK --- On Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 11:14 > Hello Alan, >=20 > I agree that the typical 500kHz QSB is indeed ionospheric > multipath causing interference. I surface wave was involved > I would only notice it with stations I can also hear during > daytime. > About Reg's program: any idea what formula's are behind it > ? >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD >=20 > PS: including some carriage returns in your mails would be > nice ;-) >=20 >=20 > At 11:57 29/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention > the late Reg's program. Your estimate is probably right and > the thing is complicated further by even in daytime the > skywave being stronger than the ground wave beyond 1000km > (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's data on DCF39 to Oporto > route) On the longer paths you cannot rely on the skywave > only consisting of one hop(whereas I believe this may be > true at short distances) there is some evidence that at > night on 500kHz there are two different paths even at quite > short distances (cf the reported very deep fading on > stations that cannot be heard in daytime....i.e the fading > is probably between two skywave path rather than ground and > skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes may be > reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than > two hop.....not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great > Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On > Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: > "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 9:22 > >=20 > > Hello Stefan, > > > ground waves (surfaces > waves) are a tricky thing. > > The assumption you made > (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) > takes only the > > 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if > > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and if the > earth would be flat. > > In reality you have 2 > additional losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > > earth curve) and ground loss. > > The bad message is > that these losses both have a more or > less 1D > > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear > > to the > distance. > > The late G4FGQ wrote a > very good DOS application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > > you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna > > efficiency, > frequency, ground type, TX power) and it > gives you the path > attenuation, > field strength at > RX end and RX antenna voltage. > > It must be on the > web on several places (google it), but in > case you > > cannot find it I can send it to you. > > Just as an > example the path loss this programme gives > for > 137kHz > and an average ground: > > 250km =3D 55.1dB > > > 500km =3D 65.3dB > > 750km =3D 74.7dB > > > 1000km =3D 83.5dB > > 2000km =3D 115.4dB > > 3000km > =3D 144.5dB > > 4000km =3D 172.2dB > > 5000km =3D > 199.0dB > > As you can see doubling the distance > "costs" far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky > wave is a different story). > > I haven't kept any > records by I think that the surface > wave limit for > > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a > > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better > of with sky waves. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: > > Hi > Alan and LF, > > > > > I know there are > some of you who can easily > answer my > question that > follows :-) > > > > The maximum distance > of the groundwave at a > specific > fieldstrength E is > (about) linear increasing with the > antenna current of > > the TX antenna, right? > > So, if i have an > antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > > 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > > surrounding noise > level, same average ground > properties, same OP ;-) > )?. > > > > I > expect, that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > > beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with > 1/r, > just as > before. > > > > So, > if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > > the above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km > possible? > Sure, thats a very > theoretical question > since there will not be the same > ground conductivity > > on the whole distance but anyway. > > > > > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not > affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. > There must be > interferences with the > sky wave, so > QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave > at an > other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is present!? > > > > > If there is so much sea water between a > transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to > do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but > on > LF? > > > > Tnx for enlightning > answers... > > > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA > > Gesendet: Fr > 29.01.2010 01:51 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is > > getting > silly > > > > Ah this 500k > stuff is too easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-b5344b60349e2ea; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:42:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9ED33800004E; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na7Bs-0002kq-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na7Br-0002kh-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:11 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na7Bo-0001eC-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:11 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.135.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.135.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.135]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C438C5E23; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Bruce McCreath Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:10 -0500 Message-Id: <744105F3-A986-465B-8F39-79244A02B1A1@hurontel.on.ca> Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org To: "& UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Propagation X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b60349c1757 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Lowfers, The north-south propagation was good again last night, and I snagged the= Navtex station K from Puerto Montt Chile again...the third time in less than two weekjs! Andy, I'm glad to hear that you've solved your noise difficulties. It's= quite satisfying to resolve those problems that can drive us mad. Another source of line filters is uWave ovens that= are dead. They are generally on a small board that can be remove intact with the line cord. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.95]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5eeb4b4afbf911; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EAD5A380000A7; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHKd-0000Xi-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:17:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUHKa-0000XZ-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:17:05 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUHKQ-0004ih-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEADmJSktZ8oc7/2dsb2JhbACNVQbHPYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,255,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="282320024" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.242.135.59]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 10:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:16:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.9 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,CELL_PHONE_BOOST, HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405f4b4afbee5f2f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy At least my discussion and observations about radio operators versus= appliance operators has provoked some further analysis and comments= by yourself and others. The beauty of CW and variations of the mode handled by a competent ope= rator is simplicity, just a basic TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX ju= st a regen TRF device and a good pair of Ears. The appliance operator= needs computers, appropriate software and keyboard skills to try and= achieve a similar result, and often fails. There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential= short messages, which applies to most radio amateur communications,= however if one requires large volume exchanges of messages or data th= en some mechanical or electronic support is useful as in commercial ra= dio. The machine operator/appliance operator is useful in this case,= why pay a skilled radio operaror.=20 The discerning LF/MF interesred person should start by learning the mo= rse code, build a simple TX/RX, get as much wire into the air as possi= ble(antenna) fire up and surprise yourself with the results pounding= the KEY. G3KEV =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by= Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth) WSPR/WSJT are= within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improv= ement to play with. Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and= longer and longer, but there comes a point where the ionospheric path= just won't support the signalling any more And that's it. All that's left is more EIRP, directional Rx antenna= s, noise cancellation and... For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of : "Communication in the Presence of Noise", CE Shannon, Proc. IRE= (now IEEE) January 1949 =20 which is the seminal paper that sets the -1.64dB S/N limit=20 =20 --- and --- "Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" , JP Costas, Proc IRE, Dec= ember 1959 which spells it all out in a delightfully readable way Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly= similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 -= 6dB better than the best humans ops. As shown, coding could further= improve things by another couple of dB. So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF. ? That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm concerned. Not faffing abou= t struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking for lines of differe= nt coloured dots=20 Andy www.g4jnt.com What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available= with even much better error correction and so on? What, if this softw= are is so good that a QSO to VK will be possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy
At least my discussion and observatio= ns about radio=20 operators versus appliance operators has provoked some further analysi= s and=20 comments by yourself and others.
The beauty of CW and variations of th= e=20 mode handled by a competent operator is simplicity, jus= t a basic=20 TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX just a regen TRF device an= d a good=20 pair of Ears. The appliance operator needs computers, appropriate soft= ware and=20 keyboard skills to try and achieve a similar result, and often=20 fails.
There is no substitute for a skilled= radio operator=20 to pass essential short messages, which applies to=20 most radio amateur communications, however if one= requires=20 large volume exchanges of messages or data then some mechanical= or=20 electronic support is useful as in commercial radio. The machine=20 operator/appliance operator is useful in this case, why pay a skilled= radio=20 operaror.
The discerning LF/MF interesred perso= n should start=20 by learning the morse code, build a simple TX/RX, get as much wire int= o the air=20 as possible(antenna) fire up and surprise yourself with the resul= ts=20 pounding the KEY.
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 10:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS,= CW...

There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined= by=20 Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth)   WS= PR/WSJT=20 are within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get= this=20 improvement to play with.   Of course, we can go narrower= and=20 narrower and longer and longer, but there comes a point where= the=20 ionospheric path just won't support the signalling any more
 
And that's it.  All that's left is more EIRP, directi= onal Rx=20 antennas, noise cancellation and...
 
For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of= :
 
"Communication in the Presence of Noise",  CE Shannon,&nbs= p; Proc.=20  IRE  (now IEEE)   January 1949 
which is the seminal paper that sets the  -1.64dB S/N= limit=20
  
--- and ---
 
"Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" ,  JP Costas, Pro= c IRE,=20 December 1959   which spells it all out in a delightfully= readable=20 way
 
Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a ro= ughly=20 similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4= - 6dB=20 better than the best humans ops.   As shown,=20 coding could further improve things by another couple of= dB.
 
So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF.&nb= sp;=20 ?
That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm concer= ned. =20 Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking fo= r lines of=20 different coloured dots
What=20 will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with= even much=20 better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a=20 QSO to VK will be=20 possible?

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA92A7.3001AB90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b4ce7af293; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2ABA638000114; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUo8t-0001kG-Kt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUo8t-0001k7-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUo8r-0001FS-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:11 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80F09700009B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 749A970000A6 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.7.57]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id ED684700009B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:18:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100112211858972.ED684700009B@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:18:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b4ce7ae2158 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete, The ice will be pure water and may not conduct .. will have some= capacity implications though ! G ..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 =20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my= antenna I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 am= ps for 60 watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a= pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna= up lead glowing to full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caus= ed by the Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by= this method.=20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps= and again to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no in= crease in current.=20 =20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on= the antenna. If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insula= tor at the top of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.=20 The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches= long.=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete,
 
The ice will be  pure  wate= r  and=20 may not  conduct .. will have  some  capacity implicati= ons though=20 !
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna


Hi LF Group= =20

 =20

In an attempt= to=20 calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get th= ese=20 results.=20

With a wire= diameter of=20 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF appli= ed. This=20 is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (1= 2Vx0.5A=20 each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightn= ess.=20

With an estim= ated increase=20 in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did= not notice=20 any change in antenna current by this method.=20

Running the= calculation=20 through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd= size of=20 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.=20

 =20

The recent WX= at this=20 location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did= I would=20 suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inve= rted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D=20 up lead.=20

The type I us= e is a deeply=20 ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.=20


73 es GL=20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA93CC.D4995330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74b40fc163bd; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:20:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A22683800008A; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWvG-0005bA-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWvG-0005b1-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWvE-0006Fe-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 95211 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 20:19:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=X0URbv8pfugQw37lf0Z+Ma1z/0iiCU+q4HxdepkOe1zAF12cNTnAnQX7Pr4YN/vCEZF2+kmbMOxr7JZCy/k9GTm2seeqD6w0Ba4F1dWxXpjFhSG9p8F5zsgVxVWWmROFajOYuGTOrjpYOsFoJ1Lk2ma+Vt4ZalRv/SWANjB00R8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.157.27.149 with login) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 20:19:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: LvBGLJwVM1l4f2BrCJLHNUAxMGmGxy1270vi45qJa6QuHANfuxGYc3lFzaPLoahAduLsFDDpYScbbEZPI2o8GN8J5otQhsqUlVaiuHS96iOhbxUemoUAJNsxL24VqjjMgrGEBcsrhvQZAE1_huryG_Yzjrb4JHNzOS3Da08WSr2af8Gw9KbRSxDWYfSI8Xibv3Xyz1hwL0m1p96ANFflRK1iHsiKtv_5J9nD3mnN33RA4DG4nBmsanSm36D5ERjCDHGhwb0UslpEwEJDRnRIf2GDXXC.Gt.wK9Hc4zreYrGcpOIOltSj8CE5RBcY2kYRrDH4j6sh60E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <55419FA8164A45CCA0094231C642F8EC@IBM7FFA209F07C> Importance: Normal X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b40fc151314 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be Nicolas, F4DTL.... 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 03 January 2010 20:06 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: DTL Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not identified yet. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could=20 be Nicolas, F4DTL....
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Chris
Sent: 03 January 2010 20:06
To: RSGB= LF=20 Group
Subject: LF: DTL

Station sending 'DTL' over and over= again in=20 QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker stati= on approx.=20 1Hz lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8CB2.1DBC2FA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.202]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF084-8bf84b3e1400277; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:25:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFD7238000064; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjMc-00008t-Lk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjMc-00008i-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjMZ-0001TK-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 29991 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 15:24:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=xJbZ32rKpLmS5HeLC5ZH9vvkMUh5KKXRgUJCtSbzLp46b+7oh5fZgI+txlNzZGC2D4pG5ip3FRf/UrcRoxdMyWxL8GDK/hrlmFwuUk5HPQgNBbP1Bl+6gEI/6+DujIYbBXc6WHN8U0uLfmdmNVef2rA7FyTKMxiqyLprtK0BKlk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.132.159.6 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 15:24:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: E6.r2L0VM1lVhC.X5HqEGyOZ9Xl8h57r120_yGru2NmslvRz_VbB1rpT.ELJX.wvq4SDnJ.WuoA7vfKdL6LgxYPGWGlF7Mdzp0AZzIXUAtEiVVtqvE2QLIaNJVXU9FmEhgISUzz.4E78uJaUTx1nC1NlwmieODxr7naahrGyf1qluYg8Rm.hnM_sfwc8KxIdeK.TR.wxsoTfdTGwI1eD1PP2i4BFua6DQuACYoPVZ2ytzyYgJxBunCBF5K6VVqM4wIK7wnBbGjrNsOMZ_sEBolHVr0w.nTYupc4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4b3e13ff133e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a quick listen with the car radio, but nothing heard here so far. Check out the RC website:- http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/#home.html 73 and Happy New Year, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 01 January 2010 15:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to have a German station playing music on that frequency , S8 ..quite regular flutter , may be 2 stns on the same freq ? G .. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex. Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had=20 a quick listen with the car radio, but nothing heard here so=20 far.
 
Check=20 out the RC website:-
 
 
73 and=20 Happy New Year,
 
Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 01 January 2010 15:11
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroli= ne now on=20 531Kc/s

Yes Graham the German station is winning here= at times=20 but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes=20 on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low= power but=20 can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes&= nbsp;it a=20 bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fr= i, 1/1/10,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LF:= Radio=20 Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date:=20 Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a = ; German=20 station playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..q= uite =20 regular flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the&nbs= p; same=20 freq ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on=20 531Kc/s

Hi LF
 
Radio= Caroline is=20 now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury=20 in Essex.
 
Signa= l RS 57-9=20 here in North Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL= =20 petefmt




------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8AF6.8B5FCDE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44b5761053d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB85538000183; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgii-0007j5-Nm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgii-0007iw-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgif-0000Qm-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:00:04 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0KJxpGW006533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0330 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <86F26373287745D1B7DA6983DD3D4CEC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 18-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b5761031bb2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) THank-you Henny for the report.. GOod to head that the signs were audible. CHeers Joe On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hello Joe, > nice capture and also audible, > best 73s > henny pa3cpm > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 18-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b3e53ab18d; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:57:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 106B8380104AC; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnMO-0001hS-9d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:40:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnMN-0001hJ-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:40:31 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQnMM-0005h6-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b3e500b4203 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI022-eabb4b50b07f1a4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:14:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 847E438000132; 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Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: 5ct6aagVM1nyUuH4thuWt0QwfwXPYQjCsHIJAQCwTsqA7E82whIfugdgi93Hcn.vR4Kmzy_VkZMxpj7f.nHP5CPJ6krAUp0SHdSDa97Tdv_ZZ1oCTKyMS4t9s1ZFu6G_.FWi2mNo5TZzKR7lsJhsz_a2pyXr63R6.q7XpYa2UIZzP1ybsM2gitRWhn9WG7acsG6R3zOlypm5JOu5m0hKOpgIBkcmHQYZdkzkWFt0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <5A6C0F296E754B03840071025051CF0A@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Thread-Index: AcqWBV4GjLI+CJk6SXChgiaRUEfewQAB4GzQ DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b50b07d7958 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal, I've got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz Do seem centred about 504.000 All are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur activity. Also a strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as the cat whiskers earlier which showed similar traces, but probably unrelated and local to me. 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 15 January 2010 17:06 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Dirty carrier Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Mal,
 
I've=20 got carriers spaced 117Hz, with feinter ones at 58.5Hz
Do=20 seem centred about 504.000
All=20 are continuous and don't appear related to any amateur=20 activity.
 
Also a=20 strong carrier on 505.000 which is about the same place as the cat whi= skers=20 earlier which showed similar traces, but probably unrelated and local= to=20 me.
&nb= sp;
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
 
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 15 January 2010=20 17:06
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Dirty=20 carrier

Some one has switched a dirty carri= er on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA960E.6ED0B2C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9cd4b5b5940258; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b5b5940258; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmOg-0007mK-7W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmOf-0007mB-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:53 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmOd-0007o0-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:53 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1840312bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CiETyQBSXixOWfDzdQBjmapm5SE6GoWVI0Qm40ygqpM=; b=QXlwLNJq0F79Hq3AYYr0MgH/yaG2cfDDEyaJ5yO4lVKdEAMjMzGmiFsx2Ym6U/FRkx kdz/msUpc99GevFpHzk0TAP0HZI9YVd9ZCtBgugpoffSKJdtn6HL/nc+queT9vI/rUZL k8FxlUuMQJvouzACn2T9BM5YV1RkGux2yLzy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BfMorSMZ6x8+IY1d4fs4TE3G53UN7QV74wDW7jpojKP1yZ9GFv8wkdgHvTHC344wz5 64hogUhF9DTcHt2kkk+djdyTP3W1jdVKs/M1UKr8mDcTLh3XkVoaS+/bogk8ImQFf2++ b0wA5UG3BaKDeRHY8vBApCZ+AOX/T81fHEY2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.20 with SMTP id n20mr2601280bkn.33.1264277744948; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:15:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:15:44 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are *extremely* weak when CW simply would not. Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get on? 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: > Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from > others although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not > onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs > or cw in the first place. > Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies > alias Appliance operators > The word is ill-informedtry > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Mal informed. > > On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: > >> I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier >> been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right >> circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. >> There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. These signals are >> audible with me. >> >> >> >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >> >> Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not >> getting any decodes yet. >> >> Roger G3XBM >> >> On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >>> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed >>> for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit >>> antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as >>> my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >>> >>> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put >>> the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more >>> to offer anyway. >>> >>> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a >>> bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in >>> S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth >>> difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The >>> differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error >>> correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same >>> algorithm. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>>> >>>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>>> >>>> 73s >>>> Roger G3XBM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>>> >>>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>>> get it going is in there. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>>> >>>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, >>>>> but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>>> >>>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>>> >>>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the >>>>> 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and >>>>> now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before >>>>> long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer >>>>> provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>>> >>>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>> >>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" >>>>>> guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73s >>>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR= and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely we= ak when CW simply would not.=A0

Here's an idea: why not turnin= g your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get on?

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 Jan= uary 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Obviously not reading recent postings= about no=20 decodes=A0from others=A0although the signals are visible, like I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate= =20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, ther= e are a lot of=20 these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
I still see these data signals as= a waste of=20 time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without= having=20 to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level= 2=20 demodulation.
There are several traces now visi= ble but only=20 an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if you need=20 an immdediate report. These signals are audible with me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A=20 but I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is= =20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is=20 a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And mor= e=20 importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - eno= ugh=20 said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing,= so=20 will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For= =20 a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit wit= h a=20 bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB= =20 reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same,= so=20 this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 The differing=20 message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error= =20 correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the= =20 same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks= =20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of= your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at cer= tain=20 pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering= the=20 possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running= =20 flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and= having a=20 reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sur= e=20 there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Rog= er=20 G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was nev= er=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, altho= ugh after=20 our extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is=20 now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular and documented code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MHz,=A0=20 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to= 'try=20 out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide= =20 and other supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know= to get=20 it going is in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse= than=20 JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a=20 range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC= to red=20 light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I've only ever come across= A, D=20 and G being used respectively on LF, HF and=20 uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction of a dB= =20 in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or tw= o away=20 from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any= =20 fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error=20 correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency,= =20 but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being= too=20 wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted some= thing=20 for use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G,=20 the widest spaced varient of them=A0looked=20 suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was persuaded=20 not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified=20 the code to =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced= =20 version would be decoded with the same S/N as=20 JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode was,=20 even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was= spread=20 out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH= zwide=20 overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone= =20 energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX=20 and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.= html=A0=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to= =20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing=20 information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the=20 503.7/503.85 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest,=20 bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type" wa= veforms=20 will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned= =20 for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is= =20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but= may=20 contribute to dissolving the nether and polar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lap= thorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hav= ing=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 referenc= e=20 to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes= like=20 JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz bu= t=20 never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direct= ion of=20 a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something si= milar that I=20 might understand, please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--00032555a0d2e297b2047dda9915-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-a98c4b3fbf4a4e; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:48:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3C94C38000057; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRBp0-0007Ev-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRBp0-0007Em-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRBoy-0008Dp-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:47:42 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o02LlcKI011370 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:47:39 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:47:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:47:38 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: So much acitvity :-) Thread-Index: AcqLNtIE5luBZzOPRmO5I5t/ab7mfwAvaz0M References: <1160510449@web.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.654;02.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.2.213919 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8BF5.33B4A4A3" Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b3fbf4a124f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8BF5.33B4A4A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, =20 It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for his= fine QSOs! And to M0BMU, IK1HSS, EW6GB and all the other active OMs :-) =20 I am envious that i am not qrv this evening... 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air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-60d4b535b8a7c; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:49:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG124-60d4b535b8a7c; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:48:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWa9j-0008OG-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWa9i-0008O7-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:22 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWa9g-0008PT-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:47:22 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2010 18:47:11 -0000 Received: from p5DC4386D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.56.109] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 19:47:11 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dkQ5aGiTdJSPgDEN3noOAuKgNE1GTpolNqFFn20 lOB9mExZ6vTncn Message-ID: <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:46:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham, the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? Or do I miss your point? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noise on spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900 and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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--000e0cd112dcf461b4047e2c940c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-86304b5c65a922d; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5272380000BA; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4HJ-0006nB-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4HJ-0006n0-H2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com ([209.85.222.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4HH-00009I-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:21:29 +0000 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so1470926pzk.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1ROxxnIMH6TZLCiXjs1wN+5MO2xZLav6/oPTvugYJkM=; b=GjuuTSdzZD2Urq51uv54iJkss8GI8jSbNjYVZ/cwDr8A03ZlUZ9DEoyho8E21AzLi1 gFRGRsJSy2DhxdWiBOeIKjtyKKVawek6RfX1uOi/tPtMP5GR04Mfx27ZTd4+aXWA3B3o B23cy94txyQ6Li1k8HonySLXLwjwakJYzE8jE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cmvz+reDgbr94FD5x/Cpj/mK+UWWT1hcyhfu7xtyVu/pAzAlTBaHHv8ygRQy6FnSc6 p+gJpnene56KeoNK4yq9eDL2NQAmXnO7nYBiYzo1TYZXgPg0DIS5kgC309NK3sfsfEJY NY9gmr0+xySLGcEvfZmo3nYD4e2aTtjk58gms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.188.23 with SMTP id l23mr3744626waf.40.1264346481157; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <4B5C1B0F.7050407@online.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001240721k59ccb9aeha8d5e2897fd6d3c7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ , AGC last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b5c65a724bf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report and the 'grabber' ! Yes WD2XGJ was QRO last night. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:03 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello Warren , Roman , > > Good copy of WD2XGJ (qro?) and AGC ( one string ! ) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b5c249b79; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A81E38000088; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwj-0004Xm-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzwj-0004Xd-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzwf-0006nA-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 18272 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1cw0NbTweaqEqSOHp543dDlIt7r5VoJZ/0xJKTUlBn9cZYbSwRuXhMPgX6M6MrG3ISxwY8at/eKYvWW8HJ/WfNvScolnQunX91hNkMUT+tcyjORbhtCtGoNTmz0FG42VvCpWmHOVgEiH/Km/4OCpsUAh45dHSCCfW1HGArHZVw0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 10:43:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: KIIVaTUVM1lZv5.vJeEYIizqq1brvMPId9C5QZgCG4EkGdf6XPoZzYbGO.zx8SPRQUfmpkXjaDZMhLqRLRtmJ0_Oqm8.Ffh.FBjcHbhqDQxHa1UZmtZhLhr89.cwYcM.ITHAdmzqpZ77Hq6VATXwU.ykPDz2xMGBTWcf8DK00nBUhEFoyOPQJnFbp8L2XNZ4nO9U041vx3aS_CyEciMLiDYKjEK.RQ06DIPE.WruztG_rg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <001101ca9cdb$0321fb50$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:43:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01CA9CE2.1C248DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b5c2499636b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01CA9CE2.1C248DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Eddie, LF Group, "O" Copy here... see attachment. 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multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b58c8dc3c5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Andy, Thanks for report Jim & comments Andy. Must be at my end. As far as I can see it should be decoding, I will check the sampling rate calibration if I can work it out :-(( I monitored HF bands with JT65A & no problem, thought it would be just as good with JT4A on 500. I will QRT now & try again tomorrow night. Thanks for your patience Jim. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 James Moritz > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replying > to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX message), but > obviously not OK at your end! > > 205200 21 -3 2.0 -77 26 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205400 14 -8 1.9 -77 25 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205600 10 -15 1.9 -74 21 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 205800 20 -4 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 > 210000 20 -8 2.0 -74 22 * QRZ G4WGT 1 0 > 210200 17 -4 1.9 -74 23 * NIL G4WGT 1 0 > 210400 19 -6 1.9 -74 22 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 > 210600 21 -4 1.8 -74 22 * NIL DECODE 1 0 > 210800 0 -24 0.5 131 21 > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > > > > LF, >> >> Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to >> 503.700 kHz. >> >> 73, >> >> Gay - G4WGT. >> >> > > --000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, Andy,

Thanks for report Jim & comments Andy.= Must be at my end.

As far as I can see it should= be decoding, I will check the sampling rate calibration if I can work it= out :-((

I monitored HF bands with JT65A & no problem, thou= ght it would be just as good with JT4A on 500.

I= will QRT now & try again tomorrow night. Thanks for your patience Jim= .

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com= >
Dear Gary, LF Group,

Well, no problem copying your sigs, and I think I should have been replyin= g to you OK with "G4WGT M0BMU IO91" (The first standard TX messa= ge), but obviously not OK at your end!

205200 21 =A0 -3 =A02.0 =A0-77 26 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205400 14 =A0 -8 =A01.9 =A0-77 25 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205600 10 =A0-15 =A01.9 =A0-74 21 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
205800 20 =A0 -4 =A02.0 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0QRZ G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210000 20 =A0 -8 =A02.0 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0QRZ G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210200 17 =A0 -4 =A01.9 =A0-74 23 * =A0 =A0 =A0NIL G4WGT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210400 19 =A0 -6 =A01.9 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0CQ G4WGT IO83 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
210600 21 =A0 -4 =A01.8 =A0-74 22 * =A0 =A0 =A0NIL DECODE =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 0
210800 =A00 =A0-24 =A00.5 =A0131 21


Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>=
To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A



LF,

Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to<= br> 503.700 kHz.

73,

Gay - G4WGT.




--000e0cd1188ab13f16047db37989-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-a2c34b40e15146; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:26:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FE1238000097; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV8X-0003gD-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV8W-0003g4-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRV8U-0005Vg-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7F802700008D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 729DB7000070 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2E823700008D for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103182458190.2E823700008D@mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:24:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b40e13c3a21 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, ''''so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.'''' Everyone can write software .. but not everyone can press the keys in the right order ! Talking of 'key's' its starting to look like Mal has been right for a long time .. the effort required to generate anything more than a on/off carrier on 500 is taking it through the 'fun' barrier for most operators .. and the stability requirements of the likes of wspr leaves one open to a little technical banter .. what other mode has 'banana' as one of the accepted report's (at least please send with other foot takes some time to key) ATB 2010 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:16 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > > Pete, > > There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be > kept simple. > Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the > tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. > As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward), > so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting M0FMT : > >> Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal >> controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving >> the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power >> aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game. Then use the >> readily available Software that can be down loaded for free.... no >> brain surgery required. >> >> 73 es GL petefmt >> >> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >> >> From: Andy Talbot >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >> >> There is a way... >> >> If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the >> four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. >> This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the >> other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the >> oscillator. >> >> Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. >> See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR >> message and the PIC code >> >> The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but >> with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a >> standalone manually trigerred mode. >> >> Perhaps there's a demand here... >> >> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC >> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf >> A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial >> port and PIC based dongle... >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health >> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to >> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> >> 2010/1/3 Graham >> >: >>> Roger >>> >>> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' >>> >>> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf >>> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional >>> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No >>> good >>> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo >>> controlled >>> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code >>> set .. >>> Its a good point worth making though ... >>> >>> G.. >>> From: Roger Lapthorn >>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >>> To: >>> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >>> Mal, >>> >>> Some suggestions: >>> >>> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >>> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz >>> slice >>> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >>> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room >>> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >>> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of >>> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to >>> use >>> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if >>> interference >>> to weak signals is likely. >>> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >>> less". >>> >>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>> >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >>> > >>>> >>>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide >>>> and >>>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>>> G3KEV >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.11]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5eb44b5a1db9289; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:50:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A89538000062; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYROB-0003pw-BT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYROA-0003pl-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:58 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRO7-0007tH-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:58 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so634579fge.10 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:49:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=75t5cHAmrgjZ5A8r8ZTcBQkbk71KV/G2+KDgjLwQcng=; b=KJHMJ3DIcss2GUkGw9GDyia7c85eZH71GXMjuMFzG7zjlhYPS/Tvo/RMtuLgS1BNzG +htzCl9ED1+ON5a3fEnUHjr0Qbd/43hK4rnlRbJmMnBzequzdqmrFxVBMypZxtpdirCF 1L2mjKZQhRuN5WnVhG84dCGnluUtxCfdMWhcw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ROHOLJz/6urNiv3+C2K9pYeF9MChwm3UQumz+QHjQ9B08eBiDGd28XOttYNLKN+M60 DQwRcnSEQRDkwEToPg/0bI2XXtS3SN2s3RjcEPxWkQixA1OAPZC4m25eyS0gXwjpx3tL fBxXNIw5mYCgc1vDIqEjTO7NNew7zJWW4ooeM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.146 with SMTP id p18mr381967hbh.208.1264196994602; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:49:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122224217.gm8o4dichs0o4wcs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122224217.gm8o4dichs0o4wcs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4b5a1db70546 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That sync figure not 'poor'. The mode will decode with values as low as 3 or 4. Just not as good as it could be in pure noise at that S/N. Pulse type QRM interferes with the decoding process more than poor S/N does. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Andy, > > thanks. > I just decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync = 11 , dB = -2. > Not sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black > background. > What else could cause the poor sync ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Andy Talbot : > > See annotations below >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >> Sync = 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM >> dB = -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to >> 2.5kHz) >> DT = 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both ends >> DF = -107 -107Hz tuning error >> W = 33 Not sure - >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> > --001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That sync figure =A0not 'poor'.=A0 The mode will decode with= values as low as 3 or 4.
=A0Just not as good as it could be in pure noise at that S/N.
=A0
Pulse type QRM interferes with the decoding process more than poor S/= N does.
2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,

thanks.
I just= decoded Gary : "CQ G4WGT IO83", sync =3D 11 , dB =3D -2.
Not= sure wether QRM is an issue, I see 2 bright traces against a black backgr= ound.
What else could cause the poor sync ?

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20


Quoting Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>:<= br>
See annotations below

A= ndy
www.g4jnt.com<http://www.g4jnt= .com>


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>>=20

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual= but maybe the =A0figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim ma= y give a clue:
Sync =3D 9 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Not brilliant for -2dB= S/N =A0 but blame the bad QRM
dB =3D -2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Very good signal (This is the S/N no= rmalised to 2.5kHz)
DT =3D 0.0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Timing spot-on,= no error between clocks at both ends
DF =3D -107 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= -107Hz tuning error
W =3D 33 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Not sure= -

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T
--001485f795f4ca1a6a047dc7cc9f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9d64b50f95832f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:25:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME092-9d64b50f95832f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:25:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVvWU-0001RC-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVvWU-0001R3-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVvWS-0004RU-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A9F91C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D7C31C00091 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.230]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2690F1C00087 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:24:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100115232402158.2690F1C00087@mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9D221BF7BFE546CFBA04FD04B7E7D4C6@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:24:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GB4FPR CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon (should be) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With a bit of luck GB4FPR live CW 502.0 Saturday afternoon .....= ... no email access at the station ,=20 Tnx G .. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With a  bit of  luck GB4FPR=  =20 live  CW  502.0  Saturday afternoon ........
no email access at  the  st= ation ,=20
 
Tnx G ..
 
 
 


------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01CA9639.D20E1140-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA102-a774b577f7287; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:11:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b577f7287; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:11:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXikh-0000aP-0A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXikg-0000aG-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXike-0001Jz-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5ED3B4EB for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:10:27 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100120221027.3512dd06@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Roger, Lubos=20 Well done both stations! I was trying to work out if any part of the Shetland archipelago would lie beyond the magical 1000km, for a /P RX operation, but now I don't need to! That's great news and a testament to Lubos's RX setup, the ionosphere and Roger's tenacity to stick at it. Great to see! John GM4SLV On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:50:18 +0100 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: >=20 > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: >=20 > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >=20 > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 >=20 > Congratulation! >=20 > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > =20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Nov=C3=A1 Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s= ten prav=C3=BD? 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Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b42606f27e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:41:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 80F9D3800684C; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuXU-00026r-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuXU-00026i-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuXR-00059h-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:32:36 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from p5DD34DBD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.77.189] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 22:32:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LR80jHASLM0U0Y0KMJ5G2Vwe8KLUMvYVcYUCrkE vMXSQn/Vy/EcPX Message-ID: <04c801ca8d85$687dc480$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04C5_01CA8D8D.C6ED8340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b425ead26c1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_04C5_01CA8D8D.C6ED8340 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:22:10 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123182210.51u2kvjtxcwssg00@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:22:10 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b5b309c4489 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim, no copy here either, nor a visisble trace that could pint on a JT4A signal. What is your TX frequency ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Jim, > > Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing seen yet, keep it > going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? & USB, it > probably is but you didn't state which JT4x. > > I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as > before on 503.600 kHz. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowburn > > wrote: > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-a9304b50c2a629; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:31:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4024438000104; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrsh-0005Ft-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrsh-0005Fk-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrsf-00065B-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:51 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1263583842; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=k0uM6Zj0Krr/fmo47490uA9zHYrXomjmXnWMOOHXzStLUi1tOe9A044OzuJVe2UrC PfJlhUBdogsH5JjI+2Y1YtFHeXHW5d8MG2GZdEOpaoTfjzy3wzbdv7SsVsQEeZFqyj obkVJuzRnWwJu2zZ7TSSqFbNTRBr+uRBqW5JS0y8= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFXBSTMASAKECS for (sender ); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vuK15kFFlKKvrqaZAxoeAh8+zDLNb1nS6A== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P4CEFH2S; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:29:21 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:28:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20100115.142821.1508.1.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-10,12,14,16,18-19,21,23-26,28-32767 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 6069 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3204821416 X-MAIL-INFO:393e0ebb8adb2acbdfbf1ad35b6a8a4ac3b70afa9a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_4d6d.24a3.4a7b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24b50c2a5512d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----__JNP_000_4d6d.24a3.4a7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernon, thanks for the report and listening. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 vmath@eastlink.ca writes: Hi all...left the rig running all night ... 2010-01-15 08:14 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -2 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 08:12 WD2XSH/10 0.503838 +2 0 EM95tg +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 1828 1136 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/17 0.503891 -4 0 FN42pb +33 1.995 VE1VDM FN85ij 701 436 2010-01-15 08:10 WD2XSH/37 0.503910 -4 0 FN42fo +23 0.200 VE1VDM FN85ij 729 453 2010-01-15 07:16 SM6BHZ 0.503924 -26 0 JO57wq +27 0.501 VE1VDM FN85ij 5087 3161 2010-01-15 07:04 PA0A 0.503899 -21 0 JO33de +37 5.012 VE1VDM FN85ij 4916 3055 Regards Vernon - VE1VDM Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500' longwire ( 0 degrees ) ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. 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Vernon, thanks for the report and listening.  73  Bob = =20 WD2XSH/37
 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:04:40 -0400 vmath@eastlink.ca writes:

Hi all...left the rig running all night ...

 2010-01-15 08:14   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -2   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 
 2010-01-15 08:12   WD2XSH/10   0.503838   +2   0   EM95tg   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   1828   1136 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/17   0.503891   -4   0   FN42pb   +33   1.995   VE1VDM   FN85ij   701   436 
 2010-01-15 08:10   WD2XSH/37   0.503910   -4   0   FN42fo   +23   0.200   VE1VDM   FN85ij   729   453 

 = ; =20
 2010-01-15 07:16   SM6BHZ      0.503924   -26   0   JO57wq   +27   0.501   VE1VDM   FN85ij   5087   3161 
 2010-01-15 07:04   PA0A        0.503899   -21   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   VE1VDM   FN85ij   4916   3055 

 

Regards Vernon - VE1VDM

Icom R75 with a 750' longwire ( 60 degrees ) and a 500= '=20 longwire ( 0 degrees )

 


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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE" Subject: LF: low noise OPAs and Transistors X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b5e45c57ccd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Group,=20 I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and OPA= s for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well...=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9E26.E2C08AAE Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; 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Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 463FD3800012A; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsZ-0005Vn-DW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsY-0005Ve-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQsW-00041R-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so12418705fxm.4 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.244.4 with SMTP id k4mr456161hbq.193.1263241717231; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [86.179.155.14] In-Reply-To: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: From: PETER CLEALL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b4b8a3f0ff2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the search criteria before you critise and beleive that failure to have a qso with you is a failure to contribute to LF/MF regards peter G8AFN 2010/1/11 mal hamilton > Om > Like you suggest two licences A and B > > Licence A > Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering > iron to build a wireless and communicate. > > Licence B > Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf > especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize > Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this > class would be most suitable.for them. > > What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall > when we had a QSO or heard you. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto di Bene" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering > involved > > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > > frequencies. > > > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO > kinds > of ham radio licenses... > > > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques > or experiment old ones, either by building > > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where > "communication" is to be intended with the > > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever > radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to > talk > with other B-licensed persons, usually of > > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, > or by operating a mechanical switch that > > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) > carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with > substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... > Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the= search criteria before you critise and=A0 beleive that failure to have a= qso with you is=A0 a failure to contribute to LF/MF

regards
peter G8AFN

2010/1/1= 1 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Om
Like you suggest two licences A and B

Licence A
Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate.

Licence B
Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf
especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize<= br> Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them.

What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall<= br> when we had a QSO or heard you.

G3KEV



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto di Bene" <di= bene@usa.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...


> > Self-training =3D learning somethin= g, by your own endeavours
> >
> > Radio Communications =3D the whole gamut of science & engine= ering involved
> > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at rad= io
> > frequencies.
> >
> > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in rea= l time
> > to undertake this "self-training"?
>
> There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO= kinds
of ham radio licenses...
>
> License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techni= ques
or experiment old ones, either by building
> themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication,= where
"communication" is to be intended with the
> meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatev= er
radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs"
>
> License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to= talk
with other B-licensed persons, usually of
> subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulat= ion,
or by operating a mechanical switch that
> interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave)
carrier... =A0let's call them "Rags Chewers"
>
> If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with<= br> substantial fines in case of invasion of the other
> slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever..= .
Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags
> Chewers with Rags Chewers....
>
> 73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD
>
>
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--00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.95]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b4f209a139; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:48:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 93C8F380000ED; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQ1d-0008B2-6o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVQ1b-0008At-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:11 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVQ1X-00035A-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:10 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so16524469bwz.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:46:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BNqtcwz3gz0+ri9y54s+q0rLifeBvvrGlC0no3Z9jVo=; b=oy1o5jNlzvDmcpU4wA3QgoIQ/6rSAY+4zz9c/IBoUeAr6CXAKAppHFRY8WlDO7cstZ Cxkb0uMCoKillxkST3MUMFjC/SG5++WLoR/Bsf7aW78TJskvfcBnHl2FXTOIdooFZ8hw hKKUkYBxDxOzMJlCadmPN4VjnzXlbkoNuZlNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=himO7sE3i7H45HCzAIuOJkUpBYJr0N5Coj4TLko5wLflNDX9za264tCUqPerfnO0Uk P3Dek/5mR+sa0M9wJr1KgVtLciwZHnmhP6aXFYcgPH6SzCc1W5xOE+sIVJrVAaTLrngI jeQuYD/OuOixxxKc/zbWSZHTtlQt6f/llDnQQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.3 with SMTP id f3mr453908bkf.140.1263476761720; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:46:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405f4b4f20974786 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You mean derive it from the *transceiver's* master oscilllator. Yes, a good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but may well be on "grown up" radios. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 Andy Talbot > If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's master > oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any > frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output > frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. > > Just an example: > The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from > 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily > divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > > My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about >> 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to >> adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the >> oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I >> start TXing. >> >> At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature >> LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as >> his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger >> temperature range. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi guys, >>> >>> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 >>> MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >>> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >>> >>> Thanks all the comments. >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >>> >>> Dear LF Group, >>>> >>>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >>>> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174bec609082f0047d201bf6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You mean derive it from the transceiver's master oscilllator.= Yes, a good idea, but the MO is not available on an unmodified FT817 but= may well be on "grown up" radios.

73s
Roger G3XBM
=
2010/1/14 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com&g= t;
If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn= @gmail.com>

My own QRP tran= sverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before= settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the= dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator runni= ng all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,<= br>
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz wo= uld be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past= 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885=

73, Rik





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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA99BE.44845680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b734b56f8911af; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD045-b734b56f8911af; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:35:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZlZ-0006Ur-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXZlY-0006Ui-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXZlV-0005ay-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so39536bwz.29 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:34:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rMOQkbj231yUqdpdoxq1JDD1MBPCAUNwvvN5O03gy8k=; b=PHpDSJm9TF2udqPz4i9iJGIZ7PyxEnOQLmu1u8pjuylQLiEYHDzSKw1aKtMattcVmG gavkUufRA6Oq/FOCPnzUx/TSY9O1rvEPFUCz34SAcw0+bnpdGEjpz1T0GIbysBUrCQc3 03PKjlir9nF+ukQO3doL/5K+3ikYZKzXrKlM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hoEZ0JYY+EdNVP3vNQqAcbApwHJdLNXQf5Apr9xR9ylOtkZDvTpu72Mxk2xtk9utb/ GgMNImiVDwNaPhyEEs+RRaTfDDZApvrkLGbyaPL88UrmvuROO6Z4fIQwaTH0X6Pd4MvR wWt/bsyIr2lRnvMkiAtGt6h6vHTm/Deary4vc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.131 with SMTP id h3mr5082183bkd.53.1263990862159; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:34:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001200434r5ea7bc2bmdf59d615f4bde73f@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos, Thank you *so much* for your efforts. I hope you will be successful in receiving my signal in the countryside location. My WSPR signal will be on 500kHz every evening and night this week from around 1900z until 0800z eac= h day. Last night, the best DX report for me was 960kms into JN68. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger! > I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some days ago. > So... > I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I moved them on my portable > QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE aerial for 500kHz ther= e. I > started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It will be receiving continuo= usly > some days and nights. I have got Internet line from my cottage to my hom= e > hamshack, so I am able to see what is written in WSPR window there. > It will be interesting test, I think. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000 > From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the > night > > > All, > > I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for= a > few more nights. Beating my personal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited= not > by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms ran= ge > staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy. > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England= *please > leave your RX running for the next few nights* and keep a close watch fo= r > G3XBM around *503.900kHz +/-20Hz*. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ------------------------------ > Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s > ten prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a9256a231047d97cee3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos,

Thank you so much for your efforts. I hope you will= be successful in receiving my signal in the countryside location. My WSPR= signal will be on 500kHz every evening and night this week from around 19= 00z until 0800z each day.

Last night, the best DX report for me was 960kms into JN68.

73s=
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG= <bvgbob@hotmai= l.com>
Hello Roger!
I didn=B4t see your QRPP signal, when we tried WSPR some= days ago.
So...
I packed my receiver + computer to a car and I mov= ed them on my portable QTH outside of town today morning. I have got EWE= aerial for 500kHz there. I started whole set on frequency 502.400kHz. It= will be receiving continuously some days and nights. I have got Internet= line from my cottage to my home hamshack, so I am able to see what is wri= tten in WSPR window there.
It will be interesting test, I think.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN8= 8KS
=A0

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:36 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@g= mail.com
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR stations in central Euro= pe - please listen through the night

=
All,

I'm going to leave my 500kHz WSPR beacon running through the night for a few more nights. Beating my pe= rsonal 1000kms barrier seems to be limited not by my low 1mW ERP, but by an absence of stations in the 1000-1200kms range staying on through the night when conditions are less noisy.

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Swe= den, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close= watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--000325559a9256a231047d97cee3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b40be0a14; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1550380000B5; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSn0-0001z3-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSn0-0001yu-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSmy-0004Mm-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:54:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 25653 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 15:54:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=W/R8srrw/OOAS0IlxRibczevjslsqRU8cvO9HkGZhAgMLnWMv/GZxlvAALj1bZwpGjWhOe4om4Zc2qJI3t7MKJ9VvJ3FU2tI5KJOlWh6T6T1fSHoeh75QnMwqhnf0F9fYCyLV6CWsswytYy5jdVgEZLNlU/AdJH5aiOsZSe2Uig= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@81.132.69.88 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 15:54:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: pHtn7LIVM1n5NcWPVNtYajihijincYcAe4.ChWIyDN9zVtxN5w9wBS5zyS.JsVyuDqAYRY0LtZrxtIAc5AZpUFMFLOajxbwPLDjtLZrYSZ5wPnyfAcc8b6ouz7YAbYlYCnWz9pRfIRauN9M2Iam9hgswuNhAov0OWWTdXSS2fa61wmc97QPhyUZWoKyg0Gc8LejfKYiiEg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <535A6207A4CB435ABFAE32B2BAD39045@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:54:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: pa0a Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b40be093759 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands locator jo33de from 1630 - 1640 ut= c 030110 today at=20 rst 559. 73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator jo92uc. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heared pa0a beacon from Netherlands= locator=20 jo33de from 1630 - 1640 utc 030110 today at
rst 559.
 
73 Dennis m0jxm Biggleswade locator= =20 jo92uc.
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CA8C8D.0BF20C10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b40bf22174; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:00:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F9E43800141B; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSrJ-00025b-Rx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRSrJ-00025Q-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRSrG-0004PV-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:59:13 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so5417066fxm.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:59:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tPVQG3OKW+HaTcEOruwuXihhlyzrUqdx7Q6KkihwUlQ=; b=OAKE/dUtuterlenPHNgUWo1dUNcVJzIlKchbYNErJd4JXElVA+JICbH5AY7Frf7+cg h+cjaI5cBa77kZLvxueotsM9OrS4u/oYrCCKkwslmBTp2k92SYmUuR+aJTZFioAgxH4b Cixl25BYRYYK1l7NLXVPiCz1mmuqjPHS//3Wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CMimfia0CteJA1slxUDTOk6MXa4l0kLceqlpi8yEx7uvnN625vf4mZibILXXRzrdxZ H4zYVL0QzaEo4Fy9SxzVB9NzbjocEPGVYmUeNEhxY5X7/0/gM4hIGrJ9rtsRZmpRCm+y jtozk92yRJ2vsXB2uZmWN2wBHPhgdDqN+l3A8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.142 with SMTP id l14mr587621hbd.43.1262534344615; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:59:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b40bf0064a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) There is a way... If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the oscillator. Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR message and the PIC code The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a standalone manually trigerred mode. Perhaps there's a demand here... WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial port and PIC based dongle... Andy www.g4jnt.com Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/3 Graham : > Roger > > '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' > > That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf > carrier=A0frequency =A0conversion,=A0=A0...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 conv= entional > transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good > if you=A0 have dividing logic in the=A0amplifier =A0drive train , vfo=A0= controlled > or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. > Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... > > G.. > From: Roger Lapthorn > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice > of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use > this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce > to weak signals is likely. > You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >> >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-a6fc4b60855b2d9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:26:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB05638000077; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCZh-0003Vp-0q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaCZg-0003Vg-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaCZe-0004uG-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:08 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 73CB57000088 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 63DF07000089 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.49.78]) by mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1BE1E7000088 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100127182458114.1BE1E7000088@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <168F7F330270493183FC0D8F85E4B729@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:24:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54b6085597bbd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Jay Yes odd night as the signals into EU where quite low , no spots from the SV station either ....very deep qsb , even Finbar faded out at one time ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:14 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > > Graham > > Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, > there was room to spare with the two spots at > -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the > pond! > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > > >> Thank for the report Jay , >> >> I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult >> cw qso with Rik on7t early on ... rf was going the other way hi >> >> 73 - G .. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM >> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" >> Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT >> >>> >>> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >>> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD >>> FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk >>> +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-60e4b4e3faf27a; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:49:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG125-60e4b4e3faf27a; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:48:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB40-00058s-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB40-00058h-1x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVB3w-0003co-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000 Received: by pxi27 with SMTP id 27so220234pxi.4 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MuwDm2gPrRoC0o1fV90gkKYrcFQHxST2eNCXFQCud3Q=; b=uNdU2iEiYmudMomQyv67LUXArO1NYI4WSQ+77t2g8g1MUnUJQwn7N0a/UTeIFNECAq EhGqR0i7qTCyAwNykFc8TuRyOm9f+Y7EWNhofXnsjem6ez9Us/wDx19HIrGlZ/U6PYv3 CAnuGrsNqdQKB27L9Rux7wFrcVouCooUmbBrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=eGTug27NpuSLlpWsS9ECbVNyZUz/ociIa5z4dqQdPxXc9pBH2yHGBAwQ3qlqdS753b oIjdytkxFw6+5qHtadK34brv32E51iPEFWbI9HyQVTX+pSkSSpC9XQ5yap6e5SWaNIbW A9GpBOkMeCRL+VniYa+NSwwaqClCFuhybFx0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.213.30 with SMTP id p30mr1161766rvq.162.1263419248548; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:47:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 440b3c6c40dbbe5b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=00151748e84c831dd5047d12b701 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --00151748e84c831dd5047d12b701 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff --00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this signal. 73 Gary - G4WGT --00151748e84c831dc8047d12b7ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi,

Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this signal.

73

Gary - G4WGT
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19y7cboVM1lzcvvqMNi_eQMWT8PcqXcWovSrB5XGUfbfCOazZfdV2b7e0GFfrh2vbN6YxD_SL1r0NKnxomfo1Yed9z9L03HZ3JWf2OEGlPzowmFOZ83JKfS1TskZdAcYpnu_cCvFTe_smkDuOqjx9lzSORQO4XRmTWtBHVZkNMzCLbsi6deFuwukCVEGiKGPKZSYApDFqfM3nU8MuBXr7ta.wrJK_qoxwI9ao1rZa208.v0k918dP5A5X_d6NAnrNxbdYX5OCQ069UFNrbwJ8wC5zV3nF7lTRHTcKR7O2nwlc8mSaQcTwmH0Z70GqrPYocQ- Received: from [213.122.56.60] by web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:57:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:57:33 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894b62bf7674b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention the late Reg's progra= m. Your estimate is probably right and the thing is complicated further by= even in daytime the skywave being stronger than the ground wave beyond 10= 00km (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's data on DCF39 to Oporto route) On the= longer paths you cannot rely on the skywave only consisting of one hop(wh= ereas I believe this may be true at short distances) there is some evidenc= e that at night on 500kHz there are two different paths even at quite shor= t distances (cf the reported very deep fading on stations that cannot be= heard in daytime....i.e the fading is probably between two skywave path= rather than ground and skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes may= be reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than two hop...= ..not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, 29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, 9:22 >=20 > =20 > Hello Stefan, >=20 >=20 > ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. >=20 > The assumption you made (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) > takes only the > 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. >=20 > In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > earth curve) and ground loss. >=20 > The bad message is that these losses both have a more or > less 1D > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear > to the > distance. >=20 > The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna > efficiency, > frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path > attenuation, > field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.=20 >=20 > It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in > case you > cannot find it I can send it to you. >=20 > Just as an example the path loss this programme gives > for 137kHz > and an average ground: >=20 > 250km =3D 55.1dB >=20 > 500km =3D 65.3dB >=20 > 750km =3D 74.7dB >=20 > 1000km =3D 83.5dB >=20 > 2000km =3D 115.4dB >=20 > 3000km =3D 144.5dB >=20 > 4000km =3D 172.2dB >=20 > 5000km =3D 199.0dB >=20 > As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). >=20 > I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface > wave limit for > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 >=20 > At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: >=20 > Hi Alan and LF, >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I know there are some of you who can easily > answer my > question that follows :-) >=20 > =20 >=20 > The maximum distance of the groundwave at a > specific > fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the > antenna current of > the TX antenna, right? >=20 > So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > surrounding noise > level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) > )?. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I expect, that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, > just as > before. >=20 > =20 >=20 > So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > the above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? > Sure, thats a very > theoretical question since there will not be the same > ground conductivity > on the whole distance but anyway. >=20 > =20 >=20 > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. There must be > interferences with the > sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave > at an other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is present!? >=20 > =20 >=20 > If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but on > LF?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Tnx for enlightning answers... >=20 > =20 >=20 > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA >=20 > Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 >=20 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is > getting > silly >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! >=20 >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.203]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b3f73d014; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:26:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD50338000B2B; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR6ml-0004Hs-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR6ml-0004Hj-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR6mi-0006i9-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:03 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugEALMBP0tcGJzk/2dsb2JhbACCF40zwiyEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="402876590" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.156.228]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 16:24:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4b3f73ad6268 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow in for QSB, QRS 3 would= be better for me. Stil daylight here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His signal= is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow= =20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject: LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA,= on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2B= VG,=20 JN88KS

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8BC8.111A5960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b4f7aa0312; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:12:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 331FE3800011A; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVW29-00023i-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVW29-00023Z-3F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVW26-000756-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:09 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4186477pwj.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=47Hnr/0TbjiBsyUvjcZpgpIRJlvEE4k6p6V9SLXRpjg=; b=C8Snv89RRaQRWDJ7IusbWI5KfnG7GKcLvgBbaMG7ByNSvGoUiejq4Ac8cVWtad+Cds VEr5STTZHTc3HGSiKlq143kD6nJOavc/3p1Hi5qO4IE4iBAXIk1cUN/KF0CC8UcZ7Axe PLYq3lbej8cJkdtxdPhJtNkzdXc1lPNC9i9FU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QS1TbYIxdlqToDVaOM84uaxjx7Xu8cbycIH2zSDIR+0+eI5ZW6VGQIr/JfkBwQMow4 J8hALxnhyMgITUt1M2JfO9AZsN1nlWo+h0/DZMt3Ki0cBnkztl2v762q9iF3Z4KeuBJZ FsfRpTV3gCrWR2cr3ID8f6NfS9s5XSPsGxiNE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr927281rvl.194.1263499859654; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66967e5345975b85 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b4f7a9e0eeb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All at LF, Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios using my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple of NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it was there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the signal not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had disappeared as well. You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card is an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Tracey, > > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID :- > > 498.7 > *NT* 0 UNID XUU > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID when/if > it gets strong enough. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > > Hello Gary >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there are a >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. >> >> Tracey >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 >> >> Hi Roman, LF, >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that >> frequency. >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be >> interested. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB >> >>> >>> Hi LF! >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> Roman RW3ADB. >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All at LF,

Update on previous mails regarding 498.80= 0 kHz.

The signal is not really there, I tried to= Rx it on my "real" radios using my 500 kHz vertical & there= was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple of NDB's a little lower= at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it was there good &= strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber.

My next move was to connect to another sound card &= ; not only was the signal not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash &a= mp; other interference had disappeared as well.

You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card= is an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Tracey,

Thanks, I have looked at the list & the= nearest is the following UNID :-

498.7 NT 0=A0 =A0UNID =A0XUU =A0 =A0UNID ENG IRL 2 2005-08-28 =A0=A0

Not=A0sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I= can copy an ID when/if it gets strong enough.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>

Hello Gary
=A0
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
=A0
=A0
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
=A0
Tracey
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010= 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades= in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher whic= h=20 looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment),=A0but nothing on my lists for= =20 an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few= kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the= HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may= be=20 interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.



--000e0cd112464efbc3047d257c06-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.221]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b5a183f204; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61E8138000131; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYR1Q-0003Kv-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYR1P-0003Km-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:27 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYR1M-0007h8-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:27 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1706217fxm.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L9K4FuQjanbkw7YSBXqladxBWuRwJ+lx+tLeDQYKA1w=; b=mAqyyInlM9VuU7p1X3mqqJ/MxNcKMBdRl5XgQJ5msFz2MPmZZz2hKvKC/ewKlmN4PA fGU4+dnUTfUXzldKmSmxF8vqn+86ixWgCM8Yh4nD5C+a88b/SlTfy1Zikn13HhK3fuh7 OaH4YqMdLDbI3ke5lTUhNvkK5c18HjlHqchAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v+nNfQDaofgB3fFXk+8qb9GaA8MjnsyqNSiGSFLIMGeHHq6bKJGD2JjSSqAMWNG2rF CTWiqlv/oJd4j4ndFeU/kqUFdKzN7+KhIXNOLAEcHlAC7pmpD9G5xfAWFh9cJp2ThGXx bAJrVrAlXXOrUI1QGoTpFjlEW0SBHJUe0JrGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.148 with SMTP id p20mr395688hbh.7.1264195578258; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b5a183d1f48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 See annotations below Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures > WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync = 9 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N but blame the bad QRM > dB = -2 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to > 2.5kHz) > DT = 0.0 Timing spot-on, no error between clocks at both ends > DF = -107 -107Hz tuning error > W = 33 Not sure - > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe : > > Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See annotations below
=A0
2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
As said I haven't read any= instructions / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readab= le copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Not brilliant for -2dB S/N=A0= =A0 but blame the bad QRM
dB =3D -2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Very good signal (This is the S/N normalised to 2.5kHz)
DT =3D= 0.0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Timing spot-on, no error between= clocks at both ends
DF =3D -107=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -107Hz tuning error
W =3D 33= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Not sure -

73, Rik= =A0ON7YD - OR7T=20


Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just= fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 tha= t decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I= set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST=
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read= the instructions /
manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS:= both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT= <g4wgt@tiscal= i.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing= WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have= made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing= Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.6= 00 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.








--0016e64095d45e65c0047dc7785b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-91f4b4e3f774d; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:48:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD087-91f4b4e3f774d; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:47:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB38-00057v-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVB38-00057m-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVB36-0003Ww-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KW70096GGHODI@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:46:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:46:30 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/DX1FaDKtqXR+qwnN38U+A)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_/DX1FaDKtqXR+qwnN38U+A) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA)" --Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe,LF Capture vx9mrc the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible, best 73s Henny pa3cpm. Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_E7OzrktTARI1VMOrpokBdA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Joe,LF
Capture vx9mrc
the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible,
best 73s
Henny pa3cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 13-01.jpg

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6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64b4214ad39fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so of= ten, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand not= doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save time= ). Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wish beaconing stations would send= a full=20 callsign, even every so often, in the same mode as they are transmitti= ng. I can=20 undertsand not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established= (to save=20 time).
Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8D59.514C96A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-8e34b420ffea4; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:58:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34b420ffea4; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:57:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpI8-0008Kc-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpI8-0008KT-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpI5-0007KY-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:56:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAOedQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPwbGR4Iigg4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="265865526" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 15:56:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:56:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic= set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growli= ng away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base= once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using= CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than= 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together with= in just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propaga= tion and station performance/changes to be determined. This would lea= ve plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband co= nversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tole= rant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3= kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
This is fantastic news for the Ap= pliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended mach= ines, all=20 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Ope= rator=20 check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more=20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity wa= s by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity aga= in using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (mor= e than 100=20 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together= within just=20 a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propaga= tion and=20 station performance/changes to be determined.  This would= leave=20 plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowba= nd=20 conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's n= ot a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really=20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tole= rant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB bea= con on 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ= is causing=20 QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast US= A=20 stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed to wor= k SSB in=20 such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shamble= s swamped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an=20 opinion?
G3KEV
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8D56.71035C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5b24b5a23e327d; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:17:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24b5a23e327d; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:17:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRnX-0004EX-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRnW-0004EO-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:10 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRnV-0001Bl-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:10 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43EE7B804D for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1CF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id E2A0218056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122231554.t7w2n0vpwkocg4g4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Jim, thank you both for the JT4A test. Gary, I got no further than a single decode, all others went to Jim ;-) I must indeed read the manual (although reading a manual can be seen =20 as a sign of weakness ;-) ), but I caught a cold and my head is not =20 into reading serious stuff right now. Maybe tomorrow ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. > > If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, =20 > right click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the =20 > decode bandwidth to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click =20 > on the wanted signal first. That will exclude any signal from =20 > outside that "Tol" setting indicated by the red marker line on the =20 > scale at the top. > > Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon =20 > catch on :-)) > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, > > OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). > But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. > I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a =20 > good value would be 20 or more). > Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on =20 > the trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on =20 > your freq.) most of the time it is still decoding Jim. > Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value =20 > (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > Rik, > > That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > >> > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 > dB =3D -2 > DT =3D 0.0 > DF =3D -107 > W =3D 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >>: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT =20 > >>: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-b5414b4226d5384; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1D5A38009657; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqgf-0000eX-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqge-0000eO-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:49 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRqga-000807-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:25:47 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 70156624A90B for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.44] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1569989546@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18q9Dhh7W/BWeXQWqYrCAtELjvBGetI1XJ44WaPpVrjb274J B8v1S8kJTptK296STJUZjNiL5/gkVP/GsNLsx/Xk/Xa20aCywgep7Ll3yn7B g== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b4225274c89 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for exa= mple, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or other "s= low" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is worse no= t everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Thats par= t of the game . . . Horst .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Callsigns >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so=20 > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand=20 > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save=20 > time). >=20 > Chris, G4AYT. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5ef24b5626c3ac; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:40:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D60538000184; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLn6-000430-Ry for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLn6-00042r-AO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLn3-0000Q9-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:12 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so3341891fxm.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OdZYHWQwOeWBaW08ZHunzg/Ro3vWqGu3q6NBdxtcS+g=; b=IzBmYJgv9IDPrglfSUNdUBo8N3tO3WU/wgwQiUyKuaI9+av8ORM4cCEcCtSCQx/w2W smp3+hMSNdr5nWVdyMvo2CXpaCDfw7aun6jg0sLdUdO8LWv80DzTNb2prUSrJDAJ2Loq xsp/voPUrKl+ROeEku0T7ek+ioeAVdWkw/4gQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mx2GSMsO8PlBfQmYDjauysbzmJwAwZCOySpa+WHBSCTIsQ1CGTC0Xjv1EpUWUO2FtD 9jF3XC0IsqWCW4B6Q9cUd1hUgcqXF+sXxQkqgjJwLTUD7pK0UblaTz8mlXtSrb0fpf+a eItOc2+cFngiqXrr5mBc2gnOHfm7D4JjVt1t0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.204 with SMTP id t12mr843852hba.142.1263937143191; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:39:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b5626c13a1e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 JT4 is based on the old 11025Hz sampling, which is badly supported by modern soundcards unlike WSPR which is based on 12kHz sampling. This has lead many an op to get poor decoding performance on otherwise strong signals WSJT does have a self calibration routine built in, and shows you the correction needed. If the sampling rate is in error, the correction factors come up highlighted in red, and you need to enter these values into the setup screen. Most modern cards implement 11025Hz as 11100Hz, which at the end of a 48 second transmission interval results in 0.33 seconds error. This is a substantial offset - more than one symbol at the 4.375Hz rate - and usually fails. The source coding details are the same as JT65, so the manual for that, where it describes valid message formats, also applies to JT4. You can encode two callsigns plus a four digit locator in the message structure, or other compressed message formats, but to get the full 6 digit locator as we need for microwaves pluss callsign forces plain text mode. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Ko & Andy, > > Thanks Ko for further decodes. > > Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at the pdf > for more info, thanks. > > I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some > reason. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 >> characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf >> and the WSJT documantation >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi Ko, >>> >>> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >>> >>> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >>> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >>> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>>> >>>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on >>>>> LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gary >>>> Just received: >>>> >>>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> >>>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JT4 is based on the old 11025Hz sampling, which is badly supported by= modern soundcards unlike WSPR which is based on 12kHz sampling.=A0=A0 Thi= s has=A0lead many an op to get poor decoding performance on otherwise stro= ng signals
=A0
WSJT does have a self calibration routine built in, and shows you the= correction needed.=A0 If=A0the sampling rate is=A0in error, the correctio= n factors come up highlighted in red, and you need to enter these values= into the setup screen.
=A0
Most modern cards implement 11025Hz as 11100Hz, which at the end of= a 48 second transmission interval results in 0.33 seconds error.=A0 This= is a substantial offset=A0- more than one symbol at=A0the 4.375Hz rate -= =A0and usually fails.
=A0
The source coding details are the same as JT65, so the manual for tha= t, where it describes valid message formats, also applies to JT4.=A0=A0 Yo= u can encode=A0two callsigns=A0plus a=A0four digit locator in the message= structure, or other compressed message formats, but to get=A0the full 6= digit=A0locator as we need for microwaves pluss callsign=A0forces=A0=A0pl= ain text mode.
Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Ko & Andy,=20

Thanks Ko for further decodes.

Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at= the pdf for more info, thanks.

I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for= some reason.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Pr= ocess.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



<= br>



--001485f7d87c7038db047d8b4ce7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI073-ead04b5775fb126; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:30:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AED3D380000FB; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXi6s-00006d-LR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXi6r-00006U-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:05 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXi6p-000856-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:29:05 +0000 Received: from COL122-W60 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:28:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:56 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> References: ,<083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop>,<9afca2641001201256yd614c84hab0955c3ce959add@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 21:28:57.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F0A450:01CA9A17] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_" Subject: LF: WSPR_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b5775f8799e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, Jim, LF! Yes, I think the some, there is a chance to receive 1mW signal here.=20 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 1924 -26 -0.3 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 1944 -7 0.4 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1954 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2000 -6 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2006 -6 -0.4 0.503970 0 PE5T JO33 23 2008 -3 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2014 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2028 -29 -0.4 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 2054 -9 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2100 -11 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000 From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_OK Well done Jim - that's a good distance.=20 Lubos is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-2= 3dB weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to hear= me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! Andy and I= are about the same distance from Lubos. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/20 James Cowburn 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, Jim, LF!
Yes, I think the some, there is a chance to recei= ve 1mW signal here.

1916 -25  0.0   0.503879 = 0 G7NKS IO92 17
1924 -26 -0.3   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92= 17


1944  -7  0.4   0.503874  0 G4JNT= IO90 23
1954  -6  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO9= 0 23
2000  -6  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23=
2006  -6 -0.4   0.503970  0 PE5T JO33 23
2008&n= bsp; -3  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2014 -10&n= bsp; 0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2028 -29 -0.4&n= bsp;  0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

2054  -9  0.3&n= bsp;  0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2100 -11  0.2  = ; 0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


<= hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000
From: roge= rlapthorn@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF= : RE: WSPR_OK

Well done Jim - that's a good distance.

Lubos= is copying G4JNT at up to -10dB S/N. I seem to get reports some 20-23dB= weaker than Andy, so I am hopeful that Lubos might just manage to= hear me at some point one night soon even if the report is -30dB! = Andy and I are about the same distance from Lubos.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/20= James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">1200km!!!= !  new record for me!!

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">With best= regards

 

 

Jim

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010 19:= 24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

H= ello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1= s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.




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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_41a0ec3d-7fe2-4d48-a0d0-45b8ce32a1d7_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b56b6521bd; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:52:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFFF038000041; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVLU-0005IF-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:51:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVLU-0005I6-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:51:20 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVLS-0000aE-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b56b6507d0d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jay, Received the beacon WE2XGR/2 last night (19/20 Jan.). 87 WSPR spots, best SNR -12 dB at 02:56 UTC, next best -13 dB at 05:36 and 03:06 UTC and -14 dB at 05:24, 04:06, 03:40. 73, Albert PA0A ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: LF: M2 solar flare > Biggest in 2 years... > > http://spaceweather.com/ > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b62303c232; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:47:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 165B838000072; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf0r-0004kJ-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b62303a52df X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Piotr, Is it possible that Andy is radiating a much stronger ground-wav= e at that distance. I know the paths should be reciprocal, but if the weak= er station ground wave was weaker, swamped in the noise?? Possibly the an= tennas for the others are radiating much more upward and the ground wave= is being attenuated. The addition.subtraction of a ground wave at the sam= e strength as the skywave could add or subtract 6dB (about the difference= in the figures)....I know that the Lowfers in the States see a dead zone= at their low power.....but that as with QRSS not a sophisticated system= like WSPR.=20 A slant range calculation formula is given on my web site. The apparent re= flection height at 136kHz at night was lower of course 90-100km. At extrem= e range the apogee was calculated by raytracing at about 86km (from memory= ) At short range and high angles the signal will penerate further before= being returned. The path calculated this was is in error because the refr= action "shortens" the path over a "mirror reflection" model. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple.htm. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/fading.htm Dont take too much not= ice of the text it is quite old now but the equations work and can be solv= ed at fading nulls. You need two receivers at different distances to resol= ve the ambiguities. An interesting point is that if you can calculate the ground-wave strength= , you can estimate the skywave strength by the depth of the null(which asu= mes they are out of phase of course). I used the thumbnail figure that a watt ERP at 1km generates 300uV/m, for= my calculations. These kind of simple models can be very useful in trying= to understand what is happening and calculating whether any particular pa= th is possible...... and its good fun !! Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski wrote: > From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski > Subject: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 23:06 > Dear Rik, James,LF group >=20 > it is going to be long.... sorry... >=20 > Some time ago Jim, G7NKS began a new topic on this > reflector. it was about a link budget > for wspr at given distance. Recently, Rik, ON7YD has > made a nice thing i.e. comparing reception > levels of three stations using a 'small statistics' - that > is exactly what wspr stands for. > investigations of propagation paths, limits etc... > Being 'triggered' by these two mails and , additionaly, by > a phrase 'mill' used by Rik > which translated into polish sounds very much like my > surname ( Mlynarski) Mlyn=3Dmill :) > I started to think about the estimate of an effective > electric field 'felt' by RX station. > Later, I will use Rik's collected data as numerical > example. Due to the enormous > and variable noise at my qth my reception data > is not appropriate and lacks some stations. > I like to do such 'guesstimates' almost from the scratch, > so let me start > from the 'basics' i.e. classical electrodynamics > which states that in a free space > the power P radiated by an isotropic antenna in a distance > R has its density: > D=3DP/(4*pi*R*R). On the other hand, the mean magnitude of a > Poynting vector (D) can be expressed > by an electric field: D =3D E*E/(2*120*pi) ( 120pi =3D > 377ohm=3Dimpedance of a free space) > Combining these two one gets that the amplitude of an > electric field E equals: > E =3D sqrt(60*P)/R. if R is in [km] then E is expressed in > miliVolts/metr, P is in Watts. > I assume that we are dealing with a short vertical monopole > so following Rik's explanations > ( veeery useful post to the reflector! ) its directivity > gain is 3 but as the power in wspr reports > is given as ERP power so it must be multiplied by a factor > of 1.64 in order to replace > power P (isotropic) in the last formula by ERP*1.64 , where > "ERP" is the reported erp power. Also, > we can multiply E by 0.707 to get the > effective signal strength E(eff): > E(eff) =3D 0.707*sqrt(60*ERP*1.64)/R > I focus ONLY on the ionospheric propagation and 1 > hop. > At the night, the absorption of incoming wave (500kHz) to > the ionosphere is really small so , > at first approximation, can be simply ommited and we are > left now with relatively > simple geometric considearations with further assumption > that the distance between > station a (TX) and station b (RX) is not an earth arc but a > straight line, segment. > {sure, it can be done more precisely taking into account > mean earth radius etc...) > The wave is propagating from TX antenna with an > elevation(take-off) angle alfa, the > reflection takes place in E layer, say, 120 km above > earth (H) and the distance > between stations a and b is "d". At the RX place we are > interested in the vertical > component of incoming reflected wave being doubled by > reflection from the earth > and assumed antenna characteristic is described by a > certain function A(theta) > {theta=3D usual notation of one of the angles in spherical > coordinate system) > In the case of a short vertical monopole: A(theta) =3D > sine(theta) =3D cosine(alfa) > so we have: > E(eff) =3D E(eff)*2*cos(alfa)*cos(alfa) > R in formula for E(eff) becomes: sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) > and cos(alfa) =3D d/sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) >=20 > (in the course of programming it is convenient to multiply > E(eff) by 1000 thus getting > the values in microVolts/m) >=20 > The above final formula gives real values of an effective > signal strength. It is a 'product' > of fundamental physics and simple geometric > considerations. Obviously, there is an ample room for > improvements but as i am not a radio-comm specialist i just > do not know how to make it - > some reflection losses, absorption attenuation which both > seem to be frequency > and (probably) time dependent etc.. > Anyway, here comes 'numerical'side.. > I took Rik's qth as RX station and the values of erp > power as reported in wspr database ( or e-mails) > by the TX stations: > G4JNT: 420 km and 200 miliWatts of ERP pwr > G3ZJO: 411 km 0.2 mW > G3XBM: 337 km 1 mW > H =3D 120 km ( the height of reflection point) (have found in > literature it is 110-120 km on average) > calculated values of E(eff) are: > G4JNT: 9.777 microVolt/m =20 > G3ZJO: 0.311=20 > G3XBM: 0.711 > calculated relative differences of signal strengths: > (first, 'left', stations are favored) > G4JNT-G3XBM: 22.77 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 29.95 dB > G3XBM-G3ZJO: 7.18 dB > Now, the same differences made by Rik (night receptions, > wspr readouts, averages etc..) > G4JNT-G3XBM: 15 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 23 dB > G3XBM-G3ZJO: 8 dB > In the case of Roger,"Water Pistol", G3XBM and Eddie, > "Dripping Tap", G3ZJO > theory and experiment are fairly consistent > if Andy, "Big Gun", G4JNT had run only 40 mW ERP then his > E(eff) would be 4.372 microVolt/m > so then the calculated diferences: > G4JNT-G3XBM: 15.78 dB > G4JNT-G3ZJO: 22.96 dB > (pretty nice matching..) > Final conclusion: "Big Gun" shrinks !=20 > :) >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5c14b4ae3dd216; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b4ae3dd216; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:39:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUFnb-00006V-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUFna-00006M-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:54 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUFnZ-00047j-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:54 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111083847.CEDU17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100111083847.QYJC22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:47 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:38:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B4AE394.31096.4FC469F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=RZhugd5bRANcwUbshbcA:9 a=PtFFXsx2s2MgNiz4F6FqLfz3j-wA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: summer activity? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Conditions are still OK in the summer and there is still LF activity. QRN is the main problem, and is best avoided by operating in the early morning. MIke, G3XDV =========== > Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about the summer? > I haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, how much stronger is > it? Just some db or is a qso in cw or qrss almost impossible? How much > does it affect the groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between > day and night much more than in the winter? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b40d2a23b5; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:23:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA1C9380000AF; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAC-00033N-FZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAB-00033E-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUAA-0000oq-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981547B8048 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BCE31E702 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id B3D9E18056; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from 162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.51.162]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20100103182233.hfsxz2ow00c4kso8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.51.162 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b40d2a009a1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Michael, are you sure about that ? VRZA claims to have distributed licences. I do not know about VERON (mail to PA0SHY gereantes an out of office reply= ). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "M. Sanders" : > To all LF, > > Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet =20 > published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot =20 > the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those =20 > able to understand Dutch language the most recent official =20 > publication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to =20 > have been adequately informed about the process. It is not even =20 > clear if notifications to participate in the experiment by =20 > individual Radio Amateurs have already been processed by the =20 > organisations. > > I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this =20 > reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and =20 > therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of =20 > 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band =20 > without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to =20 > QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by =20 > Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed =20 > indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the =20 > experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date =20 > somewhere in the future will be in order, and not legalising =20 > transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. > > Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, =20 > starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's =20 > from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio =20 > piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and =20 > complimented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes =20 > has the tendency to repeat it self. > > Kind regards, Best 73's, > > Michael Sanders, PC4M > > > > > QUOTE: >> > > Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs > > 23-12-2009 > > Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor =20 > radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken =20 > gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen =20 > onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze =20 > frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC =20 > 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het =20 > onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie =20 > voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport =20 > indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. > > Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een =20 > collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over =20 > de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de =20 > verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De =20 > randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment =20 > zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. > > Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de =20 > verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. =20 > Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in =20 > aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. > > Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 =20 > kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . > > Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit =20 > bekend via deze website. > > < > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary - G4WGT > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz > > Rik, > > Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.20]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-8c334b3f843ade; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:36:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63F6038001F80; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7PQ-0004dv-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:05:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7PQ-0004dm-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:05:00 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7PN-0001oY-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:04:59 +0000 Received: from COL122-W46 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:04:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:51 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: ,<000b01ca8bc8$1172b290$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 17:04:51.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2DC0280:01CA8BCD] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41144b3f7cf30819 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal! I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is very good, "O".= =20 HNY to you! Lubos, OK2BVG ***************** From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Hi Lubos RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here. 73 HNY de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM Subject: LF: RU6LA =20 Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on=20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG,=20 JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal!
I am just watching your QRSS10 signal on 137.697kHz. It is= very good, "O".
HNY to you!

Lubos, OK2BVG

*************= ****

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000
Subje= ct: LF: Re: RU6LA

Hi Lubos
RU6LA O copy here but qrs 10 now and too slow=20 in for QSB, QRS 3 would be better for me. Stil daylight=20 here.
73 HNY de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original= Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Sat= urday, January 02, 2010 3:18=20 PM
Subject:= LF: RU6LA

Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on= =20 137.704kHz. His signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG,= =20 JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pr= o v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_063bd02c-3e33-4a1c-841a-dbf9fe7867c1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b58bb1e3bb; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B2F44380000C7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lY-00074m-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lY-00074d-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3lW-000087-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so485089pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MMYsiEEih5xJ225591Jz0HN/9dSmOp0fq85aw4uHcpY=; b=ScqGBdcNqP6UF1cHJhdPcYL8Cs7FQDwRRNfimAUO/zpSlBBmHpztm1DMJgQNb91QY/ 2q788aDkTwbnK82s4ZO0c9lqG0Zb3YAM5KU7DvhO8wqvuT6qXH7/9KIqOO/8WO/z6EyR 1gi0bcEeeTpzY9kiF68JWfzrZQScb1JFayj24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=riQHs/k/FdS7N/bQhpV7kiZYO6gAIxIIt8HM86RNgDA4t13e/aCHPvuddFnC0fpgB5 uAFpLyElbHCdj5aEFDgSdEXSICT7qoDbYFWsN06RKlEKRDrspJQM+UpqcHwj9FXrm1pI 6EUvPIQP0xmezfa5dAF97wxSDO3ebIOWflKgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.10 with SMTP id g10mr1379651rva.57.1264106182143; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:21 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b6956c4bf0bf43c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211236o19bd76b7gab76a459c0a8e6e2@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b58bb1c174c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for replies from 503.500 kHz to 503.700 kHz. 73, Gay - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each > even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. > > In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A > replies. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > --001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

Calling CQ in WSJT JT4A mode now, looking for repli= es from 503.500 kHz to 503.700 kHz.

73,

Gay - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.
=

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.




--001636b2be3ff1f675047db2a73b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-86ae4b644d68112; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10BE43800019A; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF2q-0002vo-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbF2p-0002vf-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:31 +0000 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbF2n-0001Oh-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:15:31 +0000 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so427972qwf.16 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GH0wGCXa1djcJ7ElL5JoMHJFkXHs+206cV1Tlbi+YJw=; b=c0X8YKDQLhg7W2WYXajjozmWjpzveMOh0bP5zH9LWj+dyhYlQubdbN6xtSkcdCANWE TwYCC1UK7kiSvsF08Bl1qFqoeaBYRRXuc3L0yDdz+7hQT1nIW0hMNwYwiKkqqO0wn2I5 LYfTQJM+3GW29WmH57ZREPGOXg2fBLUKfXmNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KUmqG3XwB6aLrZPibMMjqM5dOLgtvzd64KlacuVxVmPMzYa5jaGlu0YfDdK5cNERtG Q6VQ7Y4ZTHZXgo59m8yjaUcaLcDC7/tdFphhbPevNSsH7gqQeZeRDYSeVTNBbTQanKpK VizyEMEnkijD23HMBY8stEqGqK9kTYNmhCeGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.93.201 with SMTP id w9mr975983qam.191.1264864526474; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5@aol.com> References: <17f9b.57df6766.3894d4e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001300715t59fd564bvc2e2dd7c074c0453@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b644d661cb3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dmitry, Nicolas, Thank you for the reports! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM, wrote: > Dimitry,LF Strong signal here > > F4DTL JN18FP > > IC7400 + Wellbrook LFL1010 > > In a message dated 30/01/2010 00:14:25 Paris, Madrid, ra3yo@mail.ru writes: > > Hi LF > > XGJ visible now in RA3 > > Dmitry > ra3yo From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5f294b3fdcb03d0; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:54:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B538D38000A79; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRDi7-0007XA-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRDi7-0007X1-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRDi5-0000AM-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:48:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 90929 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 23:48:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eaRYQEultCnA8v5yU4dOJBd37Mt+jPvsQPZBywpOwiL2Yh9hH35sD101DL3PdbDOkH8cwzTMkDKZR5+p6cuw/o7qrSBjnw0Y1vmYF6MXOb3fqKD11+Zaz7rs0opIoaX04f6JpXd9UdOHsrkMG2EBKZlwoSbhBPSnn49stmt6Aj0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 23:48:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: kgPyr7oVM1ly2smr09a4PDQchwjw6Px94QeLgJ4I.7iBHWomETFwdFOJ6MVsgw4TDa1Tz.ZAH_iizWkNZhw4xBNcBC1W7QugEBmxG5UVNwtzqGTyKvKV3qvAxz.NxUi3Woa8yU8i3XjlpjQEEuwALekfRWPeubx_.Hbb1Z2ZCMo8lgs6vkA.ARnciAQLg_OFEjTG4UG92gvOaAQn6PmCuI71yGzWHijIuLJhlxMrNrTNjGAJUxIJul81FOjCZG.V_h.tYCKa1opVHphgzlFjrDEKZGGCyYRiJRPUD5nHQHHG6YM2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1160510449@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:48:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: So much acitvity :-) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b3fdbaf5bb8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stefan, LF Group, Thanks to Markus DF6NM and Andrey EW6GB for the QSOs - first time I ha= ve=20 been QRV on 136k for a while. Conditions seemed a bit poor here with= QRN and=20 quite weak signals - only very faint traces of RU6LA and IK1HSS were= =20 visible. I hope to be QRV tomorrow, so perhaps we can QSO then. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) Dear LF, It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for= his=20 fine QSOs! And to M0BMU, IK1HSS, EW6GB and all the other active OMs :-= ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-a5bc4b4a59c474; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:50:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9355938000072; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6bY-0006Xp-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6bY-0006Xe-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6bV-0005Kl-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:52 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so18185034fxm.30 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:49:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d1gUzRrf53qcUGDzRPTj7JCgpl0AQWSD98XxIB2unOI=; b=ucfbq7Szd0nvXpnACXpFSTrPHInw+T+Ifitk781RSo3pX/f117whx64vGGtI5olht+ pYN6nd+TQVFfvpRVwD8tmOAa8SiI2ktLuObZQ7OGs+kfwTrVCOxa6f2X78UuZpm3fwrF msU6PuxhOoF5UXVKtAmXHegIEqGjycnvpFfjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qlxDLVLSvNjYoHjk2XVqPXoBwD5XIpAsQunWfTS2D5of8Hlw0kzbENquHoV1IZ/mzF iIliacObKIx6p9UJC107eznnq56gmTpM+FInhGU3y7xpqKnZZem76erXW6+zZYZxQ3Fs jg3qIRRXt2vdBG+W1yoYcvebTFDPTsYX/kYz4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.77 with SMTP id b13mr1146540hbh.158.1263163782598; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:49:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:49:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,CELL_PHONE_BOOST, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b4a59c20347 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by Shannon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth) WSPR/WSJT are within about 3 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improvement to play with. Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and longer and longer, but there comes a point where the ionospheric path just won't support the signalling any more And that's it. All that's left is more EIRP, directional Rx antennas, noise cancellation and... For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of : "Communication in the Presence of Noise", CE Shannon, Proc. IRE (now IEEE) January 1949 which is the seminal paper that sets the -1.64dB S/N limit --- and --- "Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" , JP Costas, Proc IRE, December 1959 which spells it all out in a delightfully readable way Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 - 6dB better than the best humans ops. As shown, coding *could* further improve things by another couple of dB. So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF. ? That's *real Amateur Radio* as far as I'm concerned. Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or looking for lines of different coloured dots Andy www.g4jnt.com > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with > even much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so > good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > --001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is an absolute limit to signalling efficiency, determined by Sh= annon in 1948 of -1.64dB S/N (normalised bandwidth)=A0=A0 WSPR/WSJT are wi= thin about=A03 - 4dB of the limit, so we'll only ever get this improve= ment to play with.=A0=A0 Of course, we can go narrower and narrower and lo= nger and longer,=A0but there comes a point where the ionospheric path just= won't support the signalling any more
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And that's it.=A0=A0All that's left is more EIRP, directional= Rx antennas, noise cancellation and...
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For the signal in noise story, see if you can find a copies of :
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"Communication in the Presence of Noise", =A0CE Shannon,=A0= Proc. =A0IRE=A0=A0(now IEEE)=A0 =A0January 1949=A0
which is the seminal paper that=A0sets the=A0 -1.64dB S/N limit
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"Poisson, Shannon and the Radio Amateur" ,=A0 JP Costas, Pr= oc IRE, December 1959=A0=A0 which spells it all out in a delightfully read= able way
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Most human modes, morse and QRSS, and Hell all come out at a roughly= similar normalised S/N, and machine modes, at the moment roughly 4 - 6dB= better than the best humans ops.=A0=A0 As shown, coding=A0could fu= rther improve things by another couple of dB.
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So who's going to be the first with MFSK Turbo coding on LF.=A0= ?
That's real Amateur Radio as far as I'm conc= erned.=A0 Not faffing about struggling to dig tones out of noise or lookin= g for lines of different coloured dots
What will happen if in 2 years= the next software will be available with even much better error correctio= n and so on? What, if this software is so good that a QSO to VK will be po= ssible?

--001485f778a88e1224047cd73c16-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-b944b4cf5c5309; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:21:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD086-b944b4cf5c5309; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:20:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUp5R-000293-RH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUp5R-00028u-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUp5P-0001ec-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CMJcr6032104 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:38 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A98@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A98@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Thread-Index: AcqTzenv43+hCsWeQ6eyI4E0VbWYogABn7Rp References: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.672;12.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.220920 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA93D5.521FAC01" Subject: AW: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA93D5.521FAC01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GE,=20 =20 ...but it will increase the PD inception level due to the high epsilon r= and so you can run more power (voltage) ;-) You should use this advantage= ;-). But be aware that the increased current does not melt the ice ;-)=20 So power should be a function of the outside temperature which could be re= gulated with a temperature sensor that is controlling the duty cycle of th= e input signal or the DC-voltage of the PA by a class h modulator ;-) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 22:18 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Pete, =20 The ice will be pure water and may not conduct .. will have some cap= acity implications though ! =20 G ..=20 From: M0FMT =20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Hi LF Group=20 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness.=20 With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method.= =20 Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in curr= ent.=20 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . 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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the same= picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acc= epted the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you will get a decode soon ?=20 tnx G=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ??=20 download link :-=20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Lubos .... well at this  speed = , will still=20 be  sending the  same  picture when im going  to&n= bsp; work=20 hihi .. I didn't  realise how  small the  size needs&nb= sp; to be=20 .. I just  reduced it until the  software  accepted the=  =20 file  .. signal is  starting to  show in Holland .. so= may be=20 you  will get a  decode  soon ?
 
tnx G

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may= be=20 later.
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c= o.uk
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503= Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  de= code =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CA9D35.BBA8A660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB024-86964b51cf213c2; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:37:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EED6380000F3; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NW9kj-0001pf-Or for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NW9kj-0001pW-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NW9kg-0003NJ-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:49 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1006304fxm.4 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=u6ZOwMcY/Ltt4SpYOP5rvif5jm/0qpLMhW9Nk6jPXso=; b=ClDKdqRaeoJWDSpMqMU6xrWDX1K5MAd9gf+LDo4eZhO7ZaVN7CtI1pEzDq5EVa+JDl rJFohnceC+6TZf8JQZJpW/jUohVL9t7UjGwp2MFJTXBxMAUsQqsmQasHsnzwoGQYaze7 uiG8Finxg9CCJ/qRIoe4gzsiu9/ibYvhBrjGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Unl2q6b04X3lFzzDs4PqAkyVUg+mAiIJaFhQoc+8mIQxD1GukgE3WjtTiHq1MtJ8wD VYIw3w/OjWnKLaoskjyOFeIJWTxS2F4RIpK3KP+eYXCmjVxeQtH8pRsioCOHO7iSjVRy 7EKIm++O2yQnQFPx+YrTuHCge/g1wO65At/p4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.5 with SMTP id g5mr371713hbi.3.1263652539753; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:35:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR and antenna tweaking Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636499e21c06593047d490813 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b51cf1f763e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636499e21c06593047d490813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I noticed the current draw on my 500kHz beacon transmission had dropped this morning, so dragged a scope into the shed and looked at the relative phase of voltage and current to the antenna. The two waveforms appeared to be about 50 - 60 degrees out so the weather over the last few weeks had shifted the tuning point of the antenna - or maybe its because everthing is just so wet now, or the variometer got knocked, or whatever. Anyway. A quick tweak of the loading coil and V and I were coindident again, with a better current draw. This happened at 1050z Checking the WSPR database, reports from the two regular local contributors M0BMU and M0LMH showed a remarkably consistent average increase of 2dB after the adjustment. Reports from further afield had too much measurement noise to see the effect properly, but did show some signs of a similar increase. Interestingly, the 60 degree phase difference 'ought' to have resulted in a 6dB reduction in antenna current [COS(60)] and the DC draw was certainly around 70% of what it should be - and that includes all the static current consuming stages of the PA as well, so I'm just wondering why the signal did not change pro-rata. Andy www.g4jnt.com --001636499e21c06593047d490813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed the current draw on my 500kHz beacon transmission had dropp= ed this morning, so dragged a scope into the shed and looked at the relati= ve phase of voltage and current to the antenna.=A0 The two waveforms appea= red to be about 50 - 60 degrees out so the weather over the last few weeks= had shifted the tuning point of the antenna - or maybe its because everth= ing is just so wet now, or the variometer got knocked, or whatever.
Anyway.
A quick tweak=A0of the loading coil and=A0=A0V and I were coindident= again, with a better current draw. This happened at 1050z
=A0
Checking the WSPR database, reports from the two regular local contri= butors=A0 M0BMU and M0LMH showed a remarkably consistent average increase= of 2dB after the adjustment.=A0=A0 Reports from further afield had too mu= ch measurement noise to see the effect properly,=A0but did show some signs= of a similar increase.
=A0
Interestingly, the 60 degree phase difference 'ought' to have= resulted=A0in a 6dB reduction in antenna current=A0=A0 [COS(60)]=A0 and= the DC=A0draw was certainly around 70% of what it should be - and that in= cludes all the static current consuming=A0stages of the PA =A0as well, so= I'm just wondering why the signal did not change pro-rata.
--001636499e21c06593047d490813-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b58a974271; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:22:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C0B2B38000073; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2as-0006gs-QM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2as-0006gj-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2ap-0008GJ-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so551738fgg.10 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DxMelMT7txPdfExm7yCs1t2KBfXs3eJ9OtO28rS5qCM=; b=EjtPz2gF1W9r0bA5qDKkvYnYi/DN03ivENoPH45ukTGYl4Pckc1N0mJimEVc+vj5Qa CAHGZrHMaAenxVgMQ9DQ4E7jfNfCE/q5QG0XeQyShG20DcE/uMyXNwekM0H94Jr0Wbaj po8fvx6zvPhzQPSFcC2AId2giQ7YISJmsQF9k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KHoEbTviMnmym53E5LiLhvuIHLkUZRlMUw3aaeLFFW7UFZyHQE5ILxEhB26h1+QuJH c/7GwH5n6d1wesEyYeIC1IKS4mVvEi9cOmY6T4R1UAqM1qEUTJSS8eVcM8Q/78Su8iJH mBhJ35nfS/oLqvCBci+2Fhqb+Qvo8593RRd3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.137 with SMTP id t9mr222511hbh.176.1264101681346; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94b58a9724366 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The type of ground locally probably enters into the propagation equation without influence on the ERP figure, and may be enhancing my signals a dB or so. For example, I am on quite good conductive heavy clay, and there is a lot of it in the area. I've sunk something like 15 x 1 to 2m long copper tubes and rods into it all round the small gargen, and cros slinked them in a completely random way in lieu of being able to put out any worthwhile radials. This may have (quite inadvertently) been a *good thing.* Back in the 73kHz days, several stations were surprised just how good a signal was getting out from my antenna, quite significantly smaller than those of just about every other operator on that band. Down on 73k, measuring efficiency in the same way as the ratio of Rrad to Rload, I estimated -48 to -50dB gain giving 1mW ERP from 100 W. This seemed to stack-up with received signal stregths and the more predictable propagation loss estimates down on those frequencies. Mind you, the local vegetation and trees by the antenna have grown since then, but I strongly suspect the resulting near-field lossey capacitance is absorbed into the loss resistance, so more-or-less correctly appears in the efficiency calculation without having to be added in as a frig-factor. Anyway, won't this component have less contribution at 7 times the frequency? The most surprising finding back then was how much the loss resistance increased when it rained - when one would have expected a decrease in wet conditions. Once the lossy near-field termination effect was realised, it all made sense. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn > Dear Jim, > > Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder > if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent > ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've > some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie > and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. > > Would much appreciate this. Thanks > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The type of ground locally=A0probably enters into the propagation equ= ation without influence on the ERP figure, and may be enhancing my signals= a dB or so.=A0=A0 For example,=A0I am on quite good conductive heavy clay= , and there is a lot of it in the area.=A0=A0=A0 I've sunk something= like 15 x 1 to 2m long copper tubes and rods into it all round the small= =A0gargen, and cros slinked them in a completely random way=A0=A0in lieu= of being able to put out=A0any worthwhile radials.=A0 This may have (quit= e inadvertently) been a good thing.
=A0
Back in the 73kHz days, several stations were surprised just how good= a signal was getting out from=A0my=A0antenna, =A0quite significantly smal= ler than those of just about every other operator on that band.=A0=A0 Down= on 73k, measuring efficiency=A0in the same way as the ratio of Rrad to Rl= oad, I estimated -48 to -50dB gain giving 1mW ERP from 100 W.=A0=A0 This= seemed to stack-up with received signal stregths and the more predictable= propagation loss estimates down on those frequencies.
=A0
Mind you, the local vegetation and trees by the antenna=A0have grown= since then, but I strongly suspect the resulting near-field lossey capaci= tance is absorbed into the loss resistance, so=A0more-or-less correctly ap= pears in the efficiency calculation without having to be added in as a fri= g-factor.=A0 Anyway, won't this component have less contribution at=A0= 7 times the frequency?
The most surprising finding back then was how much the loss resistanc= e increased when it rained - when one would have expected a decrease in we= t conditions.=A0=A0 Once the lossy near-field termination effect was reali= sed, it all=A0made sense.


This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the= health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardou= s to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions=


2010/1/21 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
Dear Jim,

Following the= discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could= use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent ERP levels= for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've= some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Edd= ie and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in betwee= n.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
<= a href=3D"http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G110= 88

--001485f45096ad3bd0047db19b3c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD083-8b924b5cb42c1a3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 37C6238000134; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9VI-0001cy-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9VH-0001cp-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:15 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9VF-0002d6-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEFACdDXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIJ8tVhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="312038921" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 20:56:06 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <003801ca9d37$a5b75ca0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20100124214445.ajj23cvao04k80s0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b5cb42b6b08 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Rik Nice to know you could read the QRSS, the QSB is no surprise with the QRP is it. Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 24 January 2010 20:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hello Eddie, the signal is up and down in the QSB, but I had several complete copies of your call is FSK. With some patience a QSO would be possible. Just let men know when you want to try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was > falling. I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy > I can go to QRSS3. In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be > manually key-able I shall have to sort that one out. If only to please > Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > >> Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your >> grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the >> period of the screenshot. >> >> I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen >> it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK >> Grabbers. >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT >> Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi Eddie, >> >> I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what >> appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo >> which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/24 g3zjo > >> Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the >> MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. >> >> Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I >> will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. >> >> 73 >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ep > .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave >> G3WCB >> Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi, Eddie. >> >> Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is >> about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a >> Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth >> >> By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which >> contains elements of both modes! >> >> (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop >> the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With >> Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark >> and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ep > .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of >> g3zjo >> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 >> To: >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; >> GQRP@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi >> All >> >> I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. >> Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- >> >> Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the >> standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my >> signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will >> run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can >> spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. >> >> Frequency 503.22KHz >> >> Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse >> >> Power 500mW at 50 Ohms >> >> Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts >> >> Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical >> >> ERP >1mWatt >> >> >> >> Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/24/10 07:33:00 >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b60b56f3e3; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A4A6D38000157; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFmp-0005xt-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFmo-0005xj-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:54 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFmm-0007E1-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:54 +0000 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so11915fxm.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oUk7hfzM+DcG7jnPdw9XimND3rgLXLw0bEtI7pjSg1o=; b=mXABTzy0ZRNjaJ9m7HkgoE7no+njaYp8g/KattZ0eq+W0Z5et9eRzzK9OQQfGSCBtM 33lq73KtdsVnoZYKngt8iIQ1Cx8BvfZMZ1E87ns6WYwYWbxN52f5gk2qin8h3Z4hm9mI qtJTJpYqs9SS39J3AuNA1VP3kJxxRFhoNWKfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QLRg5v0L/I10SjjkWyy9Gic3hk3xkFi9pMriwJTJTKaLFlcDFELSyR/B7vbYnT9ESK v8EhgKyOB5ExgUY+5yN+oC/XxpLUxWAMP5GeQ2s+NYY9aDfvvYDvmnkkotyNDV/HFygd eFzH752pnmnJRDL8tVheTWIlwSwhpkgZ9bNgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.136 with SMTP id j8mr1170593hbi.105.1264629046706; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f631121a0351047e2c655b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b60b56c2824 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f631121a0351047e2c655b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit. Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any difference to decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR band) signals. (But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energy in= the two outside ones). Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/27 Clemens Paul > This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list > members. > I have made the same observations. > Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz results in > an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! > I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've found out > that the *real* SNR > is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signal whic= h > was just below > the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW eithe= r. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports > > All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.4= 6Hz > noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. > > Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most > likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed > non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and > upsets sync recovery. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to healt= h, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > >> Andy, >> >> maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). >> If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get >> a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. >> Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed= to >> get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [ >> andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 >> *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR Reports >> >> Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a >> just a case of being in a very quiet location... >> These are pretty impressive S/N values >> >> >> 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 >> F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 >> 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 >> 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI >> JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 >> IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 >> G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 42= 2 >> 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 >> 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT >> 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243= 2010-01-27 >> 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI >> JN19qb 502 312 >> >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> > ------------------------------ > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.733 / Virendatenbank: 271.1.1/2649 - Ausgabedatum: 01/27/10 > 14:08:00 > > --001485f631121a0351047e2c655b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, as Paul suggests, it does look as if AGC is the culprit.=A0=A0= Narrowing the Rx bandwidth right down to 7Hz won't make any differenc= e to decoding ability provided there is no AGC pumping from out of (WSPR= band) signals.=A0=A0=A0
=A0
(But any bandwidth selected below 7Hz will then knock out tone energy= in the two outside ones).
2010/1/27 Clemens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
This phenomen,or rather bug,has been= reported here by several list members.
I have made the same observations.
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to= something below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of up= to around 15dB!
I've done some tests with a frien= d 20km away on 10m and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other wor= ds an extreme weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW co= udn't be decoded with 20Hz BW either.
=A0
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010= 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
=A0
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.=A0=A0= Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by= pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection proces= s, and upsets sync recovery.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
=A0
maybe=A0the "magic&= quot; lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a=A0significant increase in= SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlem= ail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
=A0
=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:14=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+13=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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=A02010-01-27 20:02=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:00=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G7NKS=A0 =A00.503920=A0 =A0-5=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO92ub=A0 =A0+20=A0 =A00.100=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0422=A0 =A0262=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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=A02010-01-27 19:40=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b4b0527753a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA92AD.51AB1D59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,=20 Yes, this was a clear example. Those who are building their station themse= lve are rather the true amateurs, of course. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b40ce7e61b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal and LF =A0 I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the 501-504= apart from the PA station.=A0And=A0I am sure they were all fully licenced= station within their own respective territories. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton wrote: From: mal hamilton Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty over XMA= S and NEW YEAR IE MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others.=A0Are these legal or otherwise? g3kev =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF =A0 I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warned abo= ut (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him although the= re were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report not= sure how it would affect our licence to use the band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, =A0 Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet published= the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band=A0tot the Dutch Amat= eur Radio organisations VERON and / or=A0VRZA.=A0For those able to underst= and Dutch language the most recent official publication is quoted below.= =A0However=A0not all=A0their memebers seem to=A0have been=A0adequately inf= ormed=A0about the process. It is not even=A0clear if=A0notifications=A0to= participate=A0in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs=A0have alrea= dy=A0been processed by the organisations. =A0 I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector=A0t= hat the transmissions like the one=A0recorded below=A0and and therfore=A0Q= SO's with PA stations=A0may still=A0be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy= '=A0by the=A0PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offici= al permission.=A0It looks like it is not 'legal'=A0yet=A0to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authori= ties and=A0VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writ= ing=A0about their participation to the experiments=A0transmitting on 600m.= I suppose a starting date somewhere=A0in the future=A0will be=A0in=A0orde= r, and not legalising transmissions=A0'after the fact'=A0as of 1-1-2010 0:= 00LET.=A0 =A0 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in= the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Rad= io Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and=A0= the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=A0his innovative=A0ach= ievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it self. =A0 Kind regards, Best 73's, =A0 Michael Sanders, PC4M =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUOTE: >> =A0 Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=A0 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VER= ON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van= het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden di= e voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten va= n het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie= voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indie= nen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectiev= e experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van= de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog ove= rleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aa= nvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en= VRZA besproken.=A0 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen= verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen indivi= duele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor= eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=A0 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zul= len door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via= deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T =20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal and LF
 
I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the 50= 1-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fully licenced station within their own respective territories.<= /DIV>

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sun, 3/1/10, mal= hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35

WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A,= what about all the acty over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE
MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others.&nb= sp;Are these legal or otherwise?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:11= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz /= legal or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've been warne= d about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one called him althoug= h there were several on the band. Not a good idea to give Pirates a report= not sure how it would affect our licence to use the band?

73 es GL= petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>= ; wrote:

From: M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Su= bject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13=

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch Tel= ecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /= or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the most= recent official publication is quoted below. However not all&nb= sp;their memebers seem to have been adequately informed abo= ut the process. It is not even clear if notifications to pa= rticipate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have al= ready been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF interest= ed parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the one&nbs= p;recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations ma= y still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA= stations, transmitting on an frequency band without official permission.&= nbsp;It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m= unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writi= ng about their participation to the experiments transmitting on= 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be=  in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'il= legal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'ra= dio piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complim= ented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has= the tendency to repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor= radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendama= teurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toega= ng tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorw= aarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resu= ltaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidings= commissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapp= ort indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen= de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentscha= p Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning= voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken= . De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn= inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de experi= menteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering= van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren= hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experi= ment. 
=
Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zi= jn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

 =20

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT=
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13= PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz= with very good signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



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=20 --0-1592280444-1262538286=:2377-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.147]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b60b6e422a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:57:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5E83A380001D6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFsk-0006Se-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFsj-0006SU-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:01 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFsh-0007Qy-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:57:01 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so153972fga.10 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BiHQh72lv4FRaHAGQ1URiW/uPZCYwiRG5j/48o8xDL4=; b=pnooeQQr0zIZvmnzjyNRnkpoZLr1X5pQeqtvKfdu51DQqJjzS7T5yngpkzCxyZpTFJ UMSF8IystZR5g4TpnmyBWm9y/0fErU5V8NaFzIX5swFLY7gvBn0wgySg8GLJjJGcIdL4 TFW0UD4A9MLS8e51iifXNx/pFfAMiKl1Sk0RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vY+HDj7rnyT5fGjnPPD6xp80dnWs4JGjc3oahLI9WorLkLXLsTSfu23xEa1hxyRYCQ TJt9pTZLnaTslIAmUC8fQwzN0ox5+rlLgDL56enfFcA/ImBkOQ8vGzb4zCZsG5hFHtRQ nFD/QE/IHGKfN+OD846H5cJJyXA/0rPRWN8AA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.150.4 with SMTP id l4mr1095126hbb.6.1264629418177; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:56:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60934b60b6e146ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite recently. How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. > Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would > provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. > Impressive. > I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W > PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot > use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > > Rik, & Andy, > > Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. > > Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the > text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. > > If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short > period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so > in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. > > Let me know. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > >> -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe >> >> Gary, >>> >>> solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. >>> But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. >>> Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ >>> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ >>> g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] >>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 >>> *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group >>> *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A >>> >>> LF, >>> >>> Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. >>> >>> 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo >>> >> >> > --001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental driv= e signals quite recently.=A0=A0
=A0
How about a frequency doubler?=A0=A0=A0 The output doesn't have= to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop.=A0=A0 And=A0s= imple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us= time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted= in phase from the 500kHz drive signal.=A0 Then apply this one,=A0=A0along= with the original to a two input=A0XOR gate whose output will then consis= ts of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave= drive.
=A0

Andy
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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Gary,<= /font>
=A0
the SNR values over the= last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy= and 0.5W occasional copy.
Impressive.
I=A0should get QRV on JT= 4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA,=A0and= my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use= that with my HF/500kHz transverter.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,=20

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik= 9;s query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sho= rt period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the momen= t so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe= @fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Gary,<= /font>
=A0
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
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--001485f630d03e3783047e2c7b03-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.133]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5efc4b4241e6267; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:30:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D7613807C2C5; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrNo-0000uO-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrNo-0000uF-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRrNm-0003zS-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 25983 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 18:10:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lxs9oeYNEsRO2JE8r4L7mZ6frYkPLJX96Ho8AbFioWX0z7TwM/Tg27SNcHa9MPNbi2wieDX5tkRyg0810hnB6M/L0yBpAbBDiKWzfOHiMgQqpRmtsBVtKQEjPV3OCwyd6xKhY3Vww5BhjY523zDrW7/+kRkisfTc9QFjO/DSNz0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 18:10:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: Km1RavcVM1lMPAsP9zuM15xzxEfnT4Am9_mP2Pho81igny9TiWokHi5EjlzZauYgYc2qMIm2xjOi7TfJT5yveu2Lj7vkPv9iJiBs0nAJg5TUvqWcTLqnntL5F4uRx8xqGN5wooxmaG3AVGujuX7gsDAEwOS0BnFIjobwj4FJG5w50wDLpC__oNnYMQfh9dY8Oz_MACeZU6wGYOIhMtKWhWz55lpL6WXadM5FRrYcUE.FGLaspdZKzWjEwZpGz4IXOYFkbd0x0nEDMNw.YYKcTcuebhmT.gaAWMYDyE.W9Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:10:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854b422f4f571a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Horst, I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hard= ly a=20 problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time= beats=20 me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not= be on=20 this site? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Horst St=F6cker" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for= =20 example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other=20 "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is wo= rse=20 not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Tha= ts=20 part of the game . . . Horst .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Callsigns >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save > time). > > Chris, G4AYT. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI043-eac44b5b613bb0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:51:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51BF5380000AC; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmvk-00086h-0T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmvj-00086Y-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmvf-0005fL-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:50:02 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAE7vWktOlECv/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx2WEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="289388698" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.64.175]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:49:47 +0000 Message-ID: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b5b613903ce X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also mentioned QRS which you conveniently forgot about. Why would I= struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CA9C6D.96E2E160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also mentioned QRS which you conven= iently forgot=20 about. Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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Kt= er=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b98d5694-2630-422d-9aac-15cc595ab1b0_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b5c86282b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:40:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBCB0380000B0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6RJ-0007hg-30 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6RI-0007hX-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6RG-0000zT-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4GAI0UXEtOllUg/2dsb2JhbACIKMwZhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,335,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="281147244" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 17:39:48 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000401ca9d1c$39954750$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <003901ca9d1a$92b4bf70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b5c8626409f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK Mal thanks, that will be something for another day. At present I have no on off keying. I can only dream of antennas like yours :-) 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 January 2010 17:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Eddie Let me know if u need a report on qrs or cw. I can hear and work all the other Micro Watt merchants. My 40m loop is E/W but I can use the inv L if needed to hear u. I must get a NS loop installed in case I am missing something de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > > > Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your > > grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the > > period of the screenshot. > > > > I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen > > it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK > > Grabbers. > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi Eddie, > > > > I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what > > appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc > > IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at > > 1245utc. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/24 g3zjo > > > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the > > MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I > > will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > > > Eddie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave > > G3WCB > > Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is > > about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a > > Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which > > contains elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and > > drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. > > With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on > > mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of > > g3zjo > > Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 > > To: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; > > GQRP@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. > > Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my > > signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the > > same time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > > > Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/22/10 19:33:00 > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: > > 01/24/10 07:33:00 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5ef04b64abbc15; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0FE87380000B5; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbLKH-0004lE-PM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbLKH-0004l5-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbLKF-0003jq-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100130215750.PZWJ10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.9.169.68]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100130215750.NWKK13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4B64AB5B.7050301@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:57:47 +0000 From: David Towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=qFA1JKLKiuAA:10 a=i24cnCgLAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=spfw7PUuAAAA:8 a=3zoUjesobLBsveQ85yMA:9 a=zYRcvukhFfvFQKDE3No570ZNogUA:4 a=9orkcghtDVwA:10 a=l7a6iXsAz5sA:10 a=VoFPz64Ki7sA:10 a=seZDVIl-t4sA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=lEO2OnjchrZcWJ1u:21 a=xPdtgaQ8mK4uiLnc:21 a=UBi0vMDEN1yFrZXsJ1MA:9 a=4Pg-gE6ylnVmhFutzxYA:7 a=93x2DvO4HslgSX6Xz3pZQm7-TcsA:4 a=P8Yd0INUp77CPDZ1:21 a=B_a75ZILVbhzGZBc:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203030602030707050607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b64abba475a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020203030602030707050607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22=20 that can be ordered=20 e.g. at cunz electronis distributor. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if= =20 just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable=20 there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he=20 even would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a=20 bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in=20 English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me=20 the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the=20 success. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable=20 would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 --------------020203030602030707050607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statements and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable.

The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he even would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me very much.

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst Stöcker
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals

...

What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

___________________________________________________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

http://produkte.web.de/go/02/

 

 

--------------020203030602030707050607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC084-a98e4b4ceb393dc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66EEE3800018F; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoOC-0001sQ-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUoOC-0001sH-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUoOA-0001Le-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:00 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 586EA700008F for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BBE07000097 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.7.57]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0592E700008F for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:34:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100112213453229.0592E700008F@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6B4084BD5301434698A5AB201CD4999E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:34:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4ceb363b4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Klaus ,=20 Well yes for me I have no problem , my cw rx is not as good as = tx hi but its ok and data is just as much fun as well ..... the pro= blem is when you have spent all your life operating a radio as you= career .. and now it is only a hobby .. you see the 'evil data'= as the devils device that put you out of a job ...the same with= sail boats, steam trains and old motor vehicles... full of expe= rts .. .. for me .. well my job is to think of new , commission= and modify so for me no difference tapping plastic keys (like= now) or brass ones now and then=20 73 - G .=20 From: kkorn42@aol.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:46 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Hi dr Graham, well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any longe= r. Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice"= are good words.=20 I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant! I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy interest= ed in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop. The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, whe= n none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will= be there to fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about= frequ. allocations for a freak-community whose members think, that th= ey have to cross the ocean on foot. 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Klaus ,
 
Well  yes = for me I have no=20 problem , my  cw rx is not as  good  as  tx hi but= its ok=20 and data is just as much fun as well .....  the  problem is= when=20 you  have  spent all your  life operating  a radio= as=20 you  career .. and  now it is only a  hobby .. you = ;=20 see  the  'evil data' as the  devils device that put&nb= sp;=20 you  out of a job ...the  same with  sail boats, steam= =20 trains  and old  motor vehicles...  full  of&= nbsp;=20 experts ..  .. for  me .. well  my  job is=20 to think of  new , commission and  modify=20    so  for  me  no difference tapping pl= astic keys=20 (like now)  or brass ones now and then
 
73 - G .
 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Hi dr Graham,
well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any= =20 longer.
Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justi= ce" are=20 good words.
I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant!
I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also= vy=20 interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop.
 
The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future= , when=20 none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will= be there to=20 fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. alloca= tions for=20 a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the oce= an on=20 foot.
 
73
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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CA93CF.0D59C220-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.203]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-a26e4b65b7df1d8; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CCFA38000096; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbdBA-0008TG-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbdBA-0008T7-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbdB8-0000Ti-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:44 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so8346187pxi.30 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:01:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fid71Jn1SwABhVyOM7mXmeLMQJy75pPRlSut22/NVk8=; b=BFw6Mkdko/2qrbQR8P5HQDG1lnQbrHHWRsMKi7k1bFmSYTLMe2nBOLkTzomMOptdD1 CLmaqrY+2iqEfERS1s93nOGegnvBXJQEF+wutJ9z31HnWUKCHJbp2qdWxu/wcLbnOOqs ZxCuq3khYEuxCc/9bWGvVys4tcSOlIAsOb5h8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=upnXBnsQcZZC88YrcATXdeTS3zTL09qBrO+N8ZBcFEOdVdE4WiCb+on4cHauZ3kcB4 5jAygV4OhvOOxkq9GAy3i3ApFPsOCBxTNSRkNy9IozkKI5VDgY3Pmyj2XpdmhohJguqZ QGVPwR2Tjh6RV45filc7HbOWrDdi2uR95pcmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.18 with SMTP id g18mr2381539rva.260.1264957293710; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:01:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:33 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a5b9ae171d11f72d Message-ID: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4b65b7dd5789 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be 1000 Hz. Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any replies/calls in that mode. The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will vary. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPS= K08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600= kHz USB.

I will be using SpecLab Digital Termina= l, the Tx & Rx offset will be 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (da= re I say it) any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be= operated in manually so times between Tx will vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


--001636b2b03025cf2e047e78d247-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.22]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b5b160012f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:30:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A0A833800012C; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhvC-00064o-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYhvC-00064f-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYhv9-00044O-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:10 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3229231pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:28:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jPmI0Agax+i4Q+one5EtXK1yAuwdk966PJvmr3YQG5s=; b=p61dXmffAKzLrsCelOUikP7aUQBOG4ta47ufhjht4X2xRCHXAId5SSreUEbmj21RRI 3tSFHuecjYRgvRAoYxfWwX9UxTDuETvI2O1IUVUT/Cuj4O164ME597g+4eglLACB4LKt Pruy1DNncUXoFNxNlmXEqSFozAeycY5VjJUEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vH7hf4qYMDq/Ontmz5TvWdPBv8vGw+8YRCemVcd3fNNAZkCwwEkZUH2ZdZkqPAOfq5 LwBXQAMAS9UQEZYF+dN+smIH11lTa/0xXr7gbpachXjsx1MmcyIVOfiBdC6kY+pYpMfW VMYX6/gwapzXQ2SetBrqa1CR+v91rgaxKvzds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr3019687rvl.250.1264260537243; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:28:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:28:57 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e861d01b4226357f Message-ID: <1f0624b91001230728l3ea0c2ffqa0e2913b3d45cca2@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164b5b15fe0b1f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Roger, As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide to JT65A" amongst many others at the following site :- http://www.pe2pe.eu/wsjt_manuals.htm I found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The author Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written it for other Bozo's. 73, Gary - G4WGT On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Thanks for this help Andy. > > I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but > could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If > JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to > people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some > more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I > am sure there will be others who would value this too. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one >> of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >> get it going is in there. >> >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >> >> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >> wide and seems less user friendly. >> >> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >> signal still had discrete tone energy). >> >> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 >> and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now >> GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >> >> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >> be lost for the duration? >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>> >>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger,

As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a= good "Bozo's Guide to JT65A" amongst many others at the fol= lowing site :-


I= found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The= author Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo"= has written it for other Bozo's.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT


On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>= wrote:
Thanks for this help Andy.

I'= d not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could= you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A= looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people= like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some mor= e and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I= am sure there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <an= dy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on th= e WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help file= s. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to recei= ve in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

--
=
http://g3xbm-= qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.bl= ogspot.com/
ht= tp://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--000e0cd13a0a39d9c0047dd6982b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5efe4b4f11383b0; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:42:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD9373800008B; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVP0T-0007xb-OH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVP0T-0007xS-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVP0R-0002V3-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:57 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAPGfTktZ8bgK/2dsb2JhbACNZAbIc4QwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="287738537" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([89.241.184.10]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 12:40:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:40:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4f113636f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gary Have you checked the REU list for your signal? http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there ar= e a good number of unid NDBs in that area.=20 Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Hi Roman, LF, I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at= about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At= times there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz hi= gher which looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my li= sts for an NDB on that frequency.=20 I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz= either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as= the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne= who may be interested. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB Hi LF! What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg -- Roman RW3ADB. ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Gary
 
Have you checked the REU list for your signal?
 
 
If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that the= re are a=20 good number of unid NDBs in that area.
 
Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF:498.8

Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fad= es in at=20 about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning= . At times=20 there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher= which=20 looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my= lists for=20 an NDB on that frequency. 

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency &= a few kHz=20 either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as= the HF=20 side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who= may be=20 interested.

73,  Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <= rw3adb@rambler.ru>

Hi LF!
= What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT=20 grabber around 498.8 kHz?
http://rw3= adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg
http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jp= g

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Roman=20 RW3ADB.


------=_NextPart_000_0210_01CA9516.CAA48840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5ac4b4b330c137; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:18:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG027-5ac4b4b330c137; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:17:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL4F-0001ux-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUL4F-0001uo-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUL4C-0006Rv-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from opc1 (unknown [192.168.1.203]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7363B452 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:16:23 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> In-Reply-To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:36:32 +0000 David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, John P-G > wrote ... > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > Licence: > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > conducting technical investigations.... Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio frequencies. Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time to undertake this "self-training"? If I decide to spend some time studying how "radio communications" might be affected by variations in propagation conditions then why shouldn't I collaborate with other like minded operators and pool our resources and results. If at another time I decide to study how "radio communications" might be affected by different receiving system architectures why should I have to rely on "2-way real time message passing" to quantify my results if I can obtain (to me) more useful and interesting results in another way. Perhaps another open-minded experimenter is willing to generate some signals for me to study? Perhaps a widely spaced group of them would be willing to participate? Perhaps later the other operator might want to follow his own investigation into transmitting antenna design, and I might act as a remote measurement facility. The knowledge gained into "radio communication" is personal to each operator - you might get nothing from my own recent investigations into "remote HF station control and operation over the internet", and I might get nothing from your chat with someone on 80m CW, or your 599TU report from Aruba on 40m in a contest. If you gain some new insight into an aspect "radio communication" having 2-way, real-time communications - then great, no-one is stopping you. If I gain some insight into an area of "radio communication" from a system like WSPR - then to me that's also "self-training in radio communication". Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of "self-training in radio communication". Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-8baf4b65f10e301; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2031D38000289; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgzW-0000Wx-Rf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgzW-0000Wo-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbgzU-0002Gl-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:58 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so8762723pxi.30 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GZsz0JpdWqlFZVQGXNihQWrTi8PNtheyW6E2Wm3kCGY=; b=wDXpemaH5T5RVUb5pauWJmBJi3lriHmITRD9fcgi5M0UIFIK5qegx70r907uk5Iewa KZFDUqLXPr+ADolnKjZ5Sig3yYQsT5NAm5eJN+6anDlTGOC2h2rrpbPSM8+ZgABuxYif KJvzyDYh/FfgXI9WgYG7+UnAPIVnujkmpZS2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WKdmR3Y0Ex+P1BXhZyDb42VQdt2Y+2BVYWNHkOEUIuMNEAUX2GScOtpaL5VNuy1Mxc doaqUm3gtiTdb7Q0S1rBTblaQ3gIYI+a/JXpzHJoC9jJ96AObSh4DKVkZbctIxtMK4bW ckPq0yr//VtlhUPIbNhZ6IM1U5xQeR4ohH4wA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr2538801rvi.58.1264971948454; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:48 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b9cc47f2a2a277e4 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001311305y1abd7a75ua2bd3ca0355d2aea@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b65f10c16e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, Thank you for your decode via the Twente Web SDR. It is almost 100% with just the word transmission with an incorrect letter. Not sure were the {10= } comes from at the start, just another small error. I am monitoring 503.400 to 504.000 kHz but not seen the PSK31 signal. Thanks for looking. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 31 January 2010 20:05, Markus Vester wrote: > Dear Gary, > > decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audiostream a few minutes before 20 UT: > > {10}Test transpission from G4WGT > Locator IO83qo > Tx RF 5=D8 watts > ERP 2=D8=D8 mW > Mode and station control by SpecLab > Test de G4WGT > > There was also a weaker PSK31 signal a few Hz up for a short while. > > Best 73, > Markus, DF6NM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* LF Group (RSGB) > *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:01 PM > *Subject:* LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > > LF, > > I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. > The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. > > I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset will be 100= 0 > Hz. > > Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW. > > I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say it) any > replies/calls in that mode. > The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will vary. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > --000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus,

Thank you for your decode via the Twente= Web SDR. It is almost 100% with just the word transmission with an incorr= ect letter. Not sure were the {10} comes from at the start, just another= small error.

I am monitoring 503.400 to 504.000 kHz but not seen th= e PSK31 signal.

Thanks for looking.
73, Gary - G4WGT.


On 31 January 2010 20:05, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote:
=
Dear Gary,
=A0
decoded from the Twente Web-SDR audio= stream a few=20 minutes=A0before 20 UT:
=A0
{10}Test=20 transpission from G4WGT
Locator IO83qo
Tx RF 5=D8 watts
ERP 2=D8=D8 mW
Mode and station control by SpecLab
Test de G4WGT
=A0
There was also a=A0weaker PSK31 signa= l a few Hz=20 up for a short while.
=A0
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:0= 1=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08

LF,=20

I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode.
The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB.

I will be using SpecLab Digital Terminal, the Tx & Rx offset wi= ll be=20 1000 Hz.

Tx RF output 50 watts & ERP about 200mW.

I will look forward to & welcome any reports & (dare I say= it)=20 any replies/calls in that mode.
The beacon will be operated in manually so times between Tx will=20 vary.

73, Gary - G4WGT.



--000e0cd1170aa37579047e7c3b70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5b44b5c60ef189; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG035-5b44b5c60ef189; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3xF-0006YS-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ3xF-0006YJ-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ3xE-0008Rp-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0OF0ZUk032386 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:35 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.ca0.69158f0c (34935) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-5c354b5c608b70; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:31 -0500 Received: from magic-m06.mail.aol.com (magic-m06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.2]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB023-5c354b5c608b70; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:27 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:27 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 93.14.72.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You. Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!! TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR) Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter) + variometer inside RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You.
Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!!
 
TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w
Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR)
Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter)  += =20 variometer inside
 
RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro
Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT
 
 
 --part1_39459.55ff6410.388dba8b_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-a1f4b58c453162; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:17:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b58c453162; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:17:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4O2-0007Pl-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4O2-0007Pc-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4O0-0000MX-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:18 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so508704fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oy8uwvvJTO40lb62xJQ5nSGC+EC5clib/pSm/F8/mLQ=; b=BhR6AgK+dTUWfL9NJUAGg0thCUL6SNwrF9/ZpV/FSFbbfGFVdFuYCy928QvChgKesI FcB5Hprw4heO5xNMqu+M5smmr6FglGTXU6IEkP2p18+/aOh3XHQs8GZkVbjPCnoxc2RN QsjKZZJt4nS7eUxagSBIMU5OJd6DdK0G1doWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c0MzYEqKnN0aZi53LtikULvnp0hWDHkbUWux9Ryh7Rib8hehNidNQ8JUF1Wru4quk+ +9W/SqCy2jA9EW2DYWI8WqezRxn6Bpz91WB3aiwN0vcYf8M3CABjb9gbktezcqTrd7SJ 2q1Cn+5cvVU2goJlByNez4HtIZKgk1YPtPMAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.148 with SMTP id p20mr233495hbh.7.1264108569977; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64095d445647f047db336dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64095d445647f047db336dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each >> even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >> >> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >> replies. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > --0016e64095d445647f047db336dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.





--0016e64095d445647f047db336dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI072-eacf4b5623be2e5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:27:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C421238000175; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLai-0003pZ-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLaf-0003pQ-Gk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLac-0000Kh-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:21 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2779738pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:26:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OhPYgb/PxfpIkB/Y75rdlisupQBQOsonK2UH2Upb40A=; b=SK2b39wp6NNJKUpCS/HBhjw7KtSz3YIA5WCHJvh/JGH2ml5AKKSzHXZX6l0p3jXMwW NLETtRGSZ7oNYlGkzM1HL4tjm5TTlODjZagUc1m07o6WYxiz+W+Y85dBvQqi/gt4Suow vLmFUbSxFfN7GBTr2jmm3Qa7ds0/q8IQR4/Lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=xEV0LYI7Wf0DOLbvjoD2Z/kA0Ji9Oewp2UCQG5629Xs9qF9HTUwLOSTMr+RhDmf7fi aqMeeHA3AAM4Xifg++QRIiyGrc3j6idPlyBtdpQySta2YCTA13jb4TLBujr7PaUgZTnI VT+nEHuw4kOA569tEsNh7qWfYu2GMBes8xZSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.88.6 with SMTP id q6mr2725816rvl.91.1263936370937; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:10 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f164eccbe720151c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191326j354e4656nb687daa51e39a4ec@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b5623bc3821 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ko & Andy, Thanks Ko for further decodes. Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I will look at the pdf for more info, thanks. I also believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some reason. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 > characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and > the WSJT documantation > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >> >> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>> >>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>> >>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>> >>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>> >>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Gary >>> Just received: >>> >>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> >>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd13a70689132047d8b1e00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ko & Andy,

Thanks Ko for further decodes.

Andy, I thought there may be some restriction/limit. I wil= l look at the pdf for more info, thanks.

I also= believe someone is trying to reply but I am not decoding for some reason.=

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail= .com>
In its plain=A0text mode which you= have used, it can cope with just 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://w= ww.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documant= ation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight= I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation= is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



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boundary=000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4a24936fcb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? > > As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current > antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is > around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed > accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting > and antenna configuration? > > Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one > knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible > to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on > its performance with other known signals. > > If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the > remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the > same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it > fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? > > Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a > great 2010 > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim* > > > > > > Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > ** > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz= Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him= to hear very weak signals than many others.

For what it's wort= h, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany= (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand,= that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable co= nditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night= . The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the= propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WS= PR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setti= ng with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is= there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expect= ed Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio betwee= n two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at= least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other know= n signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining =A08dB= or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability= as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for= the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010=

With best re= gards

=A0

=A0

Jim

=A0

=A0

Dr. James Co= wburn G7NKS

= E james.cowburn@virgin.n= et

=A0

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--000325559a6a79e071047cd4101c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9184b4f8d29169; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:31:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184b4f8d29169; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:31:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXGi-00031r-V8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVXGi-00031i-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from mcgi57.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVXGf-0004v7-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from mcgi57.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi57.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD8411431 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.27.195] by mcgi57.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:02 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:30:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, LF! TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. Is't real to be an NDB ID. Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000]: > Hi All at LF, > > Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. > > The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios > using > my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a couple Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? That signal is absent today on the grabber. > of > NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet it > was > there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. > > My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the > signal > not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference had > disappeared as well. > > You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound card > is > an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > > > Hi Tracey, > > > > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following UNID > :- > > > > > 498.7 > > *NT* 0 UNID > XUU > > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID > when/if > > it gets strong enough. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > > > > Hello Gary > >> > >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > >> > >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >> > >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that there > are a > >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. > >> > >> Tracey > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT > >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > >> > >> Hi Roman, LF, > >> > >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > >> > >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at > about > >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times > there > >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which > looks > >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB > on that > >> frequency. > >> > >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz > either > >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF > side of > >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > >> interested. > >> > >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> > >>> > >>> Hi LF! > >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Roman RW3ADB. > >>> > >>> > >> > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b423a17e1; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:57:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 830CE380000F3; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRs6P-0001G1-JU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRs6P-0001Fs-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRs6N-0000Ag-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:56:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 21204 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mQ4VEgrdph+cQjuHS87pVwNXh9rh+Y3wDn0D5D+mqaPCa6LjdE5wh2f9HEFdByBJxv28Eci10qeswerGYwZbsJJwAU7lZ0pw5GytuuvSo2nGdsZ0/oA9Tfll3u9tsQ30b6zwvjxA7aP22Cl5OkLFoFAk3qw/Yu6bvUIRC3nKi2A= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: .FPyq2QVM1lgEYda_BViNGqds.wYoeWa8J8rJR7_QMgijio..hIaYPGE7Xy50aPQ7trGD1m4_w7waA8ZtSdMJlPQVF5XUanpathdU8gPx2LOac6VrS0_BSAVm.hJZlSUSPGLd2arQ7IfTCdeWvrnhbM7MuYIUR8a.wZEAiXIb5bTyJG8mb_KbPxzcInSTSJJFsF8cBdmqQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <76CBD5EABC614F83846BA8DB4BB0076F@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:56:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b423a1612f7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60,= =20 please?
Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CA8D6F.9B159690-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.130]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b5225fa8f; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:47:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 95C983800009C; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWFXp-0004dG-Ik for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWFXp-0004d7-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWFXn-0004Gq-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 21801 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 20:46:45 -0000 Received: from 188-23-90-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.90.143]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jan 2010 20:46:44 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1263674804.5160.15.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Experimental OE Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824b5225f86b02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear group! I have moved my temporary and experimental grabber to http://members.aon.at/grabber The page should auto-update every 3 Minutes. I do not plan to run a 7/24 grabber like Markus (DF6NM---many thanks) does but if my service is of use for anybody, I could activate it upon request (also on 500khz). I have limited experience in operating the complex "Spectrum-Lab"-software and so any ideas for improvement of setup are welcome. Good DX es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI023-eabc4b4243a918e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:38:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62484380125F1; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRryy-000191-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRryy-00018s-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRryw-00005j-26 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:48:48 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAGAOvGQUtcG7A5/2dsb2JhbACIKs1nhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="266168275" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.176.57]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 18:48:38 +0000 Message-ID: <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:48:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b4238452b4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120,= 240 and 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hits th= e whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongo= lia !! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > Hi Horst, > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is ha= rdly a > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time= beats > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may= not be on > this site? > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3,= for > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is= worse > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW.= Thats > part of the game . . . > Horst > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Chris" > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to sa= ve > > time). > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.81]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-869a4b4b636c31b; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:44:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B19EA380000A3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOI8-0004MQ-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOI8-0004MH-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOI6-0002vA-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F89113414B for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID710oakRQ11377X02; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:52 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID710oakRQ11377X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.247.34] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 222oakRQY1472M40; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:42:50 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.247.34 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:42:47 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> In-Reply-To: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID222oakRQY1472X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60514b4b63691781 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > frequencies. > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > to undertake this "self-training"? There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO kinds of ham radio licenses... License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques or experiment old ones, either by building themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where "communication" is to be intended with the meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to talk with other B-licensed persons, usually of subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, or by operating a mechanical switch that interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with substantial fines in case of invasion of the other slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags Chewers with Rags Chewers.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-8bf14b6579887e; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:37:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 12965380000B9; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbYvy-0007sS-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbYvv-0007sJ-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbYvp-0006xS-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:29:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAGUGZUtZ8UPl/2dsb2JhbACNIwPIcoRFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,377,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="300793184" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.67.229]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 12:28:59 +0000 Message-ID: <004201caa270$f3d9e220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:28:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 NEW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b65797d0f3f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA3FYX new one on 500. His first qso on 500 with me this morning. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PA3FYX new one on 500. His first qso= on=20 500 with me this morning.
 
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA270.F39278E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a0b4b6143098c; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:56:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG045-a0b4b6143098c; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:55:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPCt-0001Io-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPCt-0001If-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaPCr-0003U4-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6513951C001 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326ADF3862 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:18 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:54:26 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Joe, good copy (539) around midnight local time (23 UTC). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 03:13 28/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Roelof, > >THank-you for the signal reports. > >73 >Joe VO1NA > > > > > > 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz > > > > Best regards, > > Roelof > > ===================================================================== > > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > > Locator: JO11tm > > > > Receiver: > > PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz > > > > Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna > > ====================================================================== > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5f344b3e9e4a3b2; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:15:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF57F3800004E; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQsZR-0002sh-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQsZR-0002sY-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQsZP-0006lm-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:14:21 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o021Du40089047; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:14:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> From: "M. Sanders" To: Cc: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:13:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b3e9e493357 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet publi= shed the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Dutc= h Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector= that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting= in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs= VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegan= g tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effec= ten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de ra= ndvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz ba= nd. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale= voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moete= n hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collec= tieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inho= ud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de vereniging= en nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaar= den voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddel= s met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de vereniging= en verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen= individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend= via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch= Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for th= e 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the mos= t recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all t= heir=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about th= e process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to participate&nb= sp;in the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have already been pr= ocessed by=20 the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF inte= rested parties=20 via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recor= ded=20 below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still=  be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, tra= nsmitting=20 on an frequency band without official permission. It looks like= it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publication= s have=20 been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA ha= ve=20 informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participa= tion to=20 the experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date= =20 somewhere in the future will be in order, and not= legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of= 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atl= antic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio pi= racy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=  his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz vo= or=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober= 2009 zijn=20 afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen= zullen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieb= and in=20 relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld= voor de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nat= ionale=20 voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten= hiervoor=20 een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunne= n=20 uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunni= ng aan bij=20 Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co= =F6rdinator=20 voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoerin= g van het=20 experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergu= nninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de= uitvoering=20 van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informere= n hoe zij=20 in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom= niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze= =20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 201= 0 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz

Rik,

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.<= /DIV>

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>
I just worked= PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA8B51.2BC4A580-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-86b14b660560117; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3C941380000FA; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbiLA-0000wW-Vi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbiLA-0000wN-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbiL7-0002kS-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 46341 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=bGVST+PRLcZUyWcU6mMap0RakbkC8ZRrWPYga3BGtK0aZXUiDUPKgIbtnEbzxgE0bElwDaYzoe/mFEjgF7JSyIPD4I/DSCMNxb5kOECveSBo1adJtttEHBC6JvC3H/KGUwaxPD7V9aifDiXTvYZJqjetzcTAWGq9kFTemHkuIDE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: CkDvCqsVM1lJcoPLPOTaKEgRF4E3jDhsXCVI7TqyekXR_JWOX1jv5wspedAwVZCsbJmdoHa1gz6pkxLzBdiApWJO7eMj6zjwfiOwJsU84PwWOByrRqBIWcFG6xgTj8IvQZ2c6mfxMHIXZV72aJx6xzG_NHmNNBW9.msGZW_SvZ0BIlRn_3lYLLeD308UYUlyd3FtYsV_02mFJbcH4Qr2u8Aq_Gtcy4AUccy.9eRu.W5B.I1YGZUsW7uTTWLydtxiZsV7y.qVIQxoBBL6GwFUx74R1tZ9eTShn11.CSw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <722A368928D24CF388E2BC7DDACA5B9B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001311347v4db2dd59k65607d8b6240452c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:32:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b66055e1c4f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Gary, LF Group, I think the only "errors" in the decoded text are where there is some incompatibility with the fonts in the e-mail programs, making the "zero with a line through it" come out wrong. The actual decoded text here was reasonably error free, except during the nulls of fades, when the signal became too weak to decode at all. Not as good as JT4A with its error correcting code in this respect, although considerably faster, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Hello Jim, Well not 100% but it looks like you did a bit of juggling. Marcus had great success using the Twente Web SDR but didn't say if he had to jiggle things first. I would have thought you would easily get 100% but not so. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-59d4b57871617b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG012-59d4b57871617b; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjG7-0001cM-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjG7-0001c8-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:43 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjG4-0000MP-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:42:42 +0000 Received: from COL122-W21 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:42:34 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: ,<000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 22:42:34.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD247F0:01CA9A21] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_" Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations,=20 "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eddie, LF!

2214   4  1.9   0.503898&= nbsp; 0 PA0A JO33 37

22= 16 -29  2.0   0.503819  0 G3ZJO IO92 17

= 2230   8  2.1   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37
=
My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE= : LF: G3XBM

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Yeh ! Con= gratulations Roger.

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<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Lubos you= have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">73=

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Eddie G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:= 01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM

 

Congratulations,&n= bsp; "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos OK= 2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter=FD= po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.

 

No virus found in this incoming= message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/1= 0 17:49:00


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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_63fd772a-a953-4155-8568-75bdbe7edb3c_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.209]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b40ea2b35c; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:04:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51E383800593F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVJ7-0003tR-Jq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVJ7-0003tG-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVJ5-0001N5-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:36:05 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so5481501fxm.4 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kvNlnjkLkkmzFODnPbmeAmhwJc6u1v3uX+HWb7CVaHs=; b=HPa54woSGgCcyGIZ1ufsHSC1liwjKrqfMFhTakAUg34LYPbH9FytbRBbIsvr8C2urD QR99J8919McVijxx0XZD3/IfGBZ4QNy5yRpOHvOI6nur7PmIfgXDlmBEZj9HT75+HJCF ONyXBPTFUPfYXF0w5MVvtmovS9Oin4KGv2ttg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cTuRqWzDwgTBo0Xgs+24dZsQr9GM5fcd8jtvpGJC9YaznX7ZyRk8RecG6AymzkqmR3 6E6pekQpybdzrl0ud9kn7KieBWfA6ObMAwLmw/ckWiZyBoZeu5rwxl4ohTpzPHrr+1jg yxYeOwRsJSPF8AiKFCmCcWiU9wE4g2kT2VGms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.82 with SMTP id t18mr639111hbg.196.1262543757635; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <254A4F17D55E481F9D7AB252D287B3A3@AGB> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:35:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b40e3c7640b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) For some of us, fun does not mean simple... It means using the latest techniques, learning as we go along and trying new ideas It would be nice if amateur radio could stay no more than a decade behind everything else happening in the world of radio communications. We're still somewhere in the late 1990's, technology wise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/3 Graham : > Rik, >> Talking of 'key's' =A0 its =A0starting to =A0look like Mal has been =A0= right =A0for a > long time .. the =A0effort required > to =A0generate anything =A0more than a =A0on/off carrier on 500 =A0is ta= king =A0it > through the =A0'fun' barrier for > most operators .. and =A0the =A0stability requirements of the =A0likes= of wspr > leaves one open to a =A0little > technical banter .. what other =A0mode has 'banana' as one of the accept= ed > report's (at least please > send with =A0other foot =A0takes some time to =A0key) > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b4c1d953ad; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:58:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFEFE3800007F; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUagY-0007aN-0O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUagX-0007aE-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUagV-0003hT-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009C4FCA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:56:54 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070600010504080809050006" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b4c1d932352 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------070600010504080809050006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. 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09:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:40:02 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 17:40:02.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[C40C8F70:01CA9609] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 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Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon:

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1608 -31&nbs= p; 0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1632 -30 -0.5 &n= bsp; 0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20

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Dal=B9=ED= informace. =3D --_e4c75e54-191c-4fdb-a592-ad7ccba641d4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-8bb24b60b7442bf; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:59:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 64C143800020A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFuM-0006Wb-2r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFuL-0006WR-Nx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:41 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFuI-0007SN-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:41 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0RLwWNi089176 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:58:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:58:11 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b60b7415d4d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, Last night I had excellent aural reception of WE2XGR/B and VX9MRC. WE2XGR/B was approximately 12 dB stronger than the bandnoise and Joe 10 dB. 27-01-2010 03:00 UTC WE2XGR/B 507.300 kHz 27-01-2010 03:34 UTC VX9MRC 507.770 kHz Best regards, Roelof ===================================================================== From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E Locator: JO11tm Receiver: PERSEUS SDR, Bandwidth 15 Hz Aerial: pa0rdt-mini-whip, 5 metre up a magnolia tree, main antenna ====================================================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME011-9e34b5cdfb8128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:03:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34b5cdfb8128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:03:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCPH-0002p2-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCPH-0002ot-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:15 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCPF-0003kd-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:14 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0P025bV027813 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:05 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d06.6c3c7faa (34909) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.130]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-d3ef4b5cdf6e283; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:02:00 -0500 Received: from magic-m08.mail.aol.com (magic-m08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.4]) by smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD023-d3ef4b5cdf6e283; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:01:50 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: <46625.76ca05fd.388e396e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:01:50 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 93.14.72.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Henny, =20 Z : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a NDB from Zilina / Slovakia BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB from unknown location (maybe= =20 central europe) =20 _http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php_ (http://www.classax e.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php)=20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas NDB hunter since 2004 =20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl= a =20 =E9crit : Hi LF, =20 Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s =20 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Henny,
 
Z   : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a= NDB=20 from Zilina / Slovakia
BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB fro= m=20 unknown location (maybe central europe)
 
 
F4DTL Nicolas
NDB hunter since 2004
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plane= t.nl a=20 =E9crit :
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL on=20 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
 --part1_46625.76ca05fd.388e396e_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-86474b4aa87320c; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:26:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 67E82380000F8; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUBq8-0008D6-4p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUBq7-0008Cx-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:15 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUBq4-000383-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:25:15 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so71370165yxe.30 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=umUzPhknTRZJx41+2a8iEoc9fEts1nNsZYPyQCS+Xp0=; b=dMXbttLgfZdRFcG+iIbhJxwN7o4AfgTDY8kW0IwmBWlYhZ70aOFeSwYmnxLi49mGqd BzeVsN+gAvXBa8DqMZIeKfIWKec78oxCN44XNiRd6XWCAcl5edgp0hBTgnjyODAKI4Jd iA5ppsD8jyQZVeeNm4Q54XvRhFbfQ8YT8B9nQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YEecaKvFGzmpLkRjah64FQ65gaoA8OdiTXOduRjeQA06bo2ecOlxxphYRUQ4Nmk2Qd BIm+YYuEQuxLuOeAcX49X20EdIhliI2EeH0PtjJ+BFhgQDq7/wMOWNWW8IIU0ApK7/Rh ENzMqYYagZ+EOvk3wFldZCVt8acACV81VBeqs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.117.25 with SMTP id p25mr9705784ybc.139.1263183906676; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b4aa87257be X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Laurence, Monitoring 137? XGJ is in QRSS 60 mode on 137.7798 -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Laurence KL1X < hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote: > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X > BP51ip 7066 347 > > PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > > Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > > 73 > > Laurence KL 1 X > (remote ops) > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > --000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence,
=A0=A0Monitoring 137? XGJ is in QRSS 60 mode on 137.7798
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73 Warren K2ORS
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Laurence= KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503899=A0 =A0-25=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A05=A0 =A0KL1X=A0 =A0BP51ip=A0 =A07066=A0 =A0347=A0
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PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
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Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
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73
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Laurence KL 1 X
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--000e0cd728360b1f6a047cdbec66-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b5b264916d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:39:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDB95380000BD; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYj0B-0006QC-9P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYj0A-0006Q3-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:22 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYj07-0004PO-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:22 +0000 Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so369249fxm.29 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:38:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gh4Ga2urNvuazWn8vppiQF11TEOEtvrMO5sNp8D7F2Q=; b=UsnQrsuWLJZ+ZK6vq5fCrQvTcXJcXZy06aGzCNgz9eytORRVPS32wjtrREkWPZMDch xtM/FASox5qngfXGNm0ZIU0f+8T6PmIrfV5yP7U/oSXQQyX/hCQWNfLah+rR9OaO6vv0 x7FdXogKuJOsdI0HGIb3Fcws+Xp3hyl4YiIFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Cg5yvJNX6vCET8XSYFiDWZeJaQbTw5e46yB4whPPhfAL1XclEvYearOb8hv62PhoZa W+Ah+QWQet0S5mBAfn5biEGRT795zkA1oIi0yCiuywNDrtNHF1zm3ZF2Uv2vdDfmB+/2 pg2KmJPoesdlp4BMrKn/U0HvH0WNLu8EM4vDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.191.203 with SMTP id c11mr494528hbi.65.1264264691145; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b5b264777a4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Thanks for this help Andy. > > I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but > could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If > JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to > people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some > more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I > am sure there will be others who would value this too. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > >> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one >> of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >> get it going is in there. >> >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >> >> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but >> at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >> wide and seems less user friendly. >> >> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on >> 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >> signal still had discrete tone energy). >> >> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 >> and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now >> GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long >> as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided >> accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >> >> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals >> - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be >> any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will >> be lost for the duration? >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >> >>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>> >>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, >>> or something similar that I might understand, please? >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f03c94d15c7a047dd78f19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designe= d for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit ant= isocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0 And more importantly, as= my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said...
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To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will= put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WS= PR has more to offer anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a band= width change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in= S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth= difference should be directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 Th= e differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added err= or correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and they use the same= algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@= gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this help Andy.
I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon= , but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perha= ps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs= to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mod= e some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be= useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on= the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help= files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in at about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At times there appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher which looks like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that frequency. I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few kHz either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be interested. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > > Hi LF! > What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > --000e0cd11604dea41a047d1e8ad9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman, LF,

I have also noticed the signal on 498.800= kHz.

I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves= & the signal fades in at about 1530utc & fades out at about 0700u= tc the following morning. At times there appears to an accompanying parall= el signal about 1 kHz higher which looks like an NDB ID=A0(see attachment)= ,=A0but nothing on my lists for an NDB on that frequency.=A0

I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequenc= y & a few kHz either side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF sid= e as well as the HF side of the carrier. I will report my findings to LF= for anyne who may be interested.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB <rw3adb@rambler.ru>

Hi LF!
What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz?
http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg<= br> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg<= /a>

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with ESMTP id C0365495BB1 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 Message-ID: <1262547036.4b40f05cbc380@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:30:36 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> In-Reply-To: <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b40f09c7f19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Correction: The correct time is 1912UTC. At first I deducted 2 hours from the clock already showing UTC... My log of received ham/experimental stations + X-band QSO's around 600m si= nce September 2007 can be found here: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/500_log.txt > LF > > Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: > > PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal, PA0A= seems > to > have difficulties copying him. > > RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins > ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. > > > Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector members= ! > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC061-a96f4b505244110; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:32:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 82BEA38000143; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkOa-00075j-40 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVkOZ-00075a-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVkOX-0001t4-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:15 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so431605bwz.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:31:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FsRhlvHG4Xs6BAGf9HWUmNnirrJoruJ2SlZukbTYC6Y=; b=DPVSsh8jo3YOIVbjO638EducAnEBDcxCs+7GYE6jQpnKfaiGoHl8/ocIkZjHyJvoKM 4sycHkgWv6DpmOZDTgs8X789vO+kRpfdL4gqWguSEMVmlo7aj8B8i5hXCoa/kSI/y1MM d2HSvRAUyR0Z/bRb21WPWac9nzkTad6rAd0bc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CNuZ9lk4I/3BcOPMYocMVcu7m3J/MQtir5+2M9Jc6JsZPWCU3/+P9xcRa+l1M1TaVZ YMzlmt0qoCun+RGqZucqsQ23sJW7ST5PrP4+gpq7fRux9hPdxxzcxIy63JhbfgJ+ajtA fYkjP/EJ55/gg1fc++oc2t5QMGK0v0KYTMUUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.68 with SMTP id n4mr1200808bkw.68.1263555066519; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:31:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:31:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150331r5ef8886dt2017542053cb5a08@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b5052425708 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Lubos. If I reach you I would be SO happy. 73s and "good hunting" tonight! Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole this evening and nigh= t. > I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz. It would be very > interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad, LFR1000) and= two > home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109, the other with 4 > tubes). I will try them! > Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH. > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000 > From: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 > > Lubos, > > Keep looking for *G3XBM* please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away an= d > would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, bu= t > have already reached 990kms. > > 73s > Roger > > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace. > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Lubos. If I reach you I would be SO happy.

73s and "goo= d hunting" tonight!

Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
Well, I am going to be ready for your signal whole thi= s evening and night. I expect, you will be on frequency near 503.950kHz.= It would be very interesting, becouse I have got two rx aerials (LF Amrad= , LFR1000) and two=A0 home made preamplifiers (one with transistor 2N5109,= the other with 4 tubes). I will try them!
Your QRA JO02DG is 1232km away from my QTH.

73!

Lubos, OK2B= VG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:36:22 +0000
From: rogerlapthorn@gmai= l.com
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500

Lubos,
Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000= kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running= 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger



Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.



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--0015175d0064e4e0e4047d325607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.221]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b3f164d258; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:47:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 21C5A38000089; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Zb-0003U1-Fq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Zb-0003Ts-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR0Za-0005IJ-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100102094657.SMGX17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:46:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100102094656.OCRZ13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:46:56 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:46:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B3F1605.31438.3F046F5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B3E2FF8.20187.6DA323@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <000c01ca8b14$d9659380$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8dEDhkX0UAQ67q90SMIA:9 a=qIqfvWgjjkX0qJPRBlzdL0rxjDMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: XDV on 136.32kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dd4b3f164c3363 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 OK, Andrey. Thanks for the grabber. I hope it is back soon. 73 de Mike, G3XDV ============== > My grabber will not work some time - it is necessary to alter > lengthening coil. > > HNY! > 73 Andrey > > >I will beacon again overnight using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. The icy > > and dry weather is very good for the antenna current which is 10% up > > on normal, but it seems conditions were poor last night. > > > > I note that PA3CPM is still on 136.3182kHz. We were joined by OE5ODL > > last night on 136.321kHz. > > > > Any DX listeners out there? Has anyone got a grabber on the Eu DX > > window, apart from DF6NM and RN3AGC? > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ============ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9d14b4385cf7c; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME085-9d14b4385cf7c; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:32:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSECC-0004RO-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSECC-0004RF-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSEC9-0007ax-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:31:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgANADMUQ0tOkdws/2dsb2JhbACCFoYtAcs6hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="261627179" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.220.44]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:31:48 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:31:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8e35$586315e0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good.. :-) He makes my blood boil at times; I manage to keep my fingers off the keyboard though. I bet if we visited him we would spend all day and find him very interesting, I am sure he is a fine operator in his field. He should widen out and be more tolerant for sure; heaven knows I am a miserable old fool but I do try to see both sides of things. There is no way he is going to even try and understand WSPR is there. WSPR has its faults, one being its too easy for the appliance ops who think it adjust the power output of the rig. It sure inspired me right from day one. Mal should have a go at K1JT personally, I find him to be an obstinate rottweiler, they should get on like a house on fire:-) Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes.= That's good..

J

 

He makes my blood boil= at times; I manage to keep my fingers off the keyboard though. I bet if we visited him we= would spend all day and find him very interesting, I am sure he is a fine operator= in his field.

 

He should widen= out and be more tolerant for sure; heaven knows I am a miserable old fool but I do try to see both= sides of things. There is no way he is going to even try and understand WSPR is= there.

WSPR has its fa= ults, one being its too easy for the appliance ops who think it adjust the power output of the= rig. It sure inspired me right from day one.

 

Mal should have= a go at K1JT personally, I find him to be an obstinate rottweiler, they should get on like a hous= e on fireJ

 

Eddie

 




------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8E35.586315E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.79]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b633f50144; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:04:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 000C0380000D6; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nax3g-0008BT-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nax3f-0008BJ-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:11 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nax3c-0003Zj-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:03:11 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=47939 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1Nax3W-000E4a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:03:02 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <006a01caa11e$0dc0cb30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <06D2FCE49D5049D293B2F749823AF7D5@Black> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:02:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4b633f4a6831 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Many thanks, Markus! 73 Andrey Dear Andrey, yes your 5 watt beacon was visible here until about 23:15, with maximum fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m. 73 de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message ----- From: rn3agc To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b5b6d26307; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:41:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0904B380000EE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYniK-0000Ps-EN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYniK-0000Pj-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYniI-0005zw-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:16 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42E13B4D8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:40:30 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100123214030.66e36325@opc1> In-Reply-To: <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b5b6d243268 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:52:28 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > These signals are audible with me. And your point is...? Perhaps the idea so to go further afield than Scarborough? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5ee44b576b01386; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:43:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 725073800007C; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhNu-000863-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhNu-00085u-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhNs-0007cc-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWK00GLWC6UC3@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:42:31 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:42:27 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 20-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8COGQxHQdk8xr3NZQ/cs7w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b576afe1f53 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_8COGQxHQdk8xr3NZQ/cs7w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uGr48hGhLMrWYOQI4uJKxQ)" --Boundary_(ID_uGr48hGhLMrWYOQI4uJKxQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello,LF, Nice capture UA4WPF Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 20-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello,LF,
Nice capture UA4WPF
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Markus. 73 de G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Who? It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconing most nights around this QRG. 73= de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: Who? Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Markus.
73 de G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 8:11=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Who?

It's Uwe, DJ8WX, currently beaconin= g most=20 nights around this QRG. 73 de Markus (DF6NM)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 9:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Who?

Station is still sending WX, anyb= ody know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QR= SS60,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA8D7C.DF161D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG083-5f34b4f4e0c35f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34b4f4e0c35f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT4J-0000r1-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVT4J-0000qr-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVT4G-0002Ps-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAJrcTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACNZQbAEoswhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="293543630" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 17:00:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca953b$20e1f9d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:00:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A 160m wire beam would be a reasonable size. I used a 160m single ele= vert quad loop for a while, I have room for a reflector but never put= one up. My fixed direction was N/S. On 160 using 3 inv V antennas spr= ead out in line across a field would do nicely but for 500 a different= story. mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Mal (et al) Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom thi= s is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up= a corner of a garden.=20 For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el= beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX= CZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V= design, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A 160m wire beam would be a reasonabl= e size. I used=20 a 160m single ele vert quad loop for a while, I have room for a r= eflector=20 but never put one up. My fixed direction was N/S. On 160 using 3= inv V=20 antennas spread out in line across a field would do nicely but&nb= sp;for 500=20 a different story.
 
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 14,= 2010 4:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500=

Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher= than our=20 local church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA= there will=20 be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long ant= enna would=20 only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas,= see also=20 the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated= http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA.=20 Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
= Roger=20 G3XBM


2010/1/14 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2= wave dipole=20 on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA953B.2090CC90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b51101531f; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:02:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA9B538000100; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVx2A-0002PD-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVx2A-0002P4-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:58 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVx29-00050j-Te for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:00:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 57499 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2010 01:00:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263603652; bh=9mqnuxAD/7JMB3TtZ92ICOAQwvPjO69y9xgCL5ukyNA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pYjsTnFT7nGTgLc6sxIrw/4CArcOSWLFaJq5f+mxu8WFx+pvSBxq0CoV5KSm3ofSanT0ptztRjSy4/ewSDfJHMMuL/VBQTH5VgvwwclBTsOx9gzbMNE0cAtSCXFIm/jCBa43vXxet1MctTtycQ0kF/0j5BXglYDrSGJurWs8HZg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mTHqBfS2KRx8yjAKhb2HEkISux73+HezIRV0mqI2UeSjdXm9NTKJ1orY8sEw8DA37tf7lIQdKhfQGOfkdygDY2EePrlMdxMQgqiopW3n1N7yh6KDN+pOvqGVYFZIzZ7a/AC48WbWWvieyu21plIugsDmPMtJkwpImvDWYA9pRDg=; Message-ID: <467468.55676.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WeEswG8VM1krb9BzA7oC_i3e3UmVRFqH7eI4GTRmg2d9uBB2FGbhTfcTg21X.3QOy43N6RAZy1O9md665r_6M5RemT40MlrHXo2OQohGCRKKNoDcvgDZLkZyx9GFU6B.AEpFaoG2VKH25ZHBW9GAHg103mXvGcujqcXZn4BRRdCfrw28J4ooWnWqtzVEEMCOgV6kMnjtMp6GyZcJy6pOOIy_iQwCklM12rSujkPo8WTeQWOk71K.sw1KgVBmcKY5KOk5Jh1Lv1zk4iSAeMpWJBQ- Received: from [86.149.156.87] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5110135222 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OOOK I'll buy that.=20 =A0 Lee points out the faint joining lines of constant frequency during period= between expansion and contraction of the side bands. Indicating multi-fre= quency (harmonic) modulation at constant amplitude then ramped to "off" an= d on "startup" the oppsite happens. OK OK. Some kind of motor control then= . Right.....=A0OK then .............. teach me to ask a silly question! =A0 The signal appears pulsed, I guess that accounts for the harmonic modulati= on content? =A0 Thanks for the explanation. 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 15/1/10, John P-G wrote: From: John P-G Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 21:37 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not > the mirror image how does that work.=20 Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich waveform that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J =20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OOOK I'll buy that.
 
Lee points out the faint joining lines of constant frequency during= period between expansion and contraction of the side bands. Indicating mu= lti-frequency (harmonic) modulation at constant amplitude then ramped to= "off" and on "startup" the oppsite happens. OK OK. Some kind of motor con= trol then.
Right..... OK then .............. teach me to ask a silly questi= on!
 
The signal appears pulsed, I guess that accounts for the harmonic mod= ulation content?
 
Thanks for the explanation.
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri,= 15/1/10, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:=

From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.= uk>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 21:37

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST)
M0FMT= <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wro= te:

> Too glib
>  
> I can visualise the whiske= r pointing in the direction of time but not
> the mirror image how= does that work.

Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically= rich waveform, which
reduces in frequency......


then after= a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich
waveform that= now increases in frequency......

Not too difficult to imagine?
=
What's the time scale on the spectrogram?

A motor that slows do= wn, stops and then speeds up?


J


<= /td>

=20 --0-1591775188-1263603652=:55676-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.82]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-8bcf4b5793682a3; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:36:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C96213800007D; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk53-0002l9-2H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk52-0002l0-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:20 +0000 Received: from mcgi64.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXk4z-0001zm-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:20 +0000 Received: from mcgi64.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi64.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F71511522 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.13.114] by mcgi64.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:06 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:35:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <126980379.1263435061.156205952.17650@mcgi37.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001140353le8ae77brd1d1180757a9f8f6@mail.gmail.com> <1EFCA9A32D95487BB1DEAD82067AC23B@TraceyPC> <1f0624b91001140606p6b1a31eew7f33d9fdf9af5b1f@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001141210s3bcff9d7vfaf87d6e44afc4b9@mail.gmail.com> <1190791598.1263504602.167115768.21220@mcgi57.rambler.ru> <1f0624b91001150224pc606410yc900cb9ab5bab7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <1128689800.1264030506.47635240.13375@mcgi64.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF:498.8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60524b5793661dfb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, LF! OK, I'm understood. There is no any ideas what is a signal? Roman * Gary - G4WGT [Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:24:36 +0000]: > Roman, LF, > > I realise I have resolved the issue of the "signal" but the spectrum > line > that appeared at the bottom of the display looked like it was a repeated > 1 > minute segment. It was in fact a continuous signal which was broken into > 1 > minute lengths by the time label at the bottom which is in a black box > for > clearer display. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > > 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > > > Hi Gary, LF! > > TNX to all for the details and participation in identification. > > I thought about an NDB, but signal was so very long 1 minute. > > Is't real to be an NDB ID. > > Some time he was like a carrier on the screen. > > > > * Gary - G4WGT [Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:10:59 > +0000]: > > > >> Hi All at LF, > >> > >> Update on previous mails regarding 498.800 kHz. > >> > >> The signal is not really there, I tried to Rx it on my "real" radios > >> using > >> my 500 kHz vertical & there was nothing there. I was able to Rx a > >> > > couple > > > > Do you tried to rx today or yesterday? > > That signal is absent today on the grabber. > > > > of > >> NDB's a little lower at good strength but nothing on 498.800 kHz. Yet > >> > > it > > > >> was > >> there good & strong on the SoftRock SDR I use for the grabber. > >> > >> My next move was to connect to another sound card & not only was the > >> signal > >> not there on 498.800 kHz a great deal of hash & other interference > had > >> disappeared as well. > >> > >> You will notice a much better display now on the grabber, the sound > >> > > card > > > >> is > >> an external Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 bit. > >> > >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > >> > >> > Hi Tracey, > >> > > >> > Thanks, I have looked at the list & the nearest is the following > >> > > UNID > > > >> :- > >> > > >> > > >> > >> 498.7< > > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/?mode=signal_list&filter_khz_1=498.7&filter_khz_2=498.7&limit=-1 > > > > > > >> > *NT* 0 UNID > >> > >> > XUU > > > >> > UNID ENG IRL *2* 2005-08-28 > >> > Not sufficient info at the moment, I will see if I can copy an ID > >> when/if > >> > it gets strong enough. > >> > > >> > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2010/1/14 Tracey Gardner > >> > > >> > Hello Gary > >> >> > >> >> Have you checked the REU list for your signal? > >> >> > >> >> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >> >> > >> >> If you do a search between 497kHz and 500kHz you'll find that > there > >> are a > >> >> good number of unid NDBs in that area. > >> >> > >> >> Tracey > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> *From:* Gary - G4WGT > >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:53 AM > >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF:498.8 > >> >> > >> >> Hi Roman, LF, > >> >> > >> >> I have also noticed the signal on 498.800 kHz. > >> >> > >> >> I have looked back at 3 days grabber saves & the signal fades in > at > >> about > >> >> 1530utc & fades out at about 0700utc the following morning. At > >> > > times > > > >> there > >> >> appears to an accompanying parallel signal about 1 kHz higher > which > >> looks > >> >> like an NDB ID (see attachment), but nothing on my lists for an > NDB > >> on that > >> >> frequency. > >> >> > >> >> I will set up another SpecLab to monitor that frequency & a few > kHz > >> either > >> >> side to watch for an ID type signal on the LF side as well as the > >> > > HF > > > >> side of > >> >> the carrier. I will report my findings to LF for anyne who may be > >> >> interested. > >> >> > >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2010/1/14 Roman RW3ADB > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi LF! > >> >>> What is a signal are visible onto G4WGT grabber around 498.8 kHz? > >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.jpg > >> >>> http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100113_498.8/capt500-4.1.jpg > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Roman RW3ADB. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-86ad4b634c1126; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3532380001A6; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naxtu-0008Mx-D6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naxtu-0008Mo-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naxtr-0003sC-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 01B5E7000097 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:57:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9118700009B for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:56:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.76]) by mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 966497000097 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:56:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129205659616.966497000097@mwinf3514.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <99BFE8BFE3414326AE731F3D263C55E7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:56:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100129-1, 29/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b634c0f3859 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Looks like they have re invented the near filed antenna as demonstrated at the Egham hfc a while ago .. G . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alberto di Bene" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas > > On 1/29/2010 10:30 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> have a look at >> http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2010_0126.htm#antenna . >> They claim antennas with 95% efficiency and dimensions of only 2% of >> the wavelength or less. But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > A follow-on to the EH contraption ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b5571fad; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:48:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DBFD38000066; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9kY-0008DK-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9kX-0008DB-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:45 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX9kU-0003X5-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:47:45 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA937B804D for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A0631E702 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:47:25 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119084725.09A0631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WE2XGR tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4b5571f8627e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I just had a look at the www.wspr.net database and noticed impressive SNR values on the WE2XGR signals in Europe. To my experience -12 to -15 dB is the limit for an audible signal (CW copy), -3dB should be OK for SSB ! I am just a bit fussed why /3 is relatively weak (on average -10dB on /6, while its ERP is 3dB more). Unless the given values are TX output power instead of ERP (in that case i can also stop wondering how to get 200W ERP without setting things on fire ;-) - unless you have a really BIG antenna). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T 2010-01-19 07:30 WE2XGR/6 0.511499 -3 0 FN12 100 M0LMH IO93gx 5464 49 2010-01-19 03:30 WE2XGR/6 0.511500 -4 0 FN12 100 M0BMU IO91vr 5630 51 2010-01-19 01:22 WE2XGR/6 0.511499 -4 0 FN12 100 DL-SWL JO52hp 6259 47 2010-01-19 05:58 WE2XGR/6 0.511501 -5 0 FN12 100 OR7T JO20ix 5977 51 2010-01-19 05:54 WE2XGR/6 0.511501 -10 0 FN12 100 G0KTN IO81ti 5506 52 2010-01-19 03:46 WE2XGR/2 0.511550 -10 0 FN31is 50 M0LMH IO93gx 5282 49 2010-01-19 03:36 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -11 0 FN31is 50 M0BMU IO91vr 5437 52 2010-01-19 03:46 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -11 0 FN31is 50 G0KTN IO81ti 5308 53 2010-01-19 03:18 WE2XGR/2 0.511550 -12 0 FN31is 50 DL-SWL JO52hp 6085 48 2010-01-19 03:58 WE2XGR/2 0.511551 -15 0 FN31is 50 OR7T JO20ix 5786 51 2010-01-19 03:06 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -14 0 FN42ch 200 M0LMH IO93gx 5149 50 2010-01-19 02:56 WE2XGR/3 0.511452 -17 0 FN42ch 200 G0KTN IO81ti 5173 54 2010-01-19 01:58 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -19 0 FN42ch 200 DL-SWL JO52hp 5953 48 2010-01-19 05:28 WE2XGR/3 0.511452 -21 0 FN42ch 200 OR7T JO20ix 5652 52 2010-01-19 03:50 WE2XGR/3 0.511450 -22 0 FN42ch 200 M0BMU IO91vr 5302 53 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5ef54b48bfa4154; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:40:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EB1F3800012F; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfI2-0008BA-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTfI2-0008B1-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTfI0-0004sn-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o09HdjPw007554 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:45 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c3c.6d8700d7 (14501) for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: KKorn42@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:39:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1263058782" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b48bfa32742 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1263058782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, Lee, 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. Or are we lured into a dead end ..... 73 de Klaus dj6lb -------------------------------1263058782 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri!<= /DIV>
 
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
 
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
 -------------------------------1263058782-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.146]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI042-eac34b4ba81e21d; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:37:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A8E8638000162; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSry-0006OR-Ps for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSry-0006OI-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUSrw-0001cG-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEACE3S0tOlGFV/2dsb2JhbACNSAbJOIQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,258,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="275506712" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.97.85]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 22:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: <00b001ca930e$776b0cd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:36:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924b4ba81b55d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay=20 Now QRT impossibe to hear ur signal through the BEACON SSB transmissio= n. The station is sea path across the North sea from me and S9 plus. 73 es gn de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here= BEACON mode g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start tod= ay) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qu= ality. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - eith= er post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the detail= s of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so= I missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with ra= ther good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current settin= g, it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XS= H/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough fo= r a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mod= e. Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X= , KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5= , EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jay
Now QRT impossibe to hear ur signal= through the=20 BEACON SSB transmission. The station is sea path across the North sea= from me=20 and S9 plus.
73 es gn de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 10:11=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re:= 500kHz last=20 night

Now started to TX - ur freq is swam= ped by SM6BHZ=20 on SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 50= 0kHz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you abou= t 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if /= when I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite sta= rting about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur= QRG. I=20 hear u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.<= /FONT>
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010=20 11:30 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts
 
Glad to receive your WSPR sig= nal last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first=20 time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band'= causes=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR=20 signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for= your cw signal=20 on any night - either post your operation here or e mail direc= t. Curious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you= already=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS = =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010=20 4:28 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz= last=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering duri= ng the night=20 of 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find= out if,=20 using my current setting, it would be possible to work USA= with normal=20 CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and = ;thats to=20 my knowledge just enough for a  CW QSO using= good ears=20 and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports receive= d from the=20 following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH= - /17,=20 /37, /10.
&nb= sp;
Best DX:= 2010-01-11,=20 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&= nbsp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  =
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01CA930E.773DBB40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a0a4b55b1cc32d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:21:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b55b1cc32d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:21:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXDzx-0001KT-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXDzx-0001KC-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXDzv-0005aD-Ac for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:19:57 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so6908195pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eHy6bH8KpoGYEaOJR0xaf1CFDGyWhUFzrK9wS4yz220=; b=wdIJkMrAW5CL8RZhHzZBQnRsQCmzQMv0zEoxz4XgcQTwoGlIpfQTCWwA03/1t31s8P cKMP++Rzdkupub/43kOgHWKayJEoY4ou0R1mrB9nPvroP/jI/JaXr+dcGg3+s7mZhcCW bId+qIdjIB++fatj1XLbzKz2V+gssUJVA0toE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WUXJdlE9OjqZO8bJpVayHHvrM2dPlNv+HNWjzlhVSV4sgZse+4EV7umJxtUjjlYU3U OB7h6OTJbeuT9GIOhbfhRLXJkZ29zYlkUWebuDI9XA4b9UFKQF56v5one/vE51WZ/Qxd 7ErUABYSYt3vxf2/CaS07673yJoivmZAJU7nQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.139.19 with SMTP id m19mr5127289wad.101.1263907186053; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture! WD2XGJ was running low power (200W transmitter) the past two nights. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/19 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 19-01.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-5eee4b50ea912e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:22:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 54AAA3800010B; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuXg-0000I1-KW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVuXg-0000Hs-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:20 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuXd-0003ta-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:19 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222112.URDY27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:12 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuXX-00009H-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:12 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: , Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <037f01ca9631$09b39b50$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWL9jl8JdOXSovQO2aJOHD6iKR4QAARUzA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=7oV-ytx5GNCregNDgSUA:9 a=w3IapnosMjHRBTuWDE8A:7 a=3uJgoswC7I05Fn2UdC4SRHt3Mj8A:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=YogkW4dB2ML9q1kn8pkA:9 a=JLNfP9KFk1Nr_zg0F3wA:7 a=TqqlY7TPu5kzDNcmpKS8tTokQYIA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b50ea8e3fa5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos =20 I am getting G3XBM but we are only abt 50km apart=20 With best regards Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 15 January 2010 22:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test =20 Hello Victor, LF! I decode your signal without problems, it is fine. 2150 -21 -0.5 0.503965 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2154 8 1.5 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 2200 -23 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 Does anybody receive G3XBM, please? Lubos, OK2BVG _____ =20 From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Thanks for the report lubos, =20 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:37 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! 2114 -13 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2114 -18 -0.4 0.503966 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2116 10 1.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 Lubos, OK2BVG _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. =20 =20 _____ =20 Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Lubos<= /o:p>

 

I am getting= G3XBM but we are only abt 50km apart=  

With best regards

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowb= urn G7NKS

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 15 January 2010= 22:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: RE: WS= PR_test

 

Hello Victor, LF!
I decode your signal without problems, it is fine.

2150 -21 -0.5   0.503965  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2154   8  1.5   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37=
2200 -23  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23

Does anybody receive G3XBM, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG

From= : victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:19 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test

Thanks for the report lubos,

 

Victor<= /o:p>

-----O= orspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]Namens Lubos= OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15= januari 2010 22:37
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_tes= t

Hell= o LF!

2114 -13  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2114 -18 -0.4   0.503966  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2116  10  1.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

Lubos, OK2BVG

Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

 

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si= ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?

------=_NextPart_000_0380_01CA9631.09B39B50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-a8514b64175f156; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6D5E38000088; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbBRq-0002Ji-UD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbBRq-0002JZ-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbBRp-0000EQ-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from COL122-W37 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:24:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:24:58 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2010 11:24:58.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB10DAA0:01CAA19E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_" Subject: LF: WSPR_PA0A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b64175d0c6d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Albert, LF! Yes, I saw your 4 transmissions well. It is interesting, isn=B4t it! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: westberg@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_JN88KS Hello Lubos, =20 You are receiving my signals even during daylight=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions) =20 73, Albert PA0A=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:33=20 AM Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS =20 Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 =20 Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technolog= i=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s =FA=E8innou antispamovou= ochranou https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Albert, LF!
Yes, I saw your 4 transmissions well. It is interesti= ng, isn=B4t it!

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



From: westberg@xs4all.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_= JN88KS

Hello Lubos,
 
You are receiving my signals even during dayligh= t=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions)
 
73, Albert PA0A 
----- Original= Message -----
From:=20 Lubos= OK2BVG=20
Sent: Sat= urday, January 30, 2010 10:33=20 AM
Subject:= LF: WSPR_JN88KS

Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequen= cy=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously.
GL!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou technolog= i=ED Microsoft = Zaregistrovat

Hotmail:= D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s =FA=E8innou antispamovou ochrano= u Zaregistrovat =3D --_a56855f6-7a88-4f71-a88c-804f679c5c77_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b60b0351af; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:29:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2B8ED380001B4; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFR9-0005SQ-Ou for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFR9-0005SG-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFR6-0006v7-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:28:31 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jan 2010 21:28:17 -0000 Received: from p5DD358AD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.88.173] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 22:28:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CdMMyRIlCXE4wAUDtNb29Bm/Bm1YSg1dj8vgLA6 lvWV8VD+DoIRkk Message-ID: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:27:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48999999999999999,0.47999999999999998 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0381_01CA9F9F.FAF18870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b60b0324bd9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01CA9F9F.FAF18870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This phenomen,or rather bug,has been reported here by several list mem= bers. I have made the same observations. Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to something below 100Hz results in an increase of *reported* SNR of up to around 15dB! I've done some tests with a friend 20km away on 10m and we've found ou= t that the *real* SNR is not improved a bit or in other words an extreme weak wspr signal wh= ich was just below the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW coudn't be decoded with 20Hz BW eit= her. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in= a 1.46Hz noise bandwidth -=20 which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its= most likely based on the=20 fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise= which upsets the frequency=20 bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police, is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contr= ibute to dissolving the=20 nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also= get a significant increase=20 in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR nee= ded to get a positive=20 decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] namens Andy=20 Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is= it a just a case of being=20 in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37= 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb=20 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20= 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb=20 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +2= 3 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb=20 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37= 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb=20 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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This phenomen,or rather bug,has been= reported here=20 by several list members.
I have made the same observations.
Reducing the RX BW from e.g. 250Hz to= something=20 below 100Hz results in
an increase of *reported* SNR of up= to around=20 15dB!
I've done some tests with a friend 20= km away on 10m=20 and we've found out that the *real* SNR
is not improved a bit or in other wor= ds an extreme=20 weak wspr signal which was just below
the decoding threshold in 250Hz BW co= udn't be=20 decoded with 20Hz BW either.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ <= /DIV>
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From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 9:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Rep= orts

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results= in a=20 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and rep= orts=20 upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.&n= bsp; =20 Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted= by pulsed=20 non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process,= and=20 upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <<= A href=3D"mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be">Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
Andy,<= /FONT>
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5= kHz (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR= values=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
V= erzonden: woensdag=20 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR=20 Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 


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login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2010 15:17:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: NOYg0QEVM1k.73hwa0vB0kS2wJBgJSLfKy9PTIM4UlGLV6iGkhFeMqiNn9MbraE8O828yqn3BBP44RnaSFz_CjlePHe4ucEOWeI6Kox0z2otxdPXLUY7OU8iDS11JJMts.PJfDbOlYSrewTcn8.psd16qKSSrBywSNz.Vr4of8vAMb8IRRUC_Hw0rQ1Im3OMVvKBXrvJeGcjLiQF8crcDjmKJXmmy6tsvdeHuaut_1LgTQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:17:45 -0000 Message-ID: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqRPuUuwAe9cHvJS3aFtMA2iW0Jig== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b489e870659 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA913E.E5E12D60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b491789219; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:55:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61815380000B0; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTl8d-0000rj-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTl8c-0000ra-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTl8Z-0001hl-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:54:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13232693bwz.4 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:54:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fRmkBjq5va4S1igT1zJdifATVeGWppXsqEfIrKdiq6c=; b=kzUla6Gwm5A4i9ZN6o31HPk49F/XBboDcpdNTC8SjB3jxppoQDc5lHMdk9glziTXkD CbRYD/a3dthY0wVyG5dQRuqoasA8i5SN0hPeVHnwEJw/T6HsCULqzgEYziCyIcXHRs/X Q4aSsecBbAqSQu1pPBEiB4ehksNOjJbdeRqdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YJgLwNvzH65lky7z0e83LuqVi7M7N+wrLxUa6EhV3WLPVs2+nb8j2KDsHzSXp6zUFX Uj6VTqZBhOmPmAwjpYlLtQm1KKvq3kRjWTnqrVOspD7qpQ5w/KvbaY51lpgH+zAZefLR 60uoq5Dr/o3/gKz0qDQvWrZli5wH7OIU5MUEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.82 with SMTP id r18mr971515bkw.180.1263081264589; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:54:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b4917883e7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especia= lly for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good= ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR= band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night.

73s
Roger G3XBM

h= ttp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015175ccf7a192c80047cc406f2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-86a24b410a0128d; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:20:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E315D38000572; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXqE-0005yZ-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXqE-0005yQ-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRXqB-0002Js-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:26 +0000 Received: from [85.26.183.22] (helo=[10.218.42.13]) by dx.ru with esmtpa auth=ed@dx.ru id 1NRXq4-000OrW-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:18:17 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:17:56 +0300 From: Ed RU6LA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <923288995.20100103211756@dx.ru> To: James Moritz In-Reply-To: <58D88D03341D4CE59776EE2DE82A268C@JimPC> References: <4B40ECC1.27363.1567772@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <606162377.20100103193322@dx.ru> <58D88D03341D4CE59776EE2DE82A268C@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QSO with RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b4109e53180 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim and LF! M0BMU wrote 03.01.2010, 23:46 MSK(GMT+3h): JM> Sorry about the 1/2 QSO on 136k - my TX power supply has a short circu= it, so JM> I am QRT until I can repair it :-( You are currently "O" copy here in JM> QRSS10 sri ur signal was "O" in s3 mode of Argo under first tx, but "M" till "T" under last maybe next time I belive propagation is not so good - very unstable 73! Ed RU6LA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-a8d54b43cc8447; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:34:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 600933800004D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIu2-0005jN-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSIu2-0005jE-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSIu0-0000co-6q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:30 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFADdbQ0tZ8xTj/2dsb2JhbACCFtFqhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,225,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="268423644" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([89.243.20.227]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 23:33:21 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000701ca8e5f$78590e20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4b43cc827667 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy G4JNT wrote:- >Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP side Aren't signals actually up? Similar to last time we had universal white stuff Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andy G4JNT wrot= e:-

>Anyone finding my beacon a bit on the QRP= side

 

Aren’t si= gnals actually up?

 

Similar to last= time we had universal white stuff

 

Eddie

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA8E5F.785B7F20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB071-85f34b50e0aa1b1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:39:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 99A103800009C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtsp-0007XH-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtsp-0007X7-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtsl-0006qC-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:07 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so569428pwj.4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:38:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wCYMf0V2oiHBpJsoDq2eZssKOG3sKTH7WmB/4WPzGQY=; b=FH4tub+B3qae9AkmW5fymruyE2NwScirrXhhVn0i0z330P4egGBRdPbA4S9iDFQ0D4 7rA8c/AjweND25KHDpZbHkQLjiuwTUKWBmtvTXVd91R+picTJWZ5geDURKDr2RY6BNaE s4Ap74HgRc1CRQqvdgbocZOfqDSWI54t+05cM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=p5hXU/5B7Ec5lzFZeGYzFVnvjpbK4SW46+XTIvt67WO1kxB0Q9/p4F5k170b/oRaVL 0iQFZDt8ZelE5gHdvVgAiNrofrTzYXKqREhHIQjeDj4snwwEF0eBGr4NIaiXountiGUl 94Ke8uUkIS9r3Saem44vA60kQdbhcQw4/WSI0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.16 with SMTP id b16mr2096991rvn.96.1263591535546; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:38:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20100115.130019.4068.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <282551.23614.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:38:55 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 92f4aa0ea35be4f8 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001151338v6c39aefj3aa13a82894389a3@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0003255614629e13bb047d3ad462 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b50e0a82266 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --0003255614629e13bb047d3ad462 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 --0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, I regularly get that type of visual image on my captures along the line of the harmonic on 504 kHz, example is attached which occurred on the 12th of this month. I have seen the effect again today fro 1008 to 1140 utc but not as strong. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/15 M0FMT > Too glib > > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not the > mirror image how does that work. Please explain? > How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start event > before its happened it doesn't compute! > > 73 es GL petefmt > > --- On *Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com * wrote: > > > From: riese-k3djc@juno.com > Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55 > > > I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go > the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrier > happens first > the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind of > switcher > at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital > > be interested to find out what it is > > Bob K3DJC > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" < > hudsonville@btinternet.com> > writes: > > Hi All, > > Anyone come across these? > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg > > I have seen them on 80m too in the past. > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > > > --0003255614629e13ae047d3ad460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

I regularly get that type of visual image on my= captures along the line of the harmonic on 504 kHz, example is attached= which occurred on the 12th of this month.

I have= seen the effect again today fro 1008 to 1140 utc but not as strong.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/15 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Too glib
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I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but not= the mirror image how does that work. Please explain?
How can the spread of sideband frequencies colapse onto the start=A0e= vent before its happened it doesn't compute!=A0

73 es GL petefm= t

--- On Fri, 15/1/10, riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@juno.com> wr= ote:

From: riese-k3djc@juno.com <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 17:55


I see similar QRM . centers for me at 180 Kc and will come and go
the interference will be noticed up to 500 Kc. Usually a short carrie= r happens first
the burst usually lasts for 10 sec. I figure mine is from some kind= of switcher
at the hospital / I am right across the street form the hospital
=A0
be interested to find out what it is
=A0
Bob K3DJC
=A0
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 -0000 "Lee Hudson" <hudsonville@btinternet.com>= writes:
Hi All,
=A0
Anyone come across these?
=A0
=A0
I have seen them on 80m too in= the past.
=A0
73,
Lee M0LMH.
=A0
=A0

<= br>____________________________________________________________
Nutrition
Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!


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smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbAja-0008Iv-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:39:25 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0UAdGZU030001 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "Albert" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:39:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14b640cbc339b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, You are receiving my signals even during daylight conditions. (around= 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions) 73, Albert PA0A=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS Hello LF! I started my remote WSPR receiver on frequency 503.900kHz. It will= be on to Monday=B4s morning continuously. GL! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou techn= ologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CAA1A0.D7B89D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Lubos,
 
You are receiving my signals even during dayli= ght=20 conditions. (around 10:00 UTC, I have done 4 transmissions)
 
73, Albert PA0A 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 30,= 2010 10:33=20 AM
Subject: LF: WSPR_JN88KS

Hello LF!
I started my remote WSPR receiver on fre= quency=20 503.900kHz. It will be on to Monday=B4s morning=20 continuously.
GL!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hotmail: D=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba s antispamovou techn= ologi=ED Microsoft Zaregistrovat
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boundary=000e0cd17e7c4d87b6047c2001a8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b3e57c6603b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd17e7c4d87b6047c2001a8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 --000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you. 73 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe > I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd17e7c4d87aa047c2001a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the= two of you.

73

Gary -= G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very= good signals.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174b48ec0430d6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Cor, The issue is not one of RTFM. It's that the "Hotel Alpha Sierra Hotel" algorithm has failed, caused maybe by unusual user input. Lee From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG032-6044b4c6b67312; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:30:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b4c6b67312; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:30:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfsL-0000fe-Cg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfsL-0000fV-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfsK-0000BD-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:33 +0000 Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Uayn1d0041ap0As5EcVRf1; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:25 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UcVa1d00D2DDHkk3icVaWy; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000801ca9382$dfddd850$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <1263293177.2379.6.camel@Slave23> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Brian Long time...glad to see you're still here. What are you up to on LF / MF? Good point. Even a dead carrier conveys information...just not from the transmitting end. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:46 AM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > John, LF > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:16 +0000, John P-G wrote: > > >> Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond >> its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, >> CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information >> transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of >> "self-training in radio communication". > > > A minor point but a 24 hours continuous transmission of unmodulated, gps > disciplined carrier on 137 KHz over 1000Km path (approx) apparently > reveals quite interesting data on propagation dependent phase change if > received appropriately. > > >> Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... > > > Brian CT1DRP > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-86624b3e476ce6; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8070538000103; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmn8-0001S9-7p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQmn7-0001Rz-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQmn6-0005YL-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:04:05 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9598F51C003 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7189531E702 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8912F18056; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from 195.150-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (195.150-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.150.195]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.150.195 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b3e476a4d5b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, indeed the process should be automated. But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the =20 jpeg screen captures. The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the =20 "recent part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web =20 site from a number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint =20 > & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each =20 > upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the =20 > JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on =20 > SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png =20 > & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.bmp =20 > & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, > > maybe more compression in the jpeg. > Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with =20 > little visual impact. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > Hi All, > > Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. > > It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =20 > ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =20 > "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 =20 > uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for =20 > my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads =20 > again. > > Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =20 > regular so as to keep within this upload limit. > > I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. > > 73 es HNY > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI034-eac14b5cb17b264; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:45:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C177B380001AC; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9KM-0001Nz-Nn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ9KM-0001No-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ9KL-0002VK-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C8D51C001 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EF2F3862 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2667818056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124214445.ajj23cvao04k80s0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:44:45 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000001ca9d16$4512c5e0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5cb1796037 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Eddie, the signal is up and down in the QSB, but I had several complete =20 copies of your call is FSK. With some patience a QSO would be possible. Just let men know when you want to try. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting g3zjo : > Hi Rik > > That is good news I just checked the e-mail in box as dusk was falling. > I think I left it on QRSS10, I will check. When you get copy I can go to > QRSS3. > In its present state it is just an MEPT, it can be manually key-able I > shall have to sort that one out. If only to please Mal. > > I have been modelling my antenna since you did G3XBM's yesterday, I am > not skilled with models on 500KHz at all. It does look that I may have > done a rather good thing by rule of thumb. > > 73 > > Eddie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 24 January 2010 15:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > Eddie, > > first traces of your signal showing up, with almost 2 hours to go to > sunset. > Too weak to read anything but I can see the FSK. > Are you interested in a QSO (if the signal comes through this evening)= ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting g3zjo : > >> Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your >> grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the >> period of the screenshot. >> >> I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen >> it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK >> Grabbers. >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT >> Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi Eddie, >> >> I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what >> appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc >> IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at >> 1245utc. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/24 g3zjo > >> Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the >> MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. >> >> Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I >> will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. >> >> 73 >> >> >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>] On Behalf Of Dave >> G3WCB >> Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - >> >> Hi, Eddie. >> >> Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is >> about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a >> Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth >> >> By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which >> contains elements of both modes! >> >> (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and >> drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. >> With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on >> mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org .org> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org acksheep.org>]On Behalf Of >> g3zjo >> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 >> To: >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; >> GQRP@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin >> Hi All >> >> I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. >> Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- >> >> Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the >> standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my >> signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. >> Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR >> signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the >> same time. >> >> Frequency 503.22KHz >> >> Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of > 5/5/5 Morse >> >> Power 500mW at 50 Ohms >> >> Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts >> >> Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical >> >> ERP >1mWatt >> >> >> >> Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/22/10 19:33:00 >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: >> 01/24/10 07:33:00 >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 > 07:33:00 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-a2144b543b5e252; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:43:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B5FC3800007D; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWp45-0000Ow-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWp45-0000On-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWp42-00069Q-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:33 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so8911bwz.29 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:42:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8ARi+Yn7/yOPNlkpqftAGVjip+CDicNUVlRdJbnj3JE=; b=sKdSyBZF92ZyqL0MbaMRTetVoZ4XejFVJOe5wcoB20xi7DOZs9MJVy06YMjx42IOqu aX0W+4co5DsmDnyfcqp/G6lYUmB8f7SeCTbBvnX577Q6lSYEJbeSFRh9UBMOYLAnqNbS qjpCgTvL5ahRXRpN4b+r+lultQT+p7rGroJis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I6h1jQckZLdLON+MHbE+MSFQPGQHEu10DOuNFyfmNV7WA7RGvCRkJRbk4MsLJsTjwt fFkPEb2OythSbbG1bYNpW4hvSOfA7p1DUQVeWJNU4/RkfUgiDuZeje9Z6DwJGQBuqZkC gU3Gf4Tn8xgaA6OBpARV7uYCQV9WU+ct+EiYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.35.4 with SMTP id n4mr2731789bkd.32.1263811341968; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:42:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001180242v47ec687duf9fe3403ea251b13@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b543b5c7a35 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Checking the database, shows I also logged* WE2XGR/2* several times overnight: 2010-01-18 06:38 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 05:44 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 05:30 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:54 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:50 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:46 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -29 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:42 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 04:22 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:54 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:46 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -28 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:36 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -26 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:14 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -26 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:08 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 03:06 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 02:36 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 2010-01-18 01:32 * WE2XGR/2 * 0.511550 -27 0 FN31is 50 G3XBM JO02dg 5450 51 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Checking the database, shows I also logged WE2XGR/2 several times= overnight:

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Roger G3XBM

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--00032555a04e19e3c2047d6e0260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-a1904b56d72f1d5; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:13:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3EFC1380000AA; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXXXR-0005t0-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXXXR-0005sr-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXXXN-0004N1-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoMAP1lVktOkZ3H/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAc5hhDYE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,309,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299729197" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.157.199]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 10:11:36 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000401ca99b8$f33eece0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FW: [GQRP] FYI: WebSDR upgraded; now with more bands (incl. 500kHz). Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b56d72d5ba8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Niels - And very impressive it is. Could you give us some idea of the >> antenna(s) in use? Are there individual antennas for each band, or is it >> some form of wide band receiving antenna? >We have a single antenna for all the bands, a 80m longwire, mainly >because the WebSDR hardware has only one input for its entire 0..30MHz >range. Very impressive Niels, my 200uW ERP signal was Spotted 3 times last night. 2010-01-20 04:30 G3ZJO 0.503841 -25 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 2010-01-20 02:40 G3ZJO 0.503838 -23 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 2010-01-20 00:30 G3ZJO 0.503833 -29 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 TWENTE/SDR JO32kf 527 327 Not my best DX on the band but that is 2,635000 Km, 1,635000 Miles per Watt of ERP to your 80m Longwire and SDR. Unfortunately my indicated power level +17dBm 50mW is merely an arbitrary figure, hard coded as WSPR does not cope with the actual power. 73 Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>>Niels -= And very impressive it is. Could you give us some idea of the
>> antenna(s) in use? Are there individual antennas for each ban= d, or is it
>> some form of wide band receiving antenna?

 

>We have a= single antenna for all the bands, a 80m longwire, mainly
>because the WebSDR hardware has only one input for its entire 0..3= 0MHz
>range.

Very impressive= Niels, my 200uW ERP signal was Spotted 3 times last night.

 

2010-01-20 04:30  G3Z= JO  0.503841  -25  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327

2010-01-20 02:40  G3Z= JO  0.503838  -23  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327

2010-01-20 00:30  G3Z= JO  0.503833  -29  0  IO92ng&n= bsp; +17  0.050  TWENTE/SDR  JO32kf=   527  327 

 

Not my best DX= on the band but that is 2,635000 Km, 1,635000 Miles per Watt of ERP to your 80m Longwire and= SDR.

Unfortunately= my indicated power level +17dBm 50mW is merely an arbitrary figure, hard coded as WSPR does not= cope with the actual power.

 

73

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA99B8.F33EECE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-863b4b4213db22e; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:14:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBD8A38027D1D; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpWy-0008Uf-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRpWy-0008UW-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpWv-0007Rh-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:11:44 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACEB7B8057 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:11:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96D831E702 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:11:31 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:11:36 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100104161131.D96D831E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30273507==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b4213700659 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_30273507==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ZWF At 16:56 4/01/2010, you wrote: >ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Roger Lapthorn >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM >Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >Mal - GROW UP. > >2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> >This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic >set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them >growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check >data base once a year for possible hits. >I am surprised it is not more popular. >Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW >and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. >de G3KEV > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Roger Lapthorn >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > >Mal, > >Some suggestions: >More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a >time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just >a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation >and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave >plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband >conversational modes. >Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), >is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good >idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance >DX if interference to weak signals is likely. >You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and >moan less". >73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > >Roger G3XBM > > > > >2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> >I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs >wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of >us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot >understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow >band allocation. >The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >Does anyone else have an opinion? >G3KEV > > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_30273507==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" ZWF

At 16:56 4/01/2010, you wrote:
ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net >
This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW.
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net >
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 




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It is not= dissimilar to the techniques used in the ITU Recomendations. Bear in mind= that was done for 136 and 500 maybe/is different!! I cant find the paper at the moment but I have a very interesting paper fr= om Jack Belrose VE2CV a long time professional LF expert in this area and= the methods employed are somewhat similar but the calculations are somewh= at more sophisticated and include for instance, an ionospheric "focussing= effect". Basically calculate the free-space strength and then apply extra= attenuation for the ionospheric effects. These vary with time-of-day, sea= son and state of the Solar Cycle. Conditions are very good at the moment. But also use Reg Edwards ground-wave calculator to check that the strength= of the ground wave is insignificant. All the best calculations that the ITU spends a fortune collecting can onl= y estimate the level of QRM a transmitter is likely to give, for a certain= percentage of the year, to co-frequency stations which are out of its nor= mal coverage area. They are not intended to give an accurate measure of re= ceived signal strength. The best you can do is to estimate the peak levels= , but these may be up to 6dB enhanced by constructive interference between= two different paths (say 1 hop plus 2 hop) There should be no difference in the one hop signal depending on the groun= d parameters at mid range. There could be quite big differences due to gro= und parameters at bothe the transmit and receive sites. There can be a "fo= cussing" effect at receive stations which are on or very close to the coas= t. Then again is the ground is poor by the transmitter the low angle signa= l will be attenuated so you will be dependent on high angle radiation whic= h is more heavily absorbed that grazing/tangential signals (which give the= longest hops) In conclusion there is not an equation you can pump numbers into that will= give a realistic picture of the potential strength of the received signal= an any given distance. I remember being told that trans-Atlantic transmis= sion was not possible with only one watt ERP, when I started discussing it= with the "two Dave's" and Peter. The feeling it was possible was arrived= at by monitoring CFH in Halifax Nova Scotia every night for several month= s and estimating what 1W ERP would do compared with 15 to 20kW ERP on the= Canadian station. It did need the "gain" of QRSS3 and a following wind...= ...but it worked! That was before I understood the effect of geomagnetic= events properly. =20 So keep plugging, the collection of reliable data is what Experimental Lic= ences are for !! remember this is NOT an amateur band and some seem to thi= nk! Best wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given= power on WSPR > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "Roge= r Lapthorn" > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 21:54 > Roger, Jim, >=20 > On Alan's (G3NYK) website (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/simple= .htm) I > found: >=20 > Allow for an extra "hop loss" of 12dB for every ionospheric > "reflection" and 6dB for a land "bounce", say about 1dB for > a sea "bounce". >=20 > Thus an extra hop would "cost" 13 to 18dB (+ free space > loss ?) >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : >=20 > > Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) > for a single hop Rik? > >=20 > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.32]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b4ad84ba1; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:50:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCBEF3800008C; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUF1Y-0008Pq-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUF1X-0008Ph-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:15 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUF1V-0007by-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:15 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100111074907.BELM17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:07 +0000 Received: from [86.26.81.210] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUF1P-0001Zp-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:07 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <009901ca9292$8af59030$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqSQEXLqiwFjgurTG+b8vaV/qFWsQAUfU/Q X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=4l1WGFfXCcEA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=QHmaMqTK01RwgcQgm2kA:9 a=mpr5X5t6H6isbUhHlKAA:7 a=nKFS9-LMFsN0FTqmjXt92G9DWQwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=dzLfvetyajkGp6hO:21 a=T4ciHTu6PHiYiQQS:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41204b4ad8493a8e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF, Thanks to all for the informative answers. It's a bit like working with Pharmaceutical Regulators whose stock answer is "it depends"!! Seriously thanks loads With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 10 January 2010 21:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Dear Jim, LF Group, The main variables involved are: TX ERP TX directional pattern (probably only if a TX loop is used) Distance - leading to "geometric" propagation losses Other propagation losses - for DX signals, basically due to ionospheric effects Band noise level at the receiver Directional patttern of RX antenna Received SNR required for mode in use It is difficult to make a direct calculation because some of these are not known to any great level of confidence - in particular, the "other" ionospheric propagation losses, and the band noise level at a particular receiver. Noise levels can be determined by field strength measurements, although few people have done this - my best estimate at M0BMU is about 3uV/m in 2.5kHz bandwidth under quiet conditions, although obviously varying with time of day, band conditions, direction etc. There does not seem to be much info available for ionospheric losses at LF/MF - this is of course part of the motivation for using modes such as WSPR to probe propagation. But you can be sure that simply extrapolating results with closer stations to long distances won't give a reliable answer - there is no simple relation between loss and distance. But on a practical level, you can use the WSPR database to get a fairly good idea of how much TX ERP you need to be received by particular stations, e.g. WD2XSH/17 has spotted M0BMU 40 times during the past week, with SNR between -31dB and -16dB, but quite frequently around -25dB . G7NKS is a similar distance and path, so the same ERP (estimated at 2W for M0BMU) should give similar results. If you would be content with rather fewer spots at around -30dB, close to the minimum for WSPR, you could reduce the ERP by about 5dB, or perhaps even 10dB reduction (200mW) if you would be happy with just the odd 1 or 2 spots at peaks in the propagation - this is the kind of level G4JNT is running, and has indeed been spotted a couple of times at WD2XSH/17. You could do a similar kind of estimate with other stations, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cowburn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b4a4d4c268; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:57:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BDCA380000BE; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5mA-0005uO-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5m9-0005uF-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:45 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5m8-0001I0-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:56:45 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277587B804B for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48C31E702 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8006C18056; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20100110225629.03sdjquj4844ckgw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:56:29 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> <00c001ca9237$2e000410$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001101328n36ce5f07sc9611886b2a9bb74@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4a4d4b5f7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, if you take the real path the radiowaves have travelled (up en down =20 the ionosphere) you might have exceeded 1000km ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Very many thanks for these reports Clemens. Can you persuade some =20 > friends10-20kms further away to listen? :-)) > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 Clemens Paul > >> Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, > > I'm afraid one of us two will have to move his qth or antenna by 10km.= -:) > Anyway, new distance record for you! > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > 2010-01-09 00:02 G3XBM 0.503897 -23 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 00:54 G3XBM 0.503893 -25 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:00 G3XBM 0.503896 -22 1 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:10 G3XBM 0.503893 -18 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:16 G3XBM 0.503895 -23 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:32 G3XBM 0.503894 -24 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 01:52 G3XBM 0.503889 -22 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 02:12 G3XBM 0.503887 -25 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 02:40 G3XBM 0.503894 -20 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > 2010-01-09 03:08 G3XBM 0.503888 -22 0 =20 > JO02dg 0.001 DL4RAJ JN68kj 990 111 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:54 AM > Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight > > My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking =20 > especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome =20 > "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the =20 > WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > ________________________________ > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.131/2609 - Ausgabedatum: =20 > 01/09/10 08:35:00 > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b62314cd4; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:52:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F115F380001AB; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf5C-0004qz-L1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naf5C-0004qq-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naf5A-0003lB-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 32927 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264726286; bh=YC0CqQ+SrmMR7rOWG8lU0oFvv8RBmnNOfROya4qVZn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3QFJ7lSI5ZriJ63V1TnU9SxCpff91mftOvuFqFpcC1pgqbDiJ4oEx484nLRcLVEC3HTqWuKMZ5b37DdU6OwKf8TPAsrAAXtq0bSVzDHYKcAW82V0MhUJxqbXKEOkxYdKHeGeK7JmalRUdHblyb77/ak9e7TaJ5RR3jDkesXLHJk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QLyPXLEkv2NY32ghmEr4HVFaqAoh6202om3BLZRIHjEdVHEDJCujymWcpboUjxQmWb/umiJ+qK5CkcmzlzeVLVllExFVVO1DH14C6jerHu6wNuepHJebrMDcFdKy1KNNvd0px3KH6nNwsSsO6d42yzdKGCljDZL9u/c3ADeFpxM=; Message-ID: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yC4CaTgVM1l2vOKwFe0oJ17w.q6vkmN3bYBEqcmnfO6i1vpSdafWGh7l4ZdwE4y1I3q6IeTYxT8e3oa.titSqc85UyDPx1o5yFFjAI_9LG.icwxz2yQmfVYyUKFSe9JuYgtWXXenB9jTuBZC0QXyoDfyghoEuwZDMG6TzQuoUiaxDZkV0GgxPRjA1nWCkQFvFpe3Kj94pdQmT7eI9CE8gNj7Set.a8issIzbbtPu_8xAn1BecwYSMGZbpQlwA8YD6Fx2SqZGIE1bEsAtkLwTTpW9zkhGaNyN Received: from [81.131.35.157] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:51:26 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b62314a5164 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a254b539c20a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:24:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254b539c20a0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWeSc-0002uX-7l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWeSb-0002uO-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeSa-0001Jg-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4270134147 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID932oaqXw85638X02; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:59 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID932oaqXw85638X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.213.62] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 415oaqXw77872M39; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:22:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.213.62 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B539BCF.2020303@usa.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:22:55 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID415oaqXw77872X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: G4JNT WSPR + QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Checked for a couple of hours on dial 510 kHz, but no decodes... Then switched to a visual examination of the band segment, and saw Andy's WSPR signal (which did decode) and the two QRSS signals of DI2AM and OK0EMW. The band looked remarkably clean this evening, no QRM nor QRN. Screen capture here http://www.sdradio.eu/images/500kHz.jpg as it was too big for the size limits of this list. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b50e4481c1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C78043800081C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu7l-000847-2A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVu7k-00083n-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:32 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl ([194.134.42.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVu7i-0003cV-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:54:32 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823A466297 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:54:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4B50E1D9.2050905@toya.net.pl> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,LINES_OF_YELLING, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24b50e44641a2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks piotr, nice to see my small antenna does something, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Piotr M=B3ynarski Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:45 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test victor13@online.nl wrote: Hello Lubos, later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive decodes, 73 Victor PA3FNY Dear Victor, LF Group despite consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with my= first successful decode of ur wspr signal : 2020 -17 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2032 -13 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2042 -11 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2050 -12 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2056 -28 -0.6 0.503970 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2058 -17 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2108 -13 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2116 -13 1.3 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2124 -14 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2134 -13 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 73, Piotr= , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks piotr,
 
nice=20 to see my small antenna does something,
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Piotr=20 M=B3ynarski
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 22:45
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE:=20 WSPR_test

victor13@online.nl wrote:= =20
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later=20 this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positiv= e=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
Dear=20 Victor, LF Group

despite  consistent decodes of a PA0A= signal i am=20 very glad with  my first successful decode
of ur wspr signa= l=20 :

2020 -17  1.1   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33= 37
2032=20 -13  0.9   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2042 -11&= nbsp;=20 0.9   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2050 -12 =20 1.1   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2056 -28 -0.6 =  =20 0.503970  0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2058 -17  1.0  =20 0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 37
2108 -13  1.0   0.50= 3903 =20 0 PA0A JO33 37
2116 -13  1.3   0.503903  0 PA= 0A JO33=20 37
2124 -14  1.2   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33 372134=20 -13  1.2   0.503903  0 PA0A JO33=20 37

         &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;=20 73, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz=20 /jo91rs/

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CA9635.B003E9C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a1e4b5780123dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4b5780123dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXin7-0000ns-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXin7-0000ni-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXin5-0008Um-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:12:45 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC1D20000064 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6916120000063 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B577FD9.9010108@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:12:41 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060108090108080401060407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=CONGRATULATIONS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060108090108080401060407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Dear Lubos, Roger, Congratulations! for both of you! You both deserve a big ,big glass of beer. But... in my previous mail to Roger issued 2 hours ago i have predicted that this 1000 km barrier breaking might happen this night so i do believe that you two, Gentlemen allow me to join you with a very very small glass... :) again, CONGRATULATIONS! yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------060108090108080401060407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136=A0 -7=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503874=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5=A0=A0 0.503910= =A0 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Dear Lubos, Roger,
Congratulations!=A0 for both of you!
You both deserve a big ,big glass of beer. But...
in my previous mail to Roger=A0 issued 2 hours ago i have predicted=A0 tha= t this 1000 km barrier=A0 breaking=A0 might happen this night
so i do believe that you two, Gentlemen=A0 allow me to join you with a very very small glass... :)
again, CONGRATULATIONS!
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------060108090108080401060407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-86534b3e5cb79e; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:36:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1611E380094EF; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQo39-000261-Uk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQo39-00025s-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQo37-0005tm-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so30414945pxi.30 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:24:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lkSYE6HnGHR0x90vOe0JJeYDQxUpQlLvi9QwBN0jMXY=; b=Mw9i9lfGThTitDugmHSqxmHAdIv5GYdoqyhgX3nsCxssUq6SOGhqQlUiXQX/niBo9h qHAm9DYc7to/puW2Z52D1g/3TX5uKa2NEW8VZPbO2Udgt3vaDhNEeGbFERMu+/CyuPPn APuDkIibo6qBIOOXomY3HmRljvXMKIgUPcZRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lKh7MkxtnygG8wLonTFBNdMaolnpiSSqqEo8ajiKqQ7VnL3nj0B7kHmbGSg4b6FbnE JL1xyC+xdlE9c8XRWYLUtULfcCt2Pfvh5OLgY3kyCpXuVNck6/s5q1u9VvVTCsa1W6dV ERWKuoRLjyjvbuqUHLHJnrTbTHRSv6HMSsEoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.91.9 with SMTP id t9mr10332041rvl.127.1262377472061; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:24:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:24:31 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67761ef87c3f909c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001011224k58a59c86hb7b97e7405b5000e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4b3e5a57795c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Reduced the SpecLab capture to 40% quality but they still look quite good. In fact the clip I sent via your last mail re: your QSO was cut from one of those captures. The general size range is from 100 to 125kb which is about half the previous capture size so could be OK at that. I have also found that using the multi-colour palettes (I was using Sunrise) increases the file size. I am now using my own palette edit again (black to yellow), it seems to give a good contrast. BTW, not familiar with JavaScript either :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > indeed the process should be automated. > But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the jpeg > screen captures. > The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the "recent > part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web site from a > number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Rik, >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint & it >> does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each upload ie. two >> at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the JPG at capture time by >> lowering the JPEG quality percentage on SpecLab. I have taken care of the >> G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png & the file is only a few kb's rather >> than 10's of kb's using *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 >> minutes. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> Gary, >> >> maybe more compression in the jpeg. >> Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little >> visual impact. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. >> >> It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the >> ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted >> service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I >> expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient >> to allow my regular uploads again. >> >> Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so >> as to keep within this upload limit. >> >> I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. >> >> 73 es HNY >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Reduced the SpecLab capture to 40% quality but the= y still look quite good. In fact the clip I sent via your last mail re: yo= ur QSO was cut from one of those captures.

The ge= neral size range is from 100 to 125kb which is about half the previous cap= ture size so could be OK at that. I have also found that using the multi-c= olour palettes (I was using Sunrise) increases the file size. I am now usi= ng my own palette edit again (black to yellow), it seems to give a good co= ntrast.

BTW, not familiar with JavaScript either :-((

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
Gary,

indeed the process should be automated.
But as you mention SpecLab has a selectable compression rate for the jpeg= screen captures.
The upload steam could be further reduced by uploading only the "rece= nt part" of the screen grab and composing the picture on the web site= from a number of grabs. Should be possible with JavaScript.


73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint =A0&a= mp; it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each = =A0upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the= =A0JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on =A0Spec= Lab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png =A0&= the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.= bmp & =A0uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>>

Gary,

maybe more compression in the jpeg.
Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with =A0little= visual impact.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment.
It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =A0 ISP= /web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =A0 "restrict= ed service" which is only allowing about 5 =A0 uploads/downloads each= day. I expect that it will take some time for =A0my average to come down= sufficient to allow my regular uploads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =A0 regu= lar so as to keep within this upload limit.

I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.












--000e0cd11028cb713f047c20281d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654b4506e41a; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:55:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A149380000E7; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdqA-0000Fh-5F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdq9-0000FX-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdq7-0002Ff-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 181741C00087 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0AF801C00089 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.160]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B1A5A1C00087 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:54:42 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100106215442727.B1A5A1C00087@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <398568D1C20C4F53AA1C90834EBC1CA8@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:54:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Wide data signal 499 USB ??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b4506e24725 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quite strong data signal on 499 usb .. with deep qsb =20 any one else copy this ? G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Quite strong  data  signal= on 499 usb ..=20 with deep  qsb 
any one else  copy this ?=
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0108_01CA8F1A.D3FC7620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.32]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-5ef94b651004ff; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:07:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5925738000201; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbRzq-00072N-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbRzp-00072E-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:17 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbRzo-0003zq-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:05:17 +0000 Received: from COL122-W56 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:05:08 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:05:09 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2010 05:05:08.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5CA70B0:01CAA232] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_" Subject: LF: WSPR_XBM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41204b65100338a2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF! You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS last night. My PC decod= ed your signal: 0344 -26 1.3 0.503898 0 G3XBM JO02 0 I hope, I will see your signal in the night again. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu= =BEba https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=3D60969=3D --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF!
You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS las= t night. My PC decoded your signal:

0344 -26  1.3   0.503898  0 G3XBM JO02= 0

I hope,= I will see your signal in the night again.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1= a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu=BEba Zaregistrovat =3D --_5016cc16-6e28-49cc-aa31-d6bc5aafbdf6_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-90d4b46f1db341; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:50:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD065-90d4b46f1db341; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:50:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAWK-0004BD-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTAWK-0004B4-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTAWJ-00031f-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:48:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 80523 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2010 08:48:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262940509; bh=wXF1gVu4hgutKXKyRbK1HbEZTwwi6gXbyChQ64rsFWM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CGSAsaRvlbArg74qFORocdTfUfY2hma4qZO9LXtnKrxU2guVS5m8gvV6JcfGqrCWLzgbQkyWVGMp1A7KossmgrvGapwqzpYEdnDkQL6hZbHM1WdLIgFt1Iezm45JNLnUvs9GdkPswQilYbcAORJj6i4FU/6+2enuqpCSogx6knw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m8AK1LMMuSE+EXjbnK8BrJc0knmfWOuY8/M9oNWTi4/ZqnvjEA4z5kWhmuDLPAJHaU07ARKYcS/DQ+p0X82wH2p/BQ6f+h9850NCZNioFGyup1G7NOlDJzU/zsIEBvRZW8g8/n5a4OfSvBb+MHAsanLUmIIPONIw/DvgCIL0FVA=; Message-ID: <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PbT2JCcVM1nhhEAaR49TudU.zds8BLtyxLHPCXaRXTKpvu6D.sp7CoqkmRezSGL1pyzYkyzjqIoMpQsj4rEx7ew3ZTeFO.PdkO4crdcohGaQ70BYqwfH.JGPmYjEgjIxQqraAGUcvyq9k0MaZyglo_abcL59ROJ4_ODtq6QS2sry4GOfOYh2F23wXZvuQTITIM4HEAqpP9htk3RBGMu0X.MNvo3LE_qDTdHjWjqlfYW3fEUQ58y4.MREr21MghUKAjcH.sdCEoRDkkGycHM- Received: from [86.142.154.134] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:48:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d263.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF =A0 For those who don't yet know all the WSPR=A0reception reports=A0by suitabl= y equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and= can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual= database way. =A0 URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots 73 es=A0HNY petefmt --- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo wrote: From: g3zjo Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over Europe. Eddie G3ZJO =20 --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF
 
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports = ;by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost rea= l time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in= the usual database way.
 
URL is ..... http= ://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt
<= BR>--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wr= ote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Su= bject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18

WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01= .2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous repo= rts from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO




=20 --0-1863615884-1262940509=:80520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a334b58c5fb152; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:24:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG095-a334b58c5fb152; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:24:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Uo-0007dv-TZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Uo-0007dm-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4Ul-0000QW-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:18 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so279961pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YDlvMN0P5nhkkQeIg/MLT7VYIAwYQatFymNT4y/WsnE=; b=ffLTOdO4YY1nOgPNCktPlcvThVU2MczNcZt4FnyTAKAuN+vFWF2SV8IX+GSu8X7lRA Gz5jzf1it8PVwff8nFRiZempzhrMlXkE2K3HZXQbdqWvldiRHCZ9Ut8+6pl2p9SXvfkx jH3uQC7ArvwF3B0m3amrbVeUEXFyr4gXL2PMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nQQo3wRINWs8ipRymDMJnalh75cLlRYd+Op62OSIm/isayobnaNu49dClMiY5w782J e3v4mXA931nf8vZ3qRfxqse+bocP1jbJUnnklRHQ9M0eXoHPdNHeWG7gx8gBKCwBRNvO RUqMzkup1NOotC/tJAqWXW6KgwlLvHbguudzU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.180.6 with SMTP id c6mr1394393rvf.73.1264108988487; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:23:08 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b42ec7ca9b545f34 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211323p6eaee17btf91cdddf42e58cac@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Whoever is calling me is not decoding, good signal strength, even netted but nil. Going to restart the software & try again. The CW ID is just to fast for me, think it ends with "OU" 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each >> even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >> >> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >> replies. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > --000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Whoever is calling me is not decoding, good signal= strength, even netted but nil.

Going to restart= the software & try again.

The CW ID is just= to fast for me, think it ends with "OU"

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

Station calling ab= out 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

= Gary - G4WGT.



2= 010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.





--000e0cd1a8683758a5047db34f09-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b6d4b474e901e6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:26:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD037-b6d4b474e901e6; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:26:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTGha-0005Bm-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTGha-0005Bd-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTGhY-0005vb-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:24:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAKjcRktOldmO/2dsb2JhbACNQgbHB4QvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,242,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="417592669" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.217.142]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jan 2010 15:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01ca9076$a9cf3470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:22:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis I wondered why u did not reply. Here several inches of snow on grnd an= d snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affected=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. Hi all, I have called CQ several times this past week on 500kHz and may have= got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ but their transmission= s blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby railway overhead line= equipment. Sorry if I missed your calls. Keep warm and 73, Dennis M0JXM ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis
I wondered why u did not reply. Here= several inches=20 of snow on grnd and snowing at present. Fortunately antennas not affec= ted=20
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 08, 201= 0 12:10=20 PM
Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on= railway=20 overhead lines.

Hi all,
 
I have called CQ several times this= past week on=20 500kHz and may have got a reply, possibly Mal G3KEV and Chas G3DXZ= but their=20 transmissions blotted out by QRM caused by frost on nearby rail= way=20 overhead line equipment.    Sorry if I missed your=20 calls.
 
Keep warm and 73, Dennis=20 M0JXM
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA9076.5F789880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.28]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b5cc33f3c5; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:01:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 31ED03800020F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAVV-00027v-L7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAVV-00027m-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAVS-00033j-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:33 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2E8E21C00082 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 209D91C00083 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CC7721C00082 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:00:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124220024837.CC7721C00082@mwinf3413.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:00:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411c4b5cc33d4810 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > > Graham, > > I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kH= z. > MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while,= but=20 > only for short time. > I will let the software run for some time and let you know is somet= hing=20 > meaningfull comes out. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >> >> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >> >> G .. >> >> From: Graham >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the = same=20 >> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how sma= ll the=20 >> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software acce= pted=20 >> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be you=20 >> will get a decode soon ? >> >> tnx G >> >> From: Lubos OK2BVG >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Hello Graham, LF! >> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >> 73! >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG >> >> ________________________________ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >> >> download link :- >> >> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >> >> G .. >> >> From: Lubos OK2BVG >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Hello Graham, LF! >> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >> >> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >> >> ________________________________ >> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >> >> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >> >> Set dial 501.500 : USB >> Audio set 1500 Hz >> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >> >> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line= ! >> >> Reports ? >> >> Tnx - Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD?= Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD=20 >> informace. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten pr= av=C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD=20 >> informace. >> >> >> >> > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b58d10bd3; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4761C38000181; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5EP-0008DV-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY5EO-0008DM-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:24 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY5EL-0000kl-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:24 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so602639pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YtPWJcoZwzQzB3veh3TIYa02M6QwKtFTWSJoUvpWEm4=; b=beqDbIDmykeeLqTVrkfMMtemBP+IDNaamGkSvHAV13PbQlGEceO3WppB7RBqHlep2F DH+npYL43QhB1toix98iHKQam4fm8AZHKdoQ5Qin3z+7IxfpUaJAHx029RYDJAUBuM5N 8evCkqtbJO8Z76rmsrbyfAH07/AtAylljK7xQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=m49lUqN730587IaYkt8ajSNG7IZGhZS1MVBGtu+QVnPcKyFyQ6kqeHLD4FERNO8kcX /hRvqgsOItX6d3Sgbk5Vi+qBimETo6LG8zGIjfcWFtnveKJncz/5OnEHtB3Uy0Q50mED pHSd2rgAogUXypfnecgDXaeJcSETlZNssAsMM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr1437517rvb.75.1264111814796; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b723f5f1d94c7dff Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b58d1097bca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK Andy, Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say that is OK. I will try again tomorrow. Thanks again. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not > B...G. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> Andy, >> >> You wrote :- >> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >> >> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >> in the manual. >> >> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >> that of any help to me? >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >> >> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>> >>>>> LF, >>>>> >>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>> >>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>>> replies. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Andy,

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it= set for JT4A, I am currently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.
<= br>
Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are= both set for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close= to 1.0003. I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Th= anks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you= have got JT4A set haven't you?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.








--000e0cd23c2aad66a2047db3f723-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b45c1781ba; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:11:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A35843800008B; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqFr-0001Sa-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqFq-0001SR-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqFn-0003Sx-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:10:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuoEACNPRUtOlAEb/2dsb2JhbACIJskMgiKCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,234,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="411963434" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.1.27]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jan 2010 11:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:10:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b45c176291a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MF grp This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if someone thinks it is NE from EU. There has been some rare DX acty on 500, mostly Beacons around Xmas and N. Year. This band seems to be infested with Beacons and ofcourse get reported via the internet. On other amateur bands they would be ignored. If 500 was QSO mode only perhaps it would discourage this type of activity. 500 seems to be fair game for some as far as UNID beacons are concerned de G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th > test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or > other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on 500 > G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-99c4b58bb2982; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:38:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b58bb2982; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:38:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lx-00075C-UT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3lx-000753-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3lv-0000F7-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:36:57 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB667B802A; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0E5F3862; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id BD22918056; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from 183.54-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (183.54-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.54.183]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20100121213644.sbqj435ce8k8w0cs@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:36:44 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roger Lapthorn References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.54.183 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roger, path lengths (earth surface): G3XBM: 337km G3ZJO: 411km G4JNT: 420km But I assume that at night time it is ionospheric propagation, where =20 the path loss is mainly determined by attenuation and reflection loss =20 in the ionosphere. When using daytime (groundwave) signals one would indeed need to take =20 the distance (and terrain) into account. For ionospheric propagation the take-off angle of the antenna is also =20 important. A low take-off angle will give better signals at long =20 distance and might give the impression of low ERP at short distance. So, as said in my previous mail: all figures given are give or take =20 some dB's (although far less than 100dB). It would be interesting to do the same exercise for other RX stations, =20 the "raw data" are available at wsprnet.org ... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Hi Rik, > > This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW =20 > ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well =20 > for last night. My ERP was based on (a) field strength measurements =20 > done some time ago by M0BMU and (b) calculations based on my =20 > estimate of effective height and antenna current. I estimated it as =20 > being in the region of 500uW to 2mW but Jim seemed to believe the =20 > 1mW ERP was a fair estimate with quite large error margins. It would =20 > be interesting to know if M0BMU still believes the 1mW ERP is a =20 > correct figure. I have not made any further improvements since Jim's =20 > last estimates some 6-8 weeks ago. > > What is the path length difference between us all over to you? That =20 > will also have some effect on the relative levels. > > BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: =20 > "Terman's Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) > stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water =20 > was 1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/21 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, > > the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org =20 > web site is that a lot af data is available. > I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from =20 > the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied =20 > at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: > I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then =20 > is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less =20 > important. > > * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger= ) > 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference =20 > of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's =20 > (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) > > * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of An= dy) > 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that =20 > Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ? > But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) =20 > 120mW as well ... > > * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy= ) > Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) > > All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: > Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > > Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, =20 > my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > > 73 > > Eddie G3ZJO > > -----Original Message----- > From: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy =20 > Talbot > Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM > > Congratulations, "water pistol" > 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG > > Hello Roger, LF! > This moment is just now: > > 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > > 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > > Congratulation! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > ________________________________ > Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED = =20 > informace. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: =20 > 01/19/10 17:49:00 > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.151]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF044-8be84b58455f29; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:15:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11AA138000061; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXvvE-0004u5-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXvvE-0004tw-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXvvB-0005jt-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0LCDoFR021894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:43:50 -0330 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:43:50 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <4513F3E78C5B4BB8BF77467CC2566B97@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 21-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40974b58455d4b03 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny. 73 Joe On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hello Joe,LF > Nice capture and also audible, > best 73s > Henny pa3cpm. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 21-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-5eed4b4c6ce92b; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:36:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 75DFC3800026C; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfyT-0000nV-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfyT-0000nM-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfyR-0000FE-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:35:53 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CCZmbM018471 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:48 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:49 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:35:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A95@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A95@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Thread-Index: AcqTfmedapAbHhDEQd2LNkSnFu7eTQAAsMAW References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B4C625C.4080501@telia.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.671;11.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.122417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9383.C36DE375" Subject: AW: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b4c6ce41c9a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9383.C36DE375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Jahan, tnx. =20 I do not use an output transformer in my E PAs, rather a simple coil (whic= h becomes the biggest part of the PA on 137kHz when losses should be less= :-) ), i mean a LC transformer.=20 OK, i understand what you mean about the harmonics. But are the harmonics= such a problem? I use a standard 4 pole lowpass filter and harmonics were= n't ever been a real problem. Even without a LP filter the wave looks asto= nishing sinus like ;-), at least at Z=3DR=3D50 Ohm. Additional complexity will be on the driver side (?) but that is an intere= sting concept! I have never thought about that. Are there no problems with= coupling? I mean, the phase has to be exactly 180deg and so you have to= choose exactly the same Cs, Ls and so on. What about the variation of the= parameters of the FETs and Ls and Cs due to temperature rising (if it is= not changing equally), manufacturing and so on? Isn't that a bigger probl= em than the harmonics? =20 What are you planning, how much power on wich band? And which FETs do you= use? IRFP series? =20 73 es gl :-)=20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Stefan, yes, a single ended class E amplifier would give the same power with both FETs in parallel but, due to symmetry, the push-pull design has the advantage of cancelling all even order harmonics by design. 3f is the first harmonic to worry about so the lowpass filter can be made simpler. The added complexity of push-pull is minimal - one more capacitor and one more DC feeding choke. And, yes, an output transformer in case you didn't already use one for impedance matching in the single ended case. By the way, the amplitude of the first harmonics of a single ended class E amplifier (without lowpass filter!) is 0.51/QL (2f) and 0.08/QL (3f) with respect to the carrier (1f) amplitude. QL is the loaded Q of the series resonant tank, XL/Rload. Example: If QL =3D 5.1, a reasonable value, the amplitude of the 2f harmonic will be 0.51/5.1 =3D 0.1 compared to the carrier i.e. -20dBc. In a perfectly balanced push-pull circuit, the 2f harmonic will disappear so the first harmonic problem will be 3f at -36dBc which is "16dB easier" to filter and further from the carrier as well :-). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Johan, >=20 > What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? 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<934244.12961.qm@web87003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605d4b64cfa36b73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok pick it up next time I'm down. Alan --- On Sat, 30/1/10, SAM JEWELL wrote: > From: SAM JEWELL > Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the= BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 20:36 > Hi Alan, > it sounds like you could be a candidate for one of the > laser + PIN boards I offered last year? There was no > interest then.......! > Just take it away. >=20 > Sam, G4DDK >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: > ALAN MELIA > To: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: > Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:39:18 > Subject: Re: > LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the > BF862 >=20 > Hi > Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this > for some time but assumed a bigger signal would be required > for the LED. I am not really up to speed with opto-devices. >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer > wrote: >=20 > > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop > preamp with the BF862 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 > >=20 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Dear LF,=20 > > =20 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture > of > > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be > come, > > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > > =20 > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation > if the > > picture is in the correct format now. > > =20 > > I will subscribe to the reflector with > > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > > agn. > > =20 > > I do some modifications to the RX in the > > moment and will send the new and perhaps better > circuit > > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > > =20 > > 73, > > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b5c2c9d140; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8D173800011B; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Th-0005Kp-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tg-0005Ke-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Td-0007BQ-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:18:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwOADe7W0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYszECEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="425781817" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 11:17:51 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01ca9ce6$de0d5fb0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b5c2c9b5cb8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Dave and= all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark fo= r Rik and GM.

 

Dave, yes the= modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

 

73

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010= 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi, Eddie.

 

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is abou= t 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

 

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of both modes!

 

(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double fr= equency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencie= s, and the carrier drops between letters.)

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knigh= tsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

 

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a no= te on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard= settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around= 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals ca= n spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/= 10 19:33:00

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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CE6.DE0D5FB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5d44b60a2622c9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:31:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44b60a2622c9; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:30:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEW9-0004IT-78 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEW8-0004IK-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEW6-0006AI-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF657B802A for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B036E31E703 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:29:26 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:27:33 +0100 Thread-Topic: 500 kHz JT4A Thread-Index: AcqfiEP+BP+8NZBWQUqrysLSZ3BvbwABuRsS Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,<= /font>
 
solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B328ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-8ba54b61959e2a0; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A17C38000160; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUhF-0002U7-OW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaUhF-0002Ty-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaUhD-0006hU-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:09 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so173012fgg.10 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SWOqE+Viy47hNcrijYyrpInyg/kJxvcH2VF0bjsECX4=; b=EqscU4e7I7wYDdtHqpcf4owxyNjzbvRCToXaRnn52DUAS8pHOf2QtouX6ilkYz0Qpk 7zedOkwjF6IkRqOSJa446WLa4Llyz/Llrh/x3HjE0PqefqsNWM7dz+cUOspaD8CvGnGh jYh2DE78MrYqmyF5LJ0pR36UrI6TTCw0qtqOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UlQdAeK5Th2oljwOvq+xZNZwpfY6ZmUuXRb3jmpPIurcpo4MsYLRFEQRjCIO2NNp2n Q1pcYbQUqi4QcdvL2VgYnGKkESv1/s9EljF7atUasVpO4xOe3fi8CM1UjrWj3Iv46hAX nsLnOQiN/QcL/RATJphx7YHdiudM9PZcq67TI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.165.72 with SMTP id w8mr1282057hbd.8.1264686365351; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:46:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b61959c7481 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 VERY TRUE.......... One solution for narrow band would them be to filter the output to remove the fundamental (and any other odd order) componets that cause the asymetry Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 28 January 2010 08:25, Johan H. Bodin wrote: > Andy, > > such a doubler will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a > perfect 50/50 square wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by > both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the > clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the > flip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input > signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad). > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Andy Talbot wrote: > > I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive > > signals quite recently. > > > > How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 > > mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can > > consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from > > the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original > > to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train > > suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > --001485f90ec08f2140047e39bd10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
VERY TRUE..........
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One solution for narrow band would them=A0be to filter the output to= remove the fundamental (and any other odd order) componets that cause the= asymetry

Andy
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On 28 January 2010 08:25, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com<= /a>> wrote:
Andy,

such a doubler= will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a
perfect 50/50 squ= are wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by
both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the
= clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the
f= lip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input
signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad).=

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

Andy Talbot wrote:
> I was looking at driving= push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive
> signals quite recen= tly.
>
> How about a frequency doubler? =A0 =A0The output does= n't have to have 1:1
> mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. =A0 And simple double= r can
> consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time= constant)
> followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shif= ted in phase from
> the 500kHz drive signal. =A0Then apply this one, =A0along with the or= iginal
> to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of= a 1MHz train
> suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarew= ave drive.
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com <http://www.g4jnt.com>

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7Q9H+RlR/jS/rqfWFFFFeYegFfOH7Sn/ACMOh/8AXo//AKHRRQB//9k= --------------030204070909030801090102-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.218]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b5f4cef17d; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:13:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F100E38000280; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZrld-0000n2-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:12:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZrlc-0000mt-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:12:04 +0000 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) 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X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 77.201.154.105 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4b5f4cec4c96 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 OK Andrey, i wait your beacon. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@mail.ru= a =20 =E9crit : Hello LF, Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90. Start at 21z. Will work all night. Reports are welcome! 73 Andrey --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
OK Andrey, i wait your beacon.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 26/01/2010 19:37:26 Paris, Madrid, rn3agc@ma= il.ru a=20 =E9crit :
H= ello=20 LF,
Power 30 W, 137775.5, dfcw90.
Start at 21z. Will work all=20 night.
Reports are welcome!

73=20 Andrey

 
 
 --part1_131be.6b6fe735.3890a676_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4b5b20b03a0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:15:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 470043800008D; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYid7-0006Iv-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYid7-0006Im-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYid6-0006Wz-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:14:33 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100123160926.LLPM10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:26 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYiYA-0007q2-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:26 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqcRm682sHRpbOGQYS7YOmuGzrN9A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=YgseInDmnpUA:10 a=8mcNObjiWxMMzvCAjlQA:9 a=qclfb86ZB3n0NkWbjfPAQs3AmXsA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Pfy8QZGP05U_LtEsQl0A:9 a=rMYnknL30nI8W-tX1JffqAO2Ql0A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5b20af1668 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4   50= 2.3  dial

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA9C46.6EF58B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG082-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG031-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSF-0007oj-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSE-0007oa-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUdSB-0007Qk-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so48676052pxi.30 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NEMZfYMSXzWnFKTQY+RxH+8qX+NZ9u1igOTJDtP6DKw=; b=CxyOIC7fS9Ofnn+8P7zxyH7cqhafpZ369H8U1r6Nv6EzJVqVEiA/OuEEtwqXUBjf9o G7SjkdtXEW6mmBqMZ7DzfCSAA/r+VjHy01upOin3N9RgK+hqRRKlDZb/wu3fGvRYtQCS 7zzKI+0JGtdXseibSEDPeES4NeLh7Xur7/Z7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bmbt6lyFaWzRVDdW+7RO2NlqAh4AJ3rOYhQsSWEvZZVBNnjJX7h1HPadJUBrF0tjdN d6RoCq86wDvKpoYGgPXyHooPOfoGHRAfBMs9GPv6ViOeIjk5kx0ftJjotrFntvNKnKNP wdSPJ8JMPis6E7jVyRGixQ9uCScybX63MNDjM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.12 with SMTP id b12mr5877336rvn.11.1263290055520; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:14 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 333dcbe1cc6e2429 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pat, LF, *You wrote :-* *"**As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever surpassed it"* *I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft.* 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/11 g4gvw > Oh dear Mal! > > I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living in > the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and > regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a > political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a > legal or regulatory system. > As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever > surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on > every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end > in itself. > You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance > - I no longer have that excuse! > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere > > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did > not > > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "g4gvw" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was > intended > > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > > > effective radiation. > > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > > > considered a "message"! > > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot > determine > > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > > > listener under the regulations. > > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions > to > > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote > ... > > > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > Licence: > > > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > > > addition to it. > > > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat, LF,

You wrote :-
"As to my own LF achievements= , my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
wi= th a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer
= and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about somethin= g called LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of= achievement was
so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
s= urpassed it"

I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just= realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years= ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under= the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft= .

73=

Ga= ry - G4WGT.
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">
<= br>
2010/1/11 g4gvw <g4g= vw@aol.com>
Oh dear Mal!=

I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living= in
the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and
regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a
political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a
legal or regulatory system.
As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something calle= d LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on
every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end=
in itself.
=A0You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance<= br> - I no longer have that excuse!



On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote:
> That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a= mere
> radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria= did not
> apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@ao= l.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...
>
>
> > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone<= br> > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licence= s from
> > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was= intended
> > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on= any
> > effective radiation.
> > One might also consider the definition of "message" -= the presence or
> > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might= be
> > considered a "message"!
> > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur= radio
> > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations= who
> > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cann= ot determine
> > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of= view of a
> > listener under the regulations.
> > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at= any
> > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and condi= tions to
> > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF.
> > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there"= is a strange and
> > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote:
> > > In a recent message, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote ... > > > >
> > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever= ?
> > >
> > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of= your Licence:
> > >
> > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only= used:
> > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, in= cluding
> > > conducting technical investigations....
> > >
> > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is= merely an
> > > addition to it.
> > >
> > > To me, radio communication means passing messages.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > David G4DMP
> > >
> > --
> > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> > =A0qth nr felixstowe uk
> > (east coast, county of suffolk)
> >
> >
>
>
--
73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
=A0qth nr felixstowe uk
(east coast, county of suffolk)



--000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA051-b5244b40dfdf95; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:20:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BF43380000BC; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV31-0003YK-0L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRV30-0003YB-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRV2x-0001F9-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMGADtuQEtOlW6h/2dsb2JhbACCFRqLDYIJwV+EMAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,493,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="404344932" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.110.161]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 18:19:17 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:19:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b40dfde7474 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA0A first QSO at midnight 2010, fi= rst ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KEV ie Holland/uk cont= act. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Ypma, S.H. ; pa3agf@gmail.com ; chmurre@zeelandnet.nl ; Albert= =20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To All LF, Please be informed some Radio Amateurs in PA have apparently receive= d permissions (via VRZA) to transmit 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010.= PA0A has informed me about this and I appologise for any possible mis= understandings caused by my previous email to the reflector. The Dutch= Telecom Authorities nor VRZA have publicised anything on their Intern= et sites until now and the VERON members (like myself) have not been= informed about anything yet. Congratulations to PA0A are in order for his acheivements! Best Regards / Best 73's Michael Sanders, PC4M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Hi LF I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we've= been warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one cal= led him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea to gi= ve Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to use th= e band? 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, M. Sanders wrote: From: M. Sanders Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13 To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has= not yet published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m ban= d tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For= those able to understand Dutch language the most recent official publ= ication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to have= been adequately informed about the process. It is not even clear if= notifications to participate in the experiment by individual Radio Am= ateurs have already been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via th= is reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and an= d therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of= 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band= without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to= QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Du= tch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual= Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the experiment= s transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the fut= ure will be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact= ' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO'= s, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO'= s from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy= ' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him= on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to= repeat it self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radio= zendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt ov= er de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken= wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in rela= tie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor= de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bi= j de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De vere= nigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de vereniginge= n een collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom.= Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren= de verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken.= De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experime= nt zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn= de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experimen= t. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanm= erking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voo= r de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wi= j dit bekend via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CA8CA1.3F162680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael
Misinformation is dangerous. I was PA= 0A first QSO=20 at midnight 2010, first ever PA amateur QSO on 500 and first PA0A/G3KE= V ie=20 Holland/uk contact.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 201= 0 5:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

To All LF,
 
Please be informed some Radio Amate= urs in PA have=20 apparently received permissions (via VRZA) to transmi= t=20 501-504kHz, as of Jan first 2010. PA0A has informed me about this an= d I=20 appologise for any possible misunderstandings caused by my= previous=20 email to the reflector. The Dutch Telecom Authorities nor VRZA&= nbsp;have=20 publicised anything on their Internet sites until now and= the VERON=20 members (like myself) have not been informed about anything yet.
 
Congratulations to PA0A are in orde= r for=20 his acheivements!
 
Best Regards / Best 73's
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0F= MT
Sent: Sunday, January 03,= 2010 5:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 50= 0kHz / legal=20 or piracy?

Hi LF
 
I take it that PA0A is one of the non legal stations we= 've been=20 warned about (see below). He was CQing last night and no one= called=20 him although there were several on the band. Not a good idea= to give=20 Pirates a report not sure how it would affect our licence to= use the=20 band?

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10,= M. Sanders=20 <misan@= xs4all.nl>=20 wrote:

From:=20 M. Sanders <misan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: LF: PA0= A on=20 500kHz / legal or piracy?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Cc:=20 pa0shy@veron.nl
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 1:13
To all LF,
 
Please beware that the of= ficial Dutch=20 Telecom Agency has not yet published the issue of experime= ntal=20 licences for the 600m band tot the Dutch Amateur Radi= o=20 organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those abl= e to=20 understand Dutch language the most recent official publica= tion is=20 quoted below. However not all their memeber= s seem=20 to have been adequately informed about the= process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio=20 Amateurs have already been processed by the=20 organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform= all LF=20 interested parties via this reflector that the transm= issions=20 like the one recorded below and and therfore&nbs= p;QSO's=20 with PA stations may still be regarded as an act= of 'radio=20 piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an= frequency=20 band without official permission. It looks like it is= not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official= =20 publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities= =20 and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Am= ateurs in=20 writing about their participation to the=20 experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a startin= g date=20 somewhere in the future will be in ord= er, and=20 not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as= of=20 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a ric= h history of=20 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the fir= st=20 succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur,= OM Jesse,=20 was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not fined and the= Judge=20 congratulated him and complimented him on his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the ten= dency to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,<= /FONT>
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang to= t 500 KHz voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met=20 de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VR= ZA op 7=20 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de= 500 KHz=20 band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten= zijn van=20 het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de=20 randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor= de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebrach= t bij de=20 nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC).= De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agen= tschap=20 Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te=20 kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over= de inhoud=20 van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de= =20 verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateur= zaken. De=20 randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het= experiment=20 zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 
=
Als vergunninghouder=20 van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verant= woordelijk=20 voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individu= ele=20 radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor=20 eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. 

Ind= ividuele=20 aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen=20 door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd .
<= /SPAN>
Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bek= end via=20 deze website.

<<UNQUOTE

= =20

 
----- Original Message= -----
= From: Gary - G4WGT
Sent: Friday, Jan= uary 01,=20 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF:= PA0A on=20 500kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the= two of=20 you.

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals.
73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T



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nice signal today on 137KHz!, tnx for= the QSO=20 agn.
best DX, have a nice weekend!<= /DIV>
 
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air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4b60c066212; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6EC333800015D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGVz-0007HN-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGVz-0007HE-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGVw-0007vW-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3536.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC3DC1C00084 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60204b60c0636522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dmitry" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM To: Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > Hi LF > > PA grabber work! > http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html > > Dmitry > ra3yo > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-8b744b5eca3b1b4; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:55:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B33F38000090; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZj4N-000859-A1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZj4M-000850-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:50 +0000 Received: from web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZj4K-0007CN-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 80440 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264502755; bh=4Y8YfmgiEMbigjR2We0n8hUoUycZz5ssFLprDMqEl60=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bYycPYmwv9n9cP9lZjMjJRuYNWKYf4e6aqf+Zxr6HZB/VcyGhidc8OAoc9KzI2J46z52mHDNUXccyOyXYqxZWl/It+DkyYF60FycB3U6lW+ot9bLXp0UO+D3WxVtPrwYvRXKc9uTQpr3ThpGIDOoSKTWjLnDzPf7FokweXFH9HA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xXFvhRkyh0MSOuvFkYkOhGaVPAp19QmwD7T/rp5xeAsiTv5auLB59gpPyljvrZ/KgXnq6WlqdRvg/00fNo87/ggRLu5c5refo5PpxnUQM9YllzjkFmmCYCNCUvc/cbN/2XQ71lFuUiyVAWBy/kKxQr29IVi+n2bX55D2ek4rkUo=; Message-ID: <760083.80415.qm@web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BAUusp0VM1lxMFI50Tl4h26w7Iy4_jPgW_5Hi.V7bD6gZKFmn2VjGa161z1Py1h.PIozqrtMTGS9UGAa.aYPX4eb0KoKKxouavaaztY_MUbMfMJlhX0wl.G.bXrIOYazqIvMU6ysvCLZ38N.QH_dPS2g5EmqtMGagjesgDL6.8pQ__1tQKZoXC8A2yQHNpIlzbitC4ZOXWgxFxkjhA0hqLpyGicu8RZT.G0PvPdXn_txVE2.fFsrdehxaOTzHaUsUi1w7cLAfE0Zvb.mRaSRGNV084siv5rFGIzPqkAisr7Ettf8BS3DVmm.lOl4ijBSNSPy Received: from [86.134.65.222] by web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:45:55 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B5EC24A.22190.3F32A6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-153953470-1264502755=:80415" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5eca3a429b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-153953470-1264502755=:80415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, CW is most definitely used for EME above 432MHz. Although JT65C is very ef= fective on 1.3 and 2.3GHz, CW is still the preferred mode. This is mainly= due to a very strong pro CW attitude amongst many of the EME operators.= Having said that, the level of JT65C on 1.3GHz is VERY high relative to= the number of operators on EME overall. As you have probably seen, quite= small EME systems are capable of making successful QSOs even with low ERP= using this mode.=20 JT4G also works on EME. However, the poorer sensitivity of this mode (comp= ared to JT65C) limits its use to the higher bands where libration can rend= er JT65C unusable. The digital 'cw' mode developed for the 47GHz EME QSOs= is a bit different again and doesn't seem to have caught on to any great= extent. I can't remember its designation! Hellschrieber has also been used in EME. I hope this helps? 73 de Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010 10:22:02 Subject: LF: Off topic: MS and EME Can anyone on this group tell me whether Morse is still used for EME=20 and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts, or does all activity now use=20 purpose-designed digital modes? Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0-153953470-1264502755=:80415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,
CW is most definitely used for EME above 432MHz. Alt= hough JT65C is very effective on 1.3 and 2.3GHz, CW is still the preferred= mode. This is mainly due to a very strong pro CW attitude amongst many of= the EME operators. Having said that, the level of JT65C on 1.3GHz is VERY= high relative to the number of operators on EME overall. As you have prob= ably seen, quite small EME systems are capable of making successful QSOs= even with low ERP using this mode.
JT4G also works on EME. However,= the poorer sensitivity of this mode (compared to JT65C) limits its use to= the higher bands where libration can render JT65C unusable. The digital= 'cw' mode developed for the 47GHz EME QSOs is a bit different again and= doesn't seem to have caught on to any great extent. I can't remember its designation!
Hellschrieber has also been used in EME.

I hope th= is helps?

73 de Sam, G4DDK



From: Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Sent: Tuesday, 26 January,= 2010 10:22:02
Subject: LF: Off topic: MS and EME

Can anyone on this group tell me= whether Morse is still used for EME
and/or Meteor Scatter enthusiasts= , or does all activity now use
purpose-designed digital modes?

= Please reply direct to:
mike.dennison@ntlworld.com<= /a>

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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--0-153953470-1264502755=:80415-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5efc4b405eba7d; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:09:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 03AB6380000BE; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 04:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRMRF-0000xe-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRMRF-0000xV-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRMRD-0007JR-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:07:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 2625 invoked by uid 507); 3 Jan 2010 10:07:32 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 10:07:32 +0100 Message-ID: <201001031007360292.0A97CDDC@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:07:36 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DK7SU 459 by ear on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b405eba3d32 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0901z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b623bb25a; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:36:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D912D380000BD; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naflm-00050k-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naflm-00050b-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.102]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naflk-0003yn-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:34 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc02) with ESMTP id <20100129013523H0200aca5be>; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B623B5A.9080009@att.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:35:22 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b623baf0fbc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you > can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! > > 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 > W4DEX EM95tg 6140 284 > > > Tnx for the decode > > Graham > > G0NBD > > QSL Graham! Received thorough a 20 db attenuator in line with a 500 KHz TX antenna connected to a FT-817 with it's internal attenuator selected. Dex, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a924b50c32413a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:34:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA102-a924b50c32413a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:33:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrux-0005K6-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrux-0005Jv-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVruv-0002P9-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:11 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 698231C00089 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5C5C51C0008A for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.95.230]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D63D61C00089 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:33:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100115193301877.D63D61C00089@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6EAB0902607544D4A85D88B394570F3D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:32:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Lee That 504 signal is 20 to 30 db over the noise floor , this side of the hills .. some times its so strong, you can resolve the modulation .. wonderful .....oh and it makes pretty spectrum plots on spec-lab .... G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Hudson" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:18 PM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: Dirty carrier > > Hi Rik, > > Maybe I should have also noted that what I was receiving extended from > 503.450 to 504.550. > > 73, Lee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 15 January 2010 18:21 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Dirty carrier > > > Lee, > > the 504 carrier is there as long as I know. > I guess that Mal's carrier is something different. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-8bff4b3e6a0f193; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:33:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DE4338000101; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQp5o-0002Iu-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQp5n-0002Il-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:31 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQp5l-00065O-0C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:31:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 65636 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 21:31:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yFJoGuDk4TBlkgsekxyAoC3RYlHaQfYgtZjkjnjs2/CfE0/+OmOvhNDLcuLDHDmuSyKM6zt6cENJr8q7fGTWxYQc1VvTA5+2EEs1wg1r/rTPyMYTAZNooQW44SYknyEz5/3gvD/qVZSHJvZIjcsfBBmoOHIGnaTUsZ8u2u53KZI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 21:31:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lJWkjtMVM1lwpiRdgbS_5tIJkrV30FweVk..CckUMmkufFJOuJk6TBo.ZKDaUua0kuI18AgpBpOsaTTqmfEup56GmCE72oJqPZ5gM1Xq.EBy5SAP1jLY7jKGimKJ5E7.ab313O4qO7KRpilZ.cy9JHkDSvIH6BAStuq7F90UMh0VUZph4QFQZgofAGS6tBzUF827VXL6w01bVJugNngzCILeraiQfrMi_NfJkQOKxznN7Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:31:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT Beacon WSPR parameters changed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3e6a0e3101 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Now QRV in WSPR mode on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" - any reports very welcome I was just looking back through the WSPR log to confirm G4JNT's changes, and saw that EI6CZ was QRV earlier, who I have not seen before in this mode. Happy new year to all on the LF reflector, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-b52e4b4a306432a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:54:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3457C3800012C; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3qv-0004Zt-2w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3qu-0004Zk-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:32 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3qr-0004EC-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:32 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13501394bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2M4ICwTsglGcerIVLYckh/2p8O5lM7RamqNXa3Tdgek=; b=CaXUsSmJSX4Kkj9oySBxcGrXHH972U+Y23nqbY6UYMLp+oY0ZHjgnnfM81ag1ORj7n VYw9gMzY15gAwjdI9OIdQB7UZcyW1tkWVIUEOuWrR7MCyMloHF7OSZ0SKN6P5xafM2bI qJBI5iq3vGcNB2yvRUzkS7tHTOoLY4hjZJn3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jHZFrduFE/RP7n7ZYyP5bw4CWns/H+QfWCqfAjl4AlGJMwn4UNJtJKw/lZkcXC0M3Z zNXk8D2aJKCoqSZmFZMqOAqGs/K3qFfd2ANJgCZ6vlR2yWQ1KdGnNOJQ8gHp4S1ngeH7 hePiBF2CH9WlhTf/z6G5ygGJdILxI0sHrj+bE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.137 with SMTP id c9mr99975bkd.44.1263153203354; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:53:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b4a30633748 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it performs. It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see what "the experts" say. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 mal hamilton > Had u been on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur > trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some time but had the trace > been keyed it could have been identified. > I have been making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and > speculation and use normal CW or QRS CW > Regardless of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little > antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and environment regarding > noise. > RX loop antennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be > calculated just guessed and meaningless. > Get into QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time. > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given > power on WSPR > > Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz > Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to > hear very weak signals than many others. > > For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms > range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another > 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under > favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a > good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he > might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he > is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. > > It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the > propagation theory etc. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/10 James Cowburn > >> Dear LF, >> >> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >> >> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >> and antenna configuration? >> >> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >> its performance with other known signals. >> >> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the >> remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the >> same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it >> fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >> >> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a >> great 2010 >> >> With best regards >> >> >> >> >> >> *Jim* >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >> >> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >> >> ** >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it pe= rforms.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the the= oretical range limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can= be as low as -30dB for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall= be interested to see what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM



2010/1/1= 0 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Had u been on QRS CW he probably woul= d have copied=20 u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do not decode for some ti= me but=20 had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.
I have been making this point for som= e time, avoid=20 guesswork and speculation and use normal=A0CW or QRS CW
Regardless of erp transmitted the wea= kness is often=20 at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big antenna Big signal and=20 environment regarding noise.
RX loop antennas not optimised toward= s ur stn,=20 these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.=
Get into QSO mode and see how far u= can get in real=20 time.
=A0
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent:= Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget ca= lculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Certainly GM4SLV= has a much lower noise floor than most=20 stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may= be=20 easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others.

For wh= at=20 it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms rang= e in=20 S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB= in=20 hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favour= able conditions.=20 I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The ma= gic=20 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have= seen a=20 "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms= away, but if it=20 was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to= see=20 what people say is possible based on the propagation theory=20 etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <= ;james.cowbu= rn@virgin.net>

=A0Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resou= rce=20 for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set=20 distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably= =20 consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around= -22dB=20 and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for rough= ly=20 estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EM= R) at=20 that power setting and antenna configuration?

Clearly, there are differences between separat= e Rx=20 stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations th= en it=20 should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strengt= h at a=20 given Rx based on its performance with other known=20 signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB the= n how=20 much further would the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me= ,=20 assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their= =20 capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB differen= ce=20 over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers= and=20 best wishes to all for a great 2010

= With bes= t=20 regards

= =A0

= =A0

Jim

= =A0

= =A0

= Dr. Jame= s Cowburn=20 G7NKS

= E=20 james.cowburn@virgin= .net<= /font>

=A0

=A0

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--0003255539c6fb9cd0047cd4c573-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.136]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC062-a9744b4b603966; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AADA53800009D; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUO4s-0004Ep-LD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUO4s-0004Eg-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUO4q-0007xy-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A301D1C00089 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 958981C00086 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.9.217]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4975D1C00089 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100111172910301.4975D1C00089@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> In-Reply-To: <000001ca92c0$c5991300$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:29:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40884b4b603744e8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An extract from a uk 500 station note book ...... There I was, a-digging this hole=20 A hole in the ground, so big and sort of round it was=20 There was I, digging it deep=20 It was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep=20 When along, comes this bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched= his head=20 Well we looked down the hole, poor demented soul and he said=20 Do you mind if I make a suggestion?=20 Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere=20 Your digging it round and it ought to be square=20 The shape of it's wrong, it's much much too long=20 And you can't put hole where a hole don't belong=20 Mean while these ''new comers'' with no experience of LF experiment= ation quietly slip into the record books with the first WEST CO= AST decode on 500 =20 while the more experienced ponder the finer points of plastic V bra= ss key tapping , =20 More tea anyone ? G .. From: g3zjo=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Jim M0BMU wrote:- >You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true= =20 >QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! Tobacco tin for the TX, yes, wow, that would be huge wouldn't it, mine= will go in an Altoids tin :-)=20 Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An extract from a uk 500  statio= n note book=20 ......

There I was, a-digging this hole
A hol= e in the=20 ground, so big and sort of round it was
There was I, digging it de= ep
It=20 was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep
When along, com= es this=20 bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched his head
Well we= looked down=20 the hole, poor demented soul and he said

Do you mind if I make= a=20 suggestion?

Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere
Your digging= it round=20 and it ought to be square
The shape of it's wrong, it's much much= too long=20
And you can't put hole where  a hole don't belong
=
 
Mean while  these ''new comers''=  with no=20 experience of  LF experimentation  quietly  slip into&n= bsp;=20 the  record books  with the  first  WEST COAST&nbs= p;=20 decode  on 500 
while the  more  experience= d ponder the=20 finer points of  plastic V brass  key  tapping ,=20  
 
More  tea anyone ?
 
G ..
 
 


From: g3zjo
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Jim M0BMU wrote:-

 =

>You can build one [SDR RX] in a tobacco ti= n for a=20 few pounds, in true

>QRP style, although the same probably isn'= t true for=20 the transmitter!

 

Tobacco tin for the= TX, yes, wow, that=20 would be huge wouldn't it, mine will go in an Altoids tin :-) <= /FONT>

 =

Eddie<= FONT color=3Dblue> G3ZJO

 

 



------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CA92E3.95B1A800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.141]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-86a64b4de0c5375; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:03:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7AC7E3800006E; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4jt-0003nc-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV4jt-0003nT-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV4jr-0000YJ-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:29 +0000 Received: from PCvanAlbert (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id o0DF2A3F032765 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:02:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <77AEBAC7CA0D44CAB48CC6E6BB012CED@PCvanAlbert> From: "Albert" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:02:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4b4de0c21a6d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, I can't help you, but I use the same PA here. Changed the capacitor ba= nks and the coils and with some tweaking of the coils, I put them on= frequency one by one. I just tuned for maximum power, and the heatsin= ks are getting just warm at full power. I started with 20 V supply vol= tage during the tuning process and the PA was driven by a signal gener= ator, so I could simple find resonance frequency and step by step clos= ing in at 500 kHz. The DECCA PA gives me a nice 800W in 50 ohms at 48V= supply voltage. =20 73, Albert PA0A =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: malhamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at th= e operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching charact= eristics like in class E mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal,
 
I can't help you, but I use the same= PA here.=20 Changed the capacitor banks and the coils and with some tweaking= of the=20 coils, I put them on frequency one by one. I just tuned for maximum po= wer, and=20 the heatsinks are getting just warm at full power. I started with= 20 V=20 supply voltage during the tuning process and the PA was driven by a si= gnal=20 generator, so I could simple find resonance frequency= and step by=20 step closing in at 500 kHz. The DECCA PA gives me a nice&nbs= p;800W in=20 50 ohms at 48V supply voltage.
 
73, Albert=20 PA0A     
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 malhamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, January 13,= 2010 12:38=20 PM
Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx

Does anyone know if the series L an= d C was tuned=20 for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for opti= mum=20 switching characteristics like in class E
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9469.C04450E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-a8464b62c37a3a8; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:16:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50EE4380000BC; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naooc-0006Q2-9A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naoob-0006Pt-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaooZ-0007o1-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:15:05 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8777B806A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17892F3863 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:49 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:14:58 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <301460.22362.qm@web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <301460.22362.qm@web86506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100129111449.17892F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b62c378083c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Alan, I agree that the typical 500kHz QSB is indeed ionospheric multipath causing interference. I surface wave was involved I would only notice it with stations I can also hear during daytime. About Reg's program: any idea what formula's are behind it ? 73, Rik ON7YD PS: including some carriage returns in your mails would be nice ;-) At 11:57 29/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Stephan and Rik, yes Rik I was meaning to mention the late Reg's >program. Your estimate is probably right and the thing is >complicated further by even in daytime the skywave being stronger >than the ground wave beyond 1000km (see my plots of Brian CT1DRP's >data on DCF39 to Oporto route) On the longer paths you cannot rely >on the skywave only consisting of one hop(whereas I believe this may >be true at short distances) there is some evidence that at night on >500kHz there are two different paths even at quite short distances >(cf the reported very deep fading on stations that cannot be heard >in daytime....i.e the fading is probably between two skywave path >rather than ground and skywave. Some of Graham's work suggests thes >may be reflection from two different heights on 500kHz rather than >two hop.....not a phenomena that exists on 136kHz) Great >Fun.....much better than boring HF :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, >29/1/10, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: >Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: >Question to the groundwave > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > Date: Friday, 29 January, 2010, >9:22 > > > Hello Stefan, > > > ground waves (surfaces waves) are a >tricky thing. > > The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double >distance) > takes only the > 2D spreading loss into account. This >would be correct if > the ground would > be a perfect conductor and >if the earth would be flat. > > In reality you have 2 additional >losses: diffraction loss > (due to the > earth curve) and ground >loss. > > The bad message is that these losses both have a more or > >less 1D > behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less >linear > to the > distance. > > The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS >application (named > GRNDWAVE3) where > you can put in a lot of >parameters (distance, antenna > efficiency, > frequency, ground >type, TX power) and it gives you the path > attenuation, > field >strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. > > It must be on the web >on several places (google it), but in > case you > cannot find it I >can send it to you. > > Just as an example the path loss this >programme gives > for 137kHz > and an average ground: > > 250km = >55.1dB > > 500km = 65.3dB > > 750km = 74.7dB > > 1000km = 83.5dB > > >2000km = 115.4dB > > 3000km = 144.5dB > > 4000km = 172.2dB > > >5000km = 199.0dB > > As you can see doubling the distance "costs" >far > more that 6dB > (by surface wave, sky wave is a different >story). > > I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface > >wave limit for > most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), >maybe a > bit more in > QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with >sky waves. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 02:51 29/01/2010, >you wrote: > > Hi Alan and LF, > > > > > I know there are some of >you who can easily > answer my > question that follows :-) > > > > >The maximum distance of the groundwave at a > specific > >fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the > antenna >current of > the TX antenna, right? > > So, if i have an antenna >current of 0,5A and get a maximum > distance of > 1000km, i would >reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same > surrounding noise > level, >same average ground properties, same OP ;-) > )?. > > > > I expect, >that the groundwave does not > immediately stop > beyond this 2000km >border but rather decreases with 1/r, > just as > before. > > > > >So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in > the >above > example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? > >Sure, thats a very > theoretical question since there will not be >the same > ground conductivity > on the whole distance but >anyway. > > > > And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not >affected > by the > daytime, by the season and so on. There must >be > interferences with the > sky wave, so QSB, but this does not >affect the groundwave > at an other RX > QTH, where no sky wave is >present!? > > > > If there is so much sea water between a >transatlantic > distance, why is it > so difficult to do it with the >groundwave? On HF or MF it > is clear but on > LF? > > > > Tnx for >enlightning answers... > > > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > Von: > >owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA > > >Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 > > An: >rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path >.. but this is > getting > silly > > > > Ah this 500k stuff is too >easy Graham :-)) > oh for 73kHz > again ! > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.29]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-5ea94b40f4de354; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:49:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A889C380019E0; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWLL-0005Da-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRWLL-0005DR-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRWLL-00065N-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 75193 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 19:42:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262547741; bh=+XOmxMuwu5yyOyvnrZ6IBc7HlQqE2EAb5VE8n9Zx128=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xvgBIGJP3hyJ2xBE32XVmWRa+sdQzN2CCQV0Dw2vrOCDxiYuC0RoJnbKkaq8wQZaqmsVTnY679Z9PwhvS0h8A/+0UwlO8esOc/ZVw0TLBGnjMOu5+CakqgWPU4bAdrXxBGB5PcGcZoeh5elEmDlWzNO44pGDP1Nlf0AuU0c3ZQE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Yx+Hzmc5Uiwl4X5bcnBNf5w5jVNLfNEfjBylw00wUqEmjgAlki1wk/Hj+pe+3z1swbphyDxXX0dNUahzt2nULSLTFeIQ+boy7cgtz1skxrIJgzFXvppc4hdoN+pkknBSxLnoZ+uwwYa8fy0A35s7vsfFDC82YJ5R7N/B0qgf1sU=; Message-ID: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5dmHhbMVM1kTSaCDNcoajCg3BzQ.mglGXvhXkUWsbT96tYrnud9cOrolS2Pm95TUeZRzXcxgoWok92kl3PAmgfbQ14jDRrZQIypmQLp.MSP4RF6Nzp1DYEaYrxmNNemvtzJ.cGaMlwv6T_hty1v_Mf2U6atl8Y3gwDl.iZQsnxYkkew2ZAhCCqxKM8NIJn0iI7w.VM.2LJSp.sbzCRJfx.74OAfgPYk.4CURWpz1SmJMU1l6ZfVARdE.QGfmFrG9JhMdklcZfY0Y3_.Cs7l82z_O Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:42:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601d4b40f35c0b6a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger and LF =A0 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation and ca= n not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wide band= compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating via sk= y wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply. =A0 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission=A0from one of the EU "Vanity" stations= HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not have any= real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it is a non= issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neanderthal=A0brain= .=A0=A0 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The=A0Third Man was on TV over= the week end and .........=A0=A0 =A0 Harry Lime said ..... =A0"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they= had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonar= do da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love.= They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? -= The cuckoo clock!"=A0=A0=20 =A0 Think on! 73 es=A0HNY petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wrote: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 Mal,=20 Some suggestions: More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time ba= sed on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice= of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performa= nce/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere= in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of= interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to us= e this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce to weak signals is likely. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan le= ss".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and= S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to li= sten and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a stati= on is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV =A0 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 =20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1428186744-1262547741=:75185-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.84]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-5ee74b44db8a3c9; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:50:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66022380000B3; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSawP-0007l1-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSawO-0007ks-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSawM-0001Lc-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsKAGNqREtOkav9/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAcpAhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="399574474" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.171.253]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2010 18:49:00 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:49:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8f00$e9bbc750$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: G4JNT Beacon snow laden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60544b44db883811 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3 stations, and you can clearly see the snow build up and when you bashed it off!! >noticeable difference seen close in and at distance. >Mark GM4ISM Superb ! Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2602 - Release Date: 01/05/10 19:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>I have graphed the WSPR spots for 3 stations, and you can clearly see the sno= w build up and when you bashed it off!!

>noticeable difference seen close in and at distance.

>Mark GM4ISM

 

      &nb= sp;     Superb !

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA8F00.E9BBC750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI041-eac24b4e724f21f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFCBA38000071; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVEQj-00068U-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVEQj-00068L-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVEQg-0005CV-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:21 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0E1N3JG019640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:53:03 -0330 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:53:03 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 13-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b4e724d1add X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny. It is good to get another report from you which I am pleased to confirm for you. Thanks and 73 from MRCN Joe VO1NA On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Capture vx9mrc > the speed here is to slow for your cw,but is audible, > best 73s > Henny pa3cpm. > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 13-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-8bc94b5cdce83c3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:51:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5363C38000092; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCDO-0002cN-QE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCDO-0002cE-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCDM-0003bQ-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:49:58 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWR007C4ZJ29O@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:49:51 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:49:50 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 509khz Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5cdce70864 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s --Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 
--Boundary_(ID_Jchh6vrQnfszG5AeL3itew)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b46547bc5; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:39:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 609C338000047; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT03M-0003KY-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT03M-0003KP-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT03K-00084B-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:38:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 22426 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 21:37:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j1MVKpFl/GyGYi3ny4qZ9StUcEMUHqOglt1Q/KpgspWSgjaYoR06BrwMwC8B4fKiFr3KcsSHSJiO6SPOF7wqEVEhPURhM/l9bzUS2paRrSMw6jWKyhAwTo/od0Zji0GHkIm1YlSrqZz1jfWkd1sZ9UXvTBtrHhLnxwQqYIMWK8c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 21:37:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lF6BZ.YVM1nvA0K7vkM4MZK1iHiYpPBPLc9JjeuKc13Up7IPMnW7tNcCNPsbxamCppkKvVhVk.bqVft4SPInsDE5CzNo0qwP0DgTY1nQRyQQVGd7EAX509m7QG16jpw2rr6I1rSBETsb14A9vqeigAA43jFJkmi4cfBVD012kOIHAk_3y33ComcwYtC2GxDLE2dhmlrKa8AJcwccq8CuAU9SoT59NkPCcy7zE2l4z11wwQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:37:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b46547a460d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF group, Quite busy on 500kHz tonight - thanks to G3LDO, EI0CF and PA0A for the CW QSOs. Sorry, but I could not hear PE5T at all, probably due to the QRM/directional antenna issue mentioned before, although Finbar obviously could. Also I heard SM6BHZ in CW getting up to RST559 at the peaks of the QSB, although Gus was unable to copy me. I had a few problems with snow de-tuning the antenna, but OK now. Now running the WSPR beacon again, along with several others on 502.4kHz "dial frequency"- any reports very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.31]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5eff4b5c2c9d397; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D44238000094; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tc-0005KU-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Tc-0005KK-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Ta-0007BP-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 24233 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 11:17:48 -0000 Received: from 188-23-184-122.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.184.122]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jan 2010 11:17:48 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:17:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1264331867.1818.10.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabber OE3GHB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411f4b5c2c9c7c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello group! I have now further improved the sensitivity on my grabber and will keep it running for a while. It could be of special interest for stations which are too close to Markus DF6NM. Unfortunately I could not manage to realize a wideband-grabber. It only covers the QRSS segment around 137.700. members.aon.at/grabber Comments are welcome. 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b60c21430; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:45:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D44E38000172; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGcl-0007O8-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGck-0007Nz-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:34 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGci-00080P-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:44:34 +0000 Received: from [94.75.152.175] (port=49874 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NaGcc-0003Aj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:44:26 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60C1C2.7090008@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:44:18 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> <4B60BDF0.4080100@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: sdr pa grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924b60c213541c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham wrote: > Ok .. but looks to show 505 .07 to .45 Khz ? and 137.420-137.680 . > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dmitry" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:28 PM > To: > Subject: LF: sdr pa grabber > >> Hi LF >> >> PA grabber work! >> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html >> >> Dmitry >> ra3yo >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC061-a96f4b4f82bd142; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFCC33800009C; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWZX-0002SL-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWZW-0002SC-Mn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWZU-0007Uu-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:45:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705647B804A for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6236C31E702 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5DCF918056; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from 91.179.131.252 ([91.179.131.252]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20100114214523.i1xor1rdk0ccogkg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:45:23 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.179.131.252 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b4f82ba1689 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be =20 only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better =20 over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm =20 (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal =20 suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard =20 > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and =20 > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a =20 > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 =20 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a =20 > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V =20 > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-a8d34b58895a36b; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:05:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CC7DE3800004B; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY0S4-00067J-Bh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY0S3-00067A-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:11 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY0S0-0007OP-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:11 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so237787bwz.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=F8uKpplt5NaEi5b2eIn/iFnMcLgpp9A/2MY0N/G2PpY=; b=a4CYpx6crCnWuf8PQKXwq2HQBQZ7bdV8o+AzuBi1vTt6BJpWPadd5V3DAVKQeUF8+r xaRDhRNxxn4ZGwtVP53OLElMOCQ5LMPONnT/a/R+eTiqkiBZlTpxQD9jp3XbiEcSBacJ PYn00h84vOFHQbFCheb7BJ9/ai47Gp5efXrtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M3atmPdWT4HBVEi6DSK8P3/xgZZLIh0ydo45/s9SHuGfpCECjUuvISBcHI62S6FlbX nB4WcwQsEKzCXLo3PgY+pMVO77rLiwFwZ41lo8wLhi+78UCmqrIf5lED+IUCnWp2G940 bBoFjgA4nMMxlfbULlWN9YlzSKFjJT6hIYxFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.163.68 with SMTP id z4mr911477bkx.86.1264093441590; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001210904h7d2b276dv503b55075ce9313@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, James Moritz DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: M0BMU - any chance of some new ERP estimates please? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b5889585973 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Jim, Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estimate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a little optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether the truth is somewhere in between. Would much appreciate this. Thanks 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jim,

Following the discussion on the LF reflector in the last= 24 hours, I wonder if we could use your experience and expertise to estim= ate the most recent ERP levels for G4JNT, G3ZJO and G3XBM please. Based on= Rik's figures we've some doubt whether Andy G4JNT is being a litt= le optimistic or whether Eddie and I are being pessimistic or whether the= truth is somewhere in between.

Would much appreciate this. Thanks

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--0003255537168c8aee047dafb0d7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-86a44b521ef11bb; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:17:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B3B6380000B6; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWF4S-0004LL-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWF4R-0004LC-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWF4P-0004xk-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0GKGPR9017758 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id 08E737C833D; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.379 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23,WEIRD_PORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100 (MET) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: grabber at Twente WebSDR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b521eef2400 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, I've added an experimental 137 kHz "grabber" to the Twente WebSDR receiver. It can be found at http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html The receiver is located in JO32KF, in Enschede in the east of the Netherlands. The antenna currently is an end-fed 80m long wire on the roof of a 40m high building. However, I'm rather new to amateur LF activity, so I don't know whether the frequency range and scroll speed are appropriate for typical QRSS activity on this band; comments on this are welcome! 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b5c2e192e9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:25:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 008483800009F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Zo-0005dd-2v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ0Zn-0005dU-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:19 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ0Zl-0007Ge-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:24:19 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ0Zk-0002DN-00; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:16 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rAHS9GZQYhtU5ObB8wzcGnFjR5aBTaLW-wILshg3bVpgB+FJel20EYIalC5gMTrgt-@[84.147.216.64]) by fwd06.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ0Zg-2DEmLA0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:12 +0100 Message-ID: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rAHS9GZQYhtU5ObB8wzcGnFjR5aBTaLW-wILshg3bVpgB+FJel20EYIalC5gMTrgt- X-TOI-MSGID: c9496938-fe00-4194-a258-17ce724bc8c7 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5c2e1721b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, many thanks for the reports last night from F4DTL 639Km, F6CNI= 565 Km, DB1NN 6Km, PA8SWL 524 Km, OK2BVG 428Km, SV8CS 1525Km, SQ2BXI= 735 Km. Also thanks for the fone-reports from DL3NDR and DJ6LB and th= e mail-reports from SQ2BXI and DF6NM. Especially thanks to the Twente-radio, it generated hundreds of report= s between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the receiver seems to be= a hard-working guy ). 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; many=20 thanks for the reports last night from F4DTL 639Km, F6CNI 565 Km, DB1N= N 6Km,=20 PA8SWL 524 Km, OK2BVG 428Km, SV8CS 1525Km, SQ2BXI 735 Km. Also thanks= for the=20 fone-reports from DL3NDR and DJ6LB and the mail-reports from SQ2BXI an= d=20 DF6NM.
Especially thanks to the Twente-radio= , it generated=20 hundreds of reports between 19:54 and 07:32. ( The operator in the&nbs= p;receiver=20 seems to be a hard-working guy ).
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA9CF0.1EDEC340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-5f004b648826120; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:27:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 52A0A380000A4; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIxM-0003bi-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbIxL-0003bZ-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbIxJ-0002fo-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0UJQ2Ld014716 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:03 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:02 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:26:02 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqh4PxxcI4I/N9cT7q+GI4p6xrDbgAADazf References: <2050490190@web.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.713;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.191524 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990" Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6488247673 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is in a strange= design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) =20 Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, please give my= a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct format now. =20 I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress soon to solve= this problem, sri agn. =20 I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send the new and= perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_002_01CAA1E2.0F2A1990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <kein Betreff>
Dear LF,
 
Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp= is in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use outlook= exchange (?)
 
Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture,= please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the correct form= at now.
 
I will subscribe to the reflector with another email adress= soon to solve this problem, sri agn.
 
I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will se= nd the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is already worki= ng vy fine!
 
73, Stefan/DK7FC
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:23:11 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpt7-0000qq-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:23:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 6266 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 17:23:01 -0000 Received: from 188-23-89-103.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.89.103]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2010 17:23:01 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1263576181.2530.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GHB 15-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554b50a4b1364a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Henny! Many thanks for the report and the picture of my signal. I was looking at the grabber of Andrey and noticed a weak carrier on my QRG, that's why I stepped up for half a cps. In addition I noticed that my level generator (Hewlett-Packard HP-????, professional equipment) needs more than 2 hours to become stable and is drifting downwards prior. I thought it wouldn't take that long. 73 es tnx OE3GHB Gerhard Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 09:22 +0100 schrieb henny van elst: > Hi LF, > Capture GHB > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > GHB 15-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA033-b5124b5cc63718b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:14:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD456380000E0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAhm-0002LH-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZAhl-0002L8-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:13 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZAhj-0003Bt-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:13:13 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9A7B8048 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41CF31E702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 6048A18056; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from 42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (42.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.42]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 Message-ID: <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:13:00 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> <20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.42 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5cc6352aaf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, some picture buiding up here, but at random lines. Are you sending one picture repetitive ? In that case: how long taken one picture ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! > > G .. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > >> >> Graham, >> >> I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0kHz. >> MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while, but >> only for short time. >> I will let the software run for some time and let you know is somethin= g >> meaningfull comes out. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >>> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >>> >>> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> From: Graham >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the sam= e >>> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how small= the >>> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software accepte= d >>> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may be= you >>> will get a decode soon ? >>> >>> tnx G >>> >>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Hello Graham, LF! >>> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >>> 73! >>> >>> Lubos, OK2BVG >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >>> >>> download link :- >>> >>> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Hello Graham, LF! >>> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >>> >>> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >>> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>> >>> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >>> >>> Set dial 501.500 : USB >>> Audio set 1500 Hz >>> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >>> >>> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! >>> >>> Reports ? >>> >>> Tnx - Graham >>> G0NBD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD? Dal= =C5=A1=C3=AD >>> informace. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav= =C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>> informace. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-b5344b4a54253da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 403653800006D; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DX-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DO-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6E9-0001Pg-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0AMPaOv003330 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Thread-Index: AcqSO0YBuMPzCV94QIis7w1rkuWOLAAAOOOh References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.670;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.10.221224 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9" Subject: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b4a542331a9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it is= the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw in wspr, congrats! What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with ev= en much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a QSO to VK will be possible?=20 I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal mean= ing of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software that does= record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done by you= due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station and= the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it do= ne by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the= same in than in CW?=20 If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and WSP= R accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer... Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contact?= Really? If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still doing= QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appears to some= of us.=20 For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice= since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same= time and want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything= else is just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not= increase any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated= when the next, of course better, version comes out... In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. 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 --part1_101b1.f5b2684.3879fc36_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-86524b4f7741f4; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:57:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9567F3800012A; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVVnZ-0001vC-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVVnZ-0001v3-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVVnV-0003x2-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:56:05 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so26967pzk.30 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ILn75PZ5ZQYdaytrJv1tpyWO8qG/X3qyxKoWU8jo4TI=; b=klSe6+xj6insZaw6qeiQkwFXl+a2ss3wUnvliUz2xp+TwqhDZiieHuLFdPsez0r3Kw ipC10BzMefg1U4DrIX69kxFb9XuxCjSMltY+aIABsg+0Xt4Q7Fm6TzO3O6nDEVVVMeaZ dLHCubfdOUjC67uWeOg+u5r1RRlIG7RuBqKj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iJL708G0mZD3upZ7bLQ/9rN29tMKPZBs8UGJLtrjSY0q+Ngb3D4aEvywld1HmUioI5 ldmQNGOaazlKK/HT7DkGq8PM6Vgt0KcrB+KMWNFjvYUBVJPikuBO5SpPcaxwmZ7BqoZJ Hr7qtqeNSVjYivbMUuF5ebZexUfWJCWwAER64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr940314rvi.31.1263498952197; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:55:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001140835y165ea810w6ccf81dd884597ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:55:51 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d72a7b262604d1f Message-ID: <1f0624b91001141155u7fd9d2c8r67d3cf8a31065c14@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4f773e7c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roger, LF, Roger G3XBM wrote - For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated Here is one to beat that :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDn39wCYj3Y&NR=1 Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > Mal (et al) > > Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local church tower :-)) > > Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is > indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corner > of a garden. > > For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam > antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZcjqltJVA. > Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? > > Best 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > 2010/1/14 mal hamilton > > Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, >> at a modest height around 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, LF,

Roger G3XBM wrote -
For other big= antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X= being rotated

Here is one to beat that :-

=

Gary - G4WGT



2010/1/14 Roger Lap= thorn <rog= erlapthorn@gmail.com>
Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local= church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA there will= be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna= would only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el bea= m antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjql= tJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/1= 4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>

Hi
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--000e0cd1095238478c047d2546ab-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b48f550f5; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:29:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A44E3800014E; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTirF-0000Zs-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTirF-0000Zj-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTirD-00064O-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:28:29 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi75.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F1B1712A for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:20 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.89.125] by mcgi75.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:15 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <151157701.1263072495.40632648.29140@mcgi75.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b48f54f0294 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike, LF! Poor trace of your signal on 137.775.5 in my location: http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100109_G3XDV/135.58W_120_00010.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2010/20100109_G3XDV/135.58W_90_00010.jpg HNY 2010 to LF! -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b60aabff8; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F374A380004C3; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF4g-0004wh-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF4g-0004wY-3J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com ([209.85.218.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF4c-0006bL-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:18 +0000 Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2403250bwz.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0XDqO6fuxN8A21cXcCIUxDu4zk/VPDD8rOMyTGX3pic=; b=npFlv4enAgMG9M4vc8iTXN9tEiWjfrwo1K2TI+vb7jpUTdFT5+W8BUGdWNPfxET+hx b27sd+n/2a+5S5Hm5wTqO7I3OJ31eeDKED9YkPv6VEOTe3huXvVhftwvsCcalPG8TVOF gnjs1D3o4Jzce3ITpmN9kBDzU32Po5mKrq7nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=K7+kIFWocM/l71Y6Vsl1KigbI08Fzhytar7DMWlmfh3aDM7lAZI4ey5kjbmO3xhPKb JxbEWLKeDkeQt9dnJL5DFSVuRQUomxyLAZB9dsVqFoCPvaXaplChDE3IzWfhg2m9zGxl uXk0LT9Id6hPBsjSlao5aUBfzoOA0sL/hYiRc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.212 with SMTP id 20mr725806bko.0.1264626307107; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001271305j4a0d83a7g20832c67b98d1878@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b60aabb0e73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 His reports for my 1mW ERP have always been huge too. I was thinking there was some particular magic with the skip distance, but others in JN18/JN19 give me more modest S/N reports. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a > just a case of being in a very quiet location... > These are pretty impressive S/N values > > > 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 > F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 > 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 > 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 > -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 > 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI > JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 > IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable His reports for my 1mW ERP have always been huge too.=A0 I was thinking th= ere was some particular magic with the skip distance, but others in JN18/J= N19 give me more modest S/N reports.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
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Hi Roger and LF
 
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation= and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wi= de band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating= via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.
 
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity"= stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not= have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it= is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neandertha= l brain.  
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on= TV over the week end and .........  
 

Harry Lime said .....=  "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, murder= and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the= Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 years= of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!"&n= bsp; 

 

Think on!


73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Laptho= rn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.c= om>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100= at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just= a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and st= ation performance/changes to be determined.  This would leave plenty= of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational= modes.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good= idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moa= n less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spread= ing over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to= those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cann= ot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.=
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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--0015174be9eacf0e7a047e2bc1ac-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB062-a6ff4b5cd62c59; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:22:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7234138000149; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZBlB-0002UV-VM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZBlB-0002UM-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZBl9-0003TH-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:49 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F0CD1C00081 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 91C9B1C00088 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4D86D1C00081 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124232039317.4D86D1C00081@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <699F7EC6F239440CA407DB2532B6B2F0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB><20100124225003.slmms0vsaogoc4gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100124231300.j3192y4co4oosccg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:20:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b5cd62a3190 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik,... I have closed it down,, the pictures where taking an= ything=20 from 10 mins to 1 hour to send ! I had not realised the bit rate= was=20 so low .. next time I will make up a set of 'small' picture files= ...... Tnx for looking G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:13 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F > > Graham, > > some picture buiding up here, but at random lines. > Are you sending one picture repetitive ? > In that case: how long taken one picture ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Thanks Rik. I need to make up a set of small files .. ! >> >> G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:50 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz MODE CHANGE - PSK220F >> >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> I just switched to PSK220F and can see something going on on 503.0= kHz. >>> MultiPSK jumps to "picture reception in progress" once in a while,= but >>> only for short time. >>> I will let the software run for some time and let you know is som= ething >>> meaningfull comes out. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> Quoting Graham : >>> >>>> Mode change to PSK220F 200 hz BW >>>> >>>> TNX for the reports ..63 was just too slow ! >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> From: Graham >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:42 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Ok Lubos .... well at this speed , will still be sending the= same >>>> picture when im going to work hihi .. I didn't realise how = small=20 >>>> the >>>> size needs to be .. I just reduced it until the software ac= cepted >>>> the file .. signal is starting to show in Holland .. so may= be=20 >>>> you >>>> will get a decode soon ? >>>> >>>> tnx G >>>> >>>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:29 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, LF! >>>> There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. >>>> 73! >>>> >>>> Lubos, OK2BVG >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode it with Multipsk ?? >>>> >>>> download link :- >>>> >>>> http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> From: Lubos OK2BVG >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Hello Graham, LF! >>>> I saw your signal on 503kHz. >>>> >>>> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 >>>> Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz >>>> >>>> Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 >>>> >>>> Set dial 501.500 : USB >>>> Audio set 1500 Hz >>>> Mode PSK63F Digital sstv >>>> >>>> Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line= ! >>>> >>>> Reports ? >>>> >>>> Tnx - Graham >>>> G0NBD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten prav=C3=BD?= Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>>> informace. >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Windows 7: Kter=C3=BD po=C4=8D=C3=ADta=C4=8D je pro v=C3=A1s ten= prav=C3=BD? Dal=C5=A1=C3=AD >>>> informace. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE054-5eb54b576c8f124; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:50:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7FD738000314; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhUM-0008CW-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXhUM-0008CN-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s2.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXhUL-0007gJ-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:49:18 +0000 Received: from COL122-W55 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s2.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:49:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:49:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> References: ,<083701ca9a09$04487100$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 20:49:09.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[0394E960:01CA9A12] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_" Subject: LF: WSPR_G7NKS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b576c8c3396 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, LF! I am glad, that my written record of your signal has been your new record.= Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 From: james.cowburn@virgin.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 +0000 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_OK 1200km!!!! new record for me!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 19:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: WSPR_OK =20 Hello LF! 1854 12 1.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -17 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1906 -5 0.0 0.503969 0 PE5T JO33 23 1908 -12 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1914 -10 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1916 -25 0.0 0.503879 0 G7NKS IO92 17 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, LF!
I am glad, that my written record of your signal has bee= n your new record. Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: james.cowburn@virgin.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:44:43 +0000
Subject: LF: RE= : WSPR_OK

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">1200km!!!= !  new record for me!!

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> 

With best regards

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

Jim

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Lubos= OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010 19:= 24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Subject: LF: WSPR_OK

 

H= ello LF!

1854  12  1.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -17  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1906  -5  0.0   0.503969  0 PE5T JO33 23
1908 -12  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1914 -10  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1916 -25  0.0   0.503879  0 G7NKS IO92 17

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1= s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED inf= ormace.


Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_4d0b2afe-0ff2-484b-8dfd-28c0c21f3338_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.25]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-864e4b5cbefe2cc; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CCCC8380000A8; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZADc-0001se-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZADb-0001sV-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZADY-0002sj-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAC835D7EC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.42]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id KtSCfr; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:59 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801ca9d3e$0e38d820$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: References: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 60 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194b5cbefc7570 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Walter! Today your signal on WSPR mode: 2034 -26 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2036 -21 0.1 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2038 -23 0.2 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2042 -23 0.1 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2044 -20 0.0 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2046 -24 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2050 -26 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2052 -28 0.1 0.505090 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2056 -29 0.2 0.505091 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2100 -25 0.1 0.505092 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2102 -26 0.2 0.505092 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2106 -26 0.2 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2110 -26 0.2 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2112 -28 0.1 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2116 -28 0.4 0.505093 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2120 -25 0.2 0.505094 0 DI2AG JN59 27 2122 -23 0.1 0.505094 0 DI2AG JN59 27 etc... 73! Mracin SQ2BXI Dear MF, just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-8bb54b60b3ef1c2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E478B3800017C; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFge-0005n0-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFgd-0005mr-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:31 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFga-00078G-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:31 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so11239pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zJB7IdKAMQqzdvjItH1xPXA+zRXVrfIRTcJfHyTKGZw=; b=XL8cKjt3Gs4U4Sq9npwBj/O5l6by6PKIzzcRRNiFXNwuc7kiKn3/5TxuvMYYBjWMDJ W7Tfvl4FtT1GOM8l5J3NP2iVT2b9sjJuqA/O+pWyVzLNLwG2b5JZxPRKPAFNNnTPhX4J 3AK/2b9NX+iISBmdjcSnsfypP3QK0Xs3/ncW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XqB3aUnDOBF9FdYJYzG0oN3Ky39wbj3GlpxHQGw3XcTLz5COASSRab4fmOHgowyMwg VegIal7R2J92Y66t04l1EPa0CoL1o4CEHlZdYpXhPmAIOdFJbrwp/Qv0CxeMqKHHgMgo 9/DKNi3D9vK2PqZSH8VgnXCee8a4Cla5bQ2gQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.21 with SMTP id e21mr5472972rvi.53.1264628660837; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:44:20 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f1570d3aebb2019 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b60b3ed3da4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/27 James Cowburn > Hi Gary > > > > Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. > > > > I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing > > With best regards > > > > *Jim* > > Dr. James Cowburn > > E james.cowburn@virgin.net > > > > *The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not > read this message. > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not > intended to be contractually binding. > If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the > message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. > *** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Gary - G4WGT > *Sent:* 27 January 2010 21:03 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A > > > > Rik, & Andy, > > > > Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. > > > > Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the > text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. > > > > If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short > period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so > in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. > > > > Let me know. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot > > -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > > > > Gary, > > > > solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. > > But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. > > Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > LF, > > > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. > > > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > > > > > --000e0cd1190c1a1ea7047e2c4eca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decode= r is indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB= may bring you up.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>

Hi Gary

=A0

Just got two dec= odes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

=A0

I have replied= with my call and locator on odd minute txing

With best regard= s

=A0

Jim

=A0Dr. James Cowburn

E <= font size=3D"2">james.cowburn@virgin.net

=A0=

The information transmitted is inte= nded only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privile= ged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified= that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of an= y action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other tha= n the intended recipient is prohibited.=A0 Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the messa= ge as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.

=A0

Rik, & Andy,

=A0

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy= for answering Rik's query.

=A0

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call= so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afi= eld.

=A0

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce= the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment= so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

=A0

Let me know.

=A0

73, Gary - G4WGT -= IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but ma= y contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;

=A0

Gary<= /font>,

=A0

solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.<= /font>

But the signal is clearly audible, CW wo= uld be armchair copy.

Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A pr= oduces a usable decoding ?

=A0

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tisc= ali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 janu= ari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A=

LF,

=A0

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial fre= quency 502.300 kHz USB.

=A0

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

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--0016363b9cac11af63047d08f7bb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-5ef14b45c84397; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:40:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D85A4380000F5; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqiU-0001bb-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSqiU-0001bS-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqiS-0003fr-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 17207 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 11:39:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QdhF4QGOsP8SDzYryF+oPxaR4TJ/4Yatz9j/t0NC1gIr/NoOEjhuJSGzRyihHuap/7GjI5eqxqebRyyfqV3DO7hFUTd0GLZRtxygzDQwlGdKuEycMWtEQxByHOtzGJ8DhWfopoplNvd1+4e5YQAmgo7PRy2YbnR+aVTyhl3P5PQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 11:39:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: QbkiEBkVM1mE3HUWW6_7GbJTQKWcGwUWP.jcZczC5iCwf.AjLHr9efzXG9d3KS2N.rmMTTGAYKS_K12Z6JOCBbF4KsPqSC277aPZJMeDylnEF9mIQLhmHT51O9yJPMtznmrjhb33dGQYD8sLh0xp.fj7WdDFza9UcDFS.RfLSC10sXUbgsANy2zI2S.SnKPGGbicEj5.70DoaAZNWxYavu85p95ZvnTn1nCdaqP.FhqNoeo1frKPdvKdfOlvBH4QK1hJN38OAsQ3eh9.yg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:39:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b45c8414478 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the actual "12th test" message probably just means something between the 11th test and the 13th test ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > MF grp > This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to > some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if > someone > thinks it is NE from EU. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9a64b5b6a1c19; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b5b6a1c19; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnWE-0008Vq-F2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnWE-0008Vh-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:46 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnWC-0008FM-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:45 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100123212738.XVQS4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:38 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnW6-00025O-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:38 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <008101ca9c72$e2720b10$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqcRm682sHRpbOGQYS7YOmuGzrN9AALEz3Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=p8ex0WKpL7wA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=hoYmPXBU4_V_-4OqqMAA:9 a=A2n4H9n4KAGN-TZSt_8A:7 a=6C5nkvmx1BL7j2OPNIHkgPElCWwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=pN4LrjuOzzbDUXRhqJUA:7 a=eKAQWY8m42hhtS1gVCrUpozFCAYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry but my appliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn't transmiited! I am now sending and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn Sent: 23 January 2010 16:09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry but my ap= pliance was operated incorrectly and so I hadn’t transmiited!   I am now se= nding and also rxing G4WGT at -14db to -8db

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of J= ames Cowburn
Sent: 23 January 2010= 16:09
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: G7NKS tran= smitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial

 

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4   50= 2.3  dial

------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CA9C72.E2720B10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5a84b56256a186; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG023-5a84b56256a186; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLhp-0003w8-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLhp-0003vz-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLhl-0000Ni-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so4698249pzk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8Kul+2T1Bl8qI1IS9F7lLTWStOzzGaCeogFAynxp00o=; b=HYlzTf34o9uz75IC80eIJABxmx3pb/Q59kC2BAFy/4nLJEbnDr1yWx8XafgAviknQ/ r5SwnpaJL1Z3cDK7JGe69gbyJcLCbKj+Xy3iFrvqrOHMfwazA7pQP7gbgDjRUPNUBnRK 7vI4EmY1exIjUzyLoHwBxc2eqJ1HGizjL2mDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=o25bs4GYAqE7IBDIxcJlQzAlxs0TP0Id7bR3r8J7iWjX8Y0BnldtvFMWTJB5bnXOJe UYGLYAjN0jhi6ElFNL9bOau9t9vLIZt6BXKVn9VKvWefZ0K/StfO9PmiIRQMj6gm3pV1 N6ca6H0I93jTqmGStl5POIvVOy/CPgZLsxSJo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.12 with SMTP id p12mr2836329rvi.269.1263936814331; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:34 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: acc6fba03cccd18c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m204.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Andy, Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand. Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character format which can be used (transmitted)?? I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time. 73 Gary. 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 > characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and > the WSJT documantation > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi Ko, >> >> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >> >> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >> >> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>> >>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>> >>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>> >>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>> >>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Gary >>> Just received: >>> >>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>> >>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy,

Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partial= ly understand.

Does it mean that the other JT4 mo= des are different in the character format which can be used (transmitted)?= ?

I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean= time.

73

Gary.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.= com>
In its plain=A0text mode which you= have used, it can cope with just 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://w= ww.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documant= ation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while tonight= I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation= is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



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--000e0cd10632d63688047d8b385a-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-5ea94b5d946b163; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:54:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3FDB2380000EC; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZOQh-0004i6-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZOQh-0004hx-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZOQe-000841-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:31 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:52:24 +0100 Message-ID: <989EC519816046A693C93ECEADE046E3@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <6B20C5A86EA54AF3A298CCA35D49282B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:52:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 12:52:25.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E219B10:01CA9DBD] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b5d946a2ba9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Roelof,bedankt voor je bericht,helmaal begrepen, 73s henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: 509KHZ CAPTURE Z and BL 25-01.jpg > Hello Henny, > > I see on your sceenshot that BL-410 has an extra "E". > This indicates that it is operating on its back up transmitter. > > All NDB's have a back up transmitter that automatically is switched on > when the main transmitter develops a fault. > > Monitoring stations will spot the "E" and have some maintenance personel > directed to the transmitter site. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.212]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-85fe4b3f40b9e1; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:48:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB69C38001CC8; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR3Jb-0003wU-1A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR3Ja-0003wL-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:42 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR3JY-0005uX-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:42:42 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F37A91C0008C for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E65171C0008D for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.88.133]) by mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 615F71C0008C for ; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:42:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100102124234398.615F71C0008C@mwinf3403.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <03F7926EAFFA41FF9A53636866EA7B41@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:42:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d44b3f3f8f3a24 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: M. Sanders=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl=20 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet publi= shed the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Dutc= h Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflector= that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, starting= in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs= VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegan= g tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de effec= ten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de ra= ndvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz ba= nd. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale= voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moete= n hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collec= tieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inho= ud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de vereniging= en nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaar= den voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddel= s met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de vereniging= en verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen= individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen= komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz= zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend= via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA8BA9.0848C0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

From: M. Sanders
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy?

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dutch= Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for th= e 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the mos= t recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all t= heir=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about th= e process.=20 It is not even clear if notifications to participate&nb= sp;in the=20 experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have already been pr= ocessed by=20 the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF inte= rested parties=20 via this reflector that the transmissions like the one recor= ded=20 below and and therfore QSO's with PA stations may still=  be=20 regarded as an act of 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, tra= nsmitting=20 on an frequency band without official permission. It looks like= it is not=20 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on 600m unit official publication= s have=20 been issued by Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA ha= ve=20 informed indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participa= tion to=20 the experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date= =20 somewhere in the future will be in order, and not= legalising=20 transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010=20 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of= 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atl= antic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio pi= racy' but=20 not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on=  his=20 innovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to rep= eat it=20 self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz vo= or=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober= 2009 zijn=20 afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen= zullen=20 onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieb= and in=20 relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld= voor de 500=20 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nat= ionale=20 voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten= hiervoor=20 een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom.

Om het onderzoek te kunne= n=20 uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collectieve experimenteervergunni= ng aan bij=20 Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud van de aanvraag van de=20 experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog overleg met de co= =F6rdinator=20 voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoerin= g van het=20 experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. 

Als vergu= nninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de= uitvoering=20 van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informere= n hoe zij=20 in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom= niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via deze= =20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 01, 201= 0 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you.<= /DIV>

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>
I just worked= PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good=20 signals.

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T




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Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:52:25 +0300 Message-ID: <4B60B590.6000409@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:52:16 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <038501ca9f97$a44761a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi LF Oops.. my beacon on PA-grabber http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html Dmitry ra3yo From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-8e64b4508a720f; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:03:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b4508a720f; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:03:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdxR-0000Mi-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:02:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSdxQ-0000MZ-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:02:24 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSdxO-0002Is-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, Here it is maximum RST 329 and strong long QSB. 73 Andrey > Here it is 559 with remarkable little qsb. > Sounds almost like local. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Albert : > >> Hello Mal, Gary and Jim, >> >> Signal hr in JO33DE, S7 at the moment, my K9AY tells me it comes from the >> north east. >> >> 73, Albert PA0A >> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b5c889a15f; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:51:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81CFD380001D9; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6bT-00087u-5t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ6bS-00087l-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from mx75.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ6bQ-0001BP-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from [84.42.76.65] (port=56542 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NZ6bK-000GsC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:18 +0300 Message-ID: <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:10 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100104 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: YO 24-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b5c889658f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) HI Henny, On capture UA3PW (PW) and RA3YO (Y) 73! Dmitry henny van elst wrote: > Hi LF, > Capture ra3yo > henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > YO 24-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-862c4b40edfd1ed; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:20:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7FCC638000C66; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVu4-0004Vg-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVu4-0004VX-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVu2-0001dc-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:14:16 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o03EQiWk010584 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:26:44 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:14:13 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:14:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: DK7FC DFCW Thread-Index: AcqMhOQHoW716yj6RUaCt2N+CwWI0AAIqfVE References: <1837247464.20100103145118@dx.ru> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.657;03.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.3.190317 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA8.EFA6EE93" Subject: LF: AW: DK7FC DFCW X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b40ecc9160d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA8.EFA6EE93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed and mni tnx for the picture!!!! That is the maximal distance from wh= ich i have got a RX rprt!! (2233km). And just in DFCW3 ;-)=20 =20 Sorry Ed, in the afternoon the wind was very unstable and so i had no chan= ce to do a QSO. I had the clearest RX SNR ever and saw the first time, tha= t the background noise is rising in the evening (no local QRM but rather= band opening, so QRN). =20 Let's try it next weekend (if there is wind, but it will be ;-) ). I am su= re, we will get the QSO! =20 I already have received your signals in 2003 with O, so looking forward :-= ) =20 73 and gd dx!! =20 Stefan ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Ed RU6LA Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: DK7FC DFCW DK7FC now I'll be QRV abt 20min ago 73! 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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all LF Operators. The Seasons Greetings to all LF Operators worldwide.=20 I hope to be on 500kHz more often in 2010, local broadband conditions= permitting, my QTH is about 3km from the serving exchange, due to the= high line attenuation there are no broadband carriers above 500kHz,= giving the broadband signal a marginal S/N, thus allowing me to opera= te with 100mW ERP only during unsocial hours. 73s. Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all LF Operators.
The Seasons Greetings to all LF Opera= tors=20 worldwide.
 
I hope to be on 500kHz more often in= 2010, local=20 broadband conditions permitting, my QTH is about 3km from the serving= exchange,=20 due to the high line attenuation there are no broadband carriers above= 500kHz,=20 giving the broadband signal a marginal S/N, thus allowing me to operat= e with=20 100mW ERP only during unsocial hours.
 
73s.
Ken
 
M0KHW
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA8AE4.FB236D60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b50ab1733a; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 145ED3800008C; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqJW-0002m7-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqJW-0002ly-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: from smtp826.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqJS-0001A8-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 57138 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zVlDs6y54C0hzgEo4jJN+fcy/vE4E6qtWgGLIGKQzoV0i4rFpNsNlQVGzDc/csJ3XJcZcsGo8PNfkwfpzJCR8uH2bKTlAQe8244PEhaefnuSrlGUO3prkNFjScQSPHQOtevYiNPtZRbPJcYsyODO5XkAVhTyz2hYxzeI6VIOOxE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp826.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: HNUzHL0VM1lFBNzRckyrBTXPh90qt6QvjsjDxUCdHaFpzi1SkqPrgTCcbdfFlEJsHYyvqqVLOg27bQ9v4k2Ql7SeLHFlXUYSbbEPaJx0JHPGiS5bEp0bnamYvy1pnk.flLZuomyMvlAEDA.VnG1QTdFW9LSi7bWHL6B1iX7X38a6Kf12ocmd3r9y_gSAuRYhUpO8DONMNayHhYc6p.xFONgrEScXG6g145AxNnOts0TSmw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b50ab1504b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, Nothing unusual visible/audible here... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.223]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-a97c4b3facf490; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:30:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3462C3800017E; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAbg-0006hR-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAbf-0006hH-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:51 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAbe-0007zD-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:51 +0000 Received: from COL122-W53 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:29:43 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 20:29:44.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[518FB0E0:01CA8BEA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_" Subject: LF: IK1HSS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b3facf05881 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IK1HSS is on 137.725, mode DFCW3 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. 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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly= . Kter=FD po= =E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_fb9b943a-7586-49c5-ae03-c077d20e5a93_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.76]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b6218bdf9; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B131B38000108; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NadRJ-0004NL-7e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NadRI-0004NC-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:16 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NadRG-00037W-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:06:16 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9566F20000065 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.3.148.9]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BBB220000059 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B621864.3030501@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:06:12 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Signal strengths, WSPR reports , propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4b6218bb5c5d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Rik, James,LF group it is going to be long.... sorry... Some time ago Jim, G7NKS began a new topic on this reflector. it was about a link budget for wspr at given distance. Recently, Rik, ON7YD has made a nice thing i.e. comparing reception levels of three stations using a 'small statistics' - that is exactly what wspr stands for. investigations of propagation paths, limits etc... Being 'triggered' by these two mails and , additionaly, by a phrase 'mill' used by Rik which translated into polish sounds very much like my surname ( Mlynarski) Mlyn=mill :) I started to think about the estimate of an effective electric field 'felt' by RX station. Later, I will use Rik's collected data as numerical example. Due to the enormous and variable noise at my qth my reception data is not appropriate and lacks some stations. I like to do such 'guesstimates' almost from the scratch, so let me start from the 'basics' i.e. classical electrodynamics which states that in a free space the power P radiated by an isotropic antenna in a distance R has its density: D=P/(4*pi*R*R). On the other hand, the mean magnitude of a Poynting vector (D) can be expressed by an electric field: D = E*E/(2*120*pi) ( 120pi = 377ohm=impedance of a free space) Combining these two one gets that the amplitude of an electric field E equals: E = sqrt(60*P)/R. if R is in [km] then E is expressed in miliVolts/metr, P is in Watts. I assume that we are dealing with a short vertical monopole so following Rik's explanations ( veeery useful post to the reflector! ) its directivity gain is 3 but as the power in wspr reports is given as ERP power so it must be multiplied by a factor of 1.64 in order to replace power P (isotropic) in the last formula by ERP*1.64 , where "ERP" is the reported erp power. Also, we can multiply E by 0.707 to get the effective signal strength E(eff): E(eff) = 0.707*sqrt(60*ERP*1.64)/R I focus ONLY on the ionospheric propagation and 1 hop. At the night, the absorption of incoming wave (500kHz) to the ionosphere is really small so , at first approximation, can be simply ommited and we are left now with relatively simple geometric considearations with further assumption that the distance between station a (TX) and station b (RX) is not an earth arc but a straight line, segment. {sure, it can be done more precisely taking into account mean earth radius etc...) The wave is propagating from TX antenna with an elevation(take-off) angle alfa, the reflection takes place in E layer, say, 120 km above earth (H) and the distance between stations a and b is "d". At the RX place we are interested in the vertical component of incoming reflected wave being doubled by reflection from the earth and assumed antenna characteristic is described by a certain function A(theta) {theta= usual notation of one of the angles in spherical coordinate system) In the case of a short vertical monopole: A(theta) = sine(theta) = cosine(alfa) so we have: E(eff) = E(eff)*2*cos(alfa)*cos(alfa) R in formula for E(eff) becomes: sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) and cos(alfa) = d/sqrt(d*d + 4*H*H) (in the course of programming it is convenient to multiply E(eff) by 1000 thus getting the values in microVolts/m) The above final formula gives real values of an effective signal strength. It is a 'product' of fundamental physics and simple geometric considerations. Obviously, there is an ample room for improvements but as i am not a radio-comm specialist i just do not know how to make it - some reflection losses, absorption attenuation which both seem to be frequency and (probably) time dependent etc.. Anyway, here comes 'numerical'side.. I took Rik's qth as RX station and the values of erp power as reported in wspr database ( or e-mails) by the TX stations: G4JNT: 420 km and 200 miliWatts of ERP pwr G3ZJO: 411 km 0.2 mW G3XBM: 337 km 1 mW H = 120 km ( the height of reflection point) (have found in literature it is 110-120 km on average) calculated values of E(eff) are: G4JNT: 9.777 microVolt/m G3ZJO: 0.311 G3XBM: 0.711 calculated relative differences of signal strengths: (first, 'left', stations are favored) G4JNT-G3XBM: 22.77 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 29.95 dB G3XBM-G3ZJO: 7.18 dB Now, the same differences made by Rik (night receptions, wspr readouts, averages etc..) G4JNT-G3XBM: 15 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 23 dB G3XBM-G3ZJO: 8 dB In the case of Roger,"Water Pistol", G3XBM and Eddie, "Dripping Tap", G3ZJO theory and experiment are fairly consistent if Andy, "Big Gun", G4JNT had run only 40 mW ERP then his E(eff) would be 4.372 microVolt/m so then the calculated diferences: G4JNT-G3XBM: 15.78 dB G4JNT-G3ZJO: 22.96 dB (pretty nice matching..) Final conclusion: "Big Gun" shrinks ! :) Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI053-eac84b4b6c871e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:23:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF43C380000A0; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOtt-0004pk-6w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOts-0004pb-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOtp-0003C0-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMGAFP7SktZ8XOf/2dsb2JhbACIJtAahC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="274973181" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.115.159]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 18:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:21:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4b6c80549c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Om Like you suggest two licences A and B Licence A Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate. Licence B Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them. What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall when we had a QSO or heard you. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > frequencies. > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO kinds of ham radio licenses... > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques or experiment old ones, either by building > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where "communication" is to be intended with the > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to talk with other B-licensed persons, usually of > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, or by operating a mechanical switch that > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-85f04b5c2051391; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:26:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 128F0380000F5; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzes-0003lF-Ge for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzes-0003l5-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzeq-0006Yc-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYzem-0006rL-02; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:24 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bpi6huZXQh3tALOnuwVTYoKBBG7ZNq9sqqCzrIqbd7C5U-AQyznsSU9ilWwpivyZvh@[84.147.206.170]) by fwd10.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NYzel-1HvjPM0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002501ca9cdf$89d4b8a0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <004001ca9c51$813245c0$6402a8c0@e7010> <00bd01ca9c7a$308f47c0$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bpi6huZXQh3tALOnuwVTYoKBBG7ZNq9sqqCzrIqbd7C5U-AQyznsSU9ilWwpivyZvh X-TOI-MSGID: 23c8a811-fd44-45c6-b19b-962ad3c840ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5c204f4522 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marcin, thanks for your reports. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG WSPR > Hello Walter > Your signal on WSPR mode: > > 2108 -24 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2118 -24 1.1 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2124 -26 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2126 -25 0.9 0.505088 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > 2134 -24 1.0 0.505089 0 DI2AG JN59 27 > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > > Dear MF, > DI2AG is now running WSPR until tomorrow morning. Power 0.4W ERP, > QRG 505,093KHz, dial 503,6KHz. > Last week I built a xmtr mixer with parts from the VOM-junkbox ( Very Old > Man ). Tubes ECH81=6AJ8 oscillator and mixer, EF80=6BX6 as amplifier, > xtal 4234KHz, signal wspr 37xxKHz. Followed by the regular solid state > amplifier. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB061-85f24b3f1413329; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16AA938000095; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Ph-0003Nf-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR0Ph-0003NW-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR0Pf-0005FI-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:36:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUEAJiiPktZ8rFi/2dsb2JhbACCF4sqBsNQhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,488,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="401634819" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.242.177.98]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 09:36:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca8b8f$1736c510$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:36:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b3f141265d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Strong signals from PA0A, PA0B, PA0C recently and over XMAS strong sig= nals from PAT, TEST XMAS, IBHE, MGY. Band acty seems to be improving. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: pa0shy@veron.nl=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? To all LF, Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet pub= lished the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot the Du= tch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those able to= understand Dutch language the most recent official publication is quo= ted below. However not all their memebers seem to have been adequately= informed about the process. It is not even clear if notifications to= participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs have alrea= dy been processed by the organisations. I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this reflect= or that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and therfore= QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio pira= cy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QSO with PA on= 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom Aut= horities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio Amateurs= in writing about their participation to the experiments transmitting= on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future will be in= order, and not legalising transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-20= 10 0:00LET.=20 Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, startin= g in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's from PA.= The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio piracy' but not= fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented him on his inn= ovative achievement. History sometimes has the tendency to repeat it= self. Kind regards, Best 73's, Michael Sanders, PC4M QUOTE: >> Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs 23-12-2009=20 Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateu= rs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toeg= ang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen onderzoeken wat de eff= ecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze frequentieband in relatie tot de= randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz= band. De resultaten van het onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nation= ale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen mo= eten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een coll= ectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de in= houd van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigi= ngen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwa= arden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmidd= els met de VRON en VRZA besproken.=20 Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigi= ngen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunne= n individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunne= n komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment.=20 Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500= kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit beke= nd via deze website.=20 < I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Strong signals from PA0A, PA0B, PA0C= recently and=20 over XMAS strong signals from PAT, TEST XMAS, IBHE, MGY. Band acty see= ms to be=20 improving.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Saturday, January 02,= 2010 1:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500k= Hz / legal=20 or piracy?

To all LF,
 
Please beware that the official Dut= ch Telecom=20 Agency has not yet published the issue of experimental licences for= the 600m=20 band tot the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and /=20 or VRZA. For those able to understand Dutch language the= most recent=20 official publication is quoted below. However not all = ;their=20 memebers seem to have been adequately informed about= the=20 process. It is not even clear if notifications to=20 participate in the experiment by individual Radio Amateurs = ;have=20 already been processed by the organisations.
 
I am most sorry to inform all LF in= terested=20 parties via this reflector that the transmissions like the=20 one recorded below and and therfore QSO's with PA=20 stations may still be regarded as an act of 'radio piracy'=  by=20 the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band without offi= cial=20 permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to QS= O with PA=20 on 600m unit official publications have been issued by Dutch Telecom= =20 Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed indivual Radio= Amateurs=20 in writing about their participation to the experiments tr= ansmitting=20 on 600m. I suppose a starting date somewhere in the future = ;will=20 be in order, and not legalising transmissions 'after= the=20 fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. 
 
Dutch Amateurs have a rich history= of 'illegal'=20 first-QSO's, starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans= Atlantic=20 QSO's from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio= piracy'=20 but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and complimented= him=20 on his innovative achievement. History sometimes has the= tendency to=20 repeat it self.
 
Kind regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael Sanders, PC4M
 
 
 
 
QUOTE: >>
 
Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz= voor=20 radiozendamateurs

23-12-2009 

Tijdens het overleg met de=20 belangenverenigingen voor radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktob= er 2009=20 zijn afspraken gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De veren= igingen=20 zullen onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze=20 frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC 201= 2 zijn=20 voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het onderzoek wo= rden=20 ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie voor de WRC 2012= (NVC). De=20 verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport indienen bij Agentschap=20 Telecom.

Om=20 het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een collect= ieve=20 experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over de inhoud= van de=20 aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de verenigingen nog= overleg met=20 de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De randvoorwaarden voor de aanvr= aag en de=20 uitvoering van het experiment zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA=20 besproken. 

Als vergunninghouder van de=20 experimenteervergunning zijn de verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor= de=20 uitvoering van het experiment. Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamate= urs=20 informeren hoe zij in aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelnam= e aan dit=20 experiment. 

Individuele aanvragen voor een=20 experimenteervergunning voor de 500 kHz zullen door Agentschap Telec= om niet=20 worden gehonoreerd .

Zodra de=20 experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit bekend via de= ze=20 website.

<<UNQUOTE

 

<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Friday, January 01,= 2010 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 50= 0kHz

Rik,=20

Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you= .

73

Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe <= Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
I=20 just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals.

73,= Rik=20  ON7YD -=20 OR7T


------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CA8B8F.17024790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-9044b4de65a14f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:27:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD054-9044b4de65a14f; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:27:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV56y-0003vk-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV56y-0003vb-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV56w-0000k6-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 7895 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 15:26:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Vf2QSt61xgATX5NZ6I9VEw7CyH16OdXrd2ZhTqPzrXAdcI/fi8/ULZN6YbedPeBPhq2maU/9y2ztmbwlF6uDiLrjmxRC/ZFYl37v2k8NpJjc48pMK7UCMzJHJn2QGbG9eO6SKUeVbfss1942+ZaCgqcIwpH3oCOM0o5C+lynh3o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 15:26:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 9zxst8kVM1kO5StaWftR9qxAM3gDC_EhgizVA_mpcP53vmeKqvTmRMC0nrHXczaCYGD9gSdjDUxdqZcXvYizfyZNr5WvPUECH5jvDbu1bOea3CWh7L234IjkK93lZyESBRxhtMdOVYEUoN71rgepvjgNMdkYuT5tOSw0s4o53Z2ujfE6zWjG0Moxg15fYFnHxA6zdZDLyhQR0VLMCSoUlV_02ezWiNkpR1SmzVjg5nWB3Xk9N9B9RlTnZJu7C.EAEfQTJk_3aIY62Z2uXQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3C7515D8E8B4467A8CF7A04C8C26F2C2@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:26:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, In a class D circuit, optimum switching conditions occur more or less when the tank circuit is resonant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characteristics like in class E mal/g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI064-eacd4b58cca416e; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:52:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 60462380000CF; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4wI-0007yn-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4wI-0007ye-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4wG-0000bg-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:42 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so550525fxm.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:51:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ahbwV607+zOnk08D5KNHw8knzBLv0OV4z9ygf58f17s=; b=SNw+aeuAH3dubg+uY3NbBAbkzyUYVz/vNa3Il+iySzlDr+3GdBszlED+L4V1R8oJIp OZVFK3A0gtz0U4e56CWk/E8G4yiYeftrhCrdWfsm2ZQ0q2kjdqk3ACcqta84RLr3cIBl NCsr5EZaj4ujQW/+16zQPaTKMV/jwufRvnn5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lH+gVXwWX9MbpqozRATH3FoDdlOkWYCtp9misQUhsnuELumt/13xqcGwr+tH3s7ihX KHD7v7edkirTXdSpvyzpMVXmwbcLnmqSgMDQeFHNQ60LgzIjc+GOyG8/3RuogP0qoPYz e6y+Pz5dhK4Nb7mw2VD0r7nuJwMU5UR7cCyHY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.84 with SMTP id 20mr226115hby.147.1264110693175; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:51:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:51:33 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b58cca245a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not B...G. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > Andy, > > You wrote :- > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. > > Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always > within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those > figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified > in the manual. > > There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in > the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is > that of any help to me? > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>> >>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>> replies. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001636457f96d2d417047db3b460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.







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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b5c28f47548 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message got bounced the first time...too big... -----Original Message----- From: Dave G3WCB [mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com] Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes ! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters - saves on bandwidth and heat :-) ) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01CA9CE4.BA0114B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message got bounced the first time...too big...
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave= G3WCB=20 [mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 24 January 2010= =20 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject:= QRP'p=20 500KHz from an Altoids tin - <report>

Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I=20 think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here=20 is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SP= M-30 with=20 a 24 Hz IF bandwidth
 
By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid= QRSS-DFCW signal, which=20 contains elements of both modes&= nbsp;!  
 
(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashe= s on a single frequency, and=20 drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. Wit= h Double=20 frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and spac= e=20 frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters  - saves on bandwidth and heat :-)=20 ) 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England
 
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a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZyrPyom3X/3WkV4RaDhAKb98Qp01SzM+4YhrOIQ6B3rvOpNflwqskBGEjJovBWGCjH m+RKAgl9cbup7Zy7LhK8IYYrVmSyvFnQICsXv7ZbLfgiMfCySYUYg0fexkpFkKY0iTXC NPl1lSCDLlyj6nKPZo+3lgASZsMpAtKsxxJe4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.138 with SMTP id h10mr1451495bkd.197.1263575946293; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:19:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:19:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4b50a3cf68a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton > Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum. Some > ones WSPR gone wrong?? > > G3KEV > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a19a6d00a0047d37336e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.

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Hi All,
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Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRpaJ-0007Uw-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:15:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEABmjQUtOlVWU/2dsb2JhbACNPwbGeYQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="259591125" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.85.148]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 16:14:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004401ca8d59$0431aa90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRV MF/LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b42144c6aea X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QRV on 502.6 kcs CW QTR 1612 Z also 137.7 kcs CW and QRS 3=20 De mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Now QRV on 502.6= kcs=20 CW  QTR 1612 Z also 137.7 kcs CW and QRS 3
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8D59.038D2D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME102-9d64b467a4c174; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:20:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME092-9d64b467a4c174; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:20:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NT2ZH-0003fs-Jb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NT2ZH-0003fj-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NT2ZF-0000Zn-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:19:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAMMIRktOlmvr/2dsb2JhbACIJ8w/hC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,238,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="414630048" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.107.235]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2010 00:18:58 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <84BA1C049D614AE49A02E14078F4B501@JimPC> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over Europe. Eddie G3ZJO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG061-5b64b5c195b3e3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:56:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG037-5b64b5c195b3e3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:56:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzBw-0003I7-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzBv-0003Hy-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:35 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzBt-0006Lc-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 69857 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 09:55:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=Dvp0rLdxEfx2QIp2Aqs/TzZqjgyR/kUX5VOnkD0oVhfWD6B0CkVgl2RhcV9ud/lM+HOJM/8lbaE+NqZNZVf3Bj/l+bsDEkNK5lmlFnJDhokcDN6IwPbHXMYECWS+MlOtjCFloFaRYm4PzoElVCR7VQKADtlEno6DB8wJVtVvxT0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.127.119 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 09:55:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: T7GevKMVM1lRDnWR0ZpWw92ha3es6COL_suu0nVnsyyS5zqcCHI1zn2oDLiMiZQXmdl_Fte6CuCpsHQsJ86kiEy2erde62qINBgCA6H9QOYnH5yw3hJbYC3GpyZ2ot88x9B7gJyDQznqClzVjrJzj_gBf_30pjGgZAcSuna3acsgTEZbrQ3tdva0vGbcjkwQUoyoeUFcwmhvGqabFTwO0YcS4IBhecmwwRpRsxnphUoAKgVAzdg0rmJsY0bjVS6f5CCnIbS4S_DjrE5LYIe9Ai1QmUer_g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:55:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Eddie. I'll put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception. 73, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Eddie.
 
I'll=20 put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve=20 reception.
 
73,=20 Dave
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz= Altoids=20 MEPT on

Hi=20 Dave

=  

Thanks= for the Grab,=20 yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirm= ation but=20 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for= =20 dinner.

=  

I will= give it=20 another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only= around=20 200mW .

=  

73

=  

Eddie=20 G3ZJO

=  

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Dave=20 G3WCB
Sent: 23 Ja= nuary 2010=20 20:39
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT=20 on

=  

Well,=20 Eddie,

=  

I think=20 I saw =  

73, Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM

=  

=  

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:<= /B>=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: knightsqrss@cnts.= be;=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids= MEPT=20 on

I have=20 my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver –= PA – Keyer),=20  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

 

Frequency=20 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3=20 FSK

 

Power=20 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total=20 current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

 

ERP=20 >=3D 1mWatt

 

All=20 reports very welcome

 

E= ddie=20 G3ZJO

=  

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA9CDB.68935F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94b5b513916d; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:42:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B65C438000060; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlrf-0007dS-Jb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYlrf-0007dJ-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYlra-0007ey-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B851F13C81B2C for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.67.247] (helo=mo77) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NYlrS-0003ZY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:34 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:33 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1941826499.20100123204133@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19FFdkFjmhsiCdzAZGS/CjzRx2mfnuSQhJlPwgI XOFz/4IHfrFyYQKDf89cQa09SN49Edsd1J+sGDoZu3TmOpEhMD 1v20fEJSCVwlszJbgneg== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 2010 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks and CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b5b51370e76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi all, The 2010 edition of the ENDBH & NANDBH handbooks and CDs is now available. The new ENDBH 2010 contains the data of more than 6700 NDBs on 160+ spiral-bound pages in A4 format and the NANDBH 2010 shows the data of more than 5800 NDBs on 130+ pages. The CD contains a Google Earth compatible NDB waypoint file that has been updated with the latest NDB coordinates so that you can "visit" NDB locations around the globe. The multimedia contents of the CD version have been expanded to a total of more than 170 NDB pictures and more than 230 NDB sound clips from around the world. In case you're interested in ordering a handbook or CD for other parts of the world please don't hesitate to ask, I'm able to produce customized versions for your special needs. Delivery of the CDs will be via download. In case you still want a physical copy of the CD please indicate this when ordering. Prices in Euro remained stable once again and foreign currency prices have been adjusted per the latest exchange rates. 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Please find all relevant details at the following URL: http://www.4shared.com/file/205366016/74eceb97/2010_NDB_info.html Once again I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all DXers who have sent me comments and updates, suggested improvements, pointed out errors, or provided NDB pictures and sound clips etc. Your continued support is very much appreciated! -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b5b5e8448; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4729938000085; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmkJ-0007tO-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmkJ-0007tF-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmkF-0005aD-QQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 20:38:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=3Ke1vn+CgVsAVcCJ9rN8TUCMSzBfrFUPDaPAwPQYgrrpCf2MX6LwXdJ7jqtjJIW6n73lpsyF7AsMwZRlgiGcsA2F+I7FIz824OKmzxDkpUxb5+PQ9+8959jNrL0xa+W5RNtogniS3Dxi440OULmGRgv0PZGDdPNuyEXYco6NMuE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.126.235 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:38:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: RC6kuI0VM1kOn1F9uH6rn4RIQhrvqqgwzGz3NTxYUhQhLaVmWtta3DhDbFK7S0j7FFr3S9.6sSjk_n7gFULnbgpWHL5vxUVpiBAaK76s3AdB0LFYNpTknqVEESyKg37a1BUJvxNafasRtrs1E5x7c3CiSrLsX.rRPpubTh3k.bEMFo69L_71lY.lFrRV17DS2GTWfsFnpFMAhzTsXI3NkCkLJZRufQHoC2Up0SHaZtHMeEfyZ2UNNlUQ.hHw.1ddIbGl1jxo3uYr4y5JQxcLWDrPshpMtg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:38:31 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000301ca9c33$cd2c0600$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9C6C.06C07E40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b5b5e827f15 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA9C6C.06C07E40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA9C6C.06C38B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well,=20 Eddie,
 
I=20 think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only= using a=20 miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500= =20 kHz.
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 g3zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56
To:=20 knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org;=20 GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT=20 on

I have= my QRPp=20 Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA –= ; Keyer),  500KHz=20 MEPT on now for a few hours.

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Frequen= cy=20 503.22KHz

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Modulat= ion QRSS3=20 FSK

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Power= 500mW at 50=20 Ohms

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Total= current=20 consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

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Antenna= 6m Top Load=20 Vertical

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ERP >= ;=3D=20 1mWatt

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All rep= orts very=20 welcome

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Eddie=20 G3ZJO

 

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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b503768048b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos, Keep looking for *G3XBM* please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms. 73s Roger 2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello OM=B4s! > I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and than I watched > WSPR station around sunrise in OK: > > 0458 -20 -1.3 0.503943 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0500 -26 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0500 -17 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0502 -21 -1.1 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0506 -22 -1.3 0.503949 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0508 -27 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0510 -26 -1.3 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0512 -23 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0514 -27 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0514 -29 -1.3 0.503950 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0518 -23 -1.2 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0520 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0522 -27 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0524 -13 2.0 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0526 -28 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0528 -12 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0530 -24 -1.0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0534 -27 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0536 -29 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0536 -26 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0538 -24 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0540 -25 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0544 -24 -1.1 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0546 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0550 -29 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0556 -19 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0600 -26 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > 0600 -14 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0602 -26 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0608 -15 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0608 -19 -1.2 0.503941 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0616 -12 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0620 -19 2.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0620 -24 -1.2 0.503942 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0624 -26 -1.3 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 > 0626 -21 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 > 0656 -23 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0700 -23 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0704 -21 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0712 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0720 -13 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0724 -22 0.0 0.503899 1 PA0A JO33 37 > 0728 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0734 -16 0.1 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0740 -19 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0744 -19 0.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > 0750 -25 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten > prav=FD? > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are= >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only= running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG &l= t;bvgbob@hotmail.com><= br>
Hello OM=B4s!
I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and= than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK:

0458 -20 -1.3=A0= =A0 0.503943=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0500 -26=A0 0.4=A0=A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4J= NT IO90 23
0500 -17=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0502 -21 -1.1=A0=A0= 0.503948=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0506 -22 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503949=A0 0 LA3EQ JO= 28 23
0508 -27=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0510 -26 -1= .3=A0=A0 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23
0512 -23=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0514 -27=A0 0.4=A0= =A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0514 -29 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503950=A0 1 LA3EQ= JO28 23
0518 -23 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0520 -14=A0= 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0522 -27 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0524 -13=A0 2.0=A0=A0 0.5= 03924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0526 -28 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503952=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28= 23
0528 -12=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0530 -24 -1.0= =A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0534 -27 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503952=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0536 -29=A0 0.3=A0=A0= 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0536 -26=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ= JO57 27
0538 -24 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0540 -25=A0= 2.2=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0544 -24 -1.1=A0=A0 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23
0546 -14=A0 2.1=A0=A0 0.5= 03924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0550 -29 -1.1=A0=A0 0.503942=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28= 23
0556 -19=A0 2.2=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0600 -26=A0= 0.3=A0=A0 0.503875=A0 0 G4JNT IO90 23
0600 -14=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0602 -26 -1.1=A0=A0= 0.503942=A0 1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0608 -15=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ= JO57 27
0608 -19 -1.2=A0=A0 0.503941=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0616 -12=A0= 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -19=A0 2.4=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -24 -1.2=A0=A0= 0.503942=A0 0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0624 -26 -1.3=A0=A0 0.503948=A0 0 LA3EQ JO= 28 23
0626 -21=A0 2.3=A0=A0 0.503924=A0 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0656 -23=A0= 0.0=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0700 -23=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0704 -21=A0 0.0=A0=A0= 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0712 -16=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0 0 PA0A JO= 33 37
0720 -13=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0724 -22=A0= 0.0=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 1 PA0A JO33 37
0728 -16=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503900=A0= 0 PA0A JO33 37
0734 -16=A0 0.1=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0740 -19=A0 0.3=A0=A0= 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
0744 -19=A0 0.4=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO= 33 37
0750 -25=A0 0.2=A0=A0 0.503899=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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--00032555505a9492d9047d30bcc4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5ee64b4f3cd9155; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:48:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B346038000040; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVRuR-0000Ao-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVRuQ-0000Af-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:54 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVRuO-0001o8-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:54 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAELLTktZ8PwJ/2dsb2JhbACNZAbLJoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="310393773" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.252.9]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 15:46:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:45:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b4f3cd72454 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V desig= n, at a modest height around 100 ft. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9530.9CA97300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-86504b5b689395; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:22:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F36F38000046; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnPd-0008Qu-Sp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnPc-0008Ql-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:56 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnPZ-0005qR-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:56 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1859336bwz.4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ydC8UlQAM0Lsem9McpxXYzcz+GHktDH5APD/694Q3UM=; b=HDCNmFV/Dyze9BDBK6SAe8cCzVTjrY1SNQrYe18k2SB3tDBIzBP39sNpTxDnQvfjv5 EhJ3fTU1ORzz898vOAH1TFBTi5Ps8wvShvi96hrSttvOCnX816ysHGN8phGOdozUAOXf gHtBKf+jpo9hH52jQYaqtvOOk+zBiSXqpLpFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=H27g10nLLI0cATjn8CWyq6NGAQdoxy1v477xZMlGYAISWbqblh1x/qzFFojt0jJ4Ts 1IJD22hCp6NiB17S6iRWcHXwLMwtknwnFRMyJVMC5z6B5TjqdhfModlDVDJ7ye42HiqD DYRtUvZtwEt8K5JsCtnRd+LHkKEO1y2frypAA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.17 with SMTP id f17mr170079bkd.95.1264281646894; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:20:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:20:46 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001231320g61fcb813t23d0163ee097b5ad@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555271675920f047ddb8283 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494b5b68921491 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555271675920f047ddb8283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you're happy to use a PC with all its complexity to see the trace then Mal. What an APPLIANCE operator you are! 73s (and said in fun only) Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 21:07, mal hamilton wrote: > There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS > because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has > never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace > is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted > message. > > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? > > Mal, > > There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I > expect, JT4A will get through when signals are *extremely* weak when CW > simply would not. > > Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and > see how you get on? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: > >> Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from >> others although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not >> onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs >> or cw in the first place. >> Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about. Dummies >> alias Appliance operators >> The word is ill-informedtry >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >> >> Mal informed. >> >> On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton wrote: >> >>> I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had the carrier >>> been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for the right >>> circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. >>> There are several traces now visible but only an odd >>> decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. >>> These signals are audible with me. >>> >>> >>> >>> g3kev >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? >>> >>> Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'm not >>> getting any decodes yet. >>> >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >>> On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: >>> >>>> After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code is designed >>>> for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, which is a bit >>>> antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more importantly, as >>>> my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough said... >>>> >>>> To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changing, so will >>>> put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For a beacon, WSPR has >>>> more to offer anyway. >>>> >>>> Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit with a >>>> bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB reduction in >>>> S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this bandwidth >>>> difference should be directly detectable between the two modes. The >>>> differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added error >>>> correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the same >>>> algorithm. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for this help Andy. >>>>> >>>>> I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but >>>>> could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If >>>>> JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to >>>>> people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some >>>>> more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I >>>>> am sure there will be others who would value this too. >>>>> >>>>> 73s >>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be >>>>>> one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it >>>>>> certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being >>>>>> heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those >>>>>> included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the >>>>>> WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to >>>>>> get it going is in there. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf >>>>>> *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* >>>>>> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT >>>>>> >>>>>> Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, >>>>>> but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of >>>>>> bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. >>>>>> (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used >>>>>> respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a >>>>>> dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from >>>>>> the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as >>>>>> straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling >>>>>> efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too >>>>>> wide and seems less user friendly. >>>>>> >>>>>> A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for >>>>>> use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of >>>>>> them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to >>>>>> abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder >>>>>> routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as >>>>>> JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe >>>>>> rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth >>>>>> (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered >>>>>> signal still had discrete tone energy). >>>>>> >>>>>> There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, >>>>>> the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org >>>>>> and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland >>>>>> http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before >>>>>> long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer >>>>>> provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. >>>>>> >>>>>> My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 >>>>>> signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would >>>>>> there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" >>>>>> waveforms will be lost for the duration? >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health >>>>>> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to >>>>>> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to >>>>>>> JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I >>>>>>> have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" >>>>>>> guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73s >>>>>>> Roger G3XBM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>>>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >>> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555271675920f047ddb8283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So you're happy to use a PC with all its complexity to see the trace= then Mal. What an APPLIANCE operator you are!=A0

73s (and said in= fun only)
Roger G3XBM

On 23 January= 2010 21:07, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
There cannot be a time when JT4 or WS= PR will be=20 received and not QRS because the trace is always visible long before a dat= a=20 decode. There has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decod= e. The=20 signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the=20 transmitted message.
=A0
G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple gu= ide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true, bu= t=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not.=A0

Here's an= idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you get= on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes=A0from others=A0although the signals are visible, like I said= =20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why complic= ate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /font>
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% wi= thout=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no need= for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a=A0QRS or CW=A0QSO =A0if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with=20 me.
=A0
=A0
=A0
g3kev
=A0
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.=A0 Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but= =20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot= <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon cod= e is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier,= which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=A0= And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear= one -=20 enough said...
=A0
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code chang= ing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.=A0=A0 For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer=20 anyway.
=A0
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz=A0 with a resulting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.=A0 The coding and demodulation are al= l=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly=A0detectable=A0between the two modes.=A0 The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the= added=20 error correction , sync and modulation=A0that matters - and th= ey=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lap= thorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha= nks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at= =20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks li= ke=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to peopl= e like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be= =20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this= =20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Ta= lbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was= never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is=20 now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular and documented code,= =20 being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432=20 /=A01296MHz,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'=A0=A0 If you downlo= ad and=20 read the WSJT=A0users guide and other supporting files,=20 there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is in= =20 there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wo= rse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being= =20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making= it=20 usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Although I think I'= ;ve=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively= on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascer= tain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight= =20 PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider,= needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user=20 friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= =20 something for use=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced varient of=20 them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=A0= and=20 in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to =A0enhance the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condition= s=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone sp= acing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scatt= ered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4= G=20 waveforms,=A0=A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0=20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.bi= z/gm4cxm/id14.html=A0=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode= to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing= =20 information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= =20 503.7/503.85 signals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by= =20 reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Would there be any interest,= =20 bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MHz type"= ;=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety= =20 police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to=20 health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and po= lar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is simi= lar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the= past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me= in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies"= guide, or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/<= br>http://www.g3xbm.= co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088




--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/=
http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
h= ttp://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088


--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0=20 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088



--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www= .youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM=20 =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL=20 G11088



--

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555271675920f047ddb8283-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c54b4c53344f; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:47:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c54b4c53344f; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:47:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeGb-0008Cs-9N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeGa-0008Cj-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:28 +0000 Received: from relay4.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeGY-0007nN-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.163) by relay4 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3593 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 10:46:20 -0000 X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.95.1 X-Scan-Status: AV clean (0.01489 seconds); AS clean (2.11053 seconds); Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.122]) (brian.rogerson@sapo.pt@[188.81.99.219]) (envelope-sender ) by mta13 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Jan 2010 10:46:18 -0000 From: Brian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1263293177.2379.6.camel@Slave23> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, LF On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:16 +0000, John P-G wrote: > Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond > its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS, > CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information > transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of > "self-training in radio communication". A minor point but a 24 hours continuous transmission of unmodulated, gps disciplined carrier on 137 KHz over 1000Km path (approx) apparently reveals quite interesting data on propagation dependent phase change if received appropriately. > Now, let's all just get on and play radio.... Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5bb4b50bed4158; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:15:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG042-5bb4b50bed4158; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:15:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrcm-0004pH-IX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrcm-0004p7-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrcl-0005we-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:24 +0000 Received: from COL122-W2 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:14:16 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:14:16 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 19:14:16.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE3A1030:01CA9616] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! All signals are getting better: 1858 7 0.6 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1900 -16 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1904 -22 -0.4 0.503843 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
All signals are getting better:

1858   7&nbs= p; 0.6   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
1900 -16  0.3&nbs= p;  0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1904 -22 -0.4   0.503= 843  0 PA0AM JO11 20

Lubos, OK2BVG
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Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.<= /body> =3D --_8e51b84e-c5a0-40c5-a944-7716e91ae388_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.31]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-8bc94b5b2a6124e; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:57:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01726380000B6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjHU-0006d1-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYjHU-0006cr-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYjHS-0004VZ-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:16 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3310166pxi.30 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oVbO/q8+5hdh3lYm+9Stea9gobYq4GVuKKJ236xNK4o=; b=vrVHWmWqIWItOitAgI7G3gQKcz7IO/kpefC2Cx6fV9O82t77gwGW+AgH2ViyQGTal6 0sfwINBdhBbqWAI/gb1rJneY5WM0MbgdoqMwHZ0xQFa8t790MbZFL+08v/vlN65sRwVn p8mEETRigYVeTCsis59+Ni58nYjnQgCK4042Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=LWXw3OcOFcbwMVIEEGdn1M7hgM8BTUvLNzEWd/LCd9+lA5yRyAhE9p4SkzXb2APtBY YZptzyvKfgCEHKKh4c/4hBfOM6XX7b8kb1kABMhFTz2/FFwnHEP+RtM6Pto0OtH1mllY knMTfayoPlMI7d85BzXSKCwm8UxJejCceKxBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.56.8 with SMTP id e8mr3110372rva.175.1264265766863; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:56:06 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 340f904b8c0c1b16 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601f4b5b2a5f7cb7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing seen yet, keep it going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? & USB, it probably is but you didn't state which JT4x. I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as before on 503.600 kHz. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowburn wrote: > G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4 502.3 dial > --001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,

Have been monitoring since 1633utc but nothing see= n yet, keep it going as I usually get your WSPR. Is the mode JT4A ?? &= USB, it probably is but you didn't state which JT4x.

I will be calling CQ after our meal a little later, frequency as befo= re on 503.600 kHz.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


On 23 January 2010 16:09, James Cowbur= n <james.= cowburn@virgin.net> wrote:

G7NKS transmitting CQ on WSJT4=A0=A0 502.3=A0 dial=


--001636b2b117ef8359047dd7cfb5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-8ba74b60954630a; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8241738000106; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdw-0003t4-SW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaDdw-0003sv-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaDdt-0005XH-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:36 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so4027223pwj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iAJm0UfeW2BK7oqG75L5pozQwAgCVzKkeYDu5skIlpk=; b=c/f0wvtqAyPHROI1jJmm6JrAJ6KHEg+Fzn9C4LTxv9i9yGb6lWkkNzNjNYNgr63TNm VfbUPFTDAD/HFw1z5KfPFB9UjOjVuBzGbtz5sWpPb9uRDNdTv/TG65N/jbkoz0bvvqPn PUW5zXKgvJ6bOMAUY6IRwpG+BaO+mSx/Av9CA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=mKGCrZdRt03gEKXfqAWVM1KRBZxnE1UNoBBlWcepIfhUOpJERNAkKtfKbNhmIiVdl7 73BgUkXQGhjMXmlDAwVZrib8er0et1aj7A1R1jNy6Ew9yZguW4ZzLfM9TAn9ffvgfkuc fYrA4Owex7HLACU2dbkHGqwgPMOh8YgxaZBOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.247.15 with SMTP id u15mr6864467rvh.166.1264620806790; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:33:26 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 883b9bdcb580cbe9 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b6095421cb0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo --000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF,

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo
--000e0cd1a106f6dde6047e2a7925-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a1d4b61663434; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:26:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG067-a1d4b61663434; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:25:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaRYB-0001hC-J1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaRYB-0001h3-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaRY9-0004lm-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:24:35 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0SAOP3b017665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:54:25 -0330 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:54:25 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <007f01ca9f96$fbf9bfc0$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001271344i7d681c40oeb6374d267ba7955@mail.gmail.com> <20100128075418.326ADF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik, Thanks for the report. 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Joe, > > good copy (539) around midnight local time (23 UTC). > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.90]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b538da118e; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:22:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFBFD38000060; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWdUS-0002Lj-FR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:21:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWdUS-0002La-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4b538d9f5ae3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Seems WE2XGR/6 is coming in FB in the EU for those listening. Interesting oddity is that both compound call and locator transmissions are decoded fine by the software, but only transmissions containing the 4 digit locator are being logged on the database. My log contains entries every 2 mins since 21:58utc, but database is only showing spots every 4 mins if you look. WD2XSH/XX seems to be recorded for both transmissions, and the only noticable difference is they use 6 digit locators. Net effect is that you are loosing 50% of the spot data from your current transmissions. 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= =20 All,
 
Seem= s WE2XGR/6 is=20 coming in FB in the EU for those listening.
Inte= resting oddity=20 is that both compound call and locator transmissions are decoded fine= by the=20 software, but only transmissions containing the 4 digit locator&n= bsp;are=20 being logged on the database.
My= log contains=20 entries every 2 mins since 21:58utc, but database is only showing spot= s every 4=20 mins if you look.
 
WD2X= SH/XX seems to=20 be recorded for both transmissions, and the only noticable difference= is they=20 use 6 digit locators.
 
Net= effect is that=20 you are loosing 50% of the spot data from your current=20 transmissions.
 
73,=
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA97C3.560C8B40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI022-eabb4b4a592612e; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:48:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F70D3800033E; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6Z2-0006SF-Lp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6Z2-0006S6-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6Z0-0005J2-Kx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D42011C00081 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6A8F1C00084 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.91.23]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 762CC1C00081 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:47:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100110224704484.762CC1C00081@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4a59242ce5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Looks like the wire is used from pole to house , has supporting wire= and thinner conductors in a pvc sheath=20 anyone any idea about its suitability for a long wire Ae ? tnx - G .. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GPO/BT Wire  No '10' any use for=   long=20 wire Ae ?
 
Looks like the  wire is used fro= m pole=20 to  house , has supporting wire and thinner conductors in a pvc= sheath=20
 
anyone any idea about  its suita= bility for=20 a  long  wire  Ae ?
 
tnx - G ..


------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA9246.D40824F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD032-8f14b4a61151cf; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:22:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD031-8f14b4a61151cf; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:21:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU75r-0006rX-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU75r-0006rO-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU75p-0001ht-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 48185 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1263165664; bh=gVO3yX2WgCmxwcPPqWE8VBm+l8weGhUw2G8EtbDwHn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vJS0tbrdCwBguekqyNMqVKk5IkbE1r5wpK46T/yjnrDSJUxdbnU5wwcPB4cohe8NZcECNH5GWCb4UB93Nw0pQdoOlizm9rlE7PugOt7iuC+kiM+zAPLWpAj9zbYymB7BG+JFvG7TUZ1h8pLWQh5oe0EZIEXb3SfEaDPk3ZIMEkw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qcK26uQ0yui0tiqNZFuSmf7f7GEecVPOasmEqLqkkfAtbbluDwjr6Fh1XQ/6P03iRQrdflW+emkU/5vNqEcpXt0W3dkNDt1EIuYQQekzF8I8+xgRWWH8iohvYe6y29/S4oT2PRkM3iahBp7kbPobr+MRAzG76tu8/LpgTrLVvXA=; Message-ID: <293775.46128.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ._b64PEVM1kdQW6Lfg1sfvmnmg3FYUgjxVTBWLqxtHooDJYGN5M1r.77oP66xLnkSCbklLhJ3yULLC.yaHnjTtenoeiws8i9mUMQkcYJtgy7REk7.tzAnusswjeKfFzFwTHKz7Oqj33pv5tGmGKreZEhkqmvzuWU632y9VaUJQXe4YFNYiWWwXz.Pfa2qVbN2uh9peuhgAvVWK4jM6CaJFkOsuQQAU69iBSYPEGMsWU8B1OvwY4PJGWZj_36quoV6_KOtRcJamwGi6ZT0zWIKYnnTryOcfFRuJIX0dvoyaBg66w9Ed8CWicBSibuOHT2TII- Received: from [213.122.33.10] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:21:04 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d256.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Graham I believe this is known as "drop-wire" ( I was not actually in= the Telphones area) If so it is a mixture of steel and copper strands, an= d will stand a far longer span that pure copper or even the special alloys= used for rigging professionally. I would say as a top wire it would be fi= ne but use some copper for the vertical section of an L or T where there= is significantly more current flowing than in the top-load. Loss in the= top load doesnt matter too much as this is not really radiating anything= usefully on LF, but is a vital capacitance to ground. Another way of thin= king of it is that by the time the current reaches the top it has already= traversed the Radiation-resistance. (only true for very short aerials!) Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: GPO/BT Wire No '10' any use for long wire Ae ? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 22:47 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > GPO/BT Wire No > '10' any use for long=20 > wire Ae ? > =20 > Looks like the wire > is used from pole=20 > to house , has supporting wire and thinner conductors > in a pvc sheath=20 >=20 > =20 > anyone any idea > about its suitability for=20 > a long wire Ae ? > =20 > tnx - G .. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5c14b55c8fce3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:00:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG048-5c14b55c8fce3; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:00:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXFXx-0001kU-4W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXFXw-0001kL-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:08 +0000 Received: from mx74.mail.ru ([94.100.176.89]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXFXt-0002gI-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:59:07 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=19660 helo=EFREMOV) by mx74.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NXFXn-000ARP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:58:59 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002c01ca9917$ecbd0ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <57a24ca71001190519pc663accy48db7adf6b1b7c94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:57:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 19-01.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA9930.D96F2420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA9930.D96F2420 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Warren, Henny, LF, ..And my modest results... 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a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=EzDJ2dT560G0u8GKkLcA:9 a=mG-MdoWuzAy6tc1G8mMA:7 a=8PHFf5G4JcB7m7YUDM53aZmu2TgA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=GJhCsiFwJrh6W7XF:21 a=KQpVIqDFqN8_AQJ6:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8abNOscc_tovgz8oKogA:9 a=RE0Z3X1C4QJoAI62H-MA:7 a=beryAeJMTaiiQIXooz5EgjiBFEQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b4a29215819 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Roger I have managed 1020km D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired. TF3 would be great though. 73s Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Roger

 

I have managed= 1020km  D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired.   TF3 would be great though. =

 

73s<= /span>

 

Jim<= /span>

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010= 19:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Certainly GM4SL= V has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he es= timated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signal= s than many others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>=

 Dear LF,

Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then= is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Ex= pected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration?<= /o:p>

Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio be= tween two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate= at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other= known signals.

If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining &nb= sp;8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capabi= lity as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor= for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010

With best regards=

 

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:24.0pt; font-family:"Freestyle Script";color:n= avy;font-weight:bold'>Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS<= /span>

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 




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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA922A.2B2335D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD091-b744b5431808b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:01:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD046-b744b5431808b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:01:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoPM-0008Fx-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWoPL-0008Fo-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com ([209.85.218.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWoPJ-0004KA-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:27 +0000 Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so3940bwz.29 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:00:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0ZjMRrb52mEwGnmpFf3bXX2QPApWPOKfZokV+2hLnSI=; b=G6gOlJDYdZ/o7lqr6XomMeQJvTjyoJrPES0KRHz2Aar4HfgHPPAvs/1TH/k4c8NUQf 7licerAX6LVZNqCf3sKGdVKHPYnI4yQvSrxjjOQt7R1jut2IsRnebzfUy+LSL3aKGb7z b3yoN9LM6SUU9zYGqHbvwbGnXyRKtbbv/KQzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gmcLFE59ZTGcexnZrM5WBD0kPElHxwEWDH4JRcGCuYUFcQgFOFfkVC5j9Nkrr2nY0V KD7yBT0Y6JeRtyYlrOT4Qu7rUy2nQhS5KzovDpFdLbw0VHhdRqBkLfhaoxrvMEtJ0trY WF9tcGZGVb7X5CBzYqywZ/2bUBKnadaHGOfu8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.18 with SMTP id n18mr3304589bkn.152.1263808809869; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:00:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001180200x490e5c8bndf236714433580b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *WE2XGR/6* was a consistent signal here all night long until 0758am local time. At best it reached -14dB with me using just the FT817 and the 5m vertical. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/18 > Some decodes > 0452 -22 -0.3 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0454 -19 -0.3 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0456 -22 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0458 -22 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0500 -22 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0504 -24 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0506 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > 0508 -24 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0512 -31 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 > 0514 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 > > 73 > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net > Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > Rik > > Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > > > > Jay, > > > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > > Reports via wsprnet.org > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > > > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz > >> USB. Some stations will begin > >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. > >> Stations may be adjusting their > >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted > >> power column. Any and all reports, > >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. > >> > >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will > >> continue on in WSPR mode > >> instead. > >> > >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WE2XGR/6 was a consistent signal here all night long until 0758am= local time. At best it reached -14dB with me using just the FT817 and the= 5m vertical.

73s
Roger G3XBM

= 2010/1/18 <vic= tor13@online.nl>
Some decodes 0452 -22 -0.3 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0454 -19 -0.3 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0456 -22 -0.6 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0458 -22 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0500 -22 -0.4 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0504 -24 -0.6 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0506 -25 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50
0508 -24 -0.4 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0512 -31 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 WE2XGR/6 50
0514 -25 -0.5 =A0 0.511500 =A00 <WE2XGR/6> FN12 50

73

Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net
Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation


Rik

Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look.

Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation


> Jay,
>
> I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight.<= br> > Reports via wsprnet.= org
>
> 73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quoting "jrusgrove@comc= ast.net" <jrusgrove@c= omcast.net>:
>
>> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0= kHz
>> USB. Some stations will begin
>> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow mornin= g.
>> Stations may be adjusting their
>> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports,
>> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated.
>>
>> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and= will
>> =A0continue on in WSPR mode
>> instead.
>>
>> Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





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--00032555b78e2d235d047d6d6b5b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD083-b9a4b561f40390; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:08:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD094-b9a4b561f40390; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:08:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLIP-0003fh-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLIP-0003fV-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLIM-0000FW-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:29 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2768305pwj.4 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CpsdShs6SxbEn+NEEQJ+MufFK1QvhhwDMLDpCfjSvbQ=; b=dXl2wJgD9lkIkoDJtnG8vM+T33AjEX47DewO3NOpxKsyesZF7cQArj+VMXeQgL+Qfm Oz+LwGO+AEmY/nube/bNuIjT0rZiIxZQi2QapTnandUX84Ogy0hdqXpy+09RkWl3qiRm LEtM7iMIVxFr4NtQ24POROd+vSHQn5JHU2Sao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=PE0SG6Fk1fYYnjUYRZ4I3p767eNovWC+E3cxGSpeyUNvqkCW2Nz/+P6xJlQajVEm0P 6U2gCJs46t+Lb3Z1EOgAsTtp/f6k/VsKlBGRmEBbnGxAg0SFX0ZEsPKKTx9XTimFT8gF RxICSvF+De0pKFATthparWOtBrW9Y5HIo56Kc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.101.13 with SMTP id d13mr5774939rvm.120.1263935240170; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:07:20 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9caed2283aa5c737 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191307p3811bafetc6390d8d1b287f3e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Lee, Thanks for the decode, not all the text is being sent although the examples in the guides show up to 22. I am now using a different Tx box but I have just realised that the user guide is for JT65A mode which is faster meaning there is probably a limit of 13 characters in JT4A mode being a slower mode.. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/19 Lee Hudson > Hi Gary, > > 202800 24 -2 1.9 223 32 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203000 25 -1 1.9 223 33 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203200 22 -2 1.8 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203400 24 -2 2.0 223 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 203600 23 -2 1.9 223 30 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 204000 22 -2 1.8 223 29 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Gary - G4WGT > *Sent:* 19 January 2010 19:30 > *To:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Subject:* LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A > > Hi All, > > For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. > > The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. > > Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. > > If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & > I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. > > Sorry, no prizes :-(( > > > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/19/10 > 07:34:00 > > --000e0cd13958026bbc047d8adbd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lee,

Thanks for the decode, not all the text is bein= g sent although the examples in the guides show up to 22. I am now using= a different Tx box but I have just realised that the user guide is for JT= 65A mode which is faster meaning there is probably a limit of 13 character= s in JT4A mode being a slower mode..

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
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2010/1/19 Lee Hudson &= lt;hudsonville@btinternet.co= m>
Hi=20 Gary,
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202800 24=A0=A0 -2= =A0=20 1.9=A0 223 32 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203000 25=A0=A0 -1=A0 1.9=A0 223 33=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203200 22=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.8=A0 223 30=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203400 24=A0=A0 -2=A0 2.0=A0 223 31=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
203600 23=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.9=A0 223 30=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
204000 22=A0=A0 -2=A0 1.8=A0 223 29=20 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TEST G4WGT=20 IO=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 1=A0=A0 0
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
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From:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 19 January 2010=20 19:30
To: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT=20 JT4A

Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the resu= lts on=20 LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 -=20 Release Date: 01/19/10 07:34:00


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Thread-Index: AcqccKz+qESdkrljTJ2z7jeh/H5YkAAAbSt5 References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.696;23.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.23.211516 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9C73.34C205E8" Subject: AW: LF: JT4A simple guide? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41134b5b6aa95343 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9C73.34C205E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,=20 Can you explain your RX equipment, pse. Perhaps you can even see/hear what= others just can decode? Is your TX antenna your RX antenna as well? What= about your local noise level? Would be interesting for me, since you gave= me 569 in our QSO... =20 =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Sa 23.01.2010 22:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS becau= se the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There has never= been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The signal trace is= always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the transmitted messag= e. =20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, =20 There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and, I= expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when CW sim= ply would not. =20 =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 =20 73s Roger G3XBM =20 =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote: =20 Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not onljy= visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just send qrs or= cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: =20 I still see these data signals as a waste of time since ha= d the carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulation. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decod= e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. =20 =20 =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn = =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A= but I'm not getting any decodes yet. =20 Roger G3XBM =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: =20 After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, wh= ich is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And more= importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enough sai= d... =20 To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code ch= anging, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. =20 Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, alb= eit with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so this= bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the two modes.= The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its the added= error correction , sync and modulation that matters - and they use the sa= me algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com =20 =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: =20 Thanks for this help Andy.=20 =20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz= WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really we= ak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explo= re the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially= would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. =20 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: =20 AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensiv= e use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docu= mented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4= x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you downl= oad and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all= you need to know to get it going is in there. =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT =20 Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in= a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red lig= ht. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used= respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of= a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away= from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as= well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar si= gnalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoi= d being too wide and seems less user friendly. =20 A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest= spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was= persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded= with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was,= even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out= to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall,= so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy). =20 There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrb= g.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central= Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow befo= re long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer pr= ovided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming th= e PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5= MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com =20 =20 This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances= hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and pola= r regions =20 =20 =20 On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: =20 Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?= ) reference to JT4A in the help files. 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1NUefw-00006h-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUefu-0005Fb-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncFAM/nS0tOlCMj/2dsb2JhbACIJ811hDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,261,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="284944371" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.35.35]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 11:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <005001ca9378$224b4fc0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:12:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I use a single ended E pa and it is vy robust. I use a good LPF and the 2nd harmonic is not a problem. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Johan, What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull class E stage when a single stange can do it? I am interested! :-) Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 07:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the > latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel > - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power /per-se/. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a504b4f096f35e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:09:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA018-a504b4f096f35e; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:09:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOUp-0007hG-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOUp-0007h7-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVOUm-00008s-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:15 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so16460424bwz.4 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:08:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W1pMwu3YeFdSh/JwrsQ8B2sPPSL7dYIHQUIhEWY00uQ=; b=v5ovyfnwvPxx/UXXAfIo4BMmcrO9R0TF9+G0C9siRmDZkATiolZdmBE1+AzgS4mbKu vVLUvY865FkK62xWbpeOzmmlLaN6iHOz9nbumpZmwIz4lcKOJsgOiJrqbdp2sQ1EFSdX IdzNqnB3dqdZzRxhapF4YoJxV2Usj5bbrkSis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PUH+WoWvgaOCzCYKxrrZokX0OmfA0ZYq6t3OAuUJoH35dCQ/qt5EhTBHzON1hwFZHl 8xH5+QefR08QkcyoRt8cCtr/pKt4ur+LONzbJfqcdMCnl0dNDHagyycF/AHP2VCFpQrM hC9vhBdizuMPgB/BX9ioaymfNiKT29Vmo0mRA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.213 with SMTP id p21mr370343bkw.163.1263470882264; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:08:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:08:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing. At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger temperature range. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > Hi guys, > > Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 > MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am > aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. > > Thanks all the comments. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/13 James Moritz > > Dear LF Group, >> >> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >> >> >> >> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>> 503848 to 503885 >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts abou= t 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to= adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscil= lator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I start= TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary -= G4WGT <g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk>
Hi guys,

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes= as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert,= I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an ho= ur or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary= - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

Dear LF Group,<= br>
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be= a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift



over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503= 848 to 503885

73, Rik






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--0015175cd86e1f299e047d1ebd19-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9984b41c10b1ab; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:21:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b41c10b1ab; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:21:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRk24-000776-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRk24-00076x-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRk21-00010c-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:19:28 +0000 Received: from RADIORUM2 (0x3ef3a193.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk [62.243.161.147]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B9A7A50016 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:18:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003901ca8d27$547f99d0$93a1f33e@RADIORUM2> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?niels_rudberg_j=F8rgensen?= To: References: <820322.89933.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8B155F0217064CB693A2937746504A32@LAPTOP> <006d01ca8ca1$3f4cedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1262546480.4b40ee30445ab@imp.netikka.net> <1262547036.4b40f05cbc380@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:18:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hej Paul-Henrik! S=E5 din 600 m log. Min locator er JO65GX. Jeg h=E5ber engang at f=E5 en to-vejs qso med dig p=E5 600 m! 73 og HNY Niels/OZ8NJ+ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Paul-Henrik" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Correction: LF: PA0A 599, LA3EQ 319 in OH on 502.5kHz Correction: The correct time is 1912UTC. At first I deducted 2 hours from the clock already showing UTC... My log of received ham/experimental stations + X-band QSO's around 600= m=20 since September 2007 can be found here: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/500_log.txt > LF > > Received in Vaasa, KP03SD at 20100103 1712UTC: > > PA0A 599 calling LA3EQ on 502.5kHz. LA3EQ replies with 319 signal,= PA0A=20 > seems > to > have difficulties copying him. > > RX: IC-R75 / 300Hz Collins > ANT: Resonated inverted-L 15m vert. + 35m horiz. > > > Go for it LA and PA! Late Happy New Year wishes to all reflector mem= bers! > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b60a43417b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:38:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E837038000251; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEdg-0004Ui-C8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEdf-0004UY-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEdd-0006IS-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E357B804E for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57CA31E702 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:37:11 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:33:09 +0100 Thread-Topic: WSPR Reports Thread-Index: Acqfj43t5lbDr6CEQjmLPz1IuTVaEQAAGJ+R Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b60a4327173 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a sig= nificant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to= get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a ju= st a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub = +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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maybe the "mag= ic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase= in SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@= googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B329ICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b53f0bd54; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:25:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 58C2838000096; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWk5h-0005y1-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWk5h-0005xs-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl ([194.134.41.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWk5f-0003lZ-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:23:53 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4FA8E03B for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:51 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007a01ca97b2$e379bea0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b53f0bb0dfa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Some decodes 0452 -22 -0.3 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0454 -19 -0.3 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0456 -22 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0458 -22 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0500 -22 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0504 -24 -0.6 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0506 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 0508 -24 -0.4 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0512 -31 -0.5 0.511500 0 WE2XGR/6 50 0514 -25 -0.5 0.511500 0 FN12 50 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens jrusgrove@comcast.net Verzonden: zondag 17 januari 2010 21:23 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Rik Currently three XGR stations on. Thanks for the look. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation > Jay, > > I will switch to 510 around 22 UTC and let the RX running overnight. > Reports via wsprnet.org > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > >> Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz >> USB. Some stations will begin >> this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. >> Stations may be adjusting their >> power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted >> power column. Any and all reports, >> groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. >> >> We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will >> continue on in WSPR mode >> instead. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI071-eace4b3d5145319; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:35:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFC2038000083; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQWOS-0007ED-43 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQWOR-0007E2-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:31 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQWOP-0001bR-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:33:31 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o011XKk1026285 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:33:20 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cc1.6a9ae820 (14457) for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:28:00 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: HNY PAT 499 kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cc1.6a9ae820.386ea9a0_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b3d513b0d2c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --part1_cc1.6a9ae820.386ea9a0_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1262309279" -------------------------------1262309279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new year PAT... 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Happy new year PAT...
 
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RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL=20 1010

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This is the amazing night on 600m band: 2252 -27 -0.3 0.503890 0 <...> FN42PB 40 It might be a signal from WD2XSH/17. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_ac5b1b87-0aa6-4321-97e7-af6217a09b96_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello OMs!
This is the amazing night on 600m band:

2252 -27 -0.3=    0.503890  0 <...> FN42PB 40

It might be a= signal from WD2XSH/17.

Lubos, OK2BVG

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boundary="part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b5d7d481370 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Thanx Henny. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 11:22:13 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl= a =20 =E9crit : Hi All, capture DTL/2 Henny pa3cpm best 73s =20 =20 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Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 11:22:13 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plane= t.nl a=20 =E9crit :
Hi All,
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 --part1_71c5.6c39c9f1.388ed6f0_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.92]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b578a3c395; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:57:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C1AC380000BF; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjT4-00023q-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjT4-00023h-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjT2-0000WZ-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:06 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0OAGEYV0tUDZUV/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYcxjG69EoQ2BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,313,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280808168" Received: from host-84-13-149-21.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.149.21]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 22:55:42 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:55:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01ca9a23$b1890400$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: G3ZJO_OK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405c4b578a3a5edf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos =20 Well that is amazing, well done. You must have a very good quiet set= up. I was in hope as last night one of my reports from EU was 8dB up on al= l previous, that is all it takes. =20 Roger promised me a beer too if I made 1000Km :-) =20 73 =20 Eddie =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 20 January 2010 22:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK =20 Hello Eddie, LF! 2214 4 1.9 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2216 -29 2.0 0.503819 0 G3ZJO IO92 17 2230 8 2.1 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 =20 _____ =20 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten pr= av=FD? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Lubos

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Well that is amazing,= well done. You must have a very good quiet set up. I was in hope as last night one of my= reports from EU was 8dB up on all previous, that is all it takes.

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Roger promised me a= beer too if I made 1000Km J

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73

 

Eddie

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Lubos OK2BVG
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: G3ZJO_OK

 

Hello Eddie, LF!

2214   4  1.9   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37=

2216 -29  2.0   0.503819&n= bsp; 0 G3ZJO IO92 17

2230   8  2.1   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37=

My next UK station in WSPR! Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g3zjo@npton.plus.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.

 

Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp= 200uW ERP is on..

 

73

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= /span>

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Congratulation= s,  "water pistol"

1200km - a ver= y comfortable margin too.

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2010/1/20 Lubo= s OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910 = 1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kte= r=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

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No virus= found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Windo= ws 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA9A23.B1890400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b5ca303270; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97EEC38000074; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8MO-0000JT-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8MO-0000JK-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8ML-0001oU-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from COL122-W38 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:42:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:42:50 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 19:42:50.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[69DC60E0:01CA9D2D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_ba19da4c-a92d-41d3-8280-532a2601f3c4_" Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b5ca3010ec1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_ba19da4c-a92d-41d3-8280-532a2601f3c4_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_" --_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz =20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from=20 Multipsk on 503.000 =20 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 =20 Very slow data rate ..... might =20 take a while to show 1 line ! =20 Reports ? =20 Tnx - Graham G0NBD =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_49929593-4cfe-46ed-bc8b-074903ae95cf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
= Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /font>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



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x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b4109f54a4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, my apologies for the poor typing. I am aware that my English is far from perfect. But noy all of us are in the luxury situation that the "default language" is their mother tongue. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Rik, > > ''''so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.'''' > > Everyone can write software .. but not everyone can press the keys in the > right order ! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b476610359; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:06:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88E7D380001A4; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIHK-0005rE-CI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTIHJ-0005r5-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:37 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTIHF-0001Hg-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:05:37 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so12676415bwz.4 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e4N6/QtH8NW49FvikPjUen6/4qHB/FgXPHkB5btBlpc=; b=AosjvcfDci1t9u7xURVFXSzaHwseOeDfM3v7EmUJTsa914uzQ82l1tN90LZxD4v4w0 kjn8+3jM2UCb2juGI7p57f8Lhz9H8iIKMwwcygzSHHMDmeshjzh5aK4v/SDRKNg67JDw RBHfvbY69Xt+EsOUwcd9rjxE7DtXa9PtGMy/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IjXNDQwNfTHI59Fsi9w9yl1xL/xJy1bht4IBTd4S3kXf/24eWV6R7GwuZlq+ms6zXW /Uqi4IMQsNSy2algrNSRzPZ8kFE/OVLZyp0AgtOTTAMxSJ1dIaSqX7E47MCknT19al1J E4JLd6JHgLMHXvgtFDVxNSe3q5w8d6zgN6T8U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.145 with SMTP id k17mr1153021bka.70.1262970327028; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:05:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001080905v74d516e5k21f89eb3192576f1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b47660e6b4a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you for the very interesting statistics Rik. My 500kHz WSPR beaconing has not been 24/7, so some of the times when you did not hear me may have been when the TX was off-air, usually during the daytime. When in the shack and not on another band I often put the 500kHz WSPR transverter on. Typically I am TXing at around 20-30% from around teatime until just after breakfast time, although I have not been on every night through the night until the last couple of days. 73s and thanks again. Roger G3XBM 2010/1/8 Rik Strobbe > Hello Roger, > > I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring > period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced > some interesting facts: > > - over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming > you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is > 437 out of 1360 or 32% > - in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I > had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%) > - in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I > had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%) > - on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV > in CW till 20UTC > - on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC > - on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic > hits between 11UTC and 12UTC > - on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV > in CW till 22UTC > - on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a > distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC > - best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% > copy, based on 10 transmission/hour) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote: > > Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz > WSPR station so far.... > > Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a > TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at > http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now > managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries > with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR > signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris > G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been > received. > > I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms > short still. > > Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a *massive* incentive for me to > keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is *so*useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate > feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to > get a few CW QSOs it has been *much* harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would > expect. > > Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a > few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no > chance of taking it down to make changes! > > Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you > have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/8 M0FMT > Hi LF > > For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably > equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can > be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual > database way. > > URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 73 es HNY petefmt > > --- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo wrote: > > From: g3zjo > Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > > WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various > stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over > Europe. > > Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the very interesting statistics Rik.

My 500kHz WSPR= beaconing has not been 24/7, so some of the times when you did not hear= me may have been when the TX was off-air, usually during the daytime. Whe= n in the shack and not on another band I often put the 500kHz WSPR transve= rter on. Typically I am TXing at around 20-30% from around teatime until= just after breakfast time, although I have not been on every night throug= h the night until the last couple of days.

73s and thanks again.
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/8 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Hello Roger,

I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts:

- over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32%
- in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (=3D 322 out of 740 or 44%)
- in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (=3D 115 out of 500 or 23%)
- on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC
- on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC
- on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC
- on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC
- on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC
- best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour)

73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T


At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote:
Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in= 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for= a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.= uk>
Hi LF
=A0
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports= by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual database way.
=A0
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.= plus.com> wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.= plus.com>
Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM=A0=A0=A0 GQRP 1678=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ISWL G11088



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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000325559a6ab45442047caa31bb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5bf4b58b982254; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:31:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG046-5bf4b58b982254; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:31:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3ed-0006y7-K8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY3ed-0006xy-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY3eb-00005V-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 99200 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 20:29:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=QEK+KFmbi5SxL7MnBZaMUYeX6nbFtByr9U2+t/XY0oyQmZoIRTZ6zrJ5OotZaao2a0g8q10QyseBbYErg2wR+HZcAlCdIxGQzGANqby8rxh8kSrYkJfCxCV2wAcqPnYkfwPKRoKbmdSodmbQt1PH4+zKG/ZO/ZktfwJcxc4/AHc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 20:29:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: Edjd_KgVM1lQ.FUthxzYDf7KyUy.mtX3rabeOGaze9aWosD15Z2j2N8qugKxCxAtH15fac36YZh5DjUDvGjaiQUwI14Fo5GMWHIjEfoPqXLULTIXwwBMj2DleuhMJhiM0hiJgggLVhEYjbsYEv9Cgl.i1HSUzQ_Rae4zgT6xmjLS6wapGGgBaJ8IgnkfNiIs_8uysdG0vyYCFuBQ4rr3o.KHQUYC1CmIC61whtgIEFMK6mwPzah3YDr.p9.RYpxI4HrC9mF39G3lfNY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <470D43E18300477E9397AA79CA57BAB9@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:29:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Roger, LF Group, I tried sending this earlier, but it does not appear to have got through... --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wrote: This is most interesting. I notice that M0BMU was running with 50mW ERP last night, so it might be worth plugging in his reports as well for last night. ... Mea Culpa... I seem to have left the WSPR power indicated as 50mW from some 136kHz tests - in fact the 500kHz ERP from M0BMU was close to the normal 2W level last night. Estimating transmitter ERP from received WSPR signal reports is prone to large inaccuracies, for at least 2 reasons: -You have to estimate the ground wave propagation loss, which depends on various "unknown factors" such as ground conductivity, terrain and so on, and for distances greater than a few 10s of km the uncertainty could easily be several dB or more. -To get received signal field strength from WSPR SNR, you have to assume a value for the noise field strength. Noise being noise, this is likely to have unpredictable variations of several dB too. So the ERP estimated from the received signal is better than nothing, but at best is going to be an order-of-magnitude estimate rather than a precise figure with well-defined error limits. Ground features usually lead to higher ground wave losses, and noise levels tend to increase rather than decrease, so these ERP estimates are likely to be on the low side. A much better estimate of ERP can be got by measuring antenna current and calculating radiation resistance from the antenna geometry - then the main source of error is the "site loss" due to environmental effects on the transmitting antenna. But this seems to be usually in the range 0 - say, 6dB for most locations, so as Andy says, if you assume -3dB you will probably be quite close. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5ee54b4b42ca2b6; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:24:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A313380002E3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM7M-0003qb-R2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUM7M-0003qQ-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUM7K-00023h-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:44 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAKrQSktZ8L81/2dsb2JhbACNVQbKBIQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="305240601" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.191.53]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 15:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: <005401ca92d1$ffc7e130$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4b42c76864 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QSL Jay, although in recent times signals seemed to peak around 2130= - 2215 then suffer fade. 73 and tnx de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today= ) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qual= ity. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rath= er good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5,= EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
QSL Jay, although in recent times sig= nals seemed to=20 peak around 2130 - 2215 then suffer fade.
73 and tnx de mal/g3kev
 
=
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you about= 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / whe= n I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite start= ing about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QR= G. I hear=20 u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts=
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signa= l last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I= had first time=20 reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' cau= ses=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for you= r cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Cu= rious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alr= eady=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if= , using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal= CW. Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my= knowledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and= a normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the foll= owing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,= =20 /10.
 = ;
Best DX: 201= 0-01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&nb= sp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA92D1.FF95D4B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b49b58e346; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB7E838000090; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTved-0002me-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTved-0002mV-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTvea-0006SP-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:08:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEOAOBDSUtOllMf/2dsb2JhbACCFYYqAcgyhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,250,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="428043034" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.83.31]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2010 11:07:50 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca91e5$25c8b7d0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001091554t7ab1ec31wf0d6baadaa174914@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz WSPR overnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b49b58c4a4b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well my QRPp set up chalked up another station last night G0DEZ, only 46Km and -16dB but a very welcome report. 2010-01-10 06:34 G3ZJO 0.503856 -16 0 IO92ng +17 0.050 G0DEZ IO92ub 46 29 That is now 7 stations on my ERP in the micro Watt region, the most distant still being G0KTN at 145Km. 73 All Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 09 January 2010 23:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR overnight My 1mW ERP WSPR beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports from >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" stations taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10Hz through the night. 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/09/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well my QRPp se= t up chalked up another station last night G0DEZ, only 46Km and -16dB but a very welcome repor= t.

 

2010-01-10 06:34  G3ZJO  0.503856  -16  0=   IO92ng  +17  0.050  G0DEZ&nb= sp; IO92ub  46  29 

 

That is now 7= stations on my ERP in the micro Watt region, the most distant still being G0KTN at 145Km.

 

73 All

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of R= oger Lapthorn
Sent: 09 January 2010= 23:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: 500kHz WSP= R overnight

 

My 1mW ERP WSPR= beacon will be active at 35% TX overnight. Looking especially for reports fro= m >1000kms from JO02dg, so would welcome "good ears" statio= ns taking a careful look around the middle of the WSPR band around 503.900+/-10H= z through the night.

73s
Roger G3XBM

http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/u= ser/G3XBM

G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/= 09/10 07:35:00

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA91E5.25C8B7D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b5f8c21a7; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:43:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C775738000087; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvyx-0001dg-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZvyw-0001dX-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:06 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZvyt-0005DQ-L5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:06 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0R0ftMb017699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:11:55 -0330 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:11:55 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: VX9MRC QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b5f8c1f1850 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Group, The TX is now in operation on 507.77 kHz CW 8 WPM beacon. 1.6 amps aerial current to a 100m wire. Reports most welcomed. 73 and GL Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324b48a7b5c8; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4C0338000111; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdhB-0007sf-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdhB-0007sW-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdh9-0004GQ-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:57:45 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822940134 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from cor306597a14dc (dc5146dcf7.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.70.220.247]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: "Cor PA0AM" To: References: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:57:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100109-0, 09-01-2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b48a7b3331f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageRead the manual for WSPR! 73 Cor PA0AM From: Lee Hudson=20 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 4:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WSPR LA3? Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. LA3/O28WJJ <...> JO28WJ 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Read the manual for WSPR!
 
73 Cor PA0AM

Rece= iving the=20 following non-loggable spot around 503.915
Look= s like the Call=20 field is incorrect.
 
LA= 3/O28WJJ
<= ...>=20 JO28WJ
 
73= ,
Lee= =20 M0LMH.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA914C.DBACD700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b6b4b5855f0144; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD035-b6b4b5855f0144; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:26:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXx1a-00055X-Fy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXx1a-00055O-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f190.google.com ([209.85.222.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXx1Y-0005g0-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:38 +0000 Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so426104pzk.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:24:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cNbqp+4z7a4iXqQV5WfhLRRC9GFp5p053sDk6CTQWPI=; b=u1a3rxqTGXD2z9hF3JAef8Tmbtfc+G1bPa5lt1CU+mphO05Wd2ZpF0ZI/Q+PF9GCI/ 12ZmaG28a6TzsiEcLTp6l+Mabm5dNwaN1XWAPViLkgX1jsq8aLX8NyRZvgndSuQt+2Mg nMpT6CuuXquUEpJPZ9wECa59usVt3AW5D7/Ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=enAPsfd6M7jD9hxE8OPV2m0a7d+TZ4tXOoD7lkIIbAu6B299EAP4nk8fPTqhSjYiED 2nOAS7G6JYpd1NMJw6BKnKnne08dn1sp9qEdn2GmNatz0TBDim4yO9HV+byciuhM0XcB ZbXYlPz9X+u7g6KnD3nErQNidJXiTMPvSf/6k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.114.5 with SMTP id r5mr1003943wam.145.1264080268456; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:24:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca71001210524p765b0f84t755bfe2f38623523@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 21-01.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d224.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny, WD2XGJ still at QRP level. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/21 henny van elst : > Hi Warren LF, > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 21-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA922E.5DB67530-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b62a9353df; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:24:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1828838000108; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nan3n-0005yB-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nan3m-0005y2-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nan3k-0006wJ-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402DE51C009 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3507031E702 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:11 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:22:18 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100129092211.3507031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6390690==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b62a93326ed X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_6390690==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Stefan, ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss. The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance. The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you. Just as an example the path loss this programme gives for 137kHz and an average ground: 250km = 55.1dB 500km = 65.3dB 750km = 74.7dB 1000km = 83.5dB 2000km = 115.4dB 3000km = 144.5dB 4000km = 172.2dB 5000km = 199.0dB As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi Alan and LF, > >I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that >follows :-) > >The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E >is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? >So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance >of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding >noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. > >I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this >2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. > >So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above >example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a >very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground >conductivity on the whole distance but anyway. > >And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the >daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with >the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an >other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!? > >If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why >is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is >clear but on LF? > >Tnx for enlightning answers... > >Stefan/DK7FC > > >---------- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA >Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly > >Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! > >Alan G3NYK --=====================_6390690==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Stefan,

ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing.
The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat.
In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss.
The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance.
The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.
It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you.
Just as an example the path loss this programme  gives for 137kHz and an average ground:
250km = 55.1dB
500km = 65.3dB
750km = 74.7dB
1000km = 83.5dB
2000km = 115.4dB
3000km = 144.5dB
4000km = 172.2dB
5000km = 199.0dB
As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story).
I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi Alan and LF,
 
I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follows :-)
 
The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right?
So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?.
 
I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before.
 
So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but anyway.
 
And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!?
 
If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on LF?
 
Tnx for enlightning answers...
 
Stefan/DK7FC
 
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA
Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly

Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again !

Alan G3NYK
--=====================_6390690==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-8be94b60c36d6b; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:51:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F683380001D6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGiT-0007Vi-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaGiS-0007VZ-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0000 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaGiQ-00085U-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0000 Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id amM91d00G0xGWP853mpfWc; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:49:39 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id amqK1d00G2DDHkk3YmqKGg; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002401ca9fa3$19859170$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:50:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA9F79.308963D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b60c36a2371 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, Rik Been running a doubler for WSPR at WE2XGR/2 for the past couple weeks. Linear exciter > doubler > push pull Class D amplifier. So far I've tested it on WSPR, MFSK, Domino EX, Thor, Olivia and RTTY with good results. Requires roughly 0 to +10 dBm at input...sin or square wave. The circuit could no doubt be simplified and/or improved. It was literally thrown together with previously used components already sitting out on the bench...to prove the concept. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive signals quite recently. How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, the SNR values over the last hour or so varied between -2 and -13dB. Assuming a -24dB limit and your current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy and 0.5W occasional copy. Impressive. I should get QRV on JT4A, but I blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, and my 250W G3YXM-clone PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use that with my HF/500kHz transverter. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, & Andy, Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from further afield. If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF. Let me know. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe Gary, solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01CA9F79.308963D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy, Rik
 
Been running a doubler for WSPR at WE= 2XGR/2 for the=20 past couple weeks. Linear exciter > doubler > push pull Class D= amplifier.=20 So far I've tested it on WSPR, MFSK, Domino EX, Thor, Olivia and RTTY= with good=20 results. Requires roughly 0 to +10 dBm at input...sin or square= wave.=20
 
The circuit could no doubt be simplif= ied and/or=20 improved. It was literally thrown together with previously used compon= ents=20 already sitting out on the bench...to prove the concept.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Talbot
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 4:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz= JT4A

I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamenta= l drive=20 signals quite recently.  
 
How about a frequency doubler?    The output doe= sn't have=20 to have 1:1 mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. &nb= sp;=20 And simple doubler can consists of a delay line (CR network wit= h around=20 0.5us time constant) followed by a squarer to give a resulting wavef= orm=20 shifted in phase from the 500kHz drive signal.  Then apply this= =20 one,  along with the original to a two input XOR gate= whose=20 output will then consists of a 1MHz train suitable for dividing by= 2 for a=20 perfect 1:1 squarewave drive.
 

Andy
ww= w.g4jnt.com

This email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police,= is=20 guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may con= tribute to=20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <<= A href=3D"mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be">Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
Gary,<= /FONT>
 
the SNR values over th= e last hour or=20 so varied between -2 and -13dB.
Assuming a -24dB limit= and your=20 current power (50W) anything above 5W would provide solid copy and= 0.5W=20 occasional copy.
Impressive.
I should get QRV= on JT4A, but I=20 blew the transformer of my "straight" 100W PA, and my 250W G3= YXM-clone=20 PA needs 1MHz drive (at TTL level), so I cannot use that with my= HF/500kHz=20 transverter.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] name= ns Gary - G4WGT=20 [g4wg= t@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag=20 27 januari 2010 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF:=20 RE: 500 kHz JT4A

Rik, & Andy,=20

Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answerin= g Rik's=20 query.

Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will= change the=20 text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from fur= ther=20 afield.

If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power= for a short=20 period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the= moment so=20 in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

Let me know.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy Talbot <= ;andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )  is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaran= teed to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to= =20 dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe &= lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Ga= ry,
 
solid copy here,= SNR -5 to=20 -7dB.
But the signal is= clearly audible,=20 CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to= what SNR values=20 JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
 
73, Rik  ON7Y= D -=20 OR7T
Van: o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary -=20 G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27=20 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwer= p: LF:=20 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency= 502.300=20 kHz USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83qo


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([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003801ca9608$f2266df0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:34:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b50a75c521e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Its right on top of the WSPR acty. A carrier modulated by 100 hz tone(= full wave rectified mains) spreading 900 Hz=20 Carrier up 1.5 Khz from 502 Khz dial freq (503.5 usb) g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
Its right on top of the WSPR acty. A= carrier=20 modulated by 100 hz tone(full wave rectified mains) spreading 900 Hz= =20
Carrier up 1.5 Khz from 502 Khz dial= freq (503.5=20 usb)
g3kev
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CA9608.F1E87A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.206]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-a9834b50bb5b363; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:00:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 98CA03800015F; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrOU-0004dc-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVrOT-0004dT-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVrOR-0005oy-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkNAMZFUEtOkaFE/2dsb2JhbACCFYYt0XuEMQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,283,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288578689" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.161.68]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:59:13 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:13 -0000 Message-ID: <005201ca9614$d4238390$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bf118411001150850l6bcdc752na7b131104d3d4841@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b50bb5935c5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave I can't remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots below, Space on the centre line. In a way the 9 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dots. Likewise the inter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in frequency for each Dash and descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to read. Which lead me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre line for a Dash and below the line for a Dot. As far as I know this has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it all:-) Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 15 January 2010 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA9614.D4238390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave<= /font>

 

I can’t= remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots= below, Space on the centre line.

 

In a way the 9= seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dot= s.

 

Likewise the in= ter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in frequency for each Dash and= descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to= read.  Which lead me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre= line for a Dash and below the line for a Dot.

As far as I kno= w this has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it allJ

 

Eddie

 

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Sent: 15 January 2010= 16:51
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz= -WSPR-QRSS3

 

Hello Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3zjo= <g3zjo@npton.plus.com&= gt;

LF Group

 

Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage,= maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits.

 



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Please reply direct to: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.10]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-86554b5b6562280; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:08:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C7A1380000C8; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnCt-0008KG-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnCs-0008K7-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnCp-00089M-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:46 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAHb0WktOlECv/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx0iEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="437549030" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.64.175]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 21:07:25 +0000 Message-ID: <00c501ca9c70$0d6dcb90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BIZ_TLD=1.169,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4b5b65602b24 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There cannot be a time when JT4 or WSPR will be received and not QRS= because the trace is always visible long before a data decode. There= has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data decode. The si= gnal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the= transmitted message. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal, There will be times when this may be true, but modes like WSPR and,= I expect, JT4A will get through when signals are extremely weak when= CW simply would not. =20 Here's an idea: why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks= and see how you get on?=20 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton wrote= : Obviously not reading recent postings about no decodes from others= although the signals are visible, like I said these signals are not= onljy visible with me but audible so why complicate matters, just sen= d qrs or cw in the first place. Some one even mentioned DUMMIES, there are a lot of these about.= Dummies alias Appliance operators The word is ill-informedtry=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Mal informed. On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton = wrote: I still see these data signals as a waste of time since had th= e carrier been keyed I could read them 100% without having to wait for= the right circumstance to get a decode, no need for level 2 demodulat= ion. There are several traces now visible but only an odd decode!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QSO if you need an immdediate report. Th= ese signals are audible with me. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Ok, fully understand Andy. Jim G7NKS is sending JT4A but I'= m not getting any decodes yet. Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talbot wrote: After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon code= is designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carrier, whi= ch is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit). And mor= e importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB linear one - enoug= h said... To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code changi= ng, so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real demand. For= a beacon, WSPR has more to offer anyway. Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, albeit= with a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz with a resulting 4.75dB= reduction in S/N. The coding and demodulation are all the same, so= this bandwidth difference should be directly detectable between the= two modes. The differing message contents wont affect the efficiency= , its the added error correction , sync and modulation that matters -= and they use the same algorithm. Andy www.g4jnt.com On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WS= PR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times= or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of reall= y weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like= to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would= value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never origin= ally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our exte= nsive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MH= z, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try ou= t' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supportin= g files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User= _600.pdf =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.T= XT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or wor= se than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being availabl= e in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to= red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G= being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably onl= y a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, on= ly a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off= CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correct= ion]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is= wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user= friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted= something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the wid= est spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting,= Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified= the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version= would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how= good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where eac= h tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315H= z for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discr= ete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G= waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.= scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://ww= w.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it= is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided ac= curate timing information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the= 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogrammin= g the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSP= R and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects= by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substanc= es hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (n= o?) reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to mo= des like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but= never tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for= Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There cannot be a time when JT4 or WS= PR will be=20 received and not QRS because the trace is always visible long before= a data=20 decode. There has never been a case of an INVISIBLE trace and a data= decode. The=20 signal trace is always VISIBLE and therefore if KEYED would convey the= =20 transmitted message.
 
G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Mal,

There will be times when this may be true= , but=20 modes like WSPR and, I expect, JT4A will get through when signals ar= e=20 extremely weak when CW simply would not. 

Here's= an idea:=20 why not turning your ERP down to 1mW for a few weeks and see how you= get on?=20

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 19:32, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Obviously not reading recent post= ings about no=20 decodes from others although the signals are visible, li= ke I said=20 these signals are not onljy visible with me but audible so why com= plicate=20 matters, just send qrs or cw in the first place.
Some one even mentioned DUMMIES,= there are a=20 lot of these about. Dummies alias Appliance operators
The word is ill-informedtry
<= /FONT>
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Mal informed.

On 23 January 2010 18:52, mal hamilton= <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I still see these data signal= s as a waste=20 of time since had the carrier been keyed I could read them 100= % without=20 having to wait for the right circumstance to get a decode, no= need for=20 level 2 demodulation.
There are several traces now= visible but=20 only an odd decode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try a QRS or CW QS= O  if=20 you need an immdediate report. These signals are audible with= =20 me.
 
 
 
g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: JT4A simple guide?

Ok, fully understand Andy.  Jim G7NKS is sending= JT4A but=20 I'm not getting any decodes yet.

Roger G3XBM

On 23 January 2010 16:38, Andy Talb= ot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
After posting that, I realised the JT4 PIC/DDS beacon= code is=20 designed for 100% duty cycle operation, viz JT4, CW + carr= ier, which=20 is a bit antisocial (certainly the wide bandwidth CW bit).=   And=20 more importantly, as my PA is a low efficiency clas AB lin= ear one -=20 enough said...
 
To adapt for low duty cycle would need the PIC code= changing,=20 so will put the idea on hold unles there is a real=20 demand.   For a beacon, WSPR has more to offer= =20 anyway.
 
Incidently, WSPR and JT4 are the same mode anyway, al= beit with=20 a bandwidth change from 1.46 to 4.375Hz  with a resul= ting=20 4.75dB reduction in S/N.  The coding and demodulation= are all=20 the same, so this bandwidth difference should be=20 directly detectable between the two modes. = The=20 differing message contents wont affect the efficiency, its= the added=20 error correction , sync and modulation that matters= - and they=20 use the same algorithm.
On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger= Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive other= s of your=20 valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4= A at=20 certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A look= s like=20 offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to= people like=20 me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode= some more=20 and having a reliable signal to test with initially woul= d be=20 useful. I am sure there will be others who would value= this=20 too.

73s
Roger G3XBM=20



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy= Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlema= il.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x= was never=20 originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes,= although=20 after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly&nb= sp;is=20 now.   JT65x was the more popular and docume= nted code,=20 being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432=20 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of thos= e included=20 in the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you down= load and=20 read the WSJT users guide and other supporting fi= les,=20 there's all you need to know to get it going is= in=20 there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better= or worse=20 than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of= being=20 available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings mak= ing it=20 usable from DC to red light.   (Although I= think I've=20 only ever come across A, D and G being used respective= ly on LF,=20 HF and uWaves)    There's probably only= a=20 fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can= ascertain,=20 only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit.  [W= hich=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as stra= ight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf= has a=20 similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wi= der, needs=20 a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less use= r=20 friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wan= ted=20 something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or=20 beyond.  JT4G, the widest spaced varient of= =20 them looked suitable.    After som= e=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,=   and=20 in fact he modified the code to  enhanc= e the=20 decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be de= coded with=20 the same S/N as JT4A.    We discovered= just how=20 good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter condi= tions=20 where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (ton= e spacing=20 in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain= scattered=20 signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit= JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorse= t =20 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and&n= bsp; now=20 GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html&n= bsp;=20 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy= mode to=20 generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate tim= ing=20 information is available to keep it synched. &nbs= p;
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives= the=20 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately= just by=20 reprogramming the PIC.   Would there be any= interest,=20 bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type= "=20 waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

Th= is email has been=20 scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety=20 police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to=20 health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether an= d polar=20 regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Rog= er Lapthorn=20 <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= > wrote:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)&nbs= p;=20 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is= similar to=20 modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in= the past on=20 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone poin= t me in=20 the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide,= or=20 something similar that I might understand,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA9C70.0D3E3010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.17]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b4712dc109; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8ACA38000089; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCjJ-0004ev-R5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTCjJ-0004em-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTCjG-0003ys-Kw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:10:09 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D2A7B804B for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F3AF3862 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:43 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:09:46 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000001ca8ff8$2cc21a20$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <719047.80520.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2641001080115l381ef326jcb4c0c1980d364af@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100108110943.B9F3AF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10975606==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60114b4712d81de9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10975606==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Roger, I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts: - over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32% - in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%) - in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%) - on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC - on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC - on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC - on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC - on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC - best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote: >Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP >500kHz WSPR station so far.... > >Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any >measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at >http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k >for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 >different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of >these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the >database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I >much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received. > >I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain >40kms short still. > >Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me >to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned >is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives >almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. >Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder >going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect. > >Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz >for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, >so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes! > >Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I >hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI. > >73s >Roger G3XBM > > > > >2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> >Hi LF > >For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by >suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost >real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other >parameters in the usual database way. > >URL is ..... >http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > >73 es HNY petefmt > >--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo ><g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wrote: > >From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> >Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18 > > >WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various >stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over >Europe. > >Eddie G3ZJO > > > > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_10975606==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Roger,

I have been almost 24/24 receiving wspr over the past days, a monitoring period of 126 hours between Jan 2nd 17UTC and Jan 8th 09UTC, what produced some interesting facts:

- over this a period of 126 hours I had 437 "hits" in your call, assuming you are transmitting at 33% cycle (ie 10 transmit periods per hour) this is 437 out of 1360 or 32%
- in the same period during darkness (between sunset+1h and sunrise-1h) I had 322 hits during 74 hours monitoring (= 322 out of 740 or 44%)
- in the same period during daylight (between sunrise-1h and sunset+1h) I had 115 hits during 50 hours monitoring (= 115 out of 500 or 23%)
- on Jan 3rd you faded out at 08UTC, I missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 20UTC
- on Jan 4th you faded out at 08UTC and faded in at 16UTC
- on Jan 5th you faded out at 10 UTC and faded in at 18UTC, some sporadic hits between 11UTC and 12UTC
- on Jan 6th you faded out at 10 UTC, missed the fade in because I was QRV in CW till 22UTC
- on Jan 7th you faded out at 09:30 UTC and faded in at 17:30UTC, a distinctive daytime peak between 12UTC and 14UTC
- best propagation seems to be between 07UTC and 08 UTC (average of 63% copy, based on 10 transmission/hour)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:15 8/01/2010, you wrote:
Let me update group members on the results to date with my 1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR station so far....

Since starting on 500kHz a few months ago with what is, by any measure, a TINY station in all respects (see my 500kHz page at http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/500k for more details) I've now managed to be received by a total of 63 different stations in 9 countries with the best DX being 960kms. Of these, 61 reports have been for my WSPR signal (all but two via the database) and two for CW contacts with Chris G3XIZ and Mal G3KEV. I much appreciate the SWL reports that have been received.

I'm still trying to beat a personal target of 1000kms but remain 40kms short still.

Whatever your views on WSPR it has been a massive incentive for me to keep experimenting on 500kHz. The on-line database Pete mentioned is so useful to me and other very low power stations as it gives almost immediate feedback on station improvements and propagation. Although I have tried to get a few CW QSOs it has been much harder going at 1mW ERP, as you would expect.

Although I was planning to go back to 28MHz, I'm staying on 500kHz for a few more weeks, not least as the antenna and roof are frozen, so there is no chance of taking it down to make changes!

Thanks for all the support and, if you are >1000kms from JO02dg I hope you have a good station and manage to winkle me out one evening soon, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM




2010/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi LF
 
For those who don't yet know all the WSPR reception reports by suitably equiped stations are logged on a DATABASE. This is almost real time and can be filtered for BAND (say 500kc/s) and other parameters in the usual database way.
 
URL is ..... http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots

73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Fri, 8/1/10, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wrote:

From: g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>
Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz tonight
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 0:18


WSPR transmissions at the stroke of midnight, 08.01.2010, from various
stations, brought no less than 60 simultaneous reports from all over
Europe.

Eddie G3ZJO







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--=====================_10975606==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-8f54b4bc69c237; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:47:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD035-8f54b4bc69c237; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:47:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUtv-000791-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUtv-00078s-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUUtu-0005NH-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:46:27 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0C0kF3j008330 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:15 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d0a.644aef40 (37169) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-5bcb4b4bc650bc; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:10 -0500 Received: from magic-m06.mail.aol.com (magic-m06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.2]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB022-5bcb4b4bc650bc; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:08 -0500 From: kkorn42@aol.com Message-ID: <13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:46:08 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 92.227.83.219 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi dr Graham, well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any longer. Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice" are good words. I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant! I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop. The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, when none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will be there to fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. allocations for a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the ocean on foot. 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_13bd0.a4f87a8.387d2050_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi dr Graham,
well, it was funny to read the mails for a while ... but not any=20 longer.
Yes I know that song and its ending: "backfill" and "poetic justice"= are=20 good words.
I stand for an amateur community that is tolerant!
I do CW in 99% of my QSOs (since 50 years) - but I am also vy=20 interested in WSPR. I can see no problem in this, fullstop.
 
The whole thing will come to an end in the not too distant future, wh= en=20 none of us old chaps will be around anymore - and no young hams will be th= ere to=20 fill the gaps and no authority will have to ponder about frequ. allocation= s for=20 a freak-community whose members think, that they have to cross the ocean= on=20 foot.
 
73
de Klaus
dj6lb
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Hi,LF
Nice captur ra3yo
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Gibbs User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-X-Authenticated-User: jgibbs@infoserve.net X-Originating-IP: 66.51.128.102 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Antenna Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello.... Can the typical thermo-couple amp meter be placed in the antenna lead-in. I have had several fail open after a few days use. They were not close to any metallic grounded objects, or subject to over current. No lightning 73 John / VE7BDQ (VX9BDQ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4b44b79a301; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:17:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 538EF3800013A; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSYXy-0007H7-2U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSYXx-0007Gy-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:45 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSYXu-0000CK-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:15:45 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0FAEpGREtZ8LOb/2dsb2JhbACNRwaPCLZehDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="409562081" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.179.155]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2010 16:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001101ca8eeb$793e8680$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:15:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 QSL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b44b7986dc9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA0A de G3KEV Tnx ur QSL card Albert for first DUTCH/UK QSO on 500 khz CW QSL card to u in in the post. 73 HNY and hpe cu agn soon MAL/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PA0A de G3KEV
Tnx ur QSL card Albert for first DUTC= H/UK QSO on=20 500 khz CW
QSL card to u in in the post.<= /DIV>
73 HNY and hpe cu agn soon
MAL/G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8EEB.78E8C560-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5ef74b605c4f3d2; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:31:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3FFE38000085; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na9pn-0003Ba-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na9pn-0003BR-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:35 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na9pj-0003Nk-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:29:34 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=45704 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1Na9pd-000Mt6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:29:25 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004001ca9f65$80786e90$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC (+ new announcement) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b605c4c0894 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF, Many thanks for the reports! I am very surprised such good results. Now I will try to further reduc= e power. Start the beacon today at 19 z. 137775.5, dfcw90. Power 5 W. Who will have the opportunity, please watch for the beacon. Thanks! 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Nicolas, Markus, Victor, LF,
 
Many thanks for the reports!
I am very surprised such good results= . Now I will=20 try to further reduce power.
Start the beacon today at 19 z. 13777= 5.5,=20 dfcw90.
Power 5=20 W.
Who will have the opportunity, please= watch for the=20 beacon.
 
Thanks!
 
 
73 Andrey
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA9F7E.96DEF410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b40e3023e5; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:33:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 402843800007F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVFp-0003n9-7z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVFo-0003n0-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:40 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVFn-0001LG-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:32:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 50627 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2010 18:32:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262543554; bh=BAQihTRRR7fHUJp6kie79+iucuCN3AR8jMv19Zm3FDM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PTg/MhYBPxw0ERWg18Zqf5+HM9U5q3qszfvpTGhhsslIo1EvEmgnG4Xg/hzpTVW84dbFaB0TECs/al6bQMv37+jXhk7wOVhUsmLTaO0XlsJu4QqwiG71oHCO8GT4aOIiQw1vgBzXaj+u18sMLfrJ5qLXPxoAaFDN/8H+ePcxea0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HcgFfVCIHRkrs8b/G4zJhrKRn2SHUNArkxPtpVdcrCXv/Yx63CHv8UXGvfDnQWKjr9gspgg/poIQwNz4VcvWd0B8uEPUfQSW9NbzH2QBWSa+70O+z1EuGo3hdaVjIEPDqu1G16j2ojSehWvqu+Qgdy5srqpdB7i4ArKvmmRCqcI=; Message-ID: <639393.50610.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Jyw4HcIVM1lMOvuJG.jBUiJpLtNtohK.5uXSLosppcygDHLHIaH0BCh3DyC61pYlHr0KnYRahsn_rgB2b1kLXQ2Anl_SvFrk_VviobfpMha85JKxTxYLu2bfUYm02JC2I6SrS5K_35yrULTHAkNxRLoaaGzVIK1NkrI.qpWio3ofmSqPK7jBiZOgvgER1BZ7rRqyoEwLMNyb7ooKgvkGYdmoBx267od4y1iwi.Zm1llMA4NkGXTG.QrxuNM7FJhiAC6oaTYrTmEksFCS0EhSz1E- Received: from [86.147.177.124] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:32:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b40e3017429 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point Andy =A0 My method on 30m is to use a $30 Softrock=A0T/RX and use an VAC (Virtual= Audio Cable) to interconnect Joes software to my SDR application audio in= put and visa versa for the RX. Still linear though and very low power but= =A0in the spirit of WSPR. =A0It uses 3 x=A0QSD chips one in the RX and two in the TX plus a=A0=A04x= low noise Op amps one or two=A0bipolar devices=A0and some TTL for the LO= phase shift. All the hardware is in a 6x4x1.5 plastic box tucked behind= the PC. I can even multitask on the PC with some little disturbance to the T/RX op= eration. A testimony to optimising equipment utilisation. The SSB rig sits= gathering dust. =A0 The SR T/RX I am certain can me adapted to 500kc/s (the RX can) . In fact= if the onboard TR change over can be dispensed with=A0and taking RF strai= ght off the QSD mixer via a=A0a suitable transformer would go straight int= o a 500kc/s=A0linear PA bypassing the SR pa circuit. Again allowing the us= er to TX and RX=A0 any Diggi mode from software held on the PC via the VAC= .=20 Its a software Virtual World now..... do we really exist?? It's all Philip= K Dick's fault!!!=A0=A0 =A0 Must stop drinking the Fullers 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:55 For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phase shi= ft network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of CR's; although= a pair of op-amp allpass networks=A0does a=A0better job. =A0 Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz=A0by phase shifting teh= audio, then=A0followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse.=A0 http://www= .g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q outputs= from the soundcard. =A0 May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean you= don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, only to= lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of cour= se) Andy 2010/1/3 M0FMT OK Rik =A0 May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an existing= SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free=A0software - 3 x 2n2222= devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM has prop= osed. =A0 Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in old Joe= whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted ....= but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above? =A0 Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other=A0free to down load diggi= modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW ........ oh th= ats not PC on this reflector forgot..... =A0slapped wrists. =A0 73 HNY petefmt From: Rik Strobbe =20 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20 Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be kept= simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the tones= 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straightforward),= so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard. 73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal=A0 cont= rolled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification=A0 driving the= mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the=A0 Low power asp= ect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.=A0 Then use the readi= ly available Software that can be down loaded for=A0 free.... no brain sur= gery required. >=20 > 73 es GL petefmt >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: >=20 > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 >=20 > There is a way... >=20 > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. >=20 > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating= teh WSPR > message and the PIC code >=20 > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. >=20 > Perhaps there's a demand here... >=20 > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2010/1/3 Graham=A0 >: >> Roger >>=20 >> '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' >>=20 >> That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf >> carrier frequency=A0 conversion,=A0 ...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 convent= ional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good >> if you=A0 have dividing logic in the amplifier=A0 drive train , vfo=A0= controlled >> or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. >> Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... >>=20 >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To:=A0 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >>=20 >> Some suggestions: >>=20 >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of roo= m >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >>=20 >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >>=20 >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton=A0 > >>>=20 >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM=A0 =A0 GQRP 1678=A0 =A0 =A0 ISWL G11088 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point Andy
 
My method on 30m is to use a $30 Softrock T/RX and use an VAC (V= irtual Audio Cable) to interconnect Joes software to my SDR application au= dio input and visa versa for the RX. Still linear though and very low powe= r but in the spirit of WSPR.
 It uses 3 x QSD chips one in the RX and two in the TX plus= a  4x low noise Op amps one or two bipolar devices an= d some TTL for the LO phase shift. All the hardware is in a 6x4x1.5 plasti= c box tucked behind the PC.
I can even multitask on the PC with some little disturbance to the T/= RX operation. A testimony to optimising equipment utilisation. The SSB rig= sits gathering dust.
 
The SR T/RX I am certain can me adapted to 500kc/s (the RX can) . In= fact if the onboard TR change over can be dispensed with and taking= RF straight off the QSD mixer via a a suitable transformer would go= straight into a 500kc/s linear PA bypassing the SR pa circuit. Again= allowing the user to TX and RX  any Diggi mode from software held on= the PC via the VAC.
Its a software Virtual World now..... do we really exist?? It's all= Philip K Dick's fault!!!  
 
Must stop drinking the Fullers

73 es GL petefmt

--- On= Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:55

For the narrow range of frequencies needed for WSPR, a 90 degree phas= e shift network at audio need consist of no more than a pair of= CR's; although a pair of op-amp allpass networks does a better= job.
 
Direct conversion from baseband to 137 or 500kHz by phase shifti= ng teh audio, then followed by a Soft-rock style QSD in reverse. = ; http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf
It would be simpler still if Joe could be persuaded to provide I/Q ou= tputs from the soundcard.
 
May be slightly more complicated than a mixer from RF, but does mean= you don't need to tie up the SSB rig transmitting all that HF output, onl= y to lose it all again in an attenuator (assuming no low level output, of= course)

Andy
2010/1/3 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk= >
=
OK Rik
 
May be your way is simpler. I was thinking along the lines of an exis= ting SSB rig in most but not all shacks existing free software - 3 x= 2n2222 devices a mixer chip an xtal and may be a fet pa like what G3XBM= has proposed.
 
Phase shifting a carrier which in the software is done at audio in ol= d Joe whats his names software can be done at RF cariier frequency granted= .... but is it over all simpler than a transverter method described above= ?
 
Having built your 500kc/s transverter all other free to down loa= d diggi modes are then possible (Goord 'elp us) even dare I say CW .......= . oh thats not PC on this reflector forgot.....  slapped wrists.
 
73 HNY petefmt





From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Str= obbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20

Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 17:16=20


Pete,

There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so= things can be kept simple.
Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is= to generate WSPR with the tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide= by 10.
As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty straight= forward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to hard.
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Probably simpler to to= make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal  controlled oscillator and= a few stages of linear amplification  driving the mixer with an SSB= rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the  Low power aspect so no QRO= linears required if you play the game.  Then use the readily availab= le Software that can be down loaded for  free.... no brain surgery re= quired.
>
> 73 es GL petefmt
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbo= t <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com<= /A>> wrote:
>
> From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> Subject:= Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 January= , 2010, 15:59
>
> There is a way...
>
> If you= can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the
> four= WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
>= This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the
&= gt; other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the
> oscillator.
>
&= gt; Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive.
> See =   www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP   for details of= generating teh WSPR
> message and the PIC code
>
> The= design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but
>= with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a
>= standalone manually trigerred mode.
>
> Perhaps there's a de= mand here...
>
> WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in= a PC
> http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
> A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Se= rial
> port and PIC based dongle...
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt= .com
>
>
>
> Andy
> www.g4jnt.com
>=
> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth
> and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances haza= rdous to
> health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and= polar regions
>
>
>
> 2010/1/3 Graham  &l= t;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk<<= A href=3D"http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet= .co.uk" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/c= ompose?to=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>>:
>> Roger
>= >
>> '''  More people should use WSPR - '''
>>=
>> That's not as  easy as  it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audio to&= nbsp; rf
>> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fine&nbs= p; if you have a  conventional
>> transverter , mf exciter= or ham set that works down to  500/137 ...No good
>> if you=   have dividing logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo = controlled
>> or PIC based without the  'ability'  to&= nbsp; run a wspr  generating  code set ..
>> Its a = ; good  point worth making though ...
>>
>> G..>> From: Roger Lapthorn
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 201= 0 10:20 PM
>> To:  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org>
>> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
>= ;> Mal,
>>
>> Some suggestions:
>>
>= > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a ti= me
>> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within= just a 200Hz slice
>> of the band allowing very useful data on= propagation and station
>> performance/changes to be determined.=   This would leave plenty of room
>> elsewhere in the band= for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
>> Occasional= testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of
>>= interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to us= e
>> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX= if interference
>> to weak signals is likely.
>> You sh= ould try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
>> less".
= >>
>> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector>>
>> Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>>=
>>
>> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton  <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@t= alktalk.net>>
>>>
>>> I am afraid we ha= ve a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and
>>>= S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to>>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot unders= tand why a
>>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narro= w band allocation.
>>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by bea= cons.
>>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>>> G3= KEV
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>= -------------------------------------------------------------
>>= http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk<http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk/>
>> G3XBM    GQRP 1678  &nbs= p;   ISWL G11088
>>
>>
>>
>
&= gt;
>
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=20 --0-1276636367-1262543554=:50610-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a4a4b56bcc1d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:20:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a4b56bcc1d7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:20:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVmd-0005QK-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXVmd-0005QB-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:23 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVma-0003W7-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:22 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7264C8160 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FCB4C80B7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56BC80.6020509@online.fr> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:12 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF [137kHz] " XGJ " Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all on LF , last night good copy of XGJ(qrp) What signal ? see at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/20100120090720.jpg 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj Thank you Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren ,LF > nice captrure XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 17-01.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA081-b5304b5a13b133e; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:08:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5286D38000237; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQii-00030k-Hb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYQii-00030b-4X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYQih-0000ef-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:07:08 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4385D51C005 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4877BF3862 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5BA5D18056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b5a13af1ba3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, Jim, I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST M0BMU". It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.86]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-5eac4b562f91249; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:17:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F951380001C9; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXMNT-0004W9-VD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXMNT-0004W0-AI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from mout7.freenet.de ([195.4.92.97]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXMNS-00065X-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout7.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NXMNP-0003vt-Vy; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:43 +0100 Received: from p57af25f4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.37.244]:1504 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NXMNO-0001Pz-So; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:43 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: Cc: "'Gary - G4WGT'" References: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:16:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4550CA09119C45E5A9BF1FB7D7647FD6@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqZUUajdci1S/8ITIaVVHGPU0IUWwAARjsA In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191347v263eea05j8ea377970ad5b628@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564b562f8f52ee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, However..I also decoded this line at 21:56 UTC in JT4A-Mode .. Where ever it comes from.. 215600 5 -16 0.5 -61 20 * ***WRONG MODE?*** 0 0 Sri, but did not decode your call sign complete. Will try again tomorrow. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ===== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 22:47 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A LF, I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated. So, I will try for a 2 way QSO tomorrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a reply or 2. I believe someone did try to reply tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night. 73 Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hel= lo Gary,

 

How= ever….I also decoded this line at 21:56 UTC in JT4A-Mode ….<= /p>

Whe= re ever it comes from….

215= 600  5  -16  0.5  -61 20 *      ***WRONG MODE?***         0  = 0

Sri= , but did not decode your call sign complete…

Wil= l try again tomorrow…

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19.= Januar 2010 22:47
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz WS= JT JT4A

 

LF,

 

I will QRT at 2200utc, thanks for= all the replies & decodes etc. It seems some interest has been generated.

 

So, I will try for a 2 way QSO to= morrow night if possible, I will start calling CQ (in JT4A mode) & hope for a repl= y or 2.

 

I believe someone did try to repl= y tonight but for some reason I did not decode. Hopefully better tomorrow night.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Gary - G4WGT.

------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA995D.768B4F50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b4a0e868a; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:29:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2434338000102; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU1aZ-0003gd-Nv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU1aZ-0003gU-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU1aX-0003Ja-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:28:31 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0AHSOTP028630 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:28:25 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: summer activity? Thread-Index: AcqSFj1VcPeoqedeSaG4Kk84KHedMwAAwTn5 References: <001d01ca920a$a07dfce0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002901ca9215$70751410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.669;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.10.171817 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA921A.508FDC33" Subject: LF: summer activity? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4a0e857b89 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA921A.508FDC33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 =20 Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about the summer? I= haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, how much stronger is it? Jus= t some db or is a qso in cw or qrss almost impossible? How much does it af= fect the groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between day and night= much more than in the winter? =20 Sri, cannot be qrv this weekend, just watch the DF6NM grabber and listen= to utwente websdr ;-) I am envious, once again ;-) =20 Wish you fun and gd qsos!=20 =20 Congrats to mal for the qsos! Nice acty! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 17:53 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 137.7 Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on 500 his first= PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ now cq on 500.= plus others. OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 de mal/g3kev=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton =20 To: rsgb =20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: LF: 137.7 Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. 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+0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR8N8-0002Iv-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:06:44 +0000 Received: from COL122-W2 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:06:31 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B3F8547.14.5A2DF1F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <1478826918.20100102161537@dx.ru>,<4B3F8547.14.5A2DF1F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 18:06:31.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[50479090:01CA8BD6] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_d111b85b-7dd8-471d-9afb-a5c036d168e6_" Subject: RE: LF: G3XDV in s10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3f8b6f21c2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_d111b85b-7dd8-471d-9afb-a5c036d168e6_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_" --_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike and Ed! Here are pictures of your great signals. It was interesting to watch your= QSO! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ****************** > From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:41:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV in s10 >=20 > Ed, >=20 > Thanks for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your=20 > transmission. >=20 > Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the report. >=20 > I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most evenings. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > >=20 > > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo > > Signal is not so bad in daylight > >=20 > > 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_5f420652-4214-466e-a08f-cdb98d22fe1b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike and Ed!
Here are pictures of your great signals. It was inte= resting to watch your QSO!
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

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> From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
> To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:41:27 +0000
> Su= bject: Re: LF: G3XDV in s10
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks= for the report. Here is a screenshot of the first part of your
>= transmission.
>
> Thanks also to Lubos, OK2BVG for the repor= t.
>
> I will try to be QRV on QRSS10 at around 1700 most eve= nings.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
>
> >
> > This is Mike G3XDV in s10 of Argo
= > > Signal is not so bad in daylight
> >
> > 73!= Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru
>
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF [137kHz] " XGJ " Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b5855f37217 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Jean-Pierre for the grabber! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:19 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello all on LF , > > last night good copy of XGJ(qrp) > > What signal ? see at : http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/20100120090720.jpg > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > Thank you Henny! > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > > 2010/1/17 henny van elst : >> >> Hi Warren ,LF >> nice captrure XGJ >> Henny pa3cpm >> best 73s >> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> verzonden: >> XGJ 17-01.jpg >> > > > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b54203f2db; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:47:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with 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<74322F7CEE8A41A4A4DA219D577B6C3E@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qgU9HKu4gkEk/04CBSO5eg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b54203c1b7b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qgU9HKu4gkEk/04CBSO5eg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_II2dB9ULx30xTKY3ndAAkg)" --Boundary_(ID_II2dB9ULx30xTKY3ndAAkg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,strong signal. antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891. best 73s henny cpm. 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Hi Warren,strong signal.
antenne active 60 cm,reciever Rohde&schwarz 10khz-30mhz ek891.
best 73s
henny cpm.
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
VX9MRC 18-01 507.77KHZ.jpg

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Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:08 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:43:07 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ACF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ACF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqifxe5KwR5yT3JThSSyDrSdJp8sAARAHpI References: <12077821.1264946261487.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.717;31.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.31.223326 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA2C6.C23F12E9" Subject: AW: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b6607e41f25 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA2C6.C23F12E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Chris,=20 =20 I am not a communication engineer (but a power electronic engineer ;-) ),= so rather an amateur in this field. So my answer is kept simple ;-) =20 In the datasheet of this cable i just found that attenuation is less than= 150dB/km, so abt 3dB for my 20m cable. I have tried a cable of 2m (for in= door tests) and changed the cable to 20m. The difference (e.g. of DCF39 in= the Argo monitor) is less than one S unit. =20 In the moment i use a SFH350V (photo transistor)as the receiver. But recen= tly i read in the web that a photodiode has (significant) less noise. So= i want to try a SFH250V in a next step to reduce the overall noise, proba= bly in combination with a second BF862 in the input stage of the RX. The= SFH250V has even much better switching times. I have already ordered some= of those. I will try this and send the circuit here... =20 The cable i use has a PE shielding which is not suitable to exist 10s of= years in the summer sun. But the distributor told me, it will be no probl= em for some years. And since LF is a living project, this is enough for me= . =20 The losses of the cable must be compensated by a gain of an amplifier with= in the system. This gain is not reached without a noise (e.g. by a OPA) bu= t this noise can be much smaller than the noise that you fed into a sensit= ive RX antenna, i expect. But the main aspect is, that one doesn't have to= worry any more if it could be possible that a noise is fed from the PC/RX= /house to the preamp by the cable. =20 73s, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Chris Trask Gesendet: So 31.01.2010 14:57 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 > > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of the loop preamp is > in a strange design. That may be come, since i (have to) use > outlook exchange (?) > > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked for the picture, > please give my a short confirmation if the picture is in the > correct format now. > > I do some modifications to the RX in the moment and will send > the new and perhaps better circuit soon. But the setup is > already working vy fine! > That is a very interesting approach to minimizing induced noise on th= e RX cable. What are the loss characteristics of the optical link, includ= ing the diode(s)? 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1697499-1262535520=:86512" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b40c39f28e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal controlle= d oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification driving the mixer wi= th an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the Low power aspect so no QR= O linears required if you play the game. Then use the readily available So= ftware that can be down loaded for free.... no brain surgery required.=A0 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 There is a way... If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the oscillator. Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. See=A0 =A0 www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP=A0=A0=A0for details of generating te= h WSPR message and the PIC code The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a standalone manually trigerred mode. Perhaps there's a demand here... WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial port and PIC based dongle... Andy www.g4jnt.com Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/3 Graham : > Roger > > '''=A0 More people should use WSPR - ''' > > That's not as=A0 easy as=A0 it=A0 sounds , wspr=A0 needs=A0 a=A0 liner= audio to=A0 rf > carrier=A0frequency =A0conversion,=A0=A0...fine=A0 if you have a=A0 conv= entional > transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to=A0 500/137 ...No= good > if you=A0 have dividing logic in the=A0amplifier =A0drive train , vfo=A0= controlled > or PIC based without the=A0 'ability'=A0 to=A0 run a wspr=A0 generating= =A0 code set .. > Its a=A0 good=A0 point worth making though ... > > G.. > From: Roger Lapthorn > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > Mal, > > Some suggestions: > > More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time > based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice > of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station > performance/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room > elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. > Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of > interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use > this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere= nce > to weak signals is likely. > You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan > less". > > 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > 2010/1/2 mal hamilton >> >> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a >> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >> Does anyone else have an opinion? >> G3KEV >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 > > > =20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 --0-1697499-1262535520=:86512-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF044-8be84b4f0f3d9f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 36246380001A9; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOsh-0007q3-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVOsh-0007pu-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com ([209.85.220.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVOse-0000K5-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:55 +0000 Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so2849707fxm.29 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:32:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=n+zZwLtPOhy1XugDJa3dFvaeGnykzePFrQWk8KmCaEE=; b=ncAKUw31+3FswOD9Y8ObV1+VuPAyJ4f3A16w5sU/r2tMICnn4dve41gnXWwWunO3Z/ WbearD5lzaQwCw8ZCDrfEdEbHimrdTjrB4p5wtM/g0Ofx6b7Ow9mQ7/cIy8w+atLyAL9 daSGzd1OPIpuqRomZyh59buDzvJhLmAlqYuBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qwZs2gcc/QD0ZgAh7dHViPkkmpQ5toRIffbuO7u26/wALcSMNVGbyraf2G0kuJ7U97 JmPi+1zjdufTm6VNNxGxQZy6No1sE2ybHcqlEchYZNSOh1l1DemD18OYQlIUK8zCkMpU 35PnWzS4koy6J8SrR3G4j7KZYxJyHV7RSwhGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.76 with SMTP id s12mr67138hbh.111.1263472365025; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:32:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:32:44 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b4f0f3b23c8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter's master oscillator do so. That way errors will be cancelled out and any frequency drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily high IF. Just an example: The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from 30.5MHz would be an option in this case. But one could just as easily divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn > My own QRP transverter goes from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about > 40Hz before settling as the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to > adjust the dial setting in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the > oscillator running all the time or have this on for 30 minutes before I > start TXing. > > At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient temperature > LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even greater as > his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a larger > temperature range. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT > > Hi guys, >> >> Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 >> MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am >> aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. >> >> Thanks all the comments. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> 2010/1/13 James Moritz >> >> Dear LF Group, >>> >>> ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a >>> better IF frequency from the drift point of view. >>> >>> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> 73 de M0BMU >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < >>> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift >>> >>> >>> >>> over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >>>> 503848 to 503885 >>>> >>>> 73, Rik >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you are able to derive the transverter LO from the transverter'= ;s master oscillator do so.=A0 That way=A0errors will be cancelled out and= =A0any frequency=A0drift will be now be in direct proportion to the final= output frequency, rather than being that associated with any arbitrarily= high IF.
=A0
Just an example:
The master oscillator in the IC746 is at 30MHz, so transverting from= 30.5MHz would be an option in this case.=A0 But one could just as easily= divide this by 2 first and transvert from 15.5MHz.
=A0
Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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2010/1/14 Roger Lapthorn <= rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=
My own QRP transverter goes= from 28MHz down to 500kHz and this drifts about 40Hz before settling as= the oscillator warms, so I have to be on-hand to adjust the dial setting= in the first 30 minutes. I should leave the oscillator running all the ti= me or have this on for 30 minutes before I start TXing.

At 50MHz drift would be worse. Also, I'm not sure what ambient tem= perature LA3EQ has got, but I bet it is cold, so his drift might be even= greater as his transverter (higher power than mine) warms up more over a= larger temperature range.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/14 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi guys,=20

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes as the drift flattened= out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as= far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mori= tz@btopenworld.com>=20

Dear LF Group,
...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz woul= d be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----= From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <<= a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR= drift=20



over the past 12= hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885
73, Rik





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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.= uk
= http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 = =A0ISWL G11088

--0016e64c2d36803b6d047d1f1513-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.142]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b6123a01a5; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:41:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8982B38000159; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaN7f-00010F-KP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaN7e-000106-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:54 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaN7c-0002e4-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:54 +0000 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD822A03F for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4b61239e40d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, probablly the software measures S/N in the 200Hz bandwith you can see and calculates this number to a 2500HZ bandwith.K1JT cuuld tell us more.I don't see any improvement going down from 2500Hz to 250Hz unless their are strong signals in the 2500Hz filter wich can be rejected by the 250Hz filter.I don't see a reason to go below 200Hz because I want to see all possible stations,this just improves S/N number but you won't decode weaker signals than with a broader filter . 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 22:00 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Hello Rik,Andy, normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decodes down to -32 dB although rare... 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 all,
 
probablly the software measures S/N in the 200Hz bandwit= h you can see and=20 calculates this number to a 2500HZ bandwith.K1JT cuuld tell us more.I= don't see=20 any improvement going down from 2500Hz to 250Hz unless their are stron= g signals=20 in the 2500Hz filter wich can be rejected by the 250Hz filter.I don't= see a=20 reason to go below 200Hz because I want to see all possible stations,t= his just=20 improves S/N number  but you won't decode weaker signals than wit= h a=20 broader filter .
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 victor13@online.nl
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010= =20 22:00
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE:=20 RE: WSPR Reports

Hello Rik,Andy,
 
normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get de= codes down to -32=20 dB although rare...
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:<= /B>=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik=20 Strobbe
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33
= Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR=20 Reports

Andy,<= /FONT>
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a=20 narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5= kHz (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR= values=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 janua= ri 2010=20 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp:= LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system,= or is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
Probably simpler to to make up a transverte= r - mixer with a xtal controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amp= lification driving the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR= is the Low power aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game.= Then use the readily available Software that can be down loaded for free.= ... no brain surgery required. 

73 es GL petefmt

--- On= Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>= wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59

There is a way...

If you can arrange an osci= llator so that it can be pulled onto the
four WSPR tone frequencies (se= parated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines.
This could be as simple as two= resistors, one twice the value of the
other, giving a 2-bit D/A conver= ter, controlling a varicap on the
oscillator.

Then a PIC keyer= can generate the logic level drive.
See    www.g4jnt.com/WSP= RBCNS.ZIP   for details of generating teh WSPR
message= and the PIC code

The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get ac= curate timing, but
with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made= to work in a
standalone manually trigerred mode.

Perhaps there'= s a demand here...

WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC<= BR>http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf
A prog could be writ= ten to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial
port and PIC based dongle...

Andy=
www.g4jnt.com



Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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= 2010/1/3 Graham <g8= fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
> Roger
>
> '''  Mor= e people should use WSPR - '''
>
> That's not as  easy as=   it  sounds , wspr  needs  a  liner audio to&nbs= p; rf
> carrier frequency  conversion,  ...fine&= nbsp; if you have a  conventional
> transverter , mf exciter or= ham set that works down to  500/137 ...No good
> if you = have dividing logic in the amplifier  drive train , vfo  controlled
&= gt; or PIC based without the  'ability'  to  run a wspr&nbs= p; generating  code set ..
> Its a  good  point worth= making though ...
>
> G..
> From: Roger Lapthorn
>= ; Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
> Mal,
>
>= Some suggestions:
>
> More people should use WSPR - lots of= stations (more than 100 at a time
> based on 10MHz usage) are able= to operate together within just a 200Hz slice
> of the band allowin= g very useful data on propagation and station
> performance/changes= to be determined.  This would leave plenty of room
> elsewhere= in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
> Occasional testing= with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of
> interest to= me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to use
> th= is mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference<= BR>> to weak signals is likely.
> You should try a New Year resol= ution: "I will be more tolerant and moan
> less".
>
> 73= s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector
>
> Roger G3XB= M
>
>
>
>
> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>>>
>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreadin= g over 3 kcs wide and
>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM to those of us trying to
>> listen and work the East Coast= USA stations. I cannot understand why a
>> station is licensed to work SSB in= such a narrow band allocation.
>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles= swamped by beacons.
>> Does anyone else have an opinion?
>= > G3KEV
>>
>
>
> --
> ----------------= ---------------------------------------------
> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/<= BR>> http://www.g3x= bm.co.uk
> G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL= G11088
>
>
>

 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA9FE4.D277D8F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-5eae4b60aada32; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 088093800047B; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF51-0004xz-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaF51-0004xq-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaF50-0006cK-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NaF4y-0000Ur-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:36 +0100 Received: from p57af20ea.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.32.234]:1213 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NaF4x-0005jG-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:35 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acqfh/yN3gYcVC5kRV+S2Zkl6M3gXgADChUg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b60aad51860 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, ..just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM! 210200 8 -21 1.1 -11 29 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ====== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 20:33 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF, Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gary,

 

= 230;.just decoding at minus 21 dB and strong local QRM!

 

210= 200  8  -21  1.1  -11 29 *      CQ G4WGT IO83   &nbs= p;         1   0

 

vy= 73 de Gerhard  //  DK6NI (JN59LN)

 

=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von:<= /span> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] = Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27.= Januar 2010 20:33
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz JT= 4A

 

LF,

 

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dia= l frequency 502.300 kHz USB.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9F9C.DAA918B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b4a61d9239; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA4B23800017E; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU78r-00070h-OS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU78r-00070Y-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU78q-0001kw-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB2151C002 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9297F3862 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2AD4718056; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from 135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (135.147-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.147.135]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 Message-ID: <20100111002406.dhsto910w04gwwc0@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:24:06 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.147.135 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b4a61d621ed X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Stefan, what most of us try on LF and MF (137kHz / 500kHz) is to optimize the =20 "efficiency" of their station, within the limits they have. Some are lucky and have plenty of place to put up huge antennas. Some build (or buy) high-power PA's. Some use try new modes. I do not see any reason who one of these options would be "more noble" =20 than the other. Just one (fictive) thought: Two radioamateurs attemt to get the best out of their station. The first buys a big antenna, a top class tranceiver and a big PA. He =20 makes his QSO's in CW, probably using a commercial electronic keyer =20 and using the build-in DSP filter of his top class tranceiver. The second one has a homebrew antenna, a modest tranceiver (he hasn't =20 the Euro's to buy a top class one) but tries to get the best out of it =20 by experimenting with new modes, maybe even writing the appropriate =20 software. Who of this two is the true "amateur" ? For some reason anything to improve the signal seems to be acceptable =20 except the visible aid of computers: - buy or build big antennas (and have the property to place them): OK - buy or build big PA's: OK - try new modes using "visible" aid of a computer: no way 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > > WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW =20 > it is the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully =20 > do TA QSOs nw in wspr, congrats! > > What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available =20 > with even much better error correction and so on? What, if this =20 > software is so good that a QSO to VK will be possible? > > I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the =20 > personal meaning of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect =20 > software that does record and publish everything automatically, is =20 > the QSO then done by you due to your knowledge and your motivation =20 > to built up a good station and the time you (and the QSO partner) =20 > spent to get that contact? Or is it done by the software? Is the =20 > feeling about a confirmed two way contact the same in than in CW? > > If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m =20 > and WSPR accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a =20 > question of time to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf =20 > and so you just have to look if the ODX increased and if not, just =20 > wait some days longer... > > Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW =20 > contact? Really? > > If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still =20 > doing QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that =20 > appears to some of us. > > For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a =20 > choice since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal =20 > that has to be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. =20 > I want to listen (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed =20 > by a human to the same time and want to get a personal information =20 > (not such as 599tu). Anything else is just in the region of a test =20 > that gets boring if the ODX does not increase any more and fast =20 > enough. And all the work will be relativated when the next, of =20 > course better, version comes out... > > In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are =20 > apart to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b4b39bb5f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6558380001B5; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NULW0-0002tG-G4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NULW0-0002t7-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NULVw-0006jM-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:45:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4GADrISktZ8qx8/2dsb2JhbACNVQaOfro6hC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,256,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="288619040" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.172.124]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 14:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: <004601ca92cc$a59a58a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:44:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 500 update Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b4b39b82a76 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now active and worked PA0LCE, PA0AM, PA0A,PE5T, LA3EQ,OZ8NJ, EI0CF,EI6= IZ, SM6BGP, GW3UEP, GM3BST, G3DXZ. These stations are active frequentl= y on 500 CW. Other UK stns pop up occasionally. All acty above is in= CW MODE. Things are looking good for DXCC. de Mal/G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now active and worked PA0LCE, PA0AM,= PA0A,PE5T,=20 LA3EQ,OZ8NJ, EI0CF,EI6IZ, SM6BGP, GW3UEP, GM3BST, G3DXZ. These station= s are=20 active frequently on 500 CW. Other UK stns pop up occas= ionally.=20 All acty above is in CW MODE.
Things are looking good for DXCC.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
  
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA92CC.A5422680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b561b64132; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:51:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16A37380000A9; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXL2E-0003Gm-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXL2E-0003Gd-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXL2B-0008WA-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:50:46 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-95-116-115.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.116.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0JKoTwu092397 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:50:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4B561B14.7000104@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:50:28 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100119-0, 01/19/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040007000208040903060307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094b561b610d49 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------040007000208040903060307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi Ko, > > Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. > > There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as > there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text > into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. 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X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574b4e484b5eda X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503848 to 503885 73, Rik Quoting John P-G : > On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:47:28 +0000 > Gary - G4WGT wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Someone transmitting WSPR has a severe drift, no decodes on this >> signal. >> > > My guess is LA3EQ - has been very unstable, but does decode > occasionally here. > > John > GM4SLV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b537d08111; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6E1438000085; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWcOI-0001gZ-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWcOI-0001gQ-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWcOG-0001WJ-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:10:34 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100117210527.RNGC4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:27 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWcJL-00041U-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:27 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:05:22 -0000 Message-ID: <045b01ca97b8$c8b93cc0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqXuMh7SjPZEidWR22q2+uNP7naMA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=iX6xdwkGujUA:10 a=RZ3je0kIN_P3yLHZLxYA:9 a=mb1b8uYwwoQ1W9Lj561LWYeKNoUA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=qaDpohCt4lPy3BVv0nMA:9 a=5pNQ4LA0Wb4HwFG3mboA:7 a=Bd5iv_JQei7-5fEbs3VI9gdc7hMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racal Dana 9084 sig gen - display flashing and no output? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b537d054e48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signal gen but I can't seem to get any output and the frequency display is flashing. I have tried to google for a manual to no avail. Has anyone got a copy of the manual for this unit or can tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance Also - I could do with copies of the manuals for the W & G SPM19, SPM3 and PS60 if anyone has them. I will gladly cover reproduction costs/postage etc With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Dear LF,

 

I have acquired a Racal Dana 9084 signa= l gen but I can’t seem to get any output and the frequency display is flashing.  &n= bsp;I have tried to google for a manual to no avail.

 

Has anyone got a copy of the manual for= this unit or can tell me what I am doing wrong?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Also – I could do with copies of= the manuals for the W & G  SPM19, SPM3 and PS60 if anyone has them.  I will gl= adly cover reproduction costs/postage etc

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim  G7NKS

 =

 

------=_NextPart_000_045C_01CA97B8.C8B93CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-9284b3f642d37b; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:20:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b3f642d37b; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:20:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR5kS-00047q-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR5kS-00047h-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR5kR-0006S3-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:18:36 +0000 Received: from COL122-W6 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:18:28 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 15:18:28.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6514D60:01CA8BBE] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_" Subject: LF: RU6LA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His signal is very= good, really "O".=20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I have been in QRSS3 QSO with Ed, RU6LA, on 137.704kHz. His= signal is very good, really "O".

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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Dal=B9= =ED informace. =3D --_737eeed7-7d43-4328-8c77-65f47e3261f2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD092-b774b4de9a62fd; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD051-b774b4de9a62fd; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:41:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5KV-0004AX-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV5KU-0004AO-No for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:18 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV5KS-0000sK-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 4129 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1YGulIu5r227g+PXMhem3oua+BK6U7IqIXvEje1yMzPb20X9uTnymkzOuc2A2VhOI+tUP6Rk0XKp2F1PzPCKVVGLkrKNy9VOQeLdyOA4Fz0tUCH19T0cBr+io4WhAj/SVB5jfN/S5Ph4ZO8oZSxdsW4t2Tz0ISo4um7FEn0rbSY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: Sdh1_EoVM1ncTRephD5QM4UpKL0xARHS9bZYHwZKNTa7B9ICjupsTtGU87qI_JsQnYCqB4__fKEf7DMj3GXo4qoqXKLgvdho9k3uq_ezOyfgxiSaDkCTLW9rVCvI7VgZuJ9N1U649lHcaBPoC2mdoT0XU7qSvHV7eYkWk4T.EwFaDuKg06OgxbE7jVNI35zXK7A7MxmXcq_YNUoOo.Aqy7QaamIv.ZalmSEF41hXoeQJgTjP.EcZbxqL87KGwv9s5VyeGcnMh546sw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <77594C42B7E94BD08ABA1A785B5B1B91@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4372382A086@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:40:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Marco, OK - at the moment I am limited to 200W TX on 136k due to PSU problems, but that should be enough. Will inform you later when I will be QRV. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: LF: Can someone send a WSPR Signal on 137KHz this evening? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.216]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-8b7f4b637d0c1c1; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:27:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B64538000102; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1Ad-0000fE-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1Ad-0000f5-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb1Ab-00056I-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:26:39 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.45.216.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.45.216.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.45.216]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655685E38; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:26:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: John Bruce McCreath In-Reply-To: <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:26:46 -0500 Cc: "& UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European" Message-Id: <35BBBBB3-8938-403F-9F37-6AEEDC3FE283@hurontel.on.ca> References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> <4B628BC8.5040701@mail.ru> <4B636B40.7070407@mail.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA0A WSPRing into VE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84b637d0b360b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Lowfers, It seems that the TA path is good this evening, with PA0A again showing up= here on the eastern shore of Lake Huron. I'll leave the rig running throughout the evening and see if= any others appear! 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.149]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b3e5c8d10b; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:35:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AE30D38001D4A; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnx1-0001xo-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQnx1-0001xf-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:23 +0000 Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQnwy-0005rv-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:18:22 +0000 Received: from RADIORUM2 (0x3ef3a16d.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk [62.243.161.109]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F002BF84019 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:17:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004401ca8b1f$7ff489e0$6da1f33e@RADIORUM2> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?niels_rudberg_j=F8rgensen?= To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:17:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA0A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40954b3e58d32eff X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Worked PA0A tonite, this being the first 500-kHz PA-OZ qso. Fine signal from PA0A. QRB slightly more than 500 km. 73 and HNY to all. Niels/OZ8NJ+ ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Worked PA0A tonite, this being the fi= rst=20 500-kHz
PA-OZ qso. Fine signal from PA0A. QRB= =20 slightly
more than 500 km.
73 and HNY to all.
Niels/OZ8NJ+
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA8B27.D794A970-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b4240af36c; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:25:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4E21F3800E76C; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrti-00012I-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRrth-000129-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRrte-0004Do-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:43:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4EABXFQUtcG7A5/2dsb2JhbACCFosrBsgygiKCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="259828672" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.176.57]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 18:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: <006f01ca8d6d$c40eb3d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4E66E5A6231D407898A2A06295F842B0@p4> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:43:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Z codes etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b4237156c11 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark My only observations about WSPR is that it is an Appliance Operator mo= de. Set it up go to work or go to bed and check a data base once a yea= r or more often if one desires.=20 I personally do not need WSPR because I can get on a band and after a= short observation make a decision whether the propagation at the time= suits what I want to achieve and commence communications in real time= . To find out later as in using WSPR is pointless because the opportun= ity has passed.=20 How would DXPEDITIOINS implement WSPR when one needs to know at a spec= ific time when to engage a particular band to work particular countrie= s in reral time. WSPR is a store and tell mode and useless except for those that want= to fiddle with machines then leave them unattende and hope for the be= st How did we professional operators manage communications and propagatio= n this past 100 years without WSPR, and still do. WSPR is a toy for those that fumble and get muddled with CW and the= only alternative is Mobile Phone, Internet or Wspr. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: LF: Z codes etc ZKB? ZHP G3KEV ???? ZCS ZAZ=20 For those interested in Z codes http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html Seriously though Mal. You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devo= te hours of your day to policing the lower bands, and actually operati= ng, which must be great. Most of us have other things to do and some= can contribute more by the use of innovative software and systems tha= t allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparable to or bett= er than any human operator, without having to stay glued to the receiv= er. I fully expect to be able to gather enough data from WSPR transmissi= ons eventually to measure the movement and size of propagation 'zones'= and probably other useful data too. I don't expect you to understand= the technicalities, I have only a limited ability in this area, I fin= d the maths hard, but then I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are th= ose in our community who really do understand what the potential is an= d are working hard to realise it.=20 The use of these modes and the potential benefits may be outside you= r interests, but have the courtesy to respect that others actively wis= h to use the band for genuine experimental reasons, rather that just= operating. Some may not even want to have QSOs =20 FWIW, I am also a keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps wit= hout prejudices instilled by my profession, and I am able to operate= and receive weak CW within tens of Hz of other transmissions. If you= are half the operator you claim to be, you too will not be severely= impacted by the usage of a small segment of the band by WSPR or other= machine generated transmissions.=20 A good proportion of my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even ligh= t, is on CW, and it has netted me more DX and first countries from GM= that I can remember. However you will find me on JT65 and JT6M regula= rly on 4m and 6m as it is better for some of the propagation modes I= am interested in.=20 I will be running up a WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with= luck, and will endeavour to provide the grabber and WSPR receive syst= em, 24/7 www.dc2light.co.uk =20 There is room, even in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and inter= ests to be explored without significant conflict. Be happy that the ba= nd is being actively used. =20 You are not going to have regular QSOs with stations like me who wan= t to experiment, as I am not often in a position to break out the key.= When I do have time to operate, it is likely to be on CW, the WSPR sy= stem will be off and I hope to see you there! Happy New Year Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a ba= sic set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them gro= wling away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data ba= se once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF us= ing CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more= than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together= within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on pr= opagation and station performance/changes to be determined. This woul= d leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowba= nd conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use= it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it'= s not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lo= ng-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more= tolerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------= - http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark
My only observations about WSPR is th= at it is an=20 Appliance Operator mode. Set it up go to work or go to bed and check= a data base=20 once a year or more often if one desires.
I personally do not need WSPR because= I can get on=20 a band and after a short observation make a decision whether the propa= gation at=20 the time suits what I want to achieve and commence communications in= real time.=20 To find out later as in using WSPR is pointless because the opportunit= y has=20 passed.
How would DXPEDITIOINS implement WSPR= when one=20 needs to know at a specific time when to engage a particular band to= work=20 particular countries in reral time.
WSPR is a store and tell &n= bsp;mode and=20 useless except for those that want to fiddle with machines then leave= them=20 unattende and hope for the best
How did we professional operators man= age=20 communications and propagation this past 100 years without WSPR, and= still=20 do.
WSPR is a toy for those that fumble&n= bsp;and get=20 muddled  with CW and the only alternative is Mobile Phone, Intern= et or=20 Wspr.
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 5:43=20 PM
Subject: LF: Z codes etc

ZKB?
 
ZHP G3KEV ????
 
ZCS
 
 
 
 
ZAZ
 
For those interested in Z codes
http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html
 

Seriously though= Mal.=20 You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote hours of= your day=20 to policing the lower bands, and actually operating, which must be= =20 great.  Most of us have other things=20 to do and some can contribute more by the use of innovative sof= tware and=20 systems that allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparab= le to or=20 better than any human operator, without having to stay glu= ed to the=20 receiver.

I fully expect to= be able to=20 gather enough data from WSPR transmissions eventually to measure=20 the movement and size of propagation 'zones'  and pro= bably=20 other useful data too. I don=92t expect you to understand the techni= calities, I=20 have only a limited ability in this area, I find the maths hard= , but then=20 I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are those in our community=  who=20 really do understand what the potential is and are working hard= to=20 realise it. 

The use of these= modes and the=20 potential benefits may be outside your interests, but have the court= esy to=20 respect that others actively wish to use the band for genuine experi= mental=20 reasons, rather that just operating. Some may not even want to have= =20 QSOs

 <= /FONT>

FWIW, I am also a= keen and=20 fairly competent cw operator, perhaps without prejudices instilled= by my=20 profession, and I am able to operate and receive weak CW within tens= of Hz of=20 other transmissions. If you are half the operator you claim to be,= you too=20 will not be severely impacted by the usage of a small segment of the= band by=20 WSPR or other machine generated transmissions. 

A good proportion&= nbsp;of my=20 operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light, is on CW, and it= has=20 netted me more DX and first countries from GM that I can remember.= However you=20 will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly on 4m and 6m as it is better= for some=20 of the propagation modes I am interested in.

I will be running= up a WSPR=20 transmitting station on 500KHz soon with luck, and will en= deavour to=20 provide the grabber and WSPR receive system, 24/7

www.dc2light.co.uk

 <= /FONT>

There is room, eve= n in the=20 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interests to be explored without= =20 significant conflict. Be happy that the band is being actively=20 used.

 <= /FONT>

You are not going= to have regular=20 QSOs with stations like me who want to experiment, as I am not often= in a=20 position to break out the key. When I do have time to operate, it is= likely to=20 be on CW, the WSPR system will be off and I hope to see you=20 there!

 

Happy New Year

Mark GM4ISM=

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 3:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb

ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Soc= ial=20 ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.= net>
This is fantastic news for th= e Appliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended= machines,=20 all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute interv= als.=20 Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.=
I am surprised it is not more= =20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activit= y was by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity= again=20 using CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations= (more than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate to= gether=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determin= ed. =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for= CW and=20 other narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use= it (not=20 UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that= it's=20 not a good idea to use this mode when the band is= open for=20 really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is= likely.=20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more= tolerant=20 and moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to= all on this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB= beacon on 508=20 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon= SM6BHZ is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the= East Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is license= d to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Sha= mbles swamped=20 by beacons.
Does anyone else have an= =20 opinion?
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA8D6D.C3DF1850-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b58302c91; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E1EF38000049; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXuVI-0004SO-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXuVI-0004SF-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXuVF-0004Uc-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:43:08 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12B57B805A for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CDE31E702 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:42:39 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11209561==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4b58302a56ae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_11209561==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org=20 web site is that a lot af data is available. I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT,=20 G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them=20 in the mill to check how often I copied at least=20 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: I took only the night time spots as I assume that=20 propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small=20 differences in distance are less important. * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger) 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics,=20 but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie=20 fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy= ) 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW=20 ERP is correct that Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ? But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a=20 more realistic) 120mW as well ... * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy) Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: >Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. > >Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX=20 >a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. > >73 > >Eddie G3ZJO > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM > >Congratulations, "water pistol" >1200km - a very comfortable margin too. > > >Andy >www.g4jnt.com > >2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> >Hello Roger, LF! >This moment is just now: > >2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 > >2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 > >Congratulation! > >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > >---------- >Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD?=20 >Dal=B9=ED informace. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database:=20 >270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 --=====================_11209561==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie, Andy, Roger, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web= site is that a lot af data is available.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied  at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Roger)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that Andy would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of Andy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )

All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:
Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
 
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
 
73
 
 Eddie G3ZJO
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM
 
Congratulations,  "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO0= 2 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je= pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.
 

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--=====================_11209561==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.206]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b60a5e8112; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:45:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5DB73800008D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEkZ-0004e3-8T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEkY-0004du-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:30 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEkW-0006NK-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:30 +0000 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so144736fxm.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+4axEeN2zV19eRpDpxsr44OiE6slqdwR8Jf5Bs/yjww=; b=L4AUEoQS4DvAnMzYUmcdu/tC12klxShgcUMgjC89SUF5rLx0oj/eqDld/qepGjCCPz axhFk8ywDkh+HUKchp6jxYqyMUJq7DtRUIRxuBBpd5drqlYRYyQ54+5WeEOYiI1kkSGn MWB33wBx0ldf/3KOLyzgPrfwGqYkNaaSF3eB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jvlVmqAcD3fN0ehRTLbxGAIPOc7iegzesxvliAIJAV82f8fq3NGM26xMhMfo+MzlmT YAK//QQTDDaZKy9TAhtu/MaMqlL6KX/fFZXHsH6285zkyijxZRlIDyU8wtFA3ZIqgqs+ t7QSSkYS0WGu0jkZZlPHeQ30hmtOa/5Dotat0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.19 with SMTP id f19mr1191934hbg.35.1264625061337; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4b60a5e64dd6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and upsets sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Andy, > > maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). > If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get > a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. > Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to > get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [ > andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Onderwerp:* LF: WSPR Reports > > Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a > just a case of being in a very quiet location... > These are pretty impressive S/N values > > > 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 > F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 > 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 > 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 > -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 > 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI > JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 > IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 > PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 > 312 > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --001485f5b10e8e1b25047e2b7724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
=A0
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting.=A0=A0= Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by= pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection proces= s, and upsets sync recovery.
=A0

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

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2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
=A0
maybe=A0the "magic&= quot; lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a=A0significant increase in= SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
=A0
73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlem= ail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
=A0
=A0
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J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.208]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-86284b5c20d83e0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:28:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97D8A38000071; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzhB-0003uD-El for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYzhA-0003u3-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:52 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzh9-0006ap-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:52 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100124102745.FHNF4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:45 +0000 Received: from [86.27.135.186] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYzh1-0004KB-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:45 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:41 -0000 Message-ID: <00b601ca9cdf$dc5330c0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acqc24Zk64oKtabwRkCbocQ4k3pmCAAA9zjA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=Xe9lXaYBuTUA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=sM9o4fZmomUROB6xvIsA:9 a=K8sqNxLVqfRUlJCRd9gA:7 a=pgCIpeIVx4VG-O_29ondPqf_-HUA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=qkV2PzlZyXVB4PRd:21 a=J3P3ZhIc4SpHAi0D:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=eeuRTDgHSEXUkVsFjD4A:9 a=fli7n8cZ8iN2qLtCti4A:7 a=dlSWpRwRI1DWetvSc_9LknY9d1UA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d04b5c20d62ecd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eddie I have a trace of your QRSS using DM780 on 503.218. Time 10.25z My locator is IO92ub. Rx. IC706mk2g Ant Inverted L 7m vertical/28m top hat radial, fed via 400uH tapped coil and impedance txfrmr On the DM780 trace you are showing as faintish yellow line but steady and visible This is of course assuming you were/are Txing at this time! With best regards Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 09:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi, Eddie. I'll put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception. 73, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 00:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Eddie

 

I have a trace= of your QRSS using DM780 on 503.218.  

 

Time 10.25z

 

My locator is= IO92ub.  

 

Rx. IC706mk2g&n= bsp;

Ant Inverted L= 7m vertical/28m top hat radial, fed via 400uH tapped coil and impedance txfrmr

 

On the DM780 tr= ace you are showing as faintish yellow line but steady and visible

 

This is of cour= se assuming you were/are Txing at this time!  

 

 

 

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 = <= /p>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:56
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE= : 500KHz Altoids MEPT on

 

Hi,= Eddie.

 

I'l= l put the proper "tee" antenna on this morning - it should improve reception.=

 

73,= Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 00:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: 50= 0KHz Altoids MEPT on

Hi= Dave

 

Tha= nks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation= but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner.<= /span>

 

I= will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200m= W .

 

73<= /span>

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: 23 January 2010= 20:39
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz= Altoids MEPT on

&nb= sp;

Well, Eddie,

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I think I saw something....= it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't grea= t on 500 kHz.

&nb= sp;

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

----= -Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010= 13:56
To: knightsqrss@cnts.be= ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Alt= oids MEPT on

I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Alt= oids size units Driver – PA – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

&nb= sp;

Frequency 503.22KHz

&nb= sp;

Modulation QRSS3 FSK

&nb= sp;

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

&nb= sp;

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts<= /span>

&nb= sp;

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical<= span lang=3DEN-GB>

&nb= sp;

ERP >=3D 1mWatt

&nb= sp;

All reports very welcome

&nb= sp;

Eddie= G3ZJO

&nb= sp;

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA9CDF.DC5330C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b864b4a41d883; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD068-b864b4a41d883; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:08:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU50i-0005WS-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU50h-0005WJ-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:43 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU50b-0004ic-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:07:43 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Jan 2010 21:07:08 -0000 Received: from p5DD347CD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.71.205] by mail.gmx.net (mp064) with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 22:07:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ntJQHi4QnZAPPsyvBBbCEHab5a73jSXsgxBlo/k zCQVuHTrgvBWTt Message-ID: <010901ca9238$dede87b0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <001901ca922a$2b2335d0$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48,0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That was me. 2009-12-19 21:44 G7NKS 0.503847 +12 -1 IO92ub 0.1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 1020 108 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: RE: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Hi Roger I have managed 1020km D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired. TF3 would be great though. 73s Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many others. For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode. It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 James Cowburn Dear LF, Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget for WSPR over a set distance? As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configuration? Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with other known signals. If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great 2010 With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.132/2611 - Ausgabedatum: 01/10/10 08:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01CA9241.378D3110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was me.
 2009-12-19 21:44   G7NKS   0.503847   +12   -1   IO92ub   0.1   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   1020   108 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 201= 0 8:21=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Link budget= calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

Hi=20 Roger

&= nbsp;

I have= managed=20 1020km  D?RAJ on my old Tx before it expired.   TF3= would be=20 great though.

&= nbsp;

73s

&= nbsp;

Jim

&= nbsp;

<= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation=20 or estimation of dist for given power on=20 WSPR

 

Certainly= GM4SLV has a much lower noise=20 floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim. I think he estimated about= 10dB lower,=20 so it may be easier for him to hear very weak signals than many=20 others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at= -18dB S/N=20 at 990kms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so= assuming=20 another 10-12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop"= under=20 favourable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot= me on a=20 good night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC= says he=20 might just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night= and he is=20 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.
It will=20 be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propa= gation=20 theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= o:p>

 Dear=20 LF,

Has anyone any=20 ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget= for WSPR=20 over a set distance?

As it seems I can=20 get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/power= setting=20 with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -30dB th= en is=20 there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculatin= g the=20 Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna=20 configuration?

Clearly, there are=20 differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the ratio= between=20 two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or es= timate at=20 least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance wit= h other=20 known signals.

If I can do 916km=20 with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaining=  8dB=20 or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has the same= capability=20 as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it fine to= factor for=20 the dB difference over known paths/signals?=

Thanks in advance=20 for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great=20 2010

With= best=20 regards

 

 

Jim<= /o:p>

 

 

Dr.= James Cowburn=20 G7NKS

E james.= cowburn@virgin.net

 

 




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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854b41c83c24e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, MGY - last legal transmission April 15th 1912 IBHE - last legal transmission Dec. 2nd 1994. So all protests of my former colleagues against amateurs on 600 mtrs become more and more reasonable to me. Sorry. HNY GL Joerg, DL3NRV > Von: "M0FMT" > Gesendet: 03.01.10 18:07:34 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? > > Hi Mal and LF > > I think (from memory) all the stations you listed were outside the > 501-504 apart from the PA station. And I am sure they were all fully > licenced station within their own respective territories. > > 73 es GL petefmt > --- On *Sun, 3/1/10, mal hamilton * wrote: > > From: mal hamilton > Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 16:35 > > WHY so much fuss about this station PA0A, what about all the acty > over XMAS and NEW YEAR IE > MGY, PAT, IBHE, TEST XMAS, and others. Are these legal or otherwise? > g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-a374b4e82902e9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:34:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG101-a374b4e82902e9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFVw-0006Rg-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVFVw-0006RX-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:48 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVFVt-0005C1-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 1071 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=IbVw4Q7/0q3K89N9V4ahJngC6N8jS/B2zmMbktySrGxUvUamD08gcevXsBScjgDliGRs81hvGN4Z6AtuRhLnuSc52BliDNrTIJHc8SpNoMzQ/SVHjV6auKZDpJ+bkUrsUPKRSC06zFxfuv5kgT6Hl/8XhrHRC4gG+198ebBuvro= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: xJrKS.UVM1mlgGcCb7IIEQa7i1sNzGlr3IW0Nr6tBJq8lRwOxAbqj_5DcpGkCKrPgruRxJ7OV2o8f9LT_1zHkB6JZ_VNn4ePKDREnB0KZy7RXNEBXR0JzFRs6jFJZpv90d2QWnh8Mm8HpZI7se.uzghLAGNCIdBJYbqOLblCHiEEwJ5pnuw0ad4QFw9uMpnsZLib3HZY3w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqUwdbfmFTTZTkXQNiZJWLsdGDb4Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/29 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the grid and await the call. 02:20 503950 -31 <...> EN91QU 33 73, Lee M0LMH IO93gx. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA94C1.D7969750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE081-5ebe4b4b815793; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:51:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C051538000235; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQHv-0005Mm-G1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQHv-0005Md-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQHs-0000YF-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0BJoeVE016449 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:40 -0500 Received: from KKorn42@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c63.5e7cb34e (43895) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.2]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC058-d3864b4b80fbac; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:36 -0500 Received: from magic-m05.mail.aol.com (magic-m05.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.76]) by smtprly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC026-d3864b4b80fbac; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:19 -0500 From: kkorn42@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5024 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 92.227.83.219 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: KKorn42@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b4b81546443 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this musical background) you should also state the end of this song! You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you? 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this= musical=20 background) you should also state the end of this song!
You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you?
73
de
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 --part1_c036.7e5a806f.387cdafb_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b45da28145; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:57:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9210F38000102; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSru7-0001xT-II for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSru7-0001xK-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSru5-0007IJ-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:55 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so12210567pwj.4 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:55:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IODZi6dMveQzyN0vG5J+4sTkGrpOVBpD6bxCVmindWk=; b=rOtqm0H6Oa6qWqcnIdqPT+OZIdvvItzSMzS5umEumddlLU0UyIZyaB/Vj/VHkA+2vC tI9iNRdHH7GlWoA09VPhzIlXE7Q1uNXtpbgcODdS9Rj/XK0cbHFLwFVSlRqh77JGl0nL S4VB9SjiZnvCGywco0BjLGsef46mdjhg8U5yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cJUlTEnFs6ws51M2SfMRyg/VP2Ws1bQ/F5noxVdeVqfcYB3npwJgNDQvAQpw1gwZWE yVnlSLPhOhaYlxNtoT7AzgS14iL+R7fc+c8P3uzQmnUf4DK3hXHiQkTACOcLn2lSNH2+ yPGq/z5s1Fgfm7G9PfL+gEhz98TNFttMZEF2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.16 with SMTP id b16mr9432406rvn.96.1262868944942; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:55:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> <003501ca8f89$f747f4a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <7AB4D2490C1A4339AEE8BD7A1DFB5197@JimPC> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:55:44 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ef5e125415134080 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001070455s62bcc5e5wb675694ea9b4d312@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b45da2636de X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Jim & Group, Perhaps it was just as simple as the 12th Day Of Christmas (6th January). The signal was strong enough to be local. Too much to expect that it was some rare DX. Probably one of the usual Xmas or NY beaconers with a seasonal sense of humour. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/7 James Moritz > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the actual > "12th test" message probably just means something between the 11th test and > the 13th test ;-) > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > MF grp >> This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to >> some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if >> someone >> thinks it is NE from EU. >> > > > --000325561462dc7557047c9296a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Jim & Group,

Perhaps it was just as simple as= the 12th Day Of Christmas (6th January).

The sig= nal was strong enough to be local. Too much to expect that it was some rar= e DX. Probably one of the usual Xmas or NY beaconers with a seasonal sense= of humour.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/7 James Moritz <james.mo= ritz@btopenworld.com>
Dear Mal, LF Group,

If the message was "test de 12th" I might agree, but I think the= actual "12th test" message probably just means something betwee= n the 11th test and the 13th test ;-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS


MF grp
This 12 prefix is allocated to some Islands around the Yemen according to<= br> some 3rd part info heard on 80 metres. It could be a /MM station if someon= e
thinks it is NE from EU.



--000325561462dc7557047c9296a2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b637ac33e4; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:18:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61C53380000F7; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb10i-0000RX-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb10h-0000RO-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:23 +0000 Received: from web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.143]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb10e-0004yU-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 32665 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264810574; bh=Odg57IdNAN2cmDcLU/9BqZxQToqPXLIHd42jfTl68n4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iiGn7ly3vLqqc5kl7oW5duhk0v1PAzC6pP6ubuCpiojYRrqey4SRfwa/+AW0Rdc+aj5Jw3MkEPy8K+CFqw9zLSt5LWxaewBCNuplFfilHGbuTNdTK3HZZxFRShM2ml0fr9n4GhKxZEKU0OEUwDREfarWhtpgYQLGPZzKpYpmD3Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EZP6JSHt29zxMjKFnIcBtsIi4TpCllgliH/Uqlz1KE/NOEtRMSRcWZvpROclVTnnc3GX+vcHp7pLymNmWPZorokmvteOvSgC6F2Lpb1tsftPl5xrVSK/CBlxq6uyfw2S0dTuebgdt+3EduK7nhydGsp0MWd28Cmm9JKBqR2PPdY=; Message-ID: <898423.27136.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Sur.EKUVM1mMTIjd4._r1o7jNYzTYhMcdMbPYIfx5Vooz8pqJSjBgFlJLbXlMQ5OtkNJ0q4MmIA8i.WujeawLluvwFm_WIXb5HO.pnC4U..lerns4wrsKbOrdSP.tHeOVJn.mdG8gRFjvUEV0Wz.sBoWpnVcV9Jnt2fLRQhNqP7Y4xCBkOjmBqdlgsckSfoSE3wAURrXppWgQZvHA1tj_PNm9n2QXQaIwYFZRdnIkUhQ.FvTbd9PeDTJGJGoGFUvVkqA5Odypk9Gyx5opdLtB__ATri.k_HP Received: from [81.151.210.32] by web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:16:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_COMMENT=0.294,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: YXM 136.3193 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-269381576-1264810574=:27136" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b637ac26924 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-269381576-1264810574=:27136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I'd join in! Dave G3YXM IO92bk --0-269381576-1264810574=:27136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Dave G3YXM IO92bk
--0-269381576-1264810574=:27136-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54b648b4220; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:40:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 46E7A380000E3; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJAF-0003jQ-0d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbJAE-0003jH-Ls for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:26 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbJAC-0002ma-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 50808 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1264880358; bh=muM7sp5tofTNVOUyHrNBOHCVEx+5/gV9xyTzcCZ3Tok=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hKBJvig70HaDLKXNwtWRn37IKtxGBj0BDWC5cbOtYV+/Z6ejKYdTS+EQHdtam6nu6x96bvFc/t54/Vn/ofHI1d6Kz6JMK8/OpJGXOg5SAIz4MKsWWAnDrJHiTYtbpD0Wcp+82dzWh88fCViiD/aAGxGhb7NDn9D+PyxRgY0r+MQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E3osNcEch6X1pUx/DI70DckuwVjuIjO5wj0havl1Ma05rnzleolZo5f/XhvaDizkfpdQ7MXc9qYWQ+k3VipB0fQHsSkcz0w9OjVkit3op/MJ6038DA4peAIpTsOEdm5NGSVhFhCFomHszOtIFy8Aap8UB5KMJub1Ru0+Fzzy32o=; Message-ID: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OIqoh4UVM1k8ZmBQeCDz_MvYpyaCgQfy0RHVq_re4qW_lHqKTDVJUu.oeuWGtKJfiFuN46tpxrGC7p8wrWKfi0sfY4MdnyyhWTIN3na0VA_imSCUm4ozSGDr6ACI8PVUi1pNQfUHwtiSFgHZQHs5Yh1OMZvzAxITJsCMT3z5OtfsHIdl.qJmQ5FkRpYH1rNNsm9i797uYNv9X3kk3emT22Kku_S2ZCCD9XXB2sLDBlCgWhI.4M00VpTYirs4DyCVAQ6pxbmWD9XfWTwBkj26c_l.Zw2w2aom_am6tk3ejOcOENj3cdbdXvFG_JIX2xwX9ksByDmMrAh6qg40wj6sFwZmKpCJtn9nuSg- Received: from [213.122.1.75] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:39:18 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ABF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b648b411f6b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) > =20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. > =20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. > =20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. But the setup is already working vy fine! > =20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5ba4b5a2a4053; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:44:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG041-5ba4b5a2a4053; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:44:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSDd-0004Lo-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYSDc-0004Lf-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYSDZ-0008BU-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:43:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1501966bwz.4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:42:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xmYRE5ylIOkY9XKjrfpGKiSTxTWtIAFyYgoGHG+tFos=; b=gVY8wh32fEfBQwzM/neFGKBNE3UjXWEaCEOpbwg0a4Db7HA9lAiPSVFf/yyu0LT8pN jDvjPRaqLF17mxcWA+iXfQWD/g0+PTSuzDSewvG/9B0Wd7sUBb3ed/2CrJPZajX2tEQl 8+DJ42uzi0lupR82SEcyMTDedoDjfRKtoP9TY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Mh9b+4vXY9f35Iu3KFYyjeXmraF1f3YwTfwWrCWh+xQA5OwJ+5WhkfaMrN8i8hq+mq qBLY4NCozKmqRn/qQpjAqkN5yGZbK802MC+c3chIJU2oMfIKd4JYuGUaVI+lC/A4sRjK t6bibeb1L1yZNJuEACqUKwiCyHsdzWkQur4JI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.18.16 with SMTP id u16mr2058121bka.72.1264200178558; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:42:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:42:57 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001221442s1c63ef58u4f578f19d5ee37ef@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555843a917238047dc88a06 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m217.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555843a917238047dc88a06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is a mode I shall have to try next! I did not get any decodes earlier in the week when I tried, so I need to experiment to see what has to be adjusted. BTW, my WSPR beacon will *not* be on overnight tonight. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT > Rik, > > Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. > > If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, right > click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth > to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal > first. That will exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting > indicated by the red marker line on the scale at the top. > > Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon catch on > :-)) > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > >> Gary, >> >> OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). >> But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. >> I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good >> value would be 20 or more). >> Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the >> trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.) >> most of the time it is still decoding Jim. >> Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) as >> Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >> >> Rik, >>> >>> That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. >>> >>> 73, Gary - G4WGT >>> >>> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >>> >>> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >>> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >>> Sync = 9 >>> dB = -2 >>> DT = 0.0 >>> DF = -107 >>> W = 33 >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> Quoting Rik Strobbe >> Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>>: >>> >>> Hello Gary, Jim, >>> >>> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >>> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >>> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >>> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >>> M0BMU". >>> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >>> manual, so it is intuitive use. >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >>> >>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >>> >>> LF, >>> >>> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >>> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >>> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >>> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >>> >>> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555843a917238047dc88a06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a mode I shall have to try next! I did not get any decodes earlier= in the week when I tried, so I need to experiment to see what has to be= adjusted.

BTW, my WSPR beacon will not be on overnight ton= ight.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/22 Gary -= G4WGT <g4wgt@= tiscali.co.uk>
Rik,

Thanks for the report & pleased you are gettin= g decodes now.

If you click the mouse on the &quo= t;Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down &am= p; click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandp= ass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will= exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by= the red marker line on the scale at the top.

Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but yo= u will soon catch on :-))

=
73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be><= /span>
Gary,

OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail).
But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy.
I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good valu= e would be 20 or more).
Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the= trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.= ) most of the time it is still decoding Jim.
Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value= (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>>

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =A0figu= res WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuv= en.be>>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

















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--00032555843a917238047dc88a06-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG081-a1f4b4a33a8262; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:08:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b4a33a8262; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:08:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU44G-00051y-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU44G-00051p-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU44E-0004O5-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:20 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13506299bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:07:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OH6T8NBXgTwsu+gSll6VB2nZHJXoqNn+u9Oepr/62zk=; b=wzv/qcGQXW99hJVb8cEoigFW9jb7zeM7Vj+ywKNHGItIzydw87xlgnpOScX/7b4JWc wa/ip8j5oS9asYgdwQpjyBRushdEYhSgYvZUYkzH9uPZ/CCqIRzOvGM0rNf7cbWteioK 4RTw8szElYQWzj1ZKPn5leHJ9BAY9mg/b8gn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XqTcuqxZ/0R24JaAOKydhTsrv7eIpC0QfBatU4POc6P3afMwa9GGZ6ojcOSVufe0yJ 8tvAu6oWyRbxnAQrZEs0N6LA7m7Aoog7QZhxi7uxMCDCpoliT1tNRb9U9wfgvalQnppT wpLnkPorQjRYUlms65EXeeRO7Nhpjubehfb+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.35.139 with SMTP id p11mr2654344bkd.178.1263154031233; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:07:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101207h50771441vcf080fe7857f81b8@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: The power of WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d272.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As an illustration of why I am so "sold" on WSPR, take this example from a few minutes ago when a single transmission burst with my ultra-tiny 1mW ERP station resulted in no less than 8 simultaneous reports from around Western Europe. This sort of report tells me a great deal. WSPR is an *extremely*useful mode! TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGridPwrReporterRGridkmaz 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -18 0 JO02dg 0.001 M0BMU IO91vr 69 210 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 G3JKV IO91uf 123 199 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -23 1 JO02dg 0.001 DL-SWL JO52hp 701 83 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503919 -19 0 JO02dg 0.001 G7NKS IO92ub 46 240 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -26 0 JO02dg 0.001 GM4SLV IP90gg 896 354 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -24 0 JO02dg 0.001 OR7T JO20ix 337 113 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503921 -21 0 JO02dg 0.001 G0KTN IO81ti 210 242 2010-01-10 19:50 G3XBM 0.503920 -19 1 JO02dg 0.001 M0LMH IO93gx 223 329 73s Roger G3XBM http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b1b2540ad9047cd4f788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an illustration of why I am so "sold" on WSPR, take this exam= ple from a few minutes ago when a single transmission burst with my ultra-= tiny 1mW ERP station resulted in no less than 8 simultaneous reports from= around Western Europe. This sort of report tells me a great deal. WSPR is= an extremely useful mode!

TimestampCallMHzSNRDriftGrid PwrReporterRGridkmaz
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-18=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0M0BMU= =A0=A0IO91vr=A0 =A069=A0=A0210=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-24=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G3JKV= =A0=A0IO91uf=A0 =A0123=A0=A0199=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-23=A0 =A01=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0DL-SW= L=A0 =A0JO52hp=A0=A0701=A0=A083=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503919=A0=A0-19=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G7NKS= =A0=A0IO92ub=A0 =A046=A0=A0240=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-26=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0GM4SL= V=A0 =A0IP90gg=A0=A0896=A0=A0354=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-24=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0OR7T= =A0=A0JO20ix=A0 =A0337=A0=A0113=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503921=A0=A0-21=A0 =A00=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0G0KTN= =A0=A0IO81ti=A0 =A0210=A0=A0242=A0
=A02010-01-10 19:50=A0=A0G3XBM=A0=A00.503920=A0=A0-19=A0 =A01=A0=A0JO02dg=A0=A00.001=A0=A0M0LMH= =A0=A0IO93gx=A0 =A0223=A0=A0329=A0

73s
Roger G3XBM

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I can only get a couple= of volts into a 50ohm load mal/g3kiev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Will do! I am getting several decodes of your "G4WGT QRZ" call all= at around -15dB. There is another occasional signal on evens but no= t decoding =20 I am running 10W from ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and= 30m top hat). I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around 0.5% to= 1% eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW. =20 =20 With best regards =20 Jim =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A =20 Jim, =20 Thanks, getting a weak very trace & the decoder is indicating a sign= al sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB may bring you up. =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 2010/1/27 James Cowburn Hi Gary =20 Just got two decodes of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118. =20 I have replied with my call and locator on odd minute txing With best regards =20 Jim Dr. James Cowburn E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any comp= uter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 27 January 2010 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A =20 Rik, & Andy, =20 Thanks for your report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's query. =20 Well there has not been any response to my CQ call so I will change= the text to beacon & continue to see if there is a report from furthe= r afield. =20 If you want to try for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a sh= ort period say 30 minutes, my power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the= moment so in view of your good report I could take it down to 10 watt= s RF. =20 Let me know. =20 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo 2010/1/27 Andy Talbot -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous= to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regi= ons 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe =20 Gary, =20 solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding= ? =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A LF,=20 =20 Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300= kHz USB. =20 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CAA006.82D7A920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim
How do u get 10w out from the 706 on= 500 kcs. I can=20 only get a couple of volts into a 50ohm load
mal/g3kiev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27,= 2010 9:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz= JT4A

Will= do!  =20 I am getting several decodes of your =93G4WGT QRZ=94 call all at aro= und -15dB.=20   There is another occasional signal on evens but not=20 decoding

&= nbsp;

I am= running 10W from=20 ICOM 706 mk2G into inverted L (6m vertical and 30m top hat).=20    I am assuming (ex Vertload/Tophat2) around = 0.5% to 1%=20 eff so ERP between 50mw and 100mW.

&= nbsp;

 =

With= best=20 regards

 =

Jim

 

From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Gary -= =20 G4WGT
Sent: 27 Ja= nuary 2010=20 21:44
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz=20 JT4A

 

Jim,

 

Thanks, getting a weak very trace &= the decoder is=20 indicating a signal sync but hardly visible, please keep trying, QSB= may bring=20 you up.

 

Gary - G4WGT.<= /P>

 

2010/1/27 James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net><= o:p>

Hi=20 Gary

 = ;

Just= got two decodes=20 of you at -12dB and -15dB 2116 and 2118.

 = ;

I hav= e replied with=20 my call and locator on odd minute txing

With= best=20 regards

 

Jim<= /o:p>

 Dr. James=20 Cowburn

E james.= cowburn@virgin.net

&= nbsp;

= The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you are=20 not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must no= t read=20 this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other= use of, or=20 taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities=20 other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently,= this=20 email is not intended to be contractually binding.
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<= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Gary - G4= WGT
Sent: 27 Ja= nuary 2010 21:03
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz=20 JT4A

 

Rik, &=20 Andy,

 

Thanks for your=20 report & comments & Andy for answering Rik's=20 query.

 

Well there has not=20 been any response to my CQ call so I will change the text to beacon= &=20 continue to see if there is a report from further=20 afield.

 

If you want to try=20 for a weak decode I can reduce the power for a short period say 30= minutes, my=20 power is 50 watt RF (200 mW ERP) at the moment so in view of your go= od report=20 I could take it down to 10 watts RF.

 

Let me=20 know.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83qo

2010/1/27 Andy=20 Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>

-24dB S/N (2.5kHz=20 )  is usually guaranteed


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been= scanned for=20 damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed= to=20 contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dis= solving=20 the nether and polar regions

2010/1/27 Rik=20 Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

 =

Gary,

 =

solid=20 copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB.

But=20 the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair=20 copy.

Any=20 idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding=20 ?

 =

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] na= mens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010= =20 20:33
Aan:=20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp:=20 LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

 =

Running JT4A=20 this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz=20 USB.

 =

73, Gary - G4WGT=20 -=20 IO83qo

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CAA006.82D7A920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME083-9cf4b410b4822b; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME083-9cf4b410b4822b; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:25:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXw3-0006Cc-MP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRXw3-0006CT-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRXw2-0006YD-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:24:27 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o03LOAIa001245 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:10 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cbb.46e13c39 (34942) for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA053-5c3e4b410af313; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:24:05 -0500 Received: from magic-m12.mail.aol.com (magic-m12.mail.aol.com [172.21.145.214]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB034-5c3e4b410af313; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:24:04 -0500 From: f4dtl@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:24:03 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 77.201.223.189 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Chris,dave=20 =20 Yes DTL =3D F4DTL. =20 Good evening.... F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 03/01/2010 21:20:41 Paris, Madrid, =20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com a =E9crit : Station sending 'DTL' over and over again in QRSS60 very strong here on= =20 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station approx. 1Hz lower not identif= ied=20 yet.=20 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, JO01MI. =20 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Hello Chris,dave
 
Yes DTL =3D F4DTL.
 
Good evening....
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 03/01/2010 21:20:41 Paris, Madrid,=20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com a =E9crit :
Station sending 'DTL' over and over aga= in in=20 QRSS60 very strong here on 136kHz this evening. Another weaker station= approx.=20 1Hz lower not identified yet. 
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 JO01MI.
 
 --part1_cf2e.3a1a66ed.387264f3_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5dc4b4605b23ae; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:03:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG075-5dc4b4605b23ae; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:03:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSung-0002a2-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSung-0002Zr-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSune-00006i-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 79399 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 16:01:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HJIF38XDiXCxmoTEiRO6y5e1uRadpj9tH7NTpEC8PZ0kgh8qCYTW+XKAl8ia6hVj7atUG+djATFMqiPZjuryIzpdj3Q/znAyB/Zjul4JvWYSbFRTAdfzxxrGPFLqhKXCgBVipg71ARWsExLI3kkB2DKByQX77fkRztJ7z/FfY9Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 16:01:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: JhjpFbQVM1m3q6atYELJxeZy0XC0rNEFFG6XYOFJ4HgGJ5htTPtOT69sTYUVcoHWZsaF1Iz2fSxgFLvwWjxI0jBoORaw1v3F2crebAM0tjZb50I_erDp9v8NGAPVg_diM08OAQboCGTrvNDWpg1PTm.8Hqu3bZZhMdxG24QTKTGRJqU_TLFojY2JHqUforsl.NNXQh3RKGGVutu_KO2hAkHvGs6DEgPTyjADW6MrUfqmKA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:01:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPR reception at M0BMU Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I have been running a dedicated WSPR receiver and PC more or less full time for the past few weeks on 502.4kHz "dial frequency" (other frequencies possible if requested), with loggings uploaded to the WSPRnet database. It is good to see there have recently been a few new countries QRV in WSPR mode, including EI6IZ, LA3EQ/P and PA3FNY. Some info for stations looking at their spots in the database - The 500kHz receive antenna here is currently a phased vertical/loop combination which is necessary to reject local QRM. It produces a single deep null on a bearing of about 90degrees from here. The directional pattern only makes a few dB difference to signals from most directions, but obviously signals coming from the east , e.g. from ON, PA, DL, are heavily attenuated and will show low values of SNR as a result. An omnidirectional antenna would be preferable from the propagation study point of view, but unfortunately the noise level would be increased by at least 20dB, and many of the weaker signals would then be undetectable. So this seems the best option at the moment. The WSPR receiver is an RA1792 with an old 400MHz laptop. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b58660136c; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:34:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0396380000FD; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXy6B-0005hu-S6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXy6B-0005hl-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXy69-0006Dx-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:27 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcNALH0V0tUDZoT/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYc2vFYIjB2CRgiBbgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,317,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280862046" Received: from host-84-13-154-19.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.154.19]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2010 14:33:17 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9aa6$ac0b49b0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9AA6.AC0B49B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b5865fe3c42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9AA6.AC0B49B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik =20 Thanks for looking up that information and sharing it. It is so good when the figures work out logically. I have been careful not to make excessive claims of my ERP as has Roger. I try to take account of any slight improvements I make. A good thing because any silly claims woul= d have been blown out of the water by the actual figures. =20 There is one more comparison, that of my ERP against G4JNT. Andy averages 23dB more than me; his ERP is stated as 0.2W, 30dB more than mine. This discrepancy is in the same direction as the JNT =96 XBM example, we need that 6dB standard dev again. =20 Interestingly the RF at 50ohm difference G4JNT 100Watts, G3ZJO 1Watt= is 20dB. I would fully expect my antenna to be 10dB worse than Andy=92s. =20 Most interesting. =20 73 =20 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 21 January 2010 10:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs =20 Eddie, Andy, Roger, all, the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af data is available. I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied at least 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot: I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important. * G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Rog= er) 6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference= of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200uW =3D 7dB) * G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of Andy) 15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ? But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as well ... * G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of An= dy) Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) ) All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote: Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! 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Thanks for loo= king up that information and sharing it. It is so good when the figures work out logically. I have= been careful not to make excessive claims of my ERP as has Roger. I try to take acc= ount of any slight improvements I make. A good thing because any silly claims= would have been blown out of the water by the actual figures.<= /p>

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There is one= more comparison, that of my ERP against G4JNT. Andy averages 23dB more than me; his ERP is stated= as 0.2W, 30dB more than mine. This discrepancy is in the same direction as the= JNT – XBM example, we need that 6dB standard dev again.

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Interestingly= the RF at 50ohm difference G4JNT 100Watts, G3ZJO 1Watt is 20dB. I would fully expect my antenna to be= 10dB worse than Andy’s.

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Most interesti= ng.

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73 =A0=A0=A0

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Eddie= G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of = Rik Strobbe
Sent: 21 January 2010= 10:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: about guns= , water pistols and dripping tabs

 

Eddie, Andy, Rog= er, all,

the nice thing about WSPR and the www.wspr.org web site is that a lot af data is avai= lable.
I copied the my spots (past 7 days) of G4JNT, G3XBM and G3ZJO from the= web site and threw them in the mill to check how often I copied  at least= 2 of the 3 calls in the same time slot:
I took only the night time spots as I assume that propagation then is= 1 hop ionospheric and small differences in distance are less important.

* G3XBM - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 8dB (in favor of Rog= er)
6 data sets is a bit low to to proper statistics, but the difference= of 8dB between Roger and Eddie fits well into the claimed ERP's (1mW and 200u= W =3D 7dB)

* G4JNT - G3XBM : 60 'hits', average difference =3D 15dB (in favor of= Andy)
15dB difference would mean that if Roger's 1mW ERP is correct that And= y would run "only" 30mW ERP ?
But the standard dev. is 6dB, so it could be (a more realistic) 120mW= as well ...

* G4JNT - G3ZJO: 6 'hits', average difference =3D 23dB (in favor of An= dy)
Nice, this is the sum of the previous values (as iit should be ;-) )
All values are give or take some dB, but they seem to make sense.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 23:14 20/01/2010, you wrote:

Yeh ! Congratulations Roger.
 
Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..
 
73
 
Eddie G3ZJO
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= br>  
Congratulations,  "water pistol"
1200km - a very comfortable margin too.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbo= b@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5 &nb= sp; 0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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That's higher than our local church tower :-)) Having said that I guess in the USA there will be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna would only take up a corner of a garden. For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el beam antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZcjqltJVA. Maybe they'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz? Best 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/14 mal hamilton > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, at > a modest height around 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a19a6714dc047d2278e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal (et al)

Modest height 100ft? That's higher than our local= church tower :-))

Having said that I guess in the USA there will= be those for whom this is indeed a modest height and a 300m long antenna= would only take up a corner of a garden.

For other big antennas, see also the video of the monster 160m 3el bea= m antenna at OH8X being rotated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCZcjqltJVA. Maybe th= ey'll soon be putting up one for 500kHz?

Best 73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/1= 4 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Hi
Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wav= e dipole on=20 500 K/cs? inv V design, at a modest height around 100 ft.
de mal/g3kev
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--00032555a19a6714dc047d2278e7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG014-5ee4b50cd903e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b50cd903e6; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVsbR-0005ry-F9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVsbQ-0005rp-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVsbO-0006LH-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:17:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak4FAAtcUEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACCFdhHhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,284,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299316927" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 20:16:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00b501ca961f$a367c580$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005201ca9614$d4238390$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:16:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALIAS DFCW it has being used here for years de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hi Dave I can't remember if it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second= Dashes. Dashes above a centre line, Dots below, Space on the centre= line. In a way the 9 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly= since it can break up and appear to be 2 Dots. Likewise the inter unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse= which climbs in frequency for each Dash and descends for each Dot. Th= is in turn is wasteful of bandwidth and difficult to read. Which lead= me to develop Step Morse which steps up and down above the centre lin= e for a Dash and below the line for a Dot. As far as I know this has been very little used, however, blow me th= e Bloodhound read it allJ=20 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 15 January 2010 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3 Hello Eddie Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with equal Dot and= Dash lengths" ? Dave. G3YXM 2010/1/15 g3zjo LF Group Yesterday I increased my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand= my coverage, maybe the QRPp 13uW ERP has reached its limits. --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date:= 01/15/10 07:35:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ALIAS DFCW it has being used her= e for=20 years
de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Friday, January 15, 201= 0 6:59=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: 500KHz-WSPR-= QRSS3

Hi=20 Dave

 

I can= =92t remember if=20 it has an official term, 3 second Dots, 3 second Dashes. Dashes abov= e a centre=20 line, Dots below, Space on the centre line.

 

In a= way the 9=20 seconds for a Dash in QRSS3 is wasteful, particularly since it can= break up=20 and appear to be 2 Dots.

 

Likewi= se the inter=20 unit space is wasteful, this lead to Castle Morse which climbs in fr= equency=20 for each Dash and descends for each Dot. This in turn is wasteful of= bandwidth=20 and difficult to read.  Which lead me to develop Step Morse whi= ch steps=20 up and down above the centre line for a Dash and below the line for= a=20 Dot.

As far= as I know this=20 has been very little used, however, blow me the Bloodhound read it= =20 allJ<= /SPAN>

 

Eddie

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Dave=20 Pick
Sent: 15 Jan= uary 2010=20 16:51
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF:=20 500KHz-WSPR-QRSS3

 

= Hello=20 Eddie

Very interesting tests but what is "3 level QRSS3 with=20 equal Dot and Dash lengths" ?

Dave. G3YXM

2010/1/15 g3z= jo <g3zjo@npton.plus.co= m>

LF=20 Group

 

Yesterday I increased=20 my TX power on 500KHz by 10dB so as to expand my coverage, maybe the= QRPp 13uW=20 ERP has reached its limits.

 



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------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CA961F.A33A73F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5ebb4b4b6dae3a2; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A7B03800015F; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOyj-0004wz-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOyj-0004wq-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.34]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOyh-0008Ph-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0BIQgGm090711 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:26:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:26:37 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: PA to ALS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b4b6dac551a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Albert, Congratulations on this major achievement. Maybe your signal will get to Japan as well. If anybody there should be able to listen early in our evening. Could you please tell us what kind of antenna you are using and the power involved for your WSPR transmissions? Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-862a4b60afd684; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 143893800019B; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFPc-0005QC-9L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaFPb-0005Q2-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:55 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaFPZ-0006uL-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:26:55 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C474051C003 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.12]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54AAF3862 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.12]) with mapi; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:26:42 +0100 Thread-Topic: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Thread-Index: Acqfkl/WM5oaYw4eTymcmExnrJ45LQABEMXY Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b60afd22b51 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, I am using a Kenwood TS440 where the AGC cannot be disabled. Strong signal= s and/or QRM-QRN ofter affect the AGC, but far less at 270Hz bandwidth. Maybe the AGC action affects on the reported SNR values. I believe that Andy (F6CNI) also is on the reflector, so he might reveal= the secret. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a 1.46H= z noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports upon. Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. Its most= likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted by pulsed non= -gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection process, and upse= ts sync recovery. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a sig= nificant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to= get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a ju= st a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub = +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv = +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de = +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy,<= /font>
 
I am using a Kenwood TS4= 40 where the AGC cannot be disabled. Strong signals and/or QRM-QRN ofter= affect the AGC, but far less at 270Hz bandwidth.
Maybe the AGC action&nbs= p;affects on the reported SNR values.
 
I believe that Andy (F6C= NI) also is on the reflector, so he might reveal the secret.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
 
 
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@= googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:44
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: WSPR Reports

All the critical filtering is done in the software, and results in a= 1.46Hz noise bandwidth - which is what the software measures and reports= upon.
 
Your observation that a narrower IF bandwidth is interesting. &n= bsp; Its most likely based on the fact that typical signals are corrupted= by pulsed non-gaussian noise which upsets the frequency bin detection pro= cess, and upsets sync recovery.
 

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health,= but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Andy,<= /font>
 
maybe the "mag= ic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase= in SNR values reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode),= that rises by almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Ta= lbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.c= om]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 

--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C1284D4B32AICTSSEXC2CAlu_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.95]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC054-a96a4b5b078b3cf; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AA17F38000117; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgxI-0005cn-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgxI-0005ce-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgxB-0003dg-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:27:16 +0000 Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so297527fxm.29 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gTLkI0E+wlLZTBXeFqF63zHc+ygzx8risUS9EsZ2qwU=; b=oQUIepvVRVZmX//dP7/6B43K3PcXcYJUC2Akyz0qc7Ij0NHQfXs7JRC7HTQfpvmM/9 dUAjNKSCdE8GcvRprnewt4aisikbM0OmR6isd8FLTFYqZpEO7JJUKq8HaOrtc3DP0RcJ YQ6tl7ud4oaVHhtJhjXmFRPRE9O8so+9XJKsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=snIpIU6bHK9vdWrQXV4BnDJ529hWWoorJaXYTxDGerW7Ql+nrXLBdeSlAxvih/P/+I lqxOIkLzxJPZFYtEkYxbbp1ltrjPOi2r4nD2w7J9VnMDZgIwSfZGGYqHrtBpVxOkL3X/ v0HJZ0NE9cF/hUnyAaS57mEN6sgBLIg510HQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.74 with SMTP id t10mr462224hbg.85.1264256817659; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:26:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:26:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605f4b5b07893732 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A > in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have > managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. > > Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or > something similar that I might understand, please? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > --001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
=A0
=A0
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
=A0
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
=A0
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz fro= m central Scotland ht= tp://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html=A0 Other will follow before lon= g as it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided= accurate timing information is available to keep it synched.=A0=A0
=A0
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@= gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked on the WSJT webs= ite there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the help files. I assume= it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to receive in the= past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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=
http://g3xbm-= qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088

--001485f7c15085801c047dd5ba29-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.213]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-a21f4b6337c41d9; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:32:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D95B38000224; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NawY2-0007wA-Dc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NawY2-0007w1-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NawY1-0003Ir-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100129193023.CKUA4474.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100129193023.CSGS13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:23 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:30:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B633749.12700.11FE6C2@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gX2mFmkG4-teuEUwUY8A:9 a=_19iQvCbkT7TLQSgyMDnO3Bl0iYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: XDV 136.32 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54b6337c26dbc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz from 1930UTC tonight to around 0900 tomorrow morning. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-91c4b4259c7326; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:12:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD084-91c4b4259c7326; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuD7-0001sk-Ta for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuD7-0001sb-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuD5-00050I-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from UMS02-SMTP1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o04LBP3a021581 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:11:25 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:11:18 Message-ID: <06A407DA0104150B122F4@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Who? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Chris, yes its me. the callsign in full length goes with the transmission. the qrg is 136,31896x kHz. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: c.ashby435@btinternet.com To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 04.01.2010 21:05:07 Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? Chris, G4AYT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-90b4b4db12e15e; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:40:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b4b4db12e15e; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:40:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV1Ys-0003Cz-9D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV1Yr-0003Cq-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV1Yp-0007Vb-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAN8/TUtOki2u/2dsb2JhbACNXAbIRoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,267,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="292243481" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.146.45.174]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 11:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca9444$ed415810$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:38:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DECCA 5501 tx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if the series L and C was tuned for resonance at the= operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimum switching characte= ristics like in class E mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know if the series L and= C was tuned=20 for resonance at the operating freq or meant to be adjusted for optimu= m=20 switching characteristics like in class E
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA9444.ED05D5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b437a469e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:43:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D9F7380001B3; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSDPo-00044p-UO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSDPo-00044g-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSDPl-0002Wm-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so10554717bwz.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:41:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lsCFCxIUkDBmQQKEawwvsP0p6oqytNqqQmAerFV3aRI=; b=soioxmOCJw8tDZyDWZSo7E/Mk8lV9TKZk0Fd1Cb51hiOtJWI3cwJ4mCn5bakvP7j08 WINThFUDRTwU/EWtTV0ROrLKa7p36DV7D6lhzbDmY9k5zdM/8pKeUN8//o2dkesuFvaY rkaklIOxfCgQaNnI9yfDiUX1NVafZK6BFHfcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wdi6Hxr0yn0LDxGpUeJE8b2yxcUBUOKMptD4rfLZbqTHkXaFqaHV3lvNFC0KuED95v 6Ig1SW3X1U16kV+jkeUS4VUv359FtWnSHAzhd98Sxpq5CRqSSxIETC0jy/wWVVzDjWLO AWOOw71b9R44XxJ0PY9PviXQnh0szssS9+mgc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.4.215 with SMTP id 23mr3361494bks.160.1262713306555; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:41:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <1569989546@web.de> <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4b437a442c86 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good.. 73s Roger 2010/1/4 mal hamilton > Chris > QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120, 240 > and > 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hits the > whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish > Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? > I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongoli= a > !! > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > > Hi Horst, > > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hard= ly > a > > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth time > beats > > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not= be > on > > this site? > > Chris, G4AYT. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, for > > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or > other > > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio is wo= rse > > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Tha= ts > > part of the game . . . > > Horst > > > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: "Chris" > > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every so > > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand > > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to save > > > time). > > > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's go= od..

73s
Roger

2010/1/4 mal= hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Chris
QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120, 240= and
480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF =A0when =A0QSB hits th= e
whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish
Still some insist so what can one do ????????????????
I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mongolia= !!
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <c= .ashby435@btinternet.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:1= 0 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns


> Hi Horst,
> I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is= hardly a
> problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth= time beats
> me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who ma= y not be
on
> this site?
> Chris, G4AYT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Horst St=F6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns
>
>
> Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS3, fo= r
> example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS3 or= other
> "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N= ratio is worse
> not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Th= ats
> part of the game . . .
> Horst
>
> .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
> > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13
> > An: "RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Betreff: LF: Callsigns
>
> >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even every= so
> > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsa= nd
> > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (to= save
> > time).
> >
> > Chris, G4AYT.
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Preisknaller: WEB.DE= DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!
> http://pr= odukte.web.de/go/02/
>
>
>





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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0015174c1caa172569047c6e5a79-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b5c9ed45e; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:26:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FAE63800007D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ85H-0008VF-0W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ85G-0008V5-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:18 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ85D-0001ep-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:18 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0153C1C00090 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E78971C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9788C1C00090 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:25:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124192509629.9788C1C00090@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b5c9ed203b8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 


------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA9D2A.F0CCEEB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b5b9093382; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:13:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA44F380000B5; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYq4m-0001KI-G6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYq4m-0001K9-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYq4j-0006oI-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4LAGoeW0tOlkcz/2dsb2JhbACCF4YrAc0JhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,332,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448247434" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.71.51]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 00:11:11 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:11:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca9c89$bc25d8d0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b5b90900594 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave Thanks for the Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner. I will give it another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW . 73 Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 23 January 2010 20:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on Well, Eddie, I think I saw something.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment, so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 23 January 2010 13:56 To: knightsqrss@cnts.be; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: 500KHz Altoids MEPT on I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver - PA - Keyer), 500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >= 1mWatt All reports very welcome Eddie G3ZJO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave<= /font>

 

Thanks for the= Grab, yes that looks pretty promising, a little noisy for accurate confirmation but 17.50 is the= time when I changed back to the WSPR MEPT and went for dinner.

 

I will give it= another run in the morning. I am still calculating the ERP is only around 200mW .

 

73

 

Eddie G3Z= JO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 23 January 2010= 20:39
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz= Altoids MEPT on

 

Well, Eddie,

 

I think I saw some= thing.... it stopped at about 1750 utc. Only using a miniwhip here at the moment= , so receive performance isn't great on 500 kHz.

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of g3= zjo
Sent: 23 January 2010= 13:56
To: knightsqrss@cnts.be= ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LF: 500KHz Alt= oids MEPT on

I have my QRPp Altoids Tin, (actually 3 Altoids size units Driver – PA= – Keyer),  500KHz MEPT on now for a few hours.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >=3D 1mWatt

 

All reports very welcome

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA9C89.BC25D8D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9b04b560871cc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:31:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME044-9b04b560871cc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:30:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJln-0002M8-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJlm-0002Lz-Lk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:42 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXJlj-00082H-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:42 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so7389327pxi.30 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8TBlpzj+t6LchxUncT5eP07M9pQ9GmzvKN0+ha2oLlQ=; b=e94vuWeibqhn1RHdyfHCS9bPNoMzzYyI89WVk3VWJ2w3CvXBkD/w1yVdmBv3apyEUc B9a2lVISuJNFfzqcMbJ5gzHweRkUL/AflWKyOIGs0G0ZRSHIfBvauBXl/10Rjvh+ZKaT hrsoerC5dWkc3cnYm4XHmFHJHV+pIF29yUbSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=Mwwdi5wsIjgffcvupVKbNCCYyD6Dy0lZdyK2x4f5Y1wl3tefwkQIrBXHHt9pJPtPf4 70vXNwypIc1sRkA6ho9gndEu25q2ESE1dWJAvjynlf2IYFTsqHecAW8cRm5sZeowuYee BShZ+aNToHQIp2o+4nqU9UTCBriiqRnMCYMRk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr5623318rvq.268.1263929372723; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:29:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0fbda05949acccc0 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. Sorry, no prizes :-(( 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All,

For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((



73

Gary - G4WGT.
--000e0cd1aa68484ca9047d897d48-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b40d124cf; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:17:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2B6F838000163; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRU42-0002u8-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRU42-0002tz-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRU3z-0000ka-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:16:25 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE9451C003 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ECDF3862 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 05CCB18056; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from 162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.51.162]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 Message-ID: <20100103181609.ivn5yo6dmosk444k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:16:09 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <805528.86512.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.51.162 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b40d11f7442 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Pete, There is no need for linear amplification with WSPR, so things can be =20 kept simple. Another way to get a 500kHz WSPR signal is to generate WSPR with the =20 tones 14.6Hz separated at 5MHz and then divide by 10. As Andy states the WSPR protocol is public (and pretty =20 straightforward), so writing the appropriate software shouldn'd be to =20 hard. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting M0FMT : > Probably simpler to to make up a transverter - mixer with a xtal =20 > controlled oscillator and a few stages of linear amplification =20 > driving the mixer with an SSB rig. The whole thing about WSPR is the =20 > Low power aspect so no QRO linears required if you play the game. =20 > Then use the readily available Software that can be down loaded for =20 > free.... no brain surgery required. > > 73 es GL petefmt > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Andy Talbot wrote: > > From: Andy Talbot > Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:59 > > There is a way... > > If you can arrange an oscillator so that it can be pulled onto the > four WSPR tone frequencies (separated by 1.46Hz ) by two logic lines. > This could be as simple as two resistors, one twice the value of the > other, giving a 2-bit D/A converter, controlling a varicap on the > oscillator. > > Then a PIC keyer can generate the logic level drive. > See www.g4jnt.com/WSPRBCNS.ZIP for details of generating teh WSPR > message and the PIC code > > The design in there uses a GPS receiver to get accurate timing, but > with some trivial PIC code changes it could be made to work in a > standalone manually trigerred mode. > > Perhaps there's a demand here... > > WSPR encoding on the fly is easy enough in a PC > http://www.g4jnt.com/wspr_coding_process.pdf > A prog could be written to output the two-bit data via a USB/Serial > port and PIC based dongle... > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to > health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > > 2010/1/3 Graham =20 > >: >> Roger >> >> ''' More people should use WSPR - ''' >> >> That's not as easy as it sounds , wspr needs a liner audio to rf >> carrier frequency conversion, ...fine if you have a conventional >> transverter , mf exciter or ham set that works down to 500/137 ...No= good >> if you have dividing logic in the amplifier drive train , vfo contro= lled >> or PIC based without the 'ability' to run a wspr generating code= set .. >> Its a good point worth making though ... >> >> G.. >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM >> To: =20 >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb >> Mal, >> >> Some suggestions: >> >> More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time >> based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz= slice >> of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station >> performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room >> elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. >> Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of >> interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to= use >> this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfer= ence >> to weak signals is likely. >> You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan >> less". >> >> 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector >> >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/2 mal hamilton =20 >> > >>> >>> I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and >>> S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to >>> listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why= a >>> station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. >>> The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. >>> Does anyone else have an opinion? >>> G3KEV >>> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5f394b3dcff811b; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:35:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 90A8338001096; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQeoD-0007hq-Ka for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:32:41 +0000 Received: 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authority (on smtp05.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: odl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA8AD6.1B9FC390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b3dcfbc0aaf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA8AD6.1B9FC390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b42ccd2409d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Jim, i am using a synthesised drive unit SD1 from Redifon (very old) to generate wspr.The ssb modulator for this at 1.4MHz for this I build in myself, PA is also homebrew,500W output, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Jim and Hannelore Fisher Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 4:15 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: 500khz licence Hi Victor-- How are you generating WSPR on 500 kHz--transverter/directly? 73, Jim VE1JF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of victor13@online.nl Sent: January-04-10 16:10 To: blacksheep Subject: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.22]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b654bb82bc; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:22:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11E49380000A6; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVyw-0007fH-2k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbVyv-0007f8-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:37 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbVys-0005lx-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:37 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2412107bwz.4 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:20:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JO/K4heUUEnkAWaFMnah4k/XF6aL/uHWV9dzLQ9mSZA=; b=Vcgg3zCt6TwGP7YgpiMeR3hmxvD6B0YnyOLV+cwv9a981KgL4sZfSfBEW+lBnirUFk 0hJZC8jkCTwmlsaVJ4ozHbgvOVdLd12rETHfsmI0KIXAfJrUELwtGiQ7bJLcGJ0JGyfD HIzUQl/3lFJD/V+NZs/dCht3l2VQRuYGJcy5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ddo1201OV1E60z2yZ7OL1YIALZZuT1k2Tqj876KD3gh5LLmen/5NFjgSaQ5cGg4sm0 FbqrwS4IG3Qphg3iRkm3T7mxItOFliHEt5kbVUo4fJGVxo0/oeTcQC0BFLyZzFzBVYn0 YFOUML1RXsp9ENE/k7JNr/AOMCvawj9aW0SAY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.39.200 with SMTP id h8mr1873084bke.97.1264929627925; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:20:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001310120h6a9d80f0t93efba63b8a0d876@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555af92236eb1047e726149 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164b654bb62988 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555af92236eb1047e726149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the report Lubos. Yes, I ran my beacon overnight for the first time this week. I have now received reports from 75 different receiving stations, but you remain my best DX at 1232kms. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/31 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Roger, LF! > You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS last night. My PC > decoded your signal: > > *0344 -26 1.3 0.503898 0 G3XBM JO02 0 > > *I hope, I will see your signal in the night again. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS* > * > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Bezplatn=E1, d=F9v=ECryhodn=E1 a plnohodnotn=E1 e-mailov=E1 slu= =BEba > Zaregistrovat > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555af92236eb1047e726149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the report Lubos.

Yes, I ran my beacon overnight for= the first time this week. I have now received reports from 75 different= receiving stations, but you remain my best DX at 1232kms.

73s
= Roger G3XBM

2010/1/31 Lubos OK2BVG &l= t;bvgbob@hotmail.com><= br>
Hello Roger, LF!
You was successful with your TX 1mW here in JN88KS las= t night. My PC decoded your signal:

0344 -26=A0 1.3=A0=A0 0.503898=A0 0 G3XBM JO02 0

I hope, I will see yo= ur signal in the night again.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS



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--00032555af92236eb1047e726149-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-5eab4b5090d7353; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0D4138000154; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVoQS-0000qb-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVoQR-0000qS-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVoQH-000465-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0FFmoIw027166 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:50 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bbe.6392350f (43897) for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229139075.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.139.75]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC062-ab794b508e581dd; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:48:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9602.962D90B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4b5090cc4c6c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA9602.962D90B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's one caught when I ran the 500 kHz grabber in spring 2008. I bel= ieve Laurence's explanation is correct. During acceleration of the mo= tor, the dutycycle on the constant chopper frequency is being modulate= d with an increasing rotation frequency, and its harmonics. 73 de Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL1X=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Looks like variable frequency drive interference from devices like= pumps, elevator motors, cranes etc. Very musical if listening on SSB= and strong enough. =20 Laurence KL 1 X/5 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: hudsonville@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi All, Anyone come across these? http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg I have seen them on 80m too in the past. 73, Lee M0LMH. ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.= Sign up now. =3D=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0034_01CA9602.963001B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's one caught when I ran the 500= kHz grabber=20 in spring 2008. I believe Laurence's explanation is correct. &nbs= p;During=20 acceleration of the motor, the dutycycle on the constant chopper frequ= ency=20 is being modulated with an increasing rotation frequency, an= d its=20 harmonics.
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL1X
Sent: Friday, January 15, 201= 0 1:54=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers=

Looks like variable frequency drive interference = ;from=20 devices like pumps, elevator motors,  cranes etc. Ver= y musical=20 if listening on SSB and strong enough.
 
Laurence KL 1=20 X/5
 
From: hudsonville@= btinternet.com
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
Date:=20 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:01 +0000
Subject: LF: Cat Whiskers

Hi=20 All,
 
Anyone come=20 across these?
 
 
I have seen=20 them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee=20 M0LMH.
 

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autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL=0.118,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?koi8-r?Q?LF=3A_grabber_136_khz?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF'ers, I have restored the a bit burnt loading coil, the grabber again works. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-85e84b4092801e9; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:50:09 -0500 Received: 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John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.131]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b5606c5bc; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:23:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 47D8A3800025A; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJeX-0002FE-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXJeX-0002F5-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:13 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXJeU-0004jO-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:22:12 +0000 Received: from COL122-W34 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:04 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2010 19:22:04.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF0F8D80:01CA993C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_" Subject: LF: XGJ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834b5606c37f11 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you used the lower power= , as you wrote to Andrey. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I saw your signal last night. I am happy, becouse you= used the lower power, as you wrote to Andrey.

73!

Lubos, OK= 2BVG, JN88KS

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter= =FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_fd904688-cf62-47a3-8bb7-bc9dbf8c0db4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-86474b60a1a2b6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AC4F4380006AA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaESt-0004Df-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaESt-0004DW-0r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com ([209.85.218.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaESq-00067c-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:14 +0000 Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2360935bwz.29 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZiunjqNVZ2Q4h7TW0mgewDDbmI+fjUUA9f5vWNAr2+U=; b=pd1BUYBlJ7bdLsiYaWo7HG31+9Hy+G8RJ84M3HkFCH1Gu0/C6c6NBwTaMiBsELTT+M aSAHrpoiAeGPFdN4VcMURynI3V7g3fV27JUsG60c/Srdlx9GMOhnTLGVGNhS3kXHqOr5 5080vWAIYU0QnQsBsdMVKIFUOgYznH5rtfQgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Sadj5pym4x/UMGV7AENTClk4anw/yog9VqVfR69QcfFdXzxqWgJGUc3B4tnlzKSZzB sDRYOSwOJTI1+Sl86fROyDun8Izps5VPWI9KlyMimajnio33Om2VQm4+/JaAu3Ud+aFm UL13zfDwm67PO4S5BBBzx/+aE5aR8RR28UX6s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.6 with SMTP id a6mr1141223hbh.31.1264623963550; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524b60a1a03e3e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com --001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it= a just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
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=A02010-01-27 20:08=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+10=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:02=A0 =A0PA0A=A0 =A00.503900=A0 =A0+15=A0 =A00=A0 =A0JO33de=A0 =A0+37=A0 =A05.012=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0502=A0 =A0312=A0
=A02010-01-27 20:00=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G7NKS=A0 =A00.503920=A0 =A0-5=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO92ub=A0 =A0+20=A0 =A00.100=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0422=A0 =A0262=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:54=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+14=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
=A02010-01-27 19:44=A0 =A0G4JNT=A0 =A00.503875=A0 =A0+10=A0 =A00=A0 =A0IO90iv=A0 =A0+23=A0 =A00.200=A0 =A0F6CNI=A0 =A0JN19qb=A0 =A0391=A0 =A0243=A0
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--001485f7d7761f4d6c047e2b3693-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.80]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b5cdf0d2ba; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:00:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 713BD38000191; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCML-0002jT-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZCML-0002jK-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZCMJ-0003fj-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:59:13 +0000 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0ONwvZw005537 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c5b.610c2f8f (34983) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229238110.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.238.110]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a74b5cdeb72db; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <99D2006A91C34C9B9C09A914D08EDF27@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <39459.55ff6410.388dba8b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:58:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DF6NM / F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60504b5cdf0b19fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Nicolas, thank you too for this most enjoyable 137 kHz QSO ! Here I have 200 W= PEP into a Marconi antenna with about 0.1 % efficiency. Have a good time, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You. Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!! TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR) Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter) + variometer in= side RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9D59.8C7CA6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Nicolas,
 
thank you too for this most enjoyable 137 kHz QSO ! Here=20 I have 200 W PEP into a Marconi antenna with about 0.1= %=20 efficiency.
 
Have a good time,
Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 201= 0 4:00=20 PM
Subject: LF: DF6NM / F4DTL

Many thanx Markus for this second contact with You.
Very fine Chirpped Hell transmission, i like that !!!
 
TX: 4x IRFP450 about 350w
Pilot: DDS AD9851 (QRSS DFCW WSPR)
Antenna: 10m vertical and loading (400 mm diameter)&nbs= p; +=20 variometer inside
 
RX: IC 7400 or IC 756 pro
Antenna: Wellbrook LFL1010 or miniwhip PA0RDT<= /DIV>
 
 
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:18:42 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVose-0000Am-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:18:41 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF04C51C007 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E498331E702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:22 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:18:31 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9953355E1D1744D88F8D196B2D947CAD@Inspiron> <20100115135556.7E6A331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001150607t16410f2dre3ca6581772d7da7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115161822.E498331E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30415748==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_30415748==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed if they want to come in peace they shouldn't cause QRM ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:07 15/01/2010, you wrote: >They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-) > >73s >Roger G3XBM > >2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe ><rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote: >>Hi All, >> >>Anyone come across these? >> >>http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg >> >>I have seen them on 80m too in the past. >> >>73, >>Lee M0LMH. >> > > > > >-- > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_30415748==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" if they want to come in peace they shouldn't cause QRM ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 15:07 15/01/2010, you wrote:
They come from Alpha Centauri and mean peace..... :-)

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 Rik Strobbe < rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
I have seen them on the KL1X 500kHz grabber once or twice

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 13:40 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi All,
 
Anyone come across these?
 
http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/grabs/CatWhiskers.jpg
 
I have seen them on 80m too in the past.
 
73,
Lee M0LMH.
 




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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
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G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
--=====================_30415748==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA041-b5144b5b188f1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:41:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0462E3800008A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYi5l-0006Ba-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYi5k-0006BR-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYi5g-00049n-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:40:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAKemWktZ8Y3g/2dsb2JhbAAtjUcFx3WEOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,329,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="311937558" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.141.224]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 15:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003101ca9c42$4ce6f720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001230728l3ea0c2ffqa0e2913b3d45cca2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:39:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b5b188d4a42 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only one wspr sig present, no jt4 at present g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Hi Roger, As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide to JT= 65A" amongst many others at the following site :- http://www.pe2pe.eu/wsjt_manuals.htm I found this "Bozo's Guide" very useful to get started, The author= Andy K3UK (yes he is from the UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written= it for other Bozo's. 73, Gary - G4WGT On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn = wrote: Thanks for this help Andy.=20 I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon,= but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days pe= rhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak sign= al QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore= the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initiall= y would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this= too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot = wrote: AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going= to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use= on uWaves it certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and docum= ented code, being heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with= JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If= you download and read the WSJT users guide and other supporting files= , there's all you need to know to get it going is in there. http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf= =20 http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT= 65x, but at least it does have the options of being available in a ran= ge of bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light= . (Although I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used= respectively on LF, HF and uWaves) There's probably only a fractio= n of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or= two away from the Shannon limit. [Which knocks spots off CW or any= fuzzy mode, as well as straight PSKnn without error correction]. Wo= lf has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, ne= eds a linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly. A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something= for use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced= varient of them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was per= suaded not to abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to= enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be deco= ded with the same S/N as JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spr= ead out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwid= e overall, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energ= y). There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms= , the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org= and now GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjame= s.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as it is quite= an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate ti= ming information is available to keep it synched. =20 My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.8= 5 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.= Would there be any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the hea= lth and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardou= s to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar reg= ions On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) refer= ence to JT4A in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like= JT6M which I have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never= tried TXing. Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies"= guide, or something similar that I might understand, please? 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only one wspr sig present, no jt4 at= =20 present
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23,= 2010 3:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple= guide?

Hi Roger,

As JT4A is very similar to JT65A there is a good "Bozo's Guide= to JT65A"=20 amongst many others at the following site :-


I found th= is "Bozo's=20 Guide" very useful to get started, The author Andy K3UK (yes he is= from the=20 UK) self confessed "Bozo" has written it for other Bozo's.

73,  Gary - G4WGT


On 23 January 2010 14:43, Roger Lapthorn <r= ogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of your= valuable=20 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-ar= ranged=20 times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility= of really=20 weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd lik= e to=20 explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test wi= th=20 initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who woul= d value=20 this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:<= BR>
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'   JT4x was never= originally=20 going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our ext= ensive=20 use on uWaves it certainly is now.   JT65x= was the=20 more popular and documented code, being heavily used for EME on= 144 /=20 432 / 1296MHz,   with JT4x just one of those incl= uded in=20 the WSJT suite to 'try out'   If you download and read= the=20 WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's a= ll you=20 need to know to get it going is in there.
 
 
Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse th= an JT65x,=20 but at least it does have the options of being available in a ra= nge of=20 bandwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red=20 light.   (Although I think I've only ever come across= A, D and G=20 being used respectively on LF, HF and uWaves)   = There's=20 probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as far as= I can=20 ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. = [Which=20 knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight=20 PSKnn without error correction].   Wolf has a sim= ilar=20 signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a linea= r TX to=20 avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
 
A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted someth= ing for=20 use on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.  JT4G,= the widest=20 spaced varient of them looked suitable.   = After some=20 prompting, Joe was persuaded not to abandon that mode,  and= in=20 fact he modified the code to  enhance the decoder= routine=20 so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as= =20 JT4A.    We discovered just how good the mode was= , even=20 under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to=20 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide ove= rall, so=20 this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
 
There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G=20 waveforms,   the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset  GB= 3SCX and=20 GB3SCS www.scrbg.org    and  now GB3CSB on=20 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.= biz/gm4cxm/id14.html  Other=20 will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to generate= from a=20 simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availab= le to keep=20 it synched.  
 
My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/= 503.85=20 signals - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming= the=20 PIC.   Would there be any interest, bearing in mind&nb= sp;both=20 the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will be lost for the=20 duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

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On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthor= n <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Having=20 looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?)  referen= ce to JT4A=20 in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M= which I=20 have managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried= =20 TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "J= T4A for=20 Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understa= nd,=20 please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA9C42.4CAB4DB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-5f14b4a4dec184; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:00:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG096-5f14b4a4dec184; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:00:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5of-000630-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU5of-00062q-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU5od-0001KO-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 72818 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kC2hukxa6d6tHM610+6gYtwJTOLrWUhVqE7ZfCnEY+kq2m+Cfarwzd7FduJOdVGVuBTN1XzMdAHZW6ett8DwtT1r3xysf2ZnYhd+pR9p+ld3FC7bC+j8KGU7N7LVXn6LQbku6AY0pt767mbpr9ih4OfJk2JqIBazXTze4mfKVKo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: hxzcHIkVM1l_3xlLkp6i5BjFhV3ShoggeLAnml5Kx6jT8pbCg3LCS6KkPd8oUOSf1VYhNmdAWW8gQH5R9rBzQ9tTyGc5fghUuJokHFJD.tge42Mu5OgRty96qjSA1iXSKf41cfYggw2PdfXtLICQstUFlRzxJNgFOnmXHjJ0JN2vTmCUq9B.UPgo5XuolfeW372vQpWgDsICO.DYgtCUG377tmBsufoTpTbsClIU7l654ttbGuP2ZsZYF36JakzzTi03G5hghCY2uIw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <74FCFE8B23464B2DB8B5DF8D351877BD@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:59:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jim, LF Group, The main variables involved are: TX ERP TX directional pattern (probably only if a TX loop is used) Distance - leading to "geometric" propagation losses Other propagation losses - for DX signals, basically due to ionospheric effects Band noise level at the receiver Directional patttern of RX antenna Received SNR required for mode in use It is difficult to make a direct calculation because some of these are not known to any great level of confidence - in particular, the "other" ionospheric propagation losses, and the band noise level at a particular receiver. Noise levels can be determined by field strength measurements, although few people have done this - my best estimate at M0BMU is about 3uV/m in 2.5kHz bandwidth under quiet conditions, although obviously varying with time of day, band conditions, direction etc. There does not seem to be much info available for ionospheric losses at LF/MF - this is of course part of the motivation for using modes such as WSPR to probe propagation. But you can be sure that simply extrapolating results with closer stations to long distances won't give a reliable answer - there is no simple relation between loss and distance. But on a practical level, you can use the WSPR database to get a fairly good idea of how much TX ERP you need to be received by particular stations, e.g. WD2XSH/17 has spotted M0BMU 40 times during the past week, with SNR between -31dB and -16dB, but quite frequently around -25dB . G7NKS is a similar distance and path, so the same ERP (estimated at 2W for M0BMU) should give similar results. If you would be content with rather fewer spots at around -30dB, close to the minimum for WSPR, you could reduce the ERP by about 5dB, or perhaps even 10dB reduction (200mW) if you would be happy with just the odd 1 or 2 spots at peaks in the propagation - this is the kind of level G4JNT is running, and has indeed been spotted a couple of times at WD2XSH/17. You could do a similar kind of estimate with other stations, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cowburn" To: Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR > Dear LF, > > Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a > link > budget for WSPR over a set distance? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.85]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-8b754b5a1d51303; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:49:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39EBC3800009A; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRMD-0003mG-44 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRMC-0003m7-Jw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:56 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRMA-0007s4-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:47:56 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD0A51C001 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2AA31E702 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1DA2318056; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from 215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (215.50-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.50.215]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:47:44 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.50.215 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554b5a1d4f49d0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good =20 value would be 20 or more). Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on =20 the trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on =20 your freq.) most of the time it is still decoding Jim. Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) =20 as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =20 > figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: > Sync =3D 9 > dB =3D -2 > DT =3D 0.0 > DF =3D -107 > W =3D 33 > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Rik Strobbe =20 > >: > > Hello Gary, Jim, > > I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. > I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and > a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if > I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST > M0BMU". > It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / > manual, so it is intuitive use. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: > > LF, > > I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome > any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply > last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before > changing Tx operation to CQ calls. > > 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC073-a97d4b5b704d31a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1CBCE380000AA; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnw5-0000k2-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYnw5-0000jt-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYnw3-00067p-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.1.6]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE28F3B4D8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:54:45 +0000 From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100123215445.64bd0eb9@opc1> In-Reply-To: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64b5b704c5faf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:43 -0000 "mal hamilton" wrote: > Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts Oh for goodness sake....!? Surely the point it is to find - and then extend - the limit? Otherwise you would just pick up the telephone or write a letter.... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-a334b49f7d81da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:53:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG095-a334b49f7d81da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:52:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU058-0003HG-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU058-0003H7-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU055-0002lj-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:51:58 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0AFpZtR022089 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d2e.573cd168 (29679) for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:51:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DL2HRE F4DTL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d2e.573cd168.387b5184_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --part1_d2e.573cd168.387b5184_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1263138690" -------------------------------1263138690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanx dear Ed for this contact with you. 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Many thanx dear Ed for this contact with you. HNY.
 
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Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:04:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AC3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 Thread-Index: Acqh5Ij3ZViXT5ODRECkF3YaUXMVFQAAX+rb References: <284359.50567.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.713;30.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.30.195417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E7.73FAC0DE" Subject: AW: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4b6491263ad7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA1E7.73FAC0DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan and tnx for your reply. (also the other stns who confirmed that th= e pic was correctly sent now) =20 A bigger signal? You mean more Drain current? That is possible (up to 75mA= for this Diode) and would be an advantage but also a disadvantage if we= think on a battery supply. The BF862 provides abt 20mA @ Uds=3D0 (measure= d out at 4 specimens) which is enough for that application.=20 And so the circuit is kept really simple and needs not even a measuring de= vice, except to find the resonance/ adjust the C (but that can be done in= Argo)... :-)=20 I hope i can give some RX reports soon (changing my QTH from Darmstadt to= Heidelberg this weekend and so not much time...) =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sa 30.01.2010 20:39 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF8= 62 Hi Stephan thanks for that I have been wondering about this for some time= but assumed a bigger signal would be required for the LED. I am not reall= y up to speed with opto-devices. Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 30/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: 2nd try of sending the pic of my loop preamp with the BF862 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 30 January, 2010, 19:26 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Dear LF, >=20 > Some OMs informed me, that the picture of > the loop preamp is in a strange design. That may be come, > since i (have to) use outlook exchange (?) >=20 > Now i try to do it again. Those who asked > for the picture, please give my a short confirmation if the > picture is in the correct format now. >=20 > I will subscribe to the reflector with > another email adress soon to solve this problem, sri > agn. >=20 > I do some modifications to the RX in the > moment and will send the new and perhaps better circuit > soon. 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d225.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf and the WSJT documantation Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Ko, > > Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. > > There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as > there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into > the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg > > Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>> >>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>> >>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>> >>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on LF >>> & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>> >>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >> >> Hi Gary >> Just received: >> >> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >> >> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >> >> >> >> > --001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf=A0= =A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
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--001485f44fd2167a11047d8acc45-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy6-0000m5-C3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy5-0000lw-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRqy2-0003rW-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy1-0004dN-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy0-0001IN-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4E66E5A6231D407898A2A06295F842B0@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:43:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Z codes etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZKB? ZHP G3KEV ???? ZCS ZAZ=20 For those interested in Z codes http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html Seriously though Mal. You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote= hours of your day to policing the lower bands, and actually operating= , which must be great. Most of us have other things to do and some ca= n contribute more by the use of innovative software and systems that= allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparable to or bette= r than any human operator, without having to stay glued to the receive= r. I fully expect to be able to gather enough data from WSPR transmission= s eventually to measure the movement and size of propagation 'zones'= and probably other useful data too. I don't expect you to understand= the technicalities, I have only a limited ability in this area, I fin= d the maths hard, but then I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are th= ose in our community who really do understand what the potential is an= d are working hard to realise it.=20 The use of these modes and the potential benefits may be outside your= interests, but have the courtesy to respect that others actively wish= to use the band for genuine experimental reasons, rather that just op= erating. Some may not even want to have QSOs =20 FWIW, I am also a keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps witho= ut prejudices instilled by my profession, and I am able to operate and= receive weak CW within tens of Hz of other transmissions. If you are= half the operator you claim to be, you too will not be severely impac= ted by the usage of a small segment of the band by WSPR or other machi= ne generated transmissions.=20 A good proportion of my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light,= is on CW, and it has netted me more DX and first countries from GM th= at I can remember. However you will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly= on 4m and 6m as it is better for some of the propagation modes I am= interested in.=20 I will be running up a WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with= luck, and will endeavour to provide the grabber and WSPR receive syst= em, 24/7 www.dc2light.co.uk =20 There is room, even in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interes= ts to be explored without significant conflict. Be happy that the band= is being actively used. =20 You are not going to have regular QSOs with stations like me who want= to experiment, as I am not often in a position to break out the key.= When I do have time to operate, it is likely to be on CW, the WSPR sy= stem will be off and I hope to see you there! Happy New Year Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basi= c set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growl= ing away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base= once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF usin= g CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ZKB?
 
ZHP G3KEV ????
 
ZCS
 
 
 
 
ZAZ
 
For those interested in Z codes
 

Seriously though Mal.= =20 You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote hours of yo= ur day to=20 policing the lower bands, and actually operating, which must be great.=  =20 Most of us=20 have other things to do and some can contribute more by the= use of=20 innovative software and systems that allow automatic reporting of sign= als at=20 levels comparable to or better than any human operator, without&n= bsp;having=20 to stay glued to the receiver.

I fully expect to be= able=20 to gather enough data from WSPR transmissions eventually to measure=20 the movement and size of propagation 'zones'  and proba= bly other=20 useful data too. I don=92t expect you to understand the technicalities= , I have=20 only a limited ability in this area, I find the maths hard, but= then I am=20 not a Nobel prize winner. There are those in our community w= ho really=20 do understand what the potential is and are working hard to reali= se=20 it. 

The use of these modes= =20 and the potential benefits may be outside your interests, but have the= courtesy=20 to respect that others actively wish to use the band for genuine exper= imental=20 reasons, rather that just operating. Some may not even want to have=20 QSOs

=  

FWIW, I am also a=20 keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps without prejudices= instilled=20 by my profession, and I am able to operate and receive weak CW within= tens of Hz=20 of other transmissions. If you are half the operator you claim to be,= you too=20 will not be severely impacted by the usage of a small segment of the= band by=20 WSPR or other machine generated transmissions. 

A good proportion = ;of=20 my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light, is on CW, and= it has=20 netted me more DX and first countries from GM that I can remember. How= ever you=20 will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly on 4m and 6m as it is better= for some=20 of the propagation modes I am interested in.

I will be running up= a=20 WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with luck, and will = ;endeavour=20 to provide the grabber and WSPR receive system, 24/7

www.dc2light.co.uk

=  

There is room, even=20 in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interests to be explor= ed without=20 significant conflict. Be happy that the band is being actively used.

=  

You are not going to= have=20 regular QSOs with stations like me who want to experiment, as I am not= often in=20 a position to break out the key. When I do have time to operate, it is= likely to=20 be on CW, the WSPR system will be off and I hope to see you=20 there!

 

Happy New Year<= /P>

Mark=20 GM4ISM

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 3:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net<= /A>>
This is fantastic news for the= Appliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended ma= chines,=20 all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute interval= s.=20 Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more= =20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity= was by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity= again using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB= beacon on 508=20 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM= 6BHZ is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shamb= les swamped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an=20 opinion?
G3KEV
 



--=20
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM    GQRP 1678=20      ISWL=20 G11088


--=20
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http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL=20 G11088
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9bb4b3fac933d7; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:29:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4b3fac933d7; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:29:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAZt-0006fq-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRAZt-0006fh-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRAZr-0007yp-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:28:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAGU7P0tOkoA8/2dsb2JhbACNQAbDbYQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="263175264" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.146.128.60]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 20:27:30 +0000 Message-ID: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:27:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide= and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us tryi= ng to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand= why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocatio= n.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causin= g QRM to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I= cannot=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band= =20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swampe= d by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CA8BE9.FDFBF830-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5efb4b587eac8a; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:19:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 411493800017D; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXzju-0005wz-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXzju-0005wq-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXzjs-00071T-Hh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 11459 invoked by uid 507); 21 Jan 2010 17:18:04 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 17:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: <201001211718110171.143BA774@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <20100121104239.E3CDE31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <9afca2641001210525p2b5eab47lfa84307e071ac5e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:11 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: about guns, water pistols and dripping tabs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b587eab7b78 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21/01/2010 at 13:25 Roger Lapthorn wrote: >BTW, Dom Baines M1KTA quoted something interesting to me today: "Terman's >Radio Engineering Handbook (1948) >stated the maximum working distance for 1 kW 500kHz over salt water was >1,500 miles!". So, I need to up my power then! Nearly 50 years ago, a former RO told me of the day he called an Alaskan= coast station on 500 to say he was entering harbour. He was answered by= Wellington Harbour Radio. John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9bb4b577f2d311; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:10:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME057-9bb4b577f2d311; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:09:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXijX-0000WR-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXijX-0000WH-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXijV-0008PG-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.67] (helo=[192.168.1.152]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXijU-0004gP-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4B577F16.1040000@inext.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:26 +0100 From: oberreiter oswald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> In-Reply-To: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL qrp test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070608020003090008040004" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070608020003090008040004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 20.01.2010 18:06, schrieb dl2hre: > Hi Ossi, LF > what's is the pwr you are running just? > GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq servus Ed! danke fuer deinen bericht habe hier 1A 9V am pa eingang gemessen da duerften so um die 5 bis 6 watt auf die antenne gehen . gehard ist am einstellen mit seinem grabber da braucht er ein schwache signal wie man sieht gehts mit kleiner leistung auch weiter. am tag heben wir mit dieser leistung schon 15 db ueberm rauschen gemessen 223km , zu dir sinds ja schon 400 . ja feine sache mit der langen welle . awdh servus ed de oe5odl ossi --------------070608020003090008040004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 20.01.2010 18:06, schrieb dl2hre:
Hi Ossi, LF
 
what's is the pwr you are running just?
 
GL Ed DL2HRE jo51tq
 
 
servus Ed!
danke fuer deinen bericht habe hier 1A 9V am pa eingang gemessen da duerften so um die 5 bis 6 watt auf die antenne gehen .
gehard ist am einstellen mit seinem grabber da braucht er ein schwache signal wie man sieht gehts mit kleiner leistung auch weiter.
am tag heben wir mit dieser leistung schon 15 db ueberm rauschen gemessen 223km , zu dir sinds ja  schon 400 .
 ja feine sache mit der  langen welle .
awdh servus ed de oe5odl ossi
--------------070608020003090008040004-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD061-b934b5744b315; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD085-b934b5744b315; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:00:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXepd-0007AN-Hk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXepd-0007AE-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXepb-0006GY-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:59:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0KHx0bf022248 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:59:00 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:59:01 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:56:28 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A9D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: OE5ODL Thread-Index: AcqZ9LlWCAfSuovrQk+KddmVWB5FQwABSqSZ References: <4CDD294EA4E84EC98D39A242C3294DDA@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.689;20.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.20.174822 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA99FA.3F4EBA89" Subject: LF: OE5ODL X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA99FA.3F4EBA89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi, tnx for transmission yesterday in the night up to 2 o clock! In the moment i built my first own RX on a ham band ever with very satisfy= ing results. I used ur sugnal to compare it to the K2. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b424aad1586 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 Aan: blacksheep Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence Hello all , I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00z I will try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rusty hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A 73 Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-a8464b50ac9898; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D2063800010B; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPY-0002sm-FA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqPX-0002sZ-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:39 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl ([194.134.42.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqPV-0005A5-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:56:39 +0000 Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7AD662CF for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b50ac974d32 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos, later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get posit= ive decodes, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR_test Hello LF! Those are my first WSPR lines today afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ -- Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR= lines today=20 afternoon:

1548  -7  2.2   0.503899 = 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37
1608 -31  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO9= 0=20 23
1632 -30 -0.5   0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20
Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA9614.73551AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI052-eac74b65ed1423; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:50:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 07D02380000BC; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgjC-0000PM-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbgjC-0000PD-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbgjA-00027L-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:49:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 30459 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 20:48:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=RK/6hUGdu7ivGKA1ctiApCPx4nqbGFkEKQ3SqKO08FrFW7+4J8OvSu0QxlHBf+nWc/VdLlAqvqySXVoVckY+KQXqd0ikMRz8Co11YHHpwFQmwNfbaeC3u+x4RW5YD++JlXK9oUrAs0ghjkm5rX4LLUwgRuSMhXuaM5AguW7Bl38= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp822.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 20:48:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: JnYntxkVM1kZzfRYGMzwwXGvlp8FMp.XRb9XicIeaGKmLjb_nO0SCpJ_2FkJFEaHeAUL7TtPUHXSq_W5ElYzu217btBg22fKEybAUgz5bFv...NiDkbNbFyAOV.18ftUdUAOlUNpmUjWC6Lyd9UGSPeXzswewze0UiHsfL6WcRDwGOtatJrY0D8NPgumb00TX8Hau2FxjHl1E3WNdpVjHeUZLyZcFgdNPem5RlQBdSNnDLmW03zhAlEsLhff4XW0YC3inLo65UwU.UHJSHjoxJFI_CnCvetZmI3HlO4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1C05E50A54B4465193C903D46F3566E6@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001310901s4b277bfdl34710411e4185839@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:48:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz BPSK08 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b65ed125926 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary, LF Group, This is what I see at M0BMU at 2042utc: {10}Test transmission from G4WGT Locator IO83qo Tx RF 5=D8 watts ERP 2=D8=D8 mW Mode and station control by SpecLab Test de G4WGT To get successful decoding, I had to set the AFC to off, measure the= center=20 frequency of the signal from the waterfall and set this manually as th= e RX=20 frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message -----From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF Group (RSGB)" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz BPSK08 > LF, > > I will be operating a beacon this evening using BPSK08 mode. > The frequency will be 503.600 kHz dial set at 502.600 kHz USB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-869b4b5a1b10f6; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:39:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D43D38000085; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRCs-0003Yu-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRCr-0003Yl-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:17 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRCq-0007mj-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:17 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.27] (helo=17.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NYRCp-0007XX-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:15 +0100 Received: from p57af21d6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.33.214]:1152 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 17.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NYRCp-0004ci-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:15 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B7DEAED223845F495CCC097129A690B@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqbqnHUrLEG7FAsRKuNXf/W8/BflwAAFu+w X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: AW: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b5a1b0e5588 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, now decoded your CQ-call with shift preset of 5.0 (instead of 0.0) 213400 11 -16 4.7 -50 34 * CQ G4WGT IO83 1 0 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ======= _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 22:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Rik, That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. 73, Gary - G4WGT 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: Sync = 9 dB = -2 DT = 0.0 DF = -107 W = 33 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Rik Strobbe : Hello Gary, Jim, I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST M0BMU". It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) Quoting Gary - G4WGT : LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Gary,

 

now= decoded your CQ-call with shift preset of 5.0 (instead of 0.0)

 

213400 11 = -16  4.7  -50 34 *      CQ G4WGT IO83          =    1   0

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Freitag, 22.= Januar 2010 22:30
An: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kH= z JT4A

 

Rik,

 

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put th= e power up a bit.

 

73,  Gary= - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>

As said I haven't read any instructions / man= ual but maybe the figures WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>:

Hello Gary, Jim= ,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU= " and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if<= br> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "= ;TEST
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome=
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.






 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA9BB3.95CC35C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b50262f1c3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:24:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4395838000070; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVhS4-0005eK-23 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVhS3-0005eB-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:39 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVhS1-0003py-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:22:39 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWA00M6G4LHTA@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:22:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:22:16 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <7FEFCD96FEB8484E8301F2AF7AF0E248@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: GHB 15-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JCIRfNPWobYeiuLxG6LtYg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b50262d0076 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_JCIRfNPWobYeiuLxG6LtYg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture GHB Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: GHB 15-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_wsCJmd5iRCJeL1GTnw0GAQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
Capture GHB
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
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GHB 15-01.jpg

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X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AA7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Grabber OE3GHB Thread-Index: Acqc50hW6zxHAvxvRxeWF5XfnV+AmwALh37c References: <1264331867.1818.10.camel@gerhard-desktop> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.698;24.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.24.163918 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D15.F793AE8C" Subject: LF: AW: Grabber OE3GHB X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b5c7ba16fde X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9D15.F793AE8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard,=20 =20 Gratuliere zu dem Grabber. Ich nehme an, du bist oft mit OE5ODL zusammen= am testen? RX und Ant optimieren? Was macht die Station und die PA? W=FCrde mich mal =FCber ein QSO freuen, hatten wir noch nicht. Der wenige Wind in den letzten Wochen l=E4sst meine Aktivit=E4t TX-seitig= schrumpfen, so eine Windstille ist =FCberaus selten hier, ich beobachte= das seit 2 Jahren... =20 Am Dienstag soll aber viel Wind sein. Bist du da auch qrv? =20 Gru=DF und viel Spa=DF! =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 PS: Ich kann dich auch aus der Stadt mit der kleinen Aktiv-Antenne empfang= en, sehr sch=F6nes Signal! ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: So 24.01.2010 12:17 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Grabber OE3GHB Hello group! I have now further improved the sensitivity on my grabber and will keep it running for a while. It could be of special interest for stations which are too close to Markus DF6NM. Unfortunately I could not manage to realize a wideband-grabber. 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Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd1a106c9f2dd047de88fb6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b5c43921903 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1a106c9f2dd047de88fb6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 --000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Eddie, I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 g3zjo > Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT > on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. > > > > Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now > switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. > > > > 73 > > > > *Eddie* > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave G3WCB > *Sent:* 24 January 2010 10:49 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - > > > > Hi, Eddie. > > > > Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about > 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & > Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth > > > > By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains > elements of both modes! > > > > (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the > carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double > frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space > frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *g3zjo > *Sent:* 24 January 2010 09:53 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin > > Hi All > > > > I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a > note on receiving the QRSS3. :- > > > > Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the > standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal > will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. > > Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR > signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same > time. > > > > Frequency 503.22KHz > > > > Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 > Morse > > > > Power 500mW at 50 Ohms > > > > Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts > > > > Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical > > > > ERP >1mWatt > > > > > > *Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng* > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 > 19:33:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 > 19:33:00 > > --000e0cd1a106c9f2d1047de88fb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eddie,

I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & ha= ve managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200= kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captu= red at 1245utc.

73, Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/24 g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com>

Thanks Dave and= all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Ri= k and GM.

=A0

Dave, yes the mo= dulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

=A0

73=

=A0

Edd= ie

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] On Behalf Of Dave= G3WCB
Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

=A0

Hi, Eddie.

=A0

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 10= 0 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel=A0& Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

=A0

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elemen= ts of both modes!

=A0

(With QRSS,=A0one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double freque= ncy CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies,= and the carrier drops between letters.)

=A0

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: ow= ner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org]On Behalf Of g3zjo<= br> Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups= .com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqr= ss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

=A0

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note= on receiving the QRSS3. :-

=A0

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard set= tings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800= on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can sp= ot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.=

=A0

Frequency 503.22KHz

=A0

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse<= /font>

=A0

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

=A0

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

=A0

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

=A0

ERP >1mWatt

=A0

=A0

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

=A0

No virus found in this incoming= message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.= com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00

No virus found in this incoming message= .
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Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10= 19:33:00


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false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b41026101d5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Ed, LF Group, Sorry about the 1/2 QSO on 136k - my TX power supply has a short circuit, so I am QRT until I can repair it :-( You are currently "O" copy here in QRSS10 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-5a94b5b3c6631a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG024-5a94b5b3c6631a; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYkTV-0006zV-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYkTU-0006zM-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:44 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYkTS-0004uK-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:44 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W2 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.230.154] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:12:33 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2010 18:12:33.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[A27F9B00:01CA9C57] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_" Subject: LF: Z3801A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I could= talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine) =20 For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wonder if= anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published set up bu= t has it working on say 4800....=20 =20 Any good progs that can discover port configs :-) =20 Laurence=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
I having a Blond moment - a few years back I was discussing the RS422 conn= ections to my unit and discussed the fact that the port isnt 19200,Odd, 7,= 1start,1stop - but I had discovered mine was another config. (and I= could talk to it, once I had gone thru the infinite monkey routine)<= BR>  
For the life of me I cant seem to recall my working settings and wond= er if anyone else has a unit which doesnt have the standard published= set up but has it working on  say 4800.... 
 
Any good progs that can discover port configs :-)
 
Laurence

Your E-mail and More On-the-= Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_3345e1f3-e599-43d4-a468-3c1fa756af85_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.215]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94b50a7e1108; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:37:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 83BDB38000125; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVq6L-0002J2-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVq6L-0002Ir-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVq6J-000106-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEANs2UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMGIQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="280301868" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: <004401ca9609$40e98bc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:36:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b50a7df4169 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two strong wspr stns active but no decode the buzz on the qrg is bad> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely. 73s=20 Roger G3XBM 2010/1/15 mal hamilton Some one has switched a dirty carrier on 503.5 full of mains hum.= Some ones WSPR gone wrong?? G3KEV --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two strong wspr stns active but no de= code the buzz=20 on the qrg is bad>
 
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That's below the WSPR sub-band Mal, so unlikely.
<= BR>73s=20
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/15 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some one has switched a dirty car= rier on 503.5=20 full of mains hum. Some ones WSPR gone wrong??
 
G3KEV
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CA9609.40AB9860-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.79]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b4a30d3de; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E43ED38000209; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3sQ-0004gQ-Ow for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU3sQ-0004gB-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:06 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU3sM-0004GA-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:55:05 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so13501925bwz.4 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5Yh1OG48GaXvdVtq5qDgtUuHrfUMp4G08/5TAI3ofnI=; b=Q3g0LI7YN3tGqEV5IoHkgIBEM+anYnICGtifaN8xJQpYFyu9OsBGglEg5ZtCETPJXN vLKznhRyUnOlXUzt3en+0YBzHRQ/MUs0E+P4bWbfc9651DSmJfoqFCUl66jTV1RIwkWd 9A+h4OcNSK0Hjp5ZXuMLfT2X8i4BciOPvOQMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tiuieuIOs8uigB7eETB8vAALDVoNGyhKI4kuPjrIHdNVprw/Q8qlR8yjzBx6VuUpFm TqXH5Uy6a67ILeM9ZXEAoiKYDHlQy4ZRgCs3RFKoiZaF3H30ahRi0jL5F5UesCRFjIvt qLOTPMrzrQ1F6z115dGe3wV9TmA3XfW4w4wMM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.210 with SMTP id g18mr2992554bkb.121.1263153296382; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:54:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <20100110204914.7slzdzt6skoww4so@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001101154y7b99110l20c6ab44435d4213@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604f4b4a30d12545 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/1/10 Rik Strobbe > Jim, > > if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) > depends more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance. > And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting James Cowburn : > > Dear LF, >> Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a >> link budget for WSPR over a set distance? >> As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current >> antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is >> around -30dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed >> accurately calculating the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting >> and antenna configuration? >> Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one >> knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible >> to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on >> its performance with other known signals. >> If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would >> the remaining 8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx >> has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, >> then is it fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals? >> Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for >> a great 2010 >> With best regards >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS >> E james.cowburn@virgin.net >> >> >> >> > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do we know how many dB loss (over land and over sea) for a single hop Rik?=

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 Rik= Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Jim,

if ionoshperic propagation is involved signal strength (and thus SNR) depe= nds more of the number of hops involved than the absolute distance.
And each hop "costs" a number of dB's in signal strength.
73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.net>:

=A0Dear LF,
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of =A0a= link budget for WSPR over a set distance?
As it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my =A0curren= t antenna/power setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the =A0limit for WS= PR is around -30dB then is there a means for roughly =A0estimating or inde= ed accurately calculating the Expected Max Range =A0(EMR) at that power se= tting and antenna configuration?
Clearly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if =A0one= knows the ratio between two or more Rx stations then it should =A0be poss= ible to pro-rate or estimate at least the signal strength at =A0a given Rx= based on its performance with other known signals.
If I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further =A0would= the remaining =A08dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming =A0the othe= r Rx has the same capability as GM4SLV and if their =A0capability is diffe= rent, then is it fine to factor for the dB =A0difference over known paths/= signals?
Thanks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all =A0fo= r a great 2010
With best regards


Jim


Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS
E james.cowb= urn@virgin.net<blocked::mailto:james.cowburn@virgin.net>









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--000325558ea687210d047cd4cb8b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE054-5eb54b56278c12d; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A565380000F5; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLqe-00048b-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXLqd-00048R-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:51 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXLqb-0000SY-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:51 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so173405fge.10 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J8tg3SsrHlzvfphRgpzM6Ldz5/Fvfz1OXni5FxfSfqE=; b=CL8uxB1yFhisj/F2hbqKkXXLb3z9HDOONUvhFJUE4+a49nxpZGfWxPjfWtw0I5Yril y5BjpssmxpJaLksl+XYPvVpTlLOJ9nFolmGtU/VQouz568r45yEbdmPyesbSqT1xFN8N GlEcSiT8YgJaVqqs7Dga+LjKeJw55ruhyluxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bQV19x4P98dF3TeVUX8867NcVB1Y39vyoKW781w58ngeszQR3sqzmyXE+CvyNY9rhA wjoGC8ZJfj32fIc8p6BLpY/DBwSi1me3CsdTWGVL5JZgSsAzF3aTXlf4GmzK/fHVGupz LSXsiqemU101KBAsxAM/zXt6nZC9JqPdXqq1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.12 with SMTP id r12mr801733hbh.94.1263937368829; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <4B5610D0.5010808@xs4all.nl> <1f0624b91001191236s7f38c98dj8effabf54eaf129e@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001191333u4e46fd7eya437693a20550a97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:42:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b56278a6001 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Overlapping emails :-) Think this was answered in the one just sent. JT4 and JT65 have similar input message formats, its just the to-air coding and FEC technique that is very different They don't offer the same type of messages as WSPR does Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT > Hi Andy, > > Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand. > > Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character format > which can be used (transmitted)?? > > I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time. > > 73 > > Gary. > > > 2010/1/19 Andy Talbot > >> In its plain text mode which you have used, it can cope with just 13 >> characters. See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Process.pdf >> and the WSJT documantation >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Hi Ko, >>> >>> Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point. >>> >>> There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used as >>> there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text into >>> the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> For a while tonight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz. >>>>> >>>>> The mode of operation is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone would like to try & decode the message, post the results on >>>>> LF & I will confirm correct or not as the case may be. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, no prizes :-(( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Gary >>>> Just received: >>>> >>>> 200200 6 -11 0.1 -477 31 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> 200300 0 -33 5.1 -451 42 >>>> 200400 22 -10 0.1 -477 24 * TEST G4WGT IO 1 0 >>>> >>>> 73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Overlapping emails=A0:-)
=A0
Think this was answered in the one just sent.=A0=A0=A0JT4 and JT65 ha= ve similar input message formats, its=A0just the to-air=A0coding and FEC= technique=A0that is very different=A0=A0
They=A0don't offer the same type of messages as WSPR does
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Andy,=20

Had a quick look at the pdf, I think I partially understand.

Does it mean that the other JT4 modes are different in the character= format which can be used (transmitted)??

I will modify the message to 13 characters in the mean time.

73

Gary.


2010/1/19 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.c= om>
In its plain=A0text mode which you have used, it can cope with just= 13 characters.=A0=A0 See http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/JT4_Coding_Pr= ocess.pdf=A0=A0 and the WSJT documantation
2010/1/19 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >=20

Hi Ko,=20

Thanks for the decode, not bad a -10 db at one point.

There must be a character limit on the Tx text box (Tx1) I have used= as there is more than you have decoded. I will try placing the same text= into the Tx6 box & see if it sends more or all.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/19 Ko Versteeg <nl9222@xs4all.nl&g= t;=20

Gary - G4WGT wrote:
Hi All,

For a while ton= ight I am transmitting a beacon on 503.600 kHz.

The mode of operati= on is WSJT JT4A, transmitting on even minutes.

Only using 15 watts RF & ERP 100 mW.

If anyone would like= to try & decode the message, post the results on LF & I will conf= irm correct or not as the case may be.

Sorry, no prizes :-((


73

Gary - G4WGT.

Hi GaryJust received:

200200 =A06 =A0-11 =A00.1 -477 31 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST= G4WGT IO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0
200300 =A00 =A0-33 =A05.1 -45= 1 42
200400 22 =A0-10 =A00.1 -477 24 * =A0 =A0 =A0TEST G4WGT IO =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 0

73 Ko, NL9222 - JO22ke



<= br>



--001485f63082e330d5047d8b592e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-5ead4b576406142; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:13:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5341338000042; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgvB-0007qI-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXgvA-0007q9-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXgv7-0000Wf-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62782000005C for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0AEC20000058 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5763C3.5050408@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:12:51 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001191509k555aea55m605635ef962632f@mail.gmail.com> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR stations in central Europe - please listen through the night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000001010205090501070301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b57640457f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000001010205090501070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, > Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from > S.England please leave your RX running for the next few nights and > keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM Hi Roger, I do listen to wspr, however, it is not done on a daily basis. I live in a downtown area of Lodz so the EM noise is terrible, street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours etc.. My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km) but his 200 mW erp pwr makes him a "big gun" when compared to 1mW :) I saw Lubos, OK2BVG reply to your mail so i guess it is a matter of days ( may be even hours ..) that the >1000km barrier is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days off and i will go outside town. Likewise Lubos i will take my computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be a chance to see you on my screen. As i will have internet access there i will issue a notice whether i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :) 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ --------------000001010205090501070301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Lapthorn wrote:

If you have a well equipped, sensitive, 500kHz WSPR station in Poland, Sweden, Austria, Czech Republic or at a similar distance from S.England plea= se leave your RX running for the next few nights and keep a close watch for G3XBM around 503.900kHz +/-20Hz.

73s
Roger G3XBM
Hi Roger,
I=C2=A0 do listen to wspr,=C2=A0 however,=C2=A0 it is not done on a daily= basis. I live in a downtown area of=C2=A0 Lodz=C2=A0 so the EM noise is terrible, =C2=A0street lights around, different electric devices of my neighbours et= c..
My best achievement on 500kHz is a positive decode of Andy , G4JNT wspr signal ( abt 1400km)=C2=A0 but his 200 mW erp pwr=C2=A0 makes him
a "big gun" when compared to=C2=A0 1mW :)
I=C2=A0 saw Lubos, OK2BVG=C2=A0 reply to your mail=C2=A0 so i guess it is= a matter of days ( may be even hours ..)=C2=A0 that the=C2=A0 >1000km=C2=A0 barrier=
is broken....At the mid of february i will have a few days=C2=A0 off=C2=A0= =C2=A0 and i=C2=A0 will go outside town. Likewise Lubos
=C2=A0i will take my=C2=A0 computer, rx setup etc..so this is going to be= a chance to see you=C2=A0 on my screen.
As i=C2=A0 will have internet access there=C2=A0 i will issue a notice whe= ther=C2=A0 i am qrv for this 1 mW challenge :)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz/jo91rs/
--------------000001010205090501070301-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-90a4b48a34918b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:40:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD062-90a4b48a34918b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:39:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdPA-0007cz-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTdP9-0007cq-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTdP7-0007gZ-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:39:07 +0000 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE8FE140 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7F348414603B4F1B8094FD1143B3CFC0@Inspiron> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message1520 -29 1.4 0.503896 0 LA3EQ <...> RRR received with wspr 1.01 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lee Hudson Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2010 16:18 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR LA3? Receiving the following non-loggable spot around 503.915 Looks like the Call field is incorrect. LA3/O28WJJ <...> JO28WJ 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
1520 -29  1.4&nb= sp; =20 0.503896  0 LA3EQ <...> RRR
 
received with wspr 1.01
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lee=20 Hudson
Verzonden: zaterdag 9 januari 2010 16:18
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: WSPR=20 LA3?

Re= ceiving the=20 following non-loggable spot around 503.915
Lo= oks like the=20 Call field is incorrect.
 
LA3/O28WJJ
&l= t;...>=20 JO28WJ
 
73,
Le= e=20 M0LMH.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CA914A.3F9DBCF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b64732f38; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:58:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A48C380000F4; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbHYO-0003Kt-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbHYO-0003Kk-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbHYN-0002Dy-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:16 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100130175608.ZBYI4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100130175608.LUYU13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:56:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B6472B1.23655.5EFF560@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=C8Ct_Lbx6B6aiT_5DLAA:9 a=OpISYe4QfgooaTCc16KeSbVyVAUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b64732e225a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 to 0900UTC. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.134]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5f224b3f7b051e1; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:57:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E949238001E23; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7GI-0004Wa-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NR7GI-0004WR-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NR7GG-0006x5-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:55:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksFAG4JP0tcGJzk/2dsb2JhbACNQQaOV7VpgiOCDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,489,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="413381207" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.156.228]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Jan 2010 16:55:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca8bcc$53480ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: 500 SHAMBLES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864b3f7ac450cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are now 3 SM beacons active on 500 khz, one using SSB and th= e others on QRS MODE plus the DL beacons plus others. This band is gra= dually being choked with QRM generators. I am sure this sort of activi= ty was not intended for 500. There are hundreds of Nav beacons worldwide active around 500 for prop= agation test purposes, so I do not know why we need any more.amateur= beacons. There is very little exchange of real time information in QSO mode. The LF BAND 137 khz is a different story with lots of QSO'S taking pla= ce and virtually no beacons. de G3KEV =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    There are now 3 SM= beacons=20 active on 500 khz, one using SSB and the others on QRS MODE plus= the DL=20 beacons plus others. This band is gradually being choked with&nbs= p;QRM=20 generators. I am sure this sort of activity was not intended= for=20 500.
There are hundreds of Nav beacons wor= ldwide=20 active around 500 for propagation test purposes, so I do not know= why we=20 need any more.amateur beacons.
There is very little exchange of= real=20 time information in QSO mode.
The LF BAND 137 khz is a different st= ory=20 with lots of QSO'S taking place and virtually no beacons.<= /DIV>
de G3KEV
  
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8BCC.52FE30A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF074-5efd4b50adc2330; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:02:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 00414380002D1; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqUY-0003Gx-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqUX-0003Gg-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:49 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqUV-0005GX-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwEAN48UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACNaAbMGIQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="436751415" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: <007201ca960c$c68688c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: wspr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b50adbf5ba5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who ever is transmitting from 1754 - 56 and the other 1756 - 58 both= good visible signs but no decode mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who ever is transmitting from 1754 -= 56 and the=20 other 1756 - 58 both good visible signs but no decode
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA960C.C6358290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.24]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-b5114b4384a023b; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:27:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E41838000081; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE7J-0004IT-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE7J-0004IK-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSE7G-0002l7-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMEABETQ0tZ8qiZ/2dsb2JhbACNRgbGOIQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="271441975" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.168.153]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:26:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca8e34$a0fd5140$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:26:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: NETHERLANDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184b43849e44bd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet another new one PAOAM has appeared this evening, 3 in the bag now= PA0AM, PA0A and PE5T. It seems I am their first QSO between the Nethe= rlands and the UK. How many more to come? de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yet another new one PAOAM has appeare= d this=20 evening, 3 in the bag now PA0AM, PA0A and PE5T. It seems I am their fi= rst QSO=20 between the Netherlands and the UK. How many more to come?
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8E34.A0B10600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.219]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64b3dd72c228; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:06:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0381380009CD; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 06:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQfHU-0007po-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQfHU-0007pf-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQfHS-0003U1-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.214] (helo=[192.168.1.151]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQfHQ-0007yJ-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <4B3DD647.9030107@inext.at> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:02:31 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: odl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40db4b3dd6b0473a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo victor ! tu fer pic testing new antenna running good in the new year hi happy new year 73 oe5odl ossi victor13@online.nl schrieb: > Happy new year to all, > > captured ODL this morning > 137710 Hz > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA063-a974b5ca9ec1ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA107-a974b5ca9ec1ef; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8pG-0000ea-5w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8pF-0000eR-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:49 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8pD-000245-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:49 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de (fwd06.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ8pC-0007fH-FT; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:46 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Eq4ldQZdghRHf9alnScD1UAtEKQ4cOIL-0LWcsNTsQZoCNs2H7YWPHmFDiS9sZ9Z1o@[84.147.226.95]) by fwd06.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZ8p6-0jDRbs0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003001ca9d31$95196bf0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Eq4ldQZdghRHf9alnScD1UAtEKQ4cOIL-0LWcsNTsQZoCNs2H7YWPHmFDiS9sZ9Z1o X-TOI-MSGID: b712a499-97ad-480b-8677-ef14d4fa240f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPRing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, just started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; just=20 started the beacon with WSPR on 505.090KHz with 0.4W ERP.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA9D39.F4D1B040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b4c52ff3ad; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:46:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E48838000258; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeFb-0008CK-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUeFb-0008CB-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUeFZ-0004yn-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:27 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0CAjNMw032571 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:45:24 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:45:22 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:42:31 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Thread-Index: AcqTVc6/k7mtFMO1R+yQFFtyUO9j1QAHiLBk References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.671;11.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.12.103318 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9374.56FE9BC4" Subject: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b4c52fd3a40 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9374.56FE9BC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Johan,=20 =20 What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull class= E stage when a single stange can do it? I am interested! :-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Di 12.01.2010 07:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Hi Andy, I tried to connect two class E stages in push-pull and it worked as expected. This was a QRP experiment on 160m but I see no reason why it shouldn't be scalable. The even harmonic cancellation of the symmetrical design is welcome since the drain waveform contains quite a lot of 2f. Each side is designed for half the output power into some R and then the matching transformer is designed to have 2R looking into the primary. The two series resonant tanks can be combined into a single one having half the C and twice the L (as in the attached picture). Who will be the first to try a QRO version of this amplifier? :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. >=20 > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. 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tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b60a3a77668 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -24dB S/N (2.5kHz ) is usually guaranteed Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > solid copy here, SNR -5 to -7dB. > But the signal is clearly audible, CW would be armchair copy. > Any idea down to what SNR values JT4A produces a usable decoding ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ------------------------------ > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [ > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk] > *Verzonden:* woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500 kHz JT4A > > LF, > > Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz USB. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo > --001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
-24dB S/N (2.5kHz )=A0 is usually guaranteed

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/27 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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solid copy here, SNR -5= to -7dB.
But the signal is clearl= y audible, CW would be armchair copy.
Any idea down to what SN= R values JT4A produces a usable decoding ?
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73, Rik=A0 ON7YD - OR7T<= /font>
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Gary - G4WGT [g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= ]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:33
Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Gr= oup
Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz JT4A

LF,=20

Running JT4A this evening on 503.600 kHz, dial frequency 502.300 kHz= USB.

73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo

--001485f1e762c31129047e2b545b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b5790f3dc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5679438000104; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjuj-0002bB-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXjuj-0002b2-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXjuh-0000nJ-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:24:41 +0000 Received: from COL122-W42 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:24:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:24:33 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 23:24:33.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9062470:01CA9A27] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_" Subject: LF: WSPR_OK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b5790f200ec X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, OMs, I am going to sleep. My RX will continue. Thanks to all! 2312 11 2.3 0.503898 0 PA0A JO33 37 2314 -8 0.3 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2314 -25 -0.4 0.503890 0 WD2XSH/17 40 Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, OMs, I am going to sleep. My RX will continue. Thanks to all!
2312  11  2.3   0.503898  0 PA0A JO33 37
2314=   -8  0.3   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23
2314= -25 -0.4   0.503890  0 WD2XSH/17 40

Lubos, OK2B= VG, JN88KS



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_6628807b-57fa-45de-b9e0-583fc14bffeb_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5ee34b3e1dc66f; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:07:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4346738000451; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjzs-0000cC-VA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjzs-0000c3-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjzp-0004hp-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20100101160454H0400skgite>; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:04:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B3E1D22.2030004@att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:04:50 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4b3e1d736743 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) S9 here in North Carolina! Online audio stream though :( Anyone know rabid tiger? The Caroline Auction: "Lot 3: Used 5762 triode output valve from one of the transmitters on boar= d Ross=20 Revenge =96 =A3625 to rabid tiger" Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG014-9f14b4c62a9301; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:53:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG013-9f14b4c62a9301; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:53:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfI5-0000P8-1w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUfI4-0000Oz-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:04 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUfI1-0008LY-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:52:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6009D129A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4B4C625C.4080501@telia.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:51:56 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <4B4C1D36.3090707@telia.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A94@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, yes, a single ended class E amplifier would give the same power with both FETs in parallel but, due to symmetry, the push-pull design has the advantage of cancelling all even order harmonics by design. 3f is the first harmonic to worry about so the lowpass filter can be made simpler. The added complexity of push-pull is minimal - one more capacitor and one more DC feeding choke. And, yes, an output transformer in case you didn't already use one for impedance matching in the single ended case. By the way, the amplitude of the first harmonics of a single ended class E amplifier (without lowpass filter!) is 0.51/QL (2f) and 0.08/QL (3f) with respect to the carrier (1f) amplitude. QL is the loaded Q of the series resonant tank, XL/Rload. Example: If QL =3D 5.1, a reasonable value, the amplitude of the 2f harmonic will be 0.51/5.1 =3D 0.1 compared to the carrier i.e. -20dBc. In a perfectly balanced push-pull circuit, the 2f harmonic will disappear so the first harmonic problem will be 3f at -36dBc which is "16dB easier" to filter and further from the carrier as well :-). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Johan,=20 > =20 > What are you planning? This sounds like QROO? Why using a push-pull clas= s E stage when a single stange can do it? > I am interested! :-) > =20 > Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-a7d34b5c68f722b; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:36:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56BE03800008F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4Ui-00070V-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ4Ui-00070M-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ4Uf-0000HZ-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.233]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o0OFZEoD022893 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:14 +0100 (MET) Received: by ewi341.ewi.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id 1608F7C833D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:15 +0100 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20100124153515.GA12172@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca9ce7$c0cdc650$6402a8c0@e7010> <20100124131626.GB9808@cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -5.376 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,J_CHICKENPOX_23,WEIRD_PORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:15 +0100 (MET) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b5c68f63f23 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Markus et al., On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 02:57:01PM +0100, Markus Vester wrote: > well Walter was probably referring to the receiver FPGA, running > through those billions of calculations per second ;-) Ah, I see ;-) Actually, the FPGA is a bit bored; it could serve even more and wider bands, but our current server PC can't handle that, unless I reduce the maximum number of listeners. > Yes, it was me "stealing" the audio from the Twente receiver - hope > you don't mind! No, I don't mind at all. In fact, I already guessed it was you, based on the server's user list, but I'm happy to now know for sure. > I did set the carrier to a low frequency (300 Hz) so that WSPR can > cope with the samplerate interpolation. Ok. When I manage to run the WSPR decoder here locally, that samplerate interpolation problem can be eliminated. B.t.w., our LF and MF grabber is running again, on: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html I had to stop it earlier this week because of a programming error that caused it to take way too much computational effort. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a744b48d2f434b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:03:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA064-a744b48d2f434b; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:03:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgZn-0008TG-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTgZn-0008T7-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTgZl-0005Qa-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:02:19 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so68546453yxe.30 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BwAgmggg2QYYtXkpT4/Oum8QOuYGszVJ10gLPlGnFyU=; b=xN24ZgXo///vASeuP5YeBAYalXTkOuVmWCSLACbOnzS5rIan55qCWhmhGS9BawwbRI gBoNDV7kBMyHtphqmNlfD/RW2s8p8VPH/MG1ylq8Z0h7P4m3vYrCkkAatZIvcqFaXpFf XM6tnhutD5Et8bnI9TJdABS0omlVQ6xqIonOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RrKs2i0RSIBGTLqaT0zaLJFRv8iqmlgaNw8TMTFv/Z9LPr++HerzAwWMGooMi38POJ tesib2FaCV4PSRLSjRpwfmVUAatxkErN5H0H9Nl5cfxjacch9srvnf+RiWIyqicJ2ywo bsbNPHu6rUNTiG2urriR1Bzh4n/jHmv4PO8zY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.88.10 with SMTP id q10mr46715065ybl.191.1263063731291; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002601ca9158$9d6ac450$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:02:11 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ba0b653e1b173595 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001091102y11027aadrff77566487ca2d32@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m209.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Perhaps we don't wish to. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/9 mal hamilton > Dead End mode > The freq is swamped by repeative data from several stations that are strong > enough to work in either QRS3 or CW MODE. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* KKorn42@aol.com > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: WSPR LA3? > > OK, Lee, > 'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train. Sri! > > It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used. > > Or are we lured into a dead end ..... > > 73 > de > Klaus > dj6lb > > --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

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 --000e0cd47ed2084817047cbff106-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-9fb4b579a2b169; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG025-9fb4b579a2b169; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:05:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXkWd-00032T-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXkWd-00032K-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:51 +0000 Received: from mcgi76.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXkWa-00028t-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:03:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi76.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi76.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BA217029 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.13.114] by mcgi76.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:37 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:03:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20100116201626.GK14727@cs.utwente.nl> Message-Id: <818345258.1264032217.49298088.7019@mcgi76.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: grabber at Twente WebSDR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=WEIRD_PORT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Pieter-Tjerk, LF! Congratulations! Actually activity on the 137 at the 137.700 around into QRSS-3/10, 137.777 TA-window, 136.320 EU window QRSS-60 to 120-240. Orient to DF6NM grabber, for example: http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm 80m's LW without loading coil is not good idea for all time, for the start only. The other grabber links onto my grabber page: http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Roman * Pieter-Tjerk de Boer [Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:26 +0100]: > Hello all, > > I've added an experimental 137 kHz "grabber" to the Twente WebSDR > receiver. It can be found at > http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/grabber.html > The receiver is located in JO32KF, in Enschede in the east of the > Netherlands. The antenna currently is an end-fed 80m long wire on > the roof of a 40m high building. > > However, I'm rather new to amateur LF activity, so I don't know whether > the frequency range and scroll speed are appropriate for typical QRSS > activity on this band; comments on this are welcome! > > 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.205]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5ebc4b54b124354; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:06:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0B2D438000136; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWwuM-00062A-FQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWwuL-000621-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:02 +0000 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWwuL-0002VN-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 44058 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2010 19:04:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263841495; bh=GDfVufl2LNlZ7mzbHk0aCsSqCU24K6+dBkNNhaj+otM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uWZTTlFnRidTr+3n16zgg5VTowe+Lj1vVtCw98isMjnowx+4l67FOR8UDOTgeW/AJG0H/SbqeqeHKlj6hGxj6TkM3e7IbMn8GFuk9lTA1clL+vSvAPmX5K2TAJ9XxOnRISvNRy/vxAkzx5AUgru0f5ZC/Bw5Or5s5QQi8PNfKUk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ahfUIHawDhwsg6BBhbn1BKwzW3U7YrqgqjnZP5lX68hTyaeI0+2XFPCO2k+N7AGw2LEK4NR+mIVpYBAg77aM8WUh4pdQLVq0SB90190B/+KeGb0O++PTdIui85/WpwJ2E3w1yAlSwNtekW/cGQXC7cqvbFEcjENr8Hca2QmkGK4=; Message-ID: <564367.44046.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D6ClO1UVM1nEVLKxvszKGH0sWqxel4LZyPUxWnZQgbpIwQVMo0JXt4VcCOjpF4mnUrI6sZFznA3xbAr3TaN4JXjR7A6nsdm0KRgEX75MignLDWcGSVEZXbkhtZVQIVTEAWEjnYmzCFSRH9WE3SAsSO3NQI1RIwNBq_ivV43_y5Rky9NcaoAapEMEjxsQzGt8VFW8qSFjcML85kiKmYhVBU6HM5U3hV0Db0ajuCDNmKmlZx6x_r_slAGhHEX3lxhvVcPtXXcMGpKothjn Received: from [81.152.103.93] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:04:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B54A3D3.6040408@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4b54b121269c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there! 73 es GL petefmt --- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski wrote: From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? To: "137khz" Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09 Dear=C2=A0 LF group, I know, it is=C2=A0 rather=C2=A0 outside=C2=A0 of a regular=C2=A0 LF/MF=C2= =A0 issues, however i=C2=A0 thought it would=C2=A0 be interesting to some= readers... Recently,=C2=A0 i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file=C2=A0 for more details, especially about= hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) -=C2=A0 for me, it is simply=C2=A0 a sor= t of "entertainment"=C2=A0 being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine=C2=A0 a construction of=C2=A0 uplink/downlink=C2=A0 setup on= board a satellite=C2=A0 including=C2=A0 miniwhip antenna for=C2=A0 RX'ing= =C2=A0 of=C2=A0 LF/MF=C2=A0 signals and sending them back to earth=C2=A0 on 70 cm=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 ( one could= chase=C2=A0 his/her own signal=C2=A0 playing with Doppler etc.. or simply= =C2=A0 make a qso...) Of course, the above price covers=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0rocket launch . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A073 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth:=C2=A0 Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought=C2=A0 i could throw-in=C2=A0 a 'penny' , say, 100 $=C2= =A0 so=C2=A0 adding other 79=C2=A0 members ( i mean , their penny) of this= group and we=C2=A0 may have our "LF/MF toy"=C2=A0 in space=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0:)=C2=A0=20 =20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fancy a trip Mal? Good DX up there!

= 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Mon, 18/1/10, Piotr M=C5=82ynarski &l= t;sq7mpj@toya.net.pl> wrote:

From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net= .pl>
Subject: LF: LF/MF into space???
To: "137khz" <rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org>
Date: Monday, 18 January, 2010, 18:09

Dear  LF group,
I know, it is  rather&= nbsp; outside  of a regular  LF/MF  issues, however i = thought it would  be interesting to some readers...
Recently,&nbs= p; i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit:
http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1= .htm
{ please, read also the pdf file  for more details, espec= ially about hardware and software already included in this Kit }
Ok, du= e to its price ( 8.000 US$) -  for me, it is simply  a sort of= "entertainment"  being amateur radio related, however,
i can imag= ine  a construction of  uplink/downlink  setup onboard a sa= tellite  including  miniwhip antenna for  RX'ing  of&n= bsp; LF/MF  signals
and sending them back to earth  on 70 cm&= nbsp; band  ( one could chase  his/her own signal  playing= with Doppler etc.. or simply  make a qso...)
Of course, the above price covers=    rocket launch .

         = ;                     &n= bsp;  73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:  Lodz/jo91rs/
p.s. i= just thought  i could throw-in  a 'penny' , say, 100 $  so=   adding other 79  members ( i mean , their penny) of this group= and we  may have
our "LF/MF toy"  in space   = :) 


=20 --0-1166130273-1263841495=:44046-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.94]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854b4aeabc38d; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:09:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29F1F3800010E; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUGFp-0000FO-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUGFp-0000FF-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUGFm-0004IC-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8551C2C9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAFE31E706 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:09 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:15 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3899494==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405e4b4aeabb36b0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_3899494==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent last night: PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in Texas: 2010-01-11 03:20 PA0A 0.503899 -27 0 JO33de 5 KL1X/5 EM26ar 7546 302 Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X (7066km). Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range. TA crossings west to east: WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km) WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km) TA crossings east to west: PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km) M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km) SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km) G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km) Also: There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible. Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots) Another remarkable thing: Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km) Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote: >2010-01-11 >02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 KL1X BP51ip 7066 347 > > >PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m > >Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North. > >73 > >Laurence KL 1 X >(remote ops) > > >---------- >Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >Get it now. --=====================_3899494==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I just had a look at the WSPR database an condx must have been excellent last night:
PA0A can not only copied by KL1X in Alaska (7066km) but also by KL1X/5 in Texas:

2010-01-11 03:20   PA0A   0.503899   -27   0   JO33de   5   KL1X/5   EM26ar   7546   302

Counting the "uniques" there were 3 paths of +7000km: gold for PA0A-KL1X/5 (7546km), silver for WD2XSH/10-DL4RAJ (7378km) and bronze for PA0A-KL1X (7066km).
Further 10 paths in the 6000-7000km range and 16 paths in the 5000-6000km range.

TA crossings west to east:
WD2XSH/10 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 7378km)
WD2XSH/17 was copied by 9 Europeans (best DX DL4RAJ = 6251km)

TA crossings east to west:
PA0A was copied by 6 Americans (best DX KL1X/5 = 7546km)
M0BMU was copied by 3 Americans (best DX WA3USG = 5792km)
SM6BHZ was copied by 2 Americans (best DX W1VD = 5935km)
G4JNT was copied by 1 American (best DX W1VD = 5437km)

Also:
There were 23 spots of PA0A by WD2XSH/17 and 14 spots of WD2XSH/17 by PA0A, a 2 way WSPR QSO would have been possible.
Maybe also for M0BMU - WD2XSH/17 (15 / 8 spots)

Another remarkable thing:
Last night I had 16 spots of WD2XSH/10 (6225km) and "only" 6 spots of WD2XSH/17 (5598km)
Both claim the same ERP (2 Watt)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 04:06 11/01/2010, you wrote:
2010-01-11 02:54   PA0A   0.503899   -25   0   JO33de   5   KL1X   BP51ip   7066   347
 
 
PAOA into Alaska on WSPR 600m
 
Really awful night up in Alaska too - 60 knot winds from the North.
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X
(remote ops)

Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
--=====================_3899494==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG102-a094b4efb232e2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:08:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG043-a094b4efb232e2; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:08:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVNXP-0007Pm-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVNXP-0007Pd-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVNXN-00088Y-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:51 +0000 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so5803553pzk.16 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:06:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=97wF7fqQ2wRDS1PIVtUytPIZQqqoCZhOUdZPt9CUlL4=; b=Y9SlJClKuOLL+bHSDR4S6bpWOeLaVWti4LOKAF+INFWlr1x5oUtZ0rxAeZ5RwhZmtu XAG7m+meuXc/0ge2jAOEwxHYIaDgtKiB/mZKe77k4ihcpNC1MdUPU+vKQ1v5jB4gqIX1 xL8rcB4Tjt02WXQ6Kcy2bUMkcBRrc1W59RjP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IkG149xiSeWH/eb0UloTq1EkKTfIaq/J77SP5C0AbRAHcHbcJIc9QNAGWvoVWvZiug hMyjHw7SMS4S8V+EbvoQ/3tO9QgNPmYELIGkcCd4+GfR4ipx3CwJLeGJMUHFY46HkPLh iLCC8ZKBSdRR7bmjHtcwyxo0JUQLJcuH4Fr80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.4.4 with SMTP id g4mr473579rvi.213.1263467191223; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:06:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:06:30 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33af5dd3bc0aa06e Message-ID: <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi guys, Yes it was LA3EQ, started getting decodes as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert, I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an hour or so warm up. Thanks all the comments. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/13 James Moritz > Dear LF Group, > > ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a > better IF frequency from the drift point of view. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" < > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > > > > over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from >> 503848 to 503885 >> >> 73, Rik >> > > > --000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys,

Yes it was LA3EQ, =A0started getting decodes= as the drift flattened out. 50 MHz to 500 kHz is a long way to transvert,= I use 4 MHz & as far as I am aware no drift problems after half an ho= ur or so warm up.

Thanks all the comments.

Gary= - G4WGT.

2010/1/13 James Moritz <james.mor= itz@btopenworld.com>
Dear LF Group,

...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be= a better IF frequency from the drift point of view.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kule= uven.be>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift



over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from 503= 848 to 503885

73, Rik



--000e0cd113261e46f2047d1de121-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-8bf44b6444da327; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:40:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 349C43800011A; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbETk-0002mn-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NbETk-0002me-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NbETh-0001D1-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:16 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so5804743pxi.30 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U4+aaKbAZ7HSHhe5wOZegJ0a/TMcjuQcGW6TLIJu0HA=; b=ryOxzENBDZDLncdNRDx/U7nBSC0bFNI52uBdl4NMuZD+XcZohc9E741Yr5f9X8mfho 2UCcTcE0qep4TCz0ZaO0yxMRg5y8LWv8aayt5PL5nWWS3oZhE2Wsoc5O6SADeJJxipJW w9AAI/UmUAogsXgQc3IOFLwBghvwHxNI6VDek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=a9AS0t1Afgeogvj+G72iFyi5HUKZg5enCsEaXZerkl/HVBVpmHS1vq2qO2phkM83Sp XGF6pRmKqJPz8DAAi9fm7UfCkqchS7ax638CILKFMhs/uTOF4fdfjPCF9M/D01VJX56j 5GuP/zXM2yXhXu4L4ryoqYSYu+m7R8tpMtib0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr1506746rvi.192.1264862345638; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:39:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6b30473de15a3654 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001300639j2b9c3890g3eafa799562f440e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: "LF Group (RSGB)" DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 502.200 kHz GB4FPR correction Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6444d97a7c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi LF, Frequency in use should be *502.000 kHz*. 73, Gary. On 30 January 2010 14:34, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi LF, > > Listen for GB4FPR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, > testing at the moment 1430utc. > > Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very welcome. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > --000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF,

Frequency in use should be 502.000 kHz.

73, =A0Gary.

On= 30 January 2010 14:34, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi LF,

Listen for GB4F= PR operating from Fort Perch Rock, Wallasey, Merseyside, testing at the mo= ment 1430utc.

Calls/replies (& reports to LF Group) will be very= welcome.

73, Gary - G4WGT =A0

--000e0cd1191ecd3424047e62b691-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b43a6f297; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:54:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 294FD3800017E; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSGOu-0005Da-D8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSGOt-0005DR-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSGOr-0003UJ-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:53:11 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so10769088pwj.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:53:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vXljGrGXH/6WLdXnVYNrMtT1oROo+vQGoKqJspda+ao=; b=uI7+xZ0scPNhMH+00sRmaScEY9jntOcVNJuO+mk51F3gu4uTjLHlWVZZnhSRw/Zrvq 3yb3M0CqY/K/wpsBt5NINDz2Sy0uuim21tnOqoy8+FIpY3oICS+R+wn/V+bDD8bpaP37 hoPYLpCwvT9UvAfGlN+HzQG2UQVNTikUr6SUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RuxrD5r8gexudF8FUukwlyS11yDxypmOHLWBIxvl55qqLlZFSVvYbuw4ocmiTALpY3 stIOVCAKS5Jo2bFEs2UwwkCUyw+CgNUvamgh5nIUBYWWMd/hMrXjzHpFq1TsFhLztx9t bkmRLgmM4xlVITaErmRrOPHVxaBxv+EHt7Tvc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr16814208rvi.31.1262724781970; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:53:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:53:01 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf60425f7669317c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051253p319c8cd8v15ee5aabc9f2172a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd10952141784047c71063a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b43a6f16046 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd10952141784047c71063a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Victor, OK now, the WSPR signal looks OK & good strength here. The spots are coming on the WSPR spots page OK now. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO 2010/1/5 > Hello Gary, > > that was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the > soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time being, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*Namens *Gary - G4WGT > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16 > *Aan:* Rsgb_Lf_Group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 > > Hi, > > Look at this capture. > > Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 > minute period. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > --000e0cd10952141784047c71063a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor,

OK now, the WSPR signal looks OK & good str= ength here. The spots are coming on the WSPR spots page OK now.
=
73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO

2010/1/5 <vict= or13@online.nl>
Hello=20 Gary,
=A0
that=20 was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the=20 soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time=20 being,
=A0
73
Victor=
PA3FNY=
-----Oo= rspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary -=20 G4WGT
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16
Aan:= =20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up= -=20 2

Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can se= e the=20 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi= =20 All,
 
Anyo= ne come across=20 these?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA95DF.DB332C10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.96]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34b503d661da; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 918A8380000B4; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0T-0006J1-Pn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVj0T-0006Is-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVj0Q-0001EP-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9052F51C012 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F95F3862 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:02:10 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9afca2641001150136y3dd5706akb218b79aa382ce07@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100115100201.88F95F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR_500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7833917==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40604b503d6445db X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_7833917==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, it's only 337km but since I started WSPR this=20 morning (06:10UTC) you are 100% copy. Maybe we should try a QRSS QSO (or CW/QRSS QSO) one of these days. A WSPR/CW QSO would also be possible. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:36 15/01/2010, you wrote: >Lubos, > >Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR.=20 >You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record=20 >for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached= 990kms. > >73s >Roger > >2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> >Hello OM=B4s! >I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at=20 >night and than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK: > >0458 -20 -1.3 0.503943 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0500 -26 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0500 -17 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0502 -21 -1.1 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0506 -22 -1.3 0.503949 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0508 -27 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0510 -26 -1.3 0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0512 -23 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0514 -27 0.4 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0514 -29 -1.3 0.503950 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0518 -23 -1.2 0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0520 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0522 -27 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0524 -13 2.0 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0526 -28 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0528 -12 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0530 -24 -1.0 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0534 -27 -1.3 0.503952 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0536 -29 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0536 -26 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0538 -24 -1.2 0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0540 -25 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0544 -24 -1.1 0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0546 -14 2.1 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0550 -29 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0556 -19 2.2 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0600 -26 0.3 0.503875 0 G4JNT IO90 23 >0600 -14 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0602 -26 -1.1 0.503942 1 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0608 -15 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0608 -19 -1.2 0.503941 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0616 -12 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0620 -19 2.4 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0620 -24 -1.2 0.503942 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0624 -26 -1.3 0.503948 0 LA3EQ JO28 23 >0626 -21 2.3 0.503924 0 SM6BHZ JO57 27 >0656 -23 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0700 -23 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0704 -21 0.0 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0712 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0720 -13 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0724 -22 0.0 0.503899 1 PA0A JO33 37 >0728 -16 0.2 0.503900 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0734 -16 0.1 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0740 -19 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0744 -19 0.4 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 >0750 -25 0.2 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 > >73! > >Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > >************************************** > > > >---------- >Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly.=20 >Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten= prav=FD? > > > > >-- > >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=====================_7833917==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger,

it's only 337km but since I started WSPR this morning (06:10UTC)  you are 100% copy.
Maybe we should try a QRSS QSO (or CW/QRSS QSO) one of these days.
A WSPR/CW QSO would also be possible.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 10:36 15/01/2010, you wrote:
Lubos,

Keep looking for G3XBM please on 500kHz WSPR. You are >1000kms away and would be new DX record for me. I am, of course, only running 1mW ERP, but have already reached 990kms.

73s
Roger

2010/1/15 Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
Hello OM=B4s!
I had improved something on my pre-amplifier at night and than I watched WSPR station around sunrise in OK:

0458 -20 -1.3   0.503943  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0500 -26  0.4   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0500 -17  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0502 -21 -1.1   0.503948  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0506 -22 -1.3   0.503949  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0508 -27  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0510 -26 -1.3   0.503951 -2 LA3EQ JO28 23
0512 -23  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0514 -27  0.4   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0514 -29 -1.3   0.503950  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0518 -23 -1.2   0.503951 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0520 -14  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0522 -27 -1.2   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0524 -13  2.0   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0526 -28 -1.3   0.503952  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0528 -12  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0530 -24 -1.0   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0534 -27 -1.3   0.503952  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0536 -29  0.3   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0536 -26  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0538 -24 -1.2   0.503953 -1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0540 -25  2.2   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0544 -24 -1.1   0.503945 -3 LA3EQ JO28 23
0546 -14  2.1   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0550 -29 -1.1   0.503942  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0556 -19  2.2   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0600 -26  0.3   0.503875  0 G4JNT IO90 23
0600 -14  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0602 -26 -1.1   0.503942  1 LA3EQ JO28 23
0608 -15  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0608 -19 -1.2   0.503941  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0616 -12  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -19  2.4   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0620 -24 -1.2   0.503942  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0624 -26 -1.3   0.503948  0 LA3EQ JO28 23
0626 -21  2.3   0.503924  0 SM6BHZ JO57 27
0656 -23  0.0   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0700 -23  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0704 -21  0.0   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0712 -16  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0720 -13  0.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0724 -22  0.0   0.503899  1 PA0A JO33 37
0728 -16  0.2   0.503900  0 PA0A JO33 37
0734 -16  0.1   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0740 -19  0.3   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0744 -19  0.4   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37
0750 -25  0.2   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hi LF,
Capture 137.775.5khz
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
capture 06-01.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Graham Brown - G0NBD DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/53768 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74b5ca5c42b77 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 --000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Here is the picture so far. Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 Lubos OK2BVG > Hello Graham, LF! > I saw your signal on 503kHz. > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > > ------------------------------ > From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 > Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz > > Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 > > Set dial 501.500 : USB > Audio set 1500 Hz > Mode PSK63F Digital sstv > > Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! > > Reports ? > > Tnx - Graham > G0NBD > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. > --000e0cd0eaeab8321f047dee6cf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham,

Here is the picture so far.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/24 Lubos OK2B= VG <bvgbob@hotm= ail.com>
Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN= 88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV= 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=A0 fro= m=20 Multipsk on 503.000
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Set=A0 dial=A0 501.500 : USB <= /div>
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode=A0 PSK63F Digital sstv=A0=
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Very slow data=A0 rate .....=A0 might= =A0=20 take a=A0 while to=A0 show=A0 1 line !
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Reports ?
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Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
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--000e0cd0eaeab8322f047dee6cf6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-a0764b43b3a53b; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:48:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D094A3800009D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSHFA-0005O6-8o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSHF9-0005Nx-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:47:11 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSHF6-0003g4-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 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Thread-Index: AcqOI8Bei1pUWnYfQiexK/gfckVkFgAK5iJy References: <1160510449@web.de> <4B4205DF.2010806@inext.at> <003901ca8e22$e7e90200$6402a8c0@e7010> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.659;05.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.5.213040 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8E50.A0258847" Subject: AW: LF: oe5odl ZAA? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b43b3a31c60 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8E50.A0258847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fully agree with Walters opinion! You have a very good station and do a= good job in activating the band! We all profite of the active stations.= If there would be no activity, nobody would start to do the lot of work= that has to be done to become qrv. And so, the band would slowly become= quiete... =20 We should see us, the Lowfers, as a community of active OMs (are there YLs= ?) who are fascinated by the technic and the noise and the weak signals an= d the contest/ssb-free zone, perhaps by the stressless way to communicate= and so on, but not as competitors... =20 awdh!! =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Walter und Marianne= Staubach Gesendet: Di 05.01.2010 17:19 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? Hallo Ossi, please stay on frequency. We need your signal. I think it was only one who saw a crocodile. Don`t worry. 73 and best fer 2010 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl ZAA? > entschuldige mich bei allen lfers fuer diese aussendung "happy new year= " > da die meinung vorherscht crocodile haben hier nichts zu suchen werde > ich meine aussendungen auf lf einstellen 73 > oe5odl ossi > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > Dear Ossi, > > also received ur sigs on Jaynuary 1st 2010. We want to use our bands= for experiments, not to occupy a frequency for running a continuous tape strip "happy new year od5odl". Beacon operation of course, with an self explanin= g message, i. e : beacon, callsign, locator, pwr, pse qsl to etc. > > But beacon operation not in the centre of the qrss segment of the band= , with no possibility for a two-way qso. Otherwise specifiy trasnmission as TEST or QST message. > > Crocodile operation (big mouth, little ears) is not an appreciated amateur mode. > > > > 55, > > Hans-Albrecht > > DK 8 ND > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: "Oberreiter Oswald" > >> Gesendet: 01.01.10 12:06:00 > >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Betreff: Re: LF: odl > >> > > > > > > > >> Hallo victor ! > >> tu fer pic testing new antenna > >> running good in the new year hi > >> happy new year > >> 73 oe5odl ossi > >> victor13@online.nl schrieb: > >> > >>> Happy new year to all, > >>> > >>> captured ODL this morning > >>> 137710 Hz > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> Victor > >>> PA3FNY > >>> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > 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H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: csrvJswVM1kcxG8EaPaQyaTlrYPPP6ojXQk2w30s0Bn6rzKxaVw8dJbFvKUGO7235DujTXVE52pCq98wMWmN83B_AzFVsxgmxQFspcO3GvPR8KiWhXVm49eOV_4S8RJViGm5SuSnWZb4tYTM77DWDeogpF4qiRcBN.JZuabzwxUCAPjI8co4cgYhtS.U5gmYDrj2KeiRUw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <5A29ACB14E1247B691E50346BE54AC5F@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:10:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRM - Frost on railway overhead lines. 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Hi all,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA905B.8F93C410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.201]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-86074b5b5fe01d6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0490038000042; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmqH-0007zv-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYmqG-0007zm-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:24 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYmqE-0007xD-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94b5b5fde7efa X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.20]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA032-b5114b58d59a229; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:30:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6AF53380000F6; 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c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FBZVGR8nlM2nhv43SzD/OqbXPYlQZ+u5ddtxe6r8dTGy8hWY/dikf+X3+bRpwQIVHX 0h1ttUFr9G2MHmvUndSOHqHKClsIIhWS+9uEy8dBmIzjH9rdmMEQG7Fe9IS/wy7ORVrE DL+VZiUESZTDYrqaLFp8eDaD214Wnli9Iwx9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.137.199 with SMTP id m7mr225354hbm.95.1264112978222; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211410t4aa2363au5f926674702f514f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:29:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60144b58d5983e2a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah... I wonder. Jim's DT setting for your sigs is around +2 seconds. Which means in the opposite direction it would be -2s. This is a bit marginal. The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I *think* the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s negative and up to 6s positive to allow for the EME delay. But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends if it has the same time-search margin. Would have thought it does. Unless Jim's timing is out.....? Just a thought. WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > OK Andy, > > Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am currently > on 80m decoding fine with JT65A. > > Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set for 1, the rate > shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003. I would say that > is OK. > > I will try again tomorrow. > > Thanks again. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > >> may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you?. Not >> B...G. >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> Andy, >>> >>> You wrote :- >>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>> >>> Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always >>> within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those >>> figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified >>> in the manual. >>> >>> There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in >>> the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is >>> that of any help to me? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot >>> >>> Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>>> This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and >>>> safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, >>>> but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>> >>>>> LF, >>>>> >>>>> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >>>>> >>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >>>>> >>>>>> LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>>>>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>>>>> >>>>>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>>>>> replies. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah...
I wonder.
=A0
Jim's DT setting for your sigs =A0is around +2 seconds.=A0=A0 Whi= ch means in the opposite direction it would be -2s.=A0=A0 This is a bit ma= rginal.=A0=A0 The WSJT modes were designed originally for EME, and I t= hink the acceptable time window is assymetric, being around 2s=A0nega= tive and up to 6s positive to allow for the=A0EME delay.
=A0
But if you're decoding JT65A on HF all OK, not too sure - depends= if it has the same time-search margin.=A0 Would have thought it does.=A0= =A0 Unless Jim's timing is out.....?
=A0
Just a thought.=A0=A0 WSPR is probably more tolerant of timing and it= certainly doesn't need to be assymetric in its search.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
OK Andy,=20

Any suggestion is welcome but yes I do have it set for JT4A, I am cur= rently on 80m decoding fine with JT65A.

Looked at the Rate in & out in setup/options & are both set= for 1, the rate shown at the bottom left is usually very close to 1.0003.= I would say that is OK.

I will try again tomorrow.

Thanks again.

Gary - G4WGT.

2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>
may be egg-sucking-lecture, but you have got JT4A set haven't you= ?.=A0 Not B...G.
2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
Andy,=20

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is alw= ays within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch thos= e figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range sp= ecified in the manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no= description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but= not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@go= oglemail.com>=20

Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.









--001485f44f3a05de32047db43dfb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a8c4b5831e0267; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:52:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b5831e0267; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:52:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXudE-0004Vt-EU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXudE-0004Vk-32 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXudB-0005BJ-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:51:20 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWL007UFFHAXK@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:51:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:51:05 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 21-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sGaZvui8SLOQ3bwIAcyJvA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_sGaZvui8SLOQ3bwIAcyJvA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ)" --Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF, Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 21-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_VxMU65E1QIlwtIu2ui8DpQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren LF,
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b48a54d21db X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only WSPR V2 can decode compound callsigns which are sent in 2 consecutive transmissions. In the second tx the call is sent as a hash-code which can not be decoded on its own. Most probably this is the case here. I can not hear it here at present - otherwise I would try. 73 de Klaus dj6lb --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only WSPR V2 can decode compound callsigns which are sent in 2 consec= utive=20 transmissions. In the second tx the call is sent as a hash-code which can= not be=20 decoded on its own.
Most probably this is the case here.
I can not hear it here at present - otherwise I would try.
 
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb
 --part1_10444.c7b410.3879fefc_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-a8064b60a9a4102; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:01:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 68577380000E5; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEzr-0004mg-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaEzq-0004mX-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:18 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaEzo-0006VZ-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:18 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069956815D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:14 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: RE: WSPR Reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174b60a9a21e6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rik,Andy, normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decodes down to -32 dB although rare... 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR Reports Andy, maybe the "magic" lies in a narrow filter (either IF or audio). If I switch from a 2.5kHz (SSB) filter to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR values reported by WSPR. Unfortunaely it hardly affects the decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that rises by almost the same amount. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: WSPR Reports Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or is it a just a case of being in a very quiet location... These are pretty impressive S/N values 2010-01-27 20:14 G4JNT 0.503875 +13 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:08 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 20:02 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 2010-01-27 20:00 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:54 G7NKS 0.503920 -5 0 IO92ub +20 0.100 F6CNI JN19qb 422 262 2010-01-27 19:54 G4JNT 0.503875 +14 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:44 G4JNT 0.503875 +10 0 IO90iv +23 0.200 F6CNI JN19qb 391 243 2010-01-27 19:40 PA0A 0.503900 +15 0 JO33de +37 5.012 F6CNI JN19qb 502 312 Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Rik,Andy,
 
normally I use a 250 Hz USB filter for wspr,I get decode= s down to -32 dB=20 although rare...
 
73
 
Victor
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik=20 Strobbe
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari 2010 21:33
Aa= n:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: RE: WSPR=20 Reports

Andy,
 
maybe the "magic"= lies in a narrow=20 filter (either IF or audio).
If I switch from a 2.5kH= z (SSB) filter=20 to a 270 Hz filter I also get a significant increase in SNR val= ues=20 reported by WSPR.
Unfortunaely it hardly= affects the=20 decoding level (minimal SNR needed to get a positive decode), that= rises by=20 almost the same amount.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Andy Talbot=20 [andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 27 januari= 2010=20 21:26
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR Reports

Has F6CNI managed some sort of magic noise reduction system, or= is it a=20 just a case of being in a very quiet location...
These are pretty impressive S/N values
 
 
 2010-01-27 20:14   G4JNT   0.503875   +13   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:08   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 20:02   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 2010-01-27 20:00   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G7NKS   0.503920   -5   0   IO92ub   +20   0.100   F6CNI   JN19qb   422   262 
 2010-01-27 19:54   G4JNT   0.503875   +14   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:44   G4JNT   0.503875   +10   0   IO90iv   +23   0.200   F6CNI   JN19qb   391   243 
 2010-01-27 19:40   PA0A   0.503900   +15   0   JO33de   +37   5.012   F6CNI   JN19qb   502   312 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA9F9C.1AE2DBB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5c44b5ca9ed3dd; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG051-5c44b5ca9ed3dd; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:13:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8or-0000eN-Gm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ8or-0000eE-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ8op-00023w-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:25 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC7D81C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F6A11C0009C for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.56]) by mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2059F1C0009A for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:12:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100124201217132.2059F1C0009A@mwinf3404.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:12:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Gary for the off air picture .. G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from Multipsk on 503.000 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 Very slow data rate ..... might take a while to show 1 line ! Reports ? Tnx - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Gary for the  off&nb= sp; air =20 picture  ..
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /FONT>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 




------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01CA9D31.86472BD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-86274b5dfedd1fa; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E832F38000085; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZVWD-0005Ux-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZVWD-0005Uo-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZVWA-0002sq-RS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de (fwd08.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZVW4-0004JZ-RQ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:32 +0100 Received: from e7010 (XdwtwsZYrhVCJ4-FWObF7H9Whbjk2Azq2r60ETf4X+aZ6t5ZILN8yyIBfaJ2qnawND@[84.147.243.152]) by fwd08.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NZVW3-0ijTHM0; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01ca9dfc$ae073db0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: XdwtwsZYrhVCJ4-FWObF7H9Whbjk2Azq2r60ETf4X+aZ6t5ZILN8yyIBfaJ2qnawND X-TOI-MSGID: 63a0c99c-a0aa-4e37-aeac-4f4eeb6beb5d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG WHISPERing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60914b5dfedb0f96 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The beacon DI2AG is on 505,090 in WHISPER. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The beacon DI2AG is on 505,090 in=20 WHISPER.
73  Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF<= /DIV>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA9E05.0F7C2620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.27]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-8b814b5d4fee11c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:01:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0AFE138000090; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZJrz-0003Sa-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZJry-0003SR-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:22 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJrw-0005pY-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:00:22 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0P80EQA047728 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 Message-ID: <7058406e0f760b568d29f756c8036bdc.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6455F2A2AB2A44939CB63B9E20A268BF@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:00:19 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601b4b5d4fec259c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Z on 509 kHz is the upper sideband of NDB Zilnia from Slovakia. The carrier is at 508 kHz. BL is the lower sideband of a UNID with the carrier at 510 kHz. Location probably northern Africa. I hope this helps. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB074-869b4b58a55c1ca; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:05:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F5613800009C; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2Jt-0006SY-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY2Jt-0006SP-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY2Jr-00087k-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:53 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so190777pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=i8YkKBJ0j3M7qcXUOvekwFPpKaDvXeHYlGecpksnVWI=; b=SscwrFpSuxn+kpLLCHDRkiBmdjGY4OfF8FCjdQZGn/R2NOXdcThkXr/cxdhDH6UOpI kaHGyAl02ClOUTFLolP0SAjJGq7Owy17VXzLzodb/ECHntcJzOaKmJ/9RVsDhHG6UWcS b4MNcE3XCJvTi7iVjrkvzBCguDKMHXNeMwmIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=d09nIslM1c9qJLRd63Nt+cJ1scNiU6VLNIbMI0hw5YfHGs9yggZt+LpZl49BWcpNXt j9bqKthflVjljUCklpGKllYWquTYRzYW4APa4uT8iQinF2rewbqQWuV65y2XutCU8xgE JOG/T8t0kG6XmDPLCaoprdvITNeXYxSwPp790= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.4 with SMTP id r4mr6007242rvq.3.1264100623784; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:03:43 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 947164e34297f13d Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b58a55a033d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A replies. 73, Gary - G4WGT. --000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal= on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.
=

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
<= br>


--000e0cd185f2a41be0047db15cfd-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b50e212243; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D501538000099; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtyX-0007mv-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVtyX-0007mm-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVtyV-0006x1-9V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03672000006D for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB48D20000067 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B50E1D9.2050905@toya.net.pl> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: WSPR_test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010107070605030603050701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b50e2103d91 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010107070605030603050701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit victor13@online.nl wrote: > Hello Lubos, > > later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get > positive decodes, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY Dear Victor, LF Group despite consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with my first successful decode of ur wspr signal : 2020 -17 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2032 -13 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2042 -11 0.9 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2050 -12 1.1 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2056 -28 -0.6 0.503970 0 PA3FNY JO22 27 2058 -17 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2108 -13 1.0 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2116 -13 1.3 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2124 -14 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 2134 -13 1.2 0.503903 0 PA0A JO33 37 73, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------010107070605030603050701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable v= ictor13@online.nl wrote:
Hello Lubos,
=A0
later this evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive decodes,
=A0
73
Victor
PA3FNY
Dear Victor, LF Group

despite=A0 consistent decodes of a PA0A signal i am very glad with=A0 my first successful decode
of ur wspr signal :

2020 -17=A0 1.1=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2032 -13=A0 0.9=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2042 -11=A0 0.9=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2050 -12=A0 1.1=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2056 -28 -0.6=A0=A0 0.503970=A0 0 PA3FNY JO22 27
2058 -17=A0 1.0=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2108 -13=A0 1.0=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2116 -13=A0 1.3=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2124 -14=A0 1.2=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37
2134 -13=A0 1.2=A0=A0 0.503903=A0 0 PA0A JO33 37

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 73, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

 --------------010107070605030603050701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-861e4b54ca1537b; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:52:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 337B3380000AD; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyZ1-0006mR-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWyZ1-0006mI-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWyYy-0003OX-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:07 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5DE3B7000088 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5123C7000094 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.65.143]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C63007000088 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:50:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100118205056811.C63007000088@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8F68856579324DFBBDEE947B86E8036D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <009c01ca97a5$7ad44490$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:50:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154b54ca130ff9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Clemens, Mal was looking at 900 Hz spread with 100 Hz separation .. from= you=20 post, you where looking at 1 or 2 Hz spectrum width ? nothing like that shows at Liverpool .. only a random pattern ca= used=20 by the modulation , Gary captured this pattern a while ago > http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/504%20off%201353z%2020090720.jpg G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > Graham, > > the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot. > The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz. > I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz? > Or do I miss your point? > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > > ? > Clemens > > I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is on= ly > across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the = noise=20 > on > spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. > > G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clemens Paul" > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > >> That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. >> Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, >> a bit more than 3Hz below. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "mal hamilton" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >>> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >>> g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> >>>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum= lines >>>> showing, >>>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>>> >>>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.90= 0=20 >>>> and >>>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >>> frequency >>>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>>> >>>> G .. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "mal hamilton" >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> >>>> > >>>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the >>>> > carrier >>>> > 503.4 K/cs >>>> > de mal/g3kev >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "James Moritz" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>>> >> >>>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum: >> 01/17/10 08:35:00 >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum:= =20 > 01/17/10 08:35:00 > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.83]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-86334b3e17dbbb; 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Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:55 +0100 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:41:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqK+O963H9AHp59SUqDRf+szVXpxg== X-ID: VOIMjuZEohqSOgooP+B7XCmsesRtIAcqrr34kscTY10ghYnisRVN7CDr0UN4iGugma X-TOI-MSGID: 48709615-631e-4731-8fe1-e1cbca208f53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2BJ at sundown Friday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60534b3e17b2633f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Group ! Hny to everyone on board :-). DI2BJ will be active from 1545z thru sundown on 505.030 kc today. This is to provide observations thru the decay of D and E layers at the transmitter location. 73 de wolf df2py ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Group !

Hny to everyone on board= J. DI2BJ will be active from 1545z thru sundown on 505.030 kc  today= . This is to provide observations thru the decay of D and E layers at the transmitt= er location.  73 de wolf   df2py<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA8B01.54165BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a654b58cb521b7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA045-a654b58cb521b7; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4ql-0007rw-62 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4qk-0007rn-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:58 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4qi-0000YX-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:58 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so572231pxi.30 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:45:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WzCFHIPICgO9yd4asOCcIvUWcKWWlsef5G6xiN0TI50=; b=oVmkC8zDrB4xu0ucgMDjYABjxE8asByfAffCqXXZ81TXLq+rmiLYY54DgeNUPjI/sx YPl/WTlYIYcoTjHW0xk44/b+gCPJds/ZqlswkbKL63DVfeZTCOdZtT2SP2e3JN9nKURl fNB7XjM4nrlQ6wxu2wpqKJPYMQRxxq0Aoyo7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uB2yNHygS25Y58ibNSSVB/w8rcJpmvTZeSuvyBS+Jfpi7vqqhmHUiHw99Y58FaHpda a6hApPGhGTPgBJIfzoewOQKJBmFi9Tje1TPWDwnorchqWyplNAP98U0F63DzeVOyrFzM PV+Rd9HiECy9+/hL/5S3gc8U0+H0G7m025t0U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr1383763rvq.264.1264110346577; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:45:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:46 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 419a98091b50dc3b Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211345l515b4eabm1e33b2b6c27143af@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andy, You wrote :- Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. Is that displayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always within the recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those figures for stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified in the manual. There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setup menu but no description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition in 7.03 but not documented. Is that of any help to me? 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Andy Talbot > Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > >> LF, >> >> Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT >> >>> LF, >>> >>> I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at >>> each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. >>> >>> In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A >>> replies. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary - G4WGT. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,

You wrote :-
Watch & check your sam= pling rate calibration. for this mode.

Is that di= splayed in the box at the bottom left, if so then it is always within the= recommended figures. I read in the user guide to watch those figures for= stability & I have never seen it go outside the range specified in th= e manual.

There is an "Enable Diagnostics" in the setu= p menu but no description in the use guide (WSJT6), it must be an addition= in 7.03 but not documented. Is that of any help to me?

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/21 Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com><= br>
Watch & check your sampling rate calibration. for this mode.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.



2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >
LF,=20

I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at= each even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any= JT4A replies.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.






--000e0cd1750e2a2962047db3a067-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a774b451557d7; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:57:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b451557d7; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:57:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSenW-0000Wc-Eg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSenW-0000WT-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSenU-0008JZ-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-3-192.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.3.192] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSenT-0001Zf-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:56:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4B4515A0.2010707@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:58:40 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) What I am hearing on 500.1 is the following in 12WPM CW at 2245 BEACON DE SK6RUD = QTH JO6 7KI = PSE RPRT TO www.radiorud.se = Good signal 579 with QSB Regards Peter G3LDO James Moritz wrote: > Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, > > Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the > "12th test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no > callsign or other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the > location is Yemen? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS > > > Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST > on 500 > G3KEV > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.137]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-5ead4b5a219c359; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:07:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 324E93800009E; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRe2-00047e-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYRe2-00047V-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f191.google.com ([209.85.222.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYRe0-0007zs-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:22 +0000 Received: by pzk29 with SMTP id 29so1421305pzk.17 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:06:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IjrDVuK53FYHsFvZkZcsmWWpRxpBOADEnh8/0eTHngg=; b=iV/Ouz8lr5Oimgh0BammWfOXuKGFMK8jiO0TBAptoQ4O9499DRZ1JGeSPPmrwpux3a V81wobHQrRgamA7VniiGOEYlJPECE9yNO9rAjs9h2CLsjW2KceM4eTqTq2d6Lipuu0/7 P43lz47ZF8lU1xgON8XXM9X0gEAX7jnGPeQa4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WEueJrn4bWG73ujVHPt30Um3IiN6BQeBDOff1hMz9KVZHMFqgAgonsdB+lM9OhBHv+ QVexwtlBTcV0QUhi9dvpx9T5J+NqmGdRceWqypehcvNQPPuFyErf8ewUzFEbJsm9XoJ8 xnJmVr/np/YftWkhjSj6HGiFO4reNOFYlgYZQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr2398059rvl.250.1264197971611; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:06:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <20100122220657.0kvbv3do0s48kwo4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100122221736.upoqvds57owwk48s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001221330l439fda94ic5727d558f9b42a@mail.gmail.com> <20100122224744.x4s9d55a28o444sw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:06:11 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fc34286d4fca630c Message-ID: <1f0624b91001221406i43452a27wd87c26c0dc9f16b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40894b5a219a3160 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Thanks for the report & pleased you are getting decodes now. If you click the mouse on the "Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down & click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandpass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by the red marker line on the scale at the top. Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but you will soon catch on :-)) 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail). > But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy. > I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good value > would be 20 or more). > Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the > trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.) > most of the time it is still decoding Jim. > Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value (-2) as > Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Rik, >> >> That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit. >> >> 73, Gary - G4WGT >> >> 2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>> >> >> As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the figures >> WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue: >> Sync = 9 >> dB = -2 >> DT = 0.0 >> DF = -107 >> W = 33 >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> Quoting Rik Strobbe > Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>>: >> >> Hello Gary, Jim, >> >> I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode. >> I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU" and >> a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if >> I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TEST >> M0BMU". >> It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / >> manual, so it is intuitive use. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7) >> >> Quoting Gary - G4WGT >: >> >> LF, >> >> I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome >> any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply >> last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before >> changing Tx operation to CQ calls. >> >> 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Thanks for the report & pleased you are gettin= g decodes now.

If you click the mouse on the &quo= t;Tol" setting box. left click down, right click up, take it down &am= p; click freeze, that will freeze the decode bandwidth to a narrower bandp= ass. But don't forget to click on the wanted signal first. That will= exclude any signal from outside that "Tol" setting indicated by= the red marker line on the scale at the top.

Read the manual Rik, it seems a bit complicated but yo= u will soon catch on :-))

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT.


2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fy= s.kuleuven.be>
Gary,

OK, I just decoded you (see previous mail).
But signals are that strong that CW would be armchair copy.
I guess I have to figure out the sync problem (as I understand a good valu= e would be 20 or more).
Inituitive I assume that tuning into a signal is done by clicking on the= trace, but even if I click on your signal (and see a marker on your freq.= ) most of the time it is still decoding Jim.
Another odd thing: when I decode you you get the same "dB" value= (-2) as Jim, while Jim's signal is a lot stronger.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Rik,

That will be me on 503.600 kHz. I will put the power up a bit.

73, =A0Gary - G4WGT

2010/1/22 Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleu= ven.be>>

As said I haven't read any instructions / manual but maybe the =A0figu= res WSJT7 spits out on the readable copies of Jim may give a clue:
Sync =3D 9
dB =3D -2
DT =3D 0.0
DF =3D -107
W =3D 33

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Rik Strobbe =A0<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be<mailto:Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuv= en.be>>:

Hello Gary, Jim,

I just fired up WSJT7 in JT4A mode.
I can see a very fat trace at 503.460 that decodes as "TEST M0BMU&quo= t; and
a little less fat trace at 503.600 that is probably Gary. But even if
I set the marker on 503.600 (1300Hz audio) I still keep decoding "TES= T
M0BMU".
It is my first test with JT4A and I haven't read the instructions / manual, so it is intuitive use.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: both signals are clearly audible (Jim is S7)

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>>:

LF,

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome
any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply
last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before
changing Tx operation to CQ calls.

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.














--000e0cd13a0a061239047dc807ad-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.152]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-85ff4b50acac2b3; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 689823800014D; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqQA-0002t8-Gl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqQA-0002sz-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqQ8-0005AL-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFADs7UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKNFVgjeBegQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="424991930" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 17:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: <006901ca960c$252ef9d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40984b50acab2c39 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Maybe RTE 2nd harmonic gone wrong? mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4b4a98e88f; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:20:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D6B4F380000BB; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAoA-0007yX-C7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUAoA-0007yO-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.104]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUAo8-0006Q3-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:10 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20100111031859H0400sk599e>; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:19:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B4A989F.1010002@att.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:18:55 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" , 600MRG References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874b4a98e61b6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence KL1X wrote: > 2010-01-11 02:54 PA0A 0.503899 -25 0 JO33de 5 > KL1X BP51ip 7066 347 But that is only 7066 km. Got you beat :) 2010-01-11 03:08 WD2XSH/10 0.503857 -21 0 EM95tg 2 DL4RAJ JN68kj 7378 46 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI051-eac64b6249c83ac; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:36:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 92A1B380000BA; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nagi7-0005I5-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nagi6-0005Hw-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nagi4-0004LV-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:35:50 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi35.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491CD17154 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.15.119] by mcgi35.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:37 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:35:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5A430FD7C1764930A931D68A9C674CB8@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B5C8852.8050604@mail.ru> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AAA@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Message-Id: <294710097.1264732537.160446436.49340@mcgi35.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: UA9CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514b6249c62329 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stefan, LF! UA9CS op.Igor from Ekaterinburg city over the Ural mountains, asiatic=20 russia. We always know him here hi is a very famous op in SAT and in LF too. His signal "S" into mode 90-120-240 are visible so often in Moscow on=20 the RN3AGC grabber. I copy his trace at once, but my rx condition more poor then Andrey's=20 RN3AGC. I can re-send your message to Igor, he can't read RSGB I think. DFCW-3 impossible for your distance I think, his signal are not so=20 strong in Moscow into mode 120/240. Start to SWL him, he is active every day by a beacon. Check his activity= =20 by the russian grabbers in Izhevsk, Asbest and Moscow. His signal visible 100% every day in Izhevsk and Asbest grabbers if that= =20 grabbers still working. 73! Roman * Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer [Sun, 24 Jan 2010=20 20:18:47 +0100]: > Dear LF, > > Does anybody know something about UA9CS? Has anybody already had a QSO > with him on 137? I see his call often in the 137 kHz dx Cluster and > already asked for a sked (per email) but get no answer. He has an > interesting LF web site and seems to be well qrv. Distance for me is=20 abt > 3400km, what would be interesting in DFCW3 ;-) > > Stefan/DK7FC > > * "winmail.dat" -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.203]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b5793282ea; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:35:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0F84B38000052; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk3n-0002jT-VA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXk3n-0002jK-J3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXk3m-0000qN-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from COL122-W18 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:33:56 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:33:56 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2010 23:33:56.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AA5E00:01CA9A29] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_" Subject: LF: WSPR_M0BMU X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4b5793263d80 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim! I am just going to sleep, but I have to sent you a written record: 2322 -4 -0.8 0.503969 0 M0BMU IO91 17 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim!
I am just going to sleep, but I have to sent you a written= record:

2322  -4= -0.8   0.503969  0 M0BMU IO91 17

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 =
Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_b039aa32-2861-4853-bdbf-4cd757049d4d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.216]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064b58c32a8d; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:12:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 244DE3800007C; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Is-0007JM-Jk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NY4Is-0007JD-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:58 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4Im-0000SR-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:57 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so272581pwj.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:10:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HIoJOPtir+I8zkYbjr9XBxrUMCObi7QphcGRYW1oL5I=; b=Dg7Ie0FAibaLTt0IhIN9NrzhBlS/CPHEI1k30tb9nsdWxFou+yuKuhMtjw613pBmTp HNuNDJmjZbRA9tcNwV/xIuFOOTMTKtgbsTrm8rWisPqqiP6WvC7E97/qIXHaf7inZB73 rIJDpOJ7xo8kOVELBAmlhgeRwGaINQz+wMuX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uLDm6rawjDF7U2t/frwc2jrXEvaINEOkdH0LZ5QMv0DynOS32OJ4yEXAX4wZE7x8aA jpY1wkEusZWoUXRXA59/oyhyjubGqgFxyIOt1UxwWZj2kiDXrrfHL24FeDVaR+FzSHxp pyyiIAV6sJTzWgPjqroSKNtYovOcbDdaGqHFA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr1356199rvq.264.1264108244912; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:10:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0624b91001211103t1d10c850t4577a5dc7f0bde62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:44 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: acb60502758ac583 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001211310g2ba4828bv40ecc6879a617ae7@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84b58c329717f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 LF, Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. Not sure why :-(( Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT > LF, > > I am currently transmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each > even minute, the ERP is estimated at 200 mW. > > In a while I will change the message to a CQ call & watch for any JT4A > replies. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > --000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF,

Station calling about 503.670 kHz but no decode. No= t sure why :-((

Gary - G4WGT.

<= div>

2010/1/21 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&g= t;
LF,

I am currently tra= nsmitting a WSJT JT4A test signal on 503.600 kHz at each even minute, the= ERP is estimated at 200 mW.

In a while I will change the message to a CQ call &= ; watch for any JT4A replies.

73,

G= ary - G4WGT.




--000e0cd1750ee54cd3047db32218-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.21]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-5eb64b61f2ef2cd; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B68238000116; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naavb-0003aw-EE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naavb-0003al-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:23 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaavZ-00026Y-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:25:22 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0SKPA3B004174 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.beb.5ceef1c0 (43918) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179161207.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.161.207]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC087-ab8e4b61f2a23c9; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:25:08 -0500 Message-ID: <06D2FCE49D5049D293B2F749823AF7D5@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <003601caa02d$36395560$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154b61f2ed4de3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Andrey, yes your 5 watt beacon was visible here until about 23:15, with maximu= m fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m.=20 73 de Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rn3agc=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon AGC Thanks, Victor! Experiment will not completely successful. At night, the antenna was= covered with ice, the resonance shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and= turned off the transmitter. Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on the grabber DF6NM= . 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Andrey,
 
yes your 5 watt beacon was visible he= re until about=20 23:15, with maximum fieldstrength about 0.25 uV/m.
 
73 de Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rn3agc=
Sent: Thursday, January 28,= 2010 4:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRP-beacon= AGC

Thanks, Victor!
Experiment will not completel= y=20 successful. At night, the antenna was covered with ice,
the reson= ance=20 shifted to 600 Hz. I discovered it at about 03 z and turned off the= =20 transmitter.
Yet the beginning of the transfer could be seen on= the grabber=20 DF6NM.

73 Andrey

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CAA060.5BC1C2D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a1f4b50ec05393; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b50ec05393; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVudf-0000Vh-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVudf-0000VY-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVude-0003z9-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:27:31 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100115222224.KREN4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:24 +0000 Received: from [82.26.162.18] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVuYi-0005b3-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:24 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <20100115213758.2427e447@opc1> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <038401ca9631$35426cb0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqWKx0hSt5RWgmYQnGwSKHkYxaY3QAAshzwAADNcQA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=W1dliW1a85PdsJchGpoA:7 a=4W0BBf5T8ZtIIIIRGcr5bYf8pBkA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=IGp3AnS67dkHxXei:21 a=rSj1chUeeg7cdi9w:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Amateurs using the washing machine??? Good god man....heresy!!! =20 =20 =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 15 January 2010 22:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Cat Whiskers Hi John, Markers were every 15 seconds. Also the whole thing was repeated every 5kHz going up in frequency. If if you look carefully the tips of the whiskers are connected. My thought after reading Laurence's comment on variable freq drive for= a motor that it maybe the hydraulic compactors from the refuse site clos= e by, but I'm sure they're not that sophisticated. But my favoured guess for something more common, is a washing machine= on spin cycle. Don't all start washing please, HI!! 73, Lee. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John P-G Sent: 15 January 2010 21:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Cat Whiskers On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) M0FMT wrote: > Too glib > =A0 > I can visualise the whisker pointing in the direction of time but no= t=20 > the mirror image how does that work. Look like a carrier modulated by a harmonically rich waveform, which= reduces in frequency......=20 then after a time the carrier is modulated by a harmonically rich wave= form that now increases in frequency...... Not too difficult to imagine? What's the time scale on the spectrogram? A motor that slows down, stops and then speeds up? J No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/= 15/10 07:35:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG062-5f74b5780852fb; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:15:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG102-5f74b5780852fb; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:15:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXip6-0000ui-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXip5-0000uS-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXip3-0001Om-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0OALsOV0tUDZUV/2dsb2JhbACCF4YsAYcvjG69JYQ2BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,313,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="299810623" Received: from host-84-13-149-21.opaltelecom.net (HELO laptopcore2) ([84.13.149.21]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 22:14:39 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca9a1d$f538a620$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: G3XBM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeh ! Congratulations Roger. =20 Lubos you have the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap,= my QRPp 200uW ERP is on.. =20 73 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 20 January 2010 22:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM =20 Congratulations, "water pistol" 1200km - a very comfortable margin too. =20 Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/20 Lubos OK2BVG Hello Roger, LF! This moment is just now: 2136 -7 0.2 0.503874 0 G4JNT IO90 23 2142 -29 -0.5 0.503910 1 G3XBM JO02 0 Congratulation! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS _____ =20 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED= informace. =20 =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 17:49:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeh ! Congratu= lations Roger.

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Lubos you have= the Water Pistol, can you now RX a tiny Dripping Tap, my QRPp 200uW ERP is on..

 <= /font>

73

 <= /font>

Eddie= G3ZJO

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 20 January 2010= 22:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM<= /span>

 

Congratulations,=   "water pistol"

1200km - a very comfortable margin too.

 

2010/1/20 Lubos= OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>

Hello Roger, LF!
This moment is just now:

2136  -7  0.2   0.503874  0 G4JNT IO90 23

2142 -29 -0.5   0.503910  1 G3XBM JO02 0

Congratulation!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Windows 7: Kter= =FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.

 

No virus found in this inco= ming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/= 19/10 17:49:00

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA9A1D.F538A620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD082-b854b5345682fd; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD067-b854b5345682fd; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYgd-0007N0-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWYgd-0007Mr-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWYgb-0000Ez-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F33D5700008D for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E61387000096 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.28.180]) by mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A3D3F700008D for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117171307671.A3D3F700008D@mwinf3509.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <002601ca9605$11be0870$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001150919g4adfc9e3g7eb7672cffaf6081@mail.gmail.com> <005401ca960a$76d684d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002801ca9786$7c58b2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <17BA74D16712478BA7BE98EEE32AB402@AGB> <000901ca978d$2edb0910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <008501ca9795$472db6e0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:12:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ? Clemens I think Mal is referring to Hz and not mHz ? .. the tx is only= =20 across the Irish sea from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the noi= se on=20 spec-lab .. sometimes I can listen to the audio .. :( .. G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clemens Paul" Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus. > Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another, > a bit more than 3Hz below. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > > >> The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100= hz >> intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >> >> >>> Carrier is 30 db over the noise floor at Liverpool , no hum li= nes >>> showing, >>> only modulation spread , nothing showing at Birmingham either >>> > http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >>> >>> If it was 100 Hz hum , then the side bands would be , 503.900= and >>> 504.100 .. that was the reason for picking 502.4 as the wspr >> frequency >>> to make use of the 100 Hz window under 504 .. >>> >>> G .. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "mal hamilton" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> >>> > >>> > I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the= =20 >>> > carrier >>> > 503.4 K/cs >>> > de mal/g3kev >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "James Moritz" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM >>> > Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mal, LF Group, >>> >> >>> >> Nothing unusual visible/audible here... >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >>> >> 73 de M0BMU >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.147/2628 - Ausgabedatum:= =20 > 01/17/10 08:35:00 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5eeb4b574bf1a; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:31:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 188DF380001E9; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXfJD-0007Jp-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXfJC-0007Jg-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:38 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXfJA-0008Mz-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:38 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78DA35D84D for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.74]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from dns-failure [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id EExAvz; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:29 +0100 Message-ID: <015d01ca99fe$80cea650$3ab27cbc@dddaumnpsobkaa> From: "Marcin" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:29:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 63 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Poland_on_Long_Wave_-_136_kHz_Award_?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b574bed0a02 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF! I inform about the new award LF: Poland on Long Wave - 136 kHz Award Rules of Poland on Long Wave - 136 kHz Award 1. For this award are accepted QSOs since 1 march 2003 Year 2. This Award is is available in 3 classes: Class 1 - 3 two way QSOs with SP stations Class 2 - 3 crossband QSOs with SP stations. Instead of a one crosband QSO may be included one any SWL raport. Class 3 - 3 SWL reports of SP stations 3. Required confirmation of QSOs with QSL cards - application must be accordant with GCR (General Certificate Rules). 4. Award cost - 5 Euro/ 5 USD/ 5 IRCs 5. Foreign stations should send their applications to: Sekretariat ZG PZK, Award Manager - SQ7B, P.O. Box 54, 85-613 Bydgos= zcz 13, Poland 6. The final decision in cases of doubt lies with the PZK Award Manag= er. sq7b@pzk.org.pl Award: http://www.awards.pzk.org.pl/img/136_PL_duzy0.jpg Rules: http://www.awards.pzk.org.pl/html/136_PL.htm Polish station worked/recived on LF: SP2KDS, SP2PZH, SQ2BXI, SQ2HNA,= SP5ZCC, SQ5BPF, SQ5BPM, SQ7MPJ. Special call: HF70W, HF75PZK, SP0PAPA, SP0TPAX= . Special thanks to: PZK President SP2JMR, PZK Award Manager SQ7B, Stani= s=B3aw SQ2NNN, Tomek SQ2RGB, Jakub SP2IPT, Piotr SQ7MPJ, Jacek SQ5BPF. Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9ac4b50b561282; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:35:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME038-9ac4b50b561282; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:35:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVr04-0004HG-C4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVr03-0004H7-Ub for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVr01-0005cq-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from COL122-W9 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:34:15 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2010 18:34:15.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[5705AA80:01CA9611] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_" Subject: LF: WSPR_test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF! OK, I hope so. It will be interesting, thanks for the info. Lubos, OK2BVG 1734 -23 -0.4 0.503860 0 PA0AM JO11 20 1736 -21 0.3 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1800 -22 0.1 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1808 -20 0.2 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90 23 1826 -25 0.3 0.503899 0 PA0A JO33 37 From: victor13@online.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100 Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test Hello=20 Lubos, =20 later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes, =20 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40 Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test Hello LF! Those are my first WSPR lines today=20 afternoon: 1548 -7 2.2 0.503899 0 PA0A=20 JO33 37 1608 -31 0.4 0.503876 0 G4JNT IO90=20 23 1632 -30 -0.5 0.503910 0 PA0AM JO11 20 Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=ED= ta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, LF!
OK, I hope so. It will be interesting, thanks for the= info.

Lubos, OK2BVG

1734 -23 -0.4   0.503860 = ; 0 PA0AM JO11 20
1736 -21  0.3   0.503876  0 G4JNT= IO90 23
1800 -22  0.1   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23<= br>1808 -20  0.2   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90 23
1826= -25  0.3   0.503899  0 PA0A JO33 37

From: victor13@online.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:56:31 +0100
Subject: LF: RE: WSPR_test
Hello=20 Lubos,
 
later this=20 evening I will be transmitting wspr,hopefully you get positive=20 decodes,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 januari 2010 18:40
Aan:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF:=20 WSPR_test

Hello LF!
Those are my first WSPR lines= today=20 afternoon:

1548  -7  2.2   0.503899  0= PA0A=20 JO33 37
1608 -31  0.4   0.503876  0 G4JNT IO90=20 23
1632 -30 -0.5   0.503910  0 PA0AM JO11 20

Lu= bos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Zjedodu= =B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_da63e38b-8808-4544-9e1e-53743f66a392_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.210]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-b4f74b40ed3522; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:17:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D025C380095CA; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVXy-0004Ac-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRVXy-0004AS-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRVXw-0001Tb-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:51:26 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o03E4fvF022371 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:04:41 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:51:22 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Re: So much acitvity :-) Thread-Index: AcqMBrqvxsoxtKSUQn6D4PEqUM3yVQAni6Uv References: <1160510449@web.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.657;03.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.3.183618 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA5.BE796138" Subject: LF: AW: Re: So much acitvity :-) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d24b40e75826a8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8CA5.BE796138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, mni tnx for the QSO! Your signal is the strongest i've ever got from= the UK! And tnx that it was a reals QSO, not just rapport and 73... :-) =20 hpe cuagn next weekends agn... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: So 03.01.2010 00:48 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: So much acitvity :-) Dear Stefan, LF Group, Thanks to Markus DF6NM and Andrey EW6GB for the QSOs - first time I have been QRV on 136k for a while. Conditions seemed a bit poor here with QRN= and quite weak signals - only very faint traces of RU6LA and IK1HSS were visible. I hope to be QRV tomorrow, so perhaps we can QSO then. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: LF: So much acitvity :-) Dear LF, It is so nice to see so much activity on 137kHz! Congrats to DF6NM for his fine QSOs! 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quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b64ba71438c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks for watching John, it would probably need to be a very good night= to grab a copy! 73 Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ---- From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 2010 19:10:49 Subject: Re: LF: XDV 136.32kHz Mike, I watched that range from 0100 to after your sunrise, and only saw a few= =20 hints of signal from Dave and you -- identifiable only by frequency, and= =20 not to be trusted! My neighborhood has gotten even noisier at night, but= =20 one can hope for miracles. John, W1TAG On 1/30/2010 12:56 PM, Mike Dennison wrote: > I will be transmitting QRSS60 on 136.3188kHz again tonight from 1800 > to 0900UTC. > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10= 07:35:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-85f14b4bc010371; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9B7F38000225; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUSc-00071L-Nh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUUSc-00071C-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUUSa-00026h-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:18:14 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W34 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.241.49.2] From: Laurence KL1X To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:18:05 -0900 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2010 00:18:04.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[B57D8530:01CA931C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_" Subject: LF: Small is beautuful? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b4bc00e6d58 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Me, I love real estate and open fields, but at the moment I make do with= a hotel room right in the centre of the USA on the priarie.=20 =20 Mode wise Ill take anything you can throw at me - within reason, and appre= ciate the tools at my disposal both on the receiver, computer and software= and softhead side (local CW decode) =20 Heres a picture of the PA0RDT and coax choked feed "outboard" from the hot= el room window - supported by a 7m fishing pole. Size matters (as does the= coax) , but the probe at the end is around 12 inches long...with the "act= ive gate" bit around 8 inches =20 As you can see the baby bottle has been replaced by a 3/4 inch diameter PV= C pipe and end caps/reducer. The baby bottle was looking a little sucked= dry! Power for the probe is from a small 5Amp/hr sealed lead acid I got= from the local farm store here in the 'lectric fence' dept. =20 http://kl1x.com/okieprobesmall.jpg =20 KL 1 X/5 Bartlesville OKlahoma EM26AR near Kansas too... =20 _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/=3D --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
Me, I love real estate and open fields, but at the moment I make do with= a hotel room right in the centre of the USA on the priarie.
 
Mode wise Ill take anything you can throw at me - within reason, and appre= ciate the tools at my disposal both on the receiver, computer and software= and softhead side (local CW decode)
 
Heres a picture of the PA0RDT and coax choked feed "outboard" from the hot= el room window - supported by a 7m fishing pole. Size matters (as does the= coax) , but the probe at the end is around 12 inches long...with the "act= ive gate" bit around 8 inches
 
As you can see the baby bottle has been replaced by a 3/4 inch diameter PV= C pipe and end caps/reducer. The baby bottle was looking a little sucked= dry! Power for the probe is from a small 5Amp/hr sealed lead acid I got= from the local farm store here in the 'lectric fence' dept.
 
http://kl1x.com/okieprobesm= all.jpg
 
KL 1 X/5 Bartlesville OKlahoma  EM26AR
near Kansas too...

Your E-mail and More= On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. =3D --_1d22b9d6-6d1d-43a6-b432-86181686146d_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG072-5f34b4e01273c5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:22:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG098-5f34b4e01273c5; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:21:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6tc-0004bs-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NV6tb-0004bj-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:39 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6ta-0001BX-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:39 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100113172032.PAKS27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:32 +0000 Received: from [86.0.97.162] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NV6tU-0007eF-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:32 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:31 -0000 Message-ID: <009901ca9474$b5a8dba0$0517aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqUdLU2+heywXh5QKKSoMjI5ZNoEg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=5Y8AxwaK3OU7kiHB73UA:9 a=tq7-ihh_3xGLOR0Q9BMA:7 a=cRecjiOfX91ZJBiw8IXHFDnsQCYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=AIE7SQ7dSDBQ9i7kmpwA:9 a=BFMy037PvIIweiIYrawA:7 a=OBDPRYOHYZRDWhv-3xgPA-qrcMgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Marconi 4.96MHz OCXO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, Going thru a newly acquired junk/spares box I have found a new/wrapped in plastic Marconi Crystal Oscillator Identity FQ 3121-11. Serial no. 118941. It is stamped as having a freq of 4960KHz and temp range of -10c to 55c running off 20v AC. It didn't come with any wiring diagram, and out of the 8 pin contacts on the base are 8 leads, red white, 2 x yellow, green, blue and 2 more yellow. The unit sits in a sealed can about the size of a small coke can and has a control on top which rotates freely thru 360 degree and more. Jim Moritz has informed me it is an OCXO but does anyone have a circuit for it or a plan of the leads out. I have googled but to no avail. I am guessing that there must be some alumni of Marconi out there and they may know of this widget With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF,

Going thru a newly acqui= red junk/spares box I have found a new/wrapped in plastic Marconi Crystal Oscillator  Identity FQ 31= 21-11.  Serial no. 118941.

It is stamped as having= a freq of 4960KHz and temp range of -10c to 55c running off 20v AC.

It didn’t come wit= h any wiring diagram, and out of the 8 pin contacts on the base are 8 leads, red white, 2 x yellow, green, blue= and 2 more yellow.

The unit sits in a seale= d can about the size of a small coke can and has a control on top which rotates freely thru 360 degree and more= .

Jim Moritz has informed= me it is an OCXO but does anyone have a circuit for it or a plan of the leads out.   I have googled= but to no avail.

I am guessing that there= must be some alumni of Marconi out there and they may know of this widget

 =

 =

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= o:p>

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds=

SG18 9NR

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

The information= transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA9474.B5A8DBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG012-5d44b4a659771; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:41:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44b4a659771; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:41:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7OK-0007A7-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU7OK-00079y-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: from web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU7OI-0001qI-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 44610 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1263166809; bh=cP6KhoZKiyhkxj1eVJJxtcvri/GbdfFl858920eGvMc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fDixg2rWJgjHTrnYOFm/khpEa0jyUIWdAX08mwOBFESOIUwTo351oNIx97XWOundUtQ3zOKvpuRJq5yYTip9G2x/B54TSxAZme2ttXmNvAuOV9EpfggUBHXF/0SUHyMScxiiUBFL5ZWC1sMSVoX+7MmQBERa4+3JHFOyVDDVao8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sw7xzcWhwYgF0lPM33+mV2OQAEYxPU9wF9oqqWmw7iZYK4DidyQnHQeTKBAS7NgR0l+HjSm9stcFlRpn3SkHpoVbmb9tZh6C2YnYTH3kcybWwCKff6zl+GEOuIzN9yOSYAOU3KsIVDKx1Oo1dpwgSXpM9mF33+aRVJvgPHWx2ss=; Message-ID: <372296.44597.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q4XXbh4VM1ltOAF9JB9wIX56AAptftL5BmgIlMwqiqOX8HgIjw69HhdVBOPBFgsKY.XoYrhApqn7nMNSBlfy5ntV3JyXCfEcXTqx0obG7Jcb.VEvXFGXP1TD1uK7aeaE1EH4tA2hEA4RmxjZpbtDAbVvreh3ifIg.XMqZb3IPm052XHkB.t4HRfz480AshMYGOaW1rfZ31DsQ9iubMS3RcqbUUkP3R4WSbPylhd4jiKQonHzRBn0VhcmnYU6.WoRLepnvA5H_KLX.j4G_gyAdVEmhXjdbB1NoCQEgmD1ElGxqIfOLeM9wFtgUQxmPqb63xfu Received: from [213.122.33.10] by web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:40:09 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: summer activity? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m240.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Stephan lighning crash qrm can be very tiring for audible work in summe= r, though there ARE quieter days. Daytime DX signals are slightly better= in summer due to improved daytime skywave. The seasons dont really have= that great an effect. I have on one occasion copied VO1NA in daytime in= summer and often at good strenth in night-time (QRSS) What will now have= a greater effect is the geomagnetic activity levels as the we start to mo= ve slowly up the next cycle. Of course the big killler is that the all-dar= kness path is for a much shorter period for most DX paths, so you dont get= a second chance like in winter. Alan G3NYK=20 --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote= : > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: LF: summer activity? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 17:28 > Dear LF,=20 > =20 > Wonderful, that good activity theese weeks! But what about > the summer? I haven't been qrv in the summer yet. The qrm, > how much stronger is it? Just some db or is a qso in cw or > qrss almost impossible? How much does it affect the > groundwave? I mean, is the qrm difference between day and > night much more than in the winter? > =20 > Sri, cannot be qrv this weekend, just watch the DF6NM > grabber and listen to utwente websdr ;-) I am envious, once > again ;-) > =20 > Wish you fun and gd qsos!=20 > =20 > Congrats to mal for the qsos! Nice acty! > =20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > im Auftrag von mal hamilton > Gesendet: So 10.01.2010 17:53 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Re: 137.7 >=20 >=20 > Tnx to OE5ODL for a 137.7 QSO solid both ways and PA0LCE on > 500 his first PA/G qso and using an old T1154 TX 60W > Plenty of CW act on both bands at present. PA0AM and LA3EQ > now cq on 500. plus others. > OE, F, and and DL acty on 137.7=20 > de mal/g3kev=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mal hamilton =20 >=20 > To: rsgb =20 >=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:36 PM > Subject: LF: 137.7 >=20 > Now cq g3kev k 137.7 qrs3. > Two DL stns and one F stn active at > present. > g3kev > =20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB083-a7d94b56129a160; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:14:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 785FB38000178; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKRw-0002o8-W9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NXKRw-0002nz-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NXKRt-0008I8-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so138535fge.10 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5i7iu36Z6yb92V4c7MF4BMnv9hbA3xF0acYJOtWVAh8=; b=pJ3tc0hKgf3fV2E45NiuBnRYWw7g2+hwvc1l8uQRYLNlawvCh5GKEBBrwb8ji6+exj BuyMAohL4glL+EVS1WWfCsDdMmmCCCGrbBzoPxvlz2qkP1TwpmP69r8hKj5AqI02kVjc tfNOd8mFl92YLwVClzGroGyVuFI2KX6mxyVE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Hw+nh87IUxjzDOn/1A/Qtp5Dop0lRZL+3CvhWHHgw+n+hscsL65R+jpBOPkS3wmPNt C7tW1qg2IQpX/XdxqQ9rVFG76yvKjum2BSJAZc9CrdE6Lwqw76asqq2gOHBwrKl1Bn12 rr7VdoPa7KzVGyYbUGBB5u9P211pYHnWOOQ0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.68 with SMTP id w4mr852394hbh.130.1263931991109; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:13:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> References: <1f0624b91001191129t17c11cf3r5f522774b474b499@mail.gmail.com> <210C686E0E284F81AB4344035F9D003A@MartinPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz WSJT JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b5612984b36 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Download WSJT from http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html and have a go !!!!! Then when you decoded Gary's signal, fire up your 10GHz and 2.3GHz receivers, adjust the mode to JT4G and try listening to the beacons GB3SCX and GB3SCS from Bell Hill in Dorset. http://www.scrbg.org/ Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2010/1/19 Martin Evans > You've got a good signal on the Twente receiver, Gary. > > At least - I assume that it's you, it's the correct frequency. > > Can't decode it, of course. > > Martin GW3UCJ. > > > > > --001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Download WSJT=A0 from=A0 http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html= =A0=A0 and have a go !!!!!
=A0
Then when you decoded Gary's signal, fire up your 10GHz and 2.3GH= z receivers,=A0adjust the mode to JT4G=A0and try listening to the beacons= GB3SCX and GB3SCS=A0from Bell Hill in =A0Dorset.=A0=A0http://www.scrbg.org/

Andy
www.g4jnt.= com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by th= e health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardo= us to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar region= s


2010/1/19 Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.= uk>
You've got a good signal= on the Twente receiver, Gary.

At least - I assume that it's yo= u, it's the correct frequency.

Can't decode it, of course.

Martin =A0GW3UCJ.




--001485f1da1459af50047d8a193c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a5c4b4b7121294; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:42:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA034-a5c4b4b7121294; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:42:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUPCw-00054W-Ip for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUPCw-00054N-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUPCt-0003Jk-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:42 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so3727435fgg.10 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lP8rY/Qf2FfLIJXKzmnkDNFEGwLM6ex7imYiRYDfcaE=; b=jFxtaJbvPhszB4WycaNQQLhINMsVgqH2V+KKbOhC4XObStQesmREGLjg/JYelMh+MN wU/ngSIZyWEfdK5qXJxhsG7dP1NMAD6N3LelOuhIDl0b0ikUDGq2P5rRwRL8ZfNr90ug jRUCLh3JJAn5LPTeQ2GOP9F9bclS1ih1Cz28k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Z4SwZTu84HQKnRAtccd22YvG8JT9zzKymbwcv94HbjQGdxAskYyHbQhn6pa7VjdiMO DM6cZbEVXDrFC/esPQ5XrERxK+vLQtgD4lOIZWi+lyU89lQJTr01SVytpThUYwz6fJEN b5qdprqeXsbh0cKQMqQXNVsBLP+lnmmiEC2GY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.82 with SMTP id k18mr1360319hbh.5.1263235298584; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m229.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good.... Confirms exactly what I assumed. 5dB in 24Hz (which is about the same effective bandwidth of a good pair of ears) is -15dB S/N in 2500Hz Its interesting, too, that SSB is readable at far lower S/N ratios than might normally be expected. My SSB contesting ears, which have had practice mostly with AWGN on the microwave and VHF bands, but nothing like as good as the experienced ops, can read callsigns and reports - ie preformatted data - at a S/N in the SSB bandwidth of around -10 to -5dB. If we assume a S/N of +5dB is needed for incoherent detection, that suggests an effective aural bandwidth around 100 - 200Hz Considering the whole human evolutionary process has been geared to listening to voice -ike sounds, its not really surprising that we apply considerable adaptive filtering to the voice channel to get an efcective bandwidth so much lower than the actual band. So the human voice is a spread-spectrum system. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker > Hello Andy, > > The bandwidth of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz. > > 73, > Roelof > > --0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good....
Confirms exactly what I assumed.=A0=A0
5dB in 24Hz (which is=A0about the same effective bandwidth of a good= pair of ears)=A0=A0is -15dB S/N in 2500Hz
=A0
Its interesting, too, that SSB is readable at far lower S/N ratios th= an might normally be expected.=A0 My SSB contesting ears, which have had= practice mostly with AWGN on the microwave and VHF bands,=A0but nothing= like as good as the experienced ops, can read callsigns and reports - ie= preformatted data - at a S/N in the SSB bandwidth of around -10 to -5dB.= =A0=A0 If we assume a S/N of +5dB is needed for incoherent detection, that= suggests an effective aural bandwidth around 100 - 200Hz
=A0
Considering the whole human evolutionary process has been geared to= listening to voice -ike sounds, its not really surprising that we apply= considerable adaptive filtering to the voice channel to get an efcective= bandwidth so much lower than the actual band.=A0=A0=A0 So the human voice= is a spread-spectrum system.
=A0
2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker <<= a href=3D"mailto:roelof@ndb.demon.nl" target=3D"_blank">roelof@ndb.demon.n= l>
Hello Andy,

The bandwid= th of the SPM-30 was set to 24 Hz.

73,
R= oelof


--0016363b9f003d6786047ce7e372-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.20]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5eb44b622f1e1f7; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:43:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 336AB38000097; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Naevg-0004e2-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Naevg-0004dt-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Naeve-0003d7-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:44 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B3AD51C0008A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6A3E1C00102 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.34.156]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 4FBC91C0008A for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:41:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100129004134326.4FBC91C0008A@mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3BE61D28D95C4E36B3DE8504E0B6EB7E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:41:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41144b622f1c42f2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly ...amazing what you= can do with 35 feet of wire with a coke bottle on the end !! 2010-01-29 00:18 G0NBD 0.503910 -29 0 IO83lk 0.1 = W4DEX EM95tg 6140 284=20 Tnx for the decode=20 Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok its a sea path  .. but this&n= bsp; is =20 getting silly  ...amazing what= you  can=20 do  with  35  feet  of  wire  with a cok= e =20 bottle on the  end !!
 
2010-01-29 00:18   G0NBD   0.503910   -29   0   IO83lk   0.1   W4DEX   EM95tg   6140   284
 
Tnx  for the  decode
 
Graham
 
G0NBD


------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CAA07B.CE2F2C20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-a8454b5569461fa; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:11:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 013D3380000B8; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9Ao-00085G-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NX9An-000857-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NX9Al-0003JT-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:10:49 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660E51C001 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A50F31E702 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:39 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:10:52 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> References: <4B554611.5020501@infoserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100119081039.4A50F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b55694405d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, I am using a 1A thermo-couple meter and 1/2 ratio current transformer (to get a 4A range) since 2 years on 500kHz, without any problem. At 500kHz the values it shows are give or take 10%, so it is OK for tuning the antenna / controlling antenna current but I wouldn't rely on it for measuring the exact current. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 06:41 19/01/2010, you wrote: >Hello.... > >Can the typical thermo-couple amp meter be placed in the antenna >lead-in. I have had several fail open after a few days use. They were >not close to any metallic grounded objects, or subject to over current. >No lightning > >73 John / VE7BDQ (VX9BDQ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.140]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI032-eabf4b4e69462aa; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FA3F38000051; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVDpG-0005yI-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVDpG-0005y9-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVDpE-0004so-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:44:38 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.218.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.218.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.218]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5349B5E21 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:44:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: John Bruce McCreath In-Reply-To: <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: <844DCB1F-822A-4951-B727-E8D4329D0E3D@hurontel.on.ca> References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113231925.jfe3v1waowogggsc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: LF: 500kHz. TA propagation Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b4e694513e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, I just got WSPR 2.0 installed this evening and am happy to report a succes= sful TA capture! The QTH here is on the east shore of Lake Huron near the town of Goderich,= quite a ways inland from the east coast, so needless to say, I'm thrilled!! 0004 -26 0.5 0.503901 0 PA0A JO33 37 I'm using a series tuned, 333 ft perimeter delta loop into a TS-440. Audi= o is fed to the computer via a Timewave DSP-59+ set for 400 Hz. bandwidth. For reasons not yet determined, my spots aren't getting uploaded to the WS= PR site. 73, J.B., VE3EAR/VE3WZL LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b43a2db24e; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:36:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2AF57380001AA; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSG7v-000555-S0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSG7v-00054w-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl ([194.134.42.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSG7t-0003OO-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:39 +0000 Received: from smtp10.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA76C40456 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp10.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001051216p14b78e87t6f3ee60f57d0472a@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp10.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b43a2da34da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary, that was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time being, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary - G4WGT Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16 Aan: Rsgb_Lf_Group Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up - 2 Hi, Look at this capture. Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you can see the 2 minute period. Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Gary,
 
that=20 was me,the rx didn't switch off during tx so I got feedback via the=20 soundcard.Hope it works fine with the rx switched off for the time=20 being,
 
73
Victor
PA3FNY
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary -=20 G4WGT
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 januari 2010 21:16
Aan:=20 Rsgb_Lf_Group
Onderwerp: LF: 500khz stange signals follow= up -=20 2

Hi,

Look at this capture.

Sorry the clock is wrong as I hurriedly set this up, but you ca= n see the=20 2 minute period.

Gary - G4WGT.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8E4F.012A2420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-6054b52e97f324; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:42:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG116-6054b52e97f324; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:42:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSZ1-0003Ua-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWSZ1-0003UR-7b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWSYz-0005bW-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:40:59 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KWE00HU30C0K7@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:40:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:40:39 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <5C02F2E1DFDA4280BB2BE1273FCBA288@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 17-01.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_drxTbRUDBNeMSyVpRq3Giw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_drxTbRUDBNeMSyVpRq3Giw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA)" --Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren ,LF nice captrure XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 17-01.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_O2jJ1cuj9wsm6z9epYusqA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren ,LF
nice captrure XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:43:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b5b0b4321c4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for this help Andy. I'd not like to derive others of your valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pre-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibility of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others who would value this too. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 January 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot wrote: > AFAIK The is no 'simple guide' JT4x was never originally going to be one > of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensive use on uWaves it > certainly is now. JT65x was the more popular and documented code, being > heavily used for EME on 144 / 432 / 1296MHz, with JT4x just one of those > included in the WSJT suite to 'try out' If you download and read the > WSJT users guide and other supporting files, there's all you need to know to > get it going is in there. > > http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT_User_600.pdf > *http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjt.html* > http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT > > Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x, but at > least it does have the options of being available in a range of bandwidths / > tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light. (Although I think > I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respectively on LF, HF and > uWaves) There's probably only a fraction of a dB in it and both are, as > far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two away from the Shannon limit. > [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy mode, as well as straight > PSKnn without error correction]. Wolf has a similar signalling efficiency, > but unfortunately is wider, needs a linear TX to avoid being too wide and > seems less user friendly. > > A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for use on > 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond. JT4G, the widest spaced varient of > them looked suitable. After some prompting, Joe was persuaded not to > abandon that mode, and in fact he modified the code to enhance the decoder > routine so the wide spaced version would be decoded with the same S/N as > JT4A. We discovered just how good the mode was, even under severe > rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread out to 200Hz bandwidth > (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overall, so this rain scattered > signal still had discrete tone energy). > > There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms, the 10 > and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org and now > GB3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland > http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html Other will follow before long as > it is quite an easy mode to generate from a simple PIC keyer provided > accurate timing information is available to keep it synched. > > My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 signals > - can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC. Would there be > any interest, bearing in mind both the WSPR and "5MHz type" waveforms will > be lost for the duration? > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, > but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions > > > On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > >> Having looked on the WSJT website there is little (no?) reference to JT4A >> in the help files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have >> managed to receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing. >> >> Can someone point me in the direction of a "*JT4A for Dummies*" guide, or >> something similar that I might understand, please? >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> -- >> >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this help Andy.

I'd not like to derive others of yo= ur valuable 500kHz WSPR beacon, but could you beacon in JT4A at certain pr= e-arranged times or days perhaps? If JT4A looks like offering the possibil= ity of really weak signal QSOs to people like me running flea-power then= I'd like to explore the mode some more and having a reliable signal= to test with initially would be useful. I am sure there will be others wh= o would value this too.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 23 January= 2010 14:26, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
AFAIK The is no 'simple guide'=A0=A0 JT4x was never originall= y going to be one of Joe's supported modes, although after our extensi= ve use=A0on uWaves it certainly=A0is now.=A0=A0 JT65x was the more popular= and documented code, being heavily used for EME on 144=A0/ 432 /=A01296MH= z,=A0 =A0with JT4x just one of those included in the WSJT suite to 'tr= y out'=A0=A0 If you download and read the WSJT=A0users guide and other= supporting files, there's=A0all you need to know to get it going is= in there.
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Its still debatable as to whether JT4 is better or worse than JT65x,= but at least it does have the options of being available in a range of ba= ndwidths / tone spacings making it usable from DC to red light.=A0=A0 (Alt= hough I think I've only ever come across A, D and G being used respect= ively on LF, HF and uWaves)=A0=A0=A0 There's probably only a fraction= of a dB in it and both are, as far as I can ascertain, only a dB or two= away from the Shannon limit.=A0 [Which knocks spots off CW or any fuzzy= mode, as well as straight PSKnn=A0without error correction].=A0=A0 Wolf= has a similar signalling efficiency, but unfortunately is wider, needs a= linear TX to avoid being too wide and seems less user friendly.
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A year or so ago we (the microwave community) wanted something for us= e=A0on 1.3GHz and up to 10GHz or beyond.=A0=A0JT4G, the widest spaced vari= ent of them=A0looked suitable.=A0=A0=A0 After some prompting, Joe was pers= uaded not to abandon that mode,=A0 and in fact=A0he=A0modified the code to= =A0enhance the decoder routine so the wide spaced version would be decode= d with the same S/N as JT4A.=A0=A0=A0 We discovered just how good the mode= was, even under severe rainscatter conditions where each tone was spread= out to 200Hz bandwidth (tone spacing in JT4G is 315Hz for 1kH zwide overa= ll, so this rain scattered signal still had discrete tone energy).
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There are now two microwave beacons that transmit JT4G waveforms,=A0= =A0 the 10 and 2.3GHz ones in Dorset=A0 GB3SCX and GB3SCS www.scrbg.org=A0 =A0 and=A0 now GB= 3CSB on 1.3GHz from central Scotland http://www.rayjames.biz/gm4cxm/id14.html= =A0 Other will follow before long as it is quite an easy mode to gener= ate from a simple PIC keyer provided accurate timing information is availa= ble to keep it synched.=A0=A0
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My beacon engine - the one that currently drives the 503.7/503.85 sig= nals -=A0can give JT4A immediately just by reprogramming the PIC.=A0=A0 Wo= uld there be any interest, bearing in mind=A0both the=A0WSPR and "5MH= z type" waveforms will be lost for the duration?

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging= side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no= substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the neth= er and polar regions


On 23 January 2010 13:48, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Having looked= on the WSJT website there is little (no?)=A0 reference to JT4A in the hel= p files. I assume it is similar to modes like JT6M which I have managed to= receive in the past on 50MHz but never tried TXing.

Can someone point me in the direction of a "JT4A for Dummies" guide, or something similar that I might understand, please?
<= br>73s
Roger G3XBM

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--00032555b2ce793904047dd5f465-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-5d84b5d74b426c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:39:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG071-5d84b5d74b426c; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:38:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMKI-00043u-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZMKH-00043l-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:45 +0000 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZMKF-0006w2-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:37:45 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1BBDD3BFBE38455E87C69798E283D2C7@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: References: <46625.76ca05fd.388e396e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:37:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2010 10:37:42.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C7FB3B0:01CA9DAA] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tu Nicolas, best 73s henny pa3cpm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: 509khz Henny, Z : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it's a NDB from Zilina / Slovakia BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a NDB from unknown location (m= aybe central europe) http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rww/index.php F4DTL Nicolas NDB hunter since 2004 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@plan= et.nl a =E9crit : Hi LF, Who is transmitting Z and BL on 509khz? henny pa3cpm best 73s ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Release Date: 01/2= 4/10 19:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tu Nicolas,
best 73s
henny pa3cpm
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 25, 201= 0 1:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 509khz

Henny,
 
Z   : 508 kHz with 1025 Hz offset it= 's a NDB=20 from Zilina / Slovakia
BL : 510 kHz with 1020 Hz offset it's a= NDB from=20 unknown location (maybe central europe)
 
 
F4DTL Nicolas
NDB hunter since 2004
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 25/01/2010 00:51:06 Paris, Madrid, cpm@planet.nl a =E9crit :
Hi LF,
 
Who is transmitting Z and BL= on=20 509khz?
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2643 - Re= lease=20 Date: 01/24/10 19:33:00
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA9DB2.CCD633D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD062-9014b4f5af1f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:57:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-9014b4f5af1f; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:57:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTv2-0001Pw-Ni for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVTv2-0001Pn-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVTv1-0002vN-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VUqb1d0011HzFnQ57VvX63; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VVvW1d00K2DDHkk3aVvWrN; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:55:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000601ca9542$c222ef50$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002c01ca953e$bbaf0180$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:55:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal Distance between us 1950 km. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > Jay > I can do better than that. I can manage 100 ft high and 120 ft at a push. > How far are u from him > 73 mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:03 PM > Subject: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 > > >> Mal >> >> I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard him a > couple times since. Here's >> his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and the > other is E/W. Note that it >> is at 20 feet! Appears to work. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ____________ >> >> Jay, >> >> I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a transverter > from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. >> The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 - 15 > watts ERP. The antenna is >> a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a N/S and > E/W configuration. one leg >> is N/S and the other is N/S. >> >> I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. >> >> 73 >> >> Jim >> >> WD2XSH/35 K0HW >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: mal hamilton >> To: rsgb >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM >> Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 >> >> >> Hi >> Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V design, > at a modest height around >> 100 ft. >> de mal/g3kev >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-862a4b3fc6e538f; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:21:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63881380000B8; Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRCKi-0007Mx-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRCKh-0007Mo-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRCKe-0003J0-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so9069102bwz.4 for ; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:20:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8HCkfG6tZOgUdo6XjGzGdLt4kfu4/kC0BQ9exLvhoHM=; b=QTACSp5btf04HKhuOYf5QeccK0KZ6auPY3nsE8bqk2TWSnVRX4lOf9vxZwgkiVBBPP 4VcmmtbtMh3WIu1uESQ7GJecwVa+PcJByB+5JiNOuTT3s4eIjO1l5IaW3/Y+XK3/Aw5c Dq4IB3BlDJszsy/eW7+HwDuHwFLqm5pM2BcQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bNW0GAS7aw0NaICv0+OmdEi4S5YL9TiMAlguLZkIuFpB9iNin6RsV/E4ewG8y7yBOf QF0C9PNTQo/ePhZjNIQlJoiXxZ4nT80EMHyyYtR5kYQd9gH4EUfa/nkyodPHDgHwdzZY 7cSu7bLVEF8jatdgV4vkIFpyc2lXD0AukMlUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.69 with SMTP id 5mr5407784bky.83.1262470818710; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584b3fc6e50dc6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Some suggestions: 1. *More* people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes. 2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's *not* a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely. 3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan less". 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton > I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and > S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to > listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a > station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation. > The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. > Does anyone else have an opinion? > G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WS= PR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are= able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing= very useful data on propagation and station performance/changes to be det= ermined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other narrowband conversational modes.
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is= of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a= good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance= DX if interference to weak signals is likely.
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant an= d moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on this= reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QR= M to=20 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I canno= t=20 understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band=20 allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swampe= d by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
=A0



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G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000e0cd1e31eb046fa047c35e4ae-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b4badb4327; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:01:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 529643800009F; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTEj-0006dG-3B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUTEi-0006d7-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:48 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUTEg-0004vL-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8827B1C0008C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 73E3C1C0009F for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.9.217]) by mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 21C031C0008C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100111225940138.21C031C0008C@mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:59:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104b4badb26820 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dr Klaus ..=20 Watching the posts float by on the reflector is like watching the= tide go out , as you can be sure it will come back again , some= times higher some times lower . depending on the alignment of the= moon .. it would be interesting to plot the correlation ..? Just a song from the musical past of the UK .... from a musical= comedian ''Bernard Cribbins'' .. Its theme basically is, there= is 'always' some one who knows best and has an opinion contrary to= the popular ...or the practical ... the end of the song suggests= that the 'QRN' is used to back fill the hole ... poetic justice= may be ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZGk4AKOwJbc this is a link to the words=20 http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/abcd/bernardcribbins_hole.htm From: kkorn42@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Graham,=20 to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have this mu= sical background) you should also state the end of this song!=20 You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you? 73 de Klaus dj6lb ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dr Klaus ..
 
Watching the  po= sts float by on=20 the  reflector  is like watching the  tide go  out= , as=20 you  can be sure it  will  come back again , some times= higher=20 some times lower . depending on the  alignment  of the = =20 moon .. it  would be  interesting to plot the correlati= on=20 ..?
 
Just a  song&nbs= p; from=20 the  musical past of the  UK ....  from  a musical=  =20 comedian  ''Bernard Cribbins''  .. Its theme basically = is,=20   there  is  'always' some one who knows best and&= nbsp; has=20 an opinion contrary to the popular ...or the  practical ... = the =20 end of the  song suggests that the  'QRN' is used to = back =20 fill the  hole ... poetic justice may be ?
 
 
this is a  link= to the =20 words
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...

Graham,
to be fair (especially to us outside of the UK who do not have th= is musical=20 background) you should also state the end of this song!
You do not aim at such an solution to the problem, don't you?
73
de
Klaus
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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA9311.C0F1CE40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.138]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-864d4b5cadd9377; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:30:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C2A038000140; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ95N-00014u-1p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ95M-00014l-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:28 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ95J-0002K2-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:29:28 +0000 Received: from COL122-W65 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:29:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:29:18 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> References: ,<7F750017A6CF48CCBD91922870D08E41@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2010 20:29:18.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7820030:01CA9D33] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_" Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408a4b5cadd7072c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF! There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Thanks Dr Lubos , can you decode =20 it with Multipsk ??=20 =20 download link :-=20 =20 http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm =20 G ..=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz Hello Graham, LF! I saw your signal on 503kHz. Lubos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000 Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz=20 Running PSK63F Digital sstv from=20 Multipsk on 503.000 =20 Set dial 501.500 : USB=20 Audio set 1500 Hz=20 Mode PSK63F Digital sstv=20 =20 Very slow data rate ..... might =20 take a while to show 1 line ! =20 Reports ? =20 Tnx - Graham G0NBD =20 =20 =20 =20 Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham, LF!
There is a lot of QSB here, so may be later.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet= .co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:50= :43 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz

Thanks Dr Lubos ,   can you  deco= de =20 it  with  Multipsk ??
 
download link :-
 
 
G ..

Hello Graham, LF!
I saw your signal on 503kHz.

Lu= bos,=20 OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Date:=20 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:25:08 +0000
Subject: LF: Digital SSTV 503 Khz
<= br>
Running PSK63F Digital sstv &nbs= p; from=20 Multipsk on 503.000
 
Set  dial  501.500 : USB
Audio set 1500 Hz
Mode  PSK63F Digital sstv <= /font>
 
Very slow data  rate ..... = might =20 take a  while to  show  1 line !
 
Reports ?
 
Tnx - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 
 



Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.=20


Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_c428c45e-7ab9-4016-b9f3-30b7976898aa_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME081-9c64b4ba2c41cf; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:14:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64b4ba2c41cf; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:14:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSW4-0006Ex-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUSW3-0006En-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:39 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUSW0-0004e9-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:13:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAM0wS0tZ8qfX/2dsb2JhbACNSAbJLYQvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,258,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="294568477" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.167.215]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 22:13:30 +0000 Message-ID: <009c01ca930b$4e8bd270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca71001102025n2ce8238cse1db63f658c29548@mail.gmail.com> <88A94743A3F54184BF20FFA4EE51E09F@PCvanAlbert> <006601ca92b1$741377a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002f01ca92c8$f2dc9fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002201ca92d0$7a7d5f10$6c01a8c0@DELL4> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:11:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now started to TX - ur freq is swamped by SM6BHZ on SSB S9 plus here= BEACON mode g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Mal Will start listening for you about 2200Z (earliest I can start today= ) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / when I hear your signal QSO qual= ity. Jay ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz last night Hi Jay We could have a bash tonite starting about 2100z I will tx on CW= 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QRG. I hear u and Bob most= nights when I listen. Alert Bob as well if possible. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz last night Albert, WSPR enthusiasts Glad to receive your WSPR signal last night (as well as M0BMU,= SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as= I had first time reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receiv= e more EU stations more often but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' caus= es receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals.=20 I'll be happy to listen for your cw signal on any night - either= post your operation here or e mail direct. Curious about the details= of your transmitting setup. Maybe you already mentioned it - if so I= missed the details. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Albert=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: LF: 500kHz last night Dr OM,s I have been whispering during the night of 10/11 jan with rath= er good results. My idea was to find out if, using my current setting,= it would be possible to work USA with normal CW. Around 02:42 WD2XSH/= 17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my knowledge just enough for= a CW QSO using good ears and a normal bandwidth suited for this mode= . Reports received from the following US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X,= KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37, /10. Best DX: 2010-01-11, 03:20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5,= EM26ar, 7546 km. You can also take the best of both worlds. 73, Albert PA0A =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now started to TX - ur freq is swampe= d by SM6BHZ on=20 SSB S9 plus here BEACON mode
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 201= 0 3:12=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500k= Hz last=20 night

Mal
 
Will start listening for you about= 2200Z=20 (earliest I can start today) on 502.6 kHz. Will TX on 506.5 if / whe= n I hear=20 your signal QSO quality.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 9:18=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Hi Jay
We could have a bash tonite start= ing about=20 2100z I will tx on CW 502.6 K/cs and listen for you to BK on ur QR= G. I hear=20 u and Bob most nights when I listen.
Alert Bob as well if possible.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11,= 2010 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz= last=20 night

Albert, WSPR enthusiasts=
 
Glad to receive your WSPR signa= l last night=20 (as well as M0BMU, SM6BHZ and G4JNT). Conditions must have been very good last night as I= had first time=20 reception of G4JNT. I might have been able to receive more= EU=20 stations more often  but the combined US/EU WSPR 'band' cau= ses=20 receiving limitations due to strong local WSPR signals. 
 
I'll be happy to listen for you= r cw signal on=20 any night - either post your operation here or e mail direct. Cu= rious=20 about the details of your transmitting setup. Maybe you alr= eady=20 mentioned it - if so I missed the details.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 Albert=20
Sent: Monday, January= 11, 2010 4:28=20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz las= t=20 night

Dr OM,s
 
I have been whispering during= the night of=20 10/11 jan with rather good results. My idea was to find out if= , using my=20 current setting, it would be possible to work USA with normal= CW. Around=20 02:42 WD2XSH/17 reported a SNR of -12 dB and thats to my= knowledge=20 just enough for a  CW QSO using good ears and= a normal=20 bandwidth suited for this mode. Reports received from the foll= owing=20 US-stations: W1VD, WA3USG, KL1X, KL1X/5 and WD2XSH- /17, /37,= =20 /10.
 = ;
Best DX: 201= 0-01-11, 03:20=20 UTC, 0.503899, -27 dB SNR, KL1X/5, EM26ar, 7546 km.
 
You can also take the best&nb= sp;of both=20 worlds.
 
73, Albert PA0A  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01CA930B.06A83250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.30]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-a0764b5c4a62313; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:25:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6CCA38000128; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2SZ-0006AU-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZ2SY-0006AL-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:58 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZ2SW-0007uC-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:58 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicLAM/YW0tOllUg/2dsb2JhbACCFoYrAcxbhDsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,334,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="448268784" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.32]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2010 13:24:34 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000701ca9cf8$91f86cc0$0402a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001240455t3fe69a90qce027d90f3cd6ea5@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411e4b5c4a606062 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, thanks for that, yes my call is fully identifiable in your grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the period of the screenshot. I always look on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen it yet, being broad band the chances are not so good on the UK Grabbers. Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 24 January 2010 12:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi Eddie, I have been running SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your signal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9 km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/24 g3zjo Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM. Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5. 73 Eddie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 January 2010 10:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - Hi, Eddie. Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is about 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains elements of both modes! (With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double frequency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencies, and the carrier drops between letters.) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo Sent: 24 January 2010 09:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; GQRP@yahoogroups.com Subject: LF: FW: [Knightsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin Hi All I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a note on receiving the QRSS3. :- Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around 800 on the Spectran Waterfall. Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals can spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time. Frequency 503.22KHz Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse Power 500mW at 50 Ohms Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical ERP >1mWatt Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 19:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/24/10 07:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gary, thanks for that, yes my call= is fully identifiable in your grab. It looks like I changed from QRSS10 back to QRSS3 during the period of= the screenshot.

 

I always look= on your Grabber for my signal in hope. I have not seen it yet, being broad band the chances= are not so good on the UK Grabbers.  

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of G= ary - G4WGT
Sent: 24 January 2010= 12:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: QR= P'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi Eddie,=

 

I have been runn= ing SpecLab at QRS10 & have managed to get what appears to be your sig= nal (200 represents 503.200 kHz), my loc IO83qo which makes the distance 188.9= km or 117.4 mls. Captured at 1245utc.

 

73, Gary - G4WGT= .

 

2010/1/24 g3zjo= <g3zjo@npton.plus.com&= gt;

Thanks Dave and all the other reporters / lookers. I will leave the MEPT on= all day and until well after dark for Rik and GM.

 

Dave, yes the modulation is very normal for me, 5 Hz FSK QRSS3. I will now= switch to an odd mod, 5/5/5.

 

73

 

Eddie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB=
Sent: 24 January 2010= 10:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Subject: LF: QRP'p 500K= Hz from an Altoids tin - <report>

 

Hi, Eddie.

 

Screenshot attached. You are "O" copy here, and I think the QRB is abou= t 100 km. The antenna here is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, and the RX is a Wandel & Golterman SPM-30 with a 24 Hz IF bandwidth

 

By the way, you are transmitting a hybrid QRSS-DFCW signal, which contains el= ements of both modes!

 

(With QRSS, one sends dots and dashes on a single frequency, and drop= the carrier between characters, just like regular speed CW. With Double fr= equency CW, dots and dashes are equal length, but on mark and space frequencie= s, and the carrier drops between letters.)

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.England

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g3zjo
Sent: 24 January 2010= 09:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org; GQRP@yahoogr= oups.com
Subject: LF: FW: [Knigh= tsqrss] QRP'p 500KHz from an Altoids tin

Hi All

 

I am running my QRPp MEPT again this morning all reports welcome. Just a no= te on receiving the QRSS3. :-

 

Using Spectran in - Preset QRSS3 - from the - Mode - menu. With the standard= settings and dial on the WSPR dial frequency 502.4KHz my signal will be around= 800 on the Spectran Waterfall.

Spectran will run at the same time as WSPR so those looking for WSPR signals ca= n spot the evil Data and evil non qso Visual QRSS at the same time.

 

Frequency 503.22KHz

 

Modulation QRSS3 FSK, mainly, I do vary it, maybe some periods of 5/5/5 Morse

 

Power 500mW at 50 Ohms

 

Total current consumption 96mA at 12 Volts

 

Antenna 6m Top Load Vertical

 

ERP >1mWatt

 

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

 

No virus found in this incom= ing message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA9CF8.91F86CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84b5eed31362; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:25:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7BFD1380000B3; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NZlNl-0000AL-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NZlNk-0000AC-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:00 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NZlNi-0000He-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b5eed2f2202 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On 1/26/2010 2:24 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear Group, > > I just study some interesting articles about low noise transistors and= OPAs for amplifier applications and found that article very interesting: > > http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf > > Perhaps it is interesting for some of you as well... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Thanks Stefan, very interesting if one has to build a low noise loop preamplifier (as= I have...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.143]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-8bd44b5a15dc120; 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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:11 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <1f0624b91001221140ib63e25fqf514c9fc604be78c@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:06 +0100 Message-ID: <83F977E5C8CA43D6B7920CF79AFE0072@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001221243of8b85abn15c1b002a71b574f@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acqbo+eJORbujFkbQEG1wmgfDeSEXAAA970g X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: AW: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608f4b5a15d924cb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jim, Gary, have one transmission decoded now in JT4A.. 211000 13 -9 -0.6 -171 23 * TEST M0BMU 1 0 .but local QRM is terrible this evening. vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) ====== _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 21:43 An: Rsgb_Lf_Group Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kHz JT4A Jim, LF, Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way contact ?? Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound card did the trick. Thanks for the 2 way. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 202100 20 -4 -0.1 -24 29 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202200 Transmitting: JT4A M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO 202300 15 -14 -0.1 -24 28 * G4WGT M0BMU IO91 1 0 202500 21 -6 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202700 21 -3 -0.1 -24 29 # G4WGT M0BMU IO91 OOO 1 0 202800 Transmitting: JT4A RRR 202900 21 -4 -0.1 -24 27 * FB GARY 73 1 0 203000 Transmitting: JT4A 73 G4WGT 203100 22 -2 0.0 -24 30 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203200 Transmitting: JT4A FINALLY JIM SK 203300 13 -8 0.2 -24 29 * TU DE BMU SK 1 0 203400 Transmitting: JT4A TU DE G4WGT 203500 21 -5 0.4 -24 23 * HI HII 1 0 **************************************************************************** *** 2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT LF, I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this evening & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation to CQ calls. 502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kHz on even minutes. 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Jim, Gary= ,

 

hav= e one transmission decoded now in JT4A….

 

211= 000 13   -9 -0.6 -171 23 *      TEST M0BMU    &= nbsp;           1&nb= sp;  0

 

= 230;but local QRM is terrible this evening…

 

vy 73 de Gerhar= d  //  DK6NI  (JN59LN)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

 

 

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Gary - G4WGT
Gesendet: Freitag, 22.= Januar 2010 21:43
An: Rsgb_Lf_Group
Betreff: Re: LF: 500 kH= z JT4A

 

Jim, LF,

 

Is it a 1st for UK 500 kHz WSJT JT4A 2 way co= ntact ??

 

Thanks Jim, looks like my change of sound car= d did the trick.

Thanks for the 2 way.

 

73,  Gary - G4WGT.

 

202100 20   -4 -0.1  -24 29 *  = ;     G4WGT M0BMU IO91          1   0 

202200  Transmitting: JT4A    =    M0BMU G4WGT IO83 OOO                  = ;   

202300 15  -14 -0.1  -24 28 *  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91          1   0 

202500 21   -6 -0.1  -24 29 #  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91    OOO   1   0 =

202700 21   -3 -0.1  -24 29 #  = ;    G4WGT M0BMU IO91    OOO   1   0 =

202800  Transmitting: JT4A    =    RRR                      =                

202900 21   -4 -0.1  -24 27 *  = ;     FB GARY 73                1   0 = ;

203000  Transmitting: JT4A    =    73 G4WGT                    =             

203100 22   -2  0.0  -24 30 *=       TU DE BMU SK              1   0 = ;

203200  Transmitting: JT4A    =    FINALLY JIM SK                   &nbs= p;       

203300 13   -8  0.2  -24 29 *=       TU DE BMU SK              1   0 = ;

203400  Transmitting: JT4A    =    TU DE G4WGT                    =          

203500 21   -5  0.4  -24 23 *=       HI HII                   &nb= sp;1   0 

 

*********************************************= **********************************

 

2010/1/22 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

LF,

 

I will be beaconing WSJT JT4A again this even= ing & I would welcome any decodes, I have made changes in view of not decoding a reply last= night. I just need to confirm my outgoing signal before changing Tx operation= to CQ calls.

 

502.300 kHz USB dial frequency. Tx 503.600 kH= z on even minutes.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT.<= o:p>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA9BB0.7FF62E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b3e121f28a; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:17:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B38FA38004A42; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjA8-0008T5-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQjA8-0008Sw-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: from web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQjA8-0004Ph-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 75661 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 15:11:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1262358690; bh=p0GfV9maX7ZI4QIx7RuMTqOSRPH9Nt37byOUicdhEvI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=asTT/uqGy59O1MyYe9k3lzoeO7lU8B1DV0CmaA9BbY4f6cDEcUdlmeVQL4LQ1nxwNypy9S/u4rLbYvxl9ikWZ2hD3TQVq3vtoDbK3dJO1i8dDPxG1xPnv+9ozSKaYvdTR4t+dXZLM53dKDp03oaK30AESCoyEqVtc8A99lb0Xro= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J9epvQ/HOURluwJ7mNaeJTeJ8+ISM0ZlwOXMi/EXx7YBD5MPd+7gq4NBtxEyFUJyljOukqVlDKqCAhHwktXN85/lYUDyWIWlY+3v9jmLvm1fIT5SdljQkn3RArd/kqsdtdp1mGPo1G0Do/Bg+lm1tB+ksfUUMfbCNA1T7VnUFKg=; Message-ID: <235326.75284.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Bpulx_4VM1nNxNhbTEFpoXHiHykmFU8RACKvGaOiDAK8iyiHWAKbZDo1JjzGIHiix4cnq3NdOtdtrUQDOX8_5mO7noO5RR66eI9tkTZLM6gNBJOwo1AodLc82FdzQPlts0lppXsDjs80FnnhWHpbnYeOf2oK_HiQBzHzCybKC2ibAZ1dWpPO9CvPjdE5UDft_uE3wli.u48xVeXMKEdKUsOJXN0HucyJ2ZdfUWnzN6qljOWUXP6ejjDHWM1wtyJp4P.p8pc1ObrbD.as0WjNlGo- Received: from [81.155.113.30] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:11:29 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:11:29 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <2661873FD9224C9AABD301CD2B9F18C2@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b3e10f83a38 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Graham the German station is winning here at times but earlier RC was= in the clear. There is more sky wave as evening comes on so I guess it's= to be expected. They are running very low power but can't find any detail= s as yet. They are legal now which makes=A0it a bit boring. HNY es 73 es GL petefmt --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56 I seem to=A0 have a=A0 German station playing music on that=A0 frequency= , S8=A0 ..quite=A0 regular flutter=A0 , may=A0 be 2=A0 stns on the=A0 sam= e freq ? =A0 G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s Hi LF =A0 Radio Caroline is now on 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of= Tilbury in Essex. =A0 Signal RS 57-9 here in North Herts (UK). HNY 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Graham the German station is winning he= re at times but earlier RC was in the clear. There is more sky wave as eve= ning comes on so I guess it's to be expected. They are running very low po= wer but can't find any details as yet. They are legal now which makes = ;it a bit boring.

HNY es 73 es GL petefmt

--- On Fri, 1/1= /10, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Date: Friday, 1 January, 2010, 14:56

I seem to  have a  German stati= on playing music on that  frequency , S8  ..quite  regular= flutter  , may  be 2  stns on the  same freq ?=
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radio Caroline now on 531Kc/s

=
Hi LF
 
Radio Caroline is now on= 531Kc/s from the MV Ross Revenge at the port of Tilbury in Essex.<= /DIV>
 
Signal RS 57-9 here in No= rth Herts (UK).

HNY 73 es GL petefmt





=20 --0-1640540465-1262358689=:75284-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.204]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC084-a98e4b630c6eb3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:27:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BB0B380001DF; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Natf8-0007cX-Rv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Natf8-0007cO-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Natf6-0001yK-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:38 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07ED2AC875 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.61A) with ESMTP id XID678oaCqZd6398X01; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:29 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID678oaCqZd6398X01 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.217.94] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 989oaCqZb2672M36; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:25:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.94 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B630BF4.4040500@usa.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:25:24 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100129093032.BBBC031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID989oaCqZb2672X36 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Engineered Metamaterials Enable Remarkably Small Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4b630c6b1a95 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On 1/29/2010 10:30 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Dear all, > > have a look at > http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2010_0126.htm#antenna . > They claim antennas with 95% efficiency and dimensions of only 2% of > the wavelength or less. But so only at VHF (300MHz) :-( > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T A follow-on to the EH contraption ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a8c4b5b63642a6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:00:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b5b63642a6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:00:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYn4d-0008D0-QS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYn4d-0008Cr-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYn4b-0005iC-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:59:14 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DEA51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739BFF3862 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 045A918056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123215901.po6fugcco4kosgs8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:01 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230548m3538db64y92b335aa75c1dc00@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230643s4cf01377h70165d22d325dbe1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001230852x7c870d8r3837c9b6eb60c67b@mail.gmail.com> <007201ca9c5d$3614e0f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231117y223fea2cgb37f658c04708e2c@mail.gmail.com> <008e01ca9c62$d9c0a6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001231215hf5edc24ve8f75cf4968600d6@mail.gmail.com> <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <00a701ca9c6d$973d8480$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JT4A simple guide? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Who do men (women) the hard labour to run a marathon in 3 or 4 hours while they could travel the same distance with no effort in 20 minutes using their car ? Maybe because they like the challenge ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Why would I struggle with 1mW when I am permitted 10Watts > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-5c44b4e50cf361; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:01:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG051-5c44b4e50cf361; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:01:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVCCN-0005ku-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVCCM-0005kl-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:22 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVCCK-00049N-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 29370 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2010 23:00:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ZIEkEalLKOPS+KCC/L3qVsGWc5X8k7TV+7A9/6QHfw5dM+ul/KZCP1bYJHQ1RuYmXpmRxz4bEgcFG/JAQPHO+/4fJL6YAZDclVXESeykSDBibs3/a0zAjT3qRpIEDcTnkj/zLnOSFXPzDHwDtq3+KLTiPZLcgTK+S9Pw5U8DZis= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2010 23:00:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: E1xcSFcVM1ngWza3CYJWYk_NW8S7cx5o1bZo3Gelbg7YqqgBYIWYENN5QFmmjRzlqxs7hJYML35siNZHvUSCxe8eITv0y0mBin.segZO46wnfwA3ZQs8OE_53FjLBWzPoJKFSariiEfHqQkYijH1xmVJudw18IPPsgZXDNnqUJNc8nHZtinoG_Zix5pt2YYVBC_nc7avoFl3vRI6kFrFkN3ir5gtzb5PwCcK5K4lgt0Yr4lDgC9YI6alU1Ens07Jbuk_UJz9xr.aM_gY X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com><20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:00:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, ...The perils of having a 50MHz -> 500kHz transverter! 3.5MHz would be a better IF frequency from the drift point of view. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > over the past 12 hours I had 51 spots of LA3EQ, frequency ranging from > 503848 to 503885 > > 73, Rik From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-9124b504af6150; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:01:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b504af6150; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:01:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjuC-0006r9-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVjuC-0006r0-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVjuA-0001dp-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:52 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkFAMrYT0tUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKc8UhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,281,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="310895538" Received: from host-84-13-69-55.opaltelecom.net (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([84.13.69.55]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 10:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01ca95d1$cbde56d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca9530$c4ee97a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><004901ca953b$6e896e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <20100114214523.i1xor1rdk0ccogkg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:59:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, Jim & co Tnx ur observations. It seems there is not much advantage dipole v 1/4 wave inv L. My soil is good therefore the 1/4 wave is probably better plus the low angle and radiation resistance seems about the same at the 100 ft height. One other approach would be to use open wire feeder and use it as part of the dipole legs, there could be an advantage with the first 100ft being vertical on each leg, matched at the bottom for 50 ohms.Maybe get some cancellation !!!!! Open wire say 12 inches separation. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 1/2 wave 500 Jay, Mal, I think that a "low" dipole is only meaningfull above poor soil. At 20 ft (6m) above a perfect ground the radiation resistance would be only 0.25 Ohm. But in contradiction to a short vertical the dipole would work better over poor soil. At 100ft a dipole would have a radiation resistance of about 6 Ohm (over perfect ground. But even at this height it will radiate at very high angles (as Mal suggests), so probably good for Europe but poor for DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jrusgrove@comcast.net" : > Mal > > I worked WD2XSH/35 in South Dakota a couple weekends ago and heard > him a couple times since. Here's > his e mail to me on his setup. Think it should read one leg N/S and > the other is E/W. Note that it > is at 20 feet! Appears to work. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ____________ > > Jay, > > I have an ICOM 706MKIIG feeding aqn attenuator which feeds a > transverter from 7.2 MHz to 500 KHz. > The transverter is feeding a solid state amp. I am running about 10 > - 15 watts ERP. The antenna is > a half wave dipole on 500 KHz about 20 feet above the ground in a > N/S and E/W configuration. one leg > is N/S and the other is N/S. > > I am listening on a ICOM 756PROII and a HyGain Hytower. > > 73 > > Jim > > WD2XSH/35 K0HW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: 1/2 wave 500 > > > Hi > Has anyone in the USA tried a 1/2 wave dipole on 500 K/cs? inv V > design, at a modest height around > 100 ft. > de mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC063-a9754b44f5732a0; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:41:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CD2E3800004D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NScfn-0008Cg-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NScfn-0008CX-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NScfl-0001tf-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:40:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 27192 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2010 20:39:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=MMAFp92e30Ak4CVSqq74IxVXIc3PRoYfabFitaBm0HdAlxIAWWg7g/9clsLI0Jty5HHe6hUAh40+6QG3BY9SHlo5yFDdxR5rx4ZOQO2ZlBX3+MCUeIXOMdap8zZ1PEcDV7Fx0Z2Sobks9iHecJDiTuHxMOar5/LWjdsc7eY6AZQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2010 20:39:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: .IPuCksVM1lnJMCaRwbn023ibxc4hn4BrnFTgGTpJhK1qN0sgV.p1bA8Ee8uSZGBP3eiWfI0s7PB4c3eWVLAHwFSCQTKmlgYhH6pW8IoaXQuwBL0SH2rEemn8MCk2Cj7st9ddNBj.nw6jrjt_4Y2xa4bpM76oqtCswg9MNFnfGhli4N0dXskZ9ZqyflhuEFrwESeGLQHWdpMirbErUcy1n2IJ45AMwICrNMM8AZ_x2SSVaDSIhL_iOs6OleH3RU0jRloRmB6WS1FD8DnDg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <69220E74C108432AA382DEF83E2F7F8C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002001ca8ef3$bb1f7ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003001ca8f04$18ced610$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:39:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b44f5712157 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, Gary, LF Group, Sometimes hearing barely audible CW that I think is repeating the "12th test" message on 500.544kHz at around 2025utc here - but no callsign or other info as far as I can tell. What makes you think the location is Yemen? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: JABIL EL HAH IS Am I the only station in EU hearing this beacon now sending 12TH TEST on 500 G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.25]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-86204b5b734633f; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 38970380000A6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYo89-0000rW-RB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYo89-0000rN-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYo88-0006Dn-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:57 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DB51C001 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D797731E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 4ADE718056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123230642.5qgacajt6o04g04s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:06:42 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <004601ca9c46$6ef58b70$0217aac0@desktop> <1f0624b91001230856l62764f1cre510f71bd30d571b@mail.gmail.com> <20100123214413.ecsvgz9en4c080og@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b91001231330x4a161aa6o583cc7e0e72589e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194b5b7345263a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, I copy all your transmissions starting 21:36 till nox except for the 21:52 one (that didn't give the slightest sync, so maybe you skipped that one ?) Most sync values are 18-23 the SNR (dB) -2 to -8. No trance of Jim (NKS), sorry. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Thank you. > > I took a break to Rx JT65A on 80m, back on 500 now with CQ's. > > BTW, nice reply to Mal. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT > > > 2010/1/23 Rik Strobbe > > > Gary, > > a series of good copies of your CQ between 19:44 and 20:08 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b4383bf71; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:24:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D21E38000532; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE3A-0004Dk-SQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSE3A-0004Db-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSE37-0007Up-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMEANwRQ0tZ8qiZ/2dsb2JhbACNRgbGOoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,507,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="261606055" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.168.153]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jan 2010 18:22:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca8e33$fb097de0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1569989546@web.de> <007501ca8d6e$86e3de80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001050941v40248a15o4e08eb8f77b074f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:22:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604b4383bd22f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anything slower than QRS 3 leads to problems in QSB, some of the dashe= s break up and we get gibberish QRS10 is about the limit. Some use QRS 120 and 240 ie take 240 sec dot that is 4 minute dot and= 12minute dash, this is a long time and when QSB hits the whole dot/da= sh train gets chopped and appears as irregular traces and garbled, thi= s leads to guesswork by the RX station, especially when someone has in= dicated a frequency that they will use. It has all been discussed in the past so the above information is a co= nsensus of opinion by experienced LF/MF operators. also, QRS is a real time mode with immediate exchange of information= between two or more stations and Attended by operators at each end. I hope you are satisfied by this observation G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns Mal, So you've no strong views on slow QRS modes. That's good..=20 73s Roger 2010/1/4 mal hamilton Chris QRS 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 12= 0, 240 and 480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF when QSB hit= s the whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie gibberish Still some insist so what can one do ???????????????? I ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer= Mongolia !! G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > Hi Horst, > I don't agree. If a station is beaconing in QRSS3, time surely= is hardly a > problem. Why they can't send a full callsign , say, every fifth= time beats > me. Anyway, isn't the prefix of more interest to listeners who= may not be on > this site? > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns > > > Hello Chris, in standard CW this will be no problem. But in QRSS= 3, for > example, it sometimes just takes too long. While testing in QRSS= 3 or other > "slow" modes, I send CW ID for local operators. As the S/N ratio= is worse > not everyone who can read my QRSS3 is able to read my standard= CW. Thats > part of the game . . . > Horst > > .> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Chris" > > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13 > > An: "RSGB LF Group" > > Betreff: LF: Callsigns > > >I wish beaconing stations would send a full callsign, even ever= y so > > often, in the same mode as they are transmitting. I can undert= sand > > not doing so during a QSO once contact has been established (t= o save > > time). > > > > Chris, G4AYT. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anything slower than QRS 3 leads to= problems in=20 QSB, some of the dashes break up and we get gibberish QRS10 is about= the=20 limit.
Some use QRS 120 and 240 ie take= 240 sec dot=20 that is 4 minute dot and 12minute dash, this is a long time and when= QSB hits=20 the whole dot/dash train gets chopped and appears as irregular traces= and=20 garbled, this leads to guesswork by the RX station, especially when so= meone has=20 indicated a frequency that they will use.
It has all been discussed in the past= so the above=20 information is a consensus of opinion by experienced LF/MF=20 operators.
also, QRS is a real time mode with im= mediate=20 exchange of information between two or more stations and Attended by= operators=20 at each end.
I hope you are satisfied by this=20 observation
 
G3KEV
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 20= 10 5:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Callsigns

Mal,

So you've no strong views on slow QRS mod= es. That's=20 good..

73s
Roger

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <<= A href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
Chris<= BR>QRS=20 3 is manageable for a full call but when it gets to QRS 60, 120,= 240=20 and
480 it is pathetic and unnecessary because on LF/MF  w= hen=20  QSB hits the
whole dots/dashes are broken up and meaningless.ie= =20 gibberish
Still some insist so what can one do ????????????????=
I=20 ignore anything slower than QRS 10 even if it comes from outer Mon= golia=20 !!
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chr= is" <c.ashby435@= btinternet.com>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject:= Re: LF:=20 Callsigns


> Hi Horst,
> I don't agree. If a st= ation is=20 beaconing in QRSS3, time surely is hardly a
> problem. Why= they can't=20 send a full callsign , say, every fifth time beats
> me. Any= way, isn't=20 the prefix of more interest to listeners who may not be
on
&= gt; this=20 site?
> Chris, G4AYT.
> ----- Original Message ----->=20 From: "Horst St=F6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
>=20 To: <rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: LF:=20 Callsigns
>
>
> Hello Chris, in standard CW this= will be=20 no problem. But in QRSS3, for
> example, it sometimes just= takes too=20 long. While testing in QRSS3 or other
> "slow" modes, I send= CW ID for=20 local operators. As the S/N ratio is worse
> not everyone wh= o can read=20 my QRSS3 is able to read my standard CW. Thats
> part of the= game . .=20 .
> Horst
>
> .> -----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com>
>= ;=20 > Gesendet: 04.01.10 17:19:13
> > An: "RSGB LF Group"= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Betreff: LF: Callsigns
>
> >I wish beaconing= stations=20 would send a full callsign, even every so
> > often, in= the same=20 mode as they are transmitting. I can undertsand
> > not= doing so=20 during a QSO once contact has been established (to save
> &g= t;=20 time).
> >
> > Chris, G4AYT.
>
>
= >=20 ___________________________________________________________
>= ;=20 Preisknaller: WEB.DE= DSL Flatrate=20 f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!
> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/
= >
>
>




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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA8E33.FAC45E90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b4bb9b22e4; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:52:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 27E7638000193; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUU2T-0006tK-Hs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUU2T-0006tB-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUU2Q-0001yJ-Lo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:13 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0172000005E for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D803820000045 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B4BB96D.8060007@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:51:09 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20100111090709.EAAFE31E706@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0 into Alaska 600m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010303020608040601000708" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4b4bb9b04a1f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010303020608040601000708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy Talbot wrote: > All designs & ideas for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-) > I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible. > > Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope. There's an article in the > latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in > parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high > power per-se. Hi Andy, LF group Look at this: { sounds interesting...) http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mmic/reshpubindex/scott.html at the end of this www page there is a link to full publication Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ ps. HNY2010 to all A, B,.. (and "class E" ) operators.... :-) --------------010303020608040601000708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy Talbot wrote:
All=C2=A0designs & ideas=C2=A0for a 1kW+ Class E PA gratefully accepted :-)
I do have a 50V 25A PSU, so it 'might' even be feasible.
=C2=A0
Two big meaty FETs in parallel may cope.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 There's= an article in the latest QEX, just arrived, that appears to run class E stages in parallel - but its part of another concept, not targetted at high power per-se.
Hi Andy, LF group
Look at this:=C2=A0 {=C2=A0 sounds interesting...)
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mmic/reshpubindex/s= cott.html
at the end of this www page there is a link to full publication

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

ps. HNY2010 to all=C2=A0 A, B,..=C2=A0=C2=A0 (and "class E" )=C2=A0 operat= ors.... =C2=A0 :-)

--------------010303020608040601000708-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-99a4b4b69d735f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:11:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME016-99a4b4b69d735f; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:11:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOis-0004bf-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOis-0004bW-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOiq-0008GX-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:38 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so19005147fxm.30 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:10:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jNbyy33vgz/+LdAdrs3B9HJ0Qxc52qy1FmlnZTQdXZs=; b=OhuRbPqUcHm7TB1whm0SPUCbRrgAc6NxNwaf98ym4lG1QPRMkgpIUPzKs95OToS1pW YKYaUAuwOomEiHQYKVdw3DYTBm61O7h3cTtCoEyJASvrGxj/+/2kz3iEGnN0RGJ3C9GL h+eD9LnEwMv141NI4pwi9kZE2s3gPUMGnXefg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lwcNDYni/OUhAfvjuwGQBR61LD4q3asA2dwF642alliTrHBKC1CUQVHTN/0VaS+H8t wjhdh9cxUdKSlcmRGQ3jzX7HFF4BJl3i+XTKxeG+/ckXxGFFgiKQSylPcM7d3cMCkvtp C/4iEuo4u31HreM6MtrnRIHQhyD3DmdGXtRiY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.140 with SMTP id j12mr1757635hbi.70.1263233428842; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:10:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW S/N abilities Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m248.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In what bandwidth ? Andy www.g4jnt.com 2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker > have been quite spectacular. Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found > looking at the bouncing analogue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio > for aural copy was between 5 and 10 dB. > > --001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In what bandwidth ?
2010/1/11 Roelof Bakker <<= a href=3D"mailto:roelof@ndb.demon.nl">roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
have been quite spectacular.= Using a SPM-30 selective level meter, I found looking at the bouncing ana= logue meter that the minimum required S/N ratio for aural copy was between= 5 and 10 dB.

--001485f5af8ccb6930047ce773bc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-8bcd4b532b25ab; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:22:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6152F38000069; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWwF-00065E-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWWwF-000655-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:15 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWWwC-0007KO-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:14 +0000 Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Weza1d00A0mv7h052fM5t1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:05 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WfM51d00E2DDHkk3XfM5fL; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:21:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca9788$af54b0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: WE2XGR WSPR operation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04b532b2347b4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Several WE2XGR stations will be transmitting WSPR on dial 510.0 kHz USB. Some stations will begin this morning and some will continue through until tomorrow morning. Stations may be adjusting their power up and down and this will be reflected in the transmitted power column. Any and all reports, groundwave and skywave, are appreciated. We will not be having our usual 9 pm USB roundtable tonight and will continue on in WSPR mode instead. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9e04b50afaf2c5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:11:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME104-9e04b50afaf2c5; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqcI-0003j3-FN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVqcI-0003iu-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVqcG-0001W4-2B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:09:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAL4+UEtUDUU3/2dsb2JhbACIKNFfgjeBegQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,283,1262563200"; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik There is QSB on it so not local mal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier > Nor here, seems to be a local thing > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting James Moritz : > > > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > Nothing unusual visible/audible here... > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.150]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-869a4b659c131c7; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:04:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D872E38000177; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NbbKz-0008C3-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40964b659c1151a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Good capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2010/1/31 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 31-01.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-86a14b40b45a164; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:14:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 34638380085BD; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRS5N-0001jq-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:09:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRS5N-0001jh-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b40b3717135 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, Thanks to G3XIZ I am now QRV on 136.5. I will be sending CQ CQ CQ de G7NKS de G7NKS from 15.15z onwardsat around 5min intervals Thnx for any rports With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. 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------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01CA8C86.BD6E9E10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a854b426107393; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:43:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA085-a854b426107393; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuhE-0002EK-Gf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRuhE-0002EB-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRuhC-00015N-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D0498269 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <04c801ca8d85$687dc480$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500khz licence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Clemens, nice signal for such a short antenna, 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Clemens Paul Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 22:32 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500khz licence Good copy here,Victor. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500khz licence > Make that QRSS3 503.100 KHz > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens victor13@online.nl > Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 17:10 > Aan: blacksheep > Onderwerp: LF: 500khz licence > > > Hello all , > > I just received my permit for 500khz experiments from the VERON.9:00= z I will > try to be QRV at 502.6 khz with regular CW,pse QRS,my CW is very rus= ty > hi.Later this week I will try QRSS and WSPR. > Ant inv L 7.5m high,10m long with variometer.Antcurrent 3A > > 73 > > Victor > PA3FNY > JO22NC > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.725 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.124/2599 - Ausgabedatum: 01/= 04/10 09:24:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a934b483fb01dc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934b483fb01dc; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:34:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NTWky-000703-JJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NTWky-0006zu-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWkw-0002IV-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:12 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTWkw-0005dX-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:10 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTWkv-0000De-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:33:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <995989E45DCA41B299265B9BDD78E18B@JimPC> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:33:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: WSPR and Grabbet at GM4ISM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All Please accept my apologies for the lack of grabber and WSPR receiving system last night. The shack server crashed again (3rd time in 2 days) the screen just freezes, no BSOD or re-boot, so i have not noticed immediatly. I am investigating the problem, but so far no clues. I will probably start to look for a replacement machine, but it may take some time, as the server is fairly hardware intensive with 3 soundcards, and 4 serial ports, and performs a whole lot of other tasks. Anyone with an unused PCI 2 or 4 way serial port card in their junkbox ?? the present machine has 2 ports on the MOBO, that is getting to be rare. I will try to keep the present machine running in the mean time, but unless i can get it reliable, it may be out of service for some prolonged periods, as I am often away from home for several days at a time. Regards Mark GM4ISM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.204]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB014-86954b54a42715f; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B5A5380000BA; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NWw2Z-00055x-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NWw2Z-00055o-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NWw2X-00027e-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F5F2000004E for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0DB222000004B for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B54A3D3.6040408@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:23 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 137khz X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF/MF into space??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4b54a4254cc1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF group, I know, it is rather outside of a regular LF/MF issues, however i thought it would be interesting to some readers... Recently, i got an info about Tubesat Satellite Kit: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm { please, read also the pdf file for more details, especially about hardware and software already included in this Kit } Ok, due to its price ( 8.000 US$) - for me, it is simply a sort of "entertainment" being amateur radio related, however, i can imagine a construction of uplink/downlink setup onboard a satellite including miniwhip antenna for RX'ing of LF/MF signals and sending them back to earth on 70 cm band ( one could chase his/her own signal playing with Doppler etc.. or simply make a qso...) Of course, the above price covers rocket launch . 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s. i just thought i could throw-in a 'penny' , say, 100 $ so adding other 79 members ( i mean , their penny) of this group and we may have our "LF/MF toy" in space :) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.148]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5ee44b614a5819b; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:27:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA6F380000B2; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPhP-0001RC-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaPhP-0001R3-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaPhN-0003iK-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4B5C66860008FF52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B614A11.6020509@telia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:25:53 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0624b91001271133g22391461tfa8dc9a87c8f14d4@mail.gmail.com> <1f0624b91001271303v1eb7094bp659dba8418585e81@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz JT4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60944b614a5663ac X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, such a doubler will work but the flip-flop is not a guarantee for a perfect 50/50 square wave in this case. The flip-flop will be clocked by both edges of *one* of the XOR input signals, which one depends on the clock polarity (rising or falling edge) at the flip-flop input so the flip-flop output will have the same duty cycle as one of the XOR input signals. The traditional C.T. transformer will work equally well (or bad). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Andy Talbot wrote: > I was looking at driving push-pull transmitters from fundamental drive > signals quite recently. > > How about a frequency doubler? The output doesn't have to have 1:1 > mark-space ratio as it only clocks a flip-flop. And simple doubler can > consists of a delay line (CR network with around 0.5us time constant) > followed by a squarer to give a resulting waveform shifted in phase from > the 500kHz drive signal. Then apply this one, along with the original > to a two input XOR gate whose output will then consists of a 1MHz train > suitable for dividing by 2 for a perfect 1:1 squarewave drive. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a664b424944121; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:02:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b424944121; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:02:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRt6h-0001Oy-TN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRt6h-0001Op-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRt6f-0004di-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:00:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 93474 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Ms9FSxuBA4WFBNgYsBceZsIDxZ4u2yG+r0RHSXXtv4IVPcgEI2uv9lOE7VU4E5UVhfiVBptREO+q1Wgdkz0YJFOy8wRahf6q8h/WjLegPBP48PGu+nQpjWkm8O6JrQP9z+yAQ7aQWk9JN8blqRwMfccAyWEHnnRkJgbN2Yh2A6Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@217.42.145.251 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: XtnzC8AVM1kjGEPN1s1mi2a4seYK3R8u_G2YMpyak0nqalwqwqOZKkyiaLy3_qm4S0xCDC4rN9cWrhY4cY17qe4QEeOvwtBBuCRr3qPRdLoXAHVMSp_oqwzJDgpUSap.3lZ6xHG8wYyAWLUKv8bXiAXK6c2oT1ddC47fW.wbe0efo0lH7DhvX6rJrOSTMWQuFISfWSvRDxHsMEdB0f8tx5uHLni3Cbu4GNi_kpCvM8sv4Da5rw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4B217277543543E5ADE6606204D1CDBB@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <76CBD5EABC614F83846BA8DB4BB0076F@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:00:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Who? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station is still sending WX, anybody know who? Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: LF: Who? Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60, please? 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Station is still sending WX, anybody= know=20 who?
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 6:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: Who?

Who just sent WX on136.31885 QRSS60= ,=20 please?
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CA8D78.988CB2B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-a7a34b439c60f9; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:09:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 474233800009F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFhP-0004pu-VD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NSFhP-0004pl-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NSFhM-0003GT-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:08:15 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so10740078pwj.4 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iutbu5/DkqKrpcLkyq66GqI/aAQl6fSeLihCx6MbxC4=; b=JpnxPND38ddoegVNuiqZ6PaqfnD1TgLTg7VSHDlM2spPtMJPZ3JU50J+fOaXc/k7M+ rdiqm52WyKSvLG/tIaVqHn8rKEXwNLnXqbY20M0ZuLmFa5Eecc9DDT0KeaGSJx+sVDYy nI3s5GJ67wET/SbQPsM97iS8NFz1UpJWGoK7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=wrsOqNS6ClLT+dmTfAAbgteuLOJQHP+lK0tS8jUAAugDXQ77qXAUGYFcZsTuNG1znQ X01yZ3I4bbmBRWWFp8xE6jzHHVCDvePtBbcywaqiao5QcaqFAxHc3fNlcCtCsF9IjCVn GmE/KkSRLVMeihI56HhF4iwp6q7tGFZRLg3ug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.12.6 with SMTP id p6mr16798334rvi.31.1262722085599; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:08:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 88c1944f5664b9ae Message-ID: <1f0624b91001051208k35f88779i62a1f7b392114282@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500khz stange signals follow up Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b439c5e07ac X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again, Just noticed the signals span a 2 minute period, could be some ones WSPR gone wrong. Gary - G4WGT --000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again,

Just noticed the signals span a 2 minute period, could be some ones WSPR gone wrong.

Gary - G4WGT
--000e0cd109525cb89c047c706525-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.129]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI043-eac44b63873c4a; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4184038000074; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1qV-0000qO-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nb1qU-0000qF-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:54 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nb1qR-0005Io-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:54 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0U19hUQ027939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:39:44 -0330 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:39:43 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: blacksheep In-Reply-To: <7A228BBDDCF24DF99C416AEE63062375@ns94d01ae4d850> Message-ID: References: <7A228BBDDCF24DF99C416AEE63062375@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: blVX9MRC 29-01.jpg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814b63873b5cfe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Henny, Group. Thank-you for the report. The beacon now sends a 10 second carrier after each ID as of 0100 30 Jan. 73 Joe VO1NA On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, henny van elst wrote: > Hi Joe,LF > Capture mrc > henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > VX9MRC 29-01.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.90]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-a3844b6020f8ac; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:18:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 151803800009D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5rt-0002Wa-TR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Na5rt-0002WR-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.227]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Na5rn-0000oU-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:29 +0000 Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ab951d0021ei1Bg5CbF2o4; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id abFe1d0062DDHkk3kbFeet; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:15:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001901ca9f41$f7b90970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <013901ca9ee3$72a8f280$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4b6020eb345e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham Your +20 dBm is the weakest signal I've received from EU so far. And, there was room to spare with the two spots at -24 and -22 SNR. Congratulations on getting that 100 mW signal across the pond! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: G0NBD in CT > Thank for the report Jay , > > I was wondering where the signal was going to night , quite a difficult cw qso with Rik on7t > early on ... rf was going the other way hi > > 73 - G .. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:58 PM > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" > Subject: LF: G0NBD in CT > >> >> Don't recall G0NBD making it into CT previously... >> 2010-01-26 23:10 G0NBD 0.503900 -24 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 2010-01-26 >> 23:04 G0NBD 0.503900 -22 0 IO83lk +20 0.100 W1VD FN31is 5198 3230 >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b42205a14; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:07:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 43B8838011357; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRptQ-0000UF-Jf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRptQ-0000U6-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRptO-0007e1-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:34:56 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwEAL6nQUtZ8VGm/2dsb2JhbACNQAaOXLgfhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,499,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="395368232" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.81.166]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 16:34:48 +0000 Message-ID: <005901ca8d5b$d48421d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:34:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: DUTCH ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4b4218ed1570 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to hear DUTCH acty on 500 kcs. Just worked PE5T his first QSO,= already worked PA0A at midnight 1 - 1 - 2010 Lovely to hear good traditional CW Wireless Operators pounding the KEY= - its Magical de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great to hear DUTCH acty on 500 kcs.= Just worked=20 PE5T his first QSO,  already worked PA0A at midnight 1 - 1 -=20 2010
Lovely to hear good traditional=20 CW Wireless Operators pounding the KEY - its Magical<= /DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA8D5B.D42BEFB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44b62d812d1; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B682D38000232; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NaqBW-00071s-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NaqBV-00071j-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt13p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.136]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NaqBS-0000CN-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.8]) by thsmsgxrt13p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D1360C60 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales (10.33.231.33) by thsmsgirt24p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9CC1007BB22F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.1]) by thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales with smtp id 50b7_1acc_c90b531c_0cd3_11df_bff3_0013725f4d82; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt11p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714B9598049 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:42:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b62d8101560 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572 Content-Type: text/plain Most of the G4FGQ softwares (Original, high-quality, radio engineering/modelling programs.Not freeware -- just free gifts -- ) are on http://www.zerobeat.net/G4FGQ/index.html#S102 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Question to the groundwave Hello Stefan, ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tricky thing. The assumption you made (+6dB TX power = double distance) takes only the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground would be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat. In reality you have 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and ground loss. The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less 1D behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the distance. The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage. It must be on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it I can send it to you. Just as an example the path loss this programme gives for 137kHz and an average ground: 250km = 55.1dB 500km = 65.3dB 750km = 74.7dB 1000km = 83.5dB 2000km = 115.4dB 3000km = 144.5dB 4000km = 172.2dB 5000km = 199.0dB As you can see doubling the distance "costs" far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story). I haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS. Beyond that you are far better of with sky waves. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Alan and LF, I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follows :-) The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but anyway. And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is present!? If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on LF? Tnx for enlightning answers... Stefan/DK7FC _____ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! Alan G3NYK ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA0E0.91333572 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Most of the G4FGQ softwares= (Original, high-quality,=20 radio engineering/modelling programs.Not freeware --= just=20 free gifts -- ) are on http://www.zerobeat.net/G4FGQ/index.html#S102
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
=
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik=20 Strobbe
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:22 AM
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Question to the= =20 groundwave

Hello Stefan,

ground waves (surfaces waves) are a tric= ky=20 thing.
The assumption you made (+6dB TX power =3D double distance) ta= kes only=20 the 2D spreading loss into account. This would be correct if the ground= would=20 be a perfect conductor and if the earth would be flat.
In reality you= have=20 2 additional losses: diffraction loss (due to the earth curve) and groun= d=20 loss.
The bad message is that these losses both have a more or less= 1D=20 behavior, and thus their attenuation is more or less linear to the=20 distance.
The late G4FGQ wrote a very good DOS application (named=20 GRNDWAVE3) where you can put in a lot of parameters (distance, antenna= =20 efficiency, frequency, ground type, TX power) and it gives you the path= =20 attenuation, field strength at RX end and RX antenna voltage.
It mus= t be=20 on the web on several places (google it), but in case you cannot find it= I can=20 send it to you.
Just as an example the path loss this programme = gives=20 for 137kHz and an average ground:
250km =3D 55.1dB
500km =3D 65.3d= B
750km=20 =3D 74.7dB
1000km =3D 83.5dB
2000km =3D 115.4dB
3000km =3D 144.= 5dB
4000km=20 =3D 172.2dB
5000km =3D 199.0dB
As you can see doubling the distanc= e "costs"=20 far more that 6dB (by surface wave, sky wave is a different story).
I= =20 haven't kept any records by I think that the surface wave limit for most= =20 amateur stations is 1000-1200km (on 137kHz), maybe a bit more in QRSS.= Beyond=20 that you are far better of with sky waves.

73, Rik  ON7YD -= =20 OR7T

At 02:51 29/01/2010, you wrote:
Hi Alan= and LF,=20
 
I know there are some of you who= can=20 easily answer my question that follows :-)
 
The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fields= trength E=20 is (about) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenn= a,=20 right?
So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum= =20 distance of 1000km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrou= nding=20 noise level, same average ground properties, same OP ;-)=20 )?.
 
I expect, that the groundwave= does not=20 immediately stop beyond this 2000km border but rather decreases with= 1/r,=20 just as before.
 
So, if we assume one is increasing= the=20 antenna current in the above example to 7A, is then a distance of 1400= 0km=20 possible? Sure, thats a very theoretical question since there will not= be=20 the same ground conductivity on the whole distance but=20 anyway.
 
And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) no= t=20 affected by the daytime, by the season and so on. There must be=20 interferences with the sky wave, so QSB, but this does not affect the= =20 groundwave at an other RX QTH, where no sky wave is=20 present!?
 
If there is so much sea water between a transat= lantic=20 distance, why is it so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF= or MF=20 it is clear but on LF?
 
Tnx for enlightning=20 answers...
 
Stefan/DK7FC
 
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org im=20 Auftrag von ALAN MELIA
Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51
A= n:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea= path ..=20 but this is getting silly

Ah this 500k st= uff is=20 too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again !

Alan=20 G3NYK
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2010/1/9= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Dead End mode
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW= =20 MODE.
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KKorn42@aol.com=20
<= b>Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
=A0
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
=A0
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
=A0
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb

Thanks Andy and= all interested in the group for the information.

 

Surely there is= nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I= have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009.

 

Results so far= have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 cont= ent.

 

My MEPT runs a= 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz= Group on the 28= th of November 2009. :-

 

“Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and som= e small font Hell which looks best
on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it shou= ld
not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns.”

 

I have run MEPT’= s on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy band= s without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complai= n about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen?

 

As I have mentioned be= fore, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There= is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more comple= x stuff and full Call Sign..

 

 

Eddie G3Z= JO IO92ng

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of A= ndy Talbot
Sent: 10 January 2010= 21:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Making compariso= ns between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, an= d it is only fair to compare like with like.

 

A WSPR transmiss= ion carries a callsign, a locator and a power level.  Approximately= 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around= 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM.  If= 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of = ;1 second.  So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR= with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use.  = ; The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB band= width improvement immediately.

 

So if, as I reca= ll someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability= , then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes= three times longer for the same message.  

 

Its rather more complicated in reality,  as this simple ccomparison assumes the= QRS signal is copied with zero errors.  As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error corr= ection

 

To compare data= modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz 

See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.ht= m where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes,= WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate.

 


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/10 Roger= Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= >

Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it perform= s.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical ran= ge limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB= for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see= what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/10 mal ha= milton <g3kevma= l@talktalk.net>

Had u been= on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do= not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.

I have bee= n making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or= QRS CW

Regardless= of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big anten= na Big signal and environment regarding noise.

RX loop an= tennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.

Get into= QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time.

 

G3KEV

 

----- Orig= inal Message -----

<= b>From: Roger Lapthorn

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR<= /span>

 

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim.= I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear ver= y weak signals than many others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James= Cowburn <jame= s.cowburn@virgin.net>

&nb= sp;Dear LF,

Has= anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As= it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/pow= er setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -3= 0dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculati= ng the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configurati= on?

Cle= arly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the rati= o between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or esti= mate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with= other known signals.

If= I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaini= ng  8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has th= e same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it= fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Tha= nks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great= 2010

With best regards

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Jim

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;




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2010/1/9= mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Dead End mode
The freq is swamped= by repeative data=20 from several stations that are strong enough to work in either QRS3 or CW= =20 MODE.
G3KEV
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KKorn42@aol.com=20
<= b>Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR LA3?

OK, Lee,
'cause you were asking re callsign I hopped on the wrong train.= =20 Sri!
=A0
It is an interesting question what /m-equipment is used.
=A0
Or are we lured into a dead end .....
=A0
73
de
Klaus
dj6lb

Thanks Andy and= all interested in the group for the information.

 

Surely there is= nothing like a practical experiment for proof of WSPR effectiveness against QRSS3 on 500KHz. I= have been running that experiment since the 17th of November 2009.

 

Results so far= have been, hundreds of WSPR reports from 7different stations and not one mention of the QRSS3 cont= ent.

 

My MEPT runs a= 100% Transmit cycle, hence once I got a reliably detectable signal out I posted this to the UK500KHz= Group on the 28= th of November 2009. :-

 

“Between the WSPR is QRSS Morse and som= e small font Hell which looks best
on Spectran QRSS3 Mode. This means it's a continuous TX sequence. I think at the bottom of the WSPR Window and with such low power it shou= ld
not cause any problems to any other stations. Please let me know if there are any concerns.”

 

I have run MEPT’= s on continuous transmit tests at the bottom the WSPR slot on other low occupancy band= s without any problems too. I always use QRPp. After all who is going to complai= n about the QRSS3 etc. content of the signal that has never been seen?

 

As I have mentioned be= fore, there has to be a challenge in there somewhere for the guys with big antennas. There= is a simple 2 letter ident in there in 2 QRSS3 modes as well as more comple= x stuff and full Call Sign..

 

 

Eddie G3Z= JO IO92ng

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of A= ndy Talbot
Sent: 10 January 2010= 21:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Link= budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR

 

Making compariso= ns between WSPR and QRSS should take into account the signalling rate, an= d it is only fair to compare like with like.

 

A WSPR transmiss= ion carries a callsign, a locator and a power level.  Approximately= 12 characters worth of data, or in Morse code terms around= 2.4 words which it sends in 2 minutes - hence about 1.2 WPM.  If= 12WPM beans 100ms dots, then this rate corresponds to a dot interval of = ;1 second.  So for a fair comparison, you must compare WSPR= with 1s QRS - which I believe is faster than most ops actually use.  = ; The version of Argo I have only goes down to 3s dots which infers 5dB band= width improvement immediately.

 

So if, as I reca= ll someone saying here, WSPR and 3s QRSS give similar decoding capability= , then that immediately suggests WSPR is 5dB 'up' on QRSS, or QRSS takes= three times longer for the same message.  

 

Its rather more complicated in reality,  as this simple ccomparison assumes the= QRS signal is copied with zero errors.  As it involves fuzzy logic and human interpretation, we can probably say it contributes the error corr= ection

 

To compare data= modes in noise, its best to use a normalised data rate expressed in Bits/second/Hz 

See http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.ht= m where I come up with an empirically determined estimate that the WSJT modes,= WSPR, JT4, etc give about 6dB enhancement in S/N vs. decoding than CW - when normalised for an equivalent signalling rate.

 


Andy
www.g4jnt.com

This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health an= d safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, bu= t may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions

2010/1/10 Roger= Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= >

Fair comment Mal, and one of these days I'll try QRS and see how it perform= s.

It should be possible to get a pretty good idea of the theoretical ran= ge limit for WSPR on 500kHz based on required S/N (which can be as low as -30dB= for WSPR), path loss calculations, ERP etc.. I shall be interested to see= what "the experts" say.

73s
Roger G3XBM


2010/1/10 mal ha= milton <g3kevma= l@talktalk.net>

Had u been= on QRS CW he probably would have copied u since he saw ur trace. I often see traces that do= not decode for some time but had the trace been keyed it could have been identified.

I have bee= n making this point for some time, avoid guesswork and speculation and use normal CW or= QRS CW

Regardless= of erp transmitted the weakness is often at the RX end Little antenna Little signal Big anten= na Big signal and environment regarding noise.

RX loop an= tennas not optimised towards ur stn, these situations cannot be calculated just guessed and meaningless.

Get into= QSO mode and see how far u can get in real time.

 

G3KEV

 

----- Orig= inal Message -----

<= b>From: Roger Lapthorn

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Link budget calculation or estimation of dist for given power on WSPR<= /span>

 

Certainly GM4SLV has a much lower noise floor than most stations on 500kHz Jim.= I think he estimated about 10dB lower, so it may be easier for him to hear ver= y weak signals than many others.

For what it's worth, my 1mW ERP has been received at -18dB S/N at 990k= ms range in S.Germany (and at around -23dB a few times), so assuming another 10= -12dB in hand, that must be good for another skywave "hop" under favo= urable conditions. I am still hopeful that TF3HZ might just spot me on a good= night. The magic 1000kms barrier is tantalisingly close. RN3AGC says he might= just have seen a "whisper" of a trace from me the other night and= he is 2400kms away, but if it was me it was far too weak to decode.

It will be interesting to see what people say is possible based on the propagation theory etc.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/1/10 James= Cowburn <jame= s.cowburn@virgin.net>

&nb= sp;Dear LF,

Has= anyone any ideas or suggestions on a resource for calculation of a link budget fo= r WSPR over a set distance?

As= it seems I can get up to GM4SLV reasonably consistently on my current antenna/pow= er setting with a SNR of around -22dB and the limit for WSPR is around -3= 0dB then is there a means for roughly estimating or indeed accurately calculati= ng the Expected Max Range (EMR) at that power setting and antenna configurati= on?

Cle= arly, there are differences between separate Rx stations but if one knows the rati= o between two or more Rx stations then it should be possible to pro-rate or esti= mate at least the signal strength at a given Rx based on its performance with= other known signals.

If= I can do 916km with an SNR of say -22dB then how much further would the remaini= ng  8dB or so of WSPR detection get me, assuming the other Rx has th= e same capability as GM4SLV and if their capability is different, then is it= fine to factor for the dB difference over known paths/signals?

Tha= nks in advance for any answers or pointers and best wishes to all for a great= 2010

With best regards

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Jim

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;




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http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
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